Wizards Of The Coast's NEWEST AI Scandal Explained! Why Does This Keep Happening?!
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- The Character Sheet is back with some major TTRPG and Fantasy news, as Wizards of the Coast has found itself in yet ANOTHER big AI controversey after a job listing for an AI Engineer who would create art assets...so is the company behind D&D and Magic the Gathering going back on their No AI art pledge...or is this something else entirely with Hasbro looking to push AI somewhere besides D&D and Magic The Gathering?
Find out what the latest WotC AI scandal is all about...and why these AI issues keep blowing up in the face of Hasbro, Wizards of the Coast, and Dungeons & Dragons as we break it all down for you on The Character Sheet!
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Do you want AI art in your Video Games...and do you Trust Hasbro to keep AI away from D&D and Magic The Gathering....or is it only a matter of time before they break that promise? Let us know!
No, I want to have real art and not lazy plagiarism
And I don’t trust hasbro at all
yes, we do want ai art in games, and no, we dont expect them to not use it. We dont want them to keep there appeasing lie to you, we want them to use the tech to provide product.
Yes, AI please.
People need to read the wizard AI statement, they never said they are against it, the statement says they won’t use it for the final product, meaning they will use AI for 95% and then allow artists to fix the problems. It’s PR weasel language like if I tell somebody I won’t kill them, and then I burn the building they are in to the ground and shrug my shoulders with “the fire got them, not me”
I knew this was coming the instant they included the wiggle words into their AI policy.
The key sentence was them talking about how generative AI was not permitted to be used to generate “final” products. I write technical procedures for a living, and if I wanted to ban the use of AI, I’d simply and concisely state, “AI shall not be used.” Anything else I include would be purely for the purpose of baking permissions into the cake, so if I wanted to, say, allow gen. AI to be used for rough concept art to help the writers and maybe to provide to the artists as a “this is sort of what I was thinking, now make it good,” that would be cause for additional words, but if your goal is to put a stop to its use altogether, that’s super simple to write.
You could use your gen. AI platform of choice to spit out a full piece of art, pop it open in photoshop and change a few minor details, and submit it to WotC almost entirely untouched by human hands, and you’d be in verbatim compliance with their policy as written, and with the size of their organization, there’s no way that was an accident.
TLDR, I don’t believe for a second that this won’t be all over D&D the moment they think nobody’s looking.
To be fair, it is unclear if this will be D&D or Magic related, but it certainly is something we will need to keep an eye on
Keep AI where it belongs in video games and away from the products you buy for the table. If a gm wants that at there table they can get it from a number of places them self and its fine.
Wizards really doesn't care... they will use whatever they want, whenever they want, how they want... as long as Hasbro makes money, they don't care.
My personal opinion is that it can be a future imagination and job killer. I grew up wanting to emulate my favorite comic artist, so I practiced became pretty good… did mine look like his? No. Why? Because no matter how much we emulate and take inspiration, we are still individuals who’s personal style rises to the top and we can distinguish artist from artist, no matter how much we “copy” the style. You can tell Jim Lee from Rob Liefeld, from Todd McFarland, etc. because of the human element.
AI takes one person to say “make me this scene in this style and poof: AI generated laziness that has no soul.
I’ll just stop there, cause one, I’m at work (shhhhhh), and two, I could and can go deeper but nobody wants to read THAT much comment under a UA-cam video 😂
Well it’s WotC so I’m not surprised.
Hasbro is even worse so….
It’s funny that people don’t seem to mind automation until it impacts them in some way, all I can say to all the crying artists out there is learn to adapt and learn to code.
Same C-suite, same gutting of the actual D&D game and it's creativity. Nothing will change until Wizards is either sold off, or folded into some hellish amalgamation under the Hasbro umbrella.
For good or for bad, it is clear that the leadership at Hasbro is driving the ship for WotC.
I dont know men, First people complain abourt the D&D modules being boring and lacking content, and now Complain about thecontracting of AI experts and people start defending the creative teams of WotC. suddenly all their content is GOLD. I prefer to wait and see.
Totally fair. WotC is definitely trying to do a 180 after an extremely rough 2023
Would Hasbro/WotC consider their D&D VTT to be a "video game project", I wonder?
If so, then AI-generated art could end up "leaking" into D&D from that angle...
