@@Madnessofdwing It means that a girl would get pregnant, THEN get married. Then her baby was “early”, to save face. After that, her kids were the usual 9 months or so. Of course they were nine months too. But it was a fib.
Thank You So Much for sharing!! When my mother was dying… I asked her… Was there any Regrets… She turned to me took my hand… And said Suze...I never made it to Ireland ❣️ So glad You returned and are finding Your Families Roots💐 Stay Safe Beloveds ❤️
My great grandma was 6 months pregnant with my grandmother when she married the father of her child. When the baby (my grandmother) was born with physical handicaps he sent the mother and baby out of his home. My great grandma then filed for divorce and WON three years later. This was 1937, women couldn't have their own bank accounts back then but the judge still ruled in her favor and demanded that he paid child support. When he did not the reporters in their town blasted him and portrayed him as the deadbeat that he was- dancing with girls on the allowance from his WEALTHY father. I wish I had known this when Nana was alive so I could give her a high five for handling her business like a BOSS. She raised her baby, worked, AND researched treatments while divorcing during the Great Depression.
_Is it just me..?_ *Or all of these episodes: #1: don't indicate what order to watch #2: never has the ending???* So frustrating!!! If anyone knows how to watch a FULL story IN ORDER please put me out of my misery!
My husband has ancestors with a similar story. His 3rd great grandfather married his 3rd great grandmother when she was 8 months pregnant with his 2nd great grandfather. Not only that he was 53, a widower, and she was 23. He had a son 24 who was married and had children. We wonder if the son got her pregnant so he married her to save her reputation. We think that because my husband matches a distant cousin who descends from the brother of his first wife. Since his ancestress was the second wife he should not match the first wife's family since the 2 women were not related.
- Look for the haplotype of the men. It will reveal the father's line. - Unless she got pregnant by her own brother that her baby had the line of the males in her household. (Hopefully not)
In our village, it was SO important to have kids that marriages were NOT pronounced unless the bride was obviously pregnant and the wedding will be guaranteed to produce children. A practical solution for a village plagued by infertility issues at a time of massive deaths ( wars, plagues etc) . Practically, that means that most wedding are 4-5 months before birth of first child which would bear a funny name of "fast kid" ( about 3 months to confirm the pregnancy plus one month to prepare the wedding) And yes, they were super religious, bound by the " make kids and cover the earth". Even the traditional wedding dress is a testimony to the tradition.
That is SOOO amazingly interesting. I'm going to go with the other question: which village is this? I, so much, prefer to hear the REAL stories of the people, in their own experiences, rather than "official" cultural descriptions, that ALWAYS come with some industrial, religious or political slant.
The first time I visited Belfast, I stayed at the hotel just opposite from where Graham is standing there on Sandy Row. I wasn’t entirely sure I was in the right place.
She was quite along in her pregnancy when she married, but maybe it was because the father was away? Maybe working elsewhere, or maybe even in jail? It could have been any reason
Yes, many reasons. My husband went military when I got pregnant for their health ins. We got married when he got leave between bootcamp and school starting.
If this marriage took place in Northern Ireland, perhaps the reason the woman's maiden name and/or lack of parent name suggests the marriage was outside the faith? Some families just did not bend that far. I am referencing the movie " Fiddler on the Roof" just as a line of thought.
The Catholic Church requires that weddings be conducted according to canonical form, which for mixed marriages means that either the wedding is conducted by the Catholic spouse's parish priest or that the bishop issues a dispensation allowing the couple to marry in a Protestant ceremony. If no dispensation is issued and the wedding still goes forward in the Protestant church the Catholic Church won't consider it valid. (This is because Catholics consider marriage a sacramental bond as well as a legal one.) I can therefore see the Catholic church refusing to acknowledge a marriage of that sort but I can't see a Protestant church refusing, especially in NI.
After spending many years searching records about my scots-Irish great grand parents-I have discovered there are often spelling/pronunciation errors to be taken into consideration and experimentation to increase possibilities.
I'm using my Dad's device. He and I both grew up believing we were Irish. Living in the south, our last name would often be mispronounced in a way that would make me cringe - always a nasal-ly, overdone hillbilly pronunciation - that would require a very different spelling. Dad and sis did DNA tests a few years back. Turns out due to my grandfather's illiteracy (Dad's dad), someone else had carved his name incorrectly into a keepsake which caused 3 generations of people to be mis-named! I'm actually kind of glad, as the true spelling still gets butchered here in the south. And the DNA search put us in touch with an unknown cousin who had confirmation that we are indeed Scotish. Not a big deal, but unexpected. Stranger yet, my Grandfather's widow (2nd wife) has the original Scottish spelling on his grave.
