Horror and Moral Panic (Dead Meat Podcast #41)
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- Опубліковано 14 січ 2019
- James and Chelsea talk about how horror is allegedly disintegrating the moral fabric of society.
SOURCES:
Subversive Horror Cinema by Jon Towlson
The Monster Show by David J. Skal
Blood Money by Richard Nowell
Going to Pieces by Adam Rockoff
ncac.org
The New York Times
The Washington Post
The LA Times
Birth Movies Death
The Guardian
UC Berkeley ("Does Movie Violence Increase Violent Crime?", 2009)
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Quick correction (Misreading on my part! My bad! -Chelsea): Freaks was not Tod Browning's last studio film. That would be Miracles For Sale, in 1939. However, after Freaks, Browning had tons of trouble getting his projects greenlit and was instead relegated to either horror pictures or projects with similarly disgraced actors.
Dead Meat Congrats on 2 mil!
Dead Meat hey i just want to ask :When comes the Slender man kill count?
Do final destination death count
CONGRATS ON 2 MILLION! YOU REALLY DESERVE IT!
you should do a kill count on the bye bye man
Freaks is probably the least exploitative Exploitation film of all time. It treats the “freaks” as normal people with real emotions and relationships. It’s very fitting that two of the most “beautiful” people in the film are the villains. The scene where Hans finally comes to terms with the fact that Cleopatra is only using him for his money is genuinely heartbreaking.
An excellent film.
As a British person I can confirm that our tabloid culture is absolutely awful and so damaging when it comes to politics and more
The problem with the child drowning scene in Frankenstein is that when you see it now, the scene after the drowning, Frankenstein sits by the water and weeps. The next shot you always see is the father carries the daughter’s dead body. I know when you see it now, you get the idea and understand when he throws the little girl in the water the reason for it. You get his innocence. The sad thing is is weeping would have made that scene so brilliant.
While Seduction of the Innocent did lead to the Comics Code (self-censorship among comic publishers) because of the fears about delinquency, one of the major aspects of the book was that it interpreted super-heroes having secret identities as a metaphor for closeted homosexual men. He saw Batman and Robin having one identity during the day as upstanding citizens while hiding their other identities who have other values/morals. The led to the original creation of Batwoman and Batgirl as heterosexual love interests for Batman and Robin.
The most ironic part is that a later recreation of Batwoman's character had her come out as a lesbian.
Hell yeah! I'm writing a 20 page essay on Rosemary's Baby currently, so this counts as studying.
Mint Ketchup would love to read when you’re done
@@caleblawrence6787 Not in english unfortunately!
I love these research episodes! I know they take a LOT of work, so thank you!
You really do have to roll your eyes when people unironically say “people are too easily offended these days” or the like
Are you saying that people aren’t soft these days? Cuz if u are ur absolutely wrong
@@stateofmindphilosophyandps214 people used to be offended to the point of having seizures at seeing people kiss on tv, that was controversial
Now all of the most popular tv = sexual intercourse, blatant drug use, full nudity, coarse language, extremely graphic violence
My fucking middle school teacher used to talk about breaking bad with us.
People are casual about fuckin’ everything now, but sure “everyone is so easily offended these days” people being offended, that’s totally new and shocking
"people are too easily offended these days!' okay grandpa, you freaked out because a black or gay person appeared on screen but uh... Go off, I guess.
I’m taking a law class and I’m not yet 3 days into the course and the teacher has already said that at least 5 different times. Like, sure dude
@@stateofmindphilosophyandps214 and here we have an example of someone who didn't freaking LISTEN TO THE PODCAST THEYRE COMMENTING ON.
Christ.
It's always super interesting for me to learn about censorship in the arts and media, and it's a shame how some scenes get lost to time. I love how thorough you guys are in your research and in making connections to historical trends! I always learn something new, and love the content. Keep up the good work!
there are some scenes that are cut for a reason sometimes they are one bad scene in a good movie or it was a scene the director hated.
"Legion of Decency" instantly having me thinking of the "Legion of Doom", a supervillain group who opposes the Justice League.
