Many gamers lately seem to have forgotten that we aren't just fans, we are customers. Feedback and criticism is imperative for the consumer's ability to receive a worthwhile product.
Imagine making a shit piece of tech product and your customers then try to defend you. Oh wait, they'll complain cause it's a shit product that hurt their business. Creatives in video game development got it too fucking good.
From my experience. I think the problem is that a lot of criticism and feedback just gets considered as complaining and gets thrown on the side. Which is strange to me why complaining somehow has a more negative context than criticism and feedback. Criticism is just someone complaining about specific aspects of a product so you can take that as data for future improvements of that same product. As long as it's constructive, complain all you want. It's helpful.
I agree, most gaming companies only read numbers and never even think about the customer, instead of hotfixes and important add ons, hey look a sequel nobody asked for.
I agree. It's an unwritten rule in the gaming industry, in opinion: the higher the price tag for game that has yet to prove it worth, the harsher the criticism when it fails to meet the mark. The game "Brink" is a prime example of this rule.
Also, Xbox is just gonna become a PC company. No reason not to especially if they can make enough games to make enough money that they make more than if they made a new console.
Nah, he was selling hopes and dreams for 8 years, 2 generations of bricks with promises of games that he never delivered but somehow everytime "next year" was going to be the one for xbox. And again he took accountability for nothing, just sleazily passed on the blame on Arkane for not being "connected" with Xbox studios and giving them "creative freedom". How did Halo Infinite work out, that was suppose to be an Xbox studios project. Its always "hands off" and "creative freedom" to blame when it doesnt work out, but its all leadership when it does. They took credit for Hi Fi Rush, but Redfalls failure is all on the developers?
Right, but as charlie said I dont exactly believe if they had good exclusives people wouldn't switch over, I remember how excited for example for Scalebound the Platnuim games title that was supposed to be a Xbox One exclusive. If they would have just doubled down and got out a few banger titles and stuck with the ones they ended up canceling they probably would have been fine.
I'm a little surprised people aren't mentioning the Activision takeover. The idea is that he is trying to downplay Xbox to make the deal more likely to go through.
Imagine a world where companies like Disney and Activision were this honest and admitted when they fucked things up. Right now, they NEVER see themselves as anything short of perfect.
The irony is that the people who freak out when something they like receives less than positive attention are the same people who send death threats to celebs they don’t like on twitter.
Idk man I’ve heard “if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything at all” for my entire 30 year life and that’s basically the exact same sentiment.
@@davidpilger4136 no it isn’t the same sentiment. If you’re paying for a product, you expect the product to be of a certain standard. If it isn’t, you have the right to bitch about it. Especially since retail price of this game is higher than what normal new releases are. If people aren’t allowed to make constructive criticisms about products they buy, how do companies know that they need to improve? And what stops them from pumping out absolute dog shit one after the other because people still buy their crap knowing it’s bad because they’re too afraid of the cancel police to say that the product they paid for could be better? “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all” applies to things like bullying and harassment, not to shitty products that you paid a lot of money for.
@@davidpilger4136 Yes, and it has always been dumb af. The message it tries to give is "Just dont be mean for no reason". But in reality this sentiment has only been used to silence critism and make people think less critical.
Internet: “Your job is to rate video games on a scale from ‘Good’ to ‘Excellent’!” Charlie: “What if I don’t like them?” Internet: “That’s what ‘Good’ is for.”
Typing saying that About Steam he's got overwhelmingly positive very positive mostly positive. And mixed is about the worst rating there is. Overwhelmingly positive and very positive the only games I was Buy
And when you call it bad without buying it :" how can you tell its bad , you clearly havent played it 😡😡😡" . MAYBE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE ABSOLUTE SHIT AND EVERYONE WITH JUST A BIT OF TASTE ALSO THINKS THAT ?!
Because companies would often hold up review copies until after launch, especially when they know the game is bad like in this case, the review embargo was set hours after launch, the only early reviews are from the known shills that trade access for integrity that were flown to Microsoft all expenses paid and given a vertical slice of the game and will praise the game even if they know its crap just so they dont lose their access, kinda like Yong Yea and Skill Up with Cyberpunk. So how would people know if the game is good without buying it if the reviews come out days after release?
Well people have to make a mistake and learn not to buy instantly after release with no real knowledge on how the game performs, otherwise fall into the trap of insanity making the same choice expecting a different result. Only truly researching will you know what you're buying and if it's already vague it's best to wait. 2 examples I can think of are anthem and cyberpunk I didn't buy cyberpunk but I got anthem and they burned me to the point I trust basically no devs or studios anymore, could of been a good game if they didn't immediately give up and just move on throwing away their roadmap. Save 1 Fromsoftware and that's because they literally give us all the info we need on what they're giving us and even go beyond normal developers and give us network tests or early access which shows it's basic functions and then take what we say into consideration in certain situations.
Even a free indie game deserves to have it's flaws recognized Without criticism, they'll never improve If you were always told that you're the best at something, you're not gonna feel any need to practice or improve
I used to manage two teams for a game company years ago, their jobs being to write up qualitative reports about the content being made. They would cover the good and the bad of what was being made. Some of the developers loved us, it gave them a chance to fix what they could before it would go live. However, most of them hated my us. They'd complain to the team leads, directors, the ceo, and my boss about how we were too harsh and focused too much on the bad. I was "asked" to sugar coat the reports after that and to be nicer. Love my teams and the work we did. But man some developers just can't handle having their stuff critiqued.
20 years ago if you suck you just get fired, or nobody buys your game. You are forced to take criticismto improve. Now you just need to pump out a game and who cares about those toxic gamers?
It's like having an artist work on a painting for months, and everyone waits on the finished product just to find out the painting isn't as good as you expected it to be but you have to say you like it to the artist to try protect their feelings. Instead, you should tell the artist what's done wrong so they can make the changes for better.
Yeah except now imagine that the artist spent months telling everyone how amazing and groundbreaking their painting is going to be, sets a price for the painting before it’s finished, and even takes money from people who want to preorder the painting. Then the artist unveils a canvas smeared with poop.
People do that to artists too, it's frustrating af Dear "nice" people: If someone asks for your opinion in their art, they want your opinion on their art. Honest opinion. I hate when I can tell something us wrong but can't find anyone honest enough to tell me. (Thankfully artist communities have changed that for me, but I'd be much further along if people gave constructive criticism.) Also those who don't want to hear negativity need to be taught not to invite it by asking.
Phil never pushes blame on the teams under him, even when he really should. The interview he did for this on the Xbox podcast youtube he seemed like it was really getting to him having to take blame for other people's fuck ups all the time for so consistently long.
In that case maybe he needs to adopt the military officers policy of "shit rolls downhill" lmao Like not to sound institutionalized, but where's the accountability here? I appreciate him not just publicly shoving the blame on them cause that's a bad look, but privately he needs to be IN THEIR ASS figuring out what's causing them to crank out trash like this. We've seen arcane do amazing so it's not like they can't pull it off. Something is fucking with their process and he needs to dig up a root cause. Taking all the blame isn't going to help either you know?
@@Batchall_Accepted that's exactly what I'm thinking and he even mentions it in the actual podcast vid that there might be some internal issues going on if the internal test scores were so high and it released to honest trash. That and as you said, these devs have a good track record. What really is going on at xbox? We know damn well they don't rush games so it has to be something else.
Starfield is going to be the biggest make or break for any developer in my lifetime. They are either going to be the biggest comeback of all time or relegated to "the elder scrolls developer."
I play a fuck ton of games and have my entire life and I have 2 questions. What is Starfield and is me asking that question an indication that it's already failing?
@@MagickP00dle : If the first question was sincere, then the answer would be, “yes,” to the second. The answer to the first? It’s the last, best hope for Microsoft’s XBox publishers and players. What do you play on? If you’re so hardcore, I’m guessing you play on PC?
They’re also a consumable product. If it’s ok to critique films and tv shows then it’s ok to criticize video games. If you pay for a product and it is unsatisfactory then you should be allowed to be upset.
@@pitbullnamedcupcake8485 The main issue is people thinking a game failed if they don't give it a 7/10-1/10. A 7/10 would make the game great, not just good. A 5/10 game is an okay game, or a fine game, but players will act like its the end of the world because they paid $70 for it. You could read you and your friends a single fast food meal for $70 but a video game being "fine" makes that price unacceptable? The problem here is that people like me spent the last two decades telling people that they needed to stop just buying up every CoD and shit like it because it gave the industry the wrong idea and finally people want to fight back but they're doing it to shit that was never going to be good in the first place. Dishonored was bad on so many levels but most of you played it when you were children so you think it was a masterpiece or something. Dishonored was a 5/10, maybe a 6/10 tops, and Redfall sits right around there as well. Prey was also dog shit but people like walking simulators with combat once every ten minutes so there's no convincing you all that that's the case. In no universe was Redfall going to be a game that revolutionizes the industry and blows our collective minds, all of you pretending it was isn't helping the industry at all it's just making you look entitled. Hold onto this anger and disappointment and put it on the next CoD, Overwatch, or whatever other billion dollar franchises get shit out these next few years. No one is listening to you when you're bitching about a game everyone with half a brain knew was going to be mediocre.
I think where the distinction is made is when people purposely ruin a company's reputation because of allegations or having a single bad game. If the company goes under, so will the employees. For most of these people, it's their job, and they take pride in it. My brother is a game designer and has gotten death threats for a game he didn't even work on.
Sure, but it doesn't sound like Phil actually intends to improve anything. Like at all. His company lost last Gen after dominating with the 360, so instead he's resigned to tell Sony and Nintendo "ggs"? If I was a Microsoft shareholder reading this I'd be calling for his head.
tbh I think it's a strategic comment of Phil Spencer to ensure that the Activision Deal gets through. No CEO would actually say that you're the worst on the market unless there is a bigger picture behind it.
Brings back vibes from the Fanchen rush E drama. "This is mediocre, no offense" -> labelled as villain by the entire Internet when all he did was give his honest opinion, and offered constructive criticism afterwards. This is the state of the Internet right now, you can't say anything if it's not sugar-coated in forced wholesomeness. I hope Charlie addresses this some day, and acknowledges how poorly he treated content as in his "when the bad guy wins" video.
I was talking about something similar to this with my friends the other day. I was saying how the best thing this $10 price hike on AAA games did was get people to think before they buy the latest full-priced update to CoD, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed, or whatever else. They really should've just continued to fly under the radar instead of trying to get more out of people. Everyone really seemed to be asleep at the wheel, paying 60 dollars for an extra map or two but then they all got startled awake when that 10 extra dollars came flying into their faces.
True, but I still feel like the majority just chucks $70 to preordering without second thoughts. I hope that changes with all these lackluster AAA titles we've had release in this first half of the year.
It also is somewhat shocking that games were $60 for so long. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to spend $100 let alone $70 on broken AAA titles, but game development costs didn’t pass down to retail price like you’d expect.
@@Spartan-301st no. Games of last generation and this generation are just the same. No reason for 10 dollar price hike. What next 80 dollars for game like redfall?
it's almost like there was some major public figure like 7 years ago who was trying to warn everyone about postmodernists and marxism infecting education at all levels and then yall starting hating on Mr Jordan Peterson for just spittin' truths.
Fr, I used to be so excited to come home everyday and play assassins creed 3, oblivion, new vegas, and so many of the games with gold free games were so good, got dark souls 2 for free, toy soldiers Cold War was free, I could go on so much. A lot of these are on ps3 too but getting stuff for free with the game pass and getting good games at that, it was so much fun
Yeah honestly it was way more stacked than the PS3 catalogue. It's insane how hard they dropped the ball. Like GoW and Halo are both dead, how did they let that happen.
How is GoW dead? Are you high? The last 2 banged. Also those games were also on ps3 besides halo. This "catalogue" of Xboxs is smaller than PS by a large margin. Even their subscription has a larger amount of free games. Gamepass having new ones isnt always a plus, look at redfall. Sony has more on the platform overall. I used to be a diehard fan, I have my original Xbox still love every halo up to reach. 360 era was amazing tbh, i hated how ps3 didn't have party chat like 360. But after 360 era it went downhill and never climbed back up so I went to ps3 then 4. But I honestly prefer 360 over ps3 for all those halo 3 and reach memories. Just because Phil tries with some damage control and honesty the fans start meat riding. They fucked halo, they fucked redfall, they fucked crackdown, they fucked whatever else exclusive they cobbled together. That's why they're desperately buying studios so everyone else can make games for em. He HAS to do this. Don't be sorry, be better.
