On my lastest matco flier I got last week, on the very back there is an ad for the hyper step drill bits. On the bottom right it says "see it in action! Koon truckings youtube channel." Thought that was pretty cool.
I don't know why I love this channel so much, I live in England so more than likely can't get half the tools you show, and I do plumbing and heating so don't need more than half the tools you show😂 but my god I'm hooked
Thanks for making this video! Here’s some additional info you and viewers may find useful: The reason for the length difference is the cobalt set is “mechanics length”, whereas the HSS set is “jobber length”; ie standard length. Mechanics length definition from Albany Fasteners website: “A mechanics length drill bit is simply a bit with a shorter flute length and shorter overall length than a standard jobber bit. This shortening of the bit makes it considerably stronger and less prone to breakage and shearing, making it suitable for harder drilling.” Also, both HSS and Cobalt drill bits have some cobalt in them, as cobalt bits are a variation of HSS with significantly more cobalt by percentage. Here’s a decent explanation of each from Wikipedia: - High-speed steel (HSS) is a form of tool steel; HSS bits are hard and much more resistant to heat than high-carbon steel. They can be used to drill metal, hardwood, and most other materials at greater cutting speeds than carbon-steel bits, and have largely replaced carbon steels. - Cobalt steel alloys are variations on high-speed steel that contain more cobalt. They hold their hardness at much higher temperatures and are used to drill stainless steel and other hard materials. The main disadvantage of cobalt steels is that they are more brittle than standard HSS.
Matco probably shortened the bit shank due to the fact Cobalt m42 is far more brittle than other HSS bits, not as much as carbide, but more than HSS. When hand drilling, you're going to have uneven tool pressure, greatly increasing the risk of the bit breaking on the shank, again more so if the shank is longer.
Holy Shit @ 28:30.....cobalt did a lil bit more than what I expected.... I'm a firm user of the the Hyper Step every single day .... I've only had to warranty 1 out and it was only because I did not clean it going from aluminium to cold rolled... I can see where the cobalts would be for a more precise hole and I think at a slower speed they will cut way better.. good work guys
Great informative video I’m on the fence with these two sets I thank you guys for the video cuz I know any time you pull out a drill it usually isn’t fun and you two did a real dreadful test good to see you guys in same video love those, great job thanks again fellas
Guys I love how you demo tools and your points of view from this video are awesome pound for pound you explain everything again awesome always the highlight of my week 😁
So, I had to pause at 2:15. Just to throw some thoughts out there from what I know. I can't say what percentage of cobalt the new bits are (5% ,8%, or 9%). But the main factor for cobalt bits is their ability to hold an edge...their hardness, which is why most cobalt bits are 135 degree twist drills vs 118. The only problem I have ever found is that the material (by its own design), is brittle. I love cobalt bits, but damn if they don't love to break
Great video! If folks want to complain about the cost of these Matco bits, there are other manufacturers out there that are more pricey (mainly used by machine shops). One of the most expensive drills bits I have comes across are made by Walter Titex. The bits I normally use are Norseman bits and have served me well. I have heard Chicago-Latrobe and Cleveland makes some good metal drill bits as well. There are other manufacturers out there and any die-hard machinist could talk your ear off about them. Thanks again for a great video.
Another good vid Clay! Gonna buy the cobalt ones as soon as l have the money. l noticed now that not only do you have one of those AWESOME lookin hats but so does your partner. Where's mine? lol.
The most likely reason the cobalt is shorter: cobalt is brittle. I believe they kept them shorter to minimize snapping. As far the test, I’m happy with your test. I agree many people would use them exactly the same way you did. Thank you for an excellent video.
Good video. Need to try these style bits in machine shop work. Use 1/4 to about 3/4 very few hand drilling mostly lathe, mill and drill press. Need look at the mac to see if they are really that much better, i don't think so.
Hi Mr. Clay & Mr. Jay, The only thing I see you did wrong was not to fix up a platform so the sheriff could be more "in line with his work"😉 Again another great informative video, now let's see if Mr. Hamilton will warranty that wrench🔧 God Bless and stay safe everybody ❗
@@robertturner8625, Mr. Robert not that I know of I worked in a machine shop and our bosses got whomever was lowest in price at the time went through so many I can't remember all the brands.
