For those wondering if the scale is correct due to the window being out of proportion, I'm gonna post a sticky so I don't have to reply to each comment as it's taking too much time. The Oberth always had tiny little windows, and the Enterprise's were huge, the 3D models were designed after the blueprints. This is possibly one of the reasons we never go to see shots like these in the series. Everyone would notice the window size discrepancy. Some Trek ships are notorious for these problems such as these. Also, check this link www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/oberth-size.htm there were two versions of the Oberth. I went for the 120m which is the most widely used in the movies and series (with a few exceptions). I might do a 300 meter version for the nerds lol ;)
@@ProvVFX It's not. There's no space for the 4 shuttlecraft, and the 11 decks on the Oberth you have scaled the same size as 5 Enterprise decks. It looks like you messed up meters with feet.
@ProvVFX your explanation on window size comparisons reminds me of luxury cruise ships through the decades, with some modern ships having pretty sizeable windows, and older ones with just mere portholes for viewing.
@@Cyke101 Interesting, I didn't know that, and that makes sense. In the aviation world window dimensions have been pretty much the same, with slight slight differences of course, but never been inside a cruise ship before, only a fast ferry boat and the windows on that were very large.
I guess the Oberth's supposed turbolifts to go from primary to secondary hull fits just one person at a time, like an old school pneumatic vacuum tube.
@@Cyke101 the original designers of the Oberth saw it not as a secondary hull, but an unoccupied, fully automated sensor pod. It’s a shame later Trek writers either forgot or disregarded that detail.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated Did they? I mean I don't remember any explicit mentioning of crew regularly being in that pod below the main hull. I'd say it always were only some fans who assumed it to be a regular part of a ship. If so, then many of the fan schematics, that treat it as a regular part of a ship, can be simply disregarded.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated yes, but MSD really aren't canon. They are filled with inconsistencies and cannot be considered as accurate representations of what the characters are really looking at.
The Galaxy Class is twice as long as the original connie (which, again, is longer than the Oberth), and most of its mass is in the saucer section. Many 23rd century, and even some 24th century ships are still dwarfed by her.
@@Zephandolf It's massive indeed. Speaking of which, I wanted to get a copy of the F Enterprise model. I don't care much about nutrek, but if you thought the Ent D was large, this thing is like asteroid size.
@@ProvVFX The F, or rather the Odyssey class, is about a km (1061m) in lenght. 400m more as the Galaxy. For Fed standards quite insane indeed. 1600 crew vs 1000. Please don't call her nutrek, she is a beloved child of Star Trek Online and older (2011) as any nutrek series. Cool vid. I love ships, space and maritim over many franchises or reality.
Someone did a video showing how the entire crew could easily fit into one section of the saucer. Star Fleet really did flex when they built the Galaxy class.
I thought I saw a video somewhere saying that there were large volumes of unused modular space in the Galaxy Class designed for long-range missions that never occurred. The hull could easily accommodate 10-15 times its regular crew compliment.
Not just that, but the Galaxy was designed to be able to operate independently for decades and to be able to act as practically a mobile starbase, so it had enormous amounts of tankage and bays and supplies and material and equipment taking up the space inside that big ol' saucer.
@@CodingHaribo Yeah, that's something that was never fixed. They often showed the ships so far away you wouldn't notice. It's only when you get them up close you see the window discrepancy
Especially considering both crews would likely be expecting a collision at any second since there only appeared to be a few meters of separation. The Oberth would also be inside the Galaxy's shield bubble at this point.
Just don’t scratch it’s paint ;) It really is perfect for it’s mission profile though. Non combat roles, small, minimal logistical commitments, and saves tying up a Galaxy class for a year to …. I dunno…. Scan a comet or something starfleet like.
I think the Oberth could have benefited from a demonstration of modular pods beyond its sensor pontoon. Even the Nebula and the Miranda had different on-screen configurations.
Is the scale match-up correct? One of the Enterprise’s windows looks almost as big as the Oberth’s shuttle bay in front. And look how tiny the windows/portholes on the latter compare to the Enterprise’s. I think the Oberth class ship should be a tad bigger.
It's correct, it's just we never got to see them up close like this in the movies or the series. The Oberth's window are really that small, and the Enterprise's are that large also.
The Oberth that shows up with the Miranda and the Nebula Class Farragut always seemed somewhat surplus to requirements when it came to rescuing the Enterprise D crew in Generations, but obviously the model was available for one last ILM motion controlled shot.
@ProvVFX from the window size it looks like a big ship, Star Trek always had scaling problems, especially pre CGI. It'd be interesting to see an Oberth with properly sized windows
With this visual scale, you have to wonder if the engineering section is completely cut off from the upper part. It now doesn't look big enough for turbolifts to fit in the connecting pylons
Always preferred to think of the ship as the upper section, and any pylons are part of mission-specific pods (ie: science storage/engineering, or substituting for a construction tug by hauling large components like nacelles, etc). Mostly because the ship looks so much better without the pylons and lower section, but seems reasonable.
@@The2ndQuest me too. No one ever seems to raise that same question about the torpedo pod on the Miranda, when it seems like a torpedo bay with moving parts would definitely need to be manned, whereas for all we know the Oberth's pontoon is just sensor pallets and deuterium tanks.
I would make a guess that when the Oberth was being designed it was meant to be much bigger than what we got, then someone said that's too big make it smaller, but they had already made the model so just used long shots of it, going by the windows size i would say it should be around 250 meters long or more.
Both scores give the scene the right sense of grandeur it needs. The difference being the first one is suspenseful while the 2nd has a bit of mystery & wonder. P.S. your "camera-work" is always on point and gives the models epic scale 🔥🔥🔥
I'm not saying you have scaled it wrong in the software, but the length of the Oberth obviously needs to be adjusted in the lore, because those windows do not compare in any way imaginable.
@@Daniel-Strain It's not my model, however the blueprints show the windows to be this scale. Now, this scale issue is not as evident in the movies because we never got to see them so close to another ship like the Galaxy. If we scale up the windows outside the blueprint, it might not look cannon anymore also. But yeah, it's one of those Trek size discrepancies lol
@@ProvVFX Before everything was on computers, it was harder for sci-fi designers to always be realistic when estimating these things. I suppose we could fudge it by imagining that the windows on the Oberth are small portholes the size of one's face perhaps. Of course, we know the size of the galaxy class windows.
1. A climatic heist sneaking away from the Galaxy Class while the ship is struggling with a cyberattack leaving sensors offline and internal communications confused. 2. The Oberth is running a very specialized scan, something only ya pure science ship can do, for and anomaly that threatens the ship.
I like either score tbh. Plus, it's still amazing just how massive the Galaxy class is. Are you gonna do a side to side like y9u did with the Shangri lah class?
Wow the Oberth is the perfect Yacht ship in startrek I guess. I did not think it that small compared to the Enterprise-D. I wonder how much smaller the Defiant would be in that same pass... or maybe bigger ? Good vid, thanks !
@@ProvVFX It's too small, then. Oberths in TNG were 300m long, having four decks in the saucer section (and to prevent them from looking tiny next to Enterprise-D).
@@Jan_Strzelecki Well, there's no right or wrong answer here. You have to remember the producers used several versions. The 120m version was used often, and it's the size I scaled this on. As shown here: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/oberth-size.htm in Generations they used the 120m version at the end of Generations, which looks better to me. Same thing happened with the Bop K'vort variant. Now, my personal opinion is that a 300 meter Oberth makes no sense, unless they changed the size of those tiny windows and scaled other things up and modified the look of the ship a bit more to separate it from the 120m version, but they didn't due to budget constraints if I remember. Having said that, I might do a 300 meter version to satisfy the curious out there, but the windows will still look tiny, but I'm sure ppl going to say , "the size's is wrong" etc
@@nicholasmaude6906 This is one of them. ua-cam.com/video/MZqquxZZV1k/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared I have to look to see if I have a few more with TMP soundtracks
@@ProvVFX Out of the ST:TMP music-score the piece I like the best is "The Cloud", to be precise the first 2 minutes, 9 seconds (The rest of it is discordant and jarring).
Hmm, the BoP would be way too large to fit. I did some size by size render of the Executive shuttle trying to get inside the shuttle bay, and it barely fit, and that's a much smaller craft than the BoP
I watch this video and this is all I hear: Let me just scooch on in here, great...... hi, we've been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty.
I wish we had gotten VFX like this in TNG... the stuff they could have done in episodes would have been amazing. Then again... the writing was so bad... they probably would have squandered it.
The oberth size was way to small. You could easily compare the windows on the enterprise and see the huge difference. Again a recurring issue with these fan-made videos as amazing as they look it's always just kind of nas at the back of my head, is the size comparisons for the ships. It just kind of sucks that there isn't a canon schematic for each ship seen on screen. Oberths aren't actually that small they're actually slightly larger than the Intrepid class and slightly smaller than the Prometheus. This model makes it look about the same scale as the Raven from Voyager.
ILM had set the Oberth at 120m, which is somewhat the 'official' size. The Oberth always had small windows. Even the 300 mt version, which we got to see a few times they're tiny. I'm actually making a 300m version animation of the Oberth next to the Enterprise. So no, the fanmade animations are based on ILM's size chart, but there's no 'official' size. If you search around you'll see this is a constant dilemma, there's no right or wrong answer. Cheers.
@ProvVFX I saw your other enterprise oberth vid and that looks far more in proportion. The one constant to always remember is the average size of a human. All ILM had to do was stay consistent with that throughout the years and everything would have been fine. Your Enterprise model looks great and the Generations color palette is fantastic.
@@bridamy Thanks. It's the same size, I just use a different focal length. Yes, they messed it up not only with the Oberth, but also the BoP (K'vort class) and the USS Defiant among others.
If i recall correctly, being close to a warp nacelle is not a good idea. So, anyone in the rooms on the Enterprise near that port nacelle are very probably fried. Beautiful video, though. Always enjoy seeing your work!
@@dampnickers Nah, you're fine as long as you're not literally jumping into the plasma stream or otherwise inside the nacelle while it's running. We actually get to see the room directly forward of the plasma injectors in a TNG episode.
You may be thinking of offhand justifications sometimes said for why the pylons on the TOS Enterprise were so long (that you'd want the nacelles as far away as possible). But I think that was more of a stretch that wasn't really thought through, since doing so actually put the nacelles closer to the living areas of the saucer section.
For those wondering if the scale is correct due to the window being out of proportion, I'm gonna post a sticky so I don't have to reply to each comment as it's taking too much time. The Oberth always had tiny little windows, and the Enterprise's were huge, the 3D models were designed after the blueprints. This is possibly one of the reasons we never go to see shots like these in the series. Everyone would notice the window size discrepancy. Some Trek ships are notorious for these problems such as these.
Also, check this link www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/oberth-size.htm there were two versions of the Oberth. I went for the 120m which is the most widely used in the movies and series (with a few exceptions).
I might do a 300 meter version for the nerds lol ;)
What if you did a video with an upscaled Oberth? I think 300 meters was the where the windows made sense.
@@Mat0llig The scale is correct.
@@ProvVFX It's not. There's no space for the 4 shuttlecraft, and the 11 decks on the Oberth you have scaled the same size as 5 Enterprise decks. It looks like you messed up meters with feet.
@ProvVFX your explanation on window size comparisons reminds me of luxury cruise ships through the decades, with some modern ships having pretty sizeable windows, and older ones with just mere portholes for viewing.
@@Cyke101 Interesting, I didn't know that, and that makes sense. In the aviation world window dimensions have been pretty much the same, with slight slight differences of course, but never been inside a cruise ship before, only a fast ferry boat and the windows on that were very large.
2 seconds away from a Galaxy Quest moment.
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@@The2ndQuest 😆
Skrrrrreee!!!!!!
The second score fits better.
Excellent work as always
@@thannbanis3639 music from Innerspace by Jerry goldsmith. Goldsmith and Star Trek. They just go together.
@@RichNelson-h7m Innerspace. I immediately recognized the music and where it's from. 🙂
I guess the Oberth's supposed turbolifts to go from primary to secondary hull fits just one person at a time, like an old school pneumatic vacuum tube.
