France to ban Muslim students wearing abayas in state schools - BBC News
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas - loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women - in France's state-run schools, the education minister has said.
The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.
France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.
Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.
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If Muslim countries can have their own dress codes, so can Western countries.
You claim to be secular tho ? and most muslim countries do not have a “dress code “ lol . have you ever traveled out if alabama ever ?
@@soud986 Who in their right mind would travel to a Muslim-run country (that isnt named the UAE) who isnt muslim lol... nothing of worth to see. Plus like 90% of them have the death penalty in place for Apostates anyway, thats just slightly worse than a dress code don't you think?
Claims to be secular, acts like a fascist.
agree. When i was in qatar i cant even stay in the same room with my girlfriend because we were not married. We followed their stupid rule anyway.
@@soud986 Secularists also have the right to defend themselves
Better to come back to school uniform, equality for everyone
Yah even with kids wearing normal clothes it's causes some to feel out of place if they are not wearing the right labels
@@NyanyiC right ! Would love to see those standard uniforms affordable for everyone 🙏
If you think uniform stops anything you are wrong.
@@NyanyiC labels aren't allowed that's the point of school uniform
100%agree with you
Well done France.
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Why
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@@shashankchauhan._ it's the god for islam
@@shashankchauhan._nonsense, the only god ever existed is the flying spaghetti monster
do that in UK too please.
People can't ware what they want?
@@positiveahay7167"wear"
@@positiveahay7167They can. but I am not sure about schools
@@positiveahay7167 not in school.
@@ihabhatim5825 you want students to wear less clothes? Sounds sus
Countrys culture and Laws should be followed.
What if a country has a law banning clothes. Would you be happy with that walking around butt naked cause I don't want to see your sorry ass whether it be on TV or in public
هناك مسلمات فرنسيات الاصل
@@user-ih5ht5ne1oso what...then why other religion womens are forced to wear in saudi..?
Laws can be questioned and peoples rights should not be dictated by culture.
@@Vagabond-00-kSaudi arabia is corrupt it’s the leaders but in France everyone is hating on islam and other Muslim countries never do stuff like this
*If nudity is choice, why not modesty?*
Thank you!
No.
Nudity nor religious symbols are a choice in French public schools.
@@mariatheresavonhabsburg *I am not prioritizing any religious choice, I am prioritizing my personal choice. This is my personal freedom.*
@@disableid
Well, not in publicly funded French institutions.
The sex slavery in Saudi Arabia in 1960 😏😏
France finally grew some balls. Now they just need to support that cop who shot that car thief kid and lock up all the rioters, cop did nothing wrong was just doing his job, the car thief kid got what he deserved no sympathy.
Same here. No sympathy ❌
Good step
Absolutely...europe is not a muslim continent ...tell them to FO
1 Corinthians 11: 'If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.'
That's why all religions are evil...this shit is 2000 years ago ...what relevance does it have today...
Yeah, the French are quite strict about this stuff and maintaining secularism in public spaces. When I was living there, I briefly converted to Sithism and they threw me out of public school because I insisted on turning up in my Darth Vader outfit.
It's almost like the Nazis never really left. They just went underground and worked their way to political power in the weakest country they had invaded.
France is a bastion of hypocrisy. Most public schools are still having Christmas parties during the Christmas holiday period. So it's clear that this new regulation is rooted in hatred for Muslims. It's time for France to be boycotted at every level by 56 majority Muslim countries.
Only a sith deals in absolutes!!
Nooooo!
The amount of shit ppl talk about ..make shit up and tell tales
Respect & Win France 🇫🇷 🗿
Недавнее решение Франции запретить ученикам-мусульманам носить абайи в государственных школах начиная с сентября 2023 года вызвало значительные споры. Хотя правительство называет причиной этого запрета светскость и сохранение французских ценностей, важно учитывать контраргументы, которые подчеркивают религиозную свободу и инклюзивность.
1. Защита свободы религии:
Франция является государством, которое гордится своей приверженностью свободе и индивидуальным правам. Запрет религиозного наряда, подобного абайе, ограничивает свободу мусульманских студентов открыто выражать свою веру. Необходимо защищать конституционное право каждого гражданина, включая студентов, исповедовать свою религию, не опасаясь дискриминации.
