The Brahms one is entirely counterfactual; in reality, she was expecting him to marry her after Robert died, as they were both in love with each other. However, he chose to remain espoused to his music over marrying her. Conclusion: he was the exact opposite of a simp.
Oh right, I always thought it was a case of unrequited love, interesting. In that case, do you know what his reason for not marrying her was, like why did he want to remain espoused to his music?
@@mouf725 Robert Schumann was his mentor and great friend. I assume even though the two had an affair, he had too much respect for Robert and felt too guilty.
As a proud Liszt fan, I loved the burn "where do I even start", because in reality, he never stuck to conventional norms of composition and always did things different. Liszt always experimented new things with his music, so it kind of rings true, lol. 😂
As a Vivaldi fan, I don’t feel like that was even a really good burn. He wrote over 400 concertos and because one of them happens to be beloved by a random suckass talent show, that’s all he’s remembered for. He _invented_ the modern concerto and all he is remembered for is Summer.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 Lmao, I guess that would be true for someone who just listens to the four seasons. But it is certainly a better "burn" than the one in the video. Maybe I'm just a stingy fan tho.
He didn't even write all the concertos for violin; there are concertos for cello, oboe, flute, bassoon, recorder, lute, mandolin, horn, viola d'amore, (etc) and then he also has a couple of concerto grossos that are really great too.
I think that Tchaikovsky is way more than just a great melodist. But Ravel is a genius orchestrator, and so is Tchaikovsky, just because Ravel uses more different Instrument combinations does not mean he is a better orchestrator, even if I love Ravel. Not saying Ravel isn't better. But there is a difference between how many different sound colors are used and the actual genius of orchestration.🙌🏻
@@arielorthmann4061 Messiaen is Ravel's sucessor in a way, his orchestration is great, the only difference is that the way he writes doesn't lend so well to what really made Ravel the best. Btw, saying Tchaikovsky is better at orchestration than Ravel is ridiculous, Tchaikovsky was a good orchestrator, but not even a master, so let's not compare to perhaps the biggest master of them all. Stravinsky, Messiaen, Schoenberg, they were all so much better and clearly more knowledgeable, not that there is any issue with Tchaikovsky's music
I only studied Baroque and Romanticism but if I had to answer "Who's the best composer?" I'd just go with Bach Mozart Handel... Schumann or Schubert... always get them confused. One of those.
5:14 During Rob's lifetime it was exactly the opposite. She was a Europe-renowned piano virtuoso and he was barely known outside Germany. When they came to Russia someone asked "Who is that guy near you? Ah, your husband? Does he even compose or what?"
@@dan-us6nk I'm not sure if I can give you any sources in English since I've watched some documentaries and read some articles in Russian. You can fing something about Clara and Robert's trip to St. Petersburg and Moscow in 1844. Although, here are some translations from Olga Loseva's article "About Clara and Robert Schumann's Russian trip" from 2002: "Whatever Russian criticists wrote during Clara Schumann's concerts about the popularity of Robert Schumann's pieces "among all of the amateurs, not even saying about the connoisseurs", the facts, unfortunately, claim the opposite. Even among the connoisseurs his music *and even his name* was seldom heard before 1844, and really a few of Eastern European composers of his generation were in such a deep obscurity there. It would be wrong to say that such a situation was specific for Russia and was different for any country outside Germany". Although, in 10 years the situation changed dramatically and Schumann has become one of the most playable composers there. And that had suprpisingly no connection to Clara's recitals.
Which is also the reason why her father was so fundamentally opposed to them marrying and they had to get a court order to be allowed to. He had groomed her to be a concert pianist being able to maintain not only herself but also provide for her father as well. And when Robert showed up, an unknown musician, a law school drop out, a man that was not made, father Wieck was up in arms against the idea of her daughter marrying him.
Once heard the joke that you can count everything Stravinsky wrote in single beats. One, one, one, accented one, soft one, one rest, one, one, slightly longer one, one…. Etc.
Dancers are masters of counting music, because that the way we can set reference points and dance together with the music... I've danced in Stravinsky and you can't imagine how complex it is musically, we had to memorize a sequence of phrases, each of different length, and count it at different speeds depending on what we needed to do... Everything with absolutely no pattern, and counting everything in 1 wouldn't help us😂 it was fun tho, I give him that
The Mahler one made me burst out laughing. Especially since I read the letters Alma wrote about him and in one of the early ones she describes how he cried in her arms, apologizing for coming too early the first time they ever had sex. ;)
Although Stravinsky represents at first a considerable challenge for conductors because of his unique bar system and internal elements in the music... it's the most addictive drug once you get used to it and internalise his "game". As a student, I think Histoire du Soldat it's an impassable step in a conductor's education!
The hysterical thing is the "Stravinsky conducts Stravinsky " series on Columbia demonstrates how difficult his work is to conduct. Old Igor was a below average conductor.
Tchaikovsky's orchestration is widely considered among the best... Ravel has a beautiful use of colour and rythme but Tchaikovsky's orchestration is pure genius... It should be recognised instead that Wagner's orchestration is at God level too and Tchaikovsky has been influenced by it (although he publicly disliked him)
About Mahler, it's worth saying that at some point he sought Freud's services to "solve stuff" so yeah, there's that. Although on the other hand, he was almost 40 years old when he met his wife who was barely 18 at the time, and all his and Alma Schindler biographers account that whatever happened between them was wild and instantaneous, so yeah.
Beethoven’s harmonies are simple at times, but many of these instances stand to hold an important meaning within the overall structure of the piece. An example I’ve seen people sight is an instance in the 4th movement of his 5th symphony where he stays on the I C major chord for several measures to pound in the cadence on the first section. I believe this over the top emphasis is there as a means to contrast the much more somber returning theme from the 3rd movement. I would argue his harmonies are not necessarily boring, but more overtly simplistic at times.
He's just the earliest romantic symphonist so everything seems more simple to us. I personally am addicted to Mahler, so genuinly listening to Beethoven's music sounds a bit simple for me.
@@dan-us6nk It's that classical simplicity that makes it such a joy to listen to, though. Beethoven's music may be quasi-romantic and large in scale but it never loses that Mozartian charm.
I think the thing about Bach that can make his music a little difficult to listen to is that you are never given a break, seldom much contrast in a single movement, and in his pieces start very suddenly and drammatically, which are not bad things but can get overwhelming very quickly, especially with his fugues. Bach in my mind will always be my favourite composer because I can never get bored of him but once in awhile I need a break from his intense and rigorous counterpoint for something lighter, which often ironically involves a bigger orchestra.
Tchaikovsky for ever✌🏻 The only composer who wrote 2 hours long ballets and you can listen to the whole thing of every single one of them finding every moment beautiful end exciting, not to mention his other full length works I do not understand why he hates Rachmaninoff that much lol😂
@@Luca-yg5qx Prokofiev is amazing too, one of my favourites... I honestly wouldn't do any ranking with composerz but it was a way to say that Tchaikovsky has a special place in my heart. Also, although Prokofiev's ballets are incredible, it's still hard to stand against Tchaikovsky's three masterpieces, which are enjoyable with and without ballet
Ravel is pinnacle of orchestration and Prokofiev is well-known for many recognizable works, piano sonatas (dunno if you are just a violinist or anything), Romeo and Juliet, piano concertos, etc etc.
as a Tchaikovsky/Debussy fan, I got off easy and the most fucking striking thing is that I've been told I look a lot like Dicaprio by entirely different random people a great number of times
4:07 WOW I have a lot to say about this: Lady Macbeth, the Nose, cello sonata, Symphony 1, Symphony 15, Piano Trio 2, Piano Concerto 2, Jazz Suites are all counter arguments.
In college we all wrote a term paper on a Haydn piece. It required listening to it over and over... Doing lengthy analysis of the score. The Monday it was due we're all handing in the papers I go, "I'm sorry, but that was pretty boring. I'm not a fan." Everyone in the room laughed, including the professor.
I wish there was more representation with composers such as Albéniz, de Falla, Gottschalk, Granados, etc. Their music is so great and deserves to be known more!
Spanish composers are seriously underrated, especially the ones from late 19th century and early 20th century, even most spanish people don't have idea of who they are!
Gottschalk! I'm so attached to his music since I danced the main character in a fairytale with his music. Very exciting and exotic, yet virtuosity doesn't take away from expressiveness
What a low blow for Chopin! He may not have orchestrated most of his pieces, but there is orchestral quality counterpoint in his pieces! Can you tell that Chopin is my favourite composer?
The lack of orchestration in his works is what keeps Chopin in my least listened composers... I do find his music beautiful, but piano alone doesn't meet my taste so often... I also didn't love his orchestrated works, sadly, but I won't to make clear it's just about personal taste, he's a great composer
This channel represents another fundamental step in recognizing that nobody actually gives a shit about Satie, which is interesting, considering that neither did his contemporaries
Quite false since he was worshipped in France by Les Six. His music was loved back then in France and he kind of was an icon of French Classical music.
@@ernstjung6234 I mean now. His repetoire has a niche scope. Classical music treats most composers that are not Mozart or Bethoveen horribly for no good reason.
Contempories of more famous composers after spending their whole life creating music and gaining reputation only to be instantly forgotten by an ungrateful public. 💀
Alkan: "Who the hell are you? And stop beating the piano, aren't 20 minutes enough?" Sorabji: "If you write 5-hour-long piano pieces with 4 staves it doesn't make your music automatically epic" La Monte Young: "Tune your piano m8" Delibes, Minkus: "I'm not a ballet dancer so your music doesn't make sense to me" C. P. E. Bach: "Stop modulating between movements"
When I was in school our Music History Prof said that Tchaikovsky wrote "meretricious " music and for that reason, we would not be studying him during her course. We were pissed...especially after we went to the Library and found out what meretricious meant.
You know, I would just drop that course immediately after hearing that. Tchaikovsky is basically my spirit animal, and I would feel personally attacked by that professor's statement. I feel like a lot of musicologists just like the stuff Mendelssohn liked out of respect for tradition, and the stuff that they can write a thesis and essays about, which shows a lack of enjoying music as music. Just because Tchaikovsky was good at making people like his music doesn't mean that it's bad. His orchestration skills and melodic talent are god-tier. Plus, he's good at keeping people engaged in the music most of the time, which cannot be said for a lot of late romantic era composers. Music is meant to be enjoyed... shocking, I know.
I am a proud Wagnerian. He wrote very complex and long works, and you have to be really into there to feel all of the greatness. And when you've reached it, it is simply the best for you. And you also get the superpower not to get tired while listening to his operas))
Ppl say they don't like Tristan act 2 because of Brangene warnings and marke's disappointment. I absolutely disagree as personally the whole act was just the most musically fascinating piece, the plot is slow but the pace is perfectly shaped by Wagner
@@weavileoff0461 being patient is one thing. When I first listened to Tristan I was patiently listening to act 1 while my attention kinda flew away until they drank the potion. But act 2 and 3 is something that I don't know how people can think it's boring, cuz it simply isn't.
@@weavileoff0461 actually act 1 can be very good too depending on the performance. The Bohm performance left me cold but the Karajan 52 is the best act 1 I've heard because of many reasons that I'm not going to list out here. Anyways Wagner left us long gifts that are not boring.
Ach, you proud, true believers. Those 20+ (?) minutes of stasis in Parsifal (Farcifal, mejor dicho) were the death of me. Pity I didn't have Glazunov's wherewithal to keep trying (he didn't "get" Wagner, either, on attempts 1,2 or 3) until finally... I will definitely give ol' Richard his due, however, as the greatest "bleeding chunks" composer ever!
I’ll have to assume since there was no mention of Percy Grainger or Scriabin, that my favorite composers are so indubitably excellent it wasn’t worth taking the time to include them in such a trivial list.
