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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on UA-cam. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
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It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
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With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on UA-cam, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
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Piers Morgan, a man who made a career of answering the questions he asks guests for them
A woman beater and alleged rapist who happens to be a retired MMA or UFC is just as *UNSURPRISING* as Hershey Walker being an abusive, womanizing ex-NFL player. Both are stereotypes. Andrew Tate deserves nothing. He's brain damaged, dangerous, & toxic person.
Nailed it
And this guy says he just saw two videos of Andrew tate, what a lier ,there is no person who use internet who didn't see Andrew tate every single day hahhahah
@@ach3474 get off Twitter bro, your life will improve massively. I had to go out of my way to learn about this dude, seems he’s really popular on Twitter
@@nickthompson1812 he's popular on every platform Instagram, Twitter, UA-cam etc it's crazy how they ban the top g on every single one
Wait, Piers Morgan still has a show that people actually watch?
I had honestly thought it faded into obscurity myself...
People only watched that episode cos Andrew tate is in it lol
Yeah Andrew Tate fans are monsters.
@@dustinsindledecker154 honestly can't tell if Poe
@@hanzalamehmood2991 how can i watch it?
Piers Morgan: Even when he's right, he's wrong
Even when he's right, he far right
That perfectly describes Piers Morgan indeed!
His Pythagorean Theorem gaff was hilarious, sums up his existence!
At this point he is right and Tate is wrong.
especially if he implied that being Anti-Hillary Clinton was "misogyny"
Only Piers could make Andrew Tate seem like the most rational, mature person in the room 😂
Lmao. Watch the 5 hour podcast with Patrick and Tate.
You clearly don’t know how intelligent this man is lol
He is always rational. You are just delusional
so you believe Andrew Tate is immature? may i ask why?
@@LintEastwood21 this Eric guy is clueless
@@kingston3355 let's hear him out
Remember how Ben Shapiro told Piers Morgan about how he stands on the graves of dead children to make a political point (in this case, about the second amendment)? This feels like a real callback to that moment.
Exactly.
exactly what I was thinking while watching it
It would be nice to let the guest speak a full sentence
Piers is a english cenk
He's not capable of saying a full sentence.
Except the more words Tate speaks, the worse it gets. I used to say the same about Piers. Both of them are dicks in their own way.
Why though?
@@kristavaillancourt6313 I would too if I'm getting interrupted every 4 seconds
Piers: "APOLOGIES RIGHT NOW.'
Andrew Tate: "No."
@DEEPTIPS I'll explain your full clip with my foot.
jajaja that's accurate! Clown wrote his apology for him 🤣🤣
I hate piers but Tate is worse.
Piers _"being Anti ANY-woman at ALL is Misogyny"_ ,Morgan
@honestrat03 You hate men youve never met or who have not done no harm to your family.... pathetic.
Piers never let Andrew talk and just continually cut him off
Thats because he is afraid tate will make sense
Never heard of this Andrew Tate guy until he got deplatformed and everyone started talking about it.
Me too lol.
I like how Piers forgets his former best buddy has said similar things. What a weird quote to use out of all the crazy stuff Tate has said lol.
Which former best buddy? Forgive my ignorance
what @@professorspf said/asked
I think he's talking about trump
Name one *crazy* thing tate has said. If you can't give one off the top of your head, stop speaking like a sheep with the mob mentality.
@@a1kev can’t think of the exact quote but he said something along the lines of “women can’t talk to other men that’s cheating but men can’t cheat it’s just exercise” sounds pretty crazy to me
I dont like Tate but Morgan keeps trying to trap him in a gotcha rather than address some of his other F'd up shit
He doesn't disagree with cobratate on philosophy, he disagrees with his aesthetics.
@@kristavaillancourt6313 nailed it
Morgan is a hack
@Anointed interesting how you're totally just making s*** up
No matter what things Tate said, If Piers tries to misframe it like he does here it’s just going to make him look even more disingenuous
I've seen anybody that interrupts as much as Piers Morgan. He never lets anybody finish a complete sentence.
That woman from Channel 4 *(bbc) ...with the weird blond "Bird Hair" ...she wasn't just like that to Peterson, I watch channel 4 ever day, and she's like that to practically EVERYONE. (except for lesbian women... she's polite to them)
Morning Joe.
And for once Andrew Tate couldn’t bully somebody by screaming them down. Well done Pierce. Tate knew exactly how he should behave or be thrown off the show. 😂😂😂 Nobody cares about Tate’s school boy mentality and archiac mindset!
Piers Morgan somehow managed to make this guy look reasonable by comparison.
Because he is reasonable. Lol.
@@djangomarine6658 nah he still looks like fraud to me. All spectacle and persona, no solutions
@@djangomarine6658 Are you 14 or an lnceI?
He is very reasonably, just likes to drop some bombs to get attention.
@@iller3 solutions would alienate people.
I feel like Kyle is conflating life experience and sex here, someone can be mature and have life experience while still being a virgin, and someone could have had dozens of sexual partners and be childish and ignorant.
