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Whatever Happened to Klimt’s Golden Lady? with E. Randol Schoenberg -- UC San Diego Library Channel
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- E. Randol Schoenberg, the grandson of the composer Arnold Schoenberg, is an expert in handling cases involving looted art and the recovery of property stolen by the Nazi authorities during the Holocaust. He tells the story here of his most prominent case, “Republic of Austria v. Altmann” which resulted in the successful return of six paintings by Gustav Klimt, including the “Golden Lady,” to their rightful owners. Recorded on 05/06/2015. [6/2015] [Show ID: 29174]
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0:00 Start
7:54 Gustav Klimt
22:26 Gustavo Shitski
23:46 Family Maria and Fritz
45:47 Four Grounds for Affirming the Ninth Circuit
49:12 Court-Ordered Mediation
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No nonsense guy! He knows his stuff and tells the story in a way that keeps us engaged. It's actually a sad story about life death and art. This is what makes a beautiful piece of art a legendary one!
I am here because of the wonderful movie and this lecture is absolutely brilliant..Thank you for uploading it!
What an outstanding presentation! So engaging. I got very teary at the end. Thank you so much, Mr.Schoenberg!
It certainly was. And it could have been so very boring. Great job!
How fascinating to hear the entire REAL story of these works of art. Thank you so much for sharing.
This is such a good story. I have seen the movie "Woman in Gold" twice and the information you present in this presentation makes the story even more complete. Thank you for sharing this information. I pray society never forgets the horrors of the past.
Thrilling story, beautifully told by the hero attorney !!!
Came across this - stopped near the beginning and went immediately to watch the film. It’s a stunning film with an amazing cast!! So emotional. I immediately came back to listen to this presentation and it was absolutely fascinating and Brilliant.
Mr. Schoenberg,you are a true force for good and that is something hard to resist.
The multiple layers of injustice portrayed here are saddening, so your persistent effort to overcome them and your final success are joyous not only to the Bloch-Bauer family
Absolutely brilliant!! No filler, no fluff, just the facts which are interesting enough to stand alone. At no point did my attention wander from this excellent presentation!
Excellent!
I watched the movie 5-6 times and often wondered how close to reality it was.
Thank you for helping Maria recover her family's stolen art.
I am now seeing that Adele wanted her art to go to the museum and no its not her husbands even though its a loop in the law. So her wishes wasnt fulfilled. She was able and rich enough to pay Klimt for her portrait and would have approached him herself to paint her as he was in her circle, there are no portraits done by Klimt of her husband . After all Klimt was her style of artist and not her husbands art style. Also the fact that she listed them specifically, and that there were 6/7. I am sure she knew they were hers when she listed them and she knew they were not her husband''s and that not being his taste he wouldnt want them, also if she had had the affair with Klimt it would be distasteful for it to remain with him. I think finding the legal loop of ownership was a loop to retain some of the lost wealth. I also saw that Adele may have had an affair with Klimt and she was the only woman he painted twice. Klimt was interested in Japanese and Egyptian art.
@@judytelles3518nope she didn’t have the right and it was stolen by Nazis. They didn’t have the nerve to admit how they obtained it.
@@judytelles3518secondly the real Adele died before the Nazis looted and killed Maria’s family. So no I don’t think she’d have wanted it to go to Nazis and Nazi deniers and secondly not all of her stuff was ever recovered including the jewelry she was wearing in the portrait
Maybe use critