Moving to Portugal in 2024: How Much Does it REALLY Cost?

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  • @rabukan5842
    @rabukan5842 Місяць тому +28

    I am American who has been living abroad for 20 years. From experience and observation, I would never purchase a house in a country I have not lived in for at least 6 months - 1 year... preferably more. For me, the best way to move to a foreign country is to rent in different areas over a year or two to get a feel for each area. Rents in Europe can be very cheap compared to the US, so why rush? The logistics of purchasing from abroad can become a nightmare, and for most, purchasing a home is too big an investment to just jump the gun on. Take your time, unless you are looking at it as a rental property, then location considerations are more about the best opportunities to rent the home out than to live in. Also, don't ship cars or furniture to that country. Just purchase in the country. I know people who shipped cars and motorcycles only to find out that after the customs taxes, VAT, conversion costs, crating/shipping, etc. they could have purchase brand new or slightly used for far less, and ended up with a vehicle that is proper for that country. Also, forget appliances from the US unless the appliance is 220v capable. In other words, forget scouting trips. Just move with as little as possible, explore and enjoy the country first, then make your bigger moves in steps once you have the proper information from which to act. Just my humble opinion.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  Місяць тому +1

      Thanks for watching and we agree with most everything. For us - and maybe not for everyone - it made sense to buy when we did, but we understand that for many people, especially those that haven’t done extensive scouting, renting and then deciding where to buy is the best option. Fully agree on not shipping things. Time and time again we talk with people who shipped from the US or UK and then ended up getting rid of things anyway. Better to purge and start fresh.

    • @rabukan5842
      @rabukan5842 Місяць тому +4

      @@TheUnretirees As you do say, each situation is different, but yes, it's so different from moving to another state. Better to go minimalist. Very few cultures are as consumerist as the US. We just don't need all that stuff, IMHO. :) Very informative work on these videos. Thank you.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  Місяць тому +1

      lol, it is so very different than just moving to a different state! Thanks again!

    • @leegarza3986
      @leegarza3986 21 день тому +4

      Exactly what I would do. Americans want to come here and buy and try to make money. Damn, greed gets old. Just relax and enjoy the country and its people.

  • @HowardIraSeeit
    @HowardIraSeeit 5 місяців тому +33

    We spent about 7k on our first trip which was 35 days long and included one week in the Azores. On this trip we made an offer on a house in a small village in central PT. Our second trip was about 120 days later and on that trip we closed on our home and moved in within 7 days of arriving in the country. The home came with everything in it including way more furniture as well as linens and kitchenware than we would ever need, we donated some of the excess to the community and bought only new beds for each room. We spent 75 days on the second trip and are currently back in the US. On this second trip we purchased a very nice used car. We have tickets for the end of this month (July) and will stay 86 days this trip and when we return after this trip we will apply for our visas. Our total expenses are just over $100,000 including the house, the car, and all travel expenses. Our house is about 1,200 sq ft and is an old farm house in excellent living condition the property also includes a second home the same size that has a good roof and walls but in need of a full restoration, there is a habitation license on each and a very nice 3,500 sq meter land with established fruit trees, olives, grapes, oranges, cherries, etc. we did everything ourselves such as NIF and bank account along with help from our estate agent. We have found the experience to be very fulfilling life experience. This upcoming trip will be our first summer month and we are looking forward to our first trip devoted to relaxation only.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for watching @SarahDeshay and congratulations! There are some great places in central Portugal and I hope the next trip and the visas go smoothly! We had very little drama with our visas, so we’ll hope the same for you!

    • @angypapa2191
      @angypapa2191 Місяць тому

      Hello Sara. Which part of Portugal did you move to? I'm looking to relocate from the UK

    • @corbinprydwen4130
      @corbinprydwen4130 26 днів тому +1

      This sounds like heaven. I don’t like fast pace hustle and bustle! A farm with fruit trees and a garden! ❤❤❤ heaven!

  • @odetemoura6786
    @odetemoura6786 2 місяці тому +59

    I am Portuguese, lived in various countries in diferent continents, including USA. I have an advice for Americans, do not move permanently to any country, before you lived there. Remember, Portugal is part of the EU so you better check the laws. From experience, I would not bring electric appliances, furniture, unless it is a family heirloom or a car, from USA or worst from a country with, left side steering wheel. Remember, if you move believing you will find a USA version in that country, it is not going to happen. You have to be open and ready for a change, 'downsize', if not ,your are going to be miserable. If your only incentive to move is low cost of living, do not MOVE. You can move to another state.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  2 місяці тому +3

      All good advice @odetemoura6786 ! Thanks for watching!

    • @cpdrey5985
      @cpdrey5985 2 місяці тому +3

      Spot on! Totally agree 👍

    • @Blue_Dun
      @Blue_Dun 12 днів тому

      What if your incentive is a sort of "political asylum" because a certain president and his red hat party are going to rip away our constitution and turn our political system upside down

    • @TomBTerrific
      @TomBTerrific 3 дні тому

      You’re absolutely right. Unfortunately it seems people don’t use their brains and tend to let their imagination and fairytale mentality guide them. Perhaps that’s the reason they are in the condition they are in to start with.

    • @stefan9198
      @stefan9198 День тому

      "...or worst from a country with, left side steering wheel." In Portugal, people drive on the right-hand side of the road, just like in the USA. Therefore, I would prefer a vehicle with a left-hand steering wheel. 🙂

  • @kathleenkalt3852
    @kathleenkalt3852 Місяць тому +6

    That was eye-opening. I've been watching videos about moving to Portugal from the U.S. for a few years and this was the most comprehensive regarding upfront costs.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  Місяць тому

      Thanks…it really was the video we wished had been around when we were planning our move. No doubt, the biggest cost was the scouting trips and one could move without doing as many as we did, but we don’t regret it on this side of the move.

