Your video gave me an idea. I'll use the L bracket that came with DRO, and attach reading head to the longer wall 80mm, and shorter wall 40mm attach to 40mmx40mm 80mm long L bracket, which would be bolted to moving column. The scale just bolted to fixed column, with opening facing away from the flying chips.
Hurrah. I’ve been looking forward to seeing how you do it, and if it will be anything like mine. Got a coffee and ready to watch. Thanks for doing the videos, cheers Noel
Gday Adrain, very nicely fitted, I really have to get myself a dro for the mill drill, it’s on the wish list anyway, your brackets certainly look a lot better than the originals, great video, thanks mate, cheers Matty
I fitted the same unit to my lathe. But it didn’t work, turned out the pins in the plugs from the scales weren’t compatible with the display unit. It was quite easy to swap the pins around once I found out the right positions. Great video Ade. 👍
Ade, good move I think buying the DRO for yourself. Unfortunately there are really great channels out there that have suffered for sponsorship in my opinion. Just my observations. Great video, you explained the fit really well. Your time is appreciated. Best wishes, Dean in Oxfordshire.
+1 for Arc Euro Trade. Got my mini lathe & mini mill from them and loads of extras since then. Their retail shop is worth visiting as everthing they have online is there to peruse.
Good vid as usual Ade, this will make life a but easier for you, rather than counting how many turns on X Z or Y axis hand wheels you can just look at the display and ignore backlash! Simples! You and yours stay safe mate as unfortunate it ain't over yet.
As always, an interesting, cheerful and entertaining video. I used 3 pices of 10 kilo force magnets and 3 little Alu blocks to mount my scale. Nice You also find Alu to be a useful interfacing metal.
The mount looks very solid there and much more rigid than some of the ones I've seen in the marketing pictures for the DRO scales from the manufacturers. I'd like to get a DRO at some point but it's not in the cards for me right now so been doing some other workarounds to get stuff done with what's available. Looking forward to seeing how you mount the other scales as if I ever get a system for my mill-drill the X and Y will be similar, at least. Hope you're doing well!
Thanks for the video Ade. First a mill, now a DRO. What next a shaper or a grinder. The shed will need to be a lot bigger Ade. Look forward to the next instalment of Ade's machine shop expansion. Keep safe and stay well.
Hi Ade. I've just changed the drill chuck on my WM16B. Got a MT3 to JT3 arbor from Arc Euro Trade and a Jacob's 14N Super Chuck from Zoro. Working very well so far and no more need for that M10 drawbar!! 👍
Sounds great! i have a keyless chuck and have ordered an arbour from RDG moments ago , I also have a lovely Rohm 0 to 1/4 inch keyless and have made an arbour that fits a 12mm collet. moving forward every day. Cheers Ade.
I brought the same type of mill month ago. I ordered the DRO with the LCD. I have this 7-segment LED type on the lathe. And to say this clear: It is a day and night difference in usability. The LCD type is way more easy to use. And for the mounting: The back part is flat. I directly bolted the scale on the back end and made a very flat bridge over. It looks way more slim. I didn't mounted the chip guards at all. They are quite useless. Mounting the X scale was hard... Had to pull down the sattle to drill the holes on the bottom fixed sattle part. Next I will add a worm gear drive for the Z way, so I can hit buttons to move the head up and down. The wheel up there is annoying.
Hi Ade, nice work. It was good to watch you fitting the DRO. I fitted one to my Harrison lathe. I also made all bespoke fittings for driving the read heads as I didn't like the supplied ones. Were Bang Good going to supply you a DRO free of charge? If so I think you did the right thing not accepting. There is a certain other channel that has gone down the tubes after adopting sponsorship; it's a slippery slope. Just my view. Thanks for introducing me to Jon's Workshop, enjoying watching his content too. Really looking forward to the next installment of the DRO fit. Thank you.
Hi Ade. Wondered how long it would be before you fitted one. Great add on. My old Tom senior has one & it makes life so much easier. I made a x axis power feed using a car wiper motor. Another great add on. Will watch with bated breath. Steve.
Hi Ade. What happened to the plastic spacers that come between the read head and the scales. Many people think that they are packing pieces for transit but you're supposed to fix everything to the mill and the last job is to remove the spacers thus having the correct gap. All the best. Jim.
