The Expanse - The Donnager Part 8 | Escape on The Tachi | 'CQB' (Pt5)
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- The MCRN Donnager - Part 8.
All scenes from 1x03 "Remember The Cant" and 1x04 "CQB" in relation to The Donnager. Split up over multiple parts to avoid copyright block.
Part 8 - Escape on The MCRN Tachi. - CQB Part 5
This concludes The Donnager/CQB series.
All parts to The MCRN Donnager segments are in a playlist for seamless transitions. You can find that here:
• The MCRN Donnager 1x03...
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"It would've been nice to see an ocean on Mars". That's the line that fully sold me on the show. I already loved everything I was seeing, but a minor character like Lopez getting such tragic last words made me know this would be something special.
Lopez is such a cool character. With his second last act, he transfers full control to the future-Roci crew to fulfil his duty. With his final act, he repeats his wish to have seen an ocean on Mars. He embodies the two aspects of Mars - the military and the dream.
I'm watching this series for the first time and all I can say is I thought of Lopez's words while Bobbie was on the beach watching the ocean
Even Alex's "I mean - Yes Sir" adds so much gravity to a minor character from the implied relationship they have *because* they are Martians.
Yeah but his dying face when they take off, they use maximum shake effect for only that one second scene because the face is so bad.
This show did such a great job with the most minor characters giving them great exits.
One of the wonderful things about this series is how well written and acted the "minor" characters were. Lopez is truly believable as the heroic Martian, doing his duty even at what he knows is the end of the road for him.
Yup, along w Admiral Sauvaterre, both had roughly 6 mins of screentime but they were truly memorable.
Yeah, even though he was only slightly above an extra in a red shirt they gave him a great death line. Later more active but still minor characters like Michio who was a more important character in the books has the amputation scene and Walker with his ram of the Pela. The growth of so many of the characters was amazing.
"Authorize full operational control of all systems for everyone now on board" and "It would have been nice to see an ocean on Mars" - perfectly acted and memorable moments.
As well as later "I didn't think we could lose"
@@malcolmreynolds4099 One more example of giving a minor character screen time that most shows would hold back for the stars. His ordering Alex to pour on the coal aka max burn probably knowing it would kill him was one of so many great exits from the show.
@@malcolmreynolds4099 "I would have liked to have seen Montana."
"I didn't think we could loose" u could see the sorrow in her eyes
aye, a powerful scene
Lose they did.
"it would have been nice to see an ocean on Mars "
Well, she was basically given The Expanse's version of the Kobayashi Maru. They picked up a distress call, moved in to save the ship and were ambushed 6:1. Her solution was impressive.
She knew she has seconds to live and she will kill her entire crew that is still alive...
I cried so hard when Lopez transferred full control. Knowing everything that comes next, this is the moment Roci met her family.
This is my favorite part! I mean it's a military ship and it should have all kinds of security, not like anyone can just jump in a TIE-fighter and fly away.
Tachi
@@TheKingTywinLannisterthey rename it the Rocinate later in the show
Roci/Rocinante is such a cool name.
“Hoss….I don’t think I can..”
“GET US OUT OF HERE!!”
“You got it.”
A Good Captain’s voice can cut through the bullshit.
My fave part too !
From James "I don't wanna be XO" Holden, no less.
I wish I could experience this show for the first time again. Never a dull moment, even in the quiet scenes.
Agreed! 👍
Yeah man, what a great show.
I loved this show but the last season was a pretty big disappointment IMO.
Have you read the books?
@@iemgus not yet but I intend to.
I've never seen a more legitimate salvage than this. I don't even know what the issue was.
no witnesses. From the rest of the martians perspective it seems EXTREMLY unlikely, that martian military would hand over controls of one of their most modern warships. And even Lopez probably only did it because there was no other way out. But he is not around anymore to give testimony as to what happened.
So the martians assume, that the rocinante crew got authorisation by idk. maybe torturing Lopez to force him to hand over controls or something.
