0:28 "If they made it today, they would probably have Tony visiting a therapist, Meadow would date a Black guy, and they'd probably make one of the mobsters revealed to be gay!" 🤣
Yeah but the problem today would be Tony and the rest of the cast would talk about how great all those things are and it would be acceptable. Unlike how it was treated in the show more realistically Tony hiding the fact he has a therapist, Tony being racist and homophobic(didn’t want to Kim him cause he made the most money but Tony was definitely disgusted by it) have those things in a show doesn’t make it work it’s when it becomes preachy and the show creators Pat themselves on the back for it.
@@Rinksideripseverything that was mentioned in that actually happened in the show “meadow dating a black guy and a mobster revealing he was gay”. However even if he was making fun of that crowd, he’s still right.
@@Rinksiderips Seems people don't understand that even in this day and age, shows have killing, gore, grape, drugs, alcohol, infidelity, etc. People just need to stop watching ragebait youtube videos and watch the shows.
@@dotFAFOyep. I hear similar bullshit about Blazing Saddles CONSTANTLY. "ThEy CoUlD NeVeR mAkE tHiS tOdAy, tHe WoKe LeFt WoUlD cAnCeL iT" No, actually, movies with overt racism as a central theme and subject are made all the time, to this day. What matters is the context of something like a character saying the N word. Where's this "woke left" boogeyman when Tarantino makes yet another movie littered with white people saying the word in a derogatory way? Why didn't they throw a fit and cancel a movie like Sorry To Bother You for its "Ni**er shit rap" scene? Maybe it really is simply a fact that context matters, that there's layers of meaning to art beyond its face value, and just because a character in a movie says something racist, it doesn't make the director or that actor racist? Being able to decipher these "layers of meaning" from art is what we call "media literacy," and unfortunately it seems to be in short supply these days. The supposed "woke left mob" that Fox News constantly claims is coming to "cancel" all the slightly controversial media people love doesn't actually exist, and words like "woke" have been taken wildly out of the context of their origin, twisted into new meaning, and co-opted to push more divisive "us vs them" narratives on scared, ignorant people who want their biases confirmed by their media. Blazing Saddles and the subject of racism is only one example of this concept. The N word is used constantly by what the movie very explicitly states are morons (Gene Wilder's character himself calls them that) as a way to humorously criticize the simple-minded bigotry that was accepted by society in that time, to point out and make fun of an ugly part of the old west many Hollywood westerns used to pretend wasn't a thing in the pursuit of depicting the west as a fairytale era where everything really was better. In fact, Blazing Saddles probably had a much harder time being made BACK THEN, when it actually got made, than it would've today, BECAUSE it criticized Hollywood norms of the time and pointed out the absurdity of racism that was, even then in the 70s, still more widely-accepted than it is today. The fools who blather non-statements like this about media are usually boomers who are stuck in a false mindset of everything from their time being better. I've found on more than one occasion that the idiots who say "Blazing Saddles would never be made today, it would get canceled because the woke left is too sensitive" actually read the film's humor from a completely different angle than Mel Brooks intended: they just think racism itself is funny at face value. You know, the "we're all a little racist" people who would say that as a "joke," constantly use casual racism and cop out by always claiming to be "just joking" and call anyone who is put off by it "too sensitive" and say they have "no sense of humor," then get horrifically offended as if you accused them of murder when you bluntly call them out on being an actual racist. These are the people who laugh when the old lady in the film says to the sheriff "up yours, Ni**er!", not because of the actual intention of the joke (a seemingly sweet old lady being capable of such a disgustingly dismissive and vicious, racist remark in response to being asked if they're having a good day, all because the man who asked it was black). No, they laugh because they just think a black man being called the n word is funny, full stop. Another recent example of this lack of media literacy leading to people enjoying media that criticizes their flawed values for all the wrong reasons: when Green Day had a concert recently where they performed American Idiot while a Trump mask was tossed around by the crowd, Billie Joe Armstrong changed the lyrics from "redneck agenda" to "MAGA agenda," and mockingly held up the Trump mask in a show of defiance. Facebook was flooded with boomers and chuds galore, crying that Green Day was "better when they weren't political," acting like criticism of people like Trump wasn't ALWAYS a part of their message. Or how about people who enjoyed Rage Against The Machine getting upset when they realized Killing In The Name is not just a "badass song about not giving a fuck and sticking it to the man" (the man, in their view, being things like democrats and "the globalists," which is just code for "rich Jewish people"), but rather a direct criticism of American police, stating that many cops are also KKK members, or at least might as well be KKK members. It's a tale as old as time. Even Shakespeare wrote his plays to contain subtext that criticized and poked fun at the same authority figures and aristocrats who filled the seats of his theaters and claimed to be fans of his work, while also completely missing the point of it and the fact that it was criticizing them. It's nothing new, but it's definitely more common in the information overload age.
Since James Gandolfini died of a heart attack after living a quite gluttonous lifestyle, and there are certain kinds of heart attacks that are quite sudden, this is certainly possible.
Fits in perfectly with my theory that the entire last season(s) are showing all the ways Tony's life could play out through himself and people around him.
I was wondering just this morning how many onion rings Edie Falco had to eat at Husten's before David Chase got the take he wanted. If Stanley Kubrick had directed it, prolly a thousand.
Tony was shot and went into a coma only 7 - 8 months before the series finale. An injury like that can have a lot of long term effects. And with Tony not bothering at all to take care of himself, his health is definitely really bad.
I attended hundreds of people who have had a heart attack. There are many presentations. Some people have chest pains for days even weeks some its sudden and some drop out of nowhere and are dead before they hit the floor there is no typical way so this theory is totally feasible.
I'm inclined to agree with you. I think this is exactly how he went out and it perfectly suites the anticlimactic nature of the shows other storylines that go the same way.
We all know it was the guy in the members only jacket who shot him from 3 o'clock. Chase has spoken about casting an italian looking guy for that reason .
I wondered if Tony Died of a heart attack in bed at the end of The Blue Comet. The episode Made in America is Tony's last dream as he dies from the heart attack.
In my opinion adding to this, Tony would be the third person IIRC who was destined to be whacked but died from other means. Richie Aprile and Big Carmine being the other two. “These things come in threes.”
I think they left it open ended for the audience. You could imagine him being whacked, or having a heart attack, or just continuing on with his family. Ahh, who am I kidding. He was whacked.
I think reality was he definitely got whacked, however Chase predicted that people would refuse to accept it, they'd refuse because they came to cheer for or want Tony to win or survive, so the song Don't Stop Believing was put there to literally represent how people till this day desperately want to believe life just went on for Tony & family.
@ When the finale first aired, the vast majority of people were just confused…and a little angry that there wasn’t some kind of definitive conclusion. This was way before the series and ending were dissected and analyzed on UA-cam.
Chase called it the death scene. Imo the guy in the members only club shoots him straight out the bathroom. Then he was a member like the rest of his dead friends in his coma obviously n.y okay phils death then butchie took over leaving paulie and the rest to work with.
to be honest Sopranos is lowkey woke, from the heavy criticism of catholics and a lot of the main characters being traditionalists but completely hypocritical, analyzing racism, meadow and AJ being super liberal as a result of their parents being very conservative and so many other things, but nobody can attack the show for that because its so well written
Mad Men showrunner Matthew Weiner was a producer on the sopranos. Mad Men, for all its good parts, is definitely a woke show, so his influence combined with David Chase outlook on Italian American culture is probably why Sopranos has some woke moments.
Chase just wanted to make a realistic world which included these issues, it's not Woke. The Anti-Woke crowd are every bit the simpletons that the original Woke crowd were. Mindless parrots that go off without reason.
What qualifies as woke today would have been far left nonsense to the average democrat when the show aired. The most liberal people in the show, Meadow and Janice are presented as extremely hypocritical. The show never made a point to rebuke racism. It was critical of all the races or persuasion it came into to contact with to more or less the same degree, it just happened to predominantly feature Italians. Being liberal as a teenager is extremely common, regardless of their parents affiliation and you were already seeing their transformation by the end of the show. AJ was really more of a Jr neocon than anything. It really feels like you're trying to do the whole square peg, round hole thing by even asserting the Sopranos as political, let alone super partisan. Politics exist to the extent that they are inescapable in everyday life, but that's really it. They didn't even touch the major issues of the day, besides in passing.
@@PenskePC17 I agree with everything except on the fact that The Sopranos isn't political, sure it's not post-2016 weird smooth-brain version of political writing, but it sure was political on it own way. It was a show about the downfall of the Mafia, but of america as well, they addressed 9/11, the war on terror, environmentalism, Healthcare, race relations, union rights, religion, homosexuality, generational conflicts, mental health (obviously) but it was so subtle, and so well ingrained into the story that we don't pay much mind to these things. If the show were written today, 75 per cent of the show would the therapy sessions and Melfi would wind up being the boss for some contrived reason.
There’s 2 kinds of heart attacks. One of them - cardiac arrest - could still make your theory work. It’s when the heart suddenly completely stops, as opposed to when the blood-flow is slowly blocked.
James Gandolfini was so committed to his craft and the role of Tony Soprano that he made himself die of a heart attack. Give this man a posthumous Emmy, Golden Globe, Oscar and a Tony award (why not? he says!)
Great job - you aren’t far off with this. Tony does die of a heart attack, but it happens while he is asleep in the safehouse. Made in America is a dream he has at that point. Symptoms such as chills, incontinence and a burning smell are alluded to throughout. I explain all of this in the Second Edition of my book. The finale has to be watched as if it is a film by the types of filmmakers that Chase is influenced by, such as Bunuel, Lynch and Kubrick.
Maybe Chase told Gandolfini that his character died of a heart attack when they finished filming. Then James died that way, it is known that insinuating events can cause them to happen.
That’s really interesting, man. I like it. Y’know, the way storylines seem to fall flat, as you said, and end with a whisper instead of a bang kind of supports the whole “banality of evil” thing Hannah Arendt wrote about Eichmann after WW2
I think this is the best theory on what happened. There is something off about the guy with the jacket or the black guys whacking him. I don’t know why but the heart-attack ending seems to be the right ending in my mind. Maybe that the ending then isn’t epic like whacking but rather anti-climatic and something about The Sopranos makes it suiting.
I like it! Didn't want to think they all died at the end was depressing as hell...but what I thought happened...this is a good theory and considering what happened with James a few years later it clicks! But we shall never truly know...why we are still taking about 20 years later! That's the real genius of the ending right there!
Interesting theory, but I think is not likely because the screen turns instantly black mid song. That implies a sudden death and a bullet is more likely.
If David Chase writes or co-writes a novel about what happens to the The Sopranos after the final season, that book will be an instant bestseller. Michael Mann did it with “Heat 2.”
Everyone who has ever eaten there always orders them and swear that Holsten’s onion rings are “to die for.” So, it’s plausible I guess. I still like to think that Eugene reached out from beyond the grave and had Tony tapped twice in the back of the head by that guy in the Members Only jacket.
Well… I think that’s possible but I don’t think that happened because we had Tony’s point of view multiple times before the cut to black scene and his view didn’t seem affected by a heart attack.
You're not even close dude Ricky from the trailer Park boys is the greatest television character in history, followed closely by Jerry Mathers from leave it to Beaver
The last song should be "what is love? Baby don't hurt me" Tony uncle cineranter uploads with 3 hands over here. Ceerious and borko at war, likes up for grabs. We go back cineranter 20 years not a strike.
The evidence is all to overwhelming for it not to be that dude. Members only the episode has Tony get shot by Junior. Dies to Members only guy. Meadow not being in the seat to block the shot = Meadow Gold the horse just falling short (Meadow is his guardian angel, saves him S1 from the rat, moves the lamp, wakes him from a coma), MOG would have shot him from 3 o'clock. The painting on the wall is similar to the manor from Tony's coma dream (I.E passing into death). Eats an orange in the beginning of the episode, Oranges = death in Godfather + Tony nearly got Whacked getting orange juice in S1, the bathroom godfather scene which is Tony's fav, being a whack in a restaurant, guy going to bathroom like MoG. Tony's dream about Tony B, in a restaurant he goes "something bad is gonna happen" while sitting with family. There must be even more but it's 100% the way.
It'd be an interesting moment after he's gone if it was a cardiac arrest. Meadow may know CPR from her nearly doing med school, and you'd think someone would know how to do so, so imagine them all trying to do cpr with a screaming howling Carmela around, AJ crying his eyes out.
If this was real i think carmella would have had a line about taking it easy on the onion rings or something as any wife would. There would have been something of a clue there
I don’t think Tony died. I believe the idea behind the cut to black is that the series could easily restart from there in like an endless cycle. But I also believe Tony could’ve been arrested.
Last time I was this early Chris used to wait in the car and as far as I’m concerned HE SHOULD STILL BE THERE
Whatever happened there?
He left him in the car !!! 🤣😂😭😭😭😭
John, he was just-
Fuck he was just! Everybody’s got a gd opinion!
@@Psyfi85 *Uncle Philly turns around*
Christopher's "Heart attack by 50" line always hits hard because James Gandolfini died of a heart attack at 51 :(
I was talking to my brother about that scene. This was my first time finishing the series.
0:28 "If they made it today, they would probably have Tony visiting a therapist, Meadow would date a Black guy, and they'd probably make one of the mobsters revealed to be gay!" 🤣
political correctness gawn mad!!!1
Haha, the Sopranos was so ahead of its time.
The Wokepranos 😂
Hahaha
Yeah but the problem today would be Tony and the rest of the cast would talk about how great all those things are and it would be acceptable. Unlike how it was treated in the show more realistically Tony hiding the fact he has a therapist, Tony being racist and homophobic(didn’t want to Kim him cause he made the most money but Tony was definitely disgusted by it) have those things in a show doesn’t make it work it’s when it becomes preachy and the show creators Pat themselves on the back for it.
He died on the vine.
It peted out...
“I shouldn’t have to come here; onion ring in my hand…”
He died on the vine
Did he move or something?
Oh no one knows what I'm talking about!
The onion ring was a made guy, Tony wasn’t, there was nothing he could do.
“The onion was deep fried it was real greaseball shit.”
AHAHAHAHA!!! Fucking awesome bro! 😂 Legendary comment man!
Both of you 😆
@@shaneludwick2139 thanks Merry Christmas.
@@masterzombie161 Merry Christmas braa ✌️
The way you effortlessly throw quotes into your videos while explaining scenarios is absolutely top tier 😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉
South Beach strumpet series subspecies
It was the gababgul
Don't you blame the gabagool
Full of fat and nitrates 😂
This made me howl lol
That sarcasm at he beginning making fun of the "They'd never make this today" crowd. Love it! LMAO
What?
@@Rinksideripseverything that was mentioned in that actually happened in the show “meadow dating a black guy and a mobster revealing he was gay”.
However even if he was making fun of that crowd, he’s still right.
@@ElliotNess-jg8gt Why wouldn't they make that these days? I'm confused... I hear people say that they "wouldn't make a show THIS GOOD these days".
@@Rinksiderips Seems people don't understand that even in this day and age, shows have killing, gore, grape, drugs, alcohol, infidelity, etc. People just need to stop watching ragebait youtube videos and watch the shows.
@@dotFAFOyep. I hear similar bullshit about Blazing Saddles CONSTANTLY.
"ThEy CoUlD NeVeR mAkE tHiS tOdAy, tHe WoKe LeFt WoUlD cAnCeL iT"
No, actually, movies with overt racism as a central theme and subject are made all the time, to this day. What matters is the context of something like a character saying the N word. Where's this "woke left" boogeyman when Tarantino makes yet another movie littered with white people saying the word in a derogatory way? Why didn't they throw a fit and cancel a movie like Sorry To Bother You for its "Ni**er shit rap" scene?
