Wow Gukesh was really putting it on Pragg I’m a big Gukesh fan that was unfortunate he must’ve spaced it out I’m sure he regretted that mistake at the end spoiling a great attack
I never knew of that repetition by position rule. I always thought repetition was an exact sequence of moves. What a disaster, many other players would have already resigned in Prag's position.
Actually in order to reach the same position 3 times, it must be made possible by repeating the same moves right? So I still don't understand the position can be reached without repeating the moves. If that is the case, there will be a break in 3 consecutive repeats. Can someone explain
@@silverpassion3588no, position does not have to be repeated consecutively. It could be sometimes back in the game, there could be gaps between three instances
The rule is a bit more complicated: Positions are considered the same if(1) the same player has the move,(2) pieces of the same kind and color occupy the same squares, and(3) the possible moves of all the pieces are the same.
This means it is not a draw if two times it was White to move and the third time it is Black. Or if the first two times casteling was possible and the third time not because the king has moved. These exact rules are often overlooked.
Pragg’s undefeated streak not the winning streak. These are completely different. Great job by the way! Started playing chess after years only because of your channel.
@@imilic8I‘d prefer a „Queen‘s Gambit“-like mini-series with the build up to this moment. Pragg‘s perspective vs. Gukesh‘ one. Two young Indians going for it all. With a to be continued. While writing, rather a big ass series than a mini-series.
Praggnanandhah always wins even if he doesn't. I think gukesh had no forced mate and with little time he focused too much on the finish which wasnt so clear which allowed for a draw like this to happen especially with time running low. Its war on the board every time with these guys.
There was no draw, Gukesh just made a mistaken under-time pressure. We all know Gukesh is a better player currently but Pragg is hard to beat always and he is very resourceful especially in an endgame so you don’t want to rush things against him
@@cmc2110That was not good spacing that Rep out Gukesh had such a great set up for attack he probably would’ve gone on to win even Agadmator explained the advantage Gukesh had at that point
No, Prag was lucky cuz the game was done, all Gukesh had to do was make any move other than the repetition and he would've entered time control with that being the 40th move. Then he'd have an additional 50 mins and the position is easy to calculate with that much time.
For anyone wondering. Threefold repetition is "Screenshot" repetition. If you see the exact screenshot 3 times then the game is draw. It doesnt matter what moves inbetween. It doesnt matter if its repeated at move 40-41-42 or 40-47-57. This is very common in end game
It seems a bit weird, but when I look at it, it looks quite obvious? The bishop was only on two squares and the queen also. Additionally, there was no position in between this..
@@monolithhcr2980Positions are considered the same if (1) the same player has the move, (2) pieces of the same kind and color occupy the same squares, and (3) the possible moves of all the pieces are the same. Under (3) above, positions are not considered to be the same if: (a) in the first position, a pawn could have been captured en passant (by the en passant rule, in the subsequent positions, the pawn cannot be captured en passant anymore), or (b) either player has lost a right to castle, i.e. either king or one of the rooks has been moved, in between repetitions of the position. This is from Wikipedia. So, no if the pieces have different move set available to them, it's not considered a draw.
Непомнящий is the only correct way. Not sure why they write it Nepomniachtchi in latin alphabet, since it is pronounced more like Niepoh-mniashi in real. I mean technically Щ is sh-ch (like in Polish ("szcz") so not sure how they came up with "Nepomniachtchi".
it happens quite often actually in pawnless endgames like Q vs R ( happened in Karjakin vs Carlsen game, but Carlsen did not stop the clock, he probably was not sure about it and lost ), R+B vs R endgames etc. It does not have to be 3 times in a row, but when same position repeats after 46th move, after 53rd move and after 59th move, you can claim the draw. In classical you can check from scoresheet, but in rapid / blitz you just have to rely on your memory to stop the clock and call arbiter ( assuming you have DGT boards and arbiter computer recorded moves )
Somehow gukesh is a very tough opponent for pragg. Gukesh always gets an advantage in each of their classical games. Even the one game where pragg won was actually winning for gukesh.
I knew the rule was threefold repetition of a position, not of moves, but they _also_ repeated moves and there were no other positions in between, so what I don't understand is how this was confusing for people or how it differs form anyone's idea of any other threefold repetition.