Sounds like the Crime Syndicate version of them 😂
Coming from the uk myself I'm really glad on your behalf that you didn't go into the Bulger Case because that was just going to open a WHOLE other can of worms but man...it feels like as the podcast went on you guys did sound more affected by what you were talking about so hats off to you for managing to talk about this stuff and bringing up awareness of society's views on movies
Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer quickly start taking notes on *The Legion of Decency*
I was raised Catholic and I’m also a horror fanatic. I think we’re on to something here.
I'm Catholic too. I love horror and true crime
When they said that I felt so called out lmao
i am a raised christian and i am a HUGE horror fan.
I wasn't raised Catholic but LDS/Mormon who are just 🤯🤪 not all but a lot, and my parents really hated I took interest in Horror, and my Mom specifically thought my friends were letting Satan into my life because I was listening to Marilyn Manson and watching horror, probably why even though not everyone is that kind of Religious I still lowkey don't like Christians, not proud of my prejudices but no one is perfect and I know not all Christians are that strict and bonkers but my knee jerk reaction is to group them all together
@@Werewolf914 lol grew up Mormon too, remember one time falling asleep in the living room watching The Exorcist so at some point during the night the dvd just went back to the menu, which is a picture of Regan’s demon face. Woke up to my mom screaming about feeling the presence of Satan in the house lmao 💀
"Humans are gonna human." Great quote! I'm gonna start saying this.
I usually save dead meat podcasts for when I draw (cause I want to feel good and git educated when I do) but I miss these so much for me to wait. Love the work you do James and Chelsea! Much love yall ❤
Also from my classes in prof. Ed., IQ Is just one way of quantifying a quality. Less a ruler for measuring and more a unit system like the metric or english; they depend on point of views. Like how there are other ways to measure intelligence i.e. Howard Gardener's theory of Multiple Intelligences where instead of a single score for an overall assessment, cognitive abilities are separated into categories/intelligences such as Musical, Visual/spatial, Linguistic, Intropersonal, Intrapersonal, etc.
(Just an extra bit of something to learn)
That Child’s Play 3 true crime here in England is like that story that all parents tell their kids so that they won’t wonder off.
We live in a horror based society
how are you everywhere
Justin Y.
Take a break lol.
Horror rise up!
I know fam,
Justin Y. I don’t mean to be rude. But who are you and why have you commented on every single UA-cam video ever uploaded by anyone ever
Today in the morning I said loudly, 'Man, I crave some Dead Meat!' and I was referring to this channel but my family heard it and a few minutes later my parents asked me if I was okay.
A S·A·N's Content RIP
(Double meaning lol, see the joke?)
@@WingedEternitys lol
I feel like most people don’t crave things on youtube
It's better than fresh or alive meat.
The look on James' face when discussing the murder of James Bulger made my heart sink.
i had never heard of this case before and I looked it up. That sweet little boy. I understand why Chelsea refused to speak about it. :(
Side note.. the 2 boys that murdered Jamie got out of prison and git given new identities.. the one went on to apparently be a normal dude with a normal life ...
The other one has gone back to prison twice ...for peodophilia... and apparently got released AGAIN... wtaf. .. lock him up for fking ever
@@kristenefox7001 i wish I hadn’t looked it up :(
Tod Browning was a great director. Also he’s from my hometown. Louisville, Kentucky!
Chelsea is such a queen! 🌷
to be fair I think lars von trier got in trouble last year for screening an uncut version of houses that jack built
Idk that he got in trouble for the content, i could be mixing up the articles i read but the MPAA supposedly doesnt like when people show uncut versions of films close to a theatrical release. I cant wait for that directors cut to come out, i was gonna go see it in theaters on the ond day showing, but sadly i had to work
England is GREAT at banning things - ask the puritans.
You realise we kicked the Puritans out, right? We got sick of them telling everyone else that they were doing Christianity wrong, and told them to stop trying to force everyone else to be Puritan, and then they all left for the Americas. In England, the Puritans were a tiny fringe movement that just got mocked by popular society. In the US, on the other hand...
aim-to-misbehave You missed the joke
I read somewhere (I’ll try to find it again), that viewing violent media has a correlation to slower and less severe appraisal of real violence. Basically after viewing violent media the participants who witnessed (staged) assaults took longer to intervene and rated them as less violent than participants who hadn’t seen violent media recently. So there is potential effect but it’s not the one people would think.