Here I'll roast your favourite composers Percy Grainger: compensates for his small dick by being a hardcore white supremacist Scriabin: bro fully descended into madness
Not only Bruckner wrote 9 (11 with no. 0 and 00) symphonies, but he kept re-writing them, sometimes composing entire new movements. People still mess up with the editions.
What's with the hate towards Händel? Aside from Mozart and Prokofiev, he's the composer that got me into classical music. And I still like to listen to his works every now and then.
Me anytime someone says something bad about Wagner's character: Yeah, he was a real douchebag Me anytime anyone says a single negative thing about his music: Listen here you little schieße...
@@treystephens6166 Scheiße is just the noun for shit/poop, Scheißer is the word for the person who's a little shit/bugger. You could use the feminine form which would be 'Scheißerin' if you talk about a female, but usually for everyone the masculine form gets used.
So happy how you are thinking about Tchaikovsky, my favorite composer, but he wouldn't be pleased that his bestie Grieg is called awful (; still, there's so much light and so much darkness close together. The Nutcracker overture may be sweet, but you will feel completely different with the one from Swan Lake - or ever tried The storm or The Oprichnik (; But forget all other composers, if you can have the Waltz of Flowers, the Final Scene of Swan Lake or whatever else (;
Me, a butthurt Bruckner fanatic: "Seriously, where did we get the 'same symphony 9 times' thing??? Ugh. No one UNDERSTANDS Bruckner, which is why I am so special for worshipping him against his will!!!"
I don't recall Brahms ever making a move on Clara, it even came to the point that he left Clara's place at some point to avoid some unwanted tendencies. But oh well, he's still a great composer nonetheless.
I always thought that I wasn’t a classical music person. I’ve realized that the only classical I’ve been exposed to is Beethoven. And I don’t like Beethoven. So I’m going to take video and choose some cool seeming composers. Thanks for making this! I’m going to start with Ravel because I liked that excerpt you put In here and Shostakovich because I like war music.
See if you like Glenn Gould. Iearned to love classical through listening to him and studying his lectures. Heres some Ravel. m.ua-cam.com/video/KR2ECgtxYVw/v-deo.html
Classical music is very diverse so it’s really impossible to judge it based on just one or a few composers… personally I like Beethoven, but there’s a lot of classical music I love that other classical fans will scoff at and vice versa
Grieg's music is gorgeous, especially the Lyric Pieces but also the Piano Concerto and various other works. Ironically, all these samples drew my attention - they all wrote at least some good music.
I'd actually also add Verdi's orchestration is more like a marching band with strings added to it. Something about it always makes me feel like it leans a bit tin-y
As a DCI fan, college marching band member, and former BOA competitor, I approve of marching band orchestration lol. Like I think that Tchaikovsky invented drum corps/marching band orchestration with the finale to 1812 overture by calling for all available brass musicians
@@ricucci-hillmusic :: You really short-changed Verdi ! The Triumphant Scene is masterly ! His melodramatic music is over-the-top, which suites melodrama. The chamber-atmosphere of La Traviata is relaxingly-calming & dramatic. Cut him some slack ! 😁
People who like the music of those composers don't suddenly start hating them just because those facts. A very illogical way of thinking. Unless you have statistics of people who told so.
I guess Bach's music is boring to those who assume that one should be able to enjoy music without making an effort. On the other hand Tschaikowsky's music is immediately pleasing. So being a Tschaikowsky fan and finding Bach boring makes sense.
Tchaikovsky : he's trying to be a Russian Mozart instead of being just Russian Scriabin : he seems to love sex too much Wagner : he thinks he's the god of music Strauss : he also thinks he's the god of music. And if you think his operas make no sense, look at early operas Ligeti : he think world is a horror movie
This was hysterically funny !!! One thing I think you have in reverse about the Schumanns: We would almost certainly not know Robbie had it not been for Clara.
0:17 it's monday evening I've been studying calculus for hours and you hit me with that I lost it officially. thanks. that was hilarious I'm still having waves of chuckles I am in danger. you couldn't even insult his music you could give a joke about his height too but you chose the D minor you just love the drama.
"a nightmare for performers and conductors" I feel like Stravinsky would have been half flattered by that
Yeah😂
And a nightmare for dancers as well... I faint just by thinking of the choreography.
And for some listeners xd
Just conduct in 1 5head. What do you mean you can't subdivide into 7
Life goals!
We can all agree that Carl's favourite composer is Tchaikovsky
The statement made about tchaikovsky changes a lot when you keep in mind that he was gay
Oh god, know I get it😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He's definitely in the top 5 yes🙌🏻😂
As it should
@@Carl-FriedrichWelker Tchaikovsky have much mistakes in his orchestral works.
"One Spontaneous Key Change doesn't make your music epic"
I feel personally attacked.
Sorry😂
What was that Schumann piece?
@@depisoroszkoltosrac6547 According to one commenter, its Movement 4 of Symphony No. 3.
@@ssb201 Oh, it is. Tahnks! :D
But... But more brass... 😁😁😁
chopin didn’t need orchestra, chopin had piano.
Yes🙂
Duh
look im chopin vegetables
@@theyluvtwoset.13 oh god no
@@glenngouldschair390 we be chop pin
Apparently we all missed out; we remember Verdi as a composer, but his wife said his true gift was his risotto alla milanese
😂
Just told that one to the missus - it got a good laugh from her. 👍
Admittedly, that's why we printed it on the banknotes
Either that man made a really good risotto or y'know ouch.
Giuseppina Strepponi needs more credit than she is rewarded for this
The Brahms one is entirely counterfactual; in reality, she was expecting him to marry her after Robert died, as they were both in love with each other. However, he chose to remain espoused to his music over marrying her. Conclusion: he was the exact opposite of a simp.
Should I change the Thumbnail to Brahms = Chad😂
@@Carl-FriedrichWelker Yes, sir 😂
Oh right, I always thought it was a case of unrequited love, interesting. In that case, do you know what his reason for not marrying her was, like why did he want to remain espoused to his music?
Not only did he try, there are rumours that there was a child.