I think what Phil meant is that people have already gotten their digital libraries full of games, and switching over would mean you can’t play any of those, and so even if Xbox had fantastic exclusives people still don’t want to give up their games, and not everyone has the money for 2 consoles
i was on the xbox one s last generation and switched to ps5 almost a year ago. left behind my massive library of games, and got playstations equivalent of game pass. i now have exactly 100 games in my library and a lot of them are playstation exclusives. gow, horizon forbidden west, spiderman, demons souls and bloodborne. if there’s games that people want to play on a certain console and see no reason of owning the other one due to lack of games, ya i think people will definitely be influenced by that
Charlie is saying that if Xbox has good exclusives people would consider getting the Xbox for them. Exactly what he said. You don’t have to sell your ps5. And you could play your ps5 games on your ps5. And just have your Xbox for the exclusives. Pretty clear to me. Not having the money is really the only reasonable thing to conclude from that statement
@@mediocreness2833 consoles are expensive, and the PS5 and XSX are *large*. The amount of customers willing to double dip are probably far less than the number of customers you'd have gotten if you "won" the console wars in the first place.
People that complain that others criticize things are people who dont take a moment of their time to understand that just because you like something doesnt mean it cant be talked about negatively
Lol I have a friend that’s exactly like this. we once had a heated discussion about guacamole. I said I didn’t like it and didn’t think it was worth paying extra for on food and he, no joke, debated me for like 5 minutes over it
It's what happens when people become loyal to certain things. It's the same way sports fans are. Very defensive when you criticize "their team". Only this is so much worse because their blind loyalty leads to worse products for everyone else. The console wars have allowed Microsoft to become complacent since there are now a whole bunch of dedicated Xbox fans who will buy anything they release and defend them endlessly. It's exactly why being loyal to a brand or a company is such a bad thing. Because it allows companies to take advantage of their consumers, which they all do because companies are always going to take advantage of consumers for profit.
Mock reviews are done by 3rd party companies, not internally. Almost all studios use them before releasing their games to get a better understanding of what the public reception will be before release, and how to improve it if it is bad
I think it is like rereading what you wrote in a book. But you are blind to most errors, I feel like bringing in outside people to be unfiltered will work best
@@that.one.guy.377 Very often the people doing mock reviews are actually reviewers. Freelance reviewers choose to do these, they get offered them a lot and it's pretty good money. TBH it's a fairly decent way to gauge the quality of a game. It's easy to go blind when you're surrounded by your game all day long.
@@vgaportauthority9932 it makes me wonder if the reviewers are unconsciously trying to be “too nice” or are worried if they’re too harsh they won’t get hired again
People only respect this game because it's bad when you think about it. A mediocre game won't drum up this much sympathy because it won get this much backlash, such a big lash to the back seems harsh to the people who see these companies as some sort of indie project trial and error art career.
1:03 and the wierdest bit is is that if u want to become a game dev you have to embrace user feedback and use it to your advantage. Its an entire step in publishing a game. You sit back, maybe relax a little and wait for user feedback which will help guide gurther development of the game. I dont get constructive crytisism is now seen as 'evil' when devs need it.
@Colin Rini QA and playtesters focus on bugs and playability, not the overall design or direction. Smart dev teams don't alienate their target audience and do everything they can to learn the trends in what they want.
Facts! like for me, a developer's version of a secret ingredient for a successful dish is feedback. And the reason I even call it secret is cause some develepers and game making companies either don't know it or consider it as an insult.😢
My biggest breaking point for this game is the fact that there is no option to limit how many frames it's actually pushing on PC so therefore it's trying to use way more than it should and cause frame stutters
The "mock reviews" were actually probably pretty accurate usually considering 7 is basically the lowest score a mainstream review source will generally give.
People need to start making the distinction between the individual developers and the entire company. Specifically their management. Anyone who has worked under shitty management knows there is only so much a single person can do. If the company fails to allocate resources properly, the result is always failure. By defending the company and purchasing their product, you are supporting that failure and ensuring that it will continue. If you want a better product, vote with your wallet and don't buy trash.
Even if the devs aren't at fault, they already got paid. Buying the game doesn't actually support them, just keeps them stuck in a dysfunctional system.
@@_CetarialThat would be true in the indie scene or even the AA scene. But AAA games are made by hundreds, often well into the thousands of devs. Each often works on super specific tiny details, like an artist paid to paint trees for months on end and nothing else. In cases like that, it's an issue of leadership not being able to properly foster communication between teams and ensure the end product comes together properly.
@@_Cetarialdepends on the situation, mostly it's company's fault due to their mismanagement, but there are some instances where developers mismanaged, mostly AA or indie games.
Preach. I lost all hope for gaming consumers when I saw how many people supported the Microsoft/Activision merger. It's embarrassing seeing so many people lick corporate boots in situations where it's so obviously not beneficial for consumers in any conceivable way. The industry is doomed if that's the attitude of the consumers who are buying these products.
Thank You! This just doesn’t go to games, but with movies too. I’m tired of people making much needed criticism look like a bad thing. If I spend good amount of money on a product and I end up not liking it, I’m not goin to pretend there isn’t anything bad with it.
The problem is not the criticism the problem is that it never stays just words. It always ALWAYS leads to doxxing and threats from the otherside now. If you watch MCU films and enjoy them. You are now woke and a leftwing tranny and will be delt with. If you play Hogwarts legacy you are a nazzi supporter and will be delt with. We are in times where what you watch and what you play. MUST be justified by your politics and you MUST be ready to defend yourself physical and online if you take the chance to play or watch the thing. Because your life will be threatened by many people if it becomes public knowlage.
Everyone making something knows that, but their instincts go into a defensive state because they feel attacked and do not want to realize that what they made is bad, all while they worked pretty hard and long on it.
This is true but I also hate when someone’s criticism isn’t fair or is just plain wrong and then they use this as an excuse. “What? Am I not allowed to criticize it?!” Well no it’s that your criticism is stupid.
If games start to come out like HiFi Rush, then I really hope they can turn it around and I do love how Phil spencer is honest with this interview and I wish more companies did this
People get ego damaged when they pay for trash and feel embarrassed. Also, people tend to see any and all negativity as a negative thing, quite ironic being "negative" about negativity.
That’s what happens when you let your friend circle tank the iconic IP into oblivion and stay silent taking no responsibility. This guy has always screamed fake.
@@garrett3108he didn’t say that….. he said that phill drags on so much, that if he was to say it was over, then it would absolutely be over because phill is all Xbox has, he never said it was a quote that phill said it was over
@@garrett3108 Not literally, but no matter how you spin it this is Phil admiting defeat. He's not even confident in Starfield being good enough to fix their reputation and that is their big game for the year.
20 years ago you barely had 3D games. edit: since there are a lot of cucks being like "tHeY weRe 3d gAmEs iN 2003" Google the word "barely" you imbeciles. 3D was something new and revolutionary in the early 2000s.
@@Defort-jd8xe Oof, making me feel old because 20 years ago was 2003 and both the original Xbox and PS2 were out and booming. 2003 wasn't "barely", 3D games anymore
MAN i wish we could see more of this in the future. This is a big make it or break it moment here people. Support Spencer for this, we need more honesty upfront in the industry. Like Critikal said its very refreshing.
He’s apologising because of the backlash not because he’s an honest great guy. He could of halted the release and reviewed and made the studio polish it for us, but he wanted to push the game onto game pass as fast as possible instead
@ejakeulater I understand that part. I'm banking on maybe he doesn't control the release window and is under NDA and contracts that keep him from saying anything about the state of the product before releasing. These people up top are cutthroat and if you jeopardize their goals they'll make you homeless faster than you can blink. If I was in his position I would be scared to take that heat and lose my job too.
What the Switch also has going for it is portability. That may seem obvious, but it’s the only console where the console itself is a consideration, not just the games that are available on it.
But even with that it’s super damn lazy. The screen could be much bigger and higher quality. And the graphics are sometimes barely even an effort. There could definitely be a much more powerful version if they actually tried.
@@Davidsworldtravels I agree. I’m surprised they haven’t released at least an upgraded version (don’t count OLED), but hopefully when they do it will be such a huge improvement that it will pay off.
@@Davidsworldtravelssuper damn lazy? They made a console that doubles as a portable handheld. If you increase screen size, you make it less portable. Same goes for better hardware for graphics. This also makes a jump in cost of manufacturing the system. There's many reasons why Nintendo chooses these specs.
@@MrKevinKC yes I know but those specs were barely passable when they released it. By now it’s super dated. And so are the absolutely ridiculous screen borders. They’ve been cheap on hardware for a long time and I don’t think it’s unfair to say that. Mobile technology has improved a massive amount and a bigger and better screen is needed now that there are PS5s out there.
@@FacePalmDodger yes, but he doesn't try to force said opinions onto others, he still holds a neutral standpoint most of the time when he deals with/talks about drama
Y'all really don't know what neutrality is. You need to not have or state an opinion. Which Charlie has one and states parts of his opinions all through the video. He really isn't that neutral on actually anything. I love Charlie's content, and him not being neutral doesn't change my view on him, but he far from neutral
As someone who regularly plays the series X I will say that the biggest reason to own it is that if you don’t own a PC, for 500 dollars, it’s actually a really solid piece of hardware that can play next gen 3rd party games. When paired with game pass it’s actually an extremely affordable way to play hundreds of games at your disposable. The quick resume is a nice feature also I will add. That being said, I do wish that Xbox would put a little more focus on first party games because I think they are very capable of making some great ones. Grounded, High Fi Rush, and Pentiment were all released within the last year and have been great games but they don’t have the mass appeal that some other genres of games would have. I don’t have a gaming PC so how Ive divided my gaming is like this: PlayStation and Nintendo I play their exclusives like Spiderman and Zelda, but all the third party games I play on Xbox like CoD and Resident Evil (I’m more of a fan of the Xbox controller design than Nintendo and PlayStation also).
If i was a kid, i would buy a xbox. The gamepass is just too much value, and as a kid you can't convince your parents to keep throwing $70 at games. Now i am rich af as a programmer and i can be a "games enjoyer" as charlie said owning all platforms, but i mostly survived of pirated ps2 games back then. Id totally simp for Xbox if i was still in that situation.
In the long run, game pass will ruin any incentive to make high quality first party games. Day one releases already hurt sales and profits for a game tremendously. This will be disastrous
@@jonaslowery837 I'm talking about day one first party releases on game pass. It definitely massively reduces sales and profit of those games. Third party games that have been out for years and are already cheap on sale are not affected by this. This also means lower incentive and hence likely lower effort put into first party games like Redfall
Same they act like people will just hate on them for no reason but realistically if they just take some responsibility where they should or if they drop a stinker and actually acknowledge that they did they get a much healthier response then if they just blame everyone but themselves
Have you forgotten that we just had an incident where people playing or streaming a wizard game the internet and twitter did not like. Had their familys threatened and their info doxxed? This is why there is resistance to criticism because your side of this is crazy and likely to get violennt or dox if someone streams redfall. Because the internet mob has decided the game is bad. thus people playing or streaming it are bad.
@@housemouseshorts "Your side of this is crazy and likely to get violent or dox..." .... are you serious? Who exactly are you referring to here? Rational thinking human beings? If something sucks, it deserves to be called out for sucking. The fact that there are crazy people out there who would dox people simply for streaming Harry Potter or whatever ... that kind of trash human being will always exist, and there's nothing you can do about it. You aren't suggesting we censor free speech because of the actions of a couple retards, right?
@@housemouseshortsit's almost like there are a lot of crazy idiots with too much power on the Internet who will happily jump on a trend to feel part of something, probably to fill the empty void in their life.
@@housemouseshorts victim complex. No one is hurting people for playing games they don't like. Stop finding weird excuses to justify defending poorly made games.
Yup, only thing you need to see the issue is a comparison, like for instance thinking about how much the devs of the resident evil 4 remake clearly busted their asses, also for a game worth $60, should make you wonder.
It's like paying two different people the same money to clean your house, but one leaves streaks all over your surfaces and forgets a room, and the other cleans it top to bottom and also waxes your car even though you didn't ask
Why? Neither were finished on launch, and Elden ring has the weakest pvp in the franchise, despite them launching a pvp exclusive, “dlc”, which was really just them adding in the content they meant to have in the base game, and even the arenas themselves are worse than the colosseum in DS2, shockingly.