  • @wallywal6139
    @wallywal6139 5 місяців тому +16

    All in all a pretty accurate cost assessment. We're in the process of moving to Portugal from the southwest US so our travel costs have been a lot more but the rest of our expenses have been in line with yours. We purchased a house that we closed on 8 months ago and fortunately it was furnished so at least we have something to start with. Our house in Portugal is much smaller than our house in the US so nearly everything will be sold. Furniture is much more expensive in Portugal and we'll be in a village and not a city so we need a car. Importing a car from the US can have issues. The car has to be modified to meet their specs and sometimes it never passes inspection and all of this takes a very long time. Save yourself the trouble and buy a car in Portugal unless you're already coming from the EU and be prepared for the cost. Thanks for the video, I learned a few things!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching @wallywal6139 and good luck on the rest of your move! Yes, shipping a car is not for the faint of heart for sure. Even cars purchased in Spain need modifications and money! We didn’t do it and unless you have an emotional attachment to a car, it’s likely best to sell it in the home country and buy something here, if you need it. Thanks for the added info!

  • @TravlwithMJ
    @TravlwithMJ Місяць тому +11

    This video really resonated with me. We are Americans that moved to Lisbon officially in June 2024. Although we are renting, we experienced all the things you shared. It certainly has been eye opening and far more costly than we expected. So far we love it and are happy with our choices but I do wish we had information like this prior to our move. If you come to Lisbon please reach out, we’d love to meet for cocktails and share stories. Thanks for sharing!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  Місяць тому

      Yes! We’d love to connect next time we’re in Lisbon and hear more about your experience. Feel free to email us at hello@theunretirees to connect. Thanks for watching!

    • @corbinprydwen4130
      @corbinprydwen4130 26 днів тому

      ❤❤❤❤

    • @AnnGagnon-k3m
      @AnnGagnon-k3m 15 днів тому

      You guys love to suffer. Just rent!!!

  • @ervie60
    @ervie60 3 місяці тому +8

    I read some comments about buying a property in Portugal.
    Best tips I can give are two:
    1) Get your own lawyer specialized in real estate. Agents get their money from the seller, one of them even admitted they have a conflict of interest with the buyer.
    2) Find an architect or construction engineer to inspect the property prior to buying or sign a CPVC. Be warned the building quality can be awfull and masked by a quick make-over renovation that hides humidity/mold problems.
    Do not rely on a notary to check paperwork and licences!

  • @RushmoorFizzbomb
    @RushmoorFizzbomb 5 місяців тому +9

    In regards importing a car to Portugal, you can obtain a vat and IMT(car duty) exemption certificate when you have your interview to get your Visa.
    The exemption applies to household goods including one vehicle per person that must have been owned and registered in the originating country of the applicant for a minimum period of possibly 6 or 12 months prior to importation. You will have to check. Different time periods are stated on different sources. The process is quite complex and it probably would be best to talk to ACP ( equivalent of AAA or AA) in Portugal.
    There is a 5 year tapered VAT clawback if you sell your car within this period. After 5 years you are free entirely to sell without vat liability.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +2

      Thanks for watching and for the additional info @RushmoorFizzbomb

    • @zairoart
      @zairoart 5 місяців тому +1

      I understand the car is considered "a used car" after 6 months on the road and the cost drops considerably when you're moving permanently to Portugal.
      A car can be shipped in a container with all the furniture and household goods. Just 5 years ago a friend and her husband shipped two cars and all the contents of their house from Massachusetts to Portugal (Alentejo region) for $10,000. They paid a small tax amount. The registration cost is higher than in the Northeast.

  • @lindadorman2869
    @lindadorman2869 5 місяців тому +6

    Really helpful information that can apply to moving to other countries as well as Portugal. People underestimate the money, time and effort it requires to move abroad. It's not as easy as moving within the same country. Thanks for sharing a realistic assessment of the costs involved!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching @lindadorman2869 and we appreciate the kind words!

  • @ivonan919
    @ivonan919 5 місяців тому +8

    I enjoy watching your videos! Thank you for all your tips!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching @ivonan919 and we’re glad these are helpful!

  • @MicheleDAcosta
    @MicheleDAcosta 21 день тому +1

    You're a beautiful couple, and your kindness and generosity shine through in every video you share. Wishing you an abundance of joy, health, and a touch of magical good fortune. I’m currently preparing for my move to Portugal, and I’m so glad to have discovered you! I look forward to following your inspiring journey.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  19 днів тому +1

      Thanks so much for watching and your kind words. Hoping your move goes smoothly!

  • @MichaelTroper
    @MichaelTroper 5 місяців тому +8

    Very informative. Thanks.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching @user-yu2qk8yx9c

  • @nikij.6058
    @nikij.6058 5 місяців тому +6

    Thanks for sharing. Seems like it may be better to rent to begin with, then find a home to reduce trips, etc…

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +2

      Thanks for watching @nikij.6058 and a lot of people do rent for a year or more before buying (if they buy at all). We don’t regret buying as we did because rates were still low, exchange rates were attractive, and we had firmly decided on an area to live. It also allowed us to rent it out before we moved so we didn’t face the double rent situation. But most people rent to start for sure.

  • @MirandaHorger
    @MirandaHorger 5 місяців тому +4

    Wow, what great information! Like you said, this is the video you wish you had had... I haven't seen anyone else break it down like this. Really great things to consider, plus info in the comments.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching @MirandaHorger. The living here is great….the getting here was a bit expensive, lol.

  • @katdodd5801
    @katdodd5801 4 місяці тому +3

    One of the better informational videos I've seen. Thank you 😊

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  4 місяці тому

      Thanks for watching @katdodd5801 and it’s what I wished we could have watched before we moved! We don’t regret moving for sure, but it would have helped in our planning.

  • @Sassari2930
    @Sassari2930 8 днів тому +1

    Excellent video, one of the best I’ve seen !

