Coffee Grinders for Gaggia Classic Evo Pro or Similar Espresso Machines
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- A look at 4 burr grinders to pair with a premium entry-level espresso machine like the Gaggia Classic Evo Pro: Fellow Opus, Baratza Encore ESP, Eureka Mignon Facile and Baratza Sette 270. Find out which best suits your use case as we take a look inside, cover build quality, conical & flat burr types, see how each is used and evaluate grind quality and distribution.
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Eureka Mignon Facile: www.wholelattelove.com/produc...
Baratza Sette 270: www.wholelattelove.com/produc...
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00:00 Introduction
01:12 Fellow Opus
06:36 Baratza Encore ESP
11:18 Eureka Mignon Facile
15:03 Baratza Sette 270
19:54 Best Grinder for You
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Wonderful video as per usual. WLL is my go-to channel for all things Coffee. Thanks to you I'm going to buy the ECM Synchronika next month and I couldn't be happier. Again, thank you for always providing wonderful content.
Hey Julie, You are welcome and thank you for the comment!
Marc
How did you know I needed this video??? Perfect timing
Hey Ripe, Must of felt your vibes!
Marc
Honestly I could listen to this dude talk about equipment for hours lol. Going with the facile!
I decided to stop my Nespresso machine use and get serious. Your videos are the JAM! Thank you . I've purchased my Gaggia Evo Pro and now getting a grinder. Thank you so so so so so much! Best channel!
Hey user, thanks so much for the kind comment! Get ready for better coffee with your new equipment! If not familiar with the process be sure and watch our video on dialing in grind size: ua-cam.com/video/unHHToGjshI/v-deo.html
Also check out our support section for the Evo Pro. It's loaded with technique and maintenance videos: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/sections/1500000384362-Gaggia-Classic-Pro
Marc
I'm def watching all videos associated. Im having issues deciding what grinder to buy. I'm not sure if the Eureka Mignon Manuale 50 or the Eureka Mignon Specialita Espresso Grinder. I want to make the right investment and not upgrade later. Any advice?
@@Wholelattelovepage
Great video Marc. I love your channel . I really need a espresso grinder. Thanks so much 🌷🤣
You are so welcome!
Marc
I’ve had a Facile for a while now… it’s quiet and super easy to operate. The grind is amazing for espresso. Easy to dial in. Easy to clean. To me 10/10. Have been supper happy with it.
Hey s, Thanks a whole latte for sharing your thoughts. Agree it's an excellent no frills machine grade grinder!
Marc
I am considering Facile too.
Two questions if I may, how do you measure one dose of grind?? Like how do you know that you now have 18g coffee ground required for espresso??
And is it easy to switch the dial for filter coffee style grinding? Looks a bit cumbersome to me
@@UchihaAditya it’s not the easiest to switch to filter coffee. The dial is small so it would be quite a few turns overall to switch, and easy to get lost. Super easy to dial in within a method though even when switching beans.
To weigh I use a scale. It’s fast and easy. After a couple of times it’s ok and second nature to weigh empty portafilter then fill up and weigh again.
@@UchihaAditya Hi, best method is using a scale. You can just estimate using a filter basket rated at 18g capacity and grinding to fill and level off with rim then tamp. Not all that accurate but can get you by if not overly particular. Facile really is an espresso focused grinder. Constant changing between espresso and grinding for other brew methods will be cumbersome.
Marc
I have a GCP and a mignon facile and love them both especially after some mods. I love how you can clean the facile with out changing your grind setting. This means I clean the grinder more often. The only negative thing I have to say is that it is slow to grind 18g. No big deal if you are only making one drink at a time. If you need to make multiple drinks for say for other family members you should spend more money on a large grinder. This grinder is a great value.
Hey js, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Facile - agree 100%!
Marc
Hi Marc, thanks for this. Some time ago you recommended that I pair a Facile with my GCP. I just orderded the Facile from WLL today. Cannot wait to put it into action.
Hey dan, you're welcome and thanks for your patronage! The Facile is a fantastic choice. It's the best value in machine grade grinders.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I can't thank you enough! At your advice I've got the set-up with probably the best bang for the buck available.
Decided to pair my GCP with the DF64 Gen 2. Got it for just $330. Can't wait for it to arrive. Hand grinding for every shot is a pain!
I still use the Gaggia MDF with my Classic Pro. A classic that stands the test of time!
I have had the Gaggia Classic Pro for over a year now, paired along the Sette 270 for the same time as well. Combination is perfect, and if I ever mod my Pro with a 9 bar spring, the 270 will be even better. Since the Evo Pro comes standard with the 9 bar, I'd recommend the Sette 270 for anyone thinking about it!
Hey e, Thanks a whole latte for sharing your experience with Sette 270!