I think those plastic spacers come with magnetic scales. Ade has glass scales. On my lathe I had one magnetic and one glass. I had this little plastic shim that miked up about 0.5mm. Couldn't work out what it was. Then it dawned on me, was for setting the gap between the read head and magnetic scale. I felt a right plonker.
Hi Ade, I enjoyed the video but having worked with my mill I find I use the quill measurement more than the whole head movement. I’m just wondering if it would be better to attach the DRO to the quill. The one that came with the mill is a bit iffy in my opinion.
Hi Ade .. another Fantastic Project with the DRO setup. Looks so neat, just like a store bought Install Kit. Looking forward to seeing the completed project. The only question I have, is it possible that the holding bracket on the Glass Sliding Scale might be a bit heavy for it ? Looks about 10 to 13mm thick. Keep up the great video's. Be safe & catch you on the Flip Side
Hi Ted. the bracket holding the reader is bolted solidly to the moving head on the mill and the weight is supported by the head, accuracy is helped by the rigidity of this bracket and no load is applied to the reader in the scale. Cheers Ade.
tie a rubber band/spring? of some description on the lead for the z axis and tie it of to the rafter so it pulls the slack cable up when it goes up. Just to control the slack when the z axis moves up and down.Just a thought! Keep up the good work!
Hello Ade, I love your videos and I'm learning a lot so that you. I am looking to buy a Warco WM16, can I ask why you went for the belt drive version? Many thanks Stephen.
Very informative, as I have WM16B and I want to eventually install a 3 axis DRO etc. Any plans to install the X and Y axis ? I wonder about leaving access to the oiling points on the X and Y .
Hi Ade, you mentioned a UK supplier for your DRO, in case you needed to get in touch re. probs etc who is this UK supplier? I have on my watch list a couple of DRO kits but all supplied from China.
As it turned out it did get shipped from china , misleading website and got duped, it did arrive quickly and no complaints with the product though. Cheers Ade
ade ,, i have gone to the expence of getting a d r o for my centec 2 mill i .thought i had a bargain ! it arrived . ,, but only the screen and some fixings. so now i need some scales three of them all different lengths " as you have one" ..are the scales and screen all compatable ?i would like to be sure before lashing out my money [ as there not cheap ]yours looks the same as mine . help if you can regards laurence
Hi, Ade I have just bought the WM16B and watching your video I think you say 50mm X 5mm looking at the video the 50 looks fine but the 5mm loks to be much thicker. Can you confirm the size please.
just watch it . 50x10mm . good stock and cheap from aluminium droitwich , look on ebay , good service, cheap and really good quick delivery . Cheers Ade
I'm looking for a dro. with out two much trouble could you give the name and brand of yours and the price in us currency. I haven't found one that I can afford yet. Any help would be appreciated. I like the way you do your planning of projets changing on the go not riten in stone.Bill
Nice work Ade, i really need to get a DRO for my lathe. What camera are you using, can you not get a dummy battery for it and run off the mains. I have done this on my Canon M50. Oh and talking about running behind on editing, I'm 6 months behind and really need to get on it. I can't be a UA-camr without uploaded content 😩😣
Hi Ade... as an aside which vice do you have fitted on your mill it looks like either the 90 mm... or the 70 mm type 2 from Arc Euro, interested as am looking for Xmas prezzie from my wife. TIA.
Sure i saw a different lathe toolpost in one of your videos (wedge style) but i cannot find it. Did i imagine it? If you do have one what size is it. I have the SP109 Lathe which is almost identical to your WM180 except my gears are backwards (different position of the spindle gear.). Also what is the DRO you have fitted? Thanks.
Hello Ade, just bought a wm250 lathe from Warco, all good with lathe etc, do i have to spend in excess of £200 to get a good drill chuck for the lathe, i bought a 2mt from Amazon and a live centre they look the business, buttttt i took the three jaw chuck of the head stock and popped them in to the 4mt with an adapter which i've clocked and is running within a thou. the drill chuck is 0.45mm out etc, it has a visable wobble as does the 2mt live centre. Its doing my head in can you recommend a drill chuck and live centre, thanks Glyn. The Albrechts look great but very expensive.