After only a week of watching this channel my elo are going up and im winning like 15 game in a row, the deep analysis you give to each move is just great, thanks and keep going. ❤️🇮🇶
Al fin el tiempo es determinante, demasiadas largas las partidas y en ajedrez el tiempo es un factor más que se estaba.perdiendo. Si quiero ver partidas perfectas miro a las pc jugar
He calculated well and almost in a losing position. If he expects to escape this way then there is bleak hope for me to match Gukesh. Gukesh is one year younger than Pragg and he started 4 years later than Pragg with playing chess. Overall, Gukesh is a genius here.
Life is a zero sum game... Gukesh got lucky against Max Warmerdam few days back where he won a dead drawn game due to a silly blunder by Max. Today it was just the opposite against Pragg where Gukesh ended with just a draw in a completely winning position.
Trivia question: have there been any fivefold repetitions in master-level play? (Threefold requires the player making the claim to call the arbiter. Fivefold can be imposed by the arbiter with no player claim.)
Yes, Gukesh miscounted the repetition. His intention was to just repeat twice to reach time control. Hence, he was surprised when Pragg called the arbiter.
I often wonder what chess would have been like without Magnus. If he didn't exist. Why. Because when I listened to interviews, when his opponents played again him, they aimed for a draw. When Magnus is not participating in a tournament, others go all in. Crazy lines, no draws,... So on one hand, we can admire Magnus, but on the other hand, his opponents are playing crazy, interesting chess if he's not playing in the same tournament.
I always like watching Gukesh's games because he plays normal openings that I, amateur, would play, and not some crazy elite-GM-level shit that is all theory until move 35.
I think one of the parts confusing is the word "repeat". When I say I repeat it means 2 times, so repeat 3 times it means 4 times. The proper wording is "the position occurred 3 times" the use of the word "occurred" instead of "repeated" will make much more sense.
on one hand it's a huge mistake from gukesh side, but on the other hand Prag with very little time and much worse position spotting it,shows how concentrated Prag is while playing. When indian players play each other it's very difficult to pick a winner.
It’s so sad for Gukesh he had to uphill battle, he delivered a winking position and then was beaten by time. Here it goes his chance to win the Tata before his 18 birthday. On the other hand Prag keeps his great performance.
took me 2-3 minutes after having my sani (sandwich) and enjoying a choc chip croissant. Sani recipe will remain undisclosed yet I feel too many secrets never helped anyone and so I will admit one ingredient Branson's Pickles. Lets see how the game ended up now.... Sad, I feel sad, for the queens of old: the rooks, i don't think i have seen the rooks happier in a game, for a long time. Still he did once, he can and will do it again. Thomas Crown award for Gukesh. Pragg the Slippery title for Pragg although he really gets the Kipling award too as in "If you can keep your head..." Can't watch anymore, still sad. ... Ok, so many hours later, still sad but able to watch the rest. Well done Alireza, then again Nepo is everyone's favorite to beat as Nepo finds most of today's high end players boring. I would even wager on Alirezas move that drew Nepos contempt, but I think that's enough for one day. PS: whatever you doing Lana, keep on doing it
Funny when Gukesh made the blunder of all blunders, the live engine only gave it one question mark.
0:53 "going for some sort of an Indian defense" lol. I know what he means but it's still funny in the context of the two players.
Gukesh got to be one of the most exciting young player, always willing to take the risk playing dubious lines to go for the win
Pragg is a really good player but I'm pretty sure Dubov will crush him easily
😂
He gets wins out of lines that look unwinnable. Future world champion
@@GeraldM_inNCguess what
@@GeraldM_inNCwell he's a world challenger now. He has a legit shot at being the world champion
Wow Gukesh was really putting it on Pragg I’m a big Gukesh fan that was unfortunate he must’ve spaced it out I’m sure he regretted that mistake at the end spoiling a great attack
I never knew of that repetition by position rule. I always thought repetition was an exact sequence of moves. What a disaster, many other players would have already resigned in Prag's position.
I have drawn a lot of winning blitz game like this
For few times I was confused
So I did little research and found out about this rule 🤧
Actually in order to reach the same position 3 times, it must be made possible by repeating the same moves right? So I still don't understand the position can be reached without repeating the moves. If that is the case, there will be a break in 3 consecutive repeats. Can someone explain
@@silverpassion3588no, position does not have to be repeated consecutively. It could be sometimes back in the game, there could be gaps between three instances
The rule is a bit more complicated:
Positions are considered the same if(1) the same player has the move,(2) pieces of the same kind and color occupy the same squares, and(3) the possible moves of all the pieces are the same.