When a company is failing and you look at their CEO, they usually are a very out of touch and disconnected person but Phil Spencer is surprisingly lucid and candid in his company's failure
@@acatonkush8709 I think Bethesda as a publisher is also to blame here, as they were already on a downhill trend. Fallout 76 and Wolfenstein: Young Blood were obvious signs that the publisher was forcing their devs to make games with "monetization" in mind. Co-op, an half-assed loot/rpg system, and broken at launch. And Redfall fits right into that box perfectly. My theory is that since Xbox really emphasized that they're focusing on giving their devs the ability to make things without interfering, they probably ended up stepping a little too far back. Sure, THEY gave the devs freedom, but they didn't make sure that Bethesda did too. So Arkane probably didn't even want to make Redfall, but Bethesda made them, and Xbox didn't step in to stop the train wreck.
Meanwhile, 30 years ago...there was a show called Mystery Science Theatre 3000. The entire show consists of 1 guy and 2 robots mercilessly criticizing movie after movie that hundreds of people poured their blood sweat and tears into. And it was good
Anyone I know who actually only converses about media that way is hated for being so obnoxious and rude to the people around them who didn't sign up for your bit
Wow, I totally forgot about that show. I used to watch it all the time when I was a kid. It was definitely criticism, but it was hilarious, not mean spirited.
I will say, mock reviews are very good. People are honest with their boss and their peers, mock reviews are done anonymously and the feedback is untraceable. We do a lot of mock reviews internally - it's basically the only way to get feedback, with NDAs and such in place.
@@_P2M_ Well nothing is really truly "untraceable." I would hope a studio would have some level of trust and not fire someone because they didn't personally like X part of the project
Mock reviews aren't usually internal. There's a handful of third parties who provide the service and studios will send them builds at various stages of completion to review with a panel of people. It's very common industry practice to do this.
Thank you, I was going to say this. Mach reviews are either done from some external firm or sometimes they reach out to people in the games journalism community. I know Jeff Gerstmann mentioned after he was fired from GameSpot a dev approached him for Mach reviews
I love how they just decided to charge $70 for video games recently and they haven’t been able to produce anything of value that’s not broken in the last decade more or less
Even Sony realized people aren't buying $70 games. I say we should have a few more $70 stinkers from these western AAA publishers so that they lose enough money to realize lowering the price back to $60 would be beneficial to everyone.
@@jansonshrock2859 shit, you could say the same about TV and movies obviously with the way we get so many reboots and rehashes of the same thing. Companies are too scared to try something new on a fresh IP. They’re too afraid for it to fail so they just keep remaking shit because it’s got an established brand attached to it.
@@danialyousaf6456 is this not copium? The new jedi game has been getting flak for being a poor release but was like number 1 in sales before release? Actually redfall was like number 3 before release no?
@TheStrangah 96 so true, and most of the reboots or expansions on already established IP's are almost always shit. I'm actually really worried the new Indiana Jones movies coming and and the rumored TV show
I bought a PS for RE2. I bought a Dreamcast for RE:CV. I bought GameCube for RE:4. I bought a X360 for RE:5. This is one franchise alone that, due to initial exclusive releases, got me to jump across system silos. As a consumer, I'm thrilled most companies these days release cross platform but on the other hand, I'll always buy/play Nintendo even on weaker consoles bc their exclusives are second to none.
As a person in the games industry, im pretty sure mock reviews arent done just via internal teams. Mock reviews are showing the gaming media before hand with a super big NDA, and then asking them, "what do you think? what would you review this as?"
You can tell even Arkane didnt enjoy making RedFall. When Arkane wants to make a game, you can usually feel it when playing. When they pour their heart into their product, shit slaps and so to see them not even animate cutscenes or even get above 60 frames on release - you can just tell it was to please higher ups or something I guess
@@InFiNiTeO7 dude its 2023, the standard these days is 60fps exactly because our devices can run things at that frame rate. Yes 30 is fine, but not for a 70 dollar "AAA" title lol. Even my computer, which at this point is 2 gens old, runs pretty much everything at above 100fps. For the expected price if you're seriously trying to defend such a poor product then you clearly also out of touch. That would be like buying a "sports car" only to find out it actually performs more like your grandma's family car from the 80s
@@InFiNiTeO7 this is a terrible take. Yes, I'll buy my 120hz TV and get THIRTY out of a 500 console? Let me guess, you're still playing on an xbox 360? 30fps is far below the standard, the console is far more capable than that. Sounds like you just enjoy getting bent over by companies.
I would say for switch, you open the door for the first party, and then the third party is just a nice option, some games are great for a switch experience, and the indie catalogue is constantly getting bigger
Yeah Charlie’s blanket statement about third party Switch games is weird. It is true that you usually buy the Switch for the first parties, but it’s not like every single third party game on the Switch is terrible. I’ve had an awesome time playing third party games there that aren’t just small, simple ones
I agree, one of the main reasons I bought the Switch at launch was the promise of getting portable versions of great last-gen games like Borderlands, Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, etc. And for the most part those ports are excellent on the Switch
I don't want a PC yet, I like being what I'll call a "Switch Caveman" cause it let's me play games where I want without buying a whole steam deck. I can play fighterz right now instead of having to buy a whole setup just to have mods
True, thats why when a homeless kid sold me a snack in the streets I shit on him since that shit was completely dusty, that little piece of shit want it to scam me, I almost threw myself at him to break his neck
The Series S has one strong selling point that MS has not tried to capitalize on at all. Last year it was going on sale for $200 or less, I think even $150 for refurbs at one point, which in the current console and PC market is very cheap. Add in game pass, even at full price, and you have a gaming machine and access to most big new releases for half the price of a PS5, and significantly less than a gaming PC. For gamers on a budget, or younger people, the value proposition there is huge. Next holiday they should do a Series S and 6-12 month game pass bundle for $250, actually advertise it, and see how that does.
Gamepass and affordablity is xbox's selling point - once they get Bethesda and some studios to work on games and make them good (idk how they botched redfall but I was never excited for it) either way I play Xbox and PC and finally just got my friends to get gamepass - which opened up our catalogue so much
xbox is the best family and new player console imo, like you said its cheap, and gamepass broadens the horizon for everyone, your friend got a xbox but no games and you still want to play with them? gamepass. your a parent getting your kid a christmas present but torn on getting him a game thats 60 bucks? gamepass. it is imo the best casual gamer experience
GameStop did bundles like that for 2021 holidays if I remember right which made everyone come in for Xbox, especially since there were still reports of faulty PS5s plus the shortages that were occuring. With most folks moving to digital and the Series S being kept in stock, it was a really good sale along side the Switch bundles that were occuring around the same time. Yes, when PlayStations were in stock, they got gobbled up because PlayStation fans still wanted their shiny new gen console, but it was neck-and-neck between the three that holiday season (was working like 30 hours a week for the company around that time and the Thanksgiving Day/Black Friday sale day was utter insanity). If GameStop had kept up the Xbox bundle, absolutely more Xbox consoles will sale because focus now has shifted back to Nintendo and PlayStation (mostly PlayStation because most folks who want a Switch have one now).
This is genuinely interesting cus everyone sees the affordability as a benefit. But people don't take into consideration the amount of money that takes to makes games and the amount of money that Microsoft has to be haemorrhaging to keep up game pass. We're talking about multiple triple a games coming day one for 10$ a month. The numbers just don't add up, not to mention that the 60 (now 70) dollar game model isn't viable, why do you think that even single player games have microtrasactions? Because the money doesn't come from the game, it comes from whales that spend their cash in those micro transactions. Although it's definitely not 1 to 1 the cost of older videogames was way bigger than today's cost (accounting for inflation) and I'm not talking Ukrainian COVID inflation I'm talking 20-30ywar long inflation. I fell like the industry is in a bubble where either every game goes live service or online because those are subscription models not a one time buy.
gonna be honest, I've never seen somebody say I'm being "evil" or something like that for not liking a video game. people I meet just respect other opinions, but it seems I'm just lucky to meet people like that.
you forgot to mention that when boiling an egg you have to boil it for 5 minutes for a runny yolk, 8 minutes for a half-boiled yolk and 10 minutes for a fully boiled yolk. And don't forget to put your egg in ice water immediately after taking it out.
I mean, plenty of people do publish games for the sake of art, they just don't usually have the massive drama and money associated with them to warner mass (like, in the few millions) interest.
Not happening. Shitty companies like EA and Activision still make billions yearly from their bad games, it's not changing anytime soon. All we can rely on are the occasional bangers
Don't count on it Charlie played full price for it like an idiot knowing Dam n well it could be tried for free on gamepass He directly supports this awful system by buying all these games full price, youtubers are a bit part of the problem with sponsorships and being slimy shills, Charlie also did this in shilling Battlefield 2042 "Put your money where your mouth is " that's what a lot of these hypocrite gamers and youtubers NEED to do, otherwise its.just going to keep going and probably get worse
I wish that too, but unfortunately, either two things are happening: 1. The people who complain about this sort of stuff online are a very vocal minority and the majority don't care much about having these standards. And that's not me shitting on people with those standards. You can spend your money however you want. If this is the case, then we're going to have to accept the fact that we're in the minority and reallocate our funds elsewhere. Instead of putting energy into begging these corporations to do better, how about we just support the few devs that are actually interested in releasing a higher quality product? Because there are a few out there. 2. The people who are irritated with the current state of the industry ARE the majority, but they have a discipline issue. I say they have a discipline issue because despite us complaining for years, these companies still make money. These companies don't listen to your complaints. They see what you spend your money on. At the end of the day, SOMEBODY is still buying this shit. Assuming the majority of gamers are actually discontent, then the easiest solution is to, again, reallocate your funds elsewhere. Seriously, if you actually pay attention to where funds are going and stop begging these companies to do better, everything will solve itself.
Critising something is not a bad thing. Constructive criticism is needed for artists/writers/developers so they learn how to improve. I work as a multimedia designer and critical feedback has helped me way more than just praise.
This is literally my biggest pet peeve of all time, it actually drives me insane. Especially the pokemon fanbase, you're literally not allowed to criticize even 1 aspect of their 0/10 dumpster fire games. I am an insanely huge pokemon fan. You as a fan of something SHOULD criticize something you are a fan of when it sucks ass, if you just fully blindly support everything and pretend it's flawless and buy it every time anyway they will never need to improve it and you will continue to get unfinished garbage.
I still remember the Sword/Shield situation. The developers themselves blatantly lied to fans about the "less Pokémon for more quality", but what did we get? A subpar titles that doesn't live up for a 'home console quality' game. Also speaking to a huge fan, what do you think of Scarlet/Violet now? Are they now stable enough to play? Looking for some games while waiting for Tears of the Kingdom lol
Because your opinion is as bad as theirs. 0/10? Why do you have to go the extremes to describe it? It only serves to hurt your credibility. The game performs like ass and has shit graphics but mostly everything else is a new standard for Pokémon in SV, and that’s a lot of things, that are good.
@@rifatbobos The saddest part is the weathiest media company on the entire planet consistently gets outperformed by 1 guy making a romhack for free. Idk how that's even possible but it happens so often with pokemon to the point where my top 3 pokemon games aren't even official ones anymore.
@@rifatbobos Nah, Scarlet/Violet are almost as bad. The Pokemon are well-rendered and textured, but the environments look like they belong to an old Wii game. You can’t enter houses anymore, mostly because the game’s gone fully open world. The story is well written, and the NPCs are a lot livelier, but I found it pretty disappointing regardless. They also pulled the same limited Dex and DLC nonsense. Multiplayer is glitchy as hell. The new Legendaries in the DLC look stupid, almost giving Calyrex a run for his money- the one from Terapagos looks like someone bedazzled the shell of a Tirtouga, because apparently disco balls count as legendary Pokemon these days. The only positives I can think of are some of the characters, the Path of Legends and Starfall Street storylines, and the fact that you get a motorcycle lizard doggo. There’s also very little in the way of a postgame. Save your money, dude. Pokemon ain’t worth it anymore unless you buy it used.