@Larry Lawayne my great grandmothers death certificate lists her mothers name as ellen kivlin from county kerry as provided by her eldest daughter and i spent ages looking for kivlin only to discover its pronounced kivlin but is spelled kivilihan.
It is very hard to trace one's roots back before 1800 in N. Ireland. I have found through research that when the child is illegitimate, only the mother's maiden surname is recorded.
why would iit be so hard to believe as my father took my mother who was pregnant with me on at four month gestation by another man, the married her 4 months later and I was born Jan the following year. Dad was a very good natured person and was evtake on mum other illigitament Daughter as well.
Looking after another's child from birth does happen but, as mentioned, not often. We know of the most famous person who did that and he never gets recognition - a carpenter living around the Galilee area a little over 2000 years ago called Joseph.
@@paolagrando5079 Perhaps not these days, when both men and women are randomly having babies with people they met a month ago. But in a different era, there were gentlemen who stepped forward to help out a woman in distress. A wonderful man did that for my grandmother, and they were married over sixty years. As late as the 1970s, I knew men who married a girl in trouble, and made the best of it. Today's culture is totally different. So much breeding, so little care from the mom or dad except when it comes to child support. No family history, no roots, no personal heritage for the kids. Sad.
In 1928 my grandmother, six months pregnant at the time, married a man she'd never met before that very day. Her father had paid the man to marry her after she returned from California in an interesting condition.
NO, the "biggest problem imaginable" at that time, might be a man who was dealing with his homosexuality being revealed. THAT would be the perfect person to have married a woman 8 months pregnant. Mutual interest in social standing. HOW EXHAUSTING!!!
Lol, my family are farmers and have all been from the same area, for like... The past 300 hundred years at least? So, no need for me to wonder about them. 😅
In my family tree, up to 3-4 genertions back i am a phenoenon. I was born more then 9 month after the marrige. apart from me there was just one, the first cousine of my other. So on my mothers side i can only speak it was a bit like a tradtion being pragnent at the wedding. A lot of 3 month or 5 month preganancys ;-) one was even born 3 month before. So marry late in prganancy maybe isn't a thing of putting the head in the sand. Sometimes it maybe is like it is today. you relay don't want to marry thet person just because you get pregnant. Or sometimes it was a bit harder. First the priest must be avalible and then you have to annonce the marrige before some time. Priest ill or died new priest on the way came late, then the bans took another 3-4 weeks i think it was... so time runs
Mine are from what they call "the Midlands" (Cavan, Monaghan) when I first went over we drove round the area and ended up on the tip of the Southern Ireland - Northern Irish border x
Lol doing genealogy all the skeletons come out of the closet. One of my grandmothers was a "7 months" baby. We knew she was the eldest child, but we did not know the real wedding date when her parents married until research finding the court records, we discovered about 15 years ago their wedding date was 3 months later than she believed. she believed she came 10 months after their wedding. She died almost 40 years ago so she never knew this.
and my hubby had an ancestor that was 8 months pregnant at her wedding, his great grandfather was born a month after his parents married. His mother was 23 and his legal father 53. Because my hubby matches this man's first wife's sister's descendants, we think maybe this man's son who was married and aged 24 when his dad married this ancestress, we think the son got a girl "in a family away" that was not his wife, so his widowed dad married her to save her from shame. We already learned their other children (5 kids total) that their descendants do not match the first wife's sister's descendants. Genealogy and DNA tests have uncovered many a long-buried family secret.
Please! Treat the records with greater care when turning pages. Wear gloves so that oils from the hands is not left behind. You r hurting me here. Great story. I’ll say what someone said to me once. Know that ppl have differing libidos before judge. I’ve done so.
Can't believe that woman applied the word "illegitimate " to a human being. Is that word still used? There's no such thing as an illegitimate person! Everyone is legitimate 😄She meant born outside of marriage.
What’s with the weird bubble pockets on the side of the genealogist skirt? She’s too young to be dressing like an old woman & needs a makeover fitting for her age
My grandfather used to say, "The first baby can arrive at any time. All the rest take 9 months."
That’s fantastic!
😂😂oh my! Grandpa was witty. And right!
what exactly does it mean :D ?