@@Cyke101 the original designers of the Oberth saw it not as a secondary hull, but an unoccupied, fully automated sensor pod. It’s a shame later Trek writers either forgot or disregarded that detail.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated Did they? I mean I don't remember any explicit mentioning of crew regularly being in that pod below the main hull. I'd say it always were only some fans who assumed it to be a regular part of a ship. If so, then many of the fan schematics, that treat it as a regular part of a ship, can be simply disregarded.
@@Lukas-Trnka I think TNG showed an MSD of the ship with regular decks in the “secondary hull”
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated yes, but MSD really aren't canon. They are filled with inconsistencies and cannot be considered as accurate representations of what the characters are really looking at.
@@starsiegeplayer look, real fans know that there’s a giant duck living on the Enterprise D. That’s just straight up facts.
I still can't believe the behemoth size of the Galaxy class. 😳
@@shadowvessel it's a city of its own
The Galaxy Class is twice as long as the original connie (which, again, is longer than the Oberth), and most of its mass is in the saucer section. Many 23rd century, and even some 24th century ships are still dwarfed by her.
@@Zephandolf It's massive indeed.
Speaking of which, I wanted to get a copy of the F Enterprise model. I don't care much about nutrek, but if you thought the Ent D was large, this thing is like asteroid size.
@@ProvVFX The F, or rather the Odyssey class, is about a km (1061m) in lenght. 400m more as the Galaxy. For Fed standards quite insane indeed. 1600 crew vs 1000. Please don't call her nutrek, she is a beloved child of Star Trek Online and older (2011) as any nutrek series. Cool vid. I love ships, space and maritim over many franchises or reality.
@@Yojinj It's a cool looking ship. I know not a lot about it, but I remember ST online. :) Need to get a model and do some animations with it. Cheers
Someone did a video showing how the entire crew could easily fit into one section of the saucer.
Star Fleet really did flex when they built the Galaxy class.
I thought I saw a video somewhere saying that there were large volumes of unused modular space in the Galaxy Class designed for long-range missions that never occurred. The hull could easily accommodate 10-15 times its regular crew compliment.
@@Zephandolf yeah I think that was "We travel by night.". And it was so that the Enterprise could evacuate like a whole colony.
Not just that, but the Galaxy was designed to be able to operate independently for decades and to be able to act as practically a mobile starbase, so it had enormous amounts of tankage and bays and supplies and material and equipment taking up the space inside that big ol' saucer.
@@MikeJF85 It apparently was designed to get its ass kicked by nearly everything that came along, too.
@@ConfirmedCynic That’s what happens when a mobile hotel goes to war.
The expression 'touching cloth' comes to mind... Also I love the second score
@@R1PPA-C Appreciate the comment!
I prefer the second one, adds mystery and it feels more "narrative". Overall, amazing!
@@meridiem Glad you liked it. That's why I added it in as it's an awesome theme and didn't want to just use one.
Very cool, I really liked this. Keep up the good work!
Thanks a lot!
The scale seems like it works, until you compare the windows between the two
@@CodingHaribo Yeah, that's something that was never fixed. They often showed the ships so far away you wouldn't notice. It's only when you get them up close you see the window discrepancy
It looks very weird seeing two starships that close to each other. 👀
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Especially considering both crews would likely be expecting a collision at any second since there only appeared to be a few meters of separation. The Oberth would also be inside the Galaxy's shield bubble at this point.
@@Orca19904 Someone in the comments mentioned Galaxy Quest. I have to admit it does remind me of that scene. 😂
If you are open to suggestions, I would like to see a similar video with the Oberth next to the main shuttle bay on top of the Galaxy's saucer.
Thanks for the idea!
Amazing how the Oberth Class seems to get a lot of hate, but I think it’s the perfect science vessel.
@@colinconnolly892 Indeed!
Just don’t scratch it’s paint ;) It really is perfect for it’s mission profile though. Non combat roles, small, minimal logistical commitments, and saves tying up a Galaxy class for a year to …. I dunno…. Scan a comet or something starfleet like.
@@colinantink9094 it needed it's own tv series
I think the Oberth could have benefited from a demonstration of modular pods beyond its sensor pontoon. Even the Nebula and the Miranda had different on-screen configurations.
Good choice of inner space music
Yea, the second one fit more with Star Trek. Loved it.