Absolutely agreed. Another trend I hate is people treating devs like they're this angelic figure incapable of doing any wrong so you can NEVER blame what's wrong with a game on the devs, it's always the pubs, the schedule, the hardware, etc etc, but devs are untouchable, that's just bull tbh
But the truth is that for a studio of whatever size theres only a few people who have decision making power. You got your director and productor and then the respective department leads. So maybe on a 100 people studio theres just 5-6 people making calls
it basically is never their fault unless we're talking indie games, devs do what they are told to do by management/leadership. some companies have the devs making creative decisions and it's then fair to blame the devs for fucking up q gameplay mechanic, shitty graphics, etc. but any major decisions in a AAA game are not made by the devs
As someone in the industry with a AAA studio, I wont add more than what the others said. They are absolutely right. Not to mention there is underlying office politics and tenur for certain studios dealing with publishers. For indie, dev's decisions and participation is much higher. For AAA, you are literally a number and disposable.
10:58 While we can be a fan of sony, nintendo and xbox (I'm one of those), I think most people cannot afford multiple systems and I think that is what it is going to boil down to. When they have to decide which system to buy, they will have to choose a side.
@Solo_Round I agree. I wasnt even thinking about how friends friends having a certain system would also influence the decision, and time too. As a gamer when any of my casual friends ask which console is better to buy, I also say PS even though I do like all of them. It just has the best exclusive games currently. Even though Gamepass is very good, my casual friends would be shocked at the idea of a subscription to play games.
I agree with you for the most part, but the other big selling point for the switch is its portability. It's a console AND handheld, which other devices(other than steam deck) do not provide.
That comment phil made about “out consoling” sony and nintendo is not giving in. Remember, microsoft is a software company not a hardware company, thats why they push gamepass on all devices, that’s why they want all the big game companies. Their only goal is to make gamepass insanely valuable on every device available.
heres the thing though, this isnt the first time he has come out and been like " guys, we messed up, and we know we need to do better" . Its just the first time hes been brutally honest and spilled that much tea.
It's because everyone is becoming soft and brainwashed. You can't say what you think because you'll "offend" somebody or get attacked or cancelled over it.
I think Phil has a great point about the digital games library, I've been with them since the X360 and I would never switch to the Playstation due to my huge library of games most of which are backwards compatible. I understand his point that those who already have their game library don't think about changing consoles, especially those who value their money. If I were starting from scratch, I would certainly change, but that's not the case.
People can just keep the xbox console and switch to predominantly playing on playstation. With the massive sales increase for PS5 and dwindling sales of Xbox, it's clear people don't care about staying with just Xbox. If Microsoft doesn't start to make consistently good first party games then they are screwed. American corporation choose greed and selfish goals over quality while Japanese companies and game makers tend to value quality much more by the looks of it.
@@jdailey01230 wrong console? I really don't get it, we don't have exclusives but I really didn't get the Xbox for the exclusives. I got it for all the games and freinds I have that are on it so what is wrong about me enjoying it. The only interesting exclusive to me on PlayStation is bloodbourne anyway and I already have a PS4 😕
@Gus272[GD] I don't play games anymore, and I always had a Playstation, but I think it was a joke. Growing up my only other friend with a console had Xbox so we always talked shit but it was just us having fun. The only reason I'll never buy an Xbox is because I can't stand the size of the controller, and I'm 6'2 with large hands (I can palm a basketball for perspective)
@@TimothyMcVeigh-gc1sy the controller definitely help keep me around lol, but yeah completely understandable. Idk why people are so keen to just fight over what is better cause in the end its really not that serious, just like what you like man. Get out of here with the superiority complex
I was one of those people who didn’t understand why the game was getting so much flak, but then I remembered that not everyone got it for free on Xbox gamepass. Me n my buddies have been having a blast playing it, it kinda feels like watching a movie that’s so bad it’s good. But anyone who preordered, or payed actual money for it got completely ripped off.
ive been playing with my friends on GP too and the game is complete trash lol, soulless, bland open world, blander enemies, the animations are ass, uninspired game and gun design, half baked cutscenes, just a huge pile of garbage on every single aspect of the game. That's not even mentioning the performance issues or bugs and glitches. I can see the potential, but it was wasted on terrible business.
Well, even on gamepass it isn't exactly "free" either... once you stop paying for gamepass, you cannot play it anymore. However, the difference there is that gamepass had now a long time to build a solid library of other games... so when a shitty game gets released on it, it's not the end of the world (you didn't pay 70 dollars just to get a turd of a game) because you can just play any of the other hundreds of games on it, a good chunk of them are really good too.
XBox has some really great titles that deserve recognition, but they're all titles that are made by small or indie studios that fly under the radar for a lot of people because they aren't coming from AAA studios or are releasing as digital-only titles.
I appreciate Xbox more for games in game pass, the controller feels better, and My friends can’t get Pcs. UI seems better than PlayStation for what I remember too
Many gamers lately seem to have forgotten that we aren't just fans, we are customers. Feedback and criticism is imperative for the consumer's ability to receive a worthwhile product.
@Radams I wish more game companies would listen to criticism. But it’s all about money…
he forgot about forza
Imagine making a shit piece of tech product and your customers then try to defend you. Oh wait, they'll complain cause it's a shit product that hurt their business. Creatives in video game development got it too fucking good.
From my experience. I think the problem is that a lot of criticism and feedback just gets considered as complaining and gets thrown on the side. Which is strange to me why complaining somehow has a more negative context than criticism and feedback. Criticism is just someone complaining about specific aspects of a product so you can take that as data for future improvements of that same product. As long as it's constructive, complain all you want. It's helpful.
I agree, most gaming companies only read numbers and never even think about the customer, instead of hotfixes and important add ons, hey look a sequel nobody asked for.
If a game is $70 it deserves the harshest of critique
I agree. It's an unwritten rule in the gaming industry, in opinion: the higher the price tag for game that has yet to prove it worth, the harsher the criticism when it fails to meet the mark. The game "Brink" is a prime example of this rule.
If games actual came out completed I'd gladly pay $100 a game. Games have been $60-$70 since the super Nintendo era.
If a game is worth $90 it deserves an ever harsher critique
@@TexasGreed dont think games were ever $50+ during snes era, never mind 60-70 lmao
@@unraveki average price of new SNES titles absolutely were $60-70, not even adjusting for inflation! Quick google will tell you that
The Idea that Charlie insinuated that Air Bud couldn't learn to juggle or jiggle peak is a vast underestimation of his capabilities.
can't wait for Gamer Bud to come out
@@spookytv2 juggle bud lol
Ain't no way Air Bud is gonna jiggle peek, my dog reached silver 3 in CSGO and when he tries to peek he keeps getting tapped.
There ain't no rule saying a dog can't jiggle peak
He did more than insinuate, he full out said it.
This is the type of interview that gives a sliver of hope for gaming. A CEO that can be objective and not subjective with bias.
Also, Xbox is just gonna become a PC company. No reason not to especially if they can make enough games to make enough money that they make more than if they made a new console.
yeah this vid and your comment didn't age well
@@puppetstudio4989 hey whats up. why didnt it age well. I am not caught up on things
Mad respect seeing a CEO in touch in reality for once.
Nah, he was selling hopes and dreams for 8 years, 2 generations of bricks with promises of games that he never delivered but somehow everytime "next year" was going to be the one for xbox. And again he took accountability for nothing, just sleazily passed on the blame on Arkane for not being "connected" with Xbox studios and giving them "creative freedom". How did Halo Infinite work out, that was suppose to be an Xbox studios project. Its always "hands off" and "creative freedom" to blame when it doesnt work out, but its all leadership when it does.
They took credit for Hi Fi Rush, but Redfalls failure is all on the developers?
Right, but as charlie said I dont exactly believe if they had good exclusives people wouldn't switch over, I remember how excited for example for Scalebound the Platnuim games title that was supposed to be a Xbox One exclusive. If they would have just doubled down and got out a few banger titles and stuck with the ones they ended up canceling they probably would have been fine.
He's been lying to Microsoft supporters for a decade. Just because he wears a t shirt and not a suit doesn't mean he's "in touch with reality"
I'm a little surprised people aren't mentioning the Activision takeover. The idea is that he is trying to downplay Xbox to make the deal more likely to go through.
Yes
Criticism is also what refines and distinguishes art… like mindless consumption is how we got to this point to begin with
But feelings
And how a banana taped to a wall classifies as art now
Bots
Basically pokébabies with the newer pokemon games.
Noooo, you're supposed to just consume product!!!
Imagine a world where companies like Disney and Activision were this honest and admitted when they fucked things up. Right now, they NEVER see themselves as anything short of perfect.
actiblizzard has too many post release updates for their games, I think
disney is just too evil of a company to do this, activison is much too greedy to do so
what about Sintendo
I wouldn’t care if their games were at least patched into not sucking
Every single "live action" remake? Oh boy, if only.
Charley, thanks a lot for keeping me company while I eat dinner after work. Something I always look forward to for real. Thank you.
this is the most wholesome thing
of all time
all my love bestie, i know the feeling ❤
This is cute
Same here, man. Charlie's videos are perfect for meals. I'm eating some croissants and a cup of tea
I cannot believe we're now at the point where it's problematic to have a less than positive opinion on something.
The irony is that the people who freak out when something they like receives less than positive attention are the same people who send death threats to celebs they don’t like on twitter.
Idk man I’ve heard “if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything at all” for my entire 30 year life and that’s basically the exact same sentiment.
@@davidpilger4136 no it isn’t the same sentiment. If you’re paying for a product, you expect the product to be of a certain standard. If it isn’t, you have the right to bitch about it. Especially since retail price of this game is higher than what normal new releases are. If people aren’t allowed to make constructive criticisms about products they buy, how do companies know that they need to improve? And what stops them from pumping out absolute dog shit one after the other because people still buy their crap knowing it’s bad because they’re too afraid of the cancel police to say that the product they paid for could be better? “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all” applies to things like bullying and harassment, not to shitty products that you paid a lot of money for.
Bro, this is not new- for one single example- ever heard of JFK?
@@davidpilger4136 Yes, and it has always been dumb af. The message it tries to give is "Just dont be mean for no reason". But in reality this sentiment has only been used to silence critism and make people think less critical.
Internet: “Your job is to rate video games on a scale from ‘Good’ to ‘Excellent’!”
Charlie: “What if I don’t like them?”
Internet: “That’s what ‘Good’ is for.”
Typing saying that About Steam he's got overwhelmingly positive very positive mostly positive. And mixed is about the worst rating there is. Overwhelmingly positive and very positive the only games I was Buy
@@Ranchdressing890 no? Red fall has like very negative rn
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Wtf who are you??
Who od'd?
"Why would you buy the game if you don't like it?"
Ah jeez Jerry it's almost like I didn't know that until actually playing it.
And when you call it bad without buying it :" how can you tell its bad , you clearly havent played it 😡😡😡" .
MAYBE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE ABSOLUTE SHIT AND EVERYONE WITH JUST A BIT OF TASTE ALSO THINKS THAT ?!
Because companies would often hold up review copies until after launch, especially when they know the game is bad like in this case, the review embargo was set hours after launch, the only early reviews are from the known shills that trade access for integrity that were flown to Microsoft all expenses paid and given a vertical slice of the game and will praise the game even if they know its crap just so they dont lose their access, kinda like Yong Yea and Skill Up with Cyberpunk.
So how would people know if the game is good without buying it if the reviews come out days after release?
That's when you say "Because I liked what they showed us, but I didn't like what they didn't show us".
What we saw looked like a shitty mobile game bro. It was like they advertised dog shit. I have no idea how you fell for that.
Well people have to make a mistake and learn not to buy instantly after release with no real knowledge on how the game performs, otherwise fall into the trap of insanity making the same choice expecting a different result. Only truly researching will you know what you're buying and if it's already vague it's best to wait. 2 examples I can think of are anthem and cyberpunk I didn't buy cyberpunk but I got anthem and they burned me to the point I trust basically no devs or studios anymore, could of been a good game if they didn't immediately give up and just move on throwing away their roadmap. Save 1 Fromsoftware and that's because they literally give us all the info we need on what they're giving us and even go beyond normal developers and give us network tests or early access which shows it's basic functions and then take what we say into consideration in certain situations.
If anything we owe it to both ourselves and the developers to be honest and deliver accurate critical feedback
Even a free indie game deserves to have it's flaws recognized
Without criticism, they'll never improve
If you were always told that you're the best at something, you're not gonna feel any need to practice or improve
The more I learn the less I know
@@SauceBlob The less I hear the less you say, you’ll find out that anyway.
Yeah just don't be a bully
UA-camrs deserve more criticism because they're all so lazy
Very true. And real criticism would take price and such into account that’s what a real critic would do.