As salvage operations go, this one was pretty by-the-book. 😉
The part where Lopez, with busted armor leaking air, lumbers into the airlock. Just think about what’s happening right there for a second. His body has suffered the close-range concussive force of high explosives which would be enough to almost immediately kill a number of his organs, likely got shredded by shrapnel, and is clearly bleeding out internally. Even before he crossed the causeway, he knew he was already dead. In order for him to pull that off, he probably had to *manually* set his armor to shoot him up with enough drugs to fool his brain into thinking his body is still in working condition before weathering the continued withering fire from all sides. To top it all off, he was able to squelch enough of the pain that wasn’t covered by his suit’s combat meds in order to CALMLY tell everyone to get in before going through the correct procedure to give them command authorization. And he was still clear at the end. Like… damn, man.
Lopez is a quintessential soldier.
Sorry, a 'mariner' (they don't like to be called 'soldiers').
His mission was to get them off in the Tachi and he would die to make that happen. What he did was a Medal of Honor/Victoria Cross/Hero of the Russian Federation level of accomplishment. Like I said above even minor characters in this series have great exits.
@@thomasb1889 Oh absolutely, he did his duty, even when it was clear he had absolutely no chance of survival himself. And when you look across the future of the show and realise just how much wouldn't have happened, if Lopez had failed in that duty.
Whatever Mars' highest honour is, give it to him.
@@agbottan Yeah, Marines the world over have the attitude that they only use ships because they cannot march on water and there is no reason to think that would be any different with space navies.
Amos gets up, picks up Alex and runs to the ship with a broken leg with the bullet probably still in him. The Donnager XO makes it to the ship with broken ribs and probable internal injuries. The Donnager Captain sums it all up: "I didn't think we could loose" she says-just before the ship Self-Destructs at her Order. Good people die hard in this show...
Die Hard On A Spaceship
@@westrim - Better than every Die Hard movie after the 2nd.
Actually it’s Alex here who rises to the occasion and carries Amos after he’s hit.
The closeup shot of the Tachi on full burn retracting its PDCs is one of the coolest in scifi IMO
"And I was all like "PEW PEW PEW"" - Alex
Yeah!!
"Brrrrrrt"
It's a testiment to this show's realism that each of these characters on the Tachi don't really look like they're just calmly boarding a ship no sweat, they all look worse for wear. Lopez is coughing blood and has smoking, broken body armor, Amos genuinely looks in pain after being shot, Alex looks genuiely delirious from the ordeal of getting to the Tachi and Naomi and Holden both look stressed AF. All of the emotions on these character's faces feel real and not at all forced.
Alex was delirious because he had been given drugs beforehand that made him sleepy and he was forced to wake back up.
1:27 The Donnager is so beautiful, even when she’s damaged.
In the books Jim says its ugly, like a skyscraper
The shot at roughly 4.07 where the PDCs cut through the other ship is very powerful. It shows just how vulnerable ships are to weapons. No shields, no super armour, weapons do real damage without much effort.
The PDC’s are supposed to be 40mm autocannons. To put that into perspective, a modern A-10 warthogs cannon is 30mm, and the CIWS (the closet things to PDC’s modern day) on ships on 20mm. Multiple 40mm cannons firing at 4000rpm would shred a ship so badly it’s hard to explain.
@@Starfighter-nk4mo made a lot worse in space where there's no air friction and gravity - there's literally nothing to decelerate a bullet, when fired it goes dozens of times faster than it normally would making such PDCs dozens of times more dangerous.
Yeah only excuse the ship has, it that it was from the inside and it's reasonable to think a coating or something similar would be somewhat more effective from the side it's supposed to take damage from than the other.
What really is impresses on this is the scene on Ilus, when Naomi remotes the guns. They unfurl, showing each to be many times the size of a human, then fire.
One shot. Just one. And it packs enough force to deface a cliff.
Those babies are certified anti-tank weaponry. The in atmosphere firing on Ilus just shows clearly how much force even a single round packs. And tehy fire these babies on fuller auto
@@Starfighter-nk4mo Not just 40 mm cannons, 40 mm *TUNGSTEN* rounds. Assuming each round is a 50 mm long cylinder, each shot is 1.193 kg (2.63 lbm) of mass. And assuming each shot is at 1,100 m/s (3,600 ft/s, like in the CIWS), that's 722.3 KJ of energy on impact. If you got hit with that, you're gonna bad day.