@@mouf725 Robert Schumann was his mentor and great friend. I assume even though the two had an affair, he had too much respect for Robert and felt too guilty.
The fact that the only complaint about Chopin is his orchestration just says how incredible he is.
The Grieg slander just hurt as well😂
Griegs string quartet. A must listen.
Chopin is just the best and most romantic of all time. When a woman judges Chopin, the woman says: 😍
Hahahahaha exactly, Chopin is the best, we all love him... but, he's cello works are beautiful...
Chopin is the equivalent of a romanticist hippie
Chopin is a bad composer. There's a lot of compositions of his that are lovely, but outside of the Ballades, his music is written very lazily
As a proud Liszt fan, I loved the burn "where do I even start", because in reality, he never stuck to conventional norms of composition and always did things different. Liszt always experimented new things with his music, so it kind of rings true, lol. 😂
Liszt the GOAT ( look at the pic)
All Liszt fans unite!
Not really
@@stravinskyfan what do mean
@@stravinskyfan bro thinks he's has knowledge
As a Vivaldi fan, I don’t feel like that was even a really good burn. He wrote over 400 concertos and because one of them happens to be beloved by a random suckass talent show, that’s all he’s remembered for. He _invented_ the modern concerto and all he is remembered for is Summer.
Yes. Vivaldi is more than the four Seasons.
A good burn then would be: "Once you hear one piece, you've heard them all" xD
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 Lmao, I guess that would be true for someone who just listens to the four seasons. But it is certainly a better "burn" than the one in the video. Maybe I'm just a stingy fan tho.
He didn't even write all the concertos for violin; there are concertos for cello, oboe, flute, bassoon, recorder, lute, mandolin, horn, viola d'amore, (etc) and then he also has a couple of concerto grossos that are really great too.
@@RachaelLongLastName Yeah, I get what you are saying, but it is a funny burn since so many of Vivaldi pieces sound similar to 4 S.
Congrats dude you actually managed to piss me of with every single one of them 🤣
That's was the intention😉
Absolutely
Liszt is quite misunderstood, but his music and legacy is incredibly important
True
Very, Very True
Super duper very very super true
@@jessicaeskebk5945 NO!
Misunderstood? By whom? Everybody knows he's a great composer.
In case u want to jump to ur fav composer
0:00 - Bach: B minor mass, Gloria in excelsis Deo
0:03 - Beethoven: 5th symphony
0:08 - Mozart: 40th symphony
0:16 - Mahler: 3rd symphony
0:28 - Bruckner: 7th symphony
0:43 - Brahms: 4th symphony
0:53 - Schubert: "Unfinished" symphony
1:05 - Schumann: 3rd symphony, mov.IV
1:20 - Rachmaninoff: Symphonic Dances
1:30 - Ravel: Daphnis et Chloe, Lever du jour
1:42 - Stravinsky: Rite of Spring, The Augurs of Spring
1:51 - Liszt: Spanish Rhapsody
2:04 - Strauss: Vier letzte Lieder
2:14 - Chopin: Ballade no. 1
2:25 - Tchaikovsky: Nutcracker ♡
2:33 - Wagner: Tristan und Isolde
2:45 - Verdi: Nabucco
3:00 - Puccini: La Boheme, Musetta's Waltz
3:14 - Haydn: 87th symphony
3:23 - Händel: Music for the Royal Fireworks
3:35 - Debussy: La Mer
3:48 - Mendelssohn: 4th symphony
4:02 - Shostakovich: 5th symphony
4:16 - Schönberg: 2nd chamber symphony LOL
4:23 - Sibelius: 5th symphony
4:36 - Dvorak: 9th symphony
4:50 - Bartok: The Miraculous Mandarin
5:02 - Prokofiev: 6th piano sonata
5:14 - C. Schumann: 3 romances
5:24 - Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique
5:34 - Vivaldi: "Summer" violin concerto, mov.III
5:42 - Saint-Säens: Allegro Appassionato op.70
5:48 - Hindemith: Symphonic Metamorphosis, mov.IV
5:59 - Korsakov: Scheherazade
6:08 - Grieg: Peer Gynt suite no. 1
6:18 - outro - Ravel: string quartet in F, mov.II
(little help to @BlueMeeple 's comment)
Tchaikovsky is a great melodist, but when it comes to orchestration, no one is better than Ravel.
I think that Tchaikovsky is way more than just a great melodist. But Ravel is a genius orchestrator, and so is Tchaikovsky, just because Ravel uses more different Instrument combinations does not mean he is a better orchestrator, even if I love Ravel. Not saying Ravel isn't better. But there is a difference between how many different sound colors are used and the actual genius of orchestration.🙌🏻
@@Carl-FriedrichWelker It's like comparing Bach to Stravinsky.
Messiaen's orchestrations are also something
cliché comment ngl
@@arielorthmann4061 Messiaen is Ravel's sucessor in a way, his orchestration is great, the only difference is that the way he writes doesn't lend so well to what really made Ravel the best. Btw, saying Tchaikovsky is better at orchestration than Ravel is ridiculous, Tchaikovsky was a good orchestrator, but not even a master, so let's not compare to perhaps the biggest master of them all. Stravinsky, Messiaen, Schoenberg, they were all so much better and clearly more knowledgeable, not that there is any issue with Tchaikovsky's music
List of excerpts (mostly 1st movements or preludes etc.)