I used to manage two teams for a game company years ago, their jobs being to write up qualitative reports about the content being made. They would cover the good and the bad of what was being made. Some of the developers loved us, it gave them a chance to fix what they could before it would go live. However, most of them hated my us. They'd complain to the team leads, directors, the ceo, and my boss about how we were too harsh and focused too much on the bad. I was "asked" to sugar coat the reports after that and to be nicer. Love my teams and the work we did. But man some developers just can't handle having their stuff critiqued.
People in general don't take criticism well
@@jacksonmatysik8007 lot of people too insecure to take criticism nowadays
@@spnkrt “nowadays” never
20 years ago if you suck you just get fired, or nobody buys your game. You are forced to take criticismto improve. Now you just need to pump out a game and who cares about those toxic gamers?
@@spnkrt People have never taken criticism well. Ever. “Nowadays” means nothing
It's like having an artist work on a painting for months, and everyone waits on the finished product just to find out the painting isn't as good as you expected it to be but you have to say you like it to the artist to try protect their feelings. Instead, you should tell the artist what's done wrong so they can make the changes for better.
Yeah except now imagine that the artist spent months telling everyone how amazing and groundbreaking their painting is going to be, sets a price for the painting before it’s finished, and even takes money from people who want to preorder the painting.
Then the artist unveils a canvas smeared with poop.
People do that to artists too, it's frustrating af
Dear "nice" people: If someone asks for your opinion in their art, they want your opinion on their art. Honest opinion. I hate when I can tell something us wrong but can't find anyone honest enough to tell me. (Thankfully artist communities have changed that for me, but I'd be much further along if people gave constructive criticism.)
Also those who don't want to hear negativity need to be taught not to invite it by asking.
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constructive critisizim is underated
bad analogy.. you can’t tell an artist what’s wrong or right. games are more objective
Phil never pushes blame on the teams under him, even when he really should. The interview he did for this on the Xbox podcast youtube he seemed like it was really getting to him having to take blame for other people's fuck ups all the time for so consistently long.
In that case maybe he needs to adopt the military officers policy of "shit rolls downhill" lmao
Like not to sound institutionalized, but where's the accountability here? I appreciate him not just publicly shoving the blame on them cause that's a bad look, but privately he needs to be IN THEIR ASS figuring out what's causing them to crank out trash like this.
We've seen arcane do amazing so it's not like they can't pull it off. Something is fucking with their process and he needs to dig up a root cause. Taking all the blame isn't going to help either you know?
@@Batchall_Accepted that's exactly what I'm thinking and he even mentions it in the actual podcast vid that there might be some internal issues going on if the internal test scores were so high and it released to honest trash.
That and as you said, these devs have a good track record. What really is going on at xbox? We know damn well they don't rush games so it has to be something else.
Starfield is going to be the biggest make or break for any developer in my lifetime. They are either going to be the biggest comeback of all time or relegated to "the elder scrolls developer."
Bethesda only makes broken games. The only they stay relevant is because of mods.
You weren't alive when Final Fantasy was released?
Stop pre-ordering games, people! PRE-ORDERS KILLED VIDEO GAMES!
I play a fuck ton of games and have my entire life and I have 2 questions. What is Starfield and is me asking that question an indication that it's already failing?
@@MagickP00dle : If the first question was sincere, then the answer would be, “yes,” to the second. The answer to the first? It’s the last, best hope for Microsoft’s XBox publishers and players. What do you play on? If you’re so hardcore, I’m guessing you play on PC?
I swear, I imagine Charlie being the expert on hooks in essays back in school to get someone lured into his essay.
Doraemon fans is like unicorn.
lmaoo baby faced charlie at the front of the class ready to blow everybody's mind about how psychonauts is the best game of all time
@AzureWolf true
Games are an art, they are meant to be reviewed and critiqued
They’re also a consumable product. If it’s ok to critique films and tv shows then it’s ok to criticize video games. If you pay for a product and it is unsatisfactory then you should be allowed to be upset.
yeah but alot of people cry when you do that.
@@pitbullnamedcupcake8485 yeah I think that’s the best way to put it, if it’s a form of media that you make for people not everyone is gonna like it 💀
if you spent money for it and the product is bad, you have right to critique the product.
@@pitbullnamedcupcake8485 The main issue is people thinking a game failed if they don't give it a 7/10-1/10. A 7/10 would make the game great, not just good. A 5/10 game is an okay game, or a fine game, but players will act like its the end of the world because they paid $70 for it. You could read you and your friends a single fast food meal for $70 but a video game being "fine" makes that price unacceptable?
The problem here is that people like me spent the last two decades telling people that they needed to stop just buying up every CoD and shit like it because it gave the industry the wrong idea and finally people want to fight back but they're doing it to shit that was never going to be good in the first place. Dishonored was bad on so many levels but most of you played it when you were children so you think it was a masterpiece or something. Dishonored was a 5/10, maybe a 6/10 tops, and Redfall sits right around there as well. Prey was also dog shit but people like walking simulators with combat once every ten minutes so there's no convincing you all that that's the case. In no universe was Redfall going to be a game that revolutionizes the industry and blows our collective minds, all of you pretending it was isn't helping the industry at all it's just making you look entitled. Hold onto this anger and disappointment and put it on the next CoD, Overwatch, or whatever other billion dollar franchises get shit out these next few years. No one is listening to you when you're bitching about a game everyone with half a brain knew was going to be mediocre.
I think where the distinction is made is when people purposely ruin a company's reputation because of allegations or having a single bad game. If the company goes under, so will the employees. For most of these people, it's their job, and they take pride in it. My brother is a game designer and has gotten death threats for a game he didn't even work on.
I love how Charlie is able to come up with the best insults and say them with a straight face 😅
Honesty is the first step to improvement.
Sure, but it doesn't sound like Phil actually intends to improve anything. Like at all. His company lost last Gen after dominating with the 360, so instead he's resigned to tell Sony and Nintendo "ggs"? If I was a Microsoft shareholder reading this I'd be calling for his head.
And believing rich people words is the first step to foolishness
tbh I think it's a strategic comment of Phil Spencer to ensure that the Activision Deal gets through. No CEO would actually say that you're the worst on the market unless there is a bigger picture behind it.
this is so true. The moment you comment even how one negative thing about a product you paid, and there are people who would accuse you as bullying.
Brings back vibes from the Fanchen rush E drama. "This is mediocre, no offense" -> labelled as villain by the entire Internet when all he did was give his honest opinion, and offered constructive criticism afterwards.
This is the state of the Internet right now, you can't say anything if it's not sugar-coated in forced wholesomeness. I hope Charlie addresses this some day, and acknowledges how poorly he treated content as in his "when the bad guy wins" video.
That's ok because I don't pay for games, and people like me will even it out.
I’m not expecting to change anyone’s mind, but take a look at Charlie’s page, Mudahar, etc. All they do is talk about how bad stuff is.
cap. no ones accused of bullying for criticising redfall
Block them or ignore them. I'd tell them to despawn themselves but my comment would get deleted because everyone is so soft nowadays.
First time i actually respect a CEO, super sincere guy
I was talking about something similar to this with my friends the other day. I was saying how the best thing this $10 price hike on AAA games did was get people to think before they buy the latest full-priced update to CoD, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed, or whatever else. They really should've just continued to fly under the radar instead of trying to get more out of people. Everyone really seemed to be asleep at the wheel, paying 60 dollars for an extra map or two but then they all got startled awake when that 10 extra dollars came flying into their faces.
True, but I still feel like the majority just chucks $70 to preordering without second thoughts. I hope that changes with all these lackluster AAA titles we've had release in this first half of the year.
I remember when AAA new releases were $49.99. The $10 increase to $59.99 made me a lot more selective about what games I buy
It also is somewhat shocking that games were $60 for so long. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to spend $100 let alone $70 on broken AAA titles, but game development costs didn’t pass down to retail price like you’d expect.
@@Spartan-301st no. Games of last generation and this generation are just the same. No reason for 10 dollar price hike. What next 80 dollars for game like redfall?
Sonic unleashed though oh my GOSH that was the game back then
I love modern approach "everything is subjective duh". Yeah, no one can criticize anything, nothing matters, let's just all scream into the void
dude💀 no one said tht but to say tht “there’s no reason to buy am xbox” is such a robotic response
@n30n that is the spirit
the void is great !!
Yeah you are absolutely right. I was thinking the same thing too
it's almost like there was some major public figure like 7 years ago who was trying to warn everyone about postmodernists and marxism infecting education at all levels and then yall starting hating on Mr Jordan Peterson for just spittin' truths.
360’s catalog is actually super nostalgic & amazing. What a time to be alive as a kid playing games.
Fr, I used to be so excited to come home everyday and play assassins creed 3, oblivion, new vegas, and so many of the games with gold free games were so good, got dark souls 2 for free, toy soldiers Cold War was free, I could go on so much. A lot of these are on ps3 too but getting stuff for free with the game pass and getting good games at that, it was so much fun
Yeah honestly it was way more stacked than the PS3 catalogue. It's insane how hard they dropped the ball. Like GoW and Halo are both dead, how did they let that happen.
How is GoW dead? Are you high? The last 2 banged. Also those games were also on ps3 besides halo. This "catalogue" of Xboxs is smaller than PS by a large margin. Even their subscription has a larger amount of free games. Gamepass having new ones isnt always a plus, look at redfall. Sony has more on the platform overall.
I used to be a diehard fan, I have my original Xbox still love every halo up to reach. 360 era was amazing tbh, i hated how ps3 didn't have party chat like 360. But after 360 era it went downhill and never climbed back up so I went to ps3 then 4. But I honestly prefer 360 over ps3 for all those halo 3 and reach memories.
Just because Phil tries with some damage control and honesty the fans start meat riding. They fucked halo, they fucked redfall, they fucked crackdown, they fucked whatever else exclusive they cobbled together. That's why they're desperately buying studios so everyone else can make games for em. He HAS to do this. Don't be sorry, be better.
And all those really bad but fun indie games that were like $1/£0.69
The 360 was one of the best consoles ever made. Just thinking about it is making me want to boot mine up. It's been awhile.
stop tolerating unfinished games at release for a full price, this behavior will only hurt the gaming industry even more
I think what Phil meant is that people have already gotten their digital libraries full of games, and switching over would mean you can’t play any of those, and so even if Xbox had fantastic exclusives people still don’t want to give up their games, and not everyone has the money for 2 consoles
This is exactly what he meant. Charlie definitely misunderstands this.
i was on the xbox one s last generation and switched to ps5 almost a year ago. left behind my massive library of games, and got playstations equivalent of game pass. i now have exactly 100 games in my library and a lot of them are playstation exclusives. gow, horizon forbidden west, spiderman, demons souls and bloodborne. if there’s games that people want to play on a certain console and see no reason of owning the other one due to lack of games, ya i think people will definitely be influenced by that
Charlie is saying that if Xbox has good exclusives people would consider getting the Xbox for them. Exactly what he said. You don’t have to sell your ps5. And you could play your ps5 games on your ps5. And just have your Xbox for the exclusives. Pretty clear to me. Not having the money is really the only reasonable thing to conclude from that statement
@@mediocreness2833 consoles are expensive, and the PS5 and XSX are *large*. The amount of customers willing to double dip are probably far less than the number of customers you'd have gotten if you "won" the console wars in the first place.
@@mediocreness2833 right a ton of people had a xbox 360 and a ps3. granted both of those together about equal how much a modern console cost.
People that complain that others criticize things are people who dont take a moment of their time to understand that just because you like something doesnt mean it cant be talked about negatively
Lol I have a friend that’s exactly like this. we once had a heated discussion about guacamole. I said I didn’t like it and didn’t think it was worth paying extra for on food and he, no joke, debated me for like 5 minutes over it
Bruv i loved tlou2 and this is the most relatable shit i have seen on yt comments lmao
It's the difference between a TRUE fan and a sycophantic fanboy. Fans are critical of the things they love. Fanboys just mindlessly consume product.
It's what happens when people become loyal to certain things. It's the same way sports fans are. Very defensive when you criticize "their team". Only this is so much worse because their blind loyalty leads to worse products for everyone else. The console wars have allowed Microsoft to become complacent since there are now a whole bunch of dedicated Xbox fans who will buy anything they release and defend them endlessly. It's exactly why being loyal to a brand or a company is such a bad thing. Because it allows companies to take advantage of their consumers, which they all do because companies are always going to take advantage of consumers for profit.
Grammar generates context, your dribbling.....