Key word staged... I know it's just my personal account but ive seen legit gore in real life and let me tell you seeing horror movies didnt make me any less digusted by what i saw. Also how do we know if the people in the study were equally emotionally stable? Like maybe psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists gravitate towards horror as opposed to the movies actually having any effect?
let’s goooo been on a binge of the dead meat podcast this week! Learned and laughed a lot! thank you guys
These are by far my favorite kinds of podcast episodes you guys do, thanks for this, guys!
This is one of the most interesting podcasts you guys have done. Thanks for all this info! I loved it.
I love starting off the day with this podcast, horror with my coffee and toast and a wonderful dialogue between incredible hosts. Thank you James and Chelsea (especially for your dedication to and research for the podcast).
Research episodes are my favorite! Thanks Chelsea for all your work!!!
Great podcast. When I normally click on a video that's more than 20 min I end up not watching all of it or skipping through it but it's different with your videos. No matter how long it it I end up always watching all of it and never clicking or skipping or getting board during it.
I love your guys' impressions of people angrily reviewing movies. 😂😂
Also, the amount of research you do is incredible Chelsea, you guys are amazing.
Home sick. Getta watch this, I ain't even mad. Road to 2 million here we come. Keep up the amazing work guys
it’s so thorough and well planned. always the best quality ♥️
I absolutely LOVE this. Well researched and very interesting.
This was a fascinating and insightful episode. I appreciate all the hard work. Keep it up, guys!
I’m so excited to watch this podcast! I’m in my last semester of my undergrad, and I’m planning on writing at least one of my last research papers on Satanic Panic so this is awesome. Thank you for the amazing research Chelsea!
Such a good episode! Kudos to you Chelsea on all the research. This was a great one.
Congrats on 2 million James been a fan since about 500k keep up the great work!
Congratulations on 2 million subscribers James, you absolutely deserve it with what you are doing. And thank you for what you give us.
I just love your podcasts so much. I like to listen to them when I work on my art.
Frankenstein:
I never understood why they go after the monster for killing the child.
Her father leaves her to play alone next to an open body of water, comes back to find her drowned.
He walks her dead body through town and blames an unseen killer, when he, in fact, simply fails to protect her properly.
WE know that the monster killed her, but there's no way that her father does.
PS; "Video nasties, luv!"
I'm British and I loved it.
I always come back to this podcast, one of my faves ❤️
Hot damn, what a fantastic episode. Thanks for all the research chelsea!
Wow. The work put into this was great. Great job! I loved it!
I love listening to you both while painting masks or cleaning my guitars its awesome to have some chill time while listening to *DEAD MEAT*
i feel like a lot of people are back into horror right know during the quarantine. hope there's no backlash
you put soooo much effort into these kinds of episode & it is so appreciated!!! id love to have a podcast one day like this. you’re very inspirational! such an interesting ep! my fav horror couple 🖤🖤
I love these deep dives they're so fun, Chelsea works her ass off on them. The movie review should be The Hitcher now that you haven't even heard of it James!
This was REALLY interesting! Awesome! Love how much effort you put into your content, keep going! We love some dead meeaaaaaaat *head bangs*
I'm a few years late on this one, but this was an amazing episode. The passion Chelsea puts into her research is amazingly brilliant.
Couple goals! The couple who watches horror movies together stays together! 💗
Bringing high quality content like always, you're the best.
Holy moly you're almost at 2 mill! I started watching around 200k subs man, congrats you both deserve everything you get 🦓
Grew up the most Catholic you can be raised and I'm directing my first slasher film this year. I'm so stoked. 😂
Can you say "good luck" to a director? Or are you supposed to say "break a leg" to them as well? lol
Anyway, I wish you well in your directing endeavor!
Hey, I know its been years but hows that movie going? If its out I’d like to see it!!!
So here I am, relaxing, listening to the discussion based on Chelsea's awesome research, and wondering what to comment on--Lucy, probably (we need more Lucy!)--and then I hear that James hasn't seen Peeping Tom. Sir, please watch that, like, yesterday. Also, I love the research-based episodes.