Bach: B minor mass, Gloria in excelsis Deo
Beethoven: 5th symphony
Mozart: 40th symphony
Mahler: 3rd symphony
Bruckner: 7th symphony
Brahms: 4th symphony
Schubert: "Unfinished" symphony
Schumann: 3rd symphony, mov.IV
Rachmaninoff: Symphonic Dances
Ravel: Daphnis et Chloe, Lever du jour
Stravinsky: Rite of Spring, The Augurs of Spring
Liszt: Spanish Rhapsody
Strauss: Vier letzte Lieder
Chopin: Ballade no. 1
Tchaikovsky: Nutcracker
Wagner: Tristan und Isolde
Verdi: Nabucco
Puccini: La Boheme, Musetta's Waltz
Haydn: 87th symphony
Händel: Music for the Royal Fireworks
Debussy: La Mer
Mendelssohn: 4th symphony
Shostakovich: 5th symphony
Schönberg: 2nd chamber symphony
Sibelius: 5th symphony
Dvorak: 9th symphony
Bartok: The Miraculous Mandarin
Prokofiev: 6th piano sonata
C.Schumann: 3 romances
Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique
Vivaldi: "Summer" violin concerto, mov.III
Saint-Säens: Allegro Appassionato op.70
Hindemith: Symphonic Metamorphosis, mov.IV
Korsakov: Scheherazade
Grieg: Peer Gynt suite no. 1
(outro - Ravel: string quartet, mov.II)
You are our salvation.
Thank you for throwing some light into this! 👍🏽😃
Thank you very much🙌🏻
A true angel
Handel is indeed seriously underrated, but I don't think that was his fault.
Not underrated by Beethoven. But he was by Schoenberg -- at least Beethoven had a copy of Handels (almost) complete oeuvre.
We have to blame 19th century musicology for that I think.
@@SimoneBattaglia94 Sounds about right.
I only studied Baroque and Romanticism but if I had to answer "Who's the best composer?" I'd just go with Bach Mozart Handel... Schumann or Schubert... always get them confused. One of those.
@@indiegrab360 Questions like that are completely useless.
5:14 During Rob's lifetime it was exactly the opposite. She was a Europe-renowned piano virtuoso and he was barely known outside Germany. When they came to Russia someone asked "Who is that guy near you? Ah, your husband? Does he even compose or what?"
I didn't knew that thanks🙌🏻
source please
I'd wish to read more
@@dan-us6nk I'm not sure if I can give you any sources in English since I've watched some documentaries and read some articles in Russian. You can fing something about Clara and Robert's trip to St. Petersburg and Moscow in 1844.
Although, here are some translations from Olga Loseva's article "About Clara and Robert Schumann's Russian trip" from 2002:
"Whatever Russian criticists wrote during Clara Schumann's concerts about the popularity of Robert Schumann's pieces "among all of the amateurs, not even saying about the connoisseurs", the facts, unfortunately, claim the opposite. Even among the connoisseurs his music *and even his name* was seldom heard before 1844, and really a few of Eastern European composers of his generation were in such a deep obscurity there. It would be wrong to say that such a situation was specific for Russia and was different for any country outside Germany".
Although, in 10 years the situation changed dramatically and Schumann has become one of the most playable composers there. And that had suprpisingly no connection to Clara's recitals.
Which is also the reason why her father was so fundamentally opposed to them marrying and they had to get a court order to be allowed to.
He had groomed her to be a concert pianist being able to maintain not only herself but also provide for her father as well. And when Robert showed up, an unknown musician, a law school drop out, a man that was not made, father Wieck was up in arms against the idea of her daughter marrying him.
Without Clara you would not know Robert.
Once heard the joke that you can count everything Stravinsky wrote in single beats. One, one, one, accented one, soft one, one rest, one, one, slightly longer one, one…. Etc.
Dancers are masters of counting music, because that the way we can set reference points and dance together with the music... I've danced in Stravinsky and you can't imagine how complex it is musically, we had to memorize a sequence of phrases, each of different length, and count it at different speeds depending on what we needed to do... Everything with absolutely no pattern, and counting everything in 1 wouldn't help us😂 it was fun tho, I give him that
Sounds horrible😂
The Mahler one made me burst out laughing.
Especially since I read the letters Alma wrote about him and in one of the early ones she describes how he cried in her arms, apologizing for coming too early the first time they ever had sex. ;)
Ok I didn't know that😂
I NEED TO READ THAT 😭
w h a t
I didn't know that, but coming too quickly has nothing to do with the size of one's dick!
Do you see the likes, some things are perfect just the way they are.
As a Shostakovich Fan, I can confirm that we all like him because his music was inspired by war and oppression.
And this is why Prokofiev, who embodies way more fantasy is a trillion times better
Is Shastakovich pronounced, "Shastakovich" or, "Shastakovich?"
Although Stravinsky represents at first a considerable challenge for conductors because of his unique bar system and internal elements in the music... it's the most addictive drug once you get used to it and internalise his "game". As a student, I think Histoire du Soldat it's an impassable step in a conductor's education!
Wise words😂👍🏻
One of my faves but I'm guessing it would be hard to play.
The hysterical thing is the "Stravinsky conducts Stravinsky " series on Columbia demonstrates how difficult his work is to conduct. Old Igor was a below average conductor.
Tchaikovsky a better orchestrator than Ravel? Them’s fightin’ words.
Tchaikovsky's orchestration is widely considered among the best... Ravel has a beautiful use of colour and rythme but Tchaikovsky's orchestration is pure genius... It should be recognised instead that Wagner's orchestration is at God level too and Tchaikovsky has been influenced by it (although he publicly disliked him)
But overall Ravel wins because Le Tombeau de Couperin.
@@oritdrimer4354 Overall, Ravel wins because he is Ravel. One mustn't forget, he has other orchestral works.
@@iks.7048 Ravel is Great, He is in my top 5 already.
Daphnis et Chloe is just out of this world
About Mahler, it's worth saying that at some point he sought Freud's services to "solve stuff" so yeah, there's that. Although on the other hand, he was almost 40 years old when he met his wife who was barely 18 at the time, and all his and Alma Schindler biographers account that whatever happened between them was wild and instantaneous, so yeah.
Beethoven’s harmonies are simple at times, but many of these instances stand to hold an important meaning within the overall structure of the piece.
An example I’ve seen people sight is an instance in the 4th movement of his 5th symphony where he stays on the I C major chord for several measures to pound in the cadence on the first section. I believe this over the top emphasis is there as a means to contrast the much more somber returning theme from the 3rd movement.
I would argue his harmonies are not necessarily boring, but more overtly simplistic at times.