Their "mock reviews" is like police investigating their own crime or coporations inpsecting their own health and hazzard violations
Mock reviews are done by 3rd party companies, not internally. Almost all studios use them before releasing their games to get a better understanding of what the public reception will be before release, and how to improve it if it is bad
I think it is like rereading what you wrote in a book. But you are blind to most errors, I feel like bringing in outside people to be unfiltered will work best
Brutally accurate description.
@@that.one.guy.377 Very often the people doing mock reviews are actually reviewers. Freelance reviewers choose to do these, they get offered them a lot and it's pretty good money.
TBH it's a fairly decent way to gauge the quality of a game. It's easy to go blind when you're surrounded by your game all day long.
@@vgaportauthority9932 it makes me wonder if the reviewers are unconsciously trying to be “too nice” or are worried if they’re too harsh they won’t get hired again
I'm so glad the catalog thing was brought up. They are getting smaller for each generation.
if we start excusing the bad, we'll stop respecting the good.
Netflix👀👀
@@TRUEbASNER 😂
If?
M8, we have been doing it for years now
Including charlie, he shilled 2042 hard
People only respect this game because it's bad when you think about it. A mediocre game won't drum up this much sympathy because it won get this much backlash, such a big lash to the back seems harsh to the people who see these companies as some sort of indie project trial and error art career.
I don’t know where you been but we been doing both for a long time buddy
1:03 and the wierdest bit is is that if u want to become a game dev you have to embrace user feedback and use it to your advantage. Its an entire step in publishing a game. You sit back, maybe relax a little and wait for user feedback which will help guide gurther development of the game. I dont get constructive crytisism is now seen as 'evil' when devs need it.
Devs use QA and blind playtesters for this. Not feedback from randoms who don't know what makes a good game
As if "great game, so nice that you put efforts into it, keep going" was constructive criticism.
@Colin Rini QA and playtesters focus on bugs and playability, not the overall design or direction. Smart dev teams don't alienate their target audience and do everything they can to learn the trends in what they want.
Facts! like for me, a developer's version of a secret ingredient for a successful dish is feedback. And the reason I even call it secret is cause some develepers and game making companies either don't know it or consider it as an insult.😢
@@crini413 said randoms are the people they're catering to lmao
My biggest breaking point for this game is the fact that there is no option to limit how many frames it's actually pushing on PC so therefore it's trying to use way more than it should and cause frame stutters
Lmfao locked at 30 on console, locked at 30 million on PC
@@bigdadybojangls9219 is it hard locked steady 30 fps? I wouldn't even be mad tbh if it was dead on 30fps locked
you can lock framerate in Nvidia control panel, no? If you have an Nvidia gpu that is. Most games I know of you can do this.
@@JunkBondTrader u can also do it in rivatuner statistics server
The "mock reviews" were actually probably pretty accurate usually considering 7 is basically the lowest score a mainstream review source will generally give.
People need to start making the distinction between the individual developers and the entire company. Specifically their management. Anyone who has worked under shitty management knows there is only so much a single person can do. If the company fails to allocate resources properly, the result is always failure. By defending the company and purchasing their product, you are supporting that failure and ensuring that it will continue. If you want a better product, vote with your wallet and don't buy trash.
Definitely! Which is why pre-orders should be made obsolete!
The devs are just as much at fault.
Even if the devs aren't at fault, they already got paid. Buying the game doesn't actually support them, just keeps them stuck in a dysfunctional system.
@@_CetarialThat would be true in the indie scene or even the AA scene. But AAA games are made by hundreds, often well into the thousands of devs. Each often works on super specific tiny details, like an artist paid to paint trees for months on end and nothing else.
In cases like that, it's an issue of leadership not being able to properly foster communication between teams and ensure the end product comes together properly.
@@_Cetarialdepends on the situation, mostly it's company's fault due to their mismanagement, but there are some instances where developers mismanaged, mostly AA or indie games.
people, consumers, sticking up for corporations will never not be cringe.
Preach. I lost all hope for gaming consumers when I saw how many people supported the Microsoft/Activision merger. It's embarrassing seeing so many people lick corporate boots in situations where it's so obviously not beneficial for consumers in any conceivable way. The industry is doomed if that's the attitude of the consumers who are buying these products.
Well the government ruled that corporations are people too, so we're actually just sticking up for people.
@@Albus_Rex Copium
The merger would be good for the gaming community because it creates competition and right now there is none
big fax
It's always nice to see a little honesty in the world, isn't it Chuck?
Who’s chuck?
@@Deathmare235It's a nickname. Chuck = Charles.
Charlie: I hope Arkane's next game is better than Redfall
Microsoft: *Shuts Arkane down*
... well shit
Thank You! This just doesn’t go to games, but with movies too. I’m tired of people making much needed criticism look like a bad thing. If I spend good amount of money on a product and I end up not liking it, I’m not goin to pretend there isn’t anything bad with it.
The problem is not the criticism the problem is that it never stays just words. It always ALWAYS leads to doxxing and threats from the otherside now. If you watch MCU films and enjoy them. You are now woke and a leftwing tranny and will be delt with. If you play Hogwarts legacy you are a nazzi supporter and will be delt with. We are in times where what you watch and what you play. MUST be justified by your politics and you MUST be ready to defend yourself physical and online if you take the chance to play or watch the thing. Because your life will be threatened by many people if it becomes public knowlage.
Everyone making something knows that, but their instincts go into a defensive state because they feel attacked and do not want to realize that what they made is bad, all while they worked pretty hard and long on it.
This is true but I also hate when someone’s criticism isn’t fair or is just plain wrong and then they use this as an excuse.
“What? Am I not allowed to criticize it?!” Well no it’s that your criticism is stupid.
Charlie is somehow the most sarcastic unsarcastic person I've ever seen
That describes him perfectly.
Your comment has been stolen by bots sorry bro
@Beast Mode it means unsarcastic and sarcastic.
@@NetBattler which by extension, means: sarcastic unsarcasm... Which in turn means unsarcastic sarcasm sarcastic unsarcasm...
@Beast Mode he is sarcastic without trying to be sarcastic
The industry, the studio and the players all exist in different realities. We are in a crossroads between capability and accessability.
If games start to come out like HiFi Rush, then I really hope they can turn it around and I do love how Phil spencer is honest with this interview and I wish more companies did this
People get ego damaged when they pay for trash and feel embarrassed. Also, people tend to see any and all negativity as a negative thing, quite ironic being "negative" about negativity.
Destiny 2 Lightfall expansion in a nutshell
People also think that you criticizing something they like is you criticizing them and not the piece of media.
@@lockerbuddy2039 yeah 100% goes into the ego damage thing
That’s a “I don’t give a fuck, I’m getting fired anyway” interview. Never seen a defeated Phil like that. That man can usually spin ANYTHING
That’s what happens when you let your friend circle tank the iconic IP into oblivion and stay silent taking no responsibility. This guy has always screamed fake.
This is the same man who has said "This is THE year for Xbox" for like 5 years in a row. If he says it's over then it's fucking over.
@@naveriru6982 He never said anything was over lol, what?
@@garrett3108he didn’t say that….. he said that phill drags on so much, that if he was to say it was over, then it would absolutely be over because phill is all Xbox has, he never said it was a quote that phill said it was over
@@garrett3108 Not literally, but no matter how you spin it this is Phil admiting defeat. He's not even confident in Starfield being good enough to fix their reputation and that is their big game for the year.
20 years ago this level of game would be free in a box of cereal
Actually the quality would be better because back then they couldn’t just send out a patch. Also rollercoaster tycoon was the shit
20 years ago you barely had 3D games.
edit: since there are a lot of cucks being like "tHeY weRe 3d gAmEs iN 2003"
Google the word "barely" you imbeciles. 3D was something new and revolutionary in the early 2000s.
@Firewynn PAJAMA SAM
@@Defort-jd8xe Oof, making me feel old because 20 years ago was 2003 and both the original Xbox and PS2 were out and booming. 2003 wasn't "barely", 3D games anymore
@@Defort-jd8xe kid we've had 3d graphics since the early 90s, 30 years of 3d graphics, were you born in the late 2000s?😂😂😂😂😂
He has 30 minutes on it so I imagine he played it and said "I need to apologise for this"
MAN i wish we could see more of this in the future. This is a big make it or break it moment here people. Support Spencer for this, we need more honesty upfront in the industry. Like Critikal said its very refreshing.
If only he had the power to change how things were done so we didn’t get crap like Redfall and a disappointing Halo…..
How about he makes good games first
He’s apologising because of the backlash not because he’s an honest great guy.
He could of halted the release and reviewed and made the studio polish it for us, but he wanted to push the game onto game pass as fast as possible instead
@ejakeulater I understand that part. I'm banking on maybe he doesn't control the release window and is under NDA and contracts that keep him from saying anything about the state of the product before releasing. These people up top are cutthroat and if you jeopardize their goals they'll make you homeless faster than you can blink. If I was in his position I would be scared to take that heat and lose my job too.
@@WykedLord he is the literal boss of the entire gaming division. What are you talking about lol.
What the Switch also has going for it is portability. That may seem obvious, but it’s the only console where the console itself is a consideration, not just the games that are available on it.
Enters Steam Deck
But even with that it’s super damn lazy. The screen could be much bigger and higher quality. And the graphics are sometimes barely even an effort. There could definitely be a much more powerful version if they actually tried.
@@Davidsworldtravels I agree. I’m surprised they haven’t released at least an upgraded version (don’t count OLED), but hopefully when they do it will be such a huge improvement that it will pay off.
@@Davidsworldtravelssuper damn lazy? They made a console that doubles as a portable handheld. If you increase screen size, you make it less portable. Same goes for better hardware for graphics. This also makes a jump in cost of manufacturing the system. There's many reasons why Nintendo chooses these specs.
@@MrKevinKC yes I know but those specs were barely passable when they released it. By now it’s super dated. And so are the absolutely ridiculous screen borders. They’ve been cheap on hardware for a long time and I don’t think it’s unfair to say that. Mobile technology has improved a massive amount and a bigger and better screen is needed now that there are PS5s out there.
charlie is onto every news outlet looking for everything to talk about to his fans, actual legend
Or he’s just terminally online and using all of you morons for money and views because you all have no lives either 😮😢😂
@Rejalo24285 sadly yes
My respect for Charlie's upstanding opinions always leaves me in awe, you're a King Charlie!!
He is incredibly far from neutral
He states a lot of opinions
@@FacePalmDodger yes, but he doesn't try to force said opinions onto others, he still holds a neutral standpoint most of the time when he deals with/talks about drama
@@FacePalmDodger more neutral than literally everyone else, yes.
Y'all really don't know what neutrality is. You need to not have or state an opinion. Which Charlie has one and states parts of his opinions all through the video. He really isn't that neutral on actually anything. I love Charlie's content, and him not being neutral doesn't change my view on him, but he far from neutral
As someone who regularly plays the series X I will say that the biggest reason to own it is that if you don’t own a PC, for 500 dollars, it’s actually a really solid piece of hardware that can play next gen 3rd party games. When paired with game pass it’s actually an extremely affordable way to play hundreds of games at your disposable. The quick resume is a nice feature also I will add.
That being said, I do wish that Xbox would put a little more focus on first party games because I think they are very capable of making some great ones. Grounded, High Fi Rush, and Pentiment were all released within the last year and have been great games but they don’t have the mass appeal that some other genres of games would have. I don’t have a gaming PC so how Ive divided my gaming is like this: PlayStation and Nintendo I play their exclusives like Spiderman and Zelda, but all the third party games I play on Xbox like CoD and Resident Evil (I’m more of a fan of the Xbox controller design than Nintendo and PlayStation also).
If i was a kid, i would buy a xbox. The gamepass is just too much value, and as a kid you can't convince your parents to keep throwing $70 at games. Now i am rich af as a programmer and i can be a "games enjoyer" as charlie said owning all platforms, but i mostly survived of pirated ps2 games back then. Id totally simp for Xbox if i was still in that situation.
@@cloudarthur7024 you need to chill tf out dude
In the long run, game pass will ruin any incentive to make high quality first party games. Day one releases already hurt sales and profits for a game tremendously. This will be disastrous
@@Rationality4Life if game pass is destroying there profits ,why do studios put there game on it?
@@jonaslowery837 I'm talking about day one first party releases on game pass. It definitely massively reduces sales and profit of those games. Third party games that have been out for years and are already cheap on sale are not affected by this. This also means lower incentive and hence likely lower effort put into first party games like Redfall
I have high respect for high power people who can say when they’ve screwed up
Same they act like people will just hate on them for no reason but realistically if they just take some responsibility where they should or if they drop a stinker and actually acknowledge that they did they get a much healthier response then if they just blame everyone but themselves
I get where you're coming from but man the bar is so low for the standards we hold people in power to.
