+chrome96Br It's a testament to the greatness of the old Osterreichring that its chopped form is still rather widely considered to be one of the better tracks on the calendar...
What F1 and Tilke did to this track is exactly what they did to the Hockenheimring. A classic, unique layout that was completely bastardized. It's a shame. At least the classic Hockenheimring is available on Project Cars 2. I wish they had this classic Austria layout, however...
I agree with most comments about the Osterriechring, it was a totally epic circuit. Bit like the old Silverstone: combination of long straights and fast sweeping corners demanding a combination of decent straight-line speed and good aero balance for high speed stability in those fast corners. Unfortunately, like the old Silverstone, it had very little run off on those fast corners. You may have noticed watching this video that at a few corners, you come down a 200 Mph straight approaching a corner with zilch run off: just an Armco barrier. Can you imagine arriving at the Bosch curve approaching 200 Mph when you have, for example, a front axle/brake/suspension failure? Straight into that barrier. At best broken legs, at worse..........possibly terminal spinal fractures. That's what happened to Clay Regazzoni at Long Beach 1980:a front axle/brake failure sent him spearing him into a parked Brabham and concrete wall, confining him to a wheel chair for the rest of his adult life. I think I'm right in saying that Mark Donohue had a tyre failure at this track in 1975 which sent into of those unforgiving barriers at undiminished speed, causing massive brain injuries which ultimately took his life. I think it was at the Hella Licht corner before a chicane was put in. Don't want to sound like a kill-joy, this was a super track, but it was potentially lethal in those turbo F1 cars. P.S Love that throaty guttural sound of a V6 turbo engine, with the waste-gate chattering at the chicane. Superb!
Very good points and the main reason for changes. I do however think older tracks like this are certainly possible again now with both advances to the cars themselves and the introduction of techpro barriers which make up a lot for lack of run off. We use techpro barriers to justify ridiculous street racing but I'd much prefer it was used for enabling old school tracks like this
This looks like the race track I have always dreamed about. I've always wanted to see one with all long, sweeping turns and no stupid hairpins at the end of long straights. And sadly it's all but gone in this beautiful form.
Good point if they can keep Spa on the F1 calendar then why could they not make this circuit fit for racing. There is plenty of room to add a chicane if needed or run off on fast corners (with a little earth moving and cutting down the odd tree).
Suzuka has no need to change other for overtaking Spa has literally no reasons to change, safety or overtaking wise. Meanwhile this track needed changing, it was ultimately too dangerous.
It amazes me that EVERY SINGLE person who loves motor racing say the exact same thing, still they keep Hermann Tilke (the man who designs piece of shit squared tracks and ruins others; i.e. Osterreichring, Hockenheim, etc) in charge of designing and re-designing tracks. No, it doesn't amaze me. It PISSES ME OFF, really.
Chill out, tilke has two shit circuits under his belt, but most of his venues are actually pretty fun. To say the old Österreichring layout is better than the current red bull ring is just ridiculous. Modern cars would literally be unable to overtake. You just choose to believe that the fault lies entirely on tilke. You people frame yourself and have massive amounts of double standards. There are a bunch of non tilke tracks on the calendar that struggle to produce exciting racing, and it's some of the most revered ones as well. Silverstone, suzuka and Monaco all are often dull affairs, but they aren't even talked about bc there's no single scapegoat behind them. You're delusional
The people who live on the land from the old Niki Lauda chicane up to where it rejoins the new Tilke circuit refused permission for the track to be re-born. They were concerned about noise. I think they should reinstate the old Bosche curve though and maybe even the Jochen Rindt curve.
This original layout was a real circuit, I miss those days...modern F1 is pure crap, cars, drivers and circuits are all shit, exept for the original tracks still in use like Monza.
Monza and I guess Spa are the last of the good old F1 tracks these days that haven't been castrated under the guise of safety, though I suspect its more commercialism than anything else. Though I guess you can say that Spa has as well seeing as its now 7 km rather than the old 14 km circuit. Sadly even Silverstone is a shadow of its former high speed self these days.