And this is how the legend of the roci started
In telling Alex to go to max burn (over 10Gs) Lopez was signing his own death warrant. He knew that 10g on his already damaged internal organs would kill him.
Now THAT is a character with conviction.
I'm pretty sure he was also bleeding from shrapnel wounds, and nobody had done anything to stop the bleeding.
At first, when the Donnager explodes, I thought that the debris was imploding somehow (which annoyed me a bit). After watching the series again I realized it was not, it was just the Tachi leaving the explosion behind (accelerated movement vs constant velocity). The space perspectives in this show are nuts.
Oh damn! I wondered, why it was "imploding". It never was. They simply were outrunning the explosion! That's effing cool ( and...FAST)
@@animationcycles7109 OMG!! I've watched the series too many times to count and I, too, thought the Donnie was imploding...but yes you're right - the Roci was outrunning the explosion. Cheers!
This was the moment the Rocinante was sealed as a hero ship. Up there with the Defient as an all time favourite.
Iiiiiiiii fucking love this scene
I'm with you
I do think it takes a bit too long. The show is saying "Look at this, this is how you'd do it realistically" but at the the same time, none of the enemies hit Holden and Naomi and somehow make tons of sparks despite the huge open space XD. Dramatic.
"It would've been nice to see an ocean on Mars"
Bobbie and ocean on Earth…🦠🧪🔬
It is understood only in second viewing - this is a "becoming" scene.
It is not unlike the first time Toni Stark dons his Mark3 and flies to Gulmira, or Cap receiving the serum and then chases the assassin.
In many ways this one is better. For Iron Man, Captain America and such we know they are supposed to undergo this change.
In this scene the crew of the Roci function as a team, supporting one another, and the last fifth member - the Roci itself (although still named the Tachi) is introduced to the team.
They (and us as viewers for the first time) don't know that they are going to face incredible challenges.
But when seeing this for a second, third and who knows how many times - this is their "becoming" scene.
And it's awesome.
I also would add that this was "becoming" scene/sequence (from start of the battle) of the whole series. First hint for me was Cants flip and burn, but i was then not yet fully convinced that hard sci fi was gonna be the theme for whole show. When torpedoes first met mid way I started to hope and had this feeling but still thought "no it cant be that perfect" But when PDCs started firing, I almost jumped off my chair.
Just got the Leviathan Wakes audio book and I gotta love the way the show adapts this scene.
Yes I agree Naren Shankar wrote an excellent episode here.
@@speculativefuture9568 S6 will consist of only 6eps, well, it was sort of obvious with 2nd half of S5, but now we can say it: R.I.P. The Expanse
@@elvisibra yeah I was just listening to pepper's video about that. Compare that possibility to the qty of episodes in S2. And not only the qty of episodes in S2 but the quality as well.
I just hope if it is only 6 episodes they are of very high quality and we all don't feel short changed by that.
@@speculativefuture9568 they can be high quality visually, either than that, if only 6eps, everything else will be an epic train wreck in space, cause as I said after I saw 2nd half of s5: trains have no place in space, they need to go back to spaceships, figuratively speaking..
When you take your new supercar out for a spin while high and clip the fencepost on the way out.
To be fair, he was still a little high from the sedatives, lol.
Started off kinda slow, the flip and burn kept me intrigued just long enough to reach this point. THIS is the episode that finally sold me on how special this show was going to be.
Captain Yao and her crews’ last moment was heroic
Small detail I love: when the Tachi (soon to be Rocinante) is taking off, the Protogen troopers are firing on it and you can see the sparks from bullet impacts. The studio could've left it at that but if you look closely you can see the bullets leave marks on the hull after the sparks are gone.
Don't know why but the scene from 5:30 where Alex is like "I'm doing it" to the Roci going FULL BURN is so memorable ..
