This is truly an amazing camera and design. And in my opinion THE MOST RISKY AND GENUINELY ORIGINAL CAMERA Leica has ever made since the M. It's groundbreaking in every way and doesn't follow any trends or evolves from anything.. this camera is its own being and identity. And ultimately it failed for 3 reasons: - It was way ahead of it's time - It needed a FF (stabilized) sensor - It needed an EVF (badly) Had Leica done this and released it at an acceptable price point, this camera would taken over the market. But as a niche limited production APS-C point and shoot with a high price tag and commanding too much forgiveness because of all it's shortcomings, it had no chance. Leica conceptually did actually do almost everything right about it but didn't think it all the way nor did it follow thru or actually finished it. And when you have a great idea that is not fully realized or that stops half way, its all but guaranteed will fail. And so it did.. miserably. Leica itself literally abandoned the camera which is shocking to me.. to this day even the CL is still receiving for more upgrades and massive improvements to its interface and functions, while this camera literally died on release. And is a shame because this is an extraordinary idea and forward thinking design in more ways that most people realize even today or can grasp. I love this camera dearly and is of Leica's highest and lowest points at the same time. Capable of taking photos rivaling anything full frame with a grace, style and modern connection between machine and photographer like very few other cameras can, and looking and feeling just about like no other camera, this is a jewel, a masterpiece vision of what we can expect in cameras many years from now.
I don't think not having a stabilizer was that important. The best GR Ricoh made was the GRII. The II was the only GR post the GRD II (CCD, not APS-C sensor) *not* to have a stabiliser, however the II is the most revered. I think the TL2 failed simply because Leica for a change dared to be different, and Leica owners on the whole tend to be incredibly conservative. They also of course, really hate smartphones and the smartphone's affiliated cameras. The Leica TL2 is just too close to that smartphone experience for comfort. That said I wish Leica would bring to the table a TL3, as I am with you otherwise completely. What an extraordinary instrument.
I have the Leica T using M and R lens and I love it. The WiFi now works great with my IPhone. I also have X2 and it took beautiful pictures. Great video and reviews. 👍👍👍👍👍
Nice review…looks like a solid camera. You need the VF of course. Would complement my SL2S very well and use the same lens. You are absolutely correct when you said, you get one Leica and you want more Leicas…no kidding! I’m up to four so far… and coming!! Cheers..
Enjoyed your video. The sound quality is fine; only a few moments of sudden change in levels. I sold my T two years ago because, among other things, the lack of focus peaking. I believe TL2 now has focus peaking. Perhaps may get one. I did not upgrade from SL to SL2 because of the 46ish MP in the latter. Perhaps SL-s with its 24MP may be a better choice.
Thorsten, Many Thanks for another good review. TL2 is a fun camera but...... whilst its siblings CL and SL support the "exposure preview" on/off selection, it is not the case with TL2. This means TL2 can fire any manual flash but you will not be able to see what you are shooting when you set the A/S/ISO to match your manual flash's power. If you want the pleasure of looking and focusing on what you are shooting, you will have to pay for those very expensive Leica labelled flashes (like Leica SF40). Leica don't make flashes themselves. Leica SF40 is a Chinese made Nissin i40 with add on Leica TTL circuitry. The former is selling at £380 and the latter £78 in the UK. TTL flashs are usually quite unpredictable. Leica TTL is definitely unique and bring the unpredictability to a different level. Paying £300 for a feature that I don't need or use is heartbreaking. Come on Leica, please update your TL2 firmware and add that exposure preview on/off switch to this beautifully designed camera.
What’s your take about the M10D I am on the fence vs M10-P, I am worried I won’t use it as supposed I should which keep checking the photos in the app. right now I have M9 love the photos but the operation so slow and ISO is limited. Have MP film which I love.
If you have an M for a long time you become an “M-shooter”. Your camera becomes “second nature”. With me it is so ingrained I stay with my M9 as I know what the result will be with each lens. I cannot even buy a newer M at this point. This can happen to anyone with any camera, but is often mentioned with M cameras. Anyways, other cameras er also really good and your brain knows this, but your feelings for your existing camera is not ready to let go. So you end up with two cameras because you cannot decide.