Same, but if they don't take action on what they said, they are even more trash than those who don't.
Means nothing, Arkane hasnt apologised and refunded the awful game
It almost makes me want to buy an Xbox.
Almost.
what you described is a thing called "forced positivity". its a way to cause conformity in people that are already predisposed to it.
Everybody on tik tok...
Have you forgotten that we just had an incident where people playing or streaming a wizard game the internet and twitter did not like. Had their familys threatened and their info doxxed? This is why there is resistance to criticism because your side of this is crazy and likely to get violennt or dox if someone streams redfall. Because the internet mob has decided the game is bad. thus people playing or streaming it are bad.
@@housemouseshorts "Your side of this is crazy and likely to get violent or dox..." .... are you serious? Who exactly are you referring to here? Rational thinking human beings? If something sucks, it deserves to be called out for sucking. The fact that there are crazy people out there who would dox people simply for streaming Harry Potter or whatever ... that kind of trash human being will always exist, and there's nothing you can do about it. You aren't suggesting we censor free speech because of the actions of a couple retards, right?
@@housemouseshortsit's almost like there are a lot of crazy idiots with too much power on the Internet who will happily jump on a trend to feel part of something, probably to fill the empty void in their life.
@@housemouseshorts victim complex. No one is hurting people for playing games they don't like. Stop finding weird excuses to justify defending poorly made games.
The difference between a $60 Elden Ring and a $70 Redfall is mind blowing to me...
Yup, only thing you need to see the issue is a comparison, like for instance thinking about how much the devs of the resident evil 4 remake clearly busted their asses, also for a game worth $60, should make you wonder.
It's like paying two different people the same money to clean your house, but one leaves streaks all over your surfaces and forgets a room, and the other cleans it top to bottom and also waxes your car even though you didn't ask
Why? Neither were finished on launch, and Elden ring has the weakest pvp in the franchise, despite them launching a pvp exclusive, “dlc”, which was really just them adding in the content they meant to have in the base game, and even the arenas themselves are worse than the colosseum in DS2, shockingly.
@@roycethompson3161are you comparing elden rings fps issue on PC to redfalls all around failures on XBOX . The console it’s EXCLUSIVELY FOR?
@@roycethompson3161 bro really trying to say elden ring is on par with fucking red fall 🫥
When a company is failing and you look at their CEO, they usually are a very out of touch and disconnected person but Phil Spencer is surprisingly lucid and candid in his company's failure
Let’s just hope something good comes out of his realization
Admitting your mistakes is good, but improving on them is even better. Let’s see if Phil has what it takes.
It’s probably his failure more than his company’s. His choices in getting this game out may have been out-of-touch.
@@acatonkush8709 I think Bethesda as a publisher is also to blame here, as they were already on a downhill trend. Fallout 76 and Wolfenstein: Young Blood were obvious signs that the publisher was forcing their devs to make games with "monetization" in mind. Co-op, an half-assed loot/rpg system, and broken at launch. And Redfall fits right into that box perfectly.
My theory is that since Xbox really emphasized that they're focusing on giving their devs the ability to make things without interfering, they probably ended up stepping a little too far back. Sure, THEY gave the devs freedom, but they didn't make sure that Bethesda did too. So Arkane probably didn't even want to make Redfall, but Bethesda made them, and Xbox didn't step in to stop the train wreck.
I mean his take of "even if we had great exclusives people wouldn't buy the xsx" is pretty out of touch
As a person who owns an Xbox and just built his first pc those 30 frames were as brutal as the game itself
Congrats on the pc
same i just built mine after having an xbox
I don’t criticize people/products because I hated it, I criticize people/products because I want them to be better
AEW be like that sometimes
99% of the time they certainly can do better, but do they really wanna? Not until they're broke
It's nice to see a ceo being somewhat honest and real for once
Charlie is underestimating Air Bud and his ability to be good at things humans do.
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Just gotta give my homie the right control method
I was not expecting this reference here
Nice job of dumbing down top comment
Meanwhile, 30 years ago...there was a show called Mystery Science Theatre 3000. The entire show consists of 1 guy and 2 robots mercilessly criticizing movie after movie that hundreds of people poured their blood sweat and tears into. And it was good
Love this show, good stuff
MST3K was always awesome.. ROSDOWER!
Anyone I know who actually only converses about media that way is hated for being so obnoxious and rude to the people around them who didn't sign up for your bit
I remember watching it with my dad, shit was funny as hell
Wow, I totally forgot about that show. I used to watch it all the time when I was a kid. It was definitely criticism, but it was hilarious, not mean spirited.
The number of times I’ve heard Charlie say “smooth brain” or “wriggly brain” is out of this world.
thank you for always being my go to person to watch. anytime i’m eating or going to sleep i watch your videos to help me
I will say, mock reviews are very good. People are honest with their boss and their peers, mock reviews are done anonymously and the feedback is untraceable. We do a lot of mock reviews internally - it's basically the only way to get feedback, with NDAs and such in place.
I never trust these reviews to stay anonymous. The only one I've filled out honestly was right before i quit
That's interesting I haven't thought of that it's a good idea
I get that it's anonymous, but untraceable? Doubt it.
Makes sense they would do it anonymously. Why didnt I think of that
@@_P2M_ Well nothing is really truly "untraceable." I would hope a studio would have some level of trust and not fire someone because they didn't personally like X part of the project
Mock reviews aren't usually internal.
There's a handful of third parties who provide the service and studios will send them builds at various stages of completion to review with a panel of people.
It's very common industry practice to do this.
Thank you, I was going to say this. Mach reviews are either done from some external firm or sometimes they reach out to people in the games journalism community. I know Jeff Gerstmann mentioned after he was fired from GameSpot a dev approached him for Mach reviews
It's basically replaced what used to be proper QA testing. Since actual QA testing has been passed onto the paying customers.
I love how they just decided to charge $70 for video games recently and they haven’t been able to produce anything of value that’s not broken in the last decade more or less
poor quality of new games is the number 1 reason skyrim is still relevant and getting new releases
Even Sony realized people aren't buying $70 games. I say we should have a few more $70 stinkers from these western AAA publishers so that they lose enough money to realize lowering the price back to $60 would be beneficial to everyone.
@@jansonshrock2859 shit, you could say the same about TV and movies obviously with the way we get so many reboots and rehashes of the same thing. Companies are too scared to try something new on a fresh IP. They’re too afraid for it to fail so they just keep remaking shit because it’s got an established brand attached to it.
@@danialyousaf6456 is this not copium? The new jedi game has been getting flak for being a poor release but was like number 1 in sales before release? Actually redfall was like number 3 before release no?
@TheStrangah 96 so true, and most of the reboots or expansions on already established IP's are almost always shit. I'm actually really worried the new Indiana Jones movies coming and and the rumored TV show
I bought a PS for RE2. I bought a Dreamcast for RE:CV. I bought GameCube for RE:4. I bought a X360 for RE:5. This is one franchise alone that, due to initial exclusive releases, got me to jump across system silos. As a consumer, I'm thrilled most companies these days release cross platform but on the other hand, I'll always buy/play Nintendo even on weaker consoles bc their exclusives are second to none.
As a person in the games industry, im pretty sure mock reviews arent done just via internal teams. Mock reviews are showing the gaming media before hand with a super big NDA, and then asking them, "what do you think? what would you review this as?"
You can tell even Arkane didnt enjoy making RedFall. When Arkane wants to make a game, you can usually feel it when playing. When they pour their heart into their product, shit slaps and so to see them not even animate cutscenes or even get above 60 frames on release - you can just tell it was to please higher ups or something I guess
Again, why the hell do you all care so much about hitting 60? 30 is still fine.
@@InFiNiTeO7 dude its 2023, the standard these days is 60fps exactly because our devices can run things at that frame rate. Yes 30 is fine, but not for a 70 dollar "AAA" title lol. Even my computer, which at this point is 2 gens old, runs pretty much everything at above 100fps.
For the expected price if you're seriously trying to defend such a poor product then you clearly also out of touch. That would be like buying a "sports car" only to find out it actually performs more like your grandma's family car from the 80s
@@InFiNiTeO7 People dump thousands into gaming rigs that should very easily hit 60.
@@InFiNiTeO7 this is a terrible take. Yes, I'll buy my 120hz TV and get THIRTY out of a 500 console? Let me guess, you're still playing on an xbox 360? 30fps is far below the standard, the console is far more capable than that. Sounds like you just enjoy getting bent over by companies.
I can only imagine it has something to do with old timer developers leaving to form their own studios as well
I would say for switch, you open the door for the first party, and then the third party is just a nice option, some games are great for a switch experience, and the indie catalogue is constantly getting bigger
Yeah Charlie’s blanket statement about third party Switch games is weird. It is true that you usually buy the Switch for the first parties, but it’s not like every single third party game on the Switch is terrible. I’ve had an awesome time playing third party games there that aren’t just small, simple ones
I agree, one of the main reasons I bought the Switch at launch was the promise of getting portable versions of great last-gen games like Borderlands, Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, etc. And for the most part those ports are excellent on the Switch
I don't want a PC yet, I like being what I'll call a "Switch Caveman" cause it let's me play games where I want without buying a whole steam deck. I can play fighterz right now instead of having to buy a whole setup just to have mods
NS aka Nintendo Switch doesn't get enough respect.
Reminder that Kenshi was developed by one dude with nothing but community feedback as a guide.
Its one of the most content rich games ive ever played.
A rare humble move from an American CEO
Not just American CEOs are trash but I get your point
@Don't Read My Profile Picture ok i wont
The word "American" is irrelevant..
well, he's the ceo of a American company, but, he's english
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.0shut up scammer
I could care less if a developer worked hard on something. At the end of the day I’m a consumer and I demand a game that’s well done and fun 🤷♀️
great take
People seem to forget that the person buying the game has also worked hard to acquire 70 dollars so I don't see the argument there
Yeah people don't understand that constructive criticism is a thing and is very important And integral to the creative process.
True, thats why when a homeless kid sold me a snack in the streets I shit on him since that shit was completely dusty, that little piece of shit want it to scam me, I almost threw myself at him to break his neck
@@Theblecquetzal and that constructive criticism doesn’t mean light criticism it means criticism backed up by facts
The Series S has one strong selling point that MS has not tried to capitalize on at all. Last year it was going on sale for $200 or less, I think even $150 for refurbs at one point, which in the current console and PC market is very cheap. Add in game pass, even at full price, and you have a gaming machine and access to most big new releases for half the price of a PS5, and significantly less than a gaming PC. For gamers on a budget, or younger people, the value proposition there is huge. Next holiday they should do a Series S and 6-12 month game pass bundle for $250, actually advertise it, and see how that does.
Gamepass and affordablity is xbox's selling point - once they get Bethesda and some studios to work on games and make them good (idk how they botched redfall but I was never excited for it) either way I play Xbox and PC and finally just got my friends to get gamepass - which opened up our catalogue so much
xbox is the best family and new player console imo, like you said its cheap, and gamepass broadens the horizon for everyone, your friend got a xbox but no games and you still want to play with them? gamepass. your a parent getting your kid a christmas present but torn on getting him a game thats 60 bucks? gamepass. it is imo the best casual gamer experience
@@Snippyyy it’s a bait and switch the price will eventually start to go up
GameStop did bundles like that for 2021 holidays if I remember right which made everyone come in for Xbox, especially since there were still reports of faulty PS5s plus the shortages that were occuring. With most folks moving to digital and the Series S being kept in stock, it was a really good sale along side the Switch bundles that were occuring around the same time. Yes, when PlayStations were in stock, they got gobbled up because PlayStation fans still wanted their shiny new gen console, but it was neck-and-neck between the three that holiday season (was working like 30 hours a week for the company around that time and the Thanksgiving Day/Black Friday sale day was utter insanity). If GameStop had kept up the Xbox bundle, absolutely more Xbox consoles will sale because focus now has shifted back to Nintendo and PlayStation (mostly PlayStation because most folks who want a Switch have one now).