Professional HSS tooling that has a decent Cobalt content are always going to last longer when used correctly. Obviously full carbide is always king when it come to hight wear resistance.
How do you go about warranty if you dont have a matco truck come to your shop? I would love these and use them everyday but there pricey and i jus dont know how i would have warranty handled
@@KoonTrucking thanks i may jus have to purchase cobalt set. $500 one time in the long run really isnt bad. I can jus replace small bits with normal bits when they go bad and jus use normal bits while waiting for replacement bits
great info brother, now i wounder how they would perform against the HF sets that I use at work on the beds of my trucks and my rails on my pump systems. Never had a problem with those as long as you keep them oiled as you drill. Maybe I will bring my new set when I visit and we can put them to a test. colbalt vs cobalt. I do love Matco stuff though.....
I have the snap on thunder bits and the hyperstep bits will drill a hole through the box they come in, the bits inside, the tool truck shelf they are sitting on and the snap on truck delivering them
It’s about toast now ! That’s two Milwaukee tools I have burnt down doing these torture tests. If you haven’t seen the impact test we shot at J Young’s shop take a look at it! It got smoked too
Will you replace the drill with another Milwaukee M18 or get another brand? I’m looking to upgrade from my M12. Looking at the Snapon 18v that a dealer is looking to sell at cost (tool only). I heard a lot of people like the chucks on the Snapon and DeWalt drills.
Cobalt bits are not tough, they are brittle. They will break if they jam. However, they will drill 5x more holes than Titanium coated ones before needing sharpening
i would assume they are shorter to keep the cost down. if they made a full 29 piece set the same length, you are probably looking at double, and with the quality of the original hyperstep, the cobalts would price themselves out of consideration for most.
Here’s a link to J Young’s channel ua-cam.com/video/U9l9VvbyumY/v-deo.html Check this out, it’s a really cool story and how he got started in his business
They work just as good. If we would have used a small size then everyone would have said too easy need to use larger. Larger sizes don’t usually cut as good so that’s why we did it that way
@@billlee1724 economical way to do it would be brazed carbide tipped drills. But with guys trying to drill like that your break one off in a hole and be in a real problem,.
Fellas, good content. Here’s some info from someone who considers himself fairly knowledgeable on metallurgy and someone who has purchased several Co-Hyperstep bits individually and has the 29ps hyper step set. The difference in materials is massive. Also, the “cobalt” bits are a steel alloy with either 5% or 8% cobalt. The standard hyper step bits are high speed steel. When working with mild steel or softer metals, the only noticeable difference is durability. The harder cobalt bits will stay sharper longer. When drilling hardened steel like that wrist pin, the difference is shocking. New vs new the cobalt bit will outperform the standard HSS bits by orders of magnitude. The 29pc cobalt set is available. I like the shorter length bc I’m an automotive tech, I often have to use a 90* drill in tight spots. The cobalt bits are very spendy but a fantastic product.
So far, the highest quality bits I’ve ever used are the snap-on short length left-hand twist 8% cobalt bits. They are the only bit that will bail me out when I have a broken tap or extractor stuck in a hole.
@@KoonTrucking No worries, we've been around for a while. We are a small family owned business so I can understand you have never heard of us, but now you have :)
This man's calling out Matco for a title contention, let the two slug it out. I had never heard of kncut either until someone in tooladdicts on a FB group asked what were some of the best bits to buy. Question for KNcut, will you warranty your bits for life like the Matco,Cornwell,Mac and replace for free If they are just worn down and not from breakage or a defect? I see many guys say those 3 companies have replaced the whole set 2,3,4,5 times without question,and I know whole sets are not defective and are being replaced if worn down or dull in many cases.
The Cobalt clearly cuts Hardened Steel much better. That's what Cobalt is designed created for. It's Science. Go to a Home Depot and look at Milwaukee packaging of Black Oxide, Titanium, and Cobalt and you;'ll read the recommended uses. Listen to your drill, less stress, and if you had put a temp gun on them, less temp. Cobalt has been around for awhile. Going into electrical panels there's no competition. Of course, on cast Iron such as the head, there is little difference. In respect to hardness - i.e. Titanium being harder actually doesn;t matter or help. Titanium bits do not cut through hardened steel nearly as well,. The previous use of the existing Hyperstep creates very little variance.
