The First Dual Touchscreen Laptop! Libretto W100 from 2010
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- Taking a retrospective look at the Toshiba Libretto W100, an innovative dual 7-inch touchscreen UMPC from 2010! The final machine in the fabled Libretto line and the first consumer notebook with twin touch LCDs. A rare, fascinating, cutting edge Windows 7 system when new, and still an uncommon way of doing things today.
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00:00 I love Librettos
00:33 The Libretto W100
03:52 Unboxing the box
08:03 Usability woes
10:10 Touch screen testing
14:25 Stylus pen issues
15:06 Toshiba software
17:05 Book Place ebook reader
18:41 Multitasking
19:25 Benchmark fail
20:15 DOSBox
21:35 Solitaire
21:54 RollerCoaster Tycoon
22:43 Quake III
23:34 Minecraft
24:27 DS game emulation
25:56 Libretto Piano
26:29 Results are wonky!
#LGR #retro #computer #laptop #touchscreen - Наука та технологія
no matter the year, i look at a small laptop gadget and my brain goes "i want that......"
always loved seeing them back in the day.... Boy did reality kick in when we got an eee PC...
Same, I think the Nintendo DS left a permanent imprint on my brain
@@thomasxl200
Da-ding-di-dling.
Same. The netbook era really imprinted on my mind. I miss 12" laptop😢
Me too, if it wasn't such garbage.
Things from 2010 are already considered retro, time is going so fast.
14 years ago. 14 *years ago*. god, that 2010 was 14 years ago.
I still think 20 years ago is 1980
Still compatible, quirky tech is getting dirt cheap, right before getting unreasonably expensive and retro.
If you really want to feel old, that first laptop shown was released 14 years before that one.
Time appears to get faster every single year.
Wow, a Toshiba DS!
Dang, you beat me to it.
Great for ds emulation, I guess
@@ValentinaDiNapoli-bh7dsprobably not actually, my desktop from around that time had a hard time with later DS games. Especially Gen V Pokemon, that was playable with frame skip set to max
Nintendo 4DS
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I thought, “2010? Wasn’t all that obsolete.” Then I realized it was 14 years ago, and reviewing it now is like reviewing my first PC from 2003 in 2017.
I mean yeah kinda but the early half of the 2010s didn't see much happening in tech except for SSDs becoming mainstream and affordable, 2003 to 2017 was much more of a jump in processing power than 2010 to 2024 is. :)
Desktop pc's from 2010 are still good for something, but this crap, naah. It was slow even then.
Nokia was still putting out phones with Symbian OS in 2010.
oh my god the realization hit me like a BRICK. 2003-2017 does NOT feel like its the same time as 2010-2024 yet here we are
being a child really does warp our perception of time doesn't it?
sometimes I still think the year 2000 is not that long ago..
When a product advertises Bing on the front of the box, you know you're in for a good time lmao.
I hear it's Zune compatible.
I want to take Windows home for the weekend 😭
in 2010 that was very bad move but these days bing is honesty on par or slightly better than google but that is mostly because google got worse but there are more alternatives
Yooo
Bing is very Snappy-
On-Point & Powerful Search engine..
As a longtime XBOX guy I originally switched over so i could take advantage of the free buckets full of Microsoft Points but after a few days it quickly becomes my go-to
main browser.
@@belstar1128 Bing's great! I honestly can't remember the last time I used Google to search.
I really like the Give option in the Bing Rewards.
I just search things like normal, & do short quizzes, & it donates money to the charity (or animal shelter in my case) of my choosing!
"A sluggish ballsack" is my new favorite description, for old, slow tech 🤣
My favorite LGR term for underpowered hardware is "A wet roll of toilet paper for a GPU" when mentioning either underpowered video cards, or just integrated graphics.
When describing dial up internet back in the day, when someone asked me what speed I got, I said, "My internet is as slow as a slug and a snail on a sidwalk." Thankfully the internet grew up and technology with it, so now I get 450mbps down. Still not gigabit no, but far faster then 30kbBps down. lol
@@stellarproductions8888 LOL. When a PC was unreasonably slow, I used to say it was slower than a snail on tranquilizers!
That was my highschool nickname!