It all depends on how the AI is being used. Which we dont know based on the job description.
It could be in relation to video games as they said, it could be in relation to published books, or it could be something else, like developing a DM assistant AI that can quickly generate helpful Art/sound/text for a dm to use in game
We just dont know.
As someone COMPLETELY against using AI to replace artists/voice actors/writers, I have no issue with using it as a tool to aid in the creation of art. So if a musician used AI to help create a beat they use in a song, or this case where it is using AI to help the writers come up with branching paths to enhance the game, then I am all for it.
AI is a tool, not a replacement for people and should never be used to replace anyone's job (except those in the C-Suite). We have to remember that nuance is VERY important and cannot view things as black and white.
This is almost certainly about automating parts of their VTT and video games which have been using less advanced AI for decades.
Why do you think Hasbro let so many artists go? It's so they could use AI art for everything.
Ask yourself this: how many times have you heard about stealing stuff in ttrpgs context? No one's ashamed to say that he "stole" that concept, or that idea for a twist, or this character for his campaign? You will find advice to "steal" in so many guides for GM's, using that exact verb. It's okay when you're not making money, but what changes when you write a campaing as a product? Nothing, the process is the same, people will just be careful not to mention stealing ideas anymore.
in most of the cases you are referring to, "steal" is effectively being used as slang for "inspired by". it is the motive that is important here; a GM "stealing" something for their home game was likely thinking "that's a cool idea, let's see where I can take this in my own implementation" whereas plagiarism in a product is often motivated by the thinking of "this is/has the potential to be commercially successful, I want to cash in". the former is done out of admiration for the source material, whereas the latter is often nothing more than a shameless attempt to make a quick buck.
One more reasons not buy anything from Hasbro ever again.
We're like the old people saying get off that 'Puter and go outside! Guys AI is everywhere now......we can't keep fighting it like that. The only AI that was "bad" was AI art instead of regular art.
I don't think anyone is against literal video game interaction AI (like programming enemy behaviors), it is only the "...and create art assets" part that caused the uproar. That kind of AI has been in video games for decades and isn't really even ai, just programmed animations and behavior of in game objects.
I'm not an AI nerd or anything, but, AI has been a thing in basically every video game in recent memory. You use it for pathing, dialogue etc I don't see why anyone would get upset about this
The problem is not basic mechanics it is replacing art and story telling with stitched together generated and possibly plagiarized content
Yeah, that part is fine, it was the "Art Assets" part that has people really alarmed, as Ai art is such an incredibly sore subject that 2 of Hasbro's biggest brands have put out statements against it...but given how much Chris Cocks advocates it, they may simply not have a choice some point in the very near future.
@@pokegardfirst learn to use commas, second: possibly? Well prove it, if you can't, there's no issue. Plagiarazing in the same way that any fantasy today is a ripoff of Tolkien? Since you're so clever come up with a way to separate pagiarism from inspiration. Third, if the content is bad, well it will fail, no problem there. If it's good, well why would I not use it if I were a ttrpg developer?
1: fair
2: it is usually plagiarized in the sense it is machine learning taking from training data that wasn’t given to it with consent from the owner. And a non-sentient entity can’t be inspired
3: you can use it, ai is extremely good for inspiration and concept art and such. But it can’t be used in the finished product like you can’t just write half of lord of the rings first paragraph and then claim it to be yours. In addition to art being something made with meaning beyond the practical and a non-sentient entity can’t make meaning, just generate
Edit: autocorrect
My personal opinion is that it can be a future imagination and job killer. I grew up wanting to emulate my favorite comic artist, so I practiced became pretty good… did mine look like his? No. Why? Because no matter how much we emulate and take inspiration, we are still individuals who’s personal style rises to the top and we can distinguish artist from artist, no matter how much we “copy” the style. You can tell Jim Lee from Rob Liefeld, from Todd McFarland, etc. because of the human element.
AI takes one person to say “make me this scene in this style and poof: AI generated laziness that has no soul.
I’ll just stop there, cause one, I’m at work (shhhhhh), and two, I could and can go deeper but nobody wants to read THAT much comment under a UA-cam video 😂
Very good video I Like It Good coverage. But I need you to use your influence to get Hasbro to make a Dungeons and Dragons risk board game
Honestly shocking one doesn't exists, come to think of it
A different board for each setting, with a small expansion box that provides rules for playing with multiple planes simultaneously.