Tachi. And he should have went full burn before the explosion.
Poor amos, always getting shot
along with Lopez, it was this scene with the thrusters shutting down, gravity returning, and Holden kicking Naomi - who was losing her shit and getting shot at - that sold me on this show. i think j watch the first three seasons without sleeping or stopping, and then immediately bought the books that were out at that time. i was hooked with the clever details of how these characters solved problems in outer space. Ty Franck is one of my favorite personalities and i love listening to him and Wes chat about each episode of the show and their deep love for film and all things scifi. this series has filled such an important part of my life, i love it.
Greg Bryk as Lopez was one of the most compelling portrayals in this show, certainly the most memorable for me. What a great performance. I knew the character would die based on the book, but i was genuinely sad they couldn't keep him around in some fashion. They made lots of changes from the books, to bad they couldn't have seen what they had with his performance and keep him around to fulfill some other role, like maybe an Alex replacent when they killed him off.
Bryk is known as "the man that always delivers" for a reason.
The guy really is working Canadian actor. I only have ever seen him as this, the villain in the classic Canadian comedy Men With Brooms, the star of a Philip K Dick sequel to Screamers, and the Orion captain in a Strange New Worlds episode.
He had to die, this way they salvaged the Tachi and the Roci could find its own way. Maybe a coma with extensive medical care afterwards, but a close recovery or even him serving on the Roci would have been unrealistic. Later on, maybe, after the exodus on Mars, but I would argue that Lopez character was compelling because of his specific role and environment. Taking that away from him would have deminished his character alot.
@@joelquinn5347 True. Yet he'd make a compelling and fascinating character for sure. IF the story had allowed for him to survive. But you're right. He had to die :/
@@peterpain6625 He was great and achieved that with so little time. First time I saw the episode and knew nothing about what will come next, I of course was sad that he did not survive. But the whole Donnager crew was done perfectly and the situation was resolved like it should be. Their arrogance made them fuck up their job in the beginning, but it did not stop them to fullfill their duty in the end. They got the Roci crew off the ship, saved Mars reputation as much as possible and prevented the enemy to take more from them.
I've rarely seen science fiction series as EXCELLENT as THE EXPANSE in my life.
It has ALL the ingredients that make it a CULT SERIES.
Please, l need the SEVENTH season.
I won't lose hope of seeing its new episodes and especially ROCI.
It won't happen. I finally finished the books earlier this year, and I can see why they chose this as the stopping point. I could see it being possible to condense the last 3 books into one longer season, but would still have to include a 30+ year time jump.
They would really have to mince the originals materials to make it work.
That’s how you return fire when fired at 😅
Imagine how much more effective and badass the Roci crew would have been if Lopez had survived. They were already unstoppable, you put an elite Marine like Lopez on the team and it would be unfair, especially if he was around when Bobby joined.
That's why Lopez had to die. They need to be underdogs early on for their evolution into total badasses later to have meaning.
They really did their homework about space travel & physics for this show.
Yep. I need to watch this entire series. For the 3rd time.
Ever noticed how the attackers mainly went for the Martians? I always had a hunch that they allowed the others to escape, as was part of their plan.
I thought the belters were being spared (mostly spared, mind you) because they were clearly unarmed, but it's also possible that the Protogen troops had been ordered to take the Belters alive.
@@theprogram863 100% that. They wanted the witnesses alive for themselves, first of all to know exactly what happened to the Anubis, the Canterbury and the protomolecule (remember, everyone on board the Anubis except Julie Mao was dead or dying at this point, so Protogen didn't know exactly what was happening either) and secondly to know what they had told the Martians. That was the entire reason for boarding the Donnager in the first place, instead of just finishing it off with a torpedo from a distance while it was defenseless.
That's it. I have decided to watch it all again from the beginning.
I really liked how Alex called him hoss and then corrected to sir because he had earned the title. Damn, just realized I said Amos instead of Alex
3:48 If you watch carefully, you can see the weapons fire damaging the paint of the Roci. Great attention to details, most other shows would just add some sparks and not show any impact damage.