2. Содействие инклюзивности:
Разнообразное и инклюзивное общество извлекает пользу из вклада людей различного происхождения. Предоставление студентам возможности носить абайю способствует созданию условий, в которых учащиеся могут выражать свою культурную и религиозную самобытность, не опасаясь изоляции. Такая инклюзивность способствует созданию более богатого, более динамичного общества и способствует взаимопониманию между различными общинами.
3. Предотвращение стигматизации:
Запрет абайи может непреднамеренно клеймить мусульманских студентов, заставляя их чувствовать себя посторонними в своей собственной стране. Такое чувство отчуждения может препятствовать их академическому и социальному развитию, что может привести к дальнейшему расколу внутри общества.
4. Поощрение диалога:
Вместо введения запретов поощрение диалога и взаимопонимания между различными религиозными и культурными группами может помочь преодолеть пробелы и построить более гармоничное общество. Учебные заведения могут служить площадками для обучения терпимости и принятию, создавая лучшее будущее для всех граждан.
5. Создание прецедента:
Запрет на религиозное одеяние может создать опасный прецедент, который может быть использован для оправдания дальнейших ограничений религиозных свобод. Крайне важно тщательно рассмотреть долгосрочные последствия такой политики для принципов религиозной свободы и прав личности.
Хотя цель французского правительства поддерживать светскость и защищать свои ценности является действительной, не менее важно уважать основополагающий принцип религиозной свободы. Запрет абайи в государственных школах может непреднамеренно ущемлять права учащихся-мусульман и препятствовать прогрессу страны в направлении создания более инклюзивного и толерантного общества. Изучение альтернативных подходов, способствующих диалогу и взаимопониманию, в большей степени отвечало бы приверженности Франции свободе и правам личности.
YES , STAND UP FOR WESTERN CIVILIZATION !
Good on France
“iSLam iS opPresSive tO wOmEn” “sEcLurAiSm LiBeRaTeS wOMeN” 🤦🏽♂️
Here are some fun facts about women in Islam .According to Islamic culture woman is literally deficient in intelligence and most of them will go to hell because woman can't fast during period. Says Muhammad
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."
Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301
@@celestialsatheist1535 yeah you proper refuted us there now go head and change your gender and wave the rainbow flag 🤣🤣
Whether you like it or not, but it’s true.
Western hypocrisy at its finest 😂
Full support to France, UK can also follow the rules
Support for what? I thought everybody is free to wear whatever they want in the west?
@@user-en7jd3ff7owhat? It's not a religious cloth, it's a cultural outfit. People have a really weird obsession with what muslim women wear, no other people face this kind of abuse. Some people wear a dog leash other drag outfits and it's okay, but if a woman wants to wear a dress and she is muslim, it's not allowed??? Wth
@@surekeen1012muslim countries don’t give the same freedom to non muslim. What are you whining about
@@valsett3385 Yes they do you islampobe cave best stop spreading the outdated lie to support islamphobia you make me sick
@@valsett3385 I am a Muslim and in a Muslim country, and I am a student at a mixed university. There are of course universities that are not mixed, but what I would like to say is that the hijab is prevalent on university campuses, but there may be a small number who do not wear the hijab and they are Christians and they have complete freedom.
I see everyone to argue about the decision to prohibit abaya in France so I think I can explain you a little bit about that. I'm french so for some people who don't understand, laicity is really important here. One of the rules is that when you're in school, nobody can guess your religion. It means : don't show a neckless with a cross, a clothe in reference with religion or anything else, regardless of religion. It's cultural. For exemple, it's very frowned upon when a women wears the veil if she is an official (fonctionnaire) because she represents the state.
BUT BUT BUT for many french people, WE all know why the government forbidden abaya in school : it's only to not to speak of the bad conditions for teachers. Education in France is degrading, it's really serious because even students at university can't write their own language without making mistakes. Macron continues to worsen the working conditions of teachers : change the programs every year, reform of the baccalaureate, reform of the certificate, reform of profesionnal high schools to transform kids into slaves for companies (it's toi long to explain every mistakes he made). So, they think that if we forbidden abaya, people will forgot the real problem. And why they think it could work ? Because many (and it's true) french are racist. Talk about muslim, black people or just arab people and you'll found at least one person around you makes a racist comment.