@@hweidigiv let's start a trend!
So they aren't using AI in D&D, they are using AI in D&D videogames.... Splitting hairs much, Hasbro???
That seems to be the consensus among most people!
@@TheCharacterSheet To be perfectly fair, AI in videogames makes perfect sense. I don't have a problem with that. But to some degree this is all still taking place under the WotC company banner so it becomes questionable.
better question is, why would we care that they use it? No reason not to. AI is the future, and will grant us much better and cost efficient products.
It is cost efficient in the way that stealing bread from a baker is a "Cost efficient" way of eating or stealing a car is a "cost efficient" way of driving.
@@TheCharacterSheet lmfao. tell us you dont understand at all why dont you. Theft has a meaning, and this isnt it champ.
Thank you for the reporting!
Our pleasure!
The moment I saw the posting and working in the tech industry I knew it was related to video games so I didn't bother with the outrage. I doubt that Hasbro is willing to risk it all again by trying to sneak AI into their D&D TTRPG and MTG products. Stay vigilant of course but I suspect will be a long time before Hasbro tries again ha.
How long will it take for people to realize AI is a dumb idea
The problem is that unlike crypto, Web3, NFTs, etc., generative AI actually does produce something usable for something more than speculative investment. It just does so in a way that's fraught with ethical, social, quality, and creative concerns. So it's not just the latest buzzword fad for techbros, venture capitalists, and scammers to pounce on, it's actually something that businesses can use to cut human costs, not unlike automated assembly lines in factories, and the only way to keep it out of whatever industry you care about is for consumers to make its use cost more than it saves.
@@dezopenguin9649 That's still a dumb idea...no computer can create art like a human can because we have something technology doesn't.
Passion
Hasbro is cursed: When your woke fan base is more toxic than Vecna'
If we want to see change why not scare them again with mass subscription drops
Nothing wrong with AI. It's here, live with it and adapt.
AI is the future , not just in gaming but in business and society as a whole. Frankly, it’s already here in many places.
It’s simply going to happen so folks might as well get used to the idea now.
The scandal is not caused by AI; it is caused by the luddites that are scared of new technology. Production techniques change. Using a printing press took away the job of a lot of scribes. This is not a scandal, it is the future. The scandal is not accepting it (and you will soon, this whole thing reminds me of the people that said they would not want a phone/computer in their pocket, and we all know how long that stance lasted…).
Fully agree. Copilot has been a true game changer for how I prep for D&D each week!
Why tf wouldn't I want AI? IDGAF. Nothing unethical about it. Horse transport industry probably whined like that when cars came.
It is usually unethical to mass plagiarize without consent and then sell it
Especially for the sole purpose of not having to pay people who actually can do the thing you are looking for
This. AI Doesn't MAKE anything. It steals a bunch of actual human's works and composites them together, often badly
@@pokegard well plagiarism is easy to prove. Let the victims of plagiarism come out and show how their creations were stolen. Since they can't, they won't. As for art, just the death throes of artists that suddenly became obsolete. Let people choose what they use, AI or human artist. I bet there will remain a niche. Why would the industry stick with an outdated solution? The device that you're typing this on was not assembled by hand by some person, but by robots. I bet those workers complained about being replaced too, no one remembers now.
@@TheCharacterSheet well if it's bad, no problem, it won't sell. It creates as much as I do. When I wrote my fantasy adventure, did I invent fantasy? Of course not, someone else did, I just put together a bunch of fantasy tropes that I've been fed during my entire life.
@@kelseysvenson8544it is hard to prove plagiarism when it happens like this
And feel free to use whatever when making a product sure, but art is something made with meaning beyond the practical. And ai doesn’t have a concept of meaning
And in addition to this I would like to say that a business model based on ignoring people in favor for theft is different then replacing people for automation
There was a short on the official D&D channel where they were talking about how the 2024 handbook had its art and writing done in tandem, how the art clearly represents what is written. I can’t say this definitively, but it sure did sound like they were skirting around saying that they used the text as a prompt for AI art. Just don’t be too surprised if the book comes out and there’s yet another AI controversy