Pier Morgan is such a hack. Instead of actually engaging with Tate's bad ideas, he brings up a tragic child suicide in a sad attempt at a "gotcha".
Piers is so bad at his job that Tate actually comes out looking pretty good from this clip. If you had never heard of Tate before, you wouldn't understand what makes him so controversial. Out of ALL the vile stuff Tate has spewed, he chooses "Younger woman are more attractive" as the idea that needs to be exposed...
What has he said that’s “vile” or wrong? Can you elaborate around your claims instead of just throwing la la land statements out?
*Everythingggg* you said fam.
@@cloudiershark4684
Watch mutahar's video on him. Don't be coy little boy
He dont say nothing bad at all you just have no emotional stability
Literally the one point that lowkey we all know it's true
Kyle “Get Money, Get Bitches” Kulinski
hahahhaha
Kyle "Upload political vids, make money, get Krystal" Kulinski
It’s called Piers Morgan Uncensored yet he censors himself whenever he says fuck.
😄
Morgan didn't sensor the phallus growing out of his neck
Andrew Taint
Taintdrew Taint.
Glad it's not just me who says this in his head every time I see his name. 😂
Andrew “Completely synthetic rise to fame” Taint
Top G** 🔥🔥
Seeth dweeb seeth
Everyone focusses on the misogyny and "red pill" nonsense, but when Tate goes full Dunning-Kruger and starts talking about how his brain works at too high a level for him to waste time reading, that's the real comedy gold. The guy is a living avatar of willful ignorance.
i didnt see any of that here
@@bleepbloop7039 So, what's your point?
@@SIS3W3N So, what's your point?
@@SIS3W3N does he say that in this interview?
@@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511
"Let's ignore the context of this guy and his ideology, it makes him look bad and cringe and that makes me sad"
I never thought I’d see Secular Talk taking about Andrew Tate and Fresh & Fit my algorithm crossing over.
Jfc Piers makes Tate sound reasonable when he's constantly interrupting him.
Piers, the most annoying grifter known to man
Andrew tate is a living character from GTA5 lol
Careful Kyle, with the “I like Krystal’s maturity” 😂. Remember. There are no right answers.
Yeah bro is playing with fire
No she doesn’t
That's exactly what Tate is referring to. Kyle has to walk on eggshells not to offend his older woman.
Do any of yall ever stop and think that the reason order women get so offended when their age is brought up is because they know they can't compete with younger women...
Kyle therefore forfeits the opportunity to procreate. And thats Tate's point. Kyle now has to carry all that baggage Krystal has, which it's fine if he's willing, but Tate's point is that most men don't like that.
@@Rodrigo-tk2fm that's where you're wrong... just because a woman is throwing shit-tests at her man, doesn't mean he has to engage with them. She's the expert at "doing Emotional labor", only ask questions and allow her to work it out on her own
Bro, I love how Kyle’s been talking so more directly and in this case, even personally, to his audience! ‘Frick the idea of Bernie Sanders being America’s Dad, Kyle should be 😂😂😂
Also,
# Kyle for Pres 2024 😂😂😂
Pierce Morgan is now Kathy Newman to Jordan Peterson “ so what you’re say is”
Morgan is worse
4:05
"Being with somebody Old....Being with someone older than me"
😂😂😂🤦🤦🤦
Krystal is gonna cuss him out for that one lololololol.
Kyle I love ya dawg but you’re still obviously massively unprepared to cover this story in any serious manor. You haven’t even heard any of the shit Tate has said before this interview so you obviously didn’t understand the angle from which Piers was grilling him
If finding younger women generally more physically attractive than older women is sexist, then 99% of men are probably sexist. It’s just weird that the overwhelming majority of women tend to do the opposite and date older men, yet that doesn’t seem to be criticized as sexist.
Men look at women for their looks the same way women look at men for their finances, but only one is sexist lol
Its not just that, the whole younger vs older women is more so about baggage. Women wont settle for Men that have baggage, why should a Man have to? And in all probability, younger Women have less baggage then Older women.
Its insane that fundamental reality is controversial. This world is insane.
the age part is not about physical attractive or fertility because women peak in their early to mid twenties. His issue is about how many Ds got into a 25 year old as oppose to a 19 year old in western societies.
simply put:
younger=less body count= more attractive
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard just because someone is young it doesn’t mean they’ve had less sexual partners.
@@msnewsenior
The reality is that younger women are easier to manipulate and exploit than older women. Tate lives to manipulate and exploit them, and openly brags about doing so. He's trying to pass off his take in a less-sociopathic light but really that's the underlying theme for any guy who prefers their partners to be significantly younger than him they just don't like to admit it.
@@fluidthought42 I don't watch Tate too much but your view of him seems outlandish to say the least. Could you possibly share what he said to make you see him in such a way?
@@HeavenlyDemon_Jugo
He literally had his post-MMA, post- reality tv star come up on being a pimp for only fans girls (and by sexting the guys who were simping/tipping the girls). The role of pimp necessitates exploitation and manipulation, which if you had asked Tate before his "I respect and love all women now that I've been deplatformed" phase he would've happily admitted it and bragged about it. In fact he was asked and he did brag about it, he did so under capitalist framing but it is what it is.
@@msnewsenior you can think it's dumb but the vast majority of men prefer a woman with a low body count for a serious relationship. The market sets the value of something, not you
Battle of the clowns
I generally have a very low bar of expectations when it comes to Piers...but even this interview was pathetic even with my low expectations for him, there were litterally so many other lines of attack Piers could have used against such a wide target such as Tate but he picked the worst possible questions/attack and missed...still 🤦♂️
That's kind of equivalent to the way democrats argue with republicans. Truly pathetic, which is why independent media needs to boom.
He has big Cathy Newman energy
Misogyny is "hatred of women". Not what you mentioned bro
I came in here to post exactly this! He said he would argue that misogyny is women are inferior to me. That is INCORRECT and its a terrible argument. That's HIS personal definition and HIS way of changing the definition to align with his opinion. That's media bias 101
Being attracted to 19 year olds is pretty damn natural, it's ageism at best
Andrew Tate stood 10 toes and held his own without getting emotional even though Pierce Morgan tried to stumble him with a disingenuous conversation.
Until he cried facing Hasan
kyle and tate fan? idk how
@@happyliving1922 being a safe driver does not mean you are a better driver and this went completly over Hasans head
@@nicktanner8231
I don't know man, the best driver is the one who doesn't crash. As Decay of Andrew Tate and the Mutahar video show, Tate ain't very bright. He's a crook
@@ManiacMayhem7256 Most men do not crash, therefore get to point A to B more efficiently. Most crashes however are of men. But overall, men are better drivers in terms of efficiency.
Absolutely loved Kyle's personal opinion on how to find happiness and success in life.
There are so many genuine arguments to have with Tate's logic that it pisses me off that Piers felt the need to make logical leaps to try and get a "gotcha" reaction. What a knob
Thats all piers did and the gotcha didn't work at all
Piers is a clown, but Tate is absolutely a misogynist. His view on women is that they're basically private property. He's not looking for a relationship or mate. He wants objects to add to his collection (which is why age matters to him).
and unfortunately, he passes on this retrograde mentality to his gen z fans who now think that tricking a girl into believing you want a serious relationship just to have sex is not such a big deal... we hear to little about the harms this kind of behaviour causes to women.
and we wonder why women are sick of men... it's like wondering why soldiers are sick of war...
It's the old "women who have a lot of partners are sluts, guys who have a lot of partners are Alpha Chads" argument.
It is not a argument. It is the natural order of things.
Piers Morgan, a man of many traits yet a master of nothing.
He was definitely out of his depth.
Tate things 26 year old women are worth less because they have had more partners but also thinks it’s a good quality for men to have multiple partners. That’s misogynistic.
Tate represented himself well. Piers tried to make a viral moment but made himself look like a bad interviewer
Tate has never, ever represented himself well. He's all externalized insecurity and bargain bin machismo. Walking, smirking definition of a Manchild.
@@Gorgonjones You always like this
@@kyletaylor3860 Nah he's right. There's even worse guys that him floating around on youtube though.
@@kyletaylor3860 Bro, if this guy impresses you, think about *why* you're drawn to him. Like, really, give it some actual consideration.
@@Gorgonjones You're a prime example why I despise humanity for 99% of it is plain stupid, egotistical, non-rational primitive creatures and with your comment you reminded me of that. I'm by no means a Tate fan, I'm not a fan of anyone but you're so blind and you simply discard the very rare and valuable wisdom Tate preaches. Sure not all of it wisdom, some of his ideology is logically flawed but most of it is valuable, you'd do well in life if you stopped thinking with your emotions but rather with your mind
Kyle sounded so around the edges it was funny 😂
Think it's gross for Tate and other dudes to be waiting for 18 year olds
It's almost like grooming
@@Muskateering they don't want baggage of a mature mind so they go after children
As a more libertarian/Conservative guy, I like your reasoning and analytical mind. Respect from me friend. We're really not that different folks. And conversation and discussion is gold these days.
Of all the stuff Piers could roast Andrew for he chooses to get in losing semantics arguments. The guy picks the worst hills to die on.
The guy picks the worst hills to die on... What a line🔥
This entire conversation is misogynistic in actuality. Why should any woman's worth be pitted against the ideas that man has about them?
But anyways, the main reason it is considered misogynistic to say that women over X-age are 'past their prime' doesn't mean you hate women or value them as less than men, it is saying that their worth is rooted in fertility or beauty either alone, or predominantly. For men like this, a woman's worth is basal, nothing more than sexual. If an older man were to marry a woman based on how she looks at 18/19, he will seek to "replace" her when she is 30 or 40. Men that think like this just think women are to be used and tossed aside, in that way it is pure misogyny.
Man's worth is determined by wealth or influence. Woman's in sex appeal. Both these concepts are disgusting and perpetuate the other's short-comings, both allow powerful men to belittle less powerful men and powerless women.