And before someone kills me for m'y comment, it's just a french argument about this controversy. In fact, I don't have any opinion about it. If girls (or guys I don't care) want to wears an abaya AT school, why not at least it protects from the sun :)
(If someone wants to correct my english don't hesitate. I try to learn by myself so I don't use Google traduction)
And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them. Quran 4:15
They have the highest vitamin D deficiency of any women in the world. Look it up. Their men are nothing but wife beaters. You don't know these people, just another WOKIE blindly defending evil people corrupted by a religious form of communism and Marxism with martyrdom.
The argument that long loose dresses (abaya in Arabic but has many names in different cultures like Sari in India) point solely to Islam is just stupid as women around the world wear it Hindus, Christians, Muslims. Buddhists. Actually if France is really about not showing any religious symbols in public it should mandate the sbaya, because the absent of it point to one new religion Hollywood and the TV set invented just about 70 years ago. Don’t believe me? check your grandmother pictures.
@@moholah3745that’s great but what does adultery have to do with abaya?
You are confusing state-imposed atheism (as happened in the USSR and as happened in China) with secularism/laicism.
Germany, Italy and the UK are secular countries and none of them prohibit the display of crucifixes, abayas, hats, headdresses and more.
Who decides whether a garment is "religious" or not?
A headdress should not necessarily be considered to belong to a religion.
If a dress does not violate a state's good morals and/or dress code, you should not ban it.
Your state is a rogue state that preys on african countries and which, after having admitted hundreds of thousands of immigrants, is surprised that they do not want to assimilate your gallic-barbaric values and that they want to maintain their culture and values.
France is a chauvinistic rogue state
good decision
Is IT!?
@@viorelpiscanu9425
Yes, it is. Public schools should stay neutral.
@@annab9994 Ok... Just a Little pation, my dear... If You think all French CITIZENS belive likewise.... I am afraid not... Remember: In France all inhabitants are CITIZENS... No matter THEIR nationality or religion belive.... But IT is 2023! So many others are now in France even born there... Don't they have the right to chose how to wear chothes or what God to belive in!?
indians in full force in the comment section whenever it's about some muslim related topic. The obsession is real.
@@forebearing1320
What were you expecting after a thousand years of invasions ? A thank you note ?
It’s about time. We do not share their faith or their attire. Otherwise, they can always leave.
Respect the laws of the country you are in. Be grateful you were taken as a refugee. Remember the people that lost their loved ones back at home. Life could have been worse.
“Oh justice fOr Iranian wOmen” 🤡🤡🤡
Muslims aren't refugees there are ethnically French Muslims as well, and saying life could be worse is a retarded argument what France is doing is illegal under the un, NATO, and the European union which France is part of
Ur religion is a inferior one@@Fundamental_Islam.
Why I would be grateful for being a refugee especially if i am a refugee because of the western countries they’re literally there because france steals their resources create conflicts
You will see GOD existe and justices exist also
I have a question to angry Muslims - can Christians wear a cross in schools or any state buildings?
And do you allow Christian women not to wear hijab?
@@XAE_A_Xiiyes actually.
@@laalaa4303 so why when non-Muslim women travel to countries like Iran must wear hijab ?
Agreed
Well done... You must obey the laws in other countries, If you cannot do it, you shouldn't live there.
The laws of opression where the take away people their religious freedom. Isn't there freedom of religion. French facists will soon feel the pain and will be thrown out from Afrika
@@buzz5695They should continue to obey them as long as they keep staying in someone else country.
Then where is freedom ?
@oliahamed3506
Ok, go and wear a lgbt shirt in a Muslim country, lets see what they would do to you
There are many Muslim countries where you're completely free to wear whatever you want.
Follow the rules of the country or go somewhere else! Thank 😊 you France 🇫🇷
Let those go to where they came from .
I am french. The problem in France is the lack of teachers in schools, the low wages, the harrassment augmentation in schools were it became a national problem, the augmentation of students at schools doesn't correspond to the lack of teachers ! Yes they are badly paid ! There are really concerning problems in the educational system in France, but all they found was to ban the abaya, what's the point ? Well girls will now be wearing dresses until a way is found to forbid it...
Ok terrorist
Cela me rappelle les pays du tiers monde lorsque les institutions internationales et les pays puissants les obligent à adopter certaines lois contre leur gré ; la question EST QUI FORCE LA FRANCE ? il faut pas beaucoup d'intelligence pour repondre a cette question.