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  8 днів тому

      Thanks for watching! It certainly cost more than we expected, though a lot of that was us doing multiple scouting trips and needing to furnish. But it's not for the faint-hearted for sure.

  • @tbbarabara
    @tbbarabara 5 місяців тому +13

    I did everything myself in 2019. I did this before I left the US so I had the visa when I arrived. The process was a little tedious but not difficult. When I arrived in Portugal, I picked up my NIF, etc. during the first four months I was in Portugal. My issue was dealing with lies from people especially in the real estate business in Portugal. I have been traveling the world for the last couple of years because dealing with liers is down right boring. Hope others don't have the same experience. Only go with the top international RE agencies unless you now many people who have used a local agency successfully.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for watching @user-cn5ri5 and now they require the NIF as part of the visa process. It is still possible to get a NIF without going thru a third party like Bordr but you need to get one while you are visiting Portugal and have an address in Portugal (or have a friend who will be your representative and who has an address in Portugal). Sorry to hear of your troubles with the real estate people. We had such a good experience with ours, but I’m sure there are plenty of shady people. Best of luck in your travels!

    • @antoniodasilva1230
      @antoniodasilva1230 5 місяців тому

      Dude it's basically the same bullshit if you move from Europe our Portugal into the USA you think that my parents back in 1980 didn't have to spend thousands of dollars and deal with shaddy Americans and the American immigrating bureaucracy Shananagas it's all the same no body is getting a special treatment for whatever your nationality is

  • @vickie3237
    @vickie3237 4 місяці тому +2

    Thank you for this! You’re never to old!!!

  • @stevenmeeks1081
    @stevenmeeks1081 12 днів тому +1

    very helpful and comprehensive review......thanks

  • @Mialovesphoto
    @Mialovesphoto 5 місяців тому +8

    Yes!! A video please on moving your dog!!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +3

      Thanks for watching @Mialovesphoto and, yes, doing a video on the process of getting Riley to Portugal would be good. Thanks for the suggestion!

    • @Chengst34
      @Chengst34 4 місяці тому +3

      @@TheUnretireeswould really love to hear more about moving your dog. We have two Great Pyrenees that will be coming with us!

    • @nopenever6214
      @nopenever6214 Місяць тому

      Yes, I have three large fur babies!

    • @donnavoigt3261
      @donnavoigt3261 6 днів тому

      Definitely need to learn about the process of getting 2 small dogs to Portugal. Thanks!!

  • @kenyacarl3626
    @kenyacarl3626 10 днів тому +1

    Wonderful presentation and information and yes, I’m scared 😨 off now;-)

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  10 днів тому

      Well, we scouting trips and furnishings were where a lot of $ went. It is possible to do it with just one scouting trip and to rent a furnished apartment to start…then the biggest “expense” is funding a bank account - but that money frees up once you’ve had your final immigration meeting. Best of luck!

  • @annelizevandyk2825
    @annelizevandyk2825 4 місяці тому +3

    I would love a video on the social aspect of moving to Portugal. How easy or difficult it is to make friends.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  4 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for watching @annelizevandy2825 and that’s a good idea. In many places in Portugal, there are expat meetups and everyone is in a similar situation having relocated to Portugal, so making friends there is easy. Also, if you are so inclined, some churches have English services, so another great place. In terms of making friends with someone who is Portuguese, we haven’t been able to do that but we also need to be better about learning and speaking Portuguese.

  • @hikergirl603
    @hikergirl603 5 місяців тому +5

    Good information. We spent about $40k to move and get set up in PT. We left a year later and got back about 50% of that by selling the car, furniture, and getting our rental deposit back. We try to think of the remaining $20k as the price of a year-long vacation in Europe. Even though we didn't like living in Portugal, we're glad we tried. We're especially glad we didn't buy a home in PT and kept our US home, cars, etc. We came back to the states, unlocked the front door and we were home! If you have the means to try, go for it but keep in mind that over 50% of expats leave within the first year and about 80% leave before five years. It isn't for most of us. We're proof. We didn't like it at all (after the first month or so).

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for watching @hikergirl603 and sorry that Portugal didn’t work out for you. We love it so far (more than 8 months in). Hope you’ve found (or returned) to your happy place!

    • @christobar
      @christobar 4 місяці тому +1

      What ended up changing your mind about staying?

    • @GLifestyle50
      @GLifestyle50 Місяць тому +1

      Same here.. after for 8 months we decided to come back home. I do love Portugal only for Vacation.

    • @alsteeves2044
      @alsteeves2044 10 днів тому

      That is very enlightening. We visited the Algarve for about a month. Yes full time is another story. Thank you

  • @laura_and_shanman
    @laura_and_shanman 5 місяців тому +1

    "There will be unexpected things that will be out of your control." = always - GREAT job!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +1

      lol @laura_and_shanman and the unexpected happens again and again!

  • @irbivor
    @irbivor 4 дні тому +1

    Is there a downside to moving first and then applying for visas once there? Also please do the video on moving with your pets (we have cats and a dog!). Thanks for the useful information.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  4 дні тому

      Thanks for watching! The downside of moving first is that if you’re from the U.S., you can stay only 90 days in any 180 day period. Also, you will need to apply for visas in person in a US office. Finally, you won’t know that you are approved until you are approved…it could come back rejected. In terms of moving with pets, we have a video: ua-cam.com/video/8sa023cvXsQ/v-deo.htmlsi=E9oM8XfPceWeXfph

  • @donnal7414
    @donnal7414 5 місяців тому +4

    One major thing that was not mentioned was the hit you take when converting your U.S. dollar to euros.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +2

      Yep, that’s true @donnal7414 and at the moment it’s about $1.07 for €1, but that changes over time. When we moved the bulk of funds over to buy our home in Sep/Oct 2022, there were a few magical weeks where the dollar was stronger than the Euro, so it was great for us. But that was an unusual few weeks.