Another point of the conversation is that if younger truly is more appealing and desirable to men, 18-21 is a short age range to look for partners. It is heavily implied that these types of men would desire 17, 16, 15... need I go on?
Is it a coincidence that this Secular Talk video about Andrew Tate is also the first Secular Talk video that has given me a Fortnite ad right before it?
lol absolutely not
What are ads
Bruh, there is a video of him saying: "i believe my sister is property of her husband". And about 100000000 other videos of him saying ridiculous things of the like.
Yeah, so that instantly means he's a bad guy and you shouldn't listen to him no ? "Bruh"
@@Ball7399 you like him, don't you?
Tell me you’ve only watched a 20 second tik tok clip without telling me you’ve only watched a 20 second tik tok clip.
@@Muskateering Nice way to avoid the question, but yeah I like Tate but I'm no fanatic
@@Ball7399 not avoiding just can't be arsed mate 👍🏼
So Tate likely gained a million more followers after this interview
It is misogyny because it's implying that women with sexual experience are "used" or "tainted" whereas the same standard doesn't apply to men. It's not just about preferences Kyle.
Thank you. Finally someone pointing this out in the comments instead of praising Kyle's "nuanced take" on Andrew Tate. It's about women not being "tainted"/"dirty" - an age-old misogynistic view on women. It's also about young, and generally more inexperienced and impressionable, girls being more easily controlled and taken advantage of. Many women in their middle 20s and older can much more easily spot the red flags (it comes with experience) and see people like Andrew Tate as the cretins that they are.
It isn't misogyny because for women to achieve a high body count takes no effort, even for average looking women. Different story for men. Men and women are different and they'll never be equal
@@Knight766 Sounds very incel of you. Get some help and stop watching Andrew Tate.
Bruh, Misogyny is pure hatred for women. This is a preference, or as tate said "Ageist" in the most extreme view. It's not hard to find a man who would be more sexually attached to younger women, nor should it be offensive to older women, because they too would admit that they probably looked a little better from 18 to their early 20s. You use the word misogyny so loosely.
@@HeavenlyDemon_Jugo No, misogyny is not "pure hatred" of women. The view expressed is that younger women are more desirable than older women BECAUSE they have had less sex. Go away incel.
Kyle should've brushed up on Tate more before this vid tbh
*Women* “we want 6’2+, six pack, house, nice car, 80-100k salary, good career.. etc”
*Men* “we don’t want a hoe”.. *Women* “MISOGYNY”!!!
How dare you.
Then why can they go for hyper religious women who wait till marriage? Why do men normalize degenerate casual sex/ polygamy culture?
Bro, the part we’re you have life advice at the end of the video was some of the best life advice that a young man could here. I wish I had that perspective in my teens instead of the pick up artist bs I got sucked into when I got into college. A similar thing happened to me when I started focusing on myself and less on “getting laid” it all just clicked. You should clip that and put it in a short or tic toc
Honestly, I feel bad for the guys caught in the redpill sphere cause teenage me would’ve totally fallen for that shit. How many kids end up there because they UA-camd “how to talk to women.” What you said about how the answer is simple, is so fucking true man. You seriously should clip that part, it could help some of those kids if they come across it. Or make a whole video on that community with your take
Kyle, it's not about insecurity. All you can use to judge the future actions of someone is their past actions. If the girl has been with a bunch of guys then why would you think your relationship with them will work? Which it's just a personal preference thing I guess and depends on what your looking for.
Correct
You’re disgusting. The point is you’re generalising YOUNG 25 year old WOMEN! They aren’t in a relationship in their early/mid 20s - because their brain wasn’t developed fully yet and they were students ?! They just left school/college/uni and into the real world ?! They’re supposed to either be teenagers or married at 25?! Why didn’t a 24 year old woman have a long lasting successful relationship ? Ummmm because she’s 24?! 😂😂😂😂because she just graduated recently and had to dedicate herself to studying and was only around college men who are also studying 😂😂you sick men! Generalising 24+ year old woman is sexist ! Many 24/25/26/27 year old women believe in abstinence until marriage or don’t sleep around! You’re sexist towards all Women unless they birth 10 kids like Andrews’s grandma or they’re 18/19 year olds.
Fool - he’s 35+ !!!! Dummy ! When men are single they’re victims but when women are single they’re f*cked and dumped ?! It means” how will we succeed if she didn’t succeed in a relationship before “ - fool! couldn’t the same be said about Andrew who’s 35+ and unmarried with lots of women who he admitted have left him !
True.. Very True
Women should disqualify men for the same reason too then, no?
It's annoying when a content creator starts off telling you that don't know anything about the person they're about to talk about or they did the absolute bare minimum to prepare. It's supposed to discredit whoever they're about to talk about but actually comes off as lazy, ill prepared, uninformed, and amateurish.
What he said is misogynist, but not for the reason Piers said it is. He is saying a woman is inferior for doing things that he wouldn't say a man is inferior for doing.
Women can vote and do not have to enlist in the draft but men do. Is this double standard an example of misandry???
No you are reaching go search the meaning of the word.