This means it is not a draw if two times it was White to move and the third time it is Black. Or if the first two times casteling was possible and the third time not because the king has moved.
These exact rules are often overlooked.
THE HEARTBREAK!!!!
Pragg’s undefeated streak not the winning streak. These are completely different. Great job by the way! Started playing chess after years only because of your channel.
He is losing it tomorrow though
You can literally make a movie out of this.
a Bollywood comedy 😅
@@imilic8I‘d prefer a „Queen‘s Gambit“-like mini-series with the build up to this moment. Pragg‘s perspective vs. Gukesh‘ one.
Two young Indians going for it all. With a to be continued.
While writing, rather a big ass series than a mini-series.
Praggnanandhah always wins even if he doesn't. I think gukesh had no forced mate and with little time he focused too much on the finish which wasnt so clear which allowed for a draw like this to happen especially with time running low. Its war on the board every time with these guys.
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There was no draw, Gukesh just made a mistaken under-time pressure. We all know Gukesh is a better player currently but Pragg is hard to beat always and he is very resourceful especially in an endgame so you don’t want to rush things against him
@@varaprasad2340🤞👌
@@cmc2110That was not good spacing that Rep out Gukesh had such a great set up for attack he probably would’ve gone on to win even Agadmator explained the advantage Gukesh had at that point
No, Prag was lucky cuz the game was done, all Gukesh had to do was make any move other than the repetition and he would've entered time control with that being the 40th move. Then he'd have an additional 50 mins and the position is easy to calculate with that much time.
This was one of the most heartbreaking things I ever witnessed live! Really feel for Gukesh
For anyone wondering. Threefold repetition is "Screenshot" repetition. If you see the exact screenshot 3 times then the game is draw.
It doesnt matter what moves inbetween. It doesnt matter if its repeated at move 40-41-42 or 40-47-57. This is very common in end game
What about the same position with/without castling rights or en passant?
It seems a bit weird, but when I look at it, it looks quite obvious? The bishop was only on two squares and the queen also. Additionally, there was no position in between this..
@@monolithhcr2980Positions are considered the same if
(1) the same player has the move,
(2) pieces of the same kind and color occupy the same squares, and
(3) the possible moves of all the pieces are the same.
Under (3) above, positions are not considered to be the same if:
(a) in the first position, a pawn could have been captured en passant (by the en passant rule, in the subsequent positions, the pawn cannot be captured en passant anymore), or
(b) either player has lost a right to castle, i.e. either king or one of the rooks has been moved, in between repetitions of the position.
This is from Wikipedia. So, no if the pieces have different move set available to them, it's not considered a draw.
So technically if the knights or rooks are swapped it is still the same position. Quite interesting.
It does matter what moves are in between because castling rights need to be the same in all positions.
Man the game just finished an hour ago. 😂 Agad is really like flash.
11:35 Alireza vs Nepo ( didn’t write the rest of the Mniachchi because I don’t know how to write it correctly sorry 🤦)
Непомнящий is the only correct way. Not sure why they write it Nepomniachtchi in latin alphabet, since it is pronounced more like Niepoh-mniashi in real. I mean technically Щ is sh-ch (like in Polish ("szcz") so not sure how they came up with "Nepomniachtchi".
it happens quite often actually in pawnless endgames like Q vs R ( happened in Karjakin vs Carlsen game, but Carlsen did not stop the clock, he probably was not sure about it and lost ), R+B vs R endgames etc.
It does not have to be 3 times in a row, but when same position repeats after 46th move, after 53rd move and after 59th move, you can claim the draw. In classical you can check from scoresheet, but in rapid / blitz you just have to rely on your memory to stop the clock and call arbiter ( assuming you have DGT boards and arbiter computer recorded moves )
Somehow gukesh is a very tough opponent for pragg. Gukesh always gets an advantage in each of their classical games. Even the one game where pragg won was actually winning for gukesh.
Does Magnus have such opponents among the top?
Thanks for covering all these matches. Have been a great 2 weeks.
Agadmator: It doesnt matter what you capture it with.
Also Agadmator: Well it does matter what you capture it with.
Probably one of the most exciting tourneys you have covered.
Thank you brother for explaining the 3 fold repetition properly and most of all The best wife competition is back again.