That episode is what sold me on the show. Was really hooked after the Donnager blew up!
Man first time I watched this, when you see the PDC's emerge from the ship, what an "oh, shit!" moment for all the pirates in the landing bay trying to stop the Tachi from escaping.
Yeah man, sexiest weapon deployment I've ever seen.
I wish I could go back through this series and watch it fresh again!!
Huh. I just realized that Alex had been calling Roci "sweetheart" since the day they met. ♥️
Their first date. ;)
Knowing what we know now about pushing full burn, people on board with bloody wounds and how people can be treated back to health from almost anything,
Lopez was actually telling Alex to kill him when he told him to punch it to full burn. he might have lived if not for it.
It was at least nice that the captain's desperate plan--and the one for which those Martian troopers died for--to get Holden and his crew to safety aboard the Tachi ultimately succeeded, and they knew it before the end. In the captain's words, it counted for something. And credit to the crew of the Donnager--at literally no point did any of them show any fear of dying or hesitation for the sake of duty.
I miss this show. Id pay just a subscription for this show alone.
And a legend is born.
I like how the the PDC's are actually firing at the boarders. Other shows would have had them just firing at random directions, but The Expanse isn't like other shows.
God, Donnager is so freaking massive. So much volume. Surprising they didn't use all that as a reserve bottle for air storage. Maybe it was normally used as such but decompressed in battle? So much room for improvement and modification too. Just add a fab and bolted it on. Run a walkway to it.
Such an incredible scene, I miss this show
The day a legend was born
i always thought it weird that A: they didnt have any personell in the ship already. sent some ahead of time to secure it. and B: that they couldnt remote control the PDC's to shoot everybody dead.
No need to, the pdcs are automatic systems
@@krishnarao3740 then why didnt they use them to shoot everybody and then just walk to the ship?
im talking about using them in the firefight before entering the ship.
@@tyhy1 they probably don't have remote control cause it would be a complex system and also for security reasons. I mean imagine trying to control a nasa rocket with remote control it would be hard and also not to mention if the remote control disconnects for some reason you're fucked. Like imagine in this scene if they used remote control for the pdcs and the suddenly the remote control disconnected. Those pdcs would keep firing
@@krishnarao3740 well in season 4 they are able to remote control the PDCs from a comm pad.
@@krishnarao3740 well, i know the real reason. the script and story needed all the martians to be dead and the ship to be theirs. but you'd think that they could use access codes on the donnager to remote control the pdc's on the tacci. its not out of the realm of possibility. they control nasa satellites, drones, tomahawk missiles and even remote controlled cars. remote controlling military assets is not unheard of in the real world, so in the future sci-fi world it should be able to work as well. provided you have the proper access codes.
OMG I miss this show.
My guess is that ¹they were just thrown completely off guard after being ran up on by those stealth ships that by the time they noticed them it was two late to get the Tachi ready with an adequate crew. ²They Martians were a little too cocky with the confidence in their new flagship.
One of the greatest shows ever. Have watched it twice in its entirety and looking forward to another run with my girls that are older now and can watch it with me.
4:07 I just realised that they destroyed the Knight!
A brilliant scene in ANY production!!
This was how the team got their ship.
4:36 “I would liked to have seen Montana.”
And there she is. The coolest space ship of all times is away!!
Ohhh man this show is the best!!!
love this playlist
Best "play all" channel on my UA-cam subs list, thank you.
At this point I was still trying to figure who was who- now I need a rewatch so I can appreciate the characters early on
@05:16 my heart broke :/ all those ppl gone in a celestial bust :/
I just realized now the Lopez gave an order that he knew would kill him.
Does anyone know if the music played around 3:40 is on one of the soundtracks?
The Expanse could so fit in the Total Recall Universe.
Though the book did it better I still love how they did this scene, classic heroism on the Martians behalf
Been a year, but could you upload some season 6 stuff? Been looking all over for the final battle scene in S6E6 but haven't seen anything. Being able to rewatch the Pella getting destroyed by the Ring Entities would be cool too.
now all we need is a clip of avasarala finding out that the ship got destroyed. or was it that they were in a battle? i honestly cant remember :D
No Blast effects in vacuum. Shrapnel, yes.....concussion, no.