Ahh that explains it. They are too lazy to sort out the problems in the education system. So this is to divert the attention of the French public from the inefficacy of their own system. Touché.
Le franchoullard typique, léthargique, qui regarde docilement là où on lui ordonne de regarder pendant qu'on le viol en place public,.. Le français en a que faire de ces leurres, il veut du travail, il veut à manger dans son assiette, il veut pouvoir faire un plein de carburant sans saigner des yeux et des fesses, pouvoir partir en vacances et faire plaisir à ses gosses mais l'abaya, le burkini, le voile, c'est beaucoup plus important et c'est ça qui cause tout les maux de la Francisraël pendant que là-haut ça tape des coupes de champagne,.. Mais je ne suis pas inquiet il y a de vrais français intelligent qui ne se laissent pas berner,.. ceux-là ont tout mon respect.
The typical franchoullard, lethargic, who obediently looks where he is ordered to look while he is being raped in public,... The French don't care about these lures, he wants work, he wants food on his plate , he wants to be able to fill up with fuel without bleeding from his eyes and buttocks, to be able to go on vacation and please his kids but the abaya, the burkini, the veil, it's much more important and that's what causes all the ills of Francisrael while up there people are banging glasses of champagne,... But I'm not worried there are real intelligent French people who don't let themselves be fooled,... they have all my respect.
Excellent news! Remind people they're in France, not Libya or Syria.
Pigs why do hide your Identity@@buzz5695
Most Muslim countries and non-western countries will tell outsiders to abide by the rules of their own country. As the saying goes "Our country, our rules" and "Respect ours and we'll respect yours".
Now it's France's (a western country) turn to impose rules and many are going nuts. Damn! You should go back to the saying that you guys impose to the west when It's your own country's turn. Smh 🤷♂️
#doublestandards
No they don't and they don't try claiming they're all about freedom like the west does while contradicting itself. The hypocrisy is why people go nuts
How strange! So long as they’re getting a good education, why make that an issue?
Bruh it's the same issue that inflicted thousands of revolutions it's Religious RIGHTS
Because muslims want the french school to bend to their rules, or they get violent (Example: Teacher Samuel Patty got killed, etc). So they need to be reminded that school in france is SECULAR BY LAW.
@@lightshadernft8156shut up with your religious rights if you don’t want to live in a secular country move to a religious one
It’s France not the Middle East. Fair enough to remove signs of religious clothing
Middle East doesn't remove signs of religious clothing. And abayas arent religious clothing. They're cultural. School uniforms are the norm in the middle east with various options of knee length skirts, long skirts or trousers +/- a head covering. So maybe France should be more like the middle east if they're so keen to be secular and equal
@@laalaa4303wow, I never knew anyone can defy logic like you just did
Very very good
About time. Well done France. Now for the rest of Europe to do the same.
I bet half the people here in comments don't even know what an Abaya is to start with. I don't understand why covering your own body with loose clothes is a problem for anyone?
R8
Doesn't matter, I am not French it's their business what they decide to do in their schools.
@@zjeee why authorities are so aggressive in France to strict on dress?
@@zjeeelol that means you'll just watch when people are oppressed , congrats
And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them. Quran 4:15
Congratulations, the French still have their balls 🇫🇷👍🏻
How is this any different from what the taliban does ?
That headline would sound better if it ended 5 words earlier.
haha
Wish it was the uk
An abaya is a long, wide dress. France bans women from wearing long, wide clothes. A simple dress made from Zara can therefore be considered an abaya. It's crazy that France is forcing women to dress more openly and tightly.
It remains very comical that medieval losers go even more nuts then they already are when seeing the hair, arms legs of a woman.
@lovealwayscharlie1208 1. No, that's a lie. A long dress is not a symbol of a religion. It's like saying a beard is a religious symbol. If you wear long and wide clothes, you inevitably represent yourself as a follower of a religion🤡. You idiot, when you buy long and wide clothes from Zara, they almost look like an abaya.
@lovealwayscharlie1208 An abaya is a long, wide dress. Why is a long, wide dress a symbol of a religion?🤔
The Mother Mary who I was see her in the Hagia Sophia, SHE WEARING something like abayas. Is that right?
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You can wear whatever you want in your church/synagogue/mosque/temple. But public schools should stay neutral.