I really hope the hamiltones one hell of a Snap-On man and watch her a place that rents you just drilled through that shouldn't be covered under warranty
Only good thing about the MAC is every one of them are lifetime.... I have the MaC, snap on and Hyper steps....hyper steps are way way quicker and the Mac bits are good but not as quick but the Mac buts are way better than snap on there junk... but it's all preference.... I'll bring the mac set up with me if the virus ever trickles and I'll let you check them out clay there OK bits but not as fast as hyper steps
Ok you drill thru some soft metal. Try drill thru a high speed drill bit. If you can do that I be impressed. If you cant order a Carbide drill bit from mscdirect.com and try it Remember its carbide cannot move it from side to side they are brittle. You will be impressed trust me. Try a 2 stright flute or spiral flute. This will drill thru a tap, high speed drill bit. This company sells mostly to machine shop. They do have some good deals on tools also.
Just found out from Matco that all the boys ABOVE 1/4” is lifetime warranty and 1/4” and down are NOT lifetime warranty
I thought they were all lifetime, which would be a step above most i believe. They didnt walk at all and thats impressive.
I would like to see you drill thru a HF wrench to see how hard that metal is compared to the Snap-on.
On my lastest matco flier I got last week, on the very back there is an ad for the hyper step drill bits. On the bottom right it says "see it in action! Koon truckings youtube channel." Thought that was pretty cool.
I don't know why I love this channel so much, I live in England so more than likely can't get half the tools you show, and I do plumbing and heating so don't need more than half the tools you show😂 but my god I'm hooked
Haha well thank you for watching ! I’m glad you enjoy it.
I’m in Scotland 🏴 we hate the English 😂
Jokes of course 🤣
Haha, don't know which is worse. You or the Welsh 😂
Something to do with 1966 can’t remember what it was 😂
PS we hate u more than the welsh 🤣🤣
😂😂
I ended up getting the new stubby Cobalt 29 piece hyper steps to add on to the regular hyper steps I already have. They are sweet!
The best drill bits I have ever purchased I use them about every day I purchased the 29 piece set.
Thanks for making this video! Here’s some additional info you and viewers may find useful:
The reason for the length difference is the cobalt set is “mechanics length”, whereas the HSS set is “jobber length”; ie standard length.
Mechanics length definition from Albany Fasteners website:
“A mechanics length drill bit is simply a bit with a shorter flute length and shorter overall length than a standard jobber bit. This shortening of the bit makes it considerably stronger and less prone to breakage and shearing, making it suitable for harder drilling.”
Also, both HSS and Cobalt drill bits have some cobalt in them, as cobalt bits are a variation of HSS with significantly more cobalt by percentage.
Here’s a decent explanation of each from Wikipedia:
- High-speed steel (HSS) is a form of tool steel; HSS bits are hard and much more resistant to heat than high-carbon steel. They can be used to drill metal, hardwood, and most other materials at greater cutting speeds than carbon-steel bits, and have largely replaced carbon steels.
- Cobalt steel alloys are variations on high-speed steel that contain more cobalt. They hold their hardness at much higher temperatures and are used to drill stainless steel and other hard materials. The main disadvantage of cobalt steels is that they are more brittle than standard HSS.
Matco probably shortened the bit shank due to the fact Cobalt m42 is far more brittle than other HSS bits, not as much as carbide, but more than HSS. When hand drilling, you're going to have uneven tool pressure, greatly increasing the risk of the bit breaking on the shank, again more so if the shank is longer.
Need to start checking the audio on your vids before you post can’t hear half the shit you say
Those Hyperstep bits are the business...they're quicker to drill through most metal...don't dull nearly as quickly if at all...love them...
When the 29 piece set comes out, I’m definitely grabbing one,
Holy Shit @ 28:30.....cobalt did a lil bit more than what I expected.... I'm a firm user of the the Hyper Step every single day .... I've only had to warranty 1 out and it was only because I did not clean it going from aluminium to cold rolled... I can see where the cobalts would be for a more precise hole and I think at a slower speed they will cut way better.. good work guys
Great job of comparing the two bit types. Thanks for sharing.
Nice job with the testing fellas!
Well thought out scenarios and unbiased reviews make all the difference.