Hi, Glyn . I think for ok stuff on a budget then try RDG tools online shop . that is where i got mine and no complaints . Perhaps look at Rohm chucks too. Cheers Ade.
I agree with you Arceurotrade is far far better to deal with than Banggood. They are also excellent for bits for mini lathes eg chucks , lead screws etc.
Hi Ade, shouldn’t the z axis DRO be reading the tool height. It looks to me that you will be reading the height of the head unit without the quill. Im only asking the question because I don’t understand the benefit of that. I don’t even have a mill yet. Great videos, I always look forward to seeing them.
U are right, it will read the head hight. But the quill has its own DRO on this mill, so you can use both in combination and add the values. You can't fit glass scales for the quill on this mill anyway.
Matthias H. You can there is video line of it being done, I considered it but opted to keep the fitted DRO and fit a glass DRO as Ade has done. If the quill is locked the ‘head’ DRO measures tool height.
@@Jestey6 As always: You can do nearly everything. But fiddling a glass scale on the quill is way from elegant. Than you can buy a DRO with 4 axis and combine to in there config, yes... But unless you will use 1 micron skales, the already mounted quill DRO is good enough. You won't get a real benefit from this modification. Especially in contrast to the price and time you will pay for this all together.
I have a Warco 14, and considered removing the quill DRO and installing a short glass scale, in its place, it is possible. Installing a glass reader on the 14 is an attractive option due to it having the head handle mounted on the top of the column, which makes it more difficult to use. I’m considering installing a stepper motor up there to make this easier. I opted to keep the quill DRO, and install a glass Z axis reader, much as Ades has done. I can then use either, depending on what I’m doing, this works well. The down side of the little quill DRO is forgetting to turn it off 🤭
It is a good question . I often have to lift the head to change tooling. with the z DRO i can come back to the same spot and keep my datum , Also, when i am machining more heavily , i like to move the head to put the cut on to keep the quill fully retracted.Cheers Ade.
Hi, Pat . I have not much knowledge on this subject as i made my own . I do see many people with an AXA type . I am not sure what size you need and I think that they all need a bit of modding to get them to fit. Cheers Ade.
Well done Ade, nice work and well fitted. I must agree, the supplied bracket for the reader head looks a bit weedy, your solution looks much more elegant and will protect the read head over time from damage caused by flex in the flimsy one. Top job, you keep showing me how to go on so when I get my mill I have a good reference. Cheers, Jon
Hi , Jon . I am sure your solution would be just as elegant. as long as it did not involve welding . Damn pidgins . great to hear from you , and if anyone is reading my reply . Check out Jon's Workshop .
I don't understand English very well but you are great. your videos are very interesting. Greetings from Sicily.
Ciao, Roberto,
Roberto Aiesi wait until he starts speaking in Welsh l..... you will not understand a word lol
Your video gave me an idea.
I'll use the L bracket that came with DRO, and attach reading head to the longer wall 80mm, and shorter wall 40mm attach to 40mmx40mm 80mm long L bracket, which would be bolted to moving column.
The scale just bolted to fixed column, with opening facing away from the flying chips.
ah ha....exactly my project for 2022...thanks again..Ade
Ade wow you were very Detailed and that today it was very cool to see it on the mill thanks
No problem 👍
A very welcome video on a Sunday afternoon, good work Ade.👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Good stuff! Brought a warco wm16b myself nearly a year ago and been contemplating this for the past couple of months..watching with interest!
Lee
it will change your world, cheers Ade.
Hurrah. I’ve been looking forward to seeing how you do it, and if it will be anything like mine. Got a coffee and ready to watch.
Thanks for doing the videos, cheers Noel
Great addition to the shop Ade.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks 👍
Gday Adrain, very nicely fitted, I really have to get myself a dro for the mill drill, it’s on the wish list anyway, your brackets certainly look a lot better than the originals, great video, thanks mate, cheers Matty
Thanks ' Ade ' . I have WM12 , so I have a good idea now.
Tomorrow will watch video #2 ' DOR ' installation.