@@nicktanner8231 yes
You should bring tate on the show!For a real debate!
I doubt if Tate has the capacity for real debate.
@@SIS3W3N Tate absolutely does. Kyle would get roasted though, so while I'd love to see that debate, I also don't want Kyle to take that loss. His life would get upended if he started seeing things through a RP lense.
@@djangomarine6658 You do realize that real debate requires actual rational arguments, right?
@@SIS3W3N you sound stupid. He's Sat on shows and debated these things for hours. Kyle is playing possum says he doesn't know anything about tate but makes a video about him. Kyle talks for 10min max.
@@SIS3W3N Have u watched any of Andrew Tate's long form multi hour podcast interviews or just spouting pigshit by watching out of context viral TikTok clips?🤔
Kyle I was waiting for you to talk about this lol I'm so stoked rn
Can we also stop ranking women on their age, their appearance, their experience, on how much "dick they went through" ..
this really makes me sick to my stomach, i really think you mean well kyle but i feel like all of that shit is misogyny.
You care if she has partners in the past because they could still reconnect and hook up while you think she's with you. It is not insecurity to qualify someone, and if you suspect they have a recent relationship and they are seeing them, you should know. Women want men who have a lot of relationships in the past, because he is more confident and if other women want him, he has to be a success story in the making. Men don't think the same way.
“Krystal is older than me”
I can feel the angry glare from here
Genuinely had no idea, I always thought she was in her 30s
@@sirius1696 she is late 30s I think
Hes definitely triggered. My girl is older than me, and yet I can see the sentiments of tate.
Why is this guy (reaction guy)confused?Most men like “experienced” women for fun and a not so experienced woman for keeps. We all know this as men. And of course there are exceptions to any rule but we can agree that most men don’t want the “around the block” girl, we generally do not go looking for that, with that being said that type of woman may have appeal for some men but I would argue that’s probably in the minority. We are of a particular nature as men, there is no denying it if we are going to be honest. The question of whether women are inferior is a straw man, women and men are opposites. The question does not make sense . We are different in every way, we are opposite but complimentary (for the most part) so when you ask if women are inferior to men it’s not a real question, the two can’t be weighed in that fashion.
“Red pill” is not about happiness. It’s about navigating life so you position yourself to be at an advantage in society. You can be happy or unhappy. It’s like money, it’s not going to guarantee happiness but it’s better to have it than not have it right?
Loved your final take, Kyle, I’ve got sons, and they are looking for support of the nature you described. There’s a real gap there as far as a left oriented version is concerned. I think without overstating it you provided a microdose of exactly that here and spoke to boys & men like them in exactly the way that hits the right note. Please keep going!
They've basically gone through everything Andrew Tate has ever said in order to justify de-platforming him. The truth of the matter is that its the algorithms UA-cam, Facebook, and Instagram have created are responsible for leading teens to depression, not Tate's content.
Tate who said he moved to Romania because r*pe laws are more lax and cops are easier to bribe? Ok.
You missed by a mile but got so close. The depression was there not from social media (though that was a contributer) but mainly from irl stuff for most kids. You're right the algorithm is the problem, because it's the algorithm that is the entire reason Tate got popular in the first place as Phillip DeFranco showed numerous times. The algorithm incentivizes controversial people. It makes these companies money. Furthermore, Tate is a far worse person than anything he said. SOG has a great video on him.
@@ManiacMayhem7256 don’t comment on something you don’t know about… he got it exactly right
@@Mmm-ix7eh
He got it only half right. There i fixed it for you. You should thank me. I know way more about it than you ever will
@@ikilledthemoon
Not in the video, but in many others he absolutely does. Watch Muta's video on him. He's Epstein Lite.
I think men have all the power? Quote where i said that. Most men never become rich but most rich people are men. That's just a given. That isn't a controversial thing to say, I'm just saying facts. It wouldn't be any better if women were rich, the issue is that rich people exist period while millions starve. You don't see the deep, only the surface level.
Kyle, it’s misogynistic to say that 19 year old girls have less sexual experience than 25 year olds so they are more desirable because men aren’t held to the same standard. Piers Morgan was a terrible interviewer.
I’m sorry but you definitely missed the mark on the first part Kyle. The idea that 19 year olds are “less used” than 25 year old women is TEXTBOOK misogyny. it’s disgusting to even call women used.
I’d like to see Kyle on fresh and fit. That would be a productive argument.
That would be interesting, but I think it'd ruin Kyle. He's too intelligent to not pick up some RP knowledge from the conversation and it'd probably throw his life into chaos.