Great informative video I’m on the fence with these two sets I thank you guys for the video cuz I know any time you pull out a drill it usually isn’t fun and you two did a real dreadful test good to see you guys in same video love those, great job thanks again fellas
Guys I love how you demo tools and your points of view from this video are awesome pound for pound you explain everything again awesome always the highlight of my week 😁
Thank you very much for the compliment and also taking the time to leave a comment.
So, I had to pause at 2:15. Just to throw some thoughts out there from what I know. I can't say what percentage of cobalt the new bits are (5% ,8%, or 9%). But the main factor for cobalt bits is their ability to hold an edge...their hardness, which is why most cobalt bits are 135 degree twist drills vs 118. The only problem I have ever found is that the material (by its own design), is brittle. I love cobalt bits, but damn if they don't love to break
Great and very informative as always clay! I agree it's user preference so buy what you like,both sets seem great with your test,have a good day!
Great video! If folks want to complain about the cost of these Matco bits, there are other manufacturers out there that are more pricey (mainly used by machine shops). One of the most expensive drills bits I have comes across are made by Walter Titex. The bits I normally use are Norseman bits and have served me well. I have heard Chicago-Latrobe and Cleveland makes some good metal drill bits as well. There are other manufacturers out there and any die-hard machinist could talk your ear off about them. Thanks again for a great video.
Thank you guys for making this informative video. I am looking at getting a quality set of bits. This video has really helped me come to a decision.
Another good vid Clay! Gonna buy the cobalt ones as soon as l have the money. l noticed now that not only do you have one of those AWESOME lookin hats but so does your partner. Where's mine? lol.
The most likely reason the cobalt is shorter: cobalt is brittle. I believe they kept them shorter to minimize snapping. As far the test, I’m happy with your test. I agree many people would use them exactly the same way you did. Thank you for an excellent video.
Thanks for taking time to comment and for watching.
Good video. Need to try these style bits in machine shop work. Use 1/4 to about 3/4 very few hand drilling mostly lathe, mill and drill press. Need look at the mac to see if they are really that much better, i don't think so.
Just curious why not use an drill press?
Hi Mr. Clay & Mr. Jay,
The only thing I see you did wrong was not to fix up a platform so the sheriff could be more "in line with his work"😉
Again another great informative video, now let's see if Mr. Hamilton will warranty that wrench🔧
God Bless and stay safe everybody ❗
Have you ever tried Lawson drill bits?
@@robertturner8625, Mr. Robert not that I know of I worked in a machine shop and our bosses got whomever was lowest in price at the time went through so many I can't remember all the brands.
As soon as the larger set of cobalts come out I’ll be getting those . Clearly the cobalt set cuts much better.
Professional HSS tooling that has a decent Cobalt content are always going to last longer when used correctly. Obviously full carbide is always king when it come to hight wear resistance.
I don’t know about them drill bits but that Milwaukee drills pretty bad ass
Nice drill
I hope you guys are having a few beers well playing
How do you go about warranty if you dont have a matco truck come to your shop? I would love these and use them everyday but there pricey and i jus dont know how i would have warranty handled
Contact Matco online and they will send you a replacement
@@KoonTrucking thanks i may jus have to purchase cobalt set. $500 one time in the long run really isnt bad. I can jus replace small bits with normal bits when they go bad and jus use normal bits while waiting for replacement bits
Great video y'all have a great weekend and stay safe 👍
I always use cobalt bits.. Hyperstep or ThunderBiT, what is better?
great info brother, now i wounder how they would perform against the HF sets that I use at work on the beds of my trucks and my rails on my pump systems. Never had a problem with those as long as you keep them oiled as you drill. Maybe I will bring my new set when I visit and we can put them to a test. colbalt vs cobalt. I do love Matco stuff though.....
I’ve been looking for the drill bits that go in the snapon screwgun and can’t find them for the life of me I’d love to get a set
How do you justify the 2 holes on snap on 3/4 in wrench to Hamilton? I 🤣🤣🤣
Haha 🤣
Neck tie
Are the cobalts that much better or are the originals just a bit worn out from use ?
The cobalts definitely stay sharp longer than the original
We are in the construction trade and would be interested to see how they perform on wood c what kind o finish they would leave
Cobalt is not made for wood.
The regular ones 👉
There ol J Young I didnt even kno he was from halls TN till recently. I'm a feller east Tennessean myslef lol
Josh, me too, i'm from Blountville my self. ln Atlanta now but l cant wait to move back, l miss the mountians !