I fitted the same unit to my lathe. But it didn’t work, turned out the pins in the plugs from the scales weren’t compatible with the display unit. It was quite easy to swap the pins around once I found out the right positions. Great video Ade. 👍
Are you the Derek Wilkinson who used to be a mobile mechanic around Hainault and Barkingside Ilford Essex?
The DRO mounting is nice and rigid with the thickness of the aluminium bracket you've made. Enjoyed Ade. Tony
Ade, good move I think buying the DRO for yourself. Unfortunately there are really great channels out there that have suffered for sponsorship in my opinion. Just my observations. Great video, you explained the fit really well. Your time is appreciated. Best wishes, Dean in Oxfordshire.
Hi Ade, great addition to the mill. Didn't think it would be long before fitting a DRO..
Thanks 👍
+1 for Arc Euro Trade. Got my mini lathe & mini mill from them and loads of extras since then. Their retail shop is worth visiting as everthing they have online is there to peruse.
Good vid as usual Ade, this will make life a but easier for you, rather than counting how many turns on X Z or Y axis hand wheels you can just look at the display and ignore backlash! Simples! You and yours stay safe mate as unfortunate it ain't over yet.
Well done Ade looks very professional looking forward to the next instalment.
As always, an interesting, cheerful and entertaining video. I used 3 pices of 10 kilo force magnets and 3 little Alu blocks to mount my scale.
Nice You also find Alu to be a useful interfacing metal.
Nicely done Ade thanks for another excellent video
That looks like a clean install Ade. Wonderful work as always.
Thank you for showing, as always nice ideas and good work, be safe, and have a good day.
Thanks, you too!
Great work and keep the swarf out. Spot on. Super thanks for sharing
The mount looks very solid there and much more rigid than some of the ones I've seen in the marketing pictures for the DRO scales from the manufacturers. I'd like to get a DRO at some point but it's not in the cards for me right now so been doing some other workarounds to get stuff done with what's available. Looking forward to seeing how you mount the other scales as if I ever get a system for my mill-drill the X and Y will be similar, at least. Hope you're doing well!
Thanks for the video Ade. First a mill, now a DRO. What next a shaper or a grinder. The shed will need to be a lot bigger Ade. Look forward to the next instalment of Ade's machine shop expansion. Keep safe and stay well.
That's the plan!. don't tell the good lady. Cheers Ade.
Hi Ade. I've just changed the drill chuck on my WM16B. Got a MT3 to JT3 arbor from Arc Euro Trade and a Jacob's 14N Super Chuck from Zoro. Working very well so far and no more need for that M10 drawbar!! 👍
Sounds great! i have a keyless chuck and have ordered an arbour from RDG moments ago , I also have a lovely Rohm 0 to 1/4 inch keyless and have made an arbour that fits a 12mm collet. moving forward every day. Cheers Ade.
I brought the same type of mill month ago. I ordered the DRO with the LCD. I have this 7-segment LED type on the lathe. And to say this clear: It is a day and night difference in usability. The LCD type is way more easy to use.
And for the mounting: The back part is flat. I directly bolted the scale on the back end and made a very flat bridge over. It looks way more slim. I didn't mounted the chip guards at all. They are quite useless.
Mounting the X scale was hard... Had to pull down the sattle to drill the holes on the bottom fixed sattle part.
Next I will add a worm gear drive for the Z way, so I can hit buttons to move the head up and down. The wheel up there is annoying.
the LCD type was my first choice but not found by uk supply at the time . still happy with what i have though
Sounds like a good modification.
I bodged some cheap digital calipers onto my micro mill. They are a bit hard to read but a cheap alternative.
Well done! Its really coming along.
Hi Ade, nice work. It was good to watch you fitting the DRO. I fitted one to my Harrison lathe. I also made all bespoke fittings for driving the read heads as I didn't like the supplied ones. Were Bang Good going to supply you a DRO free of charge? If so I think you did the right thing not accepting. There is a certain other channel that has gone down the tubes after adopting sponsorship; it's a slippery slope. Just my view. Thanks for introducing me to Jon's Workshop, enjoying watching his content too. Really looking forward to the next installment of the DRO fit. Thank you.
Hi Ade. Wondered how long it would be before you fitted one. Great add on. My old Tom senior has one & it makes life so much easier. I made a x axis power feed using a car wiper motor. Another great add on. Will watch with bated breath. Steve.