I honestly never thought of a repetition of an overall position. Thats gnarly 😂
I knew the rule was threefold repetition of a position, not of moves, but they _also_ repeated moves and there were no other positions in between, so what I don't understand is how this was confusing for people or how it differs form anyone's idea of any other threefold repetition.
Repetition of moves is just a special case of repetition of position.
#suggestion World Rapid 2023, Nihal Sarin against Vladimir Fedoseev. Amazing Queen blunder after 156 moves!
But still kudos to Gukesh though man lost 2 games early on and is still on 🔥
Would like to see a match between Gukesh and Alireza in the future maybe 5 years from now
#suggestion Ju Wenjun vs Wei Yi
#suggestion "slayer slayed" Vidit vs Nodirbek
@Antonio #suggestion Shouldn't you have shown the timings here as it was critical to how the game played out? Thanks.
After only a week of watching this channel my elo are going up and im winning like 15 game in a row, the deep analysis you give to each move is just great, thanks and keep going. ❤️🇮🇶
Jeepers, I didn't see that coming at all.
Al fin el tiempo es determinante, demasiadas largas las partidas y en ajedrez el tiempo es un factor más que se estaba.perdiendo. Si quiero ver partidas perfectas miro a las pc jugar
#suggestion vidit vs Parham
You didn't show how Gukesh could win the end game 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
I was waiting for this
Indians are rooting for both so it's very hard to accept one to win.
Interesting because they are even both from Chennai. They probably both speak the same language even
I’m not Indian but I’m more of a Gukesh fan Pragg is great as well
@@RoyArrowood thats not only it. There r even from the same school too😂
Prag plays smart mind game even if he is loosing
There was no mind game, pragg is luckiest of all that's it. He is incredible player but definitely lucky than Gukesh.
What's the mind game here? He was almost drilled by Gukesh. He was just lucky.
@@backslash8874 The way he calculated position just before reaching time control move is quick and spontaneous.
He calculated well and almost in a losing position. If he expects to escape this way then there is bleak hope for me to match Gukesh. Gukesh is one year younger than Pragg and he started 4 years later than Pragg with playing chess. Overall, Gukesh is a genius here.
@@Rareme530 I agree 💯
Life is a zero sum game... Gukesh got lucky against Max Warmerdam few days back where he won a dead drawn game due to a silly blunder by Max. Today it was just the opposite against Pragg where Gukesh ended with just a draw in a completely winning position.
Everyone gets lucky against warmerdam lol
Then nodirbek,Parham ,anish , wei yei all are lucky
Warmerdam out here boosting everyone's luck
Max outhere maximizing everyone luck at this point
#suggestion ...... Of course, Nepo vs Alireza..
This is among the top ten blunders I have ever seen in professional chess!
#suggestion Vidit vs Nodirbek is a brlliant grind.
Trivia question: have there been any fivefold repetitions in master-level play? (Threefold requires the player making the claim to call the arbiter. Fivefold can be imposed by the arbiter with no player claim.)
"Time speak for itself"
Should be awarded as blunder of the tournament.
This is MADNESS
Yes, Gukesh miscounted the repetition. His intention was to just repeat twice to reach time control. Hence, he was surprised when Pragg called the arbiter.
What would have happened if Gukesh played Bxh6 (8:50) and keep Prag's king under a discoverable check!
6:15 couldnt u just start sacrificing on h6 as white?
I often wonder what chess would have been like without Magnus. If he didn't exist. Why. Because when I listened to interviews, when his opponents played again him, they aimed for a draw. When Magnus is not participating in a tournament, others go all in. Crazy lines, no draws,... So on one hand, we can admire Magnus, but on the other hand, his opponents are playing crazy, interesting chess if he's not playing in the same tournament.
Thanks for sharing 👂
Prag's undefeated streak instead of wining streak.
Yeah he is not magnus to claim such a streak. Nobody is magnus.
@@paperclips1306 I know it is just agadmator said wining streak
I just can't believe!!!
Bro Chess can be so Damn exciting it’s really Crazy
The player you wanna be and the player you are is only separated by discipline.(stockfish)
The way the videos start with trailer commentary
The opening made it confusing for Ian how to attack. He did attack, but. Alireza, Wow
5:23 why not bishop takes pawn?
I always like watching Gukesh's games because he plays normal openings that I, amateur, would play, and not some crazy elite-GM-level shit that is all theory until move 35.