This feels like the opposite of separating state and religion. You're taking the people's rights of self expression in these cases. The state is intervening in the actions of people practicing their religion. I'm an atheist in a different country, I have nothing to gain or lose from this. However I just don't like people's freedoms getting taken like this.
#Jacobinist_Secular_Fundamentalism
Some are well-balanced & are not #Culturally_insecure_ideological_fanatics ❤️
Agreed!
Black box propaganda has to stop 😅
I will give you some good news, you don't have to live in France - you can pack up and go somewhere else. Nobody will stop you. As a European living abroad I can tell you it's very easy to just head to another European country to settle down should you be disappointed of certain rules.
@@Just-Music-24-7 your way is what let the women's be half naked lol y'all have a saying you have the right to express how you wanna dress right so why does it bother people so much that they can't see a Muslim women/girls hair is a big deal or y'all not see their body is a big deal listen it's okay if y'all wanna see our beautiful hair and body just say it clear without using a law France law goes like this you can be half naked or full naked it's fine but the moment I can't see your hair or body I'm gonna use a law to allow me to be a creep....first it's the way people dress and their beliefs then comes allowing rapist to rape then allow child molester to pick any child the want and rape....
Good on France 👍
@@buzz5695islam defenders always comment dumb stuff to counter an argument. Hmm I wonder why... Oh yeah, they're told to obey and not to question since birth. Yeah that immensely impacts their critical thinking.
Shame on France🇫🇷🤮🤮🤮👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
Stop oppressing kind muslim people!!!
@@buzz5695 true true. But those are clearly man made rules and people will stand up against them one way or another. Can't say the same about "holy" laws that allegedly came from god though
England 🇬🇧 needs to take notes bravo 👏 France ! 🇫🇷
Lol, most Muslim countries allow people to wear whatever they like, whether in schools or in public. I'd understand if schools in France required uniforms, but they ONLY object when a Muslim student dresses modestly, yet no one complains if a non-Muslim wears a long dress! In my MUSLIM country, students are permitted to wear anything they like; some Muslims wear hijab, some do not, and no one complains; unlike you, it is 2023, and we allow individuals to wear whatever they want. Let people wear what they want. I wonder who is truly backward?
So teachers are allowed to FORCE LGBTQ on kids at schools and no one is complaining, but when someone chooses to be proud of his religion he's not allowed? Then the LGBTQ movement should also STOP their rubbish and stop forcing it on kids! Hypocrites bunch of racists
Go England 🇬🇧, European countries have your back ❤️
First you take permission from BBC 😅😅😅😂
School is all about about learning not for religious beliefs wearing hijab etc .
Well done France. Muslims must respect western culture if they want to live in a western nation. We are not obliged to respect their culture.
Not how respect works
So why tell people you stand for religious freedom? You have no argument against Muslim countries. You yourself are intolerant of other cultures
Oh so not covering/modesty & nakedness is western culture? Got it. Whilst you're at it maybe don't try harp on about freedom of religion then. Hypocritical and morally corrupt.
it is not possible to define what is an abaya, a long coat will also do or even a little shorter or a long dress. they should introduse school uniformes if they really want to hide everything that could be understood as Islamic
School uniform is a great leveller they should all be wearing the same thing then there can be no arguement
Learn to spell.
@@janeevans5132Absolutely. Kids can be extremely elitist and bully each other over clothes and shoes.
Dual standard! This is actually a cultural genoxcide!
@@_destroyeroftheworlds why did lindu boys and girls were red thread in their hand.
You MUST respect the country’s values ESPECIALLY if you’re an immigrant. As a Chinese I know this so well and I can faithfully say this is what we all should do. Wherever you go, you plant your roots in the new country and get rid of your old values that are holding you back. 落叶生根
Bias stems from ignorance
Despite being a muslim i would not blame French Govt for imposing ban on "Abaya". These are outside circumstances which are beyond the control of a school-going muslim girl. However what i strongly believe is a true muslim abandons everything that doesn't let him/her practice his/her religion properly, even if it is education...
Agree, I believe there are other ways to dress modestly, but it would be too hard and dangerous for the kids to stop pursuing education. Homeschooling maybe?
@Pierrespere-vm5of 😂😂😂looool why are you kill me, 😂😂😂😂
@@Pierrespere-vm5oflive a good life in this world and the heavens.