Maybe it really is simply a fact that context matters, that there's layers of meaning to art beyond its face value, and just because a character in a movie says something racist, it doesn't make the director or that actor racist? Being able to decipher these "layers of meaning" from art is what we call "media literacy," and unfortunately it seems to be in short supply these days.
The supposed "woke left mob" that Fox News constantly claims is coming to "cancel" all the slightly controversial media people love doesn't actually exist, and words like "woke" have been taken wildly out of the context of their origin, twisted into new meaning, and co-opted to push more divisive "us vs them" narratives on scared, ignorant people who want their biases confirmed by their media.
Blazing Saddles and the subject of racism is only one example of this concept.
The N word is used constantly by what the movie very explicitly states are morons (Gene Wilder's character himself calls them that) as a way to humorously criticize the simple-minded bigotry that was accepted by society in that time, to point out and make fun of an ugly part of the old west many Hollywood westerns used to pretend wasn't a thing in the pursuit of depicting the west as a fairytale era where everything really was better.
In fact, Blazing Saddles probably had a much harder time being made BACK THEN, when it actually got made, than it would've today, BECAUSE it criticized Hollywood norms of the time and pointed out the absurdity of racism that was, even then in the 70s, still more widely-accepted than it is today.
The fools who blather non-statements like this about media are usually boomers who are stuck in a false mindset of everything from their time being better. I've found on more than one occasion that the idiots who say "Blazing Saddles would never be made today, it would get canceled because the woke left is too sensitive" actually read the film's humor from a completely different angle than Mel Brooks intended:
they just think racism itself is funny at face value. You know, the "we're all a little racist" people who would say that as a "joke," constantly use casual racism and cop out by always claiming to be "just joking" and call anyone who is put off by it "too sensitive" and say they have "no sense of humor," then get horrifically offended as if you accused them of murder when you bluntly call them out on being an actual racist.
These are the people who laugh when the old lady in the film says to the sheriff "up yours, Ni**er!", not because of the actual intention of the joke (a seemingly sweet old lady being capable of such a disgustingly dismissive and vicious, racist remark in response to being asked if they're having a good day, all because the man who asked it was black).
No, they laugh because they just think a black man being called the n word is funny, full stop.
Another recent example of this lack of media literacy leading to people enjoying media that criticizes their flawed values for all the wrong reasons: when Green Day had a concert recently where they performed American Idiot while a Trump mask was tossed around by the crowd, Billie Joe Armstrong changed the lyrics from "redneck agenda" to "MAGA agenda," and mockingly held up the Trump mask in a show of defiance. Facebook was flooded with boomers and chuds galore, crying that Green Day was "better when they weren't political," acting like criticism of people like Trump wasn't ALWAYS a part of their message.
Or how about people who enjoyed Rage Against The Machine getting upset when they realized Killing In The Name is not just a "badass song about not giving a fuck and sticking it to the man" (the man, in their view, being things like democrats and "the globalists," which is just code for "rich Jewish people"), but rather a direct criticism of American police, stating that many cops are also KKK members, or at least might as well be KKK members.
It's a tale as old as time. Even Shakespeare wrote his plays to contain subtext that criticized and poked fun at the same authority figures and aristocrats who filled the seats of his theaters and claimed to be fans of his work, while also completely missing the point of it and the fact that it was criticizing them.
It's nothing new, but it's definitely more common in the information overload age.
His blood type was Ragu.
20 fucking years
I compromised I ate onion rings off the radiator
Not a peep
Tony never died. He jumped over the table booth tackling the shooter and finally proving that indeed he had da makings of a varsity athlete
He never had the makings of a varsity athlete. Small hands.
It was revenge for Pie oh my , and a lot of other things.
Pie-Oh-My was a horse and Tony wasn’t. It was among the horses. Real glue ball sh$t.
Tony having a heartattck sounds like the best ending!
That's how it ended for the actor.
@tytheyoutubeguy8415 True!
his heart, it had a panic attack
@derekschmitt9994 His heart was going through a difficult situation! 😆
Never even had the makings of a varsity heart.
merry Christmas eve CineRanter thx for the video.
