6. Your Battery According to Tesla - Phantom Drain
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2021
- "Your Battery According to Tesla" Series:
-Introduction to Series:
• Your Battery According...
-What Range Really Means:
• 1. What Range Really M...
-Battery Range Fluctuations & Degradation:
• 2. Tesla Battery Range...
-How to Get the Best Range:
• 3. How to get the Best...
-Tesla Best Charging Habits:
• 4. Tesla Best Charging...
-How Your Tesla Charges:
• 5. How Your Tesla Charges
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Not "phantom drain" if you have features selected and running. Whether you're in the vehicle or away, it's silly to believe those running features don't require electricity to run
Great series of videos.
Too many people don't read owners manuals and really don't understand the products they buy.
I predict Tesla will add an "Airport Mode" in a future software update which IMHO optimizes battery drain for essential/critical features and less/none/regulated for non essential ones.
Love your videos. They are very informative and everything is so well explained. Thank you for taking the time to make these videos and keep it up!
Useful information to have. Thanks for compiling this for us.
Very informative. Thank you!!
Excellent series!
Dang, I’d forgotten about that toggle in Autopilot for Summon - I never use it, so it’s off now - many thanks for this series!
Super informative great video
Excellent series for newbies.
Really is!
Thank you for your help in advance 🙏🏽
"So as to avoid mis-information, I'm only going to use information directly from Tesla"
*immediately goes to Wikipedia*
In all seriousness these videos are incredible, excellent work defining a topic, and explaining in ways anyone from any level of understanding can comprehend. Loving your content 👏
Great videos FTG
I quite like your videos. They are very informative. Keep up the good work. One day will buy a Tesla!
Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it.
I just purchased a Tesla Model 3. Right now it is Winter and in the 30's. My Tesla was charged to about 179 miles. I decided to change it to a lower charge amount. The next day I noticed that the charge was 136 miles, yet I hadn't driven it at all in the meantime. It was only a few hours and the car was plugged in the entire time. I thought that any drain on the system would come from the electrical connection. It seems that it used the battery charge and depleted it to my new charge level before going to the electrical connection. I'm disappointed in the loss of mileage in one day. I am really interested in your series on Tesla Battery's. Currently my settings are those made by the previous owner and the car dealer I bought it from. Most were about the same as your suggestions. Thanks and great job on the videos.
Thank you
Thanks for the extremely informative video series regarding this sensitive subject. My Tesla dealer has always told me to switch to percentage instead of range as they say its more accurate of a representation. I do however think its a good way to mask the actual degradation over time as your battery will always show 100 percent after a full charge yes ? Or does the percentage charge also show degradation by comparison with an onboard charge level index from brand new ? The only way to really measure the health of a battery is to fully charge it and then discharge it over a calibrated load and measure the time it takes to discharge (proper capacity test). Im not sure if there is indeed a way to carry out something like that which could perhaps indicate a higher than normal degradation ?
Love your videos! Curious if there is a difference in phantom drain between vehicle equipped with lead acid 12v battery and one equipped with 12v lithium battery.
Great stuff! Any, tips for parking at airport to reduce battery drain? Summer in Philly, leaving car unplugged for 4 days. Model Y Std range. Thanks!
Subsystems on the vehicle or any EV vehicle will have to keep the car optimized. This requires energy period. Ideally, you would leave the vehicle plugged in, but that is not always possible.
Interesting information. Does your personal experience concur with that? During the sommer months I tend to have phantom drain as low as 2% per week, while right now in the cold I have 2% per day, which is a real problem if you don't have a charging option at home...
Cannot help to think of a percentage of Tesla owners that never go beyond climate controls/lights/audio/nav use features!! This video goes into Nerdidian territory! Is this level of complexity a plus or minus factor when deciding on an Tesla or another brand? After 7 years of operating a rather simple 2011 Nissan Leaf, I am hesitant to enter this complex computer/software rich full environment of a Tesla EV as most, if not all extra features will go unused. Thanks for the video.
I have a bit more “phantom loss” than that - typically 4-5% per day on my model s 75d. I also have an interesting phenomenon where I plug in ~ 7PM and with my typical driving I am typically done charging before I go to bed around 11. I then lose 2% of range between 11pm and 8am even while I am still plugged in. I don’t use sentry mode or constant climate. I have also lost ~ 20-25 miles total range - 259 down to ~ 236. Concerned
I leave for work with 80 percent, I get to work with 68, I leave to go home with 60 ( loose 8 percent) i get home with 47 percent (ish) . I park for an hour and my battery is back up to 51 percent. Century off at work, sunshade in front window still cool out and not above 15c...weird stuff, any suggestions or comments. Love your shows! Cheers from bc canada
Same here. LR RWD from Spain (mild climate). Normally it goes up as much as that 4% when arrive home. Sometimes it loses percentage. I don't know why but it started to do that like an year ago. I only can think that the car is pessimistic and took some % to be conservative with the energy you have to go back home. Later the BMS recalculates it. Just my thoughts.
Wow that’s interesting, do you maybe happen to have the cabin overheat protection on or any 3rd party apps like teslafi or tezlab? Also I recommend not charging for a few days to get below 20%, letting the car sit idle for at least an hour at hone without being plugged in, and then charging to 90% to maybe recalibrate the battery.
The calibration tip came to me straight from Tesla customer support so hopefully that can help.
God bless
Also, turning off summon saved me a ton of battery!
