I dont think the axis coaster is good for big parks like sixflags/cedar fair or sea world/united parks. But i do think it would be perfect for small parks or even one of those places with SBF visa spinners. The capicity on this thing is bad, but that doesn't really matter for parks really small with less crowds
Biggest issue I can imagine will be capacity. As for whether it'll be a flop though, it depends what counts as a flop to S&S, surely when cooking up this idea it crossed their mind that they might not sell many of these, maybe they worked out that selling just 4 or 5 of them would qualify the ride model as a success, making the project worthwhile etc. (I don't know how many they'd need to sell obviously, just saying given their track record with these funky-idea rides, they probably know they're not gonna be selling dozens and dozens of these, but enough to make it a success).
I'm afraid Kennywood would have to take down Steel Curtains and start all over on it with a new layout built by a different manufacturer. Vekoma could help turn it around if S&S can't pull it through or S&S would need to get help from other coaster manufacturers
@@chalkcoasters I doubt that if Their Axis Coaster will fail when it's built using cheaper equipment. So Kennywood and S&S would have to talk things out then work together. Borrow the Dence Supports from Intamin, talk about redesigning the track and the trains. They need help or find help for them. S&S would have to refund Kennywood so the park can take it down and start over on Steel Curtains using the heavy and expensive equipment they need.
If we see one built, I guess it depends on the ride experience - if it's popular/in demand enough, the novelty factor could be enough to convince parks to buy one. Some rides are just really fun, and that attracts people. And if it's ultimately too low-capacity to stay long-term, a park conglomerate always has the option to send it to their other parks and hype it to a new audience (looking at you, six flags). The mechanical reliability issue does seem unfortunately likely, though. It seems unlikely to be the next Batman chairlift coaster, but could be moderately successful.
I'm sorry but these were some of the most unfunded arguments I've ever heard. Cost/complexity wise I think they will be pretty similar to their Free spin models. As that's a proven concept and has technical aspects that can be used into this design. As it's only the train that's unique it's going to be way cheaper then the 4d coasters as with those the Track and track design is way more complex and the biggest cost. Capacity; depends all on what a park is looking for and layout. Look at the gerstlauer infinity coasters, they have versions with 2 row trains up till a 5 row version and offer even up to 8. So the train length can be varied up to customer demand, as we see with the announced one featuring a shorter train. But most importantly: capacity 80% layout design. Hagrid's coaster has alot of block brakes and a seperate unloading and loading station, making it have way more capacity then the flight of the hypogrive. Also: in the original design they where clever enough to design the station in the inverted position. Making loading and unloading way easier and not as complex as a b&m Floorless coaster with the dropping floors. Competition: it's all about what the park is looking for and what the manufacturer can offer. Also, that b&m surfcoaster was also a gamble for the park and not a safe bet. Yes it's a b&m but there's a reason b&m haven't built a stand-up for so long. And finally reliability: only time will tell. Yes this coaster is complex but it's not world shocking or anything like that. I mean, FLY in Phantasialand is way more complex than axis will be. I think the one coming to the entertainment centre will probably be cloned if it's operating up to standard. And I think that seeing a bigger one will then not be too rare. But mostly I expect to see the little ones boom first in these indoor parks, cause of the small footprint.
yea exactly. this dude made a ton of baseless claims with zero credibility. never underestimate a coaster enthusiasts ability to act like they know something they know nothing about
Free spins have seemed to have died down or dropped off. Also family boomerangs don’t have high capacity since family coasters normally get less crowds. If capacity wasn’t a concern anymore, then B&M wouldn’t be dominating.
I think parks do care about capacity when buying a new major coaster (which an axis most likely will be). Freespins were only popular because of six flags, and family boomerangs aren't meant to be a major addition, so I'd expect a park to not care about capacity as much.
I think parks do care very much actually, like Europa Park's new coaster Voltron (they are obsessed with capacity at that place), though maybe a bit of that is Mack trying to flex the capabilities of their products :)
What do you think about the axis coaster?
I want one in my backyard.