Actually had a friend who had one of these, he was just in love with the idea of a mini pocketable laptop, he could afford it because he spent his tax return on it. The following year he even spent his return on upgrades (you can upgrade the SSD in it I believe, but I know he put a 256 GB SSD in it) he actually used it as a daily driver with the extended battery. I remember thinking it was neat but nowhere near worth the cost. But hey, it wasn't mine, it was his and he seemed happy with it, he was always looking for a reason to show it off to people (esp ladies at the coffee shop and such)
does it work with ladies? Asking for a friend
“Check this out, ladies: it’s twice as large as it appears.”
I lost it @5:03 when LGR said, "but hey, you can store it on a shelf, like a weirdo, so THAT'S something" 🤣
I mean if you are concerned about security, nobody would ever find it.
@@MrWolfSnack LMFAO 😂😂😂😂
Read this exactly as he was saying it. 😂
@@LethargicSquirrel LMFAO, this is great. I love it when that happens
"Just because we can means we absolutely must", someone at Toshiba, probably
I like that now you're covering old tech that was contemporary to the start of your channel. Although this thing was a odd gimmick that was probably obsolete the moment it came out, let alone even like 2-3 years later.
the part that's fascinating to me, is that if dual-touch screens became popular, if there was a "killer app" for them; all the wonkiness would easily be fixed. If it went viral and profitable to make, we'd probably have perfectly good dual touchscreens now! The technical problems were minor, it's just that people didn't like it enough to put up with the glitches. In a parallel universe somewhere, dual touchscreens dominate the 2020s! lol
@@squirlmy it was more that ultra portable stuff back then was barely usable for contemporary applications and websites. Not that we still don't shovel out barely usable slop, but they're rarely as imaginative.
This comment hurt down deep lmao.
It's great that even in the 2010s tech companies were still making overly expensive, overly ambitious products doomed to fail by being ahead of their time.
"But your kids are gonna love it."
Me: see cute little laptop
My brain: *Neuron activation*
I have one of these in my lounge room. I use an online interactive TV guide over both screens. Sliding up and down shows me all of the channels. And left/right lets me scroll through the time of day.
For this alone, it's excellent.
Ooh yeah I can see that! Simple little tasks are ideal for this thing.
How is it better than a tablet though? Seems bulkier and clunkier than an iPad or android or even a windows tablet without any upside in that specific use case.
@@JaredConnell The true way of the tinkerer is to make niche and bizarre gadgets do mundane things that would be more easily accomplished on common devices. So I'd say this Libretto is an ideal TV guide.
@@JaredConnell : For that use-case, the clunkiness seems almost identical. The real inconvenience would be getting the device and setting it up, not it's differences from a tablet.
@@JaredConnell did you miss the part about dual touchscreens? I guess if you can get split screen on an Android tablet, maybe there's an app for doing that specifically? Considering it never leaves the room, it just has to be in range of sight of the TV; bulk and clunkiness isn't a problem. If you are so lazy you can't pick up something the size and weight of a paperback book to bring to your chair, I guess a tablet would be better?
That webcam gave me flashbacks to watching the news in 2004 during moments where they'd make a video call with some random expert at home haha. What a wild device. Love it.
I’m glad someone else hears it! 😂
I can't tell how often I see documentaries were the "experts" still seem to have such webcams :D
hearing that this came out around the same time as the iPad was a heart dropping experience
I'm so OLD AAAAAA
Steve Jobs said that the iPhone was originally supposed to be a tablet (which Apple had a history of with the Newton).
@Myth1221 thank god youre still hot
I am REALLY digging the velour interior of that case. Extravagance I can get behind.
21:38 the sign of a true old school enthusiast. Cuts on hand possibly from metal pc cases 🤣
YUP. Darned razor-edged 3.5" hard drive cages.
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I love the tech from this period. It was a time where the iPhone was a few years old, people knew that touchscreens were The Future, but we still weren’t able to figure out how to design for them without using older mental models of existing tech (laptops, for example). It’s fascinating from a cultural and user experience point of view!