Great video. Thank you. New model Y owner - I have sentry mode on, but I believe that is about it - no climate, etc. temps I. The 80-90 range. Over a 9 hour period of the car parked at work, I had a 30 mile drain. Curious if this is normal if sentry is active. I am surprised by the 10% loss over 9 hours.
Same here. Going to park at the airport soon, so left my car out unplugged last night with 161 miles left. Didn't turn anything off and awoke to 145 miles. Will use these tips and experiment again tonight. That's too much drain.
Same thing happened to me. Left it parked outside for 4 days (normally garage parked) and it lost about 40-50 miles of range.
As a former metrologist, we called it parasitic current draw or drain. Even when you have an appliance plugged into a wall outlet and turned off, there is some (very little) current leakage at the plug or perhaps inside the device. No insulator is perfect. The new things that have remote controls leak a lot as they are in standby all the time. Teslas leak power like all electric devices.
Another get video 👍
How would the advice in all the "Your Battery" series change for the newer LFP battery? For example, I have heard it is fine to continually charge up to 100%. Your thoughts please? And thanks for the series - very helpful.
Sorry, I wish I had an answer for you. I would have to do a little more research on that.
Nice video! Ask people to comment to grow on YT, you deserve it; the like button is only a small part of interactions which push a video :-)
Hello FTG!
Shall I take my TESLA in for service at the recommended intervals, OR shall I do so only when I received an “Alert!” on my dash display that tells me service is required? I ask because I don’t know what a specific symptom (I.e. squeaky noise, frunk won’t open, foul smell from heat/ac vents, etc.) means or the technical jargon In terms of service needs. Is there a TESLA Service Guide for “Dummies” that could help me to better articulate to TESLA Service Center Technicians? 🤓📕🧐
Tesla needs a power saving mode
Hi
I enjoy watching your videos great info but I have a simple question May be you can help me if I only drive the car only 20 % or 10 % is it recommended to charge everyday or wait until it it drops down to 50 % ?
I normally charge to 90%
I have a complete series on the battery. Here is the one that gives full details on your question. ua-cam.com/video/TOxTDew6kvo/v-deo.html
@@FrugalTeslaGuy thank you
Is it ok to watch this if I don't own a tesla?
Video begins at 1:00
Took my 2016 model X in for service on the computer they did make the repairs which was under warranty and when I got my car back I had lost about 45 miles on a charge. They claim nothing was wrong this is usual so they say they won’t even respond to me no longer I would like to hear back from Tesla
5:42 - I love my dogs but I'd never let them in my Model 3. I cringed when they climbed over from the back. Trust them near the touchscreen? Absolutely not
Very interesting. I can’t believe there isn’t a way to prevent the 1% daily drain while at the airport. It would be nice if they had a feature where you could fully turn the car off to prevent that drain.
I don’t have a Tesla yet (waiting on the CyberTruck) but I do have an EV and when I power it off it’s off. I went on a 2 week vacation and left my EV at home and it lost no range or battery percentage.
Interesting. My only guess is that Tesla has a sophisticated battery management system and it probably needs to “wake up” from time to time for diagnostics.
Even if you completely disconnected the HV battery and disabled the car by pulling the contact out under the rear passenger side seat it would still discharge over time. All lithium-ion batteries do this over time naturally (called self discharge), actually all types of battery do; Ni-Cd, NiMH, lead-acid, etc. Even off the shelf alkaline batteries self discharge which is why they have expiration dates printed on them. Some take longer than others but it is an unavoidable process when storing energy. Even things that are stretching the definition of "battery" like flywheels or pumped hydroelectric. Basically there is no escape from the second law of thermodynamics.
@@D3kKromb0x sure, all batteries will loose power over time, but not 1% a day. That’s not the reason that Tesla’s loose so much energy so quickly.
@@FrugalTeslaGuy I think it has to do with all the advanced features, such as being about to use your phone as a key and the cell modem updating statuses often. And for day to day that’s fine, but it would be nice if there was an easy way to shut that all down when you are traveling. Maybe in the future as more and more people buy Tesla’s.
@@ericroe Correct, from what I can see in studies around the net the self discharge of lithium-ion is usually around 2-3% per month. Although some sources say up to 5% in the first 24 hours and then 2-3% per month after that, but that probably depends on the exact chemistry and state of charge (and of course temperature).
The reason Tesla's consume 1% per day is likely from the BMS maintaining the pack balance and or other health related issues like cell temperature, and periodically topping off the 12v battery which in turn keeps the cellular connection, bluetooth and NFC running (something always has to be powered for the key cards/phone key/app/etc to work).
You still rockin the level 1 charger huh?
That was for editing purposes. My wife has a Volt and we share a level two third party charger. I use the adapter. Good eye!
@@FrugalTeslaGuy I tend to switch them up too I have a model three and a Kia Niro and a plug-in minivan and I use the Tesla level two with an adapter for the van and Kia. Thank you for what you do and the entertainment👍👍
I just got my car and I drains 50% overnight and I’m very disappointed
It is Not phantom drain! it is REAL self discharge, maintenance discharge, sleep but wait for command discharge,.
I agree. I even addressed this in the video. But most people know it as phantom drain.
There's no such thing a "phantom drain" in a Tesla. There's only drain.
The car only draw what it needs to work! A Tesla is not your good old car which shut completely off when you took out the key; it has a computer and cellular and wifi electronics that is kept running. And those things need electrisity. And that will eventually drain the battery if left alone long enough. Nothing Phantom about it.