Congrats on 2 million subscribers James! Man I remember when this channel was at 40k subs :')
Holy shit.. you guys are going to crack 2 mill this week, congrats!
Congrats on the 2m subscribers !! U guys deserve it
Love this podcast every week I look forward to it would love a creepy pasta part 2
You’re at 2 mill! Been watching you since the IT miniseries and it’s been crazy how quick it’s gone
I may or may not have happy danced when I saw the title of this podcast. SO COOL AND INTERESTING!!!
2 million subscribers!!! I’m so happy for you
I miss these type of eps sooo much!
Will be listening to this tonight.
Best podcast thus far. Great work on the research.
A lot of films were re-evaluated in the UK around 1999 as the long time chairman of the BBFC which had banned a lot of this stuff retired and they belatedly got into the 20th Century. Films like the Exorcist, Evil Dead, The Devils, TCM, that had been banned for ages. By coincidence Stanley Kubrick also died, releasing the self-banned Clockwork Orange.
I know they're crazy busy with all the other aspects of the channel and life stuff going on, but I truly miss the podcast deep dives. They're my absolute favorite episodes and I wish they could do more.
Congrats on 2 mill been here since around 100k :)
Great discussion!
Also, you guys both have great voices! I could listen to you guys talk about anything haha
Just want to say congrats on hitting 2 million subs!!
Congrats on 2 mill my dude
Luv you guys!!!! Keep up the great work :)
i actually just listened to the last one, what a nice surprise, I guess double podcast heck yes
your channel had my favorite content♥️
Great episode. Interested topic. Great research too, Chelsea
Congrats on 2 mil! 🎉🎉
Congrats on 2-Million!!!!
I have a really funny story about The Exorcist:
My mom and her many siblings grew up in a very catholic home, and she and her siblings had watched the Exorcist when they were very little. Not long after watching it, while my mom was sleeping in the same room as her sister, her sister starts to have a seizure. And my mom was terrified and thought she was possessed (because the movie was so terrifying for her). In the end everything was fine, her mom came in and calmed everything down. In addition, her brother who was terrified of the film the most is now an actual priest.
Congratulations on 2 million!
It’s interesting you mentioned the tabloid backlash against Child’s Play 3, because I remember being terrified of watching the Chucky movies when I was a kid specifically because I was told they inspired the Bulger case. This would have been around 1996 or so.
My ASl teacher in High School tried to play the original A Nightmare on Elm Street in class, but it wouldn't load lol. It was October of course, and I was so sad it wouldn't play because it's my favorite classic.
Congratulations on 2 million subscribers!
HAPPY 2 MILL SUBS!!
CONGRATS ON 2 MILLION SUBS AAAAAAAAAA
Loved the podcast, you guys are so interesting to listen to! Just one quick note though, at 16:00, Chelsea you said that Tod Browning never made another motion picture after "Freaks" (1932) but he actually made four others, his last film being "Miracles for Sale" (1939).
That is correct! My mistake. I misread the material I was working from. Thanks :)
Chelsea Rebecca I can only imagine the amount of work and research you had to go through for this episode (or any episode really). So thank you for that! You guys have a nice week!
oh shit almost to 2 million subs! congrats guys! :)
Reeee 2 mil congrats dude
People today aren’t more sensitive as we were back then, BUT today we just have a way to share the stuff we are upset about and other people find it and agree with it even if it doesn’t make sense
Congratulations on 2 million subscribers James A Janisse
Congrats on 2 million
I love how you can see her hold back a chuckle at 18:01
Not even close
When Chelsea was talking about how violent films don't cause an increase in violent crimes, I flashed to Billy Loomis saying "Movies don't create psychos, movies make psychos more creative"
Loved this podcast I watched a lot off those movies as a kid child's play is one of my favourites as Friday the 13 I am from scotland England always ban movies they don't know can't wait till next week podcast
Congrats on 2M subs!
As a Slenderverse creator, I’m still pissed off about the moral panic campaign against us because of that stabbing.
Love yoy videos guys!
Was crazy when i saw the exorcist for the first time, and my when i got home, my mom was like "oh, the priest that its based on was a family friend"
I'm watching this three years to the day it was posted
The perfect alert to wake up to
extreme good podcast!