@@Madnessofdwing It means that a girl would get pregnant, THEN get married. Then her baby was “early”, to save face. After that, her kids were the usual 9 months or so. Of course they were nine months too. But it was a fib.
That’s what my dad used to say, too!
Thank You So Much for sharing!! When my mother was dying… I asked her… Was there any Regrets… She turned to me took my hand… And said Suze...I never made it to Ireland ❣️ So glad You returned and are finding Your Families Roots💐 Stay Safe Beloveds ❤️
I love Graham Norton. Wish I could see this entire episode of "Who Do You Think You Are"
My great grandma was 6 months pregnant with my grandmother when she married the father of her child. When the baby (my grandmother) was born with physical handicaps he sent the mother and baby out of his home. My great grandma then filed for divorce and WON three years later. This was 1937, women couldn't have their own bank accounts back then but the judge still ruled in her favor and demanded that he paid child support.
When he did not the reporters in their town blasted him and portrayed him as the deadbeat that he was- dancing with girls on the allowance from his WEALTHY father. I wish I had known this when Nana was alive so I could give her a high five for handling her business like a BOSS. She raised her baby, worked, AND researched treatments while divorcing during the Great Depression.
I LOVE this story! 👍 Way to go, Great Grandma
My grandparents married on the 27th of December 1921, their first child was born on the 31st of December 1921. 🤔
Damn! Cutting it close.
Wowww
Same here. My grandparents married 1 month before the birth of their first child.
There is nothing new under the sun.
He’s probably got a lot of cousins floating around out there that have no idea they’re related to him lol
His great grandmother looked just like one of the pictures he showed Daniel Radcliffe on his show... This is weird🤔
Hahaah she does aswell 😅
The Graham Nortan show?
Yes I remember that
was it not the same year? 2007?
I love how the BBC very cleverly zoomed in on the IRA spray paint when he said the loyalist paramilitary murals were painted by terrorists lol
Indeed. It was very touching of Graham to refer to the Loyalists as terrorists though, wasn't it? 😁
_Is it just me..?_ *Or all of these episodes: #1: don't indicate what order to watch #2: never has the ending???* So frustrating!!! If anyone knows how to watch a FULL story IN ORDER please put me out of my misery!
They get put on BBC IPlayer but often get taken off again, there’s never normally a lot on there
''They seem nice...'' That face!!!
Hilarious how his grandma looks just like him with glasses and a wig.
I thought she looked like Mrs Brown
At that time, in that place, I can only wonder about the shame and guilt that people would have poured on her. The pressure must have been intense!
My husband has ancestors with a similar story. His 3rd great grandfather married his 3rd great grandmother when she was 8 months pregnant with his 2nd great grandfather. Not only that he was 53, a widower, and she was 23. He had a son 24 who was married and had children. We wonder if the son got her pregnant so he married her to save her reputation. We think that because my husband matches a distant cousin who descends from the brother of his first wife. Since his ancestress was the second wife he should not match the first wife's family since the 2 women were not related.
and lol I found out my grandmother was not quite a 7 month baby. Her parents married mid December 1895 and she was born in early July1896.
- Look for the haplotype of the men. It will reveal the father's line. - Unless she got pregnant by her own brother that her baby had the line of the males in her household. (Hopefully not)
He is funny, smart and soooo goodlooking!!!
In our village, it was SO important to have kids that marriages were NOT pronounced unless the bride was obviously pregnant and the wedding will be guaranteed to produce children. A practical solution for a village plagued by infertility issues at a time of massive deaths ( wars, plagues etc) . Practically, that means that most wedding are 4-5 months before birth of first child which would bear a funny name of "fast kid" ( about 3 months to confirm the pregnancy plus one month to prepare the wedding) And yes, they were super religious, bound by the " make kids and cover the earth". Even the traditional wedding dress is a testimony to the tradition.
I've never heard of that before. Where is this?
Where is your village? In Ireland?
Very interesting!
That is SOOO amazingly interesting. I'm going to go with the other question: which village is this?
I, so much, prefer to hear the REAL stories of the people, in their own experiences, rather than "official" cultural descriptions, that ALWAYS come with some industrial, religious or political slant.
The first time I visited Belfast, I stayed at the hotel just opposite from where Graham is standing there on Sandy Row. I wasn’t entirely sure I was in the right place.
Sweet, but what's your point?