@@FAFO4wisdomIt would be awesome to have that in a backyard
I dont think the axis coaster is good for big parks like sixflags/cedar fair or sea world/united parks. But i do think it would be perfect for small parks or even one of those places with SBF visa spinners. The capicity on this thing is bad, but that doesn't really matter for parks really small with less crowds
I think you're right, but I also think an axis costs a little more than an SBF visa, so small parks might not be able to afford one
If a single rail is good enough for six flags park then this definitely will be
@@schagerbaantje your right, but IDK if six flags will buy it because of the merger
Biggest issue I can imagine will be capacity. As for whether it'll be a flop though, it depends what counts as a flop to S&S, surely when cooking up this idea it crossed their mind that they might not sell many of these, maybe they worked out that selling just 4 or 5 of them would qualify the ride model as a success, making the project worthwhile etc. (I don't know how many they'd need to sell obviously, just saying given their track record with these funky-idea rides, they probably know they're not gonna be selling dozens and dozens of these, but enough to make it a success).
I'm afraid Kennywood would have to take down Steel Curtains and start all over on it with a new layout built by a different manufacturer. Vekoma could help turn it around if S&S can't pull it through or S&S would need to get help from other coaster manufacturers
I'm hoping the park can save it 🤞
@@chalkcoasters I doubt that if Their Axis Coaster will fail when it's built using cheaper equipment. So Kennywood and S&S would have to talk things out then work together. Borrow the Dence Supports from Intamin, talk about redesigning the track and the trains. They need help or find help for them. S&S would have to refund Kennywood so the park can take it down and start over on Steel Curtains using the heavy and expensive equipment they need.
If we see one built, I guess it depends on the ride experience - if it's popular/in demand enough, the novelty factor could be enough to convince parks to buy one. Some rides are just really fun, and that attracts people. And if it's ultimately too low-capacity to stay long-term, a park conglomerate always has the option to send it to their other parks and hype it to a new audience (looking at you, six flags). The mechanical reliability issue does seem unfortunately likely, though. It seems unlikely to be the next Batman chairlift coaster, but could be moderately successful.
I'm sorry but these were some of the most unfunded arguments I've ever heard.
Cost/complexity wise I think they will be pretty similar to their Free spin models. As that's a proven concept and has technical aspects that can be used into this design. As it's only the train that's unique it's going to be way cheaper then the 4d coasters as with those the Track and track design is way more complex and the biggest cost.
Capacity; depends all on what a park is looking for and layout. Look at the gerstlauer infinity coasters, they have versions with 2 row trains up till a 5 row version and offer even up to 8. So the train length can be varied up to customer demand, as we see with the announced one featuring a shorter train. But most importantly: capacity 80% layout design. Hagrid's coaster has alot of block brakes and a seperate unloading and loading station, making it have way more capacity then the flight of the hypogrive. Also: in the original design they where clever enough to design the station in the inverted position. Making loading and unloading way easier and not as complex as a b&m Floorless coaster with the dropping floors.
Competition: it's all about what the park is looking for and what the manufacturer can offer.
Also, that b&m surfcoaster was also a gamble for the park and not a safe bet. Yes it's a b&m but there's a reason b&m haven't built a stand-up for so long.
And finally reliability: only time will tell. Yes this coaster is complex but it's not world shocking or anything like that. I mean, FLY in Phantasialand is way more complex than axis will be.
I think the one coming to the entertainment centre will probably be cloned if it's operating up to standard. And I think that seeing a bigger one will then not be too rare. But mostly I expect to see the little ones boom first in these indoor parks, cause of the small footprint.
That's a good counter to my argument. Only time will tell who's right...
yea exactly. this dude made a ton of baseless claims with zero credibility. never underestimate a coaster enthusiasts ability to act like they know something they know nothing about
Well after Gale Force and Steel Curtain, who's going to take the risk?
Parks don’t really care about capacity anymore. If they did, we wouldn’t be seeing free spins everywhere, or the family boomerangs.
Free spins have seemed to have died down or dropped off. Also family boomerangs don’t have high capacity since family coasters normally get less crowds. If capacity wasn’t a concern anymore, then B&M wouldn’t be dominating.
I think parks do care about capacity when buying a new major coaster (which an axis most likely will be). Freespins were only popular because of six flags, and family boomerangs aren't meant to be a major addition, so I'd expect a park to not care about capacity as much.
I think parks do care very much actually, like Europa Park's new coaster Voltron (they are obsessed with capacity at that place), though maybe a bit of that is Mack trying to flex the capabilities of their products :)
I hope you're wrong