Is the scale match-up correct? One of the Enterprise’s windows looks almost as big as the Oberth’s shuttle bay in front. And look how tiny the windows/portholes on the latter compare to the Enterprise’s. I think the Oberth class ship should be a tad bigger.
It's correct, it's just we never got to see them up close like this in the movies or the series. The Oberth's window are really that small, and the Enterprise's are that large also.
The Oberth that shows up with the Miranda and the Nebula Class Farragut always seemed somewhat surplus to requirements when it came to rescuing the Enterprise D crew in Generations, but obviously the model was available for one last ILM motion controlled shot.
I never got the immense size of the D when watching TNG, but your clip really makes the comparison. Great shot.
Appreciate the comment!
It is more apparent when a Galaxy is docked at DS9.
are the windows on the oberth just portholes?
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Very nicely done! This is awesome. I prefer the second track. ❤
Yeah but look at the size of the windows on the Oberth. The windows need to be much larger to make it look the size it is.
@@manmonkee It's a typical problem in ST. We never got to see them up close, hence why it's not that noticeable. But they all have window problems.
@ProvVFX from the window size it looks like a big ship, Star Trek always had scaling problems, especially pre CGI. It'd be interesting to see an Oberth with properly sized windows
Nice. I love ship shots. Like the 2nd theme better.
Glad you liked it
It's always a pleasure to watch your animations. The sizing suggests about a ten deck high science ship.
@@Taz.B Thanks man
I recognize Inner Space OST! Very cool work
Sir the Oberth is rubbing up against us I think they want to breast feed🤣🤣
Was that the Grissom’s registry number?
The D has some big windows or the Oberth class is piloted by hamsters.
Both scores are excellent but glad you went with the first one! It really added drama and energy to the scene sir! 🖖
@@doberski6855 Glad you like it man. Yeah it was tough to choose, they both are amazing scores be Jerry.
With this visual scale, you have to wonder if the engineering section is completely cut off from the upper part. It now doesn't look big enough for turbolifts to fit in the connecting pylons
Always preferred to think of the ship as the upper section, and any pylons are part of mission-specific pods (ie: science storage/engineering, or substituting for a construction tug by hauling large components like nacelles, etc).
Mostly because the ship looks so much better without the pylons and lower section, but seems reasonable.
@@The2ndQuest me too. No one ever seems to raise that same question about the torpedo pod on the Miranda, when it seems like a torpedo bay with moving parts would definitely need to be manned, whereas for all we know the Oberth's pontoon is just sensor pallets and deuterium tanks.
@@benives254 someone is making a cut out blueprint showing how this would work. I'll see if I can find it because it makes sense once you see it.
@@ProvVFX you're the best 👌
Thanks chief
You made this?
yes (minus the models)
“Mr. Worf, did they just _scratch the paint!?_ Target all weapons and fire.”
Nah, just use the tractor beam and push it over by that little asteroid…whoops, it just got destroyed.
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What's soundtrack to first one? Both are Jerry's and second one is Innerspace.
King Solomon's Mines 😊
I would make a guess that when the Oberth was being designed it was meant to be much bigger than what we got, then someone said that's too big make it smaller, but they had already made the model so just used long shots of it, going by the windows size i would say it should be around 250 meters long or more.
Sir the Oberth is rubbing up against us I think they might try grinding on us next what are your orders sir?🤣🤣
Either soundtrack work and I dare say just some engine rumble would also work. really get a feel of scale between these two ships though!
so how many runabout's long is the Oberth class?🤔
Love it. Lightwave still rocks in good hands😎🖖
@@chrisddawson Appreciate the comment!
Both scores give the scene the right sense of grandeur it needs. The difference being the first one is suspenseful while the 2nd has a bit of mystery & wonder. P.S. your "camera-work" is always on point and gives the models epic scale 🔥🔥🔥
@@johnprudent3216 Thanks for the comment! Jerry was so good at movie scores
🤔 I like the first one. Seems like the navigator showing off! Hahaha! 😂😂😂
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I would love to see some people peering out the Galaxy's windows so we can get an even better sense of scale. The windows are HUGE.