@@djangomarine6658 this
@@djangomarine6658 Yeah. Kyle is definitely blue pilled
I swear to God, almost every one of these arguments stems from either personal insecurity or a fundamental misunderstanding of female anatomy.
or just bitterness towards women for having standards
Kyle all the reasons you're saying it's "naive" instead of misogynist actually expose exactly why its misogynistic: he doesn't view women as entire people with complex views about life and the world, he views them as sex puppets. You can say a lot of guys talk this way about women, and that's true, but that really just exposes how a lot of them have misogynistic attitudes. Btw, I'm not letting women off the hook, because you'll hear women speak in similarly degrading ways about men.
everything you're saying is meaningless because fundamentally: mate selection is the ultimate form of discrimination. You can whine about how unfair it is. Misogynist, misandrist, degrading, whatever. At the end of the day you can't logic your way into being a romantic prospect. There's no such thing as fairness in the realm of finding a partner. We're all animals with primal subconscious drives, which is _fine_. Any attempt on our part to label it with derogatory terms like "misogynist" which is the current go-to buzzword, is misguided and asinine. Preferences are preferences. As long as you're open about what the terms of the relationship are with your partner and they agree to that of their own free will, do whatever makes you happy.
@@ryanscott6578 I mean you can say that about literally any base instinct. People can have a base instinct to rape and have sex with children--doesn't really make that ok. Am I not allowed to label that with the 'derogatory' term 'pedophilia?'
It's also a matter of maturity, plain and simple. If you keep dating children (which 18-20 year olds are, in my book), you'll probably keep being exclusively attracted to them. Simply following your base instincts is terrible advice. You should listen to your instincts but also understand that you're a human with a whole big brain to use, and you can bring that into the picture. I don't judge couples who are of a different age, within reason, but I do judge people who seem to entirely evaluate people of the opposite sex on extremely vapid characteristics that end up having very little to do with what a successful relationship actually looks like.
But in Tate's case it goes beyond that--he seems to be angry about the fact that these women have had some life experience, some heartbreak. That's because he views them entirely as empty semen vessels. Obviously we all have that sexual part of our brains, but I reserve the right to call anyone who listens to only that part of their brain a misogynist, sorry not sorry.
@@jlr3739 It is impossible to deny that older women have more baggage that they bring into new relationships, in many cases. It is also true that men are attracted to youth. Young men and older men alike find younger women more attractive than men their own age. It's been scientifically proven that this is the case. It isn't a bad thing. You can try and infer bad intent, say it is vapid or misogynist or whatever, but it's a sexual preference.
Women have preferences relating to height, income, status, etc for men. One could call this misandrist or vapid, but at the end of the day that's the reality. Women value status, maturity, ambition and resources in men, and men value youth and femininity. Calling 18-20 year olds children is insane to me. You are an adult at that age. Maybe not in America where young adults are infantilized and coddled, but in the majority of the world that is the case. It's hard to overstate how bizarre it is to hear 18-20 year olds referred to as "children" as a non-American.
@@ryanscott6578 Just look at them, they are manifestly children. They look and sound like them too. Legally of course they are not, but it's a neurological fact that your brain doesn't finish developing until your mid twenties.
Again, sexual preference I have no problem with, but it's when you let those ultimately shallow preferences color your entire perception of the opposite sex that I have a problem with, and that's very obviously the case for Tate (and I guess probably you too since you're defending him so much).
I addressed women with similarly narrow-minded standards in my original comment. I am fine with calling the ones who boil a man's entire existence down to his height and wallet misandrists. There is no contradiction here.
Say what you want about Andrew Tate, but he isn't a moron
Kyle, I know you don't read comments, but I'm BEGGING you. Please watch Hasan's convos with Andrew Tate on the show and react.
@I'm A Black Milk In America maybe, but something tells me you never saw his segments where he actually spoke directly to Andrew.
@I'm A Black Milk In America and what you initially said had nothing to do with what I said.
If you treat a woman as a depreciating asset and do not view men the same (their view is that men grow in value as they age/acquire wealth) then it is misogyny.
well it isnt misogyny to say older women are less attractive well it isnt misogyny to say women value as romantic partners decrease as they age
@@raghavnamasivayam5098 your comment doesn’t even respond to what I said. It doesn’t make grammatical sense either lol. Please read slowly and carefully.
@@GerrySlander well I got yr statement you mean men and women lose value romantically when they age which is not true
well it isnt misogyny to say women lose value as romantic partners when they age but men dont lose thier value
@@raghavnamasivayam5098 Not my point dawg, you gotta slow down and make sure you understand comments. Saying that a man gains value through age and acquiring wealth, while saying that a woman doesn’t gain value through age and acquiring wealth is the literal definition of misogyny.
@@GerrySlander well the statement was understood well a man gains value as a romantic partner or not lose value as a romantic partner but a woman loses value as a romantic partner nobody said they become less of a human
well you could stop gaslighting people and learn the definition of misogyny
well kindly get educated
Andrew Tate is the king of troglodytes. It’s pretty rich that Piers Morgan of all people to be the person to call him out. They’re both toxic.
I don't really like throwing around labels like "red pill" or "MGTOW" (men going their own way) because even within those communities they disagree on core philosophies. Many men going their own way are bitter about it. I'm a man going my own way but realize that equal women's rights is for the greater good and believe that the economics of our society haven't yet caught up with the social women's rights movements. It wouldn't bother me to date a woman who's been with multiple guys before me, as long as we can occasionally role play certain fantasies. But until we have a solid social safety net for poverty and medical expenses like many Western European countries do, women are still going to be incentivized to date the guys with the most money. So, I'm just giving up on dating until I permanently move to Europe where money is not a hot topic in dating and where it's common for men and women to split the cost of a meal.