  • @SenorAspie
    @SenorAspie 3 місяці тому +1

    When you have citizenship (something you have to look into) , your health info and bank card # are on your cartao citadao (citizen card). Once you have your citizen card, transactions and healthcare are so easy to get.

  • @leahhart8484
    @leahhart8484 5 днів тому

    Really enjoying your informative videos. We have a Bernedoodle That we want to bring with us from Seattle. Would appreciate any information. Son is researching pup flights. Thanks so much!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  4 дні тому

      Thanks for watching and we have a video about moving a pet to Portugal right here: How to Move to Portugal With Your Pet (4 Steps)
      ua-cam.com/video/8sa023cvXsQ/v-deo.html

  • @ganymeade5151
    @ganymeade5151 4 місяці тому +3

    The cheapest way to move is to leave most of your stuff here and move to a furnished apartment overseas. You might consider renting your house.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  4 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for watching and it certainly is cheaper to not ship anything. While we were able to leave all our furniture because our US place is a short-term rental now, there are some hassles (and maybe cash flow issues) of being a landlord to a property that is an ocean away. We have found it expensive to have to hire a handyman to do simple things that we would have done ourselves, for example.

  • @FakeSquid
    @FakeSquid 10 днів тому +1

    Thank you! Could you please summarize the method you used for relocating your dog (and how big your dog is)? My spouse and I are in the process of doing this and want to make sure we're going the most sensible route.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  10 днів тому

      Thanks for watching! We actually did a whole video on the process for relocating our pooch: ua-cam.com/video/8sa023cvXsQ/v-deo.htmlsi=EQpEAIWzMSXgSZxB

  • @alsteeves2044
    @alsteeves2044 10 днів тому +1

    Great rundown. Really like you guys, must be the similarity in age. The comment section is a laugh. Anyway, seen the Algarve, next stop the Silver Coast. Keep well
    Subscribed😅

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  9 днів тому +1

      Thanks for watching and some of the comments are … great :). The Silver Coast has a different vibe from the Algarve for sure!

  • @Ce8880
    @Ce8880 2 місяці тому +3

    very informative

  • @donkraus1991
    @donkraus1991 16 днів тому +2

    Rent for a year in big city and find your next more permanent place during the year. Rent cars when you need one. Keep it simple. Keep airplane trips back and forth minimal. Everything takes time and so relax! Have fun and a toast for the adventure!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  16 днів тому

      Thanks for watching and for a lot of people that makes sense! We're not disappointed we did it the way we did, but it's not the best for everyone.

  • @RobRVA
    @RobRVA 24 дні тому +2

    Do you carry your health insurance from the US or go through the Portuguese health system? Also did you use a Portuguese realtor or guide to show you potential cities and houses or do it all on your own? Do you have a video specifically about bringing your pet over? We have four cats I'd be terrified for them to go in cargo hold on the plane. Do you mind if I ask your ages? Sorry for so many questions. Really enjoying your videos just scratching the surface of them. Great information.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  23 дні тому +3

      Thanks for watching! In order to get your visa approved, you have to have private health insurance that covers Portugal (and includes shipping you back to your home country if you fall really ill). Once we were in Portugal, we switched to a Portuguese private health insurance (which was cheaper). Once you have residency approved, you can, if you wish, just rely on the public health care system, which costs $0. In terms of realtors, in general a broker who is with a firm (like ReMax or Century 21) will only show you homes that they represent...so we picked cities we were interested in, and then had different agents show us homes in those cities -- in some cities we needed two or three different agents. It's more complicated for sure. You can hire a buyer's agent (which we didn't do but should have considered) who is independent from the brokerage firms and he/she can show you any homes. Finally, in terms of pets, yes, we have a video called "How to Move to Portugal With Your Pet" here on this UA-cam channel. Cats you can bring onto the plane under your seat (I don't know about 4), but we didn't have any trouble bringing our dog and having him stowed with the luggage in his crate. Best of luck!

    • @RobRVA
      @RobRVA 23 дні тому

      ​@@TheUnretirees Thank you for the response and suggestions! As for the cats if necessary we would do two trips or whatever it took. My babies!

  • @kmgameiro3036
    @kmgameiro3036 Місяць тому +3

    ask any portuguese how it is when they want to come to the usa?
    and how long it takes to get any visa
    you are so lucky please dont complain

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  Місяць тому

      Thanks for watching and we have no complaints.

  • @RoadrunnersOfCA
    @RoadrunnersOfCA 21 день тому +1

    Thank you for this extremely informative video!
    My spouse and I are about your age, and we've been looking into health insurance, but it's so expensive! I was shocked to hear of the affordable plan you have! May I ask what company it's through?
    We are healthy and can pay out of pocket for routine check-ups. Looking for the bare-bone requirements to satisfy the visa rules.
    Thanks! 😊

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  19 днів тому +1

      Thanks for watching. The visa requirement is different than what you would have once you’re here. We use Medis for health care and then added a medical concierge service, Serenity. We did use a broker for getting our health insurance. Best of luck!

    • @RoadrunnersOfCA
      @RoadrunnersOfCA 19 днів тому

      @TheUnretirees Thank you so much!!! Much appreciated!!!

  • @rosed.2605
    @rosed.2605 2 місяці тому +1

    Can you provide a breakdown of everyday living expenses including deposits and monthly costs for utilities, internet, mobile, insurance (health and home owners), annual property taxes, and costs/process to get a drivers license?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  2 місяці тому

      Maybe in the future but it’s less expensive for many things here but not all. For example, internet + cable + 2 mobile phone lines is €65. Property taxes are approx 0.2% of a home’s value. Health insurance for public health care is $0 and for private health care can run from €50/mon to €200/mon depending on a lot of factors.

  • @TheGlobalNobles
    @TheGlobalNobles 5 місяців тому +2

    Great video!!!!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching and your kind words!