She was quite along in her pregnancy when she married, but maybe it was because the father was away? Maybe working elsewhere, or maybe even in jail? It could have been any reason
The child was still conceived out of wedlock - that in itself was the problem
In those days that was a terrible stigma and shame on the family, and remained so until at least the 1960s in Britain!
@@stewartw.9151 Even longer in southern Ireland.
@@nutcracker2916 I agree, my Mum was born a McClusky!
Yes, many reasons. My husband went military when I got pregnant for their health ins. We got married when he got leave between bootcamp and school starting.
Oh wow, thank you so much for the upload!
I cant look at Graham Norton without thinking of Father Noel Furlong...
Haha and me 😂😂😂😂
So much text in description but did not bothered to mention the date of first broadcasting. ;-(
Google is your friend. 2007
If this marriage took place in Northern Ireland, perhaps the reason the woman's maiden name and/or lack of parent name suggests the marriage was outside the faith? Some families just did not bend that far. I am referencing the movie " Fiddler on the Roof" just as a line of thought.
The Catholic Church requires that weddings be conducted according to canonical form, which for mixed marriages means that either the wedding is conducted by the Catholic spouse's parish priest or that the bishop issues a dispensation allowing the couple to marry in a Protestant ceremony. If no dispensation is issued and the wedding still goes forward in the Protestant church the Catholic Church won't consider it valid. (This is because Catholics consider marriage a sacramental bond as well as a legal one.) I can therefore see the Catholic church refusing to acknowledge a marriage of that sort but I can't see a Protestant church refusing, especially in NI.
After spending many years searching records about my scots-Irish great grand parents-I have discovered there are often spelling/pronunciation errors to be taken into consideration and experimentation to increase possibilities.
Yes! I agree. I have also found that some of my ancestors went by nicknames that had no similarity to their given names. SO frustrating!
I'm using my Dad's device. He and I both grew up believing we were Irish. Living in the south, our last name would often be mispronounced in a way that would make me cringe - always a nasal-ly, overdone hillbilly pronunciation - that would require a very different spelling. Dad and sis did DNA tests a few years back. Turns out due to my grandfather's illiteracy (Dad's dad), someone else had carved his name incorrectly into a keepsake which caused 3 generations of people to be mis-named! I'm actually kind of glad, as the true spelling still gets butchered here in the south. And the DNA search put us in touch with an unknown cousin who had confirmation that we are indeed Scotish. Not a big deal, but unexpected. Stranger yet, my Grandfather's widow (2nd wife) has the original Scottish spelling on his grave.
@Larry Lawayne my great grandmothers death certificate lists her mothers name as ellen kivlin from county kerry as provided by her eldest daughter and i spent ages looking for kivlin only to discover its pronounced kivlin but is spelled kivilihan.
My grandmother was married...but not to my dad's father.
It is very hard to trace one's roots back before 1800 in N. Ireland. I have found through research that when the child is illegitimate, only the mother's maiden surname is recorded.
when was this filmed? the computer at around the 2 min mark looks antediluvian
Based on Graham’s hair colour I would guess mid to late 2000’s
October 2007 apparently
Seems around 2007, but you've got to take in mind, that they're not privat computers, so they're almost always way outdated
I have done some genealogy of my own. What you find is astounding.
why would iit be so hard to believe as my father took my mother who was pregnant with me on at four month gestation by another man, the married her 4 months later and I was born Jan the following year. Dad was a very good natured person and was evtake on mum other illigitament Daughter as well.
Hats off to a man like that. Commendable.
Because it doesn't happen that often.
Looking after another's child from birth does happen but, as mentioned, not often. We know of the most famous person who did that and he never gets recognition - a carpenter living around the Galilee area a little over 2000 years ago called Joseph.
Rhianalanthula that’s just a myth. How can you believe that ancient fairy tale?
@@paolagrando5079 Perhaps not these days, when both men and women are randomly having babies with people they met a month ago. But in a different era, there were gentlemen who stepped forward to help out a woman in distress. A wonderful man did that for my grandmother, and they were married over sixty years. As late as the 1970s, I knew men who married a girl in trouble, and made the best of it. Today's culture is totally different. So much breeding, so little care from the mom or dad except when it comes to child support. No family history, no roots, no personal heritage for the kids. Sad.
I would have liked to have seen showing his mum what he found out
My mother is a Logan. Family originally from Scotland. I believe the town of Laggan. Logan's from Laggan :)
O4:30 I thought it said squirter, but yeah that’d be a bit to much information for a form like that!!!🤷🏻♂️😅
In 1928 my grandmother, six months pregnant at the time, married a man she'd never met before that very day. Her father had paid the man to marry her after she returned from California in an interesting condition.
those nerve wracking narrow irish roads!