Marc
For the gaggia classic red 2019 i bought eureka mignon Silenzio red Ferrari.
It's really good designed couple
Great job 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Marc
I have a Sette single dose hopper (add on) paired with a ECM single boiler. Two things first: my wife drinks decaf and a power bar turns on both the ECM and Sette. I get something like 5/1000 grs retention. Which is good so that I don't get Ethiopian decaf mixed with my Bolivian java beans. Because the grinder timer resets to 3 secs each time the power is turned on my technique is easy. I use 17.5 gms in a 18 gms filter basket. Grind 3 secs. remove portafilter and tap the sides gently until the grounds flatten. Repeat for the next 3 sec grind and all the grounds should be through. Remove the portafilter and rap the Sette couple of times. Any dregs should fall onto the grinder rubber mat. Pour the dregs onto the grounds and tamp. The Sette has no static and no clumping so the process takes about 15secs.
ok sorry maybe 5/100gms. But maybe I was right the first time.
Hey u, Thanks for sharing your process!
Marc
Just snagged modded Mazzer mini with new burrs(guy set it as single dose grinder) for 230ish eur, hope it will work nicely with my Gaggia evo
Great video! I have a question though, if you had to choose between the Encore Esp and Eureka Filtro/Crono specifically for espresso, which one would it be? I know you told Crono can grind for espresso in one of your videos, but who's the winner? Thanks!
Hey yag, Thanks for the comment and question. While you can use the Filtro/Crono for espresso, its burrs are designed for brew grinding - they don't do as well grinding at extra fine espresso grind sizes. I'd choose the Encore ESP.
Marc
Hi Marc! I have a new Capresso Café TS Espresso Machine. What grinder would you suggest I use? I am definitely a begginer and I would appreciate your advice. Thanks!
Hi j, thanks for the question. The Capresso machine you have uses a pressurized filter basket. Those are more forgiving of imperfect grind size so any of the grinders in this video will work. If you think you might upgrade to a higher level machine down the road I'd go with the Eureka Mignon Facile. Otherwise I'd choose based on your desire for a quality product and the grinder workflow you prefer. Hope that helps!
Marc
Considering the pros and cons, I think I'd go the eureka. I need to check dumb Australian pricing tho. Sometimes they are crazy high on some brands and not others. The Sette 270 looks "suitable" and super convenient, but really, would have the same sort of downsides as the grinder I want to move away from. Even though that second fine adjustment ring mitigates them a bit. I am still waiting for my old Breville Pro to die though.
Hey dog, hope the pricing works out in your favor for the Eureka. If not, the Sette 270 is a far better grinder than the Pro.
Marc
Missed ya, Mark!!
hey oz, thanks - I'm back!!!
Marc
Hi Marc! They don't sell the facile in my country. I have the Evo Pro and use it mostly for espresso. Is there a similar Eureka model to the facile? And what would it be your second choice from the ones on this video?
Hi j! There likely is a similar Eureka model with a different name. My second choice would be the Sette 270.
Marc
How would the eureka mignon oro fare against the manuale since it's a single dose one which is what I'm eyeing at right now?
Hey xx, The single dose Oro is a very nice grinder with larger 65mm burrs for higher quality grind.
Marc
I live in Hawaii, my question where can I have my Baratza settle 270 serviced?
Hi m, Baratza provides direct support for their products. Best bet is to go here and contact directly: www.baratza.com/
At that link is the support phone and other contact info. Also a lot of self help/DIY videos and guides there.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Hey marc, I wanted to upgrade my grinder. I have an ECM technika and I'm using a moded gaggia mdf (makes it stepless). I think that the eurika grind looks the same as the mdf.I make Americanos and latte mostly ,What grinder would you recommend?
Hey dcds, about 10 years ago I used a doserless MDF from time to time. Never modded so I can't speak to that performance. What I do recall is a rather clumpy grind from the MDF. Your Technika deserves a higher level grinder! Of the grinders in this video I'd pair it with the Eureka Mignon Facile. If you have the budget and want to go to the next level in grind and build quality I like the Ceado E5P: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5p-electronic-coffee-grinder
or E6P which is an E5P with timed presets.
Both the Ceados have larger 64mm flat burrs so they'll grind a lot faster than the MDF or grinders in this video, larger burrs produce higher quality grind with more consistent particle size and distribution into PF is very good.
Eureka has other grinders further up the Mignon line with burrs 55mm and larger. They are built well... just a slight step down from Ceado, a little more compact than the Ceados and available in a ton of colors if that's important to you. We've been using the Eureka Mignon Libra regularly for the past few months and like it a lot. It's a programmable automatic weight based grinder: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-libra-weight-based-espresso-grinder-in-matte-black
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so much for that reply! Helps a lot, great videos Marc as always!
Could you please provide your review on Budan espresso machines!