  • @itsthegoodstuff
    @itsthegoodstuff 5 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the details. Also consider your heritage. Maybe you qualify for a Euro passport. Granddad from euro? I think you need longer to first figure out a region and then figure out a town. Only then start looking at places. No point in falling for a house in a location that it turns out later you hate. The house better be great because you won't be leaving it. You would need way more time for France/Italy since they have so many such distinct regions. You really do need to find a region, find a town and only then start looing for a house. So many many weeks needed. Also summer vs fall. Are you ready for the heat of the summer, the cold of the winter? How much for electrical prices during summer days when you want A/C? Many of the villages around Lake Como are deserted in the winter. Your dream lake front place in July might be an abandoned town for months of the winter. Strong yes on manual transmission in cars. You will be paying more across Europe to rent cars if you can only handle automatic. If your older think of the nearest medical care. That remote cottage that looks across a valley is very pretty until you need an ambulance and its 90 min's away so your three hours from a hospital. Repair work needed? Don't bring USA presumptions on time and cost. Expect everyone in town to know that yanks bought the Sainz family place and so you will be the talk of the town for the next month. Everyone will be looking for history and motive. Chapter marks please.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +2

      Thanks for watching @itsthegoodstuff and for all the additional things to consider.

  • @FC-rg1vk
    @FC-rg1vk 4 місяці тому +1

    Totally makes sense all the costs. Keeping it real!

  • @jayc.9475
    @jayc.9475 10 днів тому +1

    I was looking seriously into moving to Portugal as a retiree recently and even booked a long scouting trip but then I found out that the tax benefits for passive income have ended and as far as I understand the tax on my small monthly income of about €11,500 would have over a 26% tax. That means I would be losing over a quarter of my income every month and having to set that aside to pay taxes every year. I really wanted to move to Portugal but I am looking at countries like Greece now instead. Greece has a 7% flat tax on passive pension income.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  10 днів тому

      There is talk of reviving some sort of version of NHR, the package of tax benefits designed to attract expats, but it hasn’t happened yet. Best of luck - Greece isn’t a bad option!!

  • @TheStunlaw1
    @TheStunlaw1 3 місяці тому +4

    Crikey. !How many more "retirees" are moving to Portugal and making videos about it sending real estate prices skyrocketing ?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  3 місяці тому

      Thanks for watching @TheStunlaw1 .

  • @DouglasGiglio-u3r
    @DouglasGiglio-u3r 17 днів тому +1

    I’m for the US and I’m interested in more information on the process of moving your dog. How specifically did they get there? I’m not a fan of putting my pet in a cargo hold on a plane and she’s too big to be allowed in the plane. Thanks in advance

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  17 днів тому

      Thanks for watching and we have a whole video on moving a pet from the US to Portugal. We did put our dog in the luggage hold and it worked well for us, but check out the video as we go into the various options. ua-cam.com/video/8sa023cvXsQ/v-deo.html

    • @DouglasGiglio-u3r
      @DouglasGiglio-u3r 17 днів тому

      Thank you

  • @EenieNene
    @EenieNene 9 годин тому +1

    I have an EU passport and dont plan on buying a house, I plan on renting a furnished apartment in the Gaia or Porto area for at least 6 months to start out.
    I will keep my Medicare part A for visits to the US but will probably let my Part B go.
    I don't believe I will need any visas to live in Portugal with the EU passport but are there any other hidden costs I should be aware of?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  7 годин тому

      Thanks for watching and as a non-expert, out understanding is that with an EU passport you just need to register with the Finançes office (online or in person), which is free. Otherwise, we can’t think of any costs. Thanks for watching!

  • @FilipeCardoso1
    @FilipeCardoso1 13 днів тому +1

    Come live in São João de Ver, it's cheaper(an 3 room apartment is 140k euros) and is 20 minutes from Oporto!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  12 днів тому

      Thanks for watching. Looks lovely but we’re happy where we are in Nazaré!

    • @FilipeCardoso1
      @FilipeCardoso1 12 днів тому

      Nazaré is very nice.​@@TheUnretirees

  • @tonistojcev6281
    @tonistojcev6281 5 місяців тому +2

    Love the video. Me and my family moving there next year. Can I ask you a question? You might know or not the answer but no big deal. If we move there n we have address to provide to the government is that good enough? My cousin have family members that live there? What do they need to give us for us to prove that we will stay there ?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +2

      Thanks for watching @tonistojcev6281 and we’re not experts but I believe you would need you and whomever you would be planning to live with complete a TERMO DE RESPONSABILIDADE form. It is basically someone saying to the government that they are taking you in. We didn’t do it so I’d love to hear from someone else who has needed to do this. Thanks!

  • @trickshots7188
    @trickshots7188 Місяць тому +1

    I love the simplicity of Portugal. I am european btw

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  Місяць тому

      We love it too! We’re “becoming” European!

  • @gailna3325
    @gailna3325 23 дні тому +2

    You never mentioned the required deposit for Portugal. Either $250-$500,000?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  22 дні тому +1

      Thanks for watching. If you are moving to Portugal in a D-7 visa (retirement visa) there is an amount you need to put into an Portuguese bank account-it’s your money but it needs to be in the account and we talk about that in this video. The $250-500,000 only comes into play if you are trying to gain residency thru the golden visa program. If you’re doing a D7, it doesn’t apply. Thanks!

  • @josecastro3521
    @josecastro3521 2 дні тому +1

    NIF - Numero de Identificação Fiscal (Tax Identification Number)

  • @S.L.S-407
    @S.L.S-407 23 години тому +1

    I heard that some European countries will expect seniors to pay taxes on the pensions they get from their home country. Know anything about that?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  20 годин тому +1

      Thanks for watching and taxation is a really important to research before making a final decision. It looks to us that government pensions are not taxed here but social security is. We’re not yet collecting social security so this is just from a web search. However, it’s a good thing to speak with a tax expert like FreshIP before making a final decision.