Hi Ade. What happened to the plastic spacers that come between the read head and the scales. Many people think that they are packing pieces for transit but you're supposed to fix everything to the mill and the last job is to remove the spacers thus having the correct gap. All the best. Jim.
there were none with my scales .
I think those plastic spacers come with magnetic scales. Ade has glass scales. On my lathe I had one magnetic and one glass. I had this little plastic shim that miked up about 0.5mm. Couldn't work out what it was. Then it dawned on me, was for setting the gap between the read head and magnetic scale. I felt a right plonker.
@@britishreaction54 All of my glass scales had the spacers.
Thanks for a very useful series, one question - do you find the z axis DRO useful, given that the quill has it's own scale?
Hi Ade,
I enjoyed the video but having worked with my mill I find I use the quill measurement more than the whole head movement. I’m just wondering if it would be better to attach the DRO to the quill. The one that came with the mill is a bit iffy in my opinion.
Hi Ade .. another Fantastic Project with the DRO setup. Looks so neat, just like a store bought Install Kit. Looking forward to seeing the completed project.
The only question I have, is it possible that the holding bracket on the Glass Sliding Scale might be a bit heavy for it ? Looks about 10 to 13mm thick. Keep up the great video's. Be safe & catch you on the Flip Side
Hi Ted. the bracket holding the reader is bolted solidly to the moving head on the mill and the weight is supported by the head, accuracy is helped by the rigidity of this bracket and no load is applied to the reader in the scale. Cheers Ade.
tie a rubber band/spring? of some description on the lead for the z axis and tie it of to the rafter so it pulls the slack cable up when it goes up.
Just to control the slack when the z axis moves up and down.Just a thought!
Keep up the good work!
Cool idea
Enjoyed the video as usual but where did you get that anti spill cup from? I have only found them in the US when I have been looking.
Hello Ade, I love your videos and I'm learning a lot so that you. I am looking to buy a Warco WM16, can I ask why you went for the belt drive version? Many thanks Stephen.
Very informative, as I have WM16B and I want to eventually install a 3 axis DRO etc. Any plans to install the X and Y axis ? I wonder about leaving access to the oiling points on the X and Y .
Nice one Ade,
da bo
regards
gareth
Hi Ade, you mentioned a UK supplier for your DRO, in case you needed to get in touch re. probs etc who is this UK supplier? I have on my watch list a couple of DRO kits but all supplied from China.
As it turned out it did get shipped from china , misleading website and got duped, it did arrive quickly and no complaints with the product though. Cheers Ade
ade ,, i have gone to the expence of getting a d r o for my centec 2 mill i .thought i had a bargain ! it arrived . ,, but only the screen and some fixings. so now i need some scales three of them all different lengths " as you have one" ..are the scales and screen all compatable ?i would like to be sure before lashing out my money [ as there not cheap ]yours looks the same as mine . help if you can regards laurence
Hi, Ade I have just bought the WM16B and watching your video I think you say 50mm X 5mm looking at the video the 50 looks fine but the 5mm loks to be much thicker. Can you confirm the size please.
let me watch back and check .
just watch it . 50x10mm . good stock and cheap from aluminium droitwich , look on ebay , good service, cheap and really good quick delivery . Cheers Ade
I'm looking for a dro. with out two much trouble could you give the name and brand of yours and the price in us currency. I haven't found one that I can afford yet. Any help would be appreciated. I like the way you do your planning of projets changing on the go not riten in stone.Bill
Nice work Ade, i really need to get a DRO for my lathe.
What camera are you using, can you not get a dummy battery for it and run off the mains. I have done this on my Canon M50.
Oh and talking about running behind on editing, I'm 6 months behind and really need to get on it. I can't be a UA-camr without uploaded content 😩😣
Hi Ade... as an aside which vice do you have fitted on your mill it looks like either the 90 mm... or the 70 mm type 2 from Arc Euro, interested as am looking for Xmas prezzie from my wife. TIA.
Sure i saw a different lathe toolpost in one of your videos (wedge style) but i cannot find it. Did i imagine it?
If you do have one what size is it. I have the SP109 Lathe which is almost identical to your WM180 except my gears are backwards (different position of the spindle gear.). Also what is the DRO you have fitted? Thanks.