Hi s, thanks for the request. Don't have one at the moment - maybe someday.
Is there a grinder you can recommend manufactured in Europe or USA? I believe each of these 4 models tested are of China origin - manufactured?
Hey matt, Like all Eureka grinders the Mignon Facile in the video is made in Italy. Some other made in Europe grinder brands: Ceado, Rocket Espresso, ECM, Profitec, Rancilio.
For a step up to prosumer level espresso grinding with larger 64mm flat burrs check out the Ceado E5P: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5p-electronic-coffee-grinder
Marc
Marc
I have the Sette but my biggest gripe is the noise. Early in the morning it wakes up the whole family. That said there's little to no retention which is hard to find
Hi i, a little give and take for the low retention.
Marc
Struggling to dial in stock double shot basket with the facile. Have it below zero on the grind setting.
For what espresso machine? I don't have the grinder, but seeing I'm now considering it, would be nice to know. :)
@@dogmaticpyrrhonist543 the gaggia evo same as video.
Hey big, The Facile can do it and so can you! Understand numbers on the knob including zero are for reference and do not correspond to particular grind size. It's incredibly rare for zero on any manufacturer's grinder to represent the finest possible grind setting. If your shot is too fast grind finer. Too slow grind coarser.
Keep in mind these best practices when dialing in:
1. Start with a grind size that holds together when pinched between your fingers. If you can see your fingerprints in the compressed coffee you're close.
2. Make small changes to grind size maybe 1/3 rotation of the Facile's knob. After changing grind size run the grinder for about 3 seconds to flush out about 3g of coffee to clear any coffee at previous grind size. Discard the flushed coffee.
3. Use the same weight of coffee each time you load the portafilter. A scale really helps! If no scale do your best to use a similar volume of coffee in the portafilter each time you load. You can slightly overfill then swipe to level prior to tamping.
4. Tamp firm and level - try to use the same tamping force each time.
5. Time your extraction. You want 25-30 seconds from pump on. Timing is same for single or double shots but suggest you do doubles until you get technique down. They are much easier than singles.
6. 1:2 ratio by weight of ground coffee to espresso in the cup. If ground coffee weight is 18g you stop extraction at 36g in cup. Again, scale really helps! If no scale understand liquid volume including crema could easily be ~60ml for weight of 36g.
7. Understand grind size is not set and forget. Changes in coffee age, coffee used, coffee dose weight in PF all require grind size adjustments.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I really appreciate the super detailed response. I have been watching tons of videos and tutorials as well on your channel which has been helpful as well. I am currently using the stock double shot basket that came with the gaggia but have an IMS and vts basket on the way. Currently getting occasional spurting and puck sticking to the shower screen often. With current beans roasted 11 days ago I am using 16 grams in and 32 out in about 29-32 seconds and almost always have imprint of the shower screen. Shots have been ok but definitely not getting the full potential. Currently set at the first line below zero before the 5 so I’m assuming around -.5 or so. Also seem to be blonding out earlier maybe 12-15 seconds in and more of a piddle stream vs nice cone. Very much appreciate your time.
@@bigcmcg3946 Thanks for the appreciation. Your success is my success! A basket upgrade should help. A little surprised you're getting imprint at 16g in the stock double. Precision baskets typically have higher flow rate than stock so you may be grinding a little finer with those.
Marc
I wish the breville was included in this
Hi r, thanks for the comment.
I secure the micro ring of my Sette 270 with a small piece of tape. Tired of replacing the felt.
Hey David, How often were you replacing?
Marc
The first one wore out in a month or so, Baratza sent me a free replacement. The second one lasted about 6 mo. I don’t change the setting very often, usually once or twice per 1 kg. and when switching to a new bag. Grinder is used daily for single dose. I really like the low retention. Been enjoying your videos for many years - thanks!
@@davidlee3150 you're welcome! Thank you for watching and the report.
Marc
These grinders do not have large blades, like specialized grinders, whose blade is at least 64 mm, and they also do not have a cooling fan to prevent heat from reaching the coffee and causing damage. Can be trust these mills?
Hi mr k, Some are better than others. As you mention they use smaller burr sets - best set in the group are the 50mm in the Eureka Mignon Facile: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-facile-espresso-grinder
The Facile is my choice of this group for best grind quality. Cooling fans are extremely rare until you get into much more expensive commercial grinders.
Marc
Team Baratza❤
Thanks for the vote!
Marc
DF64, manual grinder, Fiorenzato Allground, Mahlkoenig x54, Mazzer, Macap... Sette is very noisy
Of course he picked the most expensive one even though the reviews are not as good as Sette.
Hi MC, Not sure I agree with your appraisal of reviews or prices. Our verified buyer reviews give the $399 Sette a 4.6/5 and $350 Facile 4.9/5.
Marc
first ❤
How do you do it?