@@oliverdurgen5953omg, you are so wrong and it’s so sad
@oliverdurgen5953 you answered your own question. Dumb ass
oliver im not sure where you’re at but for me touchscreens are getting to the point where theyre inescapable, enough to drive at least me crazy. car infotainment systems, POS’s, self checkouts, abms, service kiosks, thermostats, the list goes on, and is ever expanding. Theyre cheaper than custom buttons and physical ux, definitely the present and future for better or worse…
@@oliverdurgen5953 Buddy, 2010 smartphones were relatively a new thing, not widespred yet, many still used "dumbphones". Same for tablets. So yeah touchscreen tech was the future. Have in mind many, many people don't even have/bother with, a computer, all they know is their cellphone touchscreen, specially z gens.
@@Ordlnary_Gamer : Eh, depends on use-case. Touch screens are mostly not a desktop thing, and often not a laptop thing. On tablets and phones they're almost universal, but on more "conventional" desk-like use cases separate interfaces like touch pads & mice are genuinely superior. This isn't even new either, as it had been determined from tests back before the 90s that "face forward" was the ideal case for screens, and "arms low and horizontal" was the ideal case for input, rendering touch screens ill-advised.
Awesome video! Quick tip for anyone with a W100/W105, take the battery out before you store this machine. I got mine out the other day and the battery had bulged badly. Was lucky that it had not damaged the bottom screen but it was very close to catastrophe. Will be doing a repair of this in a future video.
Just wanted to say thank you for implementing captions in your videos :) Love all your content!
The galaxy fold and surface duo prove that this kind of "laptop" is just super cool.
and mostly useless...
Amazon Kindle if jeff actually made it look like a book
Kindle isn't supposed to be cool, it's supposed to be cheap.
@@harryshuman9637neither it's designed to make you pay for a book you dont actually own (if your gonna correct me let's get it right) 😂
@@BaileyMagikzExcept you can read epub and pdf files on a Kindle. Try again.
@@BaileyMagikz That's why you acquire the books for free and sideload them.
No one wants to hold a big, foldable tablet like a book. I want to agree, but that kind of e-reader sounds impractical.
I'm a European living in Canada (never had to learn US measurements) and I can't tell you how grateful I am that you showed the weight of the laptop in both US and metric!
I have a few retro Toshiba Laptops. This one I saw at a store. Played with it, till the novelty wore off. For resistive touch, I had a Jornada 720, so I was used to the lag and limitations. They didn't bother me. Back then it was a hassle to deal with dual displays. Software had to be compatible with weird orientations and aspects and this was one odd format that didn't really fit anywhere. I enjoyed my Portege with a Wacom pen a lot more. That laptop I took everywhere. I'd take it outdoors and sketch nature on it. It was amazing to have. A coworker once walked over the power cord and dropped the computer off my desk. It didn't even break. I had it for many years, till the tablet portion finally broke. I still miss it.
to me it sounds like a way to ruin getting out and "touching grass". lol that's just me, though. I like setting boundaries for my screens, and this would just be TOO convenient.
This is like a cross between the Nintendo DS and a NetBook on Windows 7. I love it! That device is something unique.
Watching LGR laying back and relaxing, it's like Christmas
Yes uwu
@@SnowBunneh :3 XD
5:51 much appreciated, units i understand 😅
The way Clint said "EeeReader" had me belly laughing
It's either that or a high-pitched scream. Eeeeeeeee!
Caught me off guard too.
That got a chuckle out of me as a DankPods viewer as DankPods used to have an EeePC he used for when he needed windows on a video and he always pronounced the "Eee" in a very similar way to this
Eeepeecee
I see him putting dankpods reference there.
I remember sitting at my desk in the support department at work on my lunch break and seeing that and wondering if I could sell an organ quickly enough to get one. Seeing this I still admire the machine, but in retrospect I'm glad I kept my kidney lol
I remember having one of those. I sold it for twice as much lol.
Clint's cat got him.
Oh man, I remember reading about this in the news and wanting it real bad.
I like the featured Libretto piano app designed specifically for playing chopsticks.
Hello, Clint.
I just wanted to say that I feel really happy for you and your success on this platform. I am so glad that you are interested in things like this, because then I wouldn't be interested in it, and there wouldn't be an inspiration for me and so many other tech enthusiasts. You sure are a true inspiration to me and so many others that I cannot express enough how much I look up to you as a rando in high school (rotfl). Hope to see you at VCF sometime!