NO, the "biggest problem imaginable" at that time, might be a man who was dealing with his homosexuality being revealed. THAT would be the perfect person to have married a woman 8 months pregnant. Mutual interest in social standing. HOW EXHAUSTING!!!
My paternal grandparents were married 4 days before my dad was born
Your great grandparents are the same era born in the 1890s as my paternal grandparents. I’m around the same age as you...
Part 2! 😍 🥳
This is so exciting!
Granny looks like Phil Donahue in drag
Damn, you're right!
His great grandmother looks related to Greg Davies.
I'm guessing this was done before the virus
I adore Graham!
This was done before LCD monitors lol
This is years old. At least 10 I'd say
Yeah, he looks much younger.
My family are from ballymena too this was interesting to watch
Sad but true. 💚
Lol, my family are farmers and have all been from the same area, for like... The past 300 hundred years at least? So, no need for me to wonder about them. 😅
The torture of being a woman of that age. I can only imagine. It’s hard enough now.
She looked like Brendan O'Carroll's Mrs Brown as I'm sure many did.
In my family tree, up to 3-4 genertions back i am a phenoenon. I was born more then 9 month after the marrige. apart from me there was just one, the first cousine of my other.
So on my mothers side i can only speak it was a bit like a tradtion being pragnent at the wedding. A lot of 3 month or 5 month preganancys ;-) one was even born 3 month before.
So marry late in prganancy maybe isn't a thing of putting the head in the sand. Sometimes it maybe is like it is today. you relay don't want to marry thet person just because you get pregnant.
Or sometimes it was a bit harder. First the priest must be avalible and then you have to annonce the marrige before some time. Priest ill or died new priest on the way came late, then the bans took another 3-4 weeks i think it was... so time runs
thats where my famuly is from.
My Irish family is from wexford. That's southern right?
Right at the bottom of the island 😂
Mine are from what they call "the Midlands" (Cavan, Monaghan) when I first went over we drove round the area and ended up on the tip of the Southern Ireland - Northern Irish border x
as south as you can get before your feet get wet
@danielle gager its in the south alright. On the east coast between county wicklow and waterford. Tis about a 40 min drive to dublin
Very southern
Funny how great gran was nice but, her daughter was so proper?
Lol doing genealogy all the skeletons come out of the closet. One of my grandmothers was a "7 months" baby. We knew she was the eldest child, but we did not know the real wedding date when her parents married until research finding the court records, we discovered about 15 years ago their wedding date was 3 months later than she believed. she believed she came 10 months after their wedding. She died almost 40 years ago so she never knew this.
and my hubby had an ancestor that was 8 months pregnant at her wedding, his great grandfather was born a month after his parents married. His mother was 23 and his legal father 53. Because my hubby matches this man's first wife's sister's descendants, we think maybe this man's son who was married and aged 24 when his dad married this ancestress, we think the son got a girl "in a family away" that was not his wife, so his widowed dad married her to save her from shame. We already learned their other children (5 kids total) that their descendants do not match the first wife's sister's descendants. Genealogy and DNA tests have uncovered many a long-buried family secret.
@@peachygal4153 So 24 year old and 53 year old went on to have four children together. I guess it's no different to Robert De Niro becoming a father.
Please! Treat the records with greater care when turning pages. Wear gloves so that oils from the hands is not left behind. You r hurting me here. Great story. I’ll say what someone said to me once. Know that ppl have differing libidos before judge. I’ve done so.
At that age libidos are pretty equal. It's the conviction to abstain that is difficult.
Washed hands are better than gloves since gloves can snag and tear the paper.
@@TheFrigidsnow exactly, this is the practice now
@@arr255 i can't wait until all the cotton gloves are burned.
Depends on the item. Some places prefer no gloves as people tend to take more care turning pages without gloves.
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Can't believe that woman applied the word "illegitimate " to a human being. Is that word still used? There's no such thing as an illegitimate person! Everyone is legitimate 😄She meant born outside of marriage.
….. which means illegitimate 🤷🏼♀️
What’s with the weird bubble pockets on the side of the genealogist skirt? She’s too young to be dressing like an old woman & needs a makeover fitting for her age
I rather like her vintage look, it's quite evocative of her profession!