This is genuinely interesting cus everyone sees the affordability as a benefit. But people don't take into consideration the amount of money that takes to makes games and the amount of money that Microsoft has to be haemorrhaging to keep up game pass. We're talking about multiple triple a games coming day one for 10$ a month. The numbers just don't add up, not to mention that the 60 (now 70) dollar game model isn't viable, why do you think that even single player games have microtrasactions? Because the money doesn't come from the game, it comes from whales that spend their cash in those micro transactions. Although it's definitely not 1 to 1 the cost of older videogames was way bigger than today's cost (accounting for inflation) and I'm not talking Ukrainian COVID inflation I'm talking 20-30ywar long inflation. I fell like the industry is in a bubble where either every game goes live service or online because those are subscription models not a one time buy.
There actually is a dog that can juggle
gonna be honest, I've never seen somebody say I'm being "evil" or something like that for not liking a video game. people I meet just respect other opinions, but it seems I'm just lucky to meet people like that.
You dont use twitter
Say something even slightly bad about any sony exclusive and these cucks will want to expunge you from existence
It's probably like how you never actually see people say "You ruined my childhood."
@@Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz I have Twitter, but I use it like once every 3 months
@@NotJpTem lol, his point exactly
you forgot to mention that when boiling an egg you have to boil it for 5 minutes for a runny yolk, 8 minutes for a half-boiled yolk and 10 minutes for a fully boiled yolk. And don't forget to put your egg in ice water immediately after taking it out.
You don't know that you couldn't have finished the video in 1 min
Thanks
Depends on elevation for boil times
@@XIN3OHd only if u live on mt Everest lol wtf
6:30 is the best amount of time I found for my preferred consistency.
I just hope we get to a point in the entertainment industry where people actually care about making quality product again
I mean, plenty of people do publish games for the sake of art, they just don't usually have the massive drama and money associated with them to warner mass (like, in the few millions) interest.
Not happening. Shitty companies like EA and Activision still make billions yearly from their bad games, it's not changing anytime soon. All we can rely on are the occasional bangers
Don't count on it
Charlie played full price for it like an idiot knowing Dam n well it could be tried for free on gamepass
He directly supports this awful system by buying all these games full price, youtubers are a bit part of the problem with sponsorships and being slimy shills, Charlie also did this in shilling Battlefield 2042
"Put your money where your mouth is " that's what a lot of these hypocrite gamers and youtubers NEED to do, otherwise its.just going to keep going and probably get worse
I wish that too, but unfortunately, either two things are happening:
1. The people who complain about this sort of stuff online are a very vocal minority and the majority don't care much about having these standards. And that's not me shitting on people with those standards. You can spend your money however you want. If this is the case, then we're going to have to accept the fact that we're in the minority and reallocate our funds elsewhere. Instead of putting energy into begging these corporations to do better, how about we just support the few devs that are actually interested in releasing a higher quality product? Because there are a few out there.
2. The people who are irritated with the current state of the industry ARE the majority, but they have a discipline issue. I say they have a discipline issue because despite us complaining for years, these companies still make money. These companies don't listen to your complaints. They see what you spend your money on. At the end of the day, SOMEBODY is still buying this shit. Assuming the majority of gamers are actually discontent, then the easiest solution is to, again, reallocate your funds elsewhere. Seriously, if you actually pay attention to where funds are going and stop begging these companies to do better, everything will solve itself.
@@electronix6898 so in other words, they are just impulse fools and we are insane lunatics doing the same thing over and over again
well said m8
Games like this are the reason I almost never pre-order games.
Yup, that and there's usually no real reason to preorder anymore since most games are digital copies
No Man's Sky broke me of pre-ordering games, even though I've been pre-ordering since original XBox.
Drop the almost.
@@AngryBoozer games with a good beta are my weakness
@@davidr5087 same, but atleast there's something to indicate a game is actually being made and CAN be good.
Critising something is not a bad thing. Constructive criticism is needed for artists/writers/developers so they learn how to improve. I work as a multimedia designer and critical feedback has helped me way more than just praise.
Someone has to tell Reddit, I refuse to do it
@@winlover37 Weird take when there are communities there that do just that and this is a problem everywhere, including IRL
@@sourgreendolly7685 They keep busy flaming criticizers, the ones that do exist there
This is literally my biggest pet peeve of all time, it actually drives me insane. Especially the pokemon fanbase, you're literally not allowed to criticize even 1 aspect of their 0/10 dumpster fire games. I am an insanely huge pokemon fan. You as a fan of something SHOULD criticize something you are a fan of when it sucks ass, if you just fully blindly support everything and pretend it's flawless and buy it every time anyway they will never need to improve it and you will continue to get unfinished garbage.
I still remember the Sword/Shield situation. The developers themselves blatantly lied to fans about the "less Pokémon for more quality", but what did we get? A subpar titles that doesn't live up for a 'home console quality' game.
Also speaking to a huge fan, what do you think of Scarlet/Violet now? Are they now stable enough to play? Looking for some games while waiting for Tears of the Kingdom lol
Because your opinion is as bad as theirs. 0/10? Why do you have to go the extremes to describe it? It only serves to hurt your credibility. The game performs like ass and has shit graphics but mostly everything else is a new standard for Pokémon in SV, and that’s a lot of things, that are good.
@@rifatbobos The saddest part is the weathiest media company on the entire planet consistently gets outperformed by 1 guy making a romhack for free. Idk how that's even possible but it happens so often with pokemon to the point where my top 3 pokemon games aren't even official ones anymore.
@@rifatbobos Nah, Scarlet/Violet are almost as bad. The Pokemon are well-rendered and textured, but the environments look like they belong to an old Wii game. You can’t enter houses anymore, mostly because the game’s gone fully open world. The story is well written, and the NPCs are a lot livelier, but I found it pretty disappointing regardless. They also pulled the same limited Dex and DLC nonsense. Multiplayer is glitchy as hell. The new Legendaries in the DLC look stupid, almost giving Calyrex a run for his money- the one from Terapagos looks like someone bedazzled the shell of a Tirtouga, because apparently disco balls count as legendary Pokemon these days. The only positives I can think of are some of the characters, the Path of Legends and Starfall Street storylines, and the fact that you get a motorcycle lizard doggo. There’s also very little in the way of a postgame. Save your money, dude. Pokemon ain’t worth it anymore unless you buy it used.
Absolutely agreed. Another trend I hate is people treating devs like they're this angelic figure incapable of doing any wrong so you can NEVER blame what's wrong with a game on the devs, it's always the pubs, the schedule, the hardware, etc etc, but devs are untouchable, that's just bull tbh
But the truth is that for a studio of whatever size theres only a few people who have decision making power. You got your director and productor and then the respective department leads. So maybe on a 100 people studio theres just 5-6 people making calls
it basically is never their fault unless we're talking indie games, devs do what they are told to do by management/leadership. some companies have the devs making creative decisions and it's then fair to blame the devs for fucking up q gameplay mechanic, shitty graphics, etc. but any major decisions in a AAA game are not made by the devs
As someone in the industry with a AAA studio, I wont add more than what the others said. They are absolutely right. Not to mention there is underlying office politics and tenur for certain studios dealing with publishers.
For indie, dev's decisions and participation is much higher. For AAA, you are literally a number and disposable.
I mean, are you gonna look at the people crunched to shit, sleeping under their desks to deliver a game and go "It's YOUR fault!". Didn't think so.
Replace devs with companies. They don't want your shit. The only time your argument is valid is when the team is smaller
its like alot of anime fans "oh why dont you want to watch _______ just why is it not good enough for you is it so trash why"
10:58 While we can be a fan of sony, nintendo and xbox (I'm one of those), I think most people cannot afford multiple systems and I think that is what it is going to boil down to. When they have to decide which system to buy, they will have to choose a side.
@Solo_Round I agree. I wasnt even thinking about how friends friends having a certain system would also influence the decision, and time too. As a gamer when any of my casual friends ask which console is better to buy, I also say PS even though I do like all of them. It just has the best exclusive games currently. Even though Gamepass is very good, my casual friends would be shocked at the idea of a subscription to play games.
in 2019 Dunkey put it best, 'the system you get because your friends have Xbox'
I'm so done celebrating the bare minimum. I will save my praise for truly great games.
I agree with you for the most part, but the other big selling point for the switch is its portability. It's a console AND handheld, which other devices(other than steam deck) do not provide.
This type of quality and genre deserves to be free to play not $70
Tf does the genre have to do with anything? You want someone to go back in time and tell people who made castlevania for free? Are you dumb?
I DONT SPEAK ENGLISH 😳
That comment phil made about “out consoling” sony and nintendo is not giving in. Remember, microsoft is a software company not a hardware company, thats why they push gamepass on all devices, that’s why they want all the big game companies. Their only goal is to make gamepass insanely valuable on every device available.
heres the thing though, this isnt the first time he has come out and been like " guys, we messed up, and we know we need to do better" . Its just the first time hes been brutally honest and spilled that much tea.
Did the x-box 1 fail as an entertainment hub? I genuinely used it as my only source of tv entertainment
You know it’s bad when people think reviewing anything is a crime
It's because everyone is becoming soft and brainwashed. You can't say what you think because you'll "offend" somebody or get attacked or cancelled over it.
I think Phil has a great point about the digital games library, I've been with them since the X360 and I would never switch to the Playstation due to my huge library of games most of which are backwards compatible. I understand his point that those who already have their game library don't think about changing consoles, especially those who value their money. If I were starting from scratch, I would certainly change, but that's not the case.
So you picked the wrong console and now your stuck w it. Sucks.
People can just keep the xbox console and switch to predominantly playing on playstation. With the massive sales increase for PS5 and dwindling sales of Xbox, it's clear people don't care about staying with just Xbox. If Microsoft doesn't start to make consistently good first party games then they are screwed. American corporation choose greed and selfish goals over quality while Japanese companies and game makers tend to value quality much more by the looks of it.
@@jdailey01230 wrong console? I really don't get it, we don't have exclusives but I really didn't get the Xbox for the exclusives. I got it for all the games and freinds I have that are on it so what is wrong about me enjoying it. The only interesting exclusive to me on PlayStation is bloodbourne anyway and I already have a PS4 😕
@Gus272[GD] I don't play games anymore, and I always had a Playstation, but I think it was a joke.
Growing up my only other friend with a console had Xbox so we always talked shit but it was just us having fun.
The only reason I'll never buy an Xbox is because I can't stand the size of the controller, and I'm 6'2 with large hands (I can palm a basketball for perspective)
@@TimothyMcVeigh-gc1sy the controller definitely help keep me around lol, but yeah completely understandable. Idk why people are so keen to just fight over what is better cause in the end its really not that serious, just like what you like man. Get out of here with the superiority complex
The creativity of these intros is what solidifies Charlie into the hall of fame of youtubers
"No one likes wasting money"
I don't know about that one Charlie, the entire Federal government might beg to differ.
This is what happens when you let a guy with 2 first names run a company
Phil Spencer or Todd Howard?
I was one of those people who didn’t understand why the game was getting so much flak, but then I remembered that not everyone got it for free on Xbox gamepass. Me n my buddies have been having a blast playing it, it kinda feels like watching a movie that’s so bad it’s good. But anyone who preordered, or payed actual money for it got completely ripped off.
I felt the same way. I had to remind myself that I'm not losing anything by playing it for 3 hours and not touching it again
ive been playing with my friends on GP too and the game is complete trash lol, soulless, bland open world, blander enemies, the animations are ass, uninspired game and gun design, half baked cutscenes, just a huge pile of garbage on every single aspect of the game. That's not even mentioning the performance issues or bugs and glitches. I can see the potential, but it was wasted on terrible business.
You still pay for game pass accepting poop should never be ok
Well, even on gamepass it isn't exactly "free" either... once you stop paying for gamepass, you cannot play it anymore.
However, the difference there is that gamepass had now a long time to build a solid library of other games... so when a shitty game gets released on it, it's not the end of the world (you didn't pay 70 dollars just to get a turd of a game) because you can just play any of the other hundreds of games on it, a good chunk of them are really good too.
@@shrewtracks8108 yeah you still pay but you have access to other things that aren't poop unlike straight up paying for this game for $70
XBox has some really great titles that deserve recognition, but they're all titles that are made by small or indie studios that fly under the radar for a lot of people because they aren't coming from AAA studios or are releasing as digital-only titles.
I appreciate Xbox more for games in game pass, the controller feels better, and My friends can’t get Pcs. UI seems better than PlayStation for what I remember too
@@129spitfire The controller is more comfortable bu I'd say the UI for the PS5 is better. It doesn's have any of that Windows crap at least.
no way Xbox quick resume is goated 🤷♂️