Why don't you teach people muhmmad was paedophilo
@@Pierrespere-vm5of you're a *poor* Indian, aren't you? Of course you haven't been in a multi-cultural institution. My college has loads of foreigners-- and there's no compulsion regarding clothes. Nothing is banned.
Very good france 🇫🇷
School should have uniform that make all students feel equal and shouldn't make students feel different from others who wear that covering.
Do it in your home.
Umm wearing a head scarf makes them feel not equal? You should teach you're students to respect other religions not make them feel uncomfortable.
Good every girl should start wearing abaya then, problem solved!
The only word that can describe you is idiot , if you are not even gonna try to understand the value of hijab in Islam then please just shut up
Religion should be at home
Not in school
School is for education
Not brainwashed by books made by some man wanting to rule and divide people over a god
Smh
Just Live in peace.
And teach our children love not hate
I am a Muslim and I live in a Muslim country, I can say that the French feel jealous and inferior when they see a modest woman. Yes, this is the truth. They consider a modest woman to be superior to them.
France is mad because we cover ourselves and that we’ve in fact control of our bodies HAHAHAHAHAH😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
How are Jews and Christians feeling about their caps and crosses being banned?
that correspondent seemed like he didn't give a damn...
Yeah, he's a rude pos. Either turn off the d@mn fone or put it on mute!
He is so unprofessional BBC standards gone down hill
hows this not banned already 😭
Yessssss!!! hows this is not already banned everywhere?
A Catholic Clergy or Hindu Priest or a Buddhist Monk or any other RELIGIOUS denominations may wear the attire that shows their religious orientation but not from this community!!!! Why? Simply because they have proved themselves to be dangerous and the onus is on them to prove that they all are safe for US people. The burden of proof is on them indeed. Simply because they have proven it out in the world with that fanatic frenzy that they get themself into...not just that but kill and maim. That the world APPROACH THEM WITH CAUTION. HENCE, This is not religious fascism but by my necessity to stay protected and alive.
No gays or beers on the Muslim world cup right ? Soo now you gotta respect our culture. Kids should grow up free tirany and crazy old ideas
Bravo France!!!
France becoming based again🗿
I think you meant to say "biased" not based
Nope. Just a logical secular country.
France will never be based, the country is a steaming pile of shit
@@annab9994being logical is when a country oppresses its own people in the name of "secularism"
France has the right to protect its culture.
Image this law to be promulgated in India or China. 😂😂 would these western media and their audience show any mercy? HUMAN RIGHTS and FREEDOM!🎉🎉
School should have school uniform, better to be fair for all students wearing same dress code, and it also shows respect to the school.
You can wear anything at home or clubbing but should wear proper way in proper places or occasions.
There's a very big difference between a uniform and a dress code.
Under a general dress code, German schools allow any clothes without vulgar language or symbolism, hats and caps must be taken off but can be worn during breaks.
A uniform would force all boys to wear the same and all girls to wear the same with transsexuals somewhere in these two groups.
Most of us Germans vehemently oppose school uniforms because the last time we had a national school uniform was in the Hitler Youth during WW II.
These questions are subject to cultural and historic sensitivities.
Uniform is stupid. Many people who graduate high schools or uni do not have basic dressing sense simply because they were never had to learn which colours go with which colours or which tie goes with which shirt. I hate the kind of conformist mentality that educational institutes foster.
You could of found a better journalist
WOMEN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DRESS WHATEVER THEY WANT AS LONG AS IT IS MODEST ENOUGH
From an Iranian woman here: " Bravo, well done France". Hijab has to be outlawed everywhere in the world, as well in my country, Iran. It is a terrible symbole of oppression of women, and has to be eradicated.
Lovely “Iranian” name you have there, Susan.👍😉👌
More power to Iranian women 👏🏻👍🏻💐🙏🏻
Shut up Susan you're white
Lets hope the UK follows Frances intelligent move
I'm not going to make a judgement here on what France should or should not do. I'm finding it really interesting to read the responses here, particularly from people living in the UK and other European countries. In the U.S., this kind of dress would be protected under freedom of religion. We're not as concerned with people/kids wearing symbols of their faith, whatever they may be. Our schools are more concerned with policing the clothes and bodies of girls (e.g. no spaghetti strap tops), and the natural hair styles of Black kids (although, thankfully, many schools have been getting in trouble for this in recent years).