LGR with coffee on a Friday morning. Perfect.
The alignment face on the facial recognition app is so funny.
As a fan of micro sized things, this laptop speaks to me lol
8:10 Thats the first time I've seen WinAmp in many many years...so much nostalgia...
I liked Winamp enough that on one of the Mac minis I've had over the years I used either Wine or Crossover to get it working under macOS. All those keyboard shortcuts, and I prefer the simple clean way it does library and plstlist management to anything else, even now.
Look two Garys replied to your comment! Also love winamp. They came back a few years ago but now it looks like they're focusing more on the streaming aspect.
@@garydiamondguitaristThere was a macOS native version of Winamp for a while.
@@AnxiousGary Two Garys eh? Couple more and it'll be a Fallout 3 reference.
I usually just listen to music on UA-cam now, but it really doesn't whip the llama's ass ...
"But hey! you can store it on the bookshelf, like a weirdo!" man I chuckled with this one
Really enjoyed you covering this little oddity. Also appreciate the PlayBook shoutout; that device would be a good one to cover, too!
This thing had a removable battery. There is no excuse for modern companies.
Always nice to find a new LGR pop up in my feed after making breakfast and hoping on my pc.
Odd device to be sure. I am a bit fascinated by the split keyboard options, regardless.
16:26 Oh my...
Wait, i missed a video from you about the first Dune game?! Time and time again i am amazed by the goodness that your channel splurts out onto my screen!
Pause
The W100 is truly a fascinating and quirky machine - I really should try and dig mine out and check it still behaves.
Finally! After a rough week a new LGR video is lotion for the soul.
That Ayaneo flip DS Looks so cool
Absolutely awesome video my man. I love the videos that you put out. I've been watching your channel a lot lately
Nothing better than some good old oddware with the most relaxing voice I know 😊
I love the little netbooks, handhelds and lunchbox pc's. Not always best price or performance but always interesting.
Some, like the Sony VGN-T250P were very desirable back in the day. They were also more expensive than full size laptops.
Looking for one of these online and wow are they expensive. At around $700.00 but tbh I may end up buying one sometime. I love tech, its part of the reason why I love your channel
Good god, I feel even older now. I remember lusting after this gadget 14 years ago... I came very, very close to buying one.
The fingers part bro!🤣🤣🤣
5:12 I'm glad to see you're still rocking that shirt from Marshall Fields, Clint. It's a rad design.
It's honestly one of my favorites at this point.
As a Zenbook Duo owner I'm just glad to see it get a shout, had two and they're both really neat laptops.
I honestly did not expect to hear someone even mention the blackberry playbook
Was give one as a gift and it... worked I guess
I miss little tiny laptops. I was a staunch desktop user when they were still popular and thought they were so pedestrian. Now I think they're absolutely charming, and we actually have the technology for them now, but they're nowhere to be found.
Every company discontinued Netbooks when tablets and smartphones became popular. It's funny. They are "competitors" but make the same syncronized moves.
@@karlimo4034 That's because once they see a product become wildly successful they want to jump on the bandwagon. #BecauseMoney
@@karlimo4034Smartphones killed the market for limited function PCs like netbooks because they're just better at being limited function PCs. People only bought netbooks because smartphones were too primitive and expensive to take over that market yet.
There were a few netbooks that were halfway decent back then as long as you avoided the ones with the 1024x600 displays. I had an Asus Eee PC 1215N and it was actually a really decent little computer. As long as you stuck with older titles it would run quite a few games pretty well. I was impressed when I got Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory running on it at the highest settings at 1366x768, and it ran really well. It was a 6-7 year old game at the time but running it on such a tiny laptop was cool.
@@2Plus2isChicken2013 I agree with you. I have a Sony Vaio PCG-4V1L / VPCW121AX netbook and it has a nice 1366x768 display, and that's about the only thing nice about it. It's a total snail when running Windows 7 Starter (and runs the fan all the time under normal operation). I managed to install HaikuOS on it for the heck of it, just to see if it runs any better, and even that manages to start every other bootup. :(
There were a few contemporary mobile-aimed linux distros, like Moblin for example. Might be worth trying out
My dad used to bring a libretto home from work and I'd play Warcraft 2 on it in my room. I've been trying to figure out what computer it was for years now, I just remembered it being very small and having the mouse buttons on the screen. The intro to this video finally helped me figure it out, thank you!