He's just the earliest romantic symphonist so everything seems more simple to us.
I personally am addicted to Mahler, so genuinly listening to Beethoven's music sounds a bit simple for me.
@@dan-us6nk It's that classical simplicity that makes it such a joy to listen to, though. Beethoven's music may be quasi-romantic and large in scale but it never loses that Mozartian charm.
Beethoven is much more about motific development ( easy example being the 5th symphony.)
I think the thing about Bach that can make his music a little difficult to listen to is that you are never given a break, seldom much contrast in a single movement, and in his pieces start very suddenly and drammatically, which are not bad things but can get overwhelming very quickly, especially with his fugues. Bach in my mind will always be my favourite composer because I can never get bored of him but once in awhile I need a break from his intense and rigorous counterpoint for something lighter, which often ironically involves a bigger orchestra.
Tchaikovsky for ever✌🏻
The only composer who wrote 2 hours long ballets and you can listen to the whole thing of every single one of them finding every moment beautiful end exciting, not to mention his other full length works
I do not understand why he hates Rachmaninoff that much lol😂
Me, I don't hate Rachmaninoff, I think he is genius😂
I wouldn't call him my favourite, But I like to play his music tho.
Ugh, ballet. I'd rather be condemned to Dante's Bolgia of Mozart Divertimenti.
Ever heard of Prokofiev?
@@Luca-yg5qx Prokofiev is amazing too, one of my favourites... I honestly wouldn't do any ranking with composerz but it was a way to say that Tchaikovsky has a special place in my heart. Also, although Prokofiev's ballets are incredible, it's still hard to stand against Tchaikovsky's three masterpieces, which are enjoyable with and without ballet
Ravel is pinnacle of orchestration and Prokofiev is well-known for many recognizable works, piano sonatas (dunno if you are just a violinist or anything), Romeo and Juliet, piano concertos, etc etc.
Sorry, Berlioz was a greater and very innovative orchestrator. He influenced the Russians, esp. Rimsky.
Love them both since I was 17.
as a Tchaikovsky/Debussy fan, I got off easy and the most fucking striking thing is that I've been told I look a lot like Dicaprio by entirely different random people a great number of times
I think Debussy looks more like John C. Riley than DiCaprio.
Prokofiev is so flawless you had to lie in order to find a defect ☠️
+1
Tchaikovsky: does not suck at all
His boyfriend: ._.
*His nephew
0:56 Schubert was great at writing melodies. It is a quality in itself. I can live with that.
all in favor of changing his name to CHADkovsky, say I
Thanks, that's funny😂I will keep that in mind🙌🏻
love how the first time Saint-Saëns is acknowledged on your channel is for the "Why your favorite composer sucks!" video, that's fair I guess lmao
Hilarious😂
4:07 WOW I have a lot to say about this: Lady Macbeth, the Nose, cello sonata, Symphony 1, Symphony 15, Piano Trio 2, Piano Concerto 2, Jazz Suites are all counter arguments.
I was watching this in aggressive anticipation to see what you had to say about Tchaikovsky. Left surprisingly satisfied.
NONO the fact that there isn’t a melody with Debussy is WHY ITS SO GOOD
In college we all wrote a term paper on a Haydn piece. It required listening to it over and over... Doing lengthy analysis of the score. The Monday it was due we're all handing in the papers I go, "I'm sorry, but that was pretty boring. I'm not a fan." Everyone in the room laughed, including the professor.
I like that story😂
My man's dead inside
I wish there was more representation with composers such as Albéniz, de Falla, Gottschalk, Granados, etc. Their music is so great and deserves to be known more!
Sadly I don't know much about them so I can't make any jokes😂
Spanish composers are seriously underrated, especially the ones from late 19th century and early 20th century, even most spanish people don't have idea of who they are!
Gottschalk! I'm so attached to his music since I danced the main character in a fairytale with his music. Very exciting and exotic, yet virtuosity doesn't take away from expressiveness
True, I only found out about them because I play classical guitar, fantastic composers, sadly not very well represented outside the guitar niche.
bet no one knows edouard wolff
What a low blow for Chopin!
He may not have orchestrated most of his pieces, but there is orchestral quality counterpoint in his pieces!
Can you tell that Chopin is my favourite composer?
The lack of orchestration in his works is what keeps Chopin in my least listened composers... I do find his music beautiful, but piano alone doesn't meet my taste so often... I also didn't love his orchestrated works, sadly, but I won't to make clear it's just about personal taste, he's a great composer
Yes kinda😂
I think if you asked Chopin about his orchestration he would say "oh god please leave me alone will you leave me alone if I write you a mazurka"
@@theKobus im a chopin fan so id be very pleased to have a mazurka written for me xD
stop tapping at tables in public
This channel represents another fundamental step in recognizing that nobody actually gives a shit about Satie, which is interesting, considering that neither did his contemporaries
Quite false since he was worshipped in France by Les Six. His music was loved back then in France and he kind of was an icon of French Classical music.
He made music jokes on the piano so that may be why.
@@rogerwilliams6058 That"s pretty much you being ignorant of the character of the guy.
@@ernstjung6234 I mean now. His repetoire has a niche scope. Classical music treats most composers that are not Mozart or Bethoveen horribly for no good reason.
Contempories of more famous composers after spending their whole life creating music and gaining reputation only to be instantly forgotten by an ungrateful public. 💀
“Tchaikovsky: does not suck at all”
Oh the irony…
Alkan: "Who the hell are you? And stop beating the piano, aren't 20 minutes enough?"
Sorabji: "If you write 5-hour-long piano pieces with 4 staves it doesn't make your music automatically epic"
La Monte Young: "Tune your piano m8"
Delibes, Minkus: "I'm not a ballet dancer so your music doesn't make sense to me"
C. P. E. Bach: "Stop modulating between movements"
When I was in school our Music History Prof said that Tchaikovsky wrote "meretricious " music and for that reason, we would not be studying him during her course. We were pissed...especially after we went to the Library and found out what meretricious meant.