Bro, it has nothing to do with an economic safety net. Women will always want the "best" guy they can get. Men want hot women and women want a hot and more successful man. Society needs to understand that as we continue to empower women. (and disempower men) The result will be that those men that can stay at the top will be sleeping with the majority of the women. Human nature isn't going to change. It is what it is.
So let me translate my interpretation of his message. Younger people have less life experience. There closer to that prime mint condition. More mature women know what they want. They've had life experiences that have taught them not to put up with other people shit.
Biologically older women are less attractive. Its called forever 21 not forever 41.... And women say 6 pack, 6 geet, 6 figures is desirable all of the time. Is that sexist towards most men who are under those standards????
@@nicktanner8231 so do you think it's just women who find financial stability attractive? Because I definitely think guys would find hey partner that is his equal financially pretty appealing. As for forever 21 well do you think you're going to be 21 forever? Or is that just a standard that is applied to women propped up by ridiculous beauty standards?
@@moonmorth No man is aroused by a woman's financial earnings... However, women find this trait highly attractive. But most men do not make 6 figures statistically, so are women sexist or just being real about their standards? Most men accept what women want and dont judge them but you clearly cannot accept that men want younger women with less sexual activity. No high value man is going to give a woman in her 30s or later the same attention as younger 20 year olds. Just like most women wont take a man under 30 seriously until he starts making real money. It goes both ways
@@moonmorth Please stop sleeping with random dudes and keep your legs closed at all times.
@@nicktanner8231 Women are not looking for six figure salaries unless they're making that themselves. They are looking for an equal someone to grow with. Women want a future. So they look past the physical they are looking for someone who can provide. They have to consider more than just their own life when searching for a partner. Women need to make good money so that if they have to raise the child by themselves that is an option. Because every woman knows that that is a possibility. They have to consider the possibility of having children with this person. Both men and women are attracted to people who appear healthy. Women just don't consider an age attached to good genes.
The fact that this guy was deplatformed by multiple social media companies and banks at the same time in unison should really worry people.
More questions need to be asked on why and how this happened.
I’m not worried. F that guy lol
@@notanotherone5564 Its not about him
@@chriser555 Nahh: He can start his own platform if he doesn’t want to follow their rules. That’s how it goes.
@@notanotherone5564 "he". It's not about him.
The bigger picture is they can do that to any people they disagree with, Tate is rich, the average man will be decimated if the same happens to him
I can’t believe he platformed Andrew Tate. Probably the best numbers Piers has ever had. Clout chasing at its finest
If you’re a true leftist you should know the western economy literally largely runs off clout. Marketing is effectively clout chasing.
I would be very interested in an episode of Andrew Tate coming on Secular talk. I don’t think it would go all that well 😂
Everybody should know that this isn’t just ridiculously misogynistic but it’s also severely sociopathic.
You want to date women who are less experienced to douchebags that want them less experienced from the aforementioned douchebags.
With a sprinkle of colonialistic tendencies with the idea of conquering young women like their territories.
Omg I really must avoid the Internet more, I lost about 9000 brain cells reading your comment
Guys who are worried about body count are insecure. It is mindboggling they don't realize how transparent their actions are.
If only guy can have multiple women and the woman can't have multiple men, that's not polyamory that's polygamy
Slim likes 18 and 19 yr olds because they're easily manipulated to his BS!
Should we raise the age of consent
I wouldn't do all that, you're an adult at 18 do what you want to do! When I was in my 20s I wasn't dating teenagers. I wanted women around my age that I actually had something in common with! I can't even have a drink with you youngsters... I'm Koo
Kyle really downplays Tate's mysogony. Tate's whole thing are women are property. Also Tate's threatened to sue people for hurting his feelings.
He never said that and I don't even watch his content like that
lay of the soy
@@craigewen7542 Source on what? Both are easy to find.
@@spartanghost_17 Watch pretty much any clip of Tate. The boy thinks women exist to serve him.
If true it sounds like a certain Orange Man who can't take criticism.
I don’t think it’s too much of a reach to call it misogyny. It would have been better if Piers brought a more nuanced point of contention rather than just repeating the accusation. But having a preference for younger women, or as Kyle says, “moldable” suggests a woman who is groomable. A preference for a relationship based on molding a partner to your own preference rather than finding someone who has already established their self. This ultimately advocates for taking autonomy away from women and the objectification of women. How is this not misogyny? How is this not degrading of women?
Because he doesn’t hate women. How is not wanting to date an aggressive loud female an issue. We all have our preferences. If he said he liked old woman no one would bat an eye, but the latter, which is probably the more common answer is disliked and considered misogyny. Hating a group of women isn’t misogyny, hating women as a whole is misogyny. I hate women who yell at my face. How does that make me misogynistic, I hate it men when they yell at my face
bro you dont even know the real definition of mysogyny , mysogyny is a greek work standing for hatred of woman , andrew tate clearly doesnt hate woman he always has 30 around him , the logic is flawd and the research is lacking. people really need to educate themselves before speaking
Kyle is so right about getting your life in order and doing something you love before you try to accomplish everything at once. Once I actually started touching grass and devoting myself to an overarching “project” i.e. a career or a majorly fulfilling hobby, everything seemed to fall into place.