Great vid!!! J Young needs to get back to cranking out vids.... I missing that ole boy!!!
Try presto drill Bits from Sheffield England they are made for the job not tool profits
What are you thoughts between the Snapon Cobalt Thunder Bits? Also do these have the same lifetime warranty like Snap-Ons dom
I have the snap on thunder bits and the hyperstep bits will drill a hole through the box they come in, the bits inside, the tool truck shelf they are sitting on and the snap on truck delivering them
@@KoonTrucking so, way way way way better.
SnapOn will copy what you did to that wrench and call it Flankdrive Plus Hyperdrive and charge &100 more a set for them.
Great video
the bits are hella nice but that drill is a beast.
It’s about toast now ! That’s two Milwaukee tools I have burnt down doing these torture tests. If you haven’t seen the impact test we shot at J Young’s shop take a look at it! It got smoked too
Will you replace the drill with another Milwaukee M18 or get another brand? I’m looking to upgrade from my M12. Looking at the Snapon 18v that a dealer is looking to sell at cost (tool only). I heard a lot of people like the chucks on the Snapon and DeWalt drills.
The HyperStep Drill Bits are very good. If they were one inch longer they would be perfect.
Cobalt bits are not tough, they are brittle. They will break if they jam. However, they will drill 5x more holes than Titanium coated ones before needing sharpening
Great torture test
Cool video it was helpful
Was this video about how strong the snap-on wrench? Great video
All wrenches are hard to drill through even the tiny little ignition wrenches so that’s what it was chosen
i would assume they are shorter to keep the cost down. if they made a full 29 piece set the same length, you are probably looking at double, and with the quality of the original hyperstep, the cobalts would price themselves out of consideration for most.
Someone said it was because they are a lot more brittle and that’s why they are shorter
Sold will be getting some
I'm sticking with my regular hyper step
Here’s a link to J Young’s channel ua-cam.com/video/U9l9VvbyumY/v-deo.html
Check this out, it’s a really cool story and how he got started in his business
I would love to see the smaller sizes, I’m usually drilling out doser bolts on BPVs
They work just as good. If we would have used a small size then everyone would have said too easy need to use larger. Larger sizes don’t usually cut as good so that’s why we did it that way
I hear ya, great video either way
NOOO NOT THE FLANK DRIVE!!! Couldn't you just go to Lowe's and get a Craftsman or go over to Harbor Freight😭
Then everyone would have said why not drill through a snap on wrench ? Haha they supposed to be the strongest right ?
Those look like awesome drill bits but when they get dull is there a way to sharpen them or do you just buy a new bit?
Yeah there isn’t a way to sharpen them so they are done
Great video, great bits, poor wrench.
Matco should have just skipped kobalt and went to carbide, youd be able to drill through almost anything.
Erstwhile the set would cost 2k lol
And it’s too brittle
@@billlee1724 well I mean you defiantly wouldn't be able to rotate it around like this guy was doing while your drilling lol
@@billlee1724 economical way to do it would be brazed carbide tipped drills. But with guys trying to drill like that your break one off in a hole and be in a real problem,.
Carbide is too brittle for hand held tools. Cobalt is good enough.
Fellas, good content. Here’s some info from someone who considers himself fairly knowledgeable on metallurgy and someone who has purchased several Co-Hyperstep bits individually and has the 29ps hyper step set. The difference in materials is massive. Also, the “cobalt” bits are a steel alloy with either 5% or 8% cobalt. The standard hyper step bits are high speed steel. When working with mild steel or softer metals, the only noticeable difference is durability. The harder cobalt bits will stay sharper longer. When drilling hardened steel like that wrist pin, the difference is shocking. New vs new the cobalt bit will outperform the standard HSS bits by orders of magnitude. The 29pc cobalt set is available. I like the shorter length bc I’m an automotive tech, I often have to use a 90* drill in tight spots. The cobalt bits are very spendy but a fantastic product.
So far, the highest quality bits I’ve ever used are the snap-on short length left-hand twist 8% cobalt bits. They are the only bit that will bail me out when I have a broken tap or extractor stuck in a hole.
It won't drill through a lot of new cars frame rails or rocker and pillars for long .
What’s that part number for the new ones sir?