@@Doobie6690 that would be fun lol
*Captain of the Oberth sneezes - Galaxy Class is destroyed in the explosion
So is the Oberth 120m long in this render?
About that size yep
@ProvVFX nice, thanks!
I like the second soundtrack. It gives it a Star Trek The Motion Picture vibe to it.😳
@@JGG1701 Now that you mentioned it, it does indeed!
How much damage would a core detonation of the Oberth class starship inflict upon the Galaxy class starship?
Very cool! I recognize the second piece of score, from "InnerSpace." What's the first one?
I think it might be from a film called “Capricorn one” not sure which track though
@@danielfraser6034 Damn I was wondering the same thing
@@danielfraser6034 it’s not Capricorn One but it definitely has that Goldsmith sound.
It's from King Solomon's Mines. Also from Jerry Goldsmith.
@@nel1962it's from King Solomon's Mines
I'm not saying you have scaled it wrong in the software, but the length of the Oberth obviously needs to be adjusted in the lore, because those windows do not compare in any way imaginable.
@@Daniel-Strain It's not my model, however the blueprints show the windows to be this scale. Now, this scale issue is not as evident in the movies because we never got to see them so close to another ship like the Galaxy. If we scale up the windows outside the blueprint, it might not look cannon anymore also.
But yeah, it's one of those Trek size discrepancies lol
@@ProvVFX Before everything was on computers, it was harder for sci-fi designers to always be realistic when estimating these things. I suppose we could fudge it by imagining that the windows on the Oberth are small portholes the size of one's face perhaps. Of course, we know the size of the galaxy class windows.
1. A climatic heist sneaking away from the Galaxy Class while the ship is struggling with a cyberattack leaving sensors offline and internal communications confused.
2. The Oberth is running a very specialized scan, something only ya pure science ship can do, for and anomaly that threatens the ship.
I like it!
I like either score tbh. Plus, it's still amazing just how massive the Galaxy class is. Are you gonna do a side to side like y9u did with the Shangri lah class?
I might do one yeah. Appreciate the comment!
They need to bring back art deco
*Patrick "let's take an entire city worth of square footage... ... And put it into space."
Such a shame modern Hollywood is so phobic against steady shots like this.
Wow the Oberth is the perfect Yacht ship in startrek I guess.
I did not think it that small compared to the Enterprise-D.
I wonder how much smaller the Defiant would be in that same pass... or maybe bigger ?
Good vid, thanks !
Glad you liked it. The Defiant is a bit larger than the 120m version of the Oberth)
@@ProvVFX Alright thanks.
Reminds me of those little fish that hang around much bigger fish.
Is this the 120m long Oberth?
Right
@@ProvVFX It's too small, then. Oberths in TNG were 300m long, having four decks in the saucer section (and to prevent them from looking tiny next to Enterprise-D).
@@Jan_Strzelecki Well, there's no right or wrong answer here. You have to remember the producers used several versions. The 120m version was used often, and it's the size I scaled this on. As shown here: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/oberth-size.htm in Generations they used the 120m version at the end of Generations, which looks better to me. Same thing happened with the Bop K'vort variant. Now, my personal opinion is that a 300 meter Oberth makes no sense, unless they changed the size of those tiny windows and scaled other things up and modified the look of the ship a bit more to separate it from the 120m version, but they didn't due to budget constraints if I remember.
Having said that, I might do a 300 meter version to satisfy the curious out there, but the windows will still look tiny, but I'm sure ppl going to say , "the size's is wrong" etc
The second one is from Innerspace. Don’t know where the first one is from…
@@Gardner1701 King Solomon's Mines
It's like a momma duck and her little duckling.
I'd like to see @ProVFX use one of Jerry Goldsmith's ST:TMP music scores.
Check my older animations. I've used them 😁
@@ProvVFX Which ones?
@@nicholasmaude6906 This is one of them. ua-cam.com/video/MZqquxZZV1k/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
I have to look to see if I have a few more with TMP soundtracks
@@ProvVFX Thanks.
@@ProvVFX Out of the ST:TMP music-score the piece I like the best is "The Cloud", to be precise the first 2 minutes, 9 seconds (The rest of it is discordant and jarring).
Music by: ?
Pls tell us about the Music used in this vid. Thank You.