I'm in the UK and I really don't understand this at all. I see absolutely nothing wrong with wearing religious items which affects nobody else.
I don't see why others wearing the clothes they want should be a problem
In France this has become a political tool, whenever a politician feels the need to reaffirm themselves before a mostly anti-immigrant, anti-muslim population, they'll evoke secularism and do some type of attack towards muslim communities. That's exactly what Gabriel Attal is doing now, he's just become minister of Education and needs people to see him and talk about him, and muslims are, as always, the easiest target.
The UK,France etc are much more liberal secular societies than the US. (I lived in the US for 17yrs and was staggered at how religious it was,even in NYC) The recent surge of religiosity in Europe that has come with muslim immigration and Christian immigration from Africa is often seen as posing a threat to our secular liberal societies..
@@michaelabbott9080 a secular state is a secular state, it doesn’t matter how religious the population of a country is. What does matter is when the state tries to control freedom of religion by banning religious garments, which is a phenomena very specific to France.
If Iran can force women to wear them why can france force them not to?
Allah knows best🙂
Strong step...
It's France, their country and rules and public school. If you don't like it then change school or move back elsewhere.
Support for France from Indonesia
You liar your not Indonesian!! Your a Christian or a Hater!!
Tied of men telling women what they can wear.Tallliban, France
In France, respect the french laws or leave the country
So then France shouldn't claim to be all about liberty and freedom
@@autograndeunlimited you really don t understand the concept of LAW 😂😂
@@autograndeunlimited talk about the pot calling the kettle black
@@ErickHumboldt I do actually unlike you LMAO discriminatory laws like the one fence has go AGAINST liberty and freedom LOL
@@dawgcat3087 not at all
France is a secular state and if Muslims complain, they are welcome to live in a country where their dress code is accepted.
Because in Rome you do as the Romans do.
Schools are indeed neutral places but they're in opposite to the court room, a space connecting the pluralistic society, which includes religion.
Try visit a school in the Middle East wearing a Jewish symbol, see how well that connects you to their pluralistic society.
@@zjeee Arabic leader have used jews as scapegoat all the decades to have a united enemy to strengthen their ruling on people. This is a political issue, not a religion one.
And regarding christianty. I used to visit Syria before the war. Muslims and christians used to live side by side and you even have had christians wearing public crosses as necklace without anyone getting hurt in his feeling. Somehow I believe society in arabic countries have been much more advanced than european ones.
@@MS-zl7kp There is no one veil, there are different colours, thickness of texture and designs and reasons why people wear it. People e.g. having cancer and getting treated by chemo, wear veils to cover their bald hair. People in warm countries or summer days use veils to save themselves from getting hurt by the sun. Some people even wear half veils based on the culture they came from (this was even was a thing in west europe in the early centry of 20). As long as no one is forced to wear a veil, it's part of a pluralistic choice of women to do so.
In Iran women are forced to wear veils (which is totally wrong), but forcing people not to wear it, is not better. We need to get our standards right, even if we don't like personally the veil.
I don’t see why ppl have to be the same neutral robots but it’s their country. Whatever
@@zjeee Have you ever been to the Middle East?
Sorry, isn't France a sovereign nation? Why do you even bring this to the media?
simple. Follow the law or leave the country!!!!
How will they make difference between abaya and normal long dress???
Islam is best thats why its increase... 💖💖
No kid it increases because the people of this cult over breeds
As a Christian, I find this law offensive unless they can prove its for safety and not just antireligious
But are you *born again* ?
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Mark 1:15 - “The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel!”
As a Christian, follow the laws of the French Republic, and in second term you are a Christian
@@hiddengem42931 Corinthians 11: If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.
If you really believe in the gospel start covering your head
Children should be equal at school because they are innocent, let them choose when they are adults .
We indians support france in this decision . A uniform should be uniform
RSS cow worshipper
There is no uniform. Kids can wear what they want apart from young girls who want to wear abayas. Hence the debate.
Good decision 👍
I had to wear the school uniform, couldn't wear what i wanted so i see no issue
@@buzz5695 unvaccinated and unmasked nice try tho
@@buzz5695 how, I agree with the ban on Islamic garb in schools
Most of the comments say “it’s their country, their rules” but at the same time they say “ how can Afghanistan force women to cover up” or “ how can this country ban homosexuality” hypocrites 😒
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France is the real chad 🔥
France is so depressing.