It shows it in the picture in the video
I think you should of used a larger bit for the one that looked like is was dull the test would have been more equal
Wearing out one bit for a test is enough in my opinion it shows how it does and that is what the test is about
MATCO for the win!
Now see if you can warranty the wrench 😂😂
Haha nah It’s all good.
O yeah let’s see what they do
Wish we could have been a part of the competition! ;)
I’ve never heard of your bits ? Sorry
@@KoonTrucking No worries, we've been around for a while. We are a small family owned business so I can understand you have never heard of us, but now you have :)
This man's calling out Matco for a title contention, let the two slug it out. I had never heard of kncut either until someone in tooladdicts on a FB group asked what were some of the best bits to buy. Question for KNcut, will you warranty your bits for life like the Matco,Cornwell,Mac and replace for free If they are just worn down and not from breakage or a defect? I see many guys say those 3 companies have replaced the whole set 2,3,4,5 times without question,and I know whole sets are not defective and are being replaced if worn down or dull in many cases.
Will Hamilton warrenty the wrench?
No wasn’t planning on even asking
The Cobalt clearly cuts Hardened Steel much better. That's what Cobalt is designed created for. It's Science. Go to a Home Depot and look at Milwaukee packaging of Black Oxide, Titanium, and Cobalt and you;'ll read the recommended uses.
Listen to your drill, less stress, and if you had put a temp gun on them, less temp.
Cobalt has been around for awhile. Going into electrical panels there's no competition.
Of course, on cast Iron such as the head, there is little difference.
In respect to hardness - i.e. Titanium being harder actually doesn;t matter or help. Titanium bits do not cut through hardened steel nearly as well,.
The previous use of the existing Hyperstep creates very little variance.
Are Matco sockets made in the US?
The ADV line isn’t that is the cheaper line. I’m not sure about the main line they sell
Enguang Wang Their main line is, at the moment, still USA made. That could change with Matco at any second though.
Yall went to work on this video. I saw some sweat
Try it on boron steel
I really hope the hamiltones one hell of a Snap-On man and watch her a place that rents you just drilled through that shouldn't be covered under warranty
It’s not going to be warrantied out. It is cut up and made into a business card holder now
@@KoonTrucking ok cool new purpose in life for a Snap-on wrench
Not to be negative but you should have used the drill press. Not as may variables. Such as battery drain and pressure on the bit. Great video though.
Most mechanics that will purchase these won’t use a drill press that’s why we did it that way. They will be used in the shop on a drill
Ya was thinking of a fabricator view point. Thanks for responding
MAC tools blows both out of the water
Really ? I would like to see that then
Not likely sorry with clay on this one 🤔
Koon Trucking i see it everyday
Ivan C where is the link to the bits you claim to be better?
Only good thing about the MAC is every one of them are lifetime.... I have the MaC, snap on and Hyper steps....hyper steps are way way quicker and the Mac bits are good but not as quick but the Mac buts are way better than snap on there junk... but it's all preference.... I'll bring the mac set up with me if the virus ever trickles and I'll let you check them out clay there OK bits but not as fast as hyper steps
Mac Tools warranties every single drill bit that they sell. Just make sure that it’s broken and you’re Mac guy will do it.
You’ll thank me later
Does Mac offer a set that is 8% cobalt?
👍👍
Above a 1/4 is lifetime.
yep should of went up one drill for test so mike could get them new ones
Every bit above a 1/4 is warranty. 1/4 is not.
Not the flank drive!! Noooo!!
👍🏼
Ok you drill thru some soft metal. Try drill thru a high speed drill bit. If you can do that I be impressed. If you cant order a Carbide drill bit from mscdirect.com and try it
Remember its carbide cannot move it from side to side they are brittle. You will be impressed trust me. Try a 2 stright flute or spiral flute. This will drill thru a tap, high speed drill bit. This company sells mostly to machine shop. They do have some good deals on tools also.
Clay i love your videos but i have to say this one put me to sleep. Literally
Drilling isn’t exciting sorry but it was a fair and informative test
First!
Sooooo..... now sharpen them
Can’t sharpen them because of the step bit design. Just warranty them out
@@KoonTrucking well poooo. Be nice to have a couple sets on hand.
I ended up getting the new stubby Cobalt 29 piece hyper steps to add on to the regular hyper steps I already have. They are sweet!