    • @S.L.S-407
      @S.L.S-407 6 годин тому

      @@TheUnretirees TY

  • @risefcoetzee3776
    @risefcoetzee3776 3 місяці тому +2

    Super useful information. Thanks for sharing!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  3 місяці тому

      Thanks so much and thanks for watching @risefcoetzee3776 !

  • @tomead
    @tomead Місяць тому +1

    I would love to know more about moving the dog. We will be moving with 3 dogs and 4 cats. Can 2 small dogs be in one crate? And also can more than 1 cat be in a single crate?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  Місяць тому +1

      That’s a great question. I don’t know the answer about more than one pet in a crate, but we do have a full video about moving with a pet. Hope it helps. Thanks for watching!

  • @Lanscape81
    @Lanscape81 13 днів тому +1

    Is purchasing property a requirement for a D7 visa?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  12 днів тому

      Thanks for watching…and no, purchasing a property is not a requirement. The requirement is that you have a place to live…so that can be a purchase or a lease to rent.

  • @loriwitte4754
    @loriwitte4754 Місяць тому +2

    Number one is misleading as only 2k is an actual cost and 13k is just cash on hand for a bank account not a cost. Correct?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  Місяць тому +1

      We’re not sure it’s misleading since Matt says “It’s your money, it doesn’t go away, you just need to have it in the bank account” in talking about funding the bank account as part of the D7. It is real money, though, that you need to have and can set aside for this process, even if later you can spend it. Thanks for watching!

  • @HissingKitty2008
    @HissingKitty2008 13 днів тому +1

    So it’s an initial investment of 15,000 non refundable dollars per person?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  12 днів тому

      Thanks for watching and once you have your AIMA meeting you don’t need to keep that money in there, so you can spend it down or transfer it out.

  • @AuroraBazanMemories
    @AuroraBazanMemories 3 місяці тому +1

    Can you address shipping a pet? 🐈🐕‍🦺Love the detail and how you think through things.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  3 місяці тому +1

      Sure -- maybe we'll do a video on it, but it's a bit complicated. There are a few tricks. First, Portugal has a very specific examination and communication scheme for a pet.
      * You need to work with a US vet who is USDA certified (ours was not so we had to go to a different vet than normal).
      * The pet needs a specific microchip that is probably different than what it has in the US (ours now has two microchips), and you need to get a microchip certificate from the vet. The microchip needs to be implanted before this next step
      * The pet needs to get a new rabies vaccine at least 21 days before you travel to Portugal, unless it has had one within one year of your arrival date. (Note that it doesn't matter if the rabies vaccine doesn't expire for another year or two...it only matters when the last vaccine was given - between 21 days and one year of arrival.)
      * The pet needs an exam by a USDA-certified vet within 30 days of travel and the vet needs to send a Health Certificate to the USDA within 10 days of arrival.
      * The USDA will return the Health Certificate within 72 hours of arrival (this is really unnecessarily tight, but it is required)
      * All vet documentation (rabies certificate, microchip certificate, USDA certificate, etc.) needs to be sent to the vet at whatever Portugal airport you are arriving in at least 48 hours before your arrival.
      * Once you arrive at the airport, you need to go to the airport vet, who will have your documentation. They will examine your pet and then give you a signed certificate that, if needed, you show at customs as you are leaving...and then that's it! Ugh.
      Oh yeah, we had a difficult time finding airlines who could take our dog in the luggage area since he was too big for under the seat. We were able to fly TAP airlines and have the dog on our flight. We know of several people who have used third-party professional pet movers, but - for us - that was too expensive. We even met two people who have moved their pet by taking a private plane. Anyway, best of luck to you!

    • @AuroraBazanMemories
      @AuroraBazanMemories 3 місяці тому

      @@TheUnretireeswonderful detail. I feel more confident about the process now knowing what is expected. I have watched nearly all your videos-brilliant work-excellent teachers!

  • @brettcutler6117
    @brettcutler6117 3 місяці тому +1

    What is your tax yearly?, I will not be working and living off just social security, with a large savings account, What would you think my taxes would be on my social security as opposed to Spain.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  3 місяці тому

      Thanks for watching @brettcutler6117 and I wish we could help but we’re not tax experts.

  • @ReallyHappened
    @ReallyHappened День тому +1

    Where can you live without needing a car?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  День тому

      I’d say any city greater than 50,000 has enough going on that between walking, public transit and Ubers it can work. We know several people in Caldas da Rainha who don’t have a car and it has worked out fine for them. That puts probably 10 cities - maybe more - in play. And certainly if you were in Lisbon or Porto, you could do without a car there…and if you needed to go out of town, either use the train system or rent a car. Thanks for watching!!

  • @JMgmkh
    @JMgmkh 23 дні тому +1

    Isn't it mandatory to take Portuguese language classes too ?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  23 дні тому

      Portuguese language classes aren’t required for residency but you do need to pass a language test if/when you apply for citizenship. Thanks for watching!

  • @TheBlueskyson
    @TheBlueskyson 2 місяці тому +1

    Hi team. Couldn't you simply book a cheap hotel as your accom address for visa? ty 4 vid

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  2 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for watching but unfortunately no. You need to have a lease that is registered with a Portuguese government office. It’s a bit of a drag for sure, unless you have friends or relatives who live in PT and you apply with that as your address. Otherwise, you’re paying a lease for a rental that you may not be able to use. I understand why it’s a requirement but there is already the income and asset test which you would think eliminates the risk of having someone come here and immediately be homeless. Above my pay grade for sure!