If you want to move to a country , adapt to that country !!!!! Or stay where you are , or move in a muslim country .
Maybe France should have stayed out of Africa. I like how the French disrupt other countries cultures but when the same is done to them they 💩their pants.
What are you talking about? That is a racist point of view. Live where they want and how they want. I guess the love they have for themselves by showing humility and self-respect and dignity highlites the fact that you lack it and it makes you uncomfortable. Dont oppress freedom.
France bans women from wearing long wide dresses....
Good for France
Very good decision
Typical Hindu ass kissing
Look at this hindu dog, Go worship a cow you dipshit
Good!Respect European values or leave!
Respect from the US 🇫🇷🤝🇺🇸
Good for France. School should be a place of learning and not religious displays.
How come middle east countries wont allow christians to pratcie their religion....
If they cannot assimilate in the country you choose to live, then maybe it's the wrong place for you. Go to the environment that matters your religion, don't force it on others. I'm chatolic but I don't wear a cross in public, I just pray in my home
What if a lady whose ancestors are all French, decided to cover her hair and legs e.g. out of dencency, Islam or Christianity (like nine ) ? Shall you force her to wear less clothes or kick her out of HER country too?
I don't see Muslim men covering their hair out of decency there also why are Muslim men turned on when they see someones hair we are talking about hijab or abaya here don't try to change the subject.
Perhaps it is in hopes of preventing them from blowing up their classrooms with something they could wear underneath.
I highly doubt a GUCCI Kaftan could be mistaken for a usually black or blue abaya anytime in the near future.
Are you joking?
Why?
Radical Muslims blowing people up is no joke. @@kashmirmylove6243
the only ppl blowing up places is your western imperialistic govt who you pay taxes to
@@kashmirmylove6243
Are you new?
@@alysonturcin-weller7443 What do you think?
I believe the Hijab is worn for modesty and to protect a woman from any advances by men. If that is true why do I see a lot of them wearing tight jeans that show their backside and crotch ? Is this modesty ?
if the muslims do not like it they are free to leave to a muslim country in which they can practice there faith
I am not a muslim, and only wanna be fair here. When Iran is enforcing the girls wearing abayas, we support the protest against that. That is to support personal freedom. And now France is banning girls from wearing abayas, somehow people support it? Why? Aren't we supporting personal freedom? Can the free speech and personal freedom not support the simple things like dressing what one wants and not dressing what one hates?
It's that "freedom" that will eventually cause freedom suppression: it's better to stop something from growing jn the first place. Next thing you know, you cannot enter a certain "region" without abidong by Islamic rules, within a Western country. Nobody wants that.
because France has a law that says no religion in public for every religion
Oh don’t be a silly liberal. The Muslims are a different story. Forcing and oppressing young girls to wear hijabs. And their ‘prophet’ married a 9 year old!
Cuz secularists also have the right to defend themselves
Because hypocrite is just another name for french
Very good! You live in our land so you need our rules!
The manifestations of the insecurities of a rapidly declining European power
If you wanted to go to school in Afghanistan theyd make you wear the silly costume.. actually, wait, they wouldn't be allowed to go to school.
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What a pointless thing to enforce
I think there should be only Christianity in the world, so that the world can be peaceful.
And Hitler thought there should only be Aryans so the world could be peaceful
I don’t mind this since it is done for literally all other religions. If it were like it is here in America where they claim to be against “indoctrination” while passing laws that mandate having Christian text posted in classrooms, then I’d have a problem with that kind of blatant hypocrisy. But if you don’t want religion in the classroom, then great. Just do it across the board.
No it's not
Just open you eyes
@@MohamedBadat-yp7xjYes it is. You can't wear a jewish kippah in a public school either, or a cross necklace
@@MohamedBadat-yp7xj O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. Quran 5:51
I don't really see what's the PROBLEM if an innocent muslim woman is PROTECTING her MODESTY by wearing a SIMPLE headscarf or abaya.........
@@Alhamdullilah101 The problem is, you can clearly identify her as a muslim due to the religious symbolism of a hijab or abaya. Dressing modestly is easy to do without showing off your religion. That sort of thing is banned in french schools and government