Hi Ade, very nice job. Same question as Ken a few days ago, where did you buy your DRO from
Hello Ade, just bought a wm250 lathe from Warco, all good with lathe etc, do i have to spend in excess of £200 to get a good drill chuck for the lathe, i bought a 2mt from Amazon and a live centre they look the business, buttttt i took the three jaw chuck of the head stock and popped them in to the 4mt with an adapter which i've clocked and is running within a thou. the drill chuck is 0.45mm out etc, it has a visable wobble as does the 2mt live centre. Its doing my head in can you recommend a drill chuck and live centre, thanks Glyn. The Albrechts look great but very expensive.
Hi, Glyn . I think for ok stuff on a budget then try RDG tools online shop . that is where i got mine and no complaints . Perhaps look at Rohm chucks too. Cheers Ade.
I agree with you Arceurotrade is far far better to deal with than Banggood. They are also excellent for bits for mini lathes eg chucks , lead screws etc.
Thanks a lot John for spelling out the name of the company! I found a number of wanted things and ordered them.
Hi Ade, Where did you buy your DRO from?
Hi Ade, shouldn’t the z axis DRO be reading the tool height. It looks to me that you will be reading the height of the head unit without the quill. Im only asking the question because I don’t understand the benefit of that. I don’t even have a mill yet.
Great videos, I always look forward to seeing them.
U are right, it will read the head hight. But the quill has its own DRO on this mill, so you can use both in combination and add the values. You can't fit glass scales for the quill on this mill anyway.
Matthias H. You can there is video line of it being done, I considered it but opted to keep the fitted DRO and fit a glass DRO as Ade has done. If the quill is locked the ‘head’ DRO measures tool height.
@@Jestey6 As always: You can do nearly everything. But fiddling a glass scale on the quill is way from elegant. Than you can buy a DRO with 4 axis and combine to in there config, yes... But unless you will use 1 micron skales, the already mounted quill DRO is good enough. You won't get a real benefit from this modification. Especially in contrast to the price and time you will pay for this all together.
Very clean installation.cheers LOVE>fear
Do you have one for the quill?
Ade , without this sounding like a silly question . why have a z axis readout when you already have a quill Dro ?
I have a Warco 14, and considered removing the quill DRO and installing a short glass scale, in its place, it is possible. Installing a glass reader on the 14 is an attractive option due to it having the head handle mounted on the top of the column, which makes it more difficult to use. I’m considering installing a stepper motor up there to make this easier.
I opted to keep the quill DRO, and install a glass Z axis reader, much as Ades has done. I can then use either, depending on what I’m doing, this works well. The down side of the little quill DRO is forgetting to turn it off 🤭
It is a good question . I often have to lift the head to change tooling. with the z DRO i can come back to the same spot and keep my datum , Also, when i am machining more heavily , i like to move the head to put the cut on to keep the quill fully retracted.Cheers Ade.
Hello Adrain could you advise on a good Quick Release Toolpost for a Warco WM180? Please.
Hi, Pat . I have not much knowledge on this subject as i made my own . I do see many people with an AXA type . I am not sure what size you need and I think that they all need a bit of modding to get them to fit. Cheers Ade.
Thank you Adrain, it's not for me so I would not have any details on what he requires. I do appreciate the reply.
Are you fitter by trade Ade?
Toolmaker but no offence taken . thanks for watching ,Ade.
* thank
Hmmmmmm You're getting much too posh now Ade. It'll be power feeds next ! lol
You got that right!
Arduino and stepper?
Ofrex nah.......Patreon!
@@ade63dug Will there be stepper motors and CNC also? Joking!
The boring head looks just like the Criterian
Should have read ' DRO '.
Well done Ade, nice work and well fitted. I must agree, the supplied bracket for the reader head looks a bit weedy, your solution looks much more elegant and will protect the read head over time from damage caused by flex in the flimsy one. Top job, you keep showing me how to go on so when I get my mill I have a good reference. Cheers, Jon
Hi , Jon . I am sure your solution would be just as elegant. as long as it did not involve welding . Damn pidgins . great to hear from you , and if anyone is reading my reply . Check out Jon's Workshop .