Sad when they go young like that
When they go?!
@@lewcarl958God rest his soul
That profile pic😂
47, he was just a kid
@@eaauto6182that fucking onion ring, i cant even say his name
An onion ring at 47 years old. He was just a kid.
I can't have this conversation again.
The last thing about David Chase deciding it was in bad taste sold me on it.
100% bro same here.
The Interior Decorator killed him...
But his house looked like shit! 😂
Since James Gandolfini died of a heart attack after living a quite gluttonous lifestyle, and there are certain kinds of heart attacks that are quite sudden, this is certainly possible.
He did eat beef and sausage by the car load.
Fits in perfectly with my theory that the entire last season(s) are showing all the ways Tony's life could play out through himself and people around him.
Always with the scenarios
I was wondering just this morning how many onion rings Edie Falco had to eat at Husten's before David Chase got the take he wanted.
If Stanley Kubrick had directed it, prolly a thousand.
Tony was shot and went into a coma only 7 - 8 months before the series finale. An injury like that can have a lot of long term effects. And with Tony not bothering at all to take care of himself, his health is definitely really bad.
I attended hundreds of people who have had a heart attack. There are many presentations. Some people have chest pains for days even weeks some its sudden and some drop out of nowhere and are dead before they hit the floor there is no typical way so this theory is totally feasible.
I'm inclined to agree with you. I think this is exactly how he went out and it perfectly suites the anticlimactic nature of the shows other storylines that go the same way.
New cineranter on Christmas Eve, it’s gon be a good day
Considering what real mobsters look like, Tony S is a skinny twig.
We all know it was the guy in the members only jacket who shot him from 3 o'clock. Chase has spoken about casting an italian looking guy for that reason .
Naw we don't
That's y tha discussion 🤌
Personally, I think he took out AJ as well as Tony.
I wondered if Tony Died of a heart attack in bed at the end of The Blue Comet. The episode Made in America is Tony's last dream as he dies from the heart attack.
Sounds good to me!
With a stroke, it could be very sudden, no warning. I know, I had one.
In my opinion adding to this, Tony would be the third person IIRC who was destined to be whacked but died from other means. Richie Aprile and Big Carmine being the other two. “These things come in threes.”
It's them turkey sangwaches , it's like spacool on my bowls !
Vinny used too many onions.....but Holsteins still made a great sauce
Okay I’ll admit at first I thought this theory sounded stupid
But after watching this whole video, it really is amazing
Good video!
Dude same. I originally brushed it off but the way he tied everything together was so good
Who could deny facts from someone who's name is CLIT_SMASHER.69?
An onion ring can’t inflict a sudden heart attack.
The onion rings were for the communion metaphor, nothing more I think
The onion rings were my favorite characters on the show
Yeah, I wish they did more with the onion rings. That and the fried rice that got spilled all over Richie Aprile.
Babe- some Sopranos lore just dropped!
Onion rings. It was real greaseball shit.
I think they left it open ended for the audience. You could imagine him being whacked, or having a heart attack, or just continuing on with his family. Ahh, who am I kidding. He was whacked.
I think reality was he definitely got whacked, however Chase predicted that people would refuse to accept it, they'd refuse because they came to cheer for or want Tony to win or survive, so the song Don't Stop Believing was put there to literally represent how people till this day desperately want to believe life just went on for Tony & family.
I don't know how anyone who actually watched the show could think he survived but of course they did
@ When the finale first aired, the vast majority of people were just confused…and a little angry that there wasn’t some kind of definitive conclusion. This was way before the series and ending were dissected and analyzed on UA-cam.
Yeah-his heart was attacked by a bullet!
Wow thats an amazing theory. The way you extrapolated it was great. I really like how you did it.
Another great video 💯
Remember what Bobby said I bet you don't even hear it.
Chase called it the death scene. Imo the guy in the members only club shoots him straight out the bathroom. Then he was a member like the rest of his dead friends in his coma obviously n.y okay phils death then butchie took over leaving paulie and the rest to work with.