Gukesh has played like a beast throughout the tournament.
I think one of the parts confusing is the word "repeat". When I say I repeat it means 2 times, so repeat 3 times it means 4 times. The proper wording is "the position occurred 3 times" the use of the word "occurred" instead of "repeated" will make much more sense.
Nc3! Love it!
This is a good illustration of why you don’t resign so soon.
Could you make a video about Vidit's game in round 12
Not being able to count to three when under pressure is anew sort of blunder.
I am relieved to see that also a super GM will sometimes blunder a draw in a completely won position. It´s not just me^^
Pragg's streak got an asterisks now
man this position repitition stuff really confuses me. would never see such a thing in one of my games lol
Can you add eval bar to your videos?
Is there any footage of this happening live? If so where can I watch it?
Thanks in advance!
Chess24 has the livestream video
Both players are Indian and play the Indian defense. Seems suspicious. It's like if magnus played the Norwegian defense.
position repeated itself not that moves were repeated = you‘ll enjoy déjà vu 2x times. Incredible calculation with less than 3minutes clock time.
My man Flash
Hey agad! Is it really pragg rated 2769?
2769 is also the rating for Nepo, so I think it's a mistake.
Can you please show Alireza vs Ian game..thanks
Sure
Pragg's rating is a typo
Pragg's rating is 2743.. isn't it?
It should be higher than that, he is currently the highest rated Indian player. Vidit however is around 2743
What should have Gukesh played instead? ????
Antonio spelt it out in the video. Literally any other move.
Anything, and then think after move 40 with new time given
Gukesh still is one of the most talented players he already have once reached 2758 , he is still young and will improve at some time
on one hand it's a huge mistake from gukesh side, but on the other hand Prag with very little time and much worse position spotting it,shows how concentrated Prag is while playing.
When indian players play each other it's very difficult to pick a winner.
He did not just spot it from nowhere. He was sitting at the edge after two repetitions hoping for bishop move.
#Suggestion vidit vs perham
How much is prags undefeated streak?
#suggestion Anish Giri vs Magnus Carlsen 2011 Tata Steel
😢 very u fortunate game gukesh gave all he had
I’ve done that while I had a winning position. It sucks!
#suggestion vidit vs nodirbek
Prag is 2769 rated?
What a big mistake to go for safety.
Hello everyone
Very lean comment...
Funny how many people play chess without knowing the rules, despite how easy they are (I'm not talking about Gukesh).
Yeah!!
The crazy things is that prag is older than gukesh
Prag is 2969? That is top 5 territory if I am not wrong.
It’s so sad for Gukesh he had to uphill battle, he delivered a winking position and then was beaten by time. Here it goes his chance to win the Tata before his 18 birthday. On the other hand Prag keeps his great performance.
Why is Nepo called Ian here? I thought of some other new player
took me 2-3 minutes after having my sani (sandwich) and enjoying a choc chip croissant. Sani recipe will remain undisclosed yet I feel too many secrets never helped anyone and so I will admit one ingredient Branson's Pickles. Lets see how the game ended up now....
Sad, I feel sad, for the queens of old: the rooks, i don't think i have seen the rooks happier in a game, for a long time. Still he did once, he can and will do it again. Thomas Crown award for Gukesh. Pragg the Slippery title for Pragg although he really gets the Kipling award too as in "If you can keep your head..."
Can't watch anymore, still sad.
...
Ok, so many hours later, still sad but able to watch the rest.
Well done Alireza, then again Nepo is everyone's favorite to beat as Nepo finds most of today's high end players boring.
I would even wager on Alirezas move that drew Nepos contempt, but I think that's enough for one day.
PS: whatever you doing Lana, keep on doing it
#suggestion vidit abdusutarov. A lesão in endgames
Why is Pragg 2769?
What was the best move though? I’m thinking capture h6 with the bishop or knight???
Best move was to do anything that takes you past move 40 while retaining advantage, and then think
Best move was to do anything that takes you past move 40 while retaining advantage, and then think
Best move was to do anything that takes you past move 40 while retaining advantage, and then think
Best move was to do anything that takes you past move 40 while retaining advantage, and then think
Best move was to do anything that takes you past move 40 while retaining advantage, and then think
#suggestion nodirbek vs vidit tata steel 2023
Gukesh: "The sequel is never as good as the original".
10:02 why you say twice it repeat once
Pragg's rating is wrong