You know, I would just drop that course immediately after hearing that. Tchaikovsky is basically my spirit animal, and I would feel personally attacked by that professor's statement. I feel like a lot of musicologists just like the stuff Mendelssohn liked out of respect for tradition, and the stuff that they can write a thesis and essays about, which shows a lack of enjoying music as music. Just because Tchaikovsky was good at making people like his music doesn't mean that it's bad. His orchestration skills and melodic talent are god-tier. Plus, he's good at keeping people engaged in the music most of the time, which cannot be said for a lot of late romantic era composers. Music is meant to be enjoyed... shocking, I know.
I am a proud Wagnerian. He wrote very complex and long works, and you have to be really into there to feel all of the greatness. And when you've reached it, it is simply the best for you. And you also get the superpower not to get tired while listening to his operas))
Ppl say they don't like Tristan act 2 because of Brangene warnings and marke's disappointment. I absolutely disagree as personally the whole act was just the most musically fascinating piece, the plot is slow but the pace is perfectly shaped by Wagner
@@ianng9915 I advise them just to be more patient so they can fully enjoy the music
@@weavileoff0461 being patient is one thing. When I first listened to Tristan I was patiently listening to act 1 while my attention kinda flew away until they drank the potion. But act 2 and 3 is something that I don't know how people can think it's boring, cuz it simply isn't.
@@weavileoff0461 actually act 1 can be very good too depending on the performance. The Bohm performance left me cold but the Karajan 52 is the best act 1 I've heard because of many reasons that I'm not going to list out here. Anyways Wagner left us long gifts that are not boring.
Ach, you proud, true believers. Those 20+ (?) minutes of stasis in Parsifal (Farcifal, mejor dicho) were the death of me. Pity I didn't have Glazunov's wherewithal to keep trying (he didn't "get" Wagner, either, on attempts 1,2 or 3) until finally... I will definitely give ol' Richard his due, however, as the greatest "bleeding chunks" composer ever!
I have spent 10 years of my life listening Bach's fugues almost non-stop. Never gets old
4:36 Sibelius violin concerto : why am I still here? Just to suffer
I’ll have to assume since there was no mention of Percy Grainger or Scriabin, that my favorite composers are so indubitably excellent it wasn’t worth taking the time to include them in such a trivial list.
I agree with such a interpretation.
We sight read a granger piece in school last week and it was hell to play
No me mention of Steve Reich or Iannis Xenakis as well. Clearly the way to this person's heart is to write for percussion.
Here I'll roast your favourite composers
Percy Grainger: compensates for his small dick by being a hardcore white supremacist
Scriabin: bro fully descended into madness
Scriabin: you want to play Liszt but find his music too difficult
I actually love when the piano in an orchestra gets sole attention for a while. Everyone's at the edge of their seat in those moments
Not only Bruckner wrote 9 (11 with no. 0 and 00) symphonies, but he kept re-writing them, sometimes composing entire new movements. People still mess up with the editions.
Now we all know Carl is a total nutcracker nerd
can't have the one hit wonder conversation without my boy pachelbel
Well that's true giuseppe😂
proud Mozartian. love his Operas, Piano Concertos, late Symphonys and Choir Music
That's my man
Me too :) His Little Gigue K. 574 is not I-IV-V-I at all!
Bruh tchaikovsky was an alright orchestrater Ravel was a literal god
What's with the hate towards Händel?
Aside from Mozart and Prokofiev, he's the composer that got me into classical music.
And I still like to listen to his works every now and then.
Handels music from Solomon is beautiful!
@@Robert_1685 funnily enough, he was the mainstream composer in his time😂
Honestly in classical music everyone is underated.
0:29 That's what one calls a dedication
4:02 "All warfare is based" - Sun Tzu
2:17 the piano is already an orchestra
4:48 because he's Bartok, and that's what Bartok does, and I love it!
2:30 Well from what we know, he certainly sucked...
Very underated comment ngl
"every piece is war inspired"
Piano concerto no. 2
waltz for jazz orchestra
9th symphony
8th string quartet
9th piano trio
I could go on...
Brahms is not a simp, he just paying respect to his friends Robert and Clara
Ravel is still superior, you'll understand one day. Also, Haydn wrote over 107 symphonies, 104 was just his last.
What was the piece they played for him?
@@jura3443 Daphnis et Chloé, Suite No.2
And for Haydn, I'm not sure. I've heard every symphony, but I don't *know* them all.
Not superior to rachmaninoff that’s for sure, especially with his piano concerto
thank god, someone understands. For me ravel is the peak of music and he can never be compared with bitch-ass Tchaikovshy.
Me anytime someone says something bad about Wagner's character: Yeah, he was a real douchebag
Me anytime anyone says a single negative thing about his music:
Listen here you little schieße...
Kapitol S.
*Scheiße but in this case you might want to use 'Scheißer'
@@IR4TE masculine not feminine ❓
@@treystephens6166 Scheiße is just the noun for shit/poop, Scheißer is the word for the person who's a little shit/bugger. You could use the feminine form which would be 'Scheißerin' if you talk about a female, but usually for everyone the masculine form gets used.
If you can listen to Götterdämmerung without vibing, maybe life just isn't for you idk
Man, this is amazing! It made me laugh so much! Great sense of humor! :)
As a poet, the one about Puccini really hit close to home...
So happy how you are thinking about Tchaikovsky, my favorite composer, but he wouldn't be pleased that his bestie Grieg is called awful (;
still, there's so much light and so much darkness close together. The Nutcracker overture may be sweet, but you will feel completely different with the one from Swan Lake - or ever tried The storm or The Oprichnik (;
But forget all other composers, if you can have the Waltz of Flowers, the Final Scene of Swan Lake or whatever else (;
Me, a butthurt Bruckner fanatic:
"Seriously, where did we get the 'same symphony 9 times' thing??? Ugh. No one UNDERSTANDS Bruckner, which is why I am so special for worshipping him against his will!!!"