  • @RockPopMandolin
    @RockPopMandolin 22 дні тому +1

    Great video, guys. Thanks. As someone considering a move to the Silver Coast, I am now much more aware of the costs. I'm also interested in the BnB side of things. Have you done a video breaking down the rules and regulations about getting into BnBs? On another note, I enjoyed your video on making money with UA-cam. I'm also a UA-camr with nearly 16K subscribers. But I make most of my income from sidelines like Patreon. In fact, Patreon brings in 10 times the amount I make on YT. Have you tried Patreon? -Mike

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  21 день тому +1

      Thanks for watching and we haven’t tried Patreon…something to look into for sure. As for BnBs, any new short-term rental needs to get a license from the local municipality. Generally, unless you are in Porto, Lisbon or the Algarve, you are likely to get a license but it’s not guaranteed. You just apply and if rejected you can always do long-term rental (more than 30 days). We suggest contacting the municipality before making an offer on a place to get more info on the process and the likelihood of getting the license. Hire a translator if you need to for that conversation to make sure you don’t end up buying a place that can’t do what you want it to do. Best of luck!!

    • @RockPopMandolin
      @RockPopMandolin 21 день тому

      @ Thanks very much! I will do that. Keep on making interesting videos!

  • @victoriastithlcpc
    @victoriastithlcpc 2 місяці тому +1

    Hi! When my partner applied for a long-term Visa in France, he only needed to put down (as an address) an Airbnb for one month.
    Do you know if we can just use an Airbnb rental like this for the Portuguese D-7 Visa? Or do we have to have a long-term lease on an apartment or other rental (we aren’t going to buy now)? Thank you if you can provide any guidance!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  2 місяці тому +1

      No expert on this, and since we bought here before moving here it wasn’t our experience. But I believe the requirement is a 12-month (or longer) lease and that an AirBNB for a month or so won’t work. There are laws that allow renters to exit leases early, but again not an expert. Thanks for watching!

    • @victoriastithlcpc
      @victoriastithlcpc 2 місяці тому

      @@TheUnretirees thank you, I guess I’ll have to investigate more. Thanks for your experience!

  • @principalsirmsyadav
    @principalsirmsyadav 3 місяці тому +1

    I am working as a Principal and will retire on December 25, I am also thinking of moving to Europe as my daughter is in Germany on blue. Should I move on D7 visa or on family reunion Visa in Germany? If possible, can you please 🙏 advise? Your video is worth to be appreciated 👍 Thanks

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  3 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for watching @principalsirmsyadav and we’re not qualified to answer that. There are many experts both online and in UA-cam who are knowledgeable about German immigration rules.

  • @ReallyHappened
    @ReallyHappened День тому +1

    It is expensive to make that move😮yikes.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  День тому

      It is expensive and I wish we knew that before we decided to move (we would have still moved but it would have been better for planning). You can do fewer scouting trips, or none, and rent a furnished place initially and that saves a lot. But even with that, it’s still expensive! Thanks for watching!

  • @CherieHagen
    @CherieHagen 20 днів тому +1

    Im very interested in moving dogs and your $1200 cost. I dont want my dogs in cargo. Please do a video ❤️🙏

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  19 днів тому

      Thanks for watching and we do have a video on this channel about moving a pet to Portugal! Check it out!

  • @1artistvocalist
    @1artistvocalist 2 місяці тому +1

    What about a single woman over 50 moving on her own? Is it safe? And what about renting or house share. Are there any websites you know of to help with that. And once approved for a visa you are allowed to just re locate permanently there? You don't need to apply for citizenship. Thanks for the video..sorry for so many questions!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  2 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for watching @1artistvocalist and certainly where we live is very safe for a single woman. Many areas in Portugal have Facebook groups for expats (probably true of cities in other countries as well) where you could find a flatmate if you wanted, but certainly renting on your own is very possible. In terms of your visa, once your visa is approved, you meet here with the immigration office and give them a similar set of papers and then they send you a residency card good for two years. You can renew for three more years and then you can decide to apply for citizenship or just continue to renew as a non-citizen resident. Either is ok.

    • @1artistvocalist
      @1artistvocalist 2 місяці тому

      @@TheUnretirees thanks for responding and clearly answering my questions. Sounds like a lot of uncertainty and red tape for a single woman. I think I will join a dating site and look for my future husband in Portugal! lol! All the best to you two!! Thanks for the video!!

  • @Sabhail_ar_Alba
    @Sabhail_ar_Alba 2 дні тому

    The biggest issue ( since Jan 2024) with Portugal is the high taxes for retirees living on overseas sourced income. It just isn't worth it to move there when they
    could be paying up 40% in taxes. Not the case for those arriving before 2024, they can enjoy a flat rate tax of 10%.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  2 дні тому

      Thanks for watching, and we’re not tax experts for sure. We’ve heard there is discussion about some version of NHR making a comeback but it isn’t here yet. We worked with FreshIP for tax questions before we moved and they were very, very helpful.

  • @ocean1233
    @ocean1233 2 дні тому

    Could you do a list please...
    I get lost in the talk although I appreciate it

    • @ocean1233
      @ocean1233 2 дні тому

      I see cost ...I will write it down
      Thank you

    • @ocean1233
      @ocean1233 2 дні тому

      I would want to ship car

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  2 дні тому

      Good feedback! Thanks for watching!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  2 дні тому

      Thanks for watching!

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  2 дні тому

      You can ship a car….but it may be costly to ship and once here a mechanic will need to make adjustments to it before you can drive it. There are some specific requirements for cars here, so many people find it’s just not worth it. But it all depends on your car and how attached to it you are.

  • @jesuszapata4831
    @jesuszapata4831 14 днів тому +1

    What's wrong with just staying for 90 days

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  14 днів тому

      Nothing is wrong with staying for 90 days if that’s what you want to do. Thanks for watching!