4:00 Now, that is some "Summary Roadside Justice" right there, fellas.
Great show. However, rewatching the clips and now knowing the combat capabilities of the Tachi/Rocinante, I wonder why a fully functional MCRN corvette was just sitting in the hangar during the battle.
Mars got cocky and overconfident.
As soon as the unknown ships had shown hostile intention, they probably began preflighting the Tachi, but even with as much "push" as possible to get her ready quickly, she was clearly only JUST ready to fly when the Donnager was boarded - and probably her flight crew was killed by the attackers. Ships are not simple - it takes time to activate and power up their systems (a modern fighter jet - probably an order of magnitude less complex - takes close to half an hour to be ready to fly. "Ready 5" aircraft on a carrier have the first 25 minutes of their preparations completed before they're rolled up to the flight deck.
Donnager was caught with her escorts in "cold iron" status.
What happened to your Vimeo account?
Epic
Can you reupload the season 4 clips, particularly the scene where RCE flushes out the belters from the small building with the gas Grenades.
haw haw, big bad ship goes boom
Any idea when you’ll be putting out Season 6 content?
I dunno if you’re still uploading clips, but can you do the Pella and Free Navy crossing the Ring in the last episode?
Four random characters group up for an adventure... The Expanse was taken from a role-playing game the authors were playing. This, and later when they spend their money adding a rail-gun to their ship (such a gamer thing to do) are the only two times it shows.
Does anyone know the name of the soundtrack that plays during this scene?
@speculativefuture hey, can you please upload the scene where Avasarala resigns from government in season 5?
Can you upload the video when Canterbury is blown up.
And the events leading up to the destruction of Deimos?
Thank youu
I'll see what I can do. Tbh I'm having a bit of a break from uploading until S6 comes along, so will be preoccupied with that for some time. But I've made a note of your request. Thanks.
@@speculativefuture9568 Yo you have been missing for a year I miss your uploads
This is the rosie at her best. just wrecking shit. That is one pissed off ship
Yao and Kirino are the very best of the Martians
The whole Donnager with all crew and attacking forces deleted with the push of a button
Does anyone know the name of song when the Tachi starts shooting?
NOOOOOOO Umma!!!!
I still don't get it how those two much smaller ships have a boarding party bigger than the marine contingent of the Donnager.
Or they had less troops but won because of the more advanced tech?
Many were probably either KIA during the initial battle or doing damage control, and sections of the ship may have been cut off due to damage. Also may depend on where the breaching pods landed. The stealth ships knew exactly who and what they were going up against, and they probably knew exactly where to land them to most effectively gain control. The Captain also said most of her crew hadn't seen battle outside of a simulator, and the Protogen crews were likely ex-military. There are a number of variables.
@@logicplague2077What you said makes perfect sense.
why did the other guys bother boarding the donnager? what are they after? the ship itself?
Go back and just LISTEN to this video. The Sound Design team was never paid enough. The PDCs sound like the Doom Marine created a chainsaw but the chain was made of .50 Cal rounds coated in hell.
I never understood how they boarded the Donnager, shoulnt martians have at least 2 squads of Marines in Goliat armors on it?
It's a shame Lopez and his unit didn't have Goliaths. Show probably would've gone a bit differently.
They should've gone to mars and then none of the shit that happens in the show would've happened
The show was so good the first season then it went pirates of the Caribbean route sadly
Really wish Lopez could've stayed around longer.
The captain thinking that she can't lose is partly WHY she lost, thinking you are invincible and can't make mistakes is what causes mistakes to happen. I won't say that she was arrogant, but she certainly was naïve and short sighted and couldn't see the bigger picture of what was going on; thinking that because her ship was a battleship that it meant it wouldn't lose to something smaller.
Not just any battleship, the most advanced battleship known to mankind. You can see why she was over confident.
:( he’s gone again
3:18 minecraft arrow sound.