TL2/CL doesn't have image stabilization, I'm wondering how important is that feature in reality, I only have one camera with sensor stabilization, but TL2 is so beautiful, I'm enticed to get one
It would have been impossible to keep the small dimensions and have sensor stabilisation. Check some image samples at ISO 1600 and above, if it’s acceptable to you, then you won’t miss it
This is truly an amazing camera and design. And in my opinion THE MOST RISKY AND GENUINELY ORIGINAL CAMERA Leica has ever made since the M. It's groundbreaking in every way and doesn't follow any trends or evolves from anything.. this camera is its own being and identity. And ultimately it failed for 3 reasons:
- It was way ahead of it's time
- It needed a FF (stabilized) sensor
- It needed an EVF (badly)
Had Leica done this and released it at an acceptable price point, this camera would taken over the market. But as a niche limited production APS-C point and shoot with a high price tag and commanding too much forgiveness because of all it's shortcomings, it had no chance. Leica conceptually did actually do almost everything right about it but didn't think it all the way nor did it follow thru or actually finished it. And when you have a great idea that is not fully realized or that stops half way, its all but guaranteed will fail. And so it did.. miserably. Leica itself literally abandoned the camera which is shocking to me.. to this day even the CL is still receiving for more upgrades and massive improvements to its interface and functions, while this camera literally died on release. And is a shame because this is an extraordinary idea and forward thinking design in more ways that most people realize even today or can grasp. I love this camera dearly and is of Leica's highest and lowest points at the same time. Capable of taking photos rivaling anything full frame with a grace, style and modern connection between machine and photographer like very few other cameras can, and looking and feeling just about like no other camera, this is a jewel, a masterpiece vision of what we can expect in cameras many years from now.
I don't think not having a stabilizer was that important. The best GR Ricoh made was the GRII. The II was the only GR post the GRD II (CCD, not APS-C sensor) *not* to have a stabiliser, however the II is the most revered. I think the TL2 failed simply because Leica for a change dared to be different, and Leica owners on the whole tend to be incredibly conservative. They also of course, really hate smartphones and the smartphone's affiliated cameras. The Leica TL2 is just too close to that smartphone experience for comfort. That said I wish Leica would bring to the table a TL3, as I am with you otherwise completely. What an extraordinary instrument.
I have the Leica T using M and R lens and I love it. The WiFi now works great with my IPhone.
I also have X2 and it took beautiful pictures.
Great video and reviews. 👍👍👍👍👍
Nice review…looks like a solid camera. You need the VF of course. Would complement my SL2S very well and use the same lens. You are absolutely correct when you said, you get one Leica and you want more Leicas…no kidding! I’m up to four so far… and coming!! Cheers..
Here we are several years after It launched, and the whole TL line has been disconued. But I am now considering buying a used one of these.
Beautifully informative! 👍🏼
Enjoyed your video. The sound quality is fine; only a few moments of sudden change in levels. I sold my T two years ago because, among other things, the lack of focus peaking. I believe TL2 now has focus peaking. Perhaps may get one. I did not upgrade from SL to SL2 because of the 46ish MP in the latter. Perhaps SL-s with its 24MP may be a better choice.
Thorsten, Many Thanks for another good review. TL2 is a fun camera but...... whilst its siblings CL and SL support the "exposure preview" on/off selection, it is not the case with TL2. This means TL2 can fire any manual flash but you will not be able to see what you are shooting when you set the A/S/ISO to match your manual flash's power. If you want the pleasure of looking and focusing on what you are shooting, you will have to pay for those very expensive Leica labelled flashes (like Leica SF40). Leica don't make flashes themselves. Leica SF40 is a Chinese made Nissin i40 with add on Leica TTL circuitry. The former is selling at £380 and the latter £78 in the UK. TTL flashs are usually quite unpredictable. Leica TTL is definitely unique and bring the unpredictability to a different level. Paying £300 for a feature that I don't need or use is heartbreaking. Come on Leica, please update your TL2 firmware and add that exposure preview on/off switch to this beautifully designed camera.
Hello, can you do magnify in manual focus?
What’s your take about the M10D I am on the fence vs M10-P, I am worried I won’t use it as supposed I should which keep checking the photos in the app. right now I have M9 love the photos but the operation so slow and ISO is limited. Have MP film which I love.
How to Magnification on M lens?
Is it still a good choice for 2021?
I just picked one up and its a great addition to my QM, and SL. It fills a need for me.
Cameras don't age. People do.
Does this camera have focus peaking?
What is a brighter camera? CL or TL2?
You mean lighter, the Leica CL is the lighter.
The CL has the built-in EVF which was critical for me.
If you have an M for a long time you become an “M-shooter”. Your camera becomes “second nature”. With me it is so ingrained I stay with my M9 as I know what the result will be with each lens. I cannot even buy a newer M at this point. This can happen to anyone with any camera, but is often mentioned with M cameras. Anyways, other cameras er also really good and your brain knows this, but your feelings for your existing camera is not ready to let go. So you end up with two cameras because you cannot decide.
Any stabilization?
S-Log?
Is there an E-mount adapter?
And then there is the CL …
TL2/CL doesn't have image stabilization, I'm wondering how important is that feature in reality, I only have one camera with sensor stabilization, but TL2 is so beautiful, I'm enticed to get one
It would have been impossible to keep the small dimensions and have sensor stabilisation. Check some image samples at ISO 1600 and above, if it’s acceptable to you, then you won’t miss it
@@eoghanhennessy15 look at Ricoh GRIII, sensor stabilized and smaller than any TL or CL with a brilliant 18mm lens.
Great review as always! The video quality from the TL2 is terrible. So digital and colours are horrible.