Jerry Goldsmith. King Solomon's Mines and Innerspace. :)
I thought it was actually going to dock.
Just shows how giant the Galaxy class is, and it's small compared to the D'deridex
There are comics that propose that the Bird of Prey from Star Trek 4 fit into the shuttle bay of the Enterprise-A. What's your take on that?
Hmm, the BoP would be way too large to fit. I did some size by size render of the Executive shuttle trying to get inside the shuttle bay, and it barely fit, and that's a much smaller craft than the BoP
Ahhhh, that moma starship gave birth a baby starship
@@Lorem_ipsum_dolor_sit_amet lol
Why do I hear nails on a chalkboard?
"dont talk to my son or me ever again"
I watch this video and this is all I hear:
Let me just scooch on in here, great...... hi, we've been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty.
Second score was the best.
Crazy...
Don’t scrape the paint!
Innerspace!
OK but who's insurance is going to cough up ?
"Are you in good hands" lol (not a good insurer btw
The Galaxy is more of a star base with a warp drive. They even has that massive internal hanger bay like a star base.
I wish we had gotten VFX like this in TNG... the stuff they could have done in episodes would have been amazing. Then again... the writing was so bad... they probably would have squandered it.
@@christopherrobin4619 I'd have loved to see that. I remember as a kid I wanted them to get close to other dhips.
Hot damn. The work you put in isn't even funny.
Thank you so much.
Watch the paint job!
The oberth is too small. Its a very tiny ship.but not so tiny.
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The Enterprise D is MAssive....Truly Massive. But then how big is a D'Deridex compared to the Big E
Oberths have shuttle bays?!
The main shuttle bay is at the front of the ship. A type 7 should fit in there.
(As whole crew leans starboard
Algo no cuadra. O las ventanas del Oberth son muy pequeñas o las del Enterprise, muy grandes.
@@TheMisterBlackJack It's both. Mainly a scale problem from the original designers. Hence why we never got to see scenes like these in TNG etc
@@ProvVFX Me parece muy lógica tu respuesta. Larga vida y prosperidad.
One touch it will explode
Gunner target engine only.
The oberth size was way to small. You could easily compare the windows on the enterprise and see the huge difference. Again a recurring issue with these fan-made videos as amazing as they look it's always just kind of nas at the back of my head, is the size comparisons for the ships. It just kind of sucks that there isn't a canon schematic for each ship seen on screen. Oberths aren't actually that small they're actually slightly larger than the Intrepid class and slightly smaller than the Prometheus. This model makes it look about the same scale as the Raven from Voyager.
ILM had set the Oberth at 120m, which is somewhat the 'official' size. The Oberth always had small windows. Even the 300 mt version, which we got to see a few times they're tiny.
I'm actually making a 300m version animation of the Oberth next to the Enterprise. So no, the fanmade animations are based on ILM's size chart, but there's no 'official' size. If you search around you'll see this is a constant dilemma, there's no right or wrong answer.
Cheers.
@ProvVFX I saw your other enterprise oberth vid and that looks far more in proportion. The one constant to always remember is the average size of a human. All ILM had to do was stay consistent with that throughout the years and everything would have been fine. Your Enterprise model looks great and the Generations color palette is fantastic.
@@bridamy Thanks. It's the same size, I just use a different focal length. Yes, they messed it up not only with the Oberth, but also the BoP (K'vort class) and the USS Defiant among others.
The WINDOWS don't match in scale
Hahahahhaha dang
If i recall correctly, being close to a warp nacelle is not a good idea. So, anyone in the rooms on the Enterprise near that port nacelle are very probably fried.
Beautiful video, though. Always enjoy seeing your work!
@@dampnickers Nah, you're fine as long as you're not literally jumping into the plasma stream or otherwise inside the nacelle while it's running. We actually get to see the room directly forward of the plasma injectors in a TNG episode.
Even if this were true, I don't think it would be the case all of the time, even when the ship isn't at warp.
You may be thinking of offhand justifications sometimes said for why the pylons on the TOS Enterprise were so long (that you'd want the nacelles as far away as possible). But I think that was more of a stretch that wasn't really thought through, since doing so actually put the nacelles closer to the living areas of the saucer section.