Gives me vibes of a character from one of my favorite DS games- they have a tablet that looks a lot like this.
And with these W100's, good luck getting a battery for them. Tried getting a battery for mine twice, both times didn't work out. Either way, an interesting little machine i'll say.
I've been there. My first W100 didn't come with a battery, I checked every random battery seller listing generic batteries, and the couple that said they had them didn't actually. Radwell seems to specialize in obsolete tech said they had them, but don't. There was an eBay seller that had NOS batteries, but was overseas and it ended up getting confiscated because eBay international shipping doesn't allow loose lipo batteries not in a device. You kind of need a battery since it's part of the base and keeps it from tipping over. I ended up buying a bad puffed pack (so much that couldn't even plug into the machine) and just opened it up and removed the cells and added some equivalent tire weights. Later I picked up a Japanese spec model that a little life in the battery. I've upgraded the storage in mine, and uploaded disc/drive images to the internet archive
Argh, tell me about it. I've been seeking and failing to find a good battery _that's actually in stock_ for years now.
Thanks for uploading that stuff, @jasonnovak2121! It came in handy here since mine was missing a couple of programs.
My wife walked in at 16:26 🙈 that was fun to explain
Thanks for mentioning that the Blackberry Playbook existed ❤
LGR in the morning, with coffee. What a life.
It's afternoon right now. And I wont drink second coffee
Yup sure is.
Amen. My coffee comes with a side order of Welsh cakes 🏴🍥
@@ens8502Second coffee promotes productivity. Third is pushing it. Fourth and your stomach might make weird noises.
@@garydiamondguitaristwhat happens with fifth
After being sick all week, this is a lovely thing to wake up to, thanks Clint
Get well soon, BIGBRASSBALLS
@@LGRhehehe
@@LGR Don't forget the FARTS! 😂
I'm glad to hear this video made your day better. Take care BBB.
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Around 2014 I bought Dell Venue 8 Pro Windows 8 8" tablet with anemic quad core Intel Atom Z3740D with passive cooling at 2W TDP and still have a category in Steam library for games that run nicely with touchscreen support:
Magicka: Wizards of the Square Tablet
Sproggiwood
Guild of Dungeoneering
Deep Dungeons of Doom
They released another Venue 8 Pro to follow that, with a Cherry Trail Atom x5 Z8500 instead. Except Dell apparently didn't realize the increased thermals of that chip, so the thing would start throttling on even the slightest workload. Your Z3740D actually had better sustained performance, certainly for gaming. And so that pretty much killed Dell's 8" Windows tablet aspirations. Kind of a shame.
As a collector, that would be a cool addition to my Toshiba Libretto 70CT. But all these Libretto things are failing in terms of usability. And this W100 takes the cake. The idea is very cool tbh.
i got a zfold 5 and im actually really happy with it the multi tasking is insane.
I'm a Surface Duo user. Even with a more modern touch OS like Android 12L, a lot of apps still do not have their UX optimized due to the niche market share. Battery consumption for dual screens is also a big problem. But still, multitasking is a killer feature and I still use it everyday, despite its battery is getting old and Microsoft no longer updates it.
Honestly never knew about this one. First thought for me was wondering if an Android version would work on it Maybe 7 or 8. Great vid, I love looking back at things I missed back in the day. Thanks.
Android X86 probably
Holy hell those fans
It's amazing that such a product ever made it to sale. So many issues.
Immediate first thought.
Someone make a DS Emulator that uses both screens.
You can stretch the window to span both screens in any emu.
Drastic emulator on a Surface Duo or Surface Duo 2 with a controller-grip. Best gaming emulation experience you can get for DS games.
@@BrandonFrisbyor you could just buy a 3ds
You will have gaming controls nor performance. Despite the cool form factor it is sadly not suitable for DS emulation.
When I first saw this I thought Toshiba had made a handheld "libretro" emulator system.