Bruckner is in my top 5 so I agree with you😂Was hard to find something bad about him so I went with that😂
I was certain that the joke was that it wasn't a joke. 🙂
I don't recall Brahms ever making a move on Clara, it even came to the point that he left Clara's place at some point to avoid some unwanted tendencies. But oh well, he's still a great composer nonetheless.
Misconception with Bach... love his works for solo violin and also fugues. His music is divine.
My god… Tchaikovsky… I’ve never been so glad a stranger had been born
This made me laugh hysterically. and I thank you for it.
You're welcome
I always thought that I wasn’t a classical music person. I’ve realized that the only classical I’ve been exposed to is Beethoven. And I don’t like Beethoven. So I’m going to take video and choose some cool seeming composers. Thanks for making this! I’m going to start with Ravel because I liked that excerpt you put In here and Shostakovich because I like war music.
See if you like Glenn Gould. Iearned to love classical through listening to him and studying his lectures. Heres some Ravel. m.ua-cam.com/video/KR2ECgtxYVw/v-deo.html
Glenn Gould is most known for his Bach. ua-cam.com/video/s_num0eZIQ8/v-deo.html
Here is a lecture on Beethoven. With the Tempest Sonata no. 17. ua-cam.com/video/RPDBcdDGrnE/v-deo.html
It seems to me that shows shostakovich influenced a lot of the great OSTs.
Classical music is very diverse so it’s really impossible to judge it based on just one or a few composers… personally I like Beethoven, but there’s a lot of classical music I love that other classical fans will scoff at and vice versa
3:25 That is not true. I like Handel. 😔
Poor Grieg
I actually love Bach’s fugues especially on the organ :/
😬Playing is even less fun, no that's wrong it's more fun but very difficult😂
@@Carl-FriedrichWelker well, I play cello, so no fugues for me 😁
@@ligetisspaghetti5763 There is a fugue in the prelude of one of the six Cello suites. I forget which one. A very beautiful fugue.
Grieg's music is gorgeous, especially the Lyric Pieces but also the Piano Concerto and various other works.
Ironically, all these samples drew my attention - they all wrote at least some good music.
Me when it got to Shostakovich:
"That's not entirely tru- oh wait a second"
I'd actually also add Verdi's orchestration is more like a marching band with strings added to it. Something about it always makes me feel like it leans a bit tin-y
#Roast😂
@@Carl-FriedrichWelker Got more where that came from. Haha
As a DCI fan, college marching band member, and former BOA competitor, I approve of marching band orchestration lol. Like I think that Tchaikovsky invented drum corps/marching band orchestration with the finale to 1812 overture by calling for all available brass musicians
@@garcar2814 haha don't get me wrong, marching band orchestration is great, just not really what I want to hear in my Italian opera lol
@@ricucci-hillmusic :: You really short-changed Verdi ! The Triumphant Scene is masterly ! His melodramatic music is over-the-top, which suites melodrama. The chamber-atmosphere of La Traviata is relaxingly-calming & dramatic.
Cut him some slack ! 😁
One simply does not mess with Chopin and Rachmaninoff. Period. Other than that, pretty accurate.
The accuracy of your descriptions 👏👏
Thanks🙌🏻
Can someone tell me all the pieces used please?
Chopin's music is so great, he doesnt need orchestration. Just a piano and he'll make the best music you'll evee hear
Yeah, it's a pity he didn't finish his 3rd concerto it would have been a fantastic piece
Good music, but hardly best for me
Eh sounds like key Spam
@@omegachadrequiem3831 maybe his thinking is too fast for you😉
@@omegachadrequiem3831 what's bro on about
* Tchaikovsky simp detected *
Behind the sarcasm it hides from someone who obviously loves classical music.
People who like the music of those composers don't suddenly start hating them just because those facts. A very illogical way of thinking. Unless you have statistics of people who told so.
As Korean, Sad for Psy in 5:32
The Liszt roast was unnecessarily brutal 💀
Sorry
@@Carl-FriedrichWelker lol
I recognize the piece from somewhere but can’t remember the name, what is it?
@@fritzg5964 It's the Spanish Rhapsody
For Hindemith you could have wrote "violist"
As a lover of Handel… I can 100% agree with the remarks lol! We are a rare breed! Lol!
I guess other than 'he's boring' there is no proper roast for Bach XD
Yesssss
Bach is the least boring composer out of all of them in the list
@@arielorthmann4061 true, he is the best ❤️
I guess Bach's music is boring to those who assume that one should be able to enjoy music without making an effort. On the other hand Tschaikowsky's music is immediately pleasing. So being a Tschaikowsky fan and finding Bach boring makes sense.
Tchaikovsky : he's trying to be a Russian Mozart instead of being just Russian
Scriabin : he seems to love sex too much
Wagner : he thinks he's the god of music
Strauss : he also thinks he's the god of music. And if you think his operas make no sense, look at early operas
Ligeti : he think world is a horror movie
This was hysterically funny !!!
One thing I think you have in reverse about the Schumanns:
We would almost certainly not know Robbie had it not been for Clara.
This is like letting out our deepest intrusive thoughts about each composer
bro Dvorak’s orchestration may be “simple” but it is not sloppy
No but how we worked, be often changed articulation because, well we don't now, or he jsut forgot them or left them out😂
0:17
it's monday evening
I've been studying calculus for hours
and you hit me with that
I lost it officially.
thanks.
that was hilarious
I'm still having waves of chuckles
I am in danger.
you couldn't even insult his music
you could give a joke about his height too
but you chose the D minor
you just love the drama.
What are the names of all the pieces in the video?
Tchaikovsky: Makes your grandmother feel like she's 75 again.
Why did you choose ravel's string quartet as an ending piece?
It was one of the only classical music pieces on the music license platform I use.🙌🏻
Never realised Debussy looked like Leonardo DiCaprio until you did the honours and pointed it out, cheers
Thanks🙌🏻😂
Please list each piece of music with the composer in future videos.
A few are recognizable but not all. Thanks.
When will we hear your compositions?