  • @howardmendelsohn8355
    @howardmendelsohn8355 17 днів тому +1

    I have 2 pugs. Any cost estimates?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  16 днів тому

      Thanks for watching! It all depends on the route you take to get your pups to PT. If you’re able to put each in a carrier that fits under an airplane seat, then it is so much easier - it’s then probably less than five hundred each for the exams, chip and certification stuff. If they don’t fit under the airplane seat, then you’re either buying crates and tickets for them to be in luggage or cargo and that’s more…we spent $150 for the crate and $400 to get the dog in luggage. Then there is the shared private option but that’s running into $10k range. Best of luck!

  • @lonelinessinmilan6486
    @lonelinessinmilan6486 5 місяців тому +5

    We moved to europe, thirty five years ago ...now, we're retirees in italy, with our grown children and their italian families.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for watching @lonelinessinmilan6486 and it sounds like you’ve done it well!

    • @ParisianThinker
      @ParisianThinker 5 місяців тому +2

      That turned out to be a fabulous idea. Congratulations!

  • @antoniodasilva1230
    @antoniodasilva1230 5 місяців тому

    It's normal cost expenses one night at a Manhattan hotel at the lowest costs me 800 last week 8:50

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching! Yes, Manhattan is expensive.

  • @TomBTerrific
    @TomBTerrific 3 дні тому +1

    So I guess you’re saying the fantasy is better than the reality! I agree with you. People seem to be dreamers rather than realistic. To think you can go live in a country, any country after spending your life in one country, state and or town most of your life without having challenges is simpleminded at best. Culture is a powerful force. Like it or not you’re use to living in the US. Unless you have no brains whatsoever you have developed beliefs, likes and dislikes based on your past history. But be my guess, live your dream! Go figure out just how much you don’t know. Just like Dorothy said “There is no place like home “

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  3 дні тому

      Thanks for watching and actually the reality is pretty good…it just takes some work and $$ to get there. We have no regrets - none - about moving to Portugal and would do it again. There was a lot we didn’t know, and didn’t know to know, but it was still our right decision.

  • @metalsomemother3021
    @metalsomemother3021 23 дні тому

    When you say $400 for health care and $375 for visa, are they PER PERSON or for both of you

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  23 дні тому

      Thanks for watching. Health Care runs about $400 for both of us combined. The visa costs were also combined -- about $120 to set the appointment with VFS and then the rest was charged at the VFS appointment.

  • @kmgameiro3036
    @kmgameiro3036 Місяць тому +1

    my kid came has a minor 21 years ago and still dont have a visa only dreamer

  • @lrsco
    @lrsco 2 місяці тому +2

    I’m planning a move from Scotland to the Algarve. I appreciate your video advice that you can give. P.s. I’m American moved to U.K. in 1998. I’m now British as well.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  2 місяці тому

      Thanks for watching @lrsco and best wishes on your move!

    • @lrsco
      @lrsco 2 місяці тому

      @@TheUnretirees Do you recommend a particular solicitor / company in Portugal to help with the process of D7 and taxes?

  • @jodrhh
    @jodrhh 5 місяців тому +3

    That intro very, very familiar with our rich journey UA-cam channel LMAO 😂

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for watching @jodrhh and we like those guys!

  • @Faben202
    @Faben202 3 місяці тому +1

    Those are some big doodies. I mean, duties.

  • @Carolinapetroska
    @Carolinapetroska 4 місяці тому +1

    Expensive

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  4 місяці тому

      lol, yes. One can do it less costly than us by renting a furnished place off the internet, but even then it still carries meaningful costs.

  • @hugomaitre7600
    @hugomaitre7600 4 місяці тому +1

    Portugal is not at all cheap there is a huge hype around it totally not underrated! Stop feeding this hype

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  4 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for your thoughts @hugomaitre7600 and "cheap" is always relative to where you compare it to.

  • @lastcre8iveicon
    @lastcre8iveicon 15 днів тому +1

    Jeez! You 2 must be dripping with cash! These costs total more than I've earned in 10 years! The world sucks.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  15 днів тому

      Not so much. It was more expensive than we expected for sure! Thanks for watching.

  • @cherylhorta4131
    @cherylhorta4131 2 місяці тому

    I think it cost you such an unbelievable amount of money because you paid people to create all the steps you could have done with on your own - yes, paying lawyers etc and companies to do work you could have done

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  2 місяці тому +4

      What lawyers? We DIY’d most of our own process. Most of the costs were travel related.

  • @DWHeld-sf4vj
    @DWHeld-sf4vj 7 днів тому

    Portugal has lost its appeal due to expats dilution. Similar to Costa Rica. People ruin what was once nice. Sad.

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  6 днів тому

      Ok, well it’s a good thing it’s a big world out there! Hope you find something you like!

  • @MoboyNooh-e9n
    @MoboyNooh-e9n Місяць тому

    Wasting money!

  • @dosdeyamaguchi9675
    @dosdeyamaguchi9675 5 місяців тому +1

    proof of assets 13,000 euro, but don't you also need a monthly passive income of at least 800 some euro?

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  5 місяців тому +2

      Thanks for watching and, yes, there is a proof of income requirement as well. We didn’t include it because it isn’t a “cost” but you are right that there is an income requirement as well as an asset requirement.

  • @OhThatsAngie
    @OhThatsAngie 3 місяці тому +3

    You have OFFICIALLY KILLED my ideas of us moving outside of the USA. 😳😞🥹

    • @TheUnretirees
      @TheUnretirees  3 місяці тому

      There are lots of different ways to make it work! If you really want to move abroad our advice is just to find a way that works for you. We made this video just to show some things to think about when you’re planning. Good luck!

    • @shizelgodfrey7189
      @shizelgodfrey7189 3 місяці тому +1

      Those were my thoughts too! I am going to Portugal next month but really this video just got me depressed😪

    • @JMgmkh
      @JMgmkh 23 дні тому

      Apparently around 90 % of people move back to their home country in 5 years or before.

    • @alsteeves2044
      @alsteeves2044 10 днів тому

      Oh gawd. Phillipines and panama will take you, or Vietnam.