Another item for the "I want a modern version of this" list.
Neat piece of tech history.. My "PC" around this time was a 10" dell netbook but for lack of any home internet, I was using my palm centro for most stuff. Smartphones would remain as my primary computer for the next 6 years, lol.
palm centro?? i wanted one of those :(
I had numerous PDAs in middle and highschool but this second hand palm centro was my first connected one/ smartphone. It was capable enough to be my main internet for about a year. Was kind of in between WAP and real internet but for the time, this ability and it's other capabilities were fantastic. Solid little device with a good keyboard too. Palm also had a pretty well developed app library. @@ProbablyAnAmateur
"Compromised little package", I'll let you know that in many places that's an compromised _average_ package.
I have one, is unusable, loud as a jet plane, hot as a toaster
Lol you're a broke manchild, don't pretend you had money
I was gifted one in 2011. I very quickly realised why the person giving it to me wasn't to sad to see it go. It's a great novelty machine, but as much as I tried to make use of it, it just wasn't worth the hassle. The worst thing about it is the teeny tiny speaker that barely made any sound and once the fans kick in you can forget about hearing anything. Found a forum back in the day where someone managed to get windows 8 running on it, I assume since it was more touch screen "friendly", but the drivers was not doing a great job at making it all work so after trying it a few times myself I also gave up on the idea and reinstalled Win7.
It's really cool and I still have it (on a shelf) in my living room. Every now and then I'll take it out and just mess around with it for a couple a minutes.
This thing with a modern low-power Ryzen and 720p panels would be so cool! Still enough power for all tasks aswell as simpler games (or more) at 720p, much more battery life and probably, slimmer and lighter too! Less fan noise aswell ^^
That laptop case is like something from the 1960's. It's the kind of leatherette case you would get a reel to reel recorder inside.
The entire thing looks so antiquated; the fact this came out at the same time as the iPad and yet looks like a 2005 netbook is just so bizarre.
Ahhh 2010, when things were “futuristic” but obsolete. Even how we thought the future would be was obsolete 😅
I love how the midroll ad for this one was a ASUS Zenbook Duo - well played, Google.
Perfect video to watch with my morning tea
the one thing that I like with old hardware is that it is very durable. Works after 10 or 15 years. My 2 year old macbook (bought for a few thousand dollars) has dying screen and battery. I have a 15 year old laptop and it just works and I think it will work for another 10 years or more.
Speaking of Linux, Gnome is extremely touch-friendly. You will have to use extensions to mess with the windows and make them maximize on both displays, but the DE itself is tablet-optimized by design. Try slapping Fedora on here or something. Or 32-bit Debian.
Yeah, I don't think touch Linux was there yet in 2010, although development was going on. But modern Gnome would probably turn this thing into quite a neat, functional, and zippy little machine!
I saw the thumbnail before i saw the title and got excited this was a new modern product
That EeeBook part made me think of EeePC. Yea, I actually said, "It's time to bring out the EEEPC!" of DankPods fame. The EeePC was a netbook from around that time.
I loved the eeePC, it was cutely small.
I got a Dell mini 9 net book though, I still have it.
These things still go for $600. They are rare.
But can it play Super Mario 64 DS 😏
It's wild to me to see the iPad listed as a competitor to an old device reviewed by LGR. Guess that is just a sign I'm getting old!
Gives new meaning to the Toshiba Handi Book
No greetings? I am become sad
this is not so bad. cool concept. i say this as a mini pc admirer
Saving this vid to watch on iftar insha'Allah
Never heard of that brand and type. Is it a minilaptop aswell?
Fascinating piece of technology
Oh dang, happy Friday y’all!
I remember really wanting one of these around 2011. IDK why it just looked so cool and futuristic.
Back in the early 2000s when I was in middle school I wanted one so bad. My history teacher had one. He was one of the only teachers that I knew of to build a computer lab in classroom with his own money. He was a great teacher.
I have a Lenovo Yoga Book, it's the one with the e-ink keyboard. It surprisingly works very well. I have semi-retired it because it is a little bit obsolete, but I still use it, and it has a home in the same computer bag as I tote my newer daily driver in.
That JCD Guide to DOS and PC Performance is pretty cool.