It was a varsity onion ring
to be honest Sopranos is lowkey woke, from the heavy criticism of catholics and a lot of the main characters being traditionalists but completely hypocritical, analyzing racism, meadow and AJ being super liberal as a result of their parents being very conservative and so many other things, but nobody can attack the show for that because its so well written
That is not what the term woke means 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Mad Men showrunner Matthew Weiner was a producer on the sopranos. Mad Men, for all its good parts, is definitely a woke show, so his influence combined with David Chase outlook on Italian American culture is probably why Sopranos has some woke moments.
Chase just wanted to make a realistic world which included these issues, it's not Woke. The Anti-Woke crowd are every bit the simpletons that the original Woke crowd were. Mindless parrots that go off without reason.
What qualifies as woke today would have been far left nonsense to the average democrat when the show aired. The most liberal people in the show, Meadow and Janice are presented as extremely hypocritical. The show never made a point to rebuke racism. It was critical of all the races or persuasion it came into to contact with to more or less the same degree, it just happened to predominantly feature Italians. Being liberal as a teenager is extremely common, regardless of their parents affiliation and you were already seeing their transformation by the end of the show. AJ was really more of a Jr neocon than anything.
It really feels like you're trying to do the whole square peg, round hole thing by even asserting the Sopranos as political, let alone super partisan. Politics exist to the extent that they are inescapable in everyday life, but that's really it. They didn't even touch the major issues of the day, besides in passing.
@@PenskePC17 I agree with everything except on the fact that The Sopranos isn't political, sure it's not post-2016 weird smooth-brain version of political writing, but it sure was political on it own way. It was a show about the downfall of the Mafia, but of america as well, they addressed 9/11, the war on terror, environmentalism, Healthcare, race relations, union rights, religion, homosexuality, generational conflicts, mental health (obviously) but it was so subtle, and so well ingrained into the story that we don't pay much mind to these things.
If the show were written today, 75 per cent of the show would the therapy sessions and Melfi would wind up being the boss for some contrived reason.
There’s 2 kinds of heart attacks. One of them - cardiac arrest - could still make your theory work. It’s when the heart suddenly completely stops, as opposed to when the blood-flow is slowly blocked.
Doesn't make sense. Nobody dies that quickly by a heart attack.
James Gandolfini was so committed to his craft and the role of Tony Soprano that he made himself die of a heart attack. Give this man a posthumous Emmy, Golden Globe, Oscar and a Tony award (why not? he says!)
I think Tony was shot when it cut to black.
There was nothing he could do. The onion ring was a made guy...
Great job - you aren’t far off with this. Tony does die of a heart attack, but it happens while he is asleep in the safehouse. Made in America is a dream he has at that point. Symptoms such as chills, incontinence and a burning smell are alluded to throughout. I explain all of this in the Second Edition of my book. The finale has to be watched as if it is a film by the types of filmmakers that Chase is influenced by, such as Bunuel, Lynch and Kubrick.
the last episode was what happend before the first episode , the whole thing is Tony trying to understand why he collapsed and blacked out
Maybe Chase told Gandolfini that his character died of a heart attack when they finished filming. Then James died that way, it is known that insinuating events can cause them to happen.
As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be an Onion Ring.
Boss says you're Santa
You're Santa.
Merry Christmas
Interesting, but there’s way more indicating that Tony, and even Carmela and AJ, got shot.
If this is the case, it ended with a ring-a-ding.
Gabagool got him ultimately. Cool theory.
0:24 Yeah, if all that happened it could have ruined the show.
That’s really interesting, man. I like it. Y’know, the way storylines seem to fall flat, as you said, and end with a whisper instead of a bang kind of supports the whole “banality of evil” thing Hannah Arendt wrote about Eichmann after WW2
I think this is the best theory on what happened. There is something off about the guy with the jacket or the black guys whacking him. I don’t know why but the heart-attack ending seems to be the right ending in my mind.
Maybe that the ending then isn’t epic like whacking but rather anti-climatic and something about The Sopranos makes it suiting.
Crane pulled a Stephen King ! He wrote an exceptionally great series without a definitive end to the story !