Preference for a younger woman is not misogyny. However Tate’s reason for why he prefers a 19 year old over a 25 year old is. He looks down on 25 year old women because some of them would have had the audacity to have sex with multiple partners. That’s misogynistic.
THIS
Taint is very attractive to insecure young men.
Whats concerning to me is the problem with age-differences and no one is talking about it. There is something predatory about 40-year-olds thirsting over 18-year-olds, even someone in their early 20s.
Are you saying 18 year olds are not strong independent and grown up women?
@@andrewcooper7340 Precisely.
@@elenacosta1040 so it is predatory for 40 year old a men in his peak value to date a 18 year old who is in her peak value ?
@@elenacosta1040that's a lot of words to say your a misogynist yourself
Destiny’s trying to fill that void of not having leftists giving advice. He’s gone on the fresh and fit podcast couple of times and all the reactions have been positive
Destiny is not a leftist but still good on him
@@sirius1696 so what is he then???????
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Liberal. I'm aware that to most people this sounds like a contradiction, but that's because they're American brain poisoned.
I've never understood guys that are insecure about women that have had previous relationships, or a number of ex-boyfriends. Literally never ever mattered to me, but some of my friends were real funny and insecure about it. Like so fucking what, she's got a relationship history, who cares?!
It's not really about how many relationships she's been in, it's really about not wanting to be with a chick who has random hookups with a ton of dudes (aka h0rring around). No dude who has self respect wants to be with the town bicycle, if you know what I mean.
There's just a difference between a woman with 50 plus guys and a woman with 10 guys or so. The one with 50 has obviously had plenty one night stands and multiple partners and that's not something I think most guys would be down with marrying. Wanting a virgin is a little predatory. I think most men would ideally want a woman with experience but not one that has been with every guy in New York lol
If you are unable to casually destroy a vile, idiotic worm like Tate, and even render yourself impotent with a weak gotcha, you don't deserve to have a single word ever heard again by anyone
Better sow your mouth shut then, Moose.
Misogyny is the hate or contempt for women people actually need to know the definition
6:03 shaming/valuing a woman for the number of sexual partners she's had is inherently objectifying and misogynist especially when you don't hold men to the same standards. Human beings are not commodities that lose value when you 'use' them.
8:49 preference for virgins is about a predatory power dynamic not merely insecurity
This is absolutely the match up I didn't think I needed. Two immovable objects go head to head
Tate is 4 time world champion, he would have no problem moving Piers Morgan
@@chrisjones8566 since when was this about physical violence?
And my comment is rooting against both of them so idk where you're coming from
@@jedimaster0667 physical violence runs the world. From police down to average citizens stopping petty criminals.
@@FazeParticles therefore what?
@@jedimaster0667 Any conflict or disagreement carries an inherent risk of physical violence, so in a sense it's always about physical violence?
You should interview Tate, Piers was just out to get him, he was not even letting him talk
Lol, that would be interesting.
Kyle at 20 years would definitely be an Andrew tate fan lol.
Can't argue, after seeing Old Kyle Kulinski Tweets on twitter
Kyle’s understanding of misogyny is quite shallow.
Piers was ill prepared -when he had an opportunity to really hold Tate accountable.
It's so depressing how stupid our media figures are.
Accountable for what?
@@trevorv9218 - I suppose for being an immature a$$#ole and misogynistic attitude towards women.
He was prepared but with horrible tactics
Piers is not that guy.
With older age comes maturity, but often more baggage. With younger age comes immaturity, but often less baggage and damage done. It’s a trade off. Some people prefer one or the other. And people should be ALLOWED to have their OWN preference 🤷🏻♂️
But he’s not stating it as a preference. He’s calling it an “uncomfortable truth.”
@@kevintse2870 oh sorry I was replying to Kyle not Andrew haha. What Andrew said is gross
The emotional baggage and damage of being a promiscuous woman is an uncomfortable truth, though. That's why most men except Tate will _think_ it, but not say it out loud.
@@Thedavidjkelly coward
@@ryanscott6578 here's what I think, I think men should have more self esteem and stop letting their penises control them, men should defend themselves and have morals to stop women from using them, lol if I were a man I would look for a wife and not sleep with 20 women till I am ready to marry.. Most men simp for big fake butts and be spending money to get laid.. That's not being a man that's being a lost soul without values
Finally Kyle talked about Andrew
He tip toes around it and plays stupid. He's scared to be honest. Where's the edgy kyle lol
@@OT_concerned_citizen I mean Andrew has the same ideology like 99% of rappers. Kyle is into hip hop, so...
@@phurinkazan nothing Andrew said in this video was challenged by Kyle .