What a Circuit is still be watching F1 if they still had Circuits like this instead of stop and go car park racing on there's ANOTHER 90° corner BORING
Although current modification (RedBull ring) luckily isn't that bad, but original track was f***ing great, in fact according to Alain & Niki, to improve safety standard just to add more run-off areas. But they have chosen to give it to f***in Hermann Tilke.
vprmn The fact that there would be no overtaking today does not mean the current track is good. It means current F1 sucks. All about pointless aerodynamic details and stupid rules... F1 back in the day was all about drivers who could push them and their cars to the limit, nowaddays drivers can't do it because they have to think about tyre consumption, engine life, gearbox life, fuel consumption and whatnot.
The commentator kept saying "down to 4th", when he only did that once. The rest of the times he was dropping down to 5th. Particularly during the turbo era, it made sense on a circuit like this to err on the side of being up a gear and able to flow smoothly through the corners, versus being in the upper range of a lower gear and upsetting the car.
Wow! I always felt Red Bull Ring felt like it was missing something! I love the track but my god the old version is 1,000,000 times better!!! So disgusting how they keep destroying classic tracks! I miss old hockenhiem and old Spa with the bus stop chicane! This one hurts to see half the track missing
The Hella Licht to Dr Tiroch section is still in existence, albeit a little overgrown and gated off but there are plans to bring parts of it back into use as part of the western extension to the Red Bull ring, if it is ever completed.
Sections of the old track are still there, would be nice to have both Tilke layout and the classic circuit to still use, the Tilke layout for Formula One, the old circuit for Sports Cars.
I would love to see the H shifter come back to F1, i think that would really make the sport more equal (even tho its been awesome the last 2-3 seasons)
This remarkable piece of road along with the old Kyalami were abandoned in favour of the Hungaroring and Jerez kart tracks. While the location is back, it's not the Osterreichring.
Im currently at this moment watching the 2016 russian gp and i have to say that tilke tracks are so boring, i just wanted to see a real f1 track before its mutilation. Fuck halo fuck run off areas fuck safety.
This track used to be stunning. It once flowed like a sweet mountain stream, descending into raging rapids around Rindt. Yet, it was a toxic stream, full of testosterone, and it needed the treatment. Stripped of many of its natural wonders, expertise succeeded in making it unrecognisable, but could not complete the prefab program. It is not quite as forgettable as all of the other memorable and vibrant prefabs whose names I cannot recall, since they struggled to move the mountain.
Österreichring was much faster, but left the calendar that was dangerous and 10 years later redone and turned the A1 ring that is currently red bull ring was very similar to Interlagos, I liked the track but the old one was better.
The race last weekend was a great watch very close and very competitive, although they've neutered the top side of this track, the last two corners are awesome!
@MacGovernor Um...duh? We weren't talking about the Osterreichring (sorry, I don't know how to inser an umlaut), we were talking about the Nurburgring....if you'll kindly read the comments between myself and thashNMBR1, you could see that.
The muppet commentating has no idea what gear the car is in, he took the Bosch and Rindt Kurves in 5th gear, the first chicane in 3rd...... Aweosme track though, brilliant cars, love the Turbo F1 era!
This track was amazing. I'd love it to be rebuilt, but you know they'd ruin it with 500 miles of tarmac run off at every corner. A1 Ring was nice, but has nothing on this!
@KyleP133 This track was superb until Hermann Tilke put his hands on it and ruined it. In fact, the man can't design a proper race track. All of his works are a piece of crap... and I simply can't understand how he keeps designing tracks for F1... no one likes his tracks, their lines kill overtaking and then FIA keeps searching for bizarre solutions to improve overtaking conditions. It's so idiotic that it makes me nervous...
They wanted to get rid of it due to many start line accidents at the first turn. Shame they didnt think to do what they did at monza, simply widen the first chicane. @youngdeezy1990
Look how long the straights were. Just different back then. Tracks and cars. Nowadays a-lot of the tracks are small tight and a-lot of corners. Better? Not sure. I love this flat out at 325 haha.
@SuperKabana How did it failed horribly? from what i know Williams was testing with CTV and it was said that the Williams car fitted with CTV was actualy faster then there championship car that year. FIA then quickly banned this system so it never was used in a race. Im not quite sure but i think if you allow ctv it might could be faster then a conventional gearbox because you will have full power available at all time.
amen. if they tear that one up, i will lose complete faith in the racing world lol (then again, they kinda already did tear part of it up to build the new nurburgring, but eh, for the most part the original circuit is still there.)
well im sure you would rather be alive than dead as well, how many times have they expressed their concerns now? i dont see that much of it happening, its just people think they are more cultured if they say stuff about older drivers being better or bigger 'balled' than todays drivers.
@KyleP133 If youtube had a "like" button I would push it mate, heheh! But instead of putting chicanes and slow corners on circuits they could put escape areas so that we could have fast and exciting tracks as the old Österreichring.
Fabolous! This is what F1 should be about. These tracks nowadays are just a dream. Tilke and his gang should stick to urban areas projects, not F1. I would not let him design the local karting track either!
@LouieGee I completely agree. The Old Osterreichring was clearly going the way of the Nordschlieffe, I think the redesign was a good attempt at saving it without putting chicanes everywhere. I think this is the best track Tilke has ever done, but I hate his tracks just as much as you do. I just hate the A1 ring less than the others. ;)
Given that they universally relish the challenges of Suzuka, Spa and Monaco, I doubt that highly. Looks to be just the kind of track many would like, although the top teams could probably take the majority of those corners in 5th or 6th gear no problem.
@MacGovernor I am well aware that the Österreichring is in Austria, if you would kindly look at the previous comments, you would see that thashNMBR1 and I were talking about the old nordschleife circuit in Germany. :) I apologize for any confusion.
What a circuit... Wow... WOW.. What the FIA and F1 has done to circuits in the past 20 years is just a total crime. There are only a few Grands Prix these days that share the sense of 'epic' that Grands Prix used to have, and those are Monaco, Monza, Spa Francorchamps (Although they managed to take some of the magic away from there too), Interlagos, Suzuka..
It was a different time. Safety was basically an afterthought back in the day. The reality is, some tracks are engineered for disaster and the cars were simply too powerful for them. I fully support what F1 today has become. It may not be as exciting for the fans, but hey, at least people won't die for our pleasure. Also, there's a spider on my head.
Ich bin den schönen alten Kurs damals beim Sportfahrertraining mit meinem GTi gefahren - was für eine grossartige Strecke! Diese superschnellen 4. + 5. Gang Kurven waren einfach geil, und dann die Namen: Jochen Rindt Kurve, Niki Lauda Schikane, DAS waren noch ehrliche Rennsport-Zeiten, wo du noch richtig Eier in der Hose brauchtest. Heute ist die Nordschleife die letzte Strecke mit solchem Charakter.
This old track was amazingly good. Amazing flow, reminds me of old Zandvoort a little even. But the redesign in 1997 really wasnt that bad. It's amazing what some elevation changes can do to the personality of otherwise boring corners. I think this was Tilke's only good track... He did a good job of incorporating the natural hills and valleys to make it work I think.
Guys, beside the corner section after the start/finsh line and after the following up the hill straight the track gladly has not changed much. This is basically still the same layout as today, only the last turn (where nowadays are two awesome corners btw.) and the already in the first sentence mentioned sections + a just little bit the one after the thrid straight changed. Beside that it's still 'the same' nowadays.
red bull ring is good,but this track is much better
chrome96Br yes really quick circiut.
+chrome96Br It's a testament to the greatness of the old Osterreichring that its chopped form is still rather widely considered to be one of the better tracks on the calendar...
without the chicane was way better
And then came Hermann Tilke
and what? F1 needs SLOWLY turns = OVERTAKING. are you understand?
vprmn Nice grammar bro ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
MasterViseOMG a čo teraž akože?
i,am understand!
It’s best F1 buggers off to India, Malaysia and Uzbekistan etc and leave these beauties as they were
What F1 and Tilke did to this track is exactly what they did to the Hockenheimring. A classic, unique layout that was completely bastardized. It's a shame. At least the classic Hockenheimring is available on Project Cars 2. I wish they had this classic Austria layout, however...
I agree with most comments about the Osterriechring, it was a totally epic circuit. Bit like the old Silverstone: combination of long straights and fast sweeping corners demanding a combination of decent straight-line speed and good aero balance for high speed stability in those fast corners. Unfortunately, like the old Silverstone, it had very little run off on those fast corners. You may have noticed watching this video that at a few corners, you come down a 200 Mph straight approaching a corner with zilch run off: just an Armco barrier. Can you imagine arriving at the Bosch curve approaching 200 Mph when you have, for example, a front axle/brake/suspension failure? Straight into that barrier. At best broken legs, at worse..........possibly terminal spinal fractures. That's what happened to Clay Regazzoni at Long Beach 1980:a front axle/brake failure sent him spearing him into a parked Brabham and concrete wall, confining him to a wheel chair for the rest of his adult life. I think I'm right in saying that Mark Donohue had a tyre failure at this track in 1975 which sent into of those unforgiving barriers at undiminished speed, causing massive brain injuries which ultimately took his life. I think it was at the Hella Licht corner before a chicane was put in. Don't want to sound like a kill-joy, this was a super track, but it was potentially lethal in those turbo F1 cars.
P.S Love that throaty guttural sound of a V6 turbo engine, with the waste-gate chattering at the chicane. Superb!
100%.
Why don't they become carpenters then instead of racing drivers last time I looked there's not much run off at the TT
Bernie RUINED F1 it was just about money for him and people dying on primetime isn't good for the advertisers
Very good points and the main reason for changes. I do however think older tracks like this are certainly possible again now with both advances to the cars themselves and the introduction of techpro barriers which make up a lot for lack of run off.
We use techpro barriers to justify ridiculous street racing but I'd much prefer it was used for enabling old school tracks like this
@@Jwm367t This. The argument that circuits like this are no longer viable crumbles completely in the face of Jeddah.
This looks like the race track I have always dreamed about. I've always wanted to see one with all long, sweeping turns and no stupid hairpins at the end of long straights. And sadly it's all but gone in this beautiful form.
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Hermann Tilke's list of next destructions:
- Suzuka
- Spa Francorchamps
Good point if they can keep Spa on the F1 calendar then why could they not make this circuit fit for racing. There is plenty of room to add a chicane if needed or run off on fast corners (with a little earth moving and cutting down the odd tree).
Suzuka has no need to change other for overtaking
Spa has literally no reasons to change, safety or overtaking wise.
Meanwhile this track needed changing, it was ultimately too dangerous.
@@russotusso1695 eau rouge run off is the only thing
I didnt know he was 34 when he debut in f1, gotta respect him for that, today the rookie field in f1 can be as young as 18-19!!
that´s a real fast track...for men....!!!
Ohhhh sexist!
they always destroy the best tracks..... :(
Not "they" it's a "he", and he is Hermann Tilke!
this track was great, certainly one of the best GP circuits of all time
It amazes me that EVERY SINGLE person who loves motor racing say the exact same thing, still they keep Hermann Tilke (the man who designs piece of shit squared tracks and ruins others; i.e. Osterreichring, Hockenheim, etc) in charge of designing and re-designing tracks.
No, it doesn't amaze me. It PISSES ME OFF, really.
Chill out, tilke has two shit circuits under his belt, but most of his venues are actually pretty fun. To say the old Österreichring layout is better than the current red bull ring is just ridiculous. Modern cars would literally be unable to overtake. You just choose to believe that the fault lies entirely on tilke. You people frame yourself and have massive amounts of double standards. There are a bunch of non tilke tracks on the calendar that struggle to produce exciting racing, and it's some of the most revered ones as well. Silverstone, suzuka and Monaco all are often dull affairs, but they aren't even talked about bc there's no single scapegoat behind them. You're delusional
The people who live on the land from the old Niki Lauda chicane up to where it rejoins the new Tilke circuit refused permission for the track to be re-born. They were concerned about noise. I think they should reinstate the old Bosche curve though and maybe even the Jochen Rindt curve.
Another great circuit stupidly abandonned....
***** Search it, its not a circuit anymore, even the updated one.
*****
A1 ring is castrated Osterreichring.
+GhostsKuriboh
I live here next to the Red Bull ring and trust me, it is total nonsense humbug now. A micky mouse track with zero grip asphalt tar!
This original layout was a real circuit, I miss those days...modern F1 is pure crap, cars, drivers and circuits are all shit, exept for the original tracks still in use like Monza.
Monza and I guess Spa are the last of the good old F1 tracks these days that haven't been castrated under the guise of safety, though I suspect its more commercialism than anything else. Though I guess you can say that Spa has as well seeing as its now 7 km rather than the old 14 km circuit.
Sadly even Silverstone is a shadow of its former high speed self these days.
Man I miss that fantastic track so much!
What a Circuit is still be watching F1 if they still had Circuits like this instead of stop and go car park racing on there's ANOTHER 90° corner BORING
Although current modification (RedBull ring) luckily isn't that bad, but original track was f***ing great, in fact according to Alain & Niki, to improve safety standard just to add more run-off areas. But they have chosen to give it to f***in Hermann Tilke.
Wonderful track. Today's ring is just another one of Tilke's aborts.
lol :) modern F1 in this circuit = no overtaking :) no slow corner. this is the best tillke reconstruuction (malaysia as new track too)
vprmn
agree. but not about Sepang :(
+vprmn There would be overtakes. Without the first chicane we would see pretty good slipstream fightbacks.
vprmn The fact that there would be no overtaking today does not mean the current track is good. It means current F1 sucks. All about pointless aerodynamic details and stupid rules... F1 back in the day was all about drivers who could push them and their cars to the limit, nowaddays drivers can't do it because they have to think about tyre consumption, engine life, gearbox life, fuel consumption and whatnot.
So fast and flowing! As much as I like the current circuit this one is far superior
Do you always need to overtake williams honda after the niki lauda chicane?
Holy shit
The best scenery on an F1 circuit i've ever seen. I love Spa but it ain't got shit on this..... Fuckin Red Bull ruined it!
bullshit.
Why are you so negative about modern f1 drivers?
They don't pick the tracks...
lol, comments are filled with "muh olde circuits" people… Red Bull ring is fine, no one "butchered" it - F1 left it long before it was rebuilt
People just don't like Tilke
The commentator kept saying "down to 4th", when he only did that once. The rest of the times he was dropping down to 5th. Particularly during the turbo era, it made sense on a circuit like this to err on the side of being up a gear and able to flow smoothly through the corners, versus being in the upper range of a lower gear and upsetting the car.
the old ring was so damn quick!
and pretty dangerous
Wow! I always felt Red Bull Ring felt like it was missing something! I love the track but my god the old version is 1,000,000 times better!!! So disgusting how they keep destroying classic tracks! I miss old hockenhiem and old Spa with the bus stop chicane! This one hurts to see half the track missing
The Hella Licht to Dr Tiroch section is still in existence, albeit a little overgrown and gated off but there are plans to bring parts of it back into use as part of the western extension to the Red Bull ring, if it is ever completed.
Sections of the old track are still there, would be nice to have both Tilke layout and the classic circuit to still use, the Tilke layout for Formula One, the old circuit for Sports Cars.
Pretty sure we don't have that circuit for the same reason we don't have the older Hockenheim layout, environmental reasons
@@Jtngetabettername Yea I heard that reason, but from recent video of people visiting old Hockenheim, mother nature refuse to claim the road part.
The RA167E was an amazing engine. Was he on full time attack turbo boost on that lap ??
This track is amazing it looks like a Gran Turismo track
Back when the steering wheel wasnt a Playstation controller with extra buttons
I would love to see the H shifter come back to F1, i think that would really make the sport more equal (even tho its been awesome the last 2-3 seasons)
I do agree with you. Indeed, it will dictate between the real racers than those wannabe driver.
fun fact: now this track have 3rd version of "which corner was name after Niki Lauda"
Everyone: The Osterreichring is a perfect circuit, it's got everything a proper circuit should have.
Hermann Tilke: Hold my beer................
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Okay, would you like more drivers to die?
A modern F1 driver would piss he's pants on this track....
This remarkable piece of road along with the old Kyalami were abandoned in favour of the Hungaroring and Jerez kart tracks. While the location is back, it's not the Osterreichring.
Ra167e, not 166
Im currently at this moment watching the 2016 russian gp and i have to say that tilke tracks are so boring, i just wanted to see a real f1 track before its mutilation. Fuck halo fuck run off areas fuck safety.
We have to go back!
Nessim Aidli are you jack shephard?!
This track used to be stunning. It once flowed like a sweet mountain stream, descending into raging rapids around Rindt. Yet, it was a toxic stream, full of testosterone, and it needed the treatment.
Stripped of many of its natural wonders, expertise succeeded in making it unrecognisable, but could not complete the prefab program. It is not quite as forgettable as all of the other memorable and vibrant prefabs whose names I cannot recall, since they struggled to move the mountain.
red bull ring is good,but this track is much better
why?
Österreichring was much faster, but left the calendar that was dangerous and 10 years later redone and turned the A1 ring that is currently red bull ring was very similar to Interlagos, I liked the track but the old one was better.
+chrome96Br Red Bull must come and save the old Hockenheimring. I still have hope.
Is this the A1/Red Bull Ring of old?
4damskii same circiut just longer.but better then new version.
@@master-kq3nw wtf , really ? I just get to know about this right now and begin to miss it in f1 calendar
@@siniyden yes but this part circiut is too dangerous original layout last time 1987
@@master-kq3nw todays cars seem to me be quite safe for this
@@siniyden the track is, but can you imagine what a wreck it would be with current F1 regs destroying it. It would be a car park with markings.
The race last weekend was a great watch very close and very competitive, although they've neutered the top side of this track, the last two corners are awesome!
@MacGovernor Um...duh? We weren't talking about the Osterreichring (sorry, I don't know how to inser an umlaut), we were talking about the Nurburgring....if you'll kindly read the comments between myself and thashNMBR1, you could see that.
The muppet commentating has no idea what gear the car is in, he took the Bosch and Rindt Kurves in 5th gear, the first chicane in 3rd...... Aweosme track though, brilliant cars, love the Turbo F1 era!
@Grayqboufan Österreichring is located in Austria, as it's name should tell you if you can understand even a little tiny bit of Deutsch language.
All the blind, fast corners... Gosh these drivers sure have balls, wonder how these cockpits could've contained them.
this track is a freaking symphony! Stunning
Was.
This track was amazing. I'd love it to be rebuilt, but you know they'd ruin it with 500 miles of tarmac run off at every corner. A1 Ring was nice, but has nothing on this!
awesome circiut
Great drivers' track. Bet there wasn't much overtaking going on here.
Mechakucha ikiteru. Nippon !
They ruined this track with todays layout.
i love tracks with these many ups and downs.
Osterreichring is better than Redbullring
Muito mais legal que o atual.
1111 likes, das lass ich mal stehen, obwohl ich´s mag ...
@KyleP133 This track was superb until Hermann Tilke put his hands on it and ruined it. In fact, the man can't design a proper race track. All of his works are a piece of crap... and I simply can't understand how he keeps designing tracks for F1... no one likes his tracks, their lines kill overtaking and then FIA keeps searching for bizarre solutions to improve overtaking conditions. It's so idiotic that it makes me nervous...
When the f1 steering wheel ACTUALLY looked like a steering wheel!!! Great video!
What's the issue with a butterfly wheel?
The right-handed Bosch Kurve into the left-handed Panorama... some workout for the neck muscles!
They wanted to get rid of it due to many start line accidents at the first turn. Shame they didnt think to do what they did at monza, simply widen the first chicane. @youngdeezy1990
Look how long the straights were. Just different back then. Tracks and cars. Nowadays a-lot of the tracks are small tight and a-lot of corners. Better? Not sure. I love this flat out at 325 haha.
@SuperKabana How did it failed horribly? from what i know Williams was testing with CTV and it was said that the Williams car fitted with CTV was actualy faster then there championship car that year. FIA then quickly banned this system so it never was used in a race. Im not quite sure but i think if you allow ctv it might could be faster then a conventional gearbox because you will have full power available at all time.
amen. if they tear that one up, i will lose complete faith in the racing world lol (then again, they kinda already did tear part of it up to build the new nurburgring, but eh, for the most part the original circuit is still there.)
I cannot believe it. Another fantastic track ruined. Saddest thing is he got paid for this...
well im sure you would rather be alive than dead as well, how many times have they expressed their concerns now? i dont see that much of it happening, its just people think they are more cultured if they say stuff about older drivers being better or bigger 'balled' than todays drivers.
What a circuit 😍
@KyleP133 If youtube had a "like" button I would push it mate, heheh! But instead of putting chicanes and slow corners on circuits they could put escape areas so that we could have fast and exciting tracks as the old Österreichring.
Fabolous! This is what F1 should be about. These tracks nowadays are just a dream. Tilke and his gang should stick to urban areas projects, not F1. I would not let him design the local karting track either!
@LouieGee I completely agree. The Old Osterreichring was clearly going the way of the Nordschlieffe, I think the redesign was a good attempt at saving it without putting chicanes everywhere. I think this is the best track Tilke has ever done, but I hate his tracks just as much as you do. I just hate the A1 ring less than the others. ;)
Given that they universally relish the challenges of Suzuka, Spa and Monaco, I doubt that highly. Looks to be just the kind of track many would like, although the top teams could probably take the majority of those corners in 5th or 6th gear no problem.
@MacGovernor I am well aware that the Österreichring is in Austria, if you would kindly look at the previous comments, you would see that thashNMBR1 and I were talking about the old nordschleife circuit in Germany. :) I apologize for any confusion.
What a circuit... Wow... WOW.. What the FIA and F1 has done to circuits in the past 20 years is just a total crime. There are only a few Grands Prix these days that share the sense of 'epic' that Grands Prix used to have, and those are Monaco, Monza, Spa Francorchamps (Although they managed to take some of the magic away from there too), Interlagos, Suzuka..
It was a different time. Safety was basically an afterthought back in the day. The reality is, some tracks are engineered for disaster and the cars were simply too powerful for them. I fully support what F1 today has become. It may not be as exciting for the fans, but hey, at least people won't die for our pleasure. Also, there's a spider on my head.
Nice circut!
Look at the movement on that suspension. When a modern cars suspension moves that much it breaks into a million peices.
You dam right they butchered this track when it became the A1 Ring.
A classic track that will never see the light of day again :(
One of the great great race circuits of the world. The useless bastards just cut it to pieces.
I wish the commentator would shut up, arrgh!
Honestly, what a terrifying experience that must be!
@Douglas6250 Nakajima´s Lotus had the RA166E engine
One person prefers watching F1 races in circuits built by Hermann Tilke...
Wow, this track was like a roller-coaster ride, with the exception of 200+km/h for the full duration :D
No wonder they abandoned the track, the speed is fatal
Ich bin den schönen alten Kurs damals beim Sportfahrertraining mit meinem GTi gefahren - was für eine grossartige Strecke! Diese superschnellen 4. + 5. Gang Kurven waren einfach geil, und dann die Namen: Jochen Rindt Kurve, Niki Lauda Schikane, DAS waren noch ehrliche Rennsport-Zeiten, wo du noch richtig Eier in der Hose brauchtest. Heute ist die Nordschleife die letzte Strecke mit solchem Charakter.
Better than new one. I don't know why they changed it...........
Too fast?
This track were way better than this new, similar, slow tracks!
yeah. epic track. if i ever go to germany, one of the first things on my to-do list is to take a lap around the nordschleife :)
Finally someone who gets it. I much prefer tracks that aren't very good to tracks that kill my favourite drivers.
Un circuito meraviglioso distrutto per far posto ad una pista di go cart....
Osterreichring the best Red Bull Ring poop!!!!
not really, they would take it as it comes just like any other track.
thats why Hermann Tilke is the Bernie Ecclestone of track designing!
no not really, they would probably drive it like any other track.
These circuits are much better than today’s
to have a track like this today you would need alot more space for runoff areas
0 overtaking places tbh
This old track was amazingly good. Amazing flow, reminds me of old Zandvoort a little even. But the redesign in 1997 really wasnt that bad. It's amazing what some elevation changes can do to the personality of otherwise boring corners. I think this was Tilke's only good track... He did a good job of incorporating the natural hills and valleys to make it work I think.
So Sepang, Bahrain, Shanghai, Istanbul Park and COTA are bad?
passing looks impossible at that circuit.
this looks like a great race track,wonder why they got rid of it. this was wayyy before my time.
it's been 13 years did you find out yet
Guys, beside the corner section after the start/finsh line and after the following up the hill straight the track gladly has not changed much. This is basically still the same layout as today, only the last turn (where nowadays are two awesome corners btw.) and the already in the first sentence mentioned sections + a just little bit the one after the thrid straight changed. Beside that it's still 'the same' nowadays.