The Sopranos was TRULY ahead of its time…It aged pretty well too…
Happy Christmas Cineranter!
Robert Patrick was one of the guys who came in the diner and sat in a booth.
I like it! Didn't want to think they all died at the end was depressing as hell...but what I thought happened...this is a good theory and considering what happened with James a few years later it clicks! But we shall never truly know...why we are still taking about 20 years later! That's the real genius of the ending right there!
It was the Russians.💀
He ordered the onion rings for the table - that’s the thing with wise guys - the hustle is always on.
He might have just thought it was another panic attack and ignored the signs...when it was actually a heart attack
Interesting theory, but I think is not likely because the screen turns instantly black mid song. That implies a sudden death and a bullet is more likely.
Do a video about the 7 souls song and intro. Makes me feel a lot of things and my head spins every single time I see it. I love it
It was the guy in the members only jacket who grabbed a hidden gun from the bathroom, godfather style.
If David Chase writes or co-writes a novel about what happens to the The Sopranos after the final season, that book will be an instant bestseller. Michael Mann did it with “Heat 2.”
Everyone who has ever eaten there always orders them and swear that Holsten’s onion rings are “to die for.” So, it’s plausible I guess. I still like to think that Eugene reached out from beyond the grave and had Tony tapped twice in the back of the head by that guy in the Members Only jacket.
I love this theory, this is my official head canon now.
Well… I think that’s possible but I don’t think that happened because we had Tony’s point of view multiple times before the cut to black scene and his view didn’t seem affected by a heart attack.
Crazy that James Gandolfini died of a heart attack, aged only 51. 🙏🙏🙏
When he died did he rag doll like a Bethesda NPC?
You're not even close dude Ricky from the trailer Park boys is the greatest television character in history, followed closely by Jerry Mathers from leave it to Beaver
I still say that if someone ordered the hit, it was Coco for getting his teeth kicked out
The last song should be "what is love? Baby don't hurt me"
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Ironic, Tony Ate Beef and Sausage by the carload but was taken out by an onion ring. If only he were a vegetarian
Members only jacket guy wacked him.... he was looking around too much not to be up to nothing
The evidence is all to overwhelming for it not to be that dude. Members only the episode has Tony get shot by Junior. Dies to Members only guy. Meadow not being in the seat to block the shot = Meadow Gold the horse just falling short (Meadow is his guardian angel, saves him S1 from the rat, moves the lamp, wakes him from a coma), MOG would have shot him from 3 o'clock. The painting on the wall is similar to the manor from Tony's coma dream (I.E passing into death). Eats an orange in the beginning of the episode, Oranges = death in Godfather + Tony nearly got Whacked getting orange juice in S1, the bathroom godfather scene which is Tony's fav, being a whack in a restaurant, guy going to bathroom like MoG. Tony's dream about Tony B, in a restaurant he goes "something bad is gonna happen" while sitting with family. There must be even more but it's 100% the way.
I think that solution is plausible, especially with the added tragedy of the manner of Gandolfini’s passing…
Tony didn't die...he just stopped believing.
Some people are out there stuffing themselves with the onion rings...
Tony never died. He was the boss of all bosses
It'd be an interesting moment after he's gone if it was a cardiac arrest. Meadow may know CPR from her nearly doing med school, and you'd think someone would know how to do so, so imagine them all trying to do cpr with a screaming howling Carmela around, AJ crying his eyes out.
It was a panic attack he still alive and well today 😂
I like this theory the most so far
When tony got up to the gates and he met jesus you know what he leaned in and said.....
FORGETABOUT IT GET A FKN SHINE BOX 😂
Onion Ring Theory? I told you. It's a glorified hypothesis.
This is now canon.
I never thought of that, but it's a great theory.
If this was real i think carmella would have had a line about taking it easy on the onion rings or something as any wife would. There would have been something of a clue there
I don’t think Tony died.
I believe the idea behind the cut to black is that the series could easily restart from there in like an endless cycle.
But I also believe Tony could’ve been arrested.
Feel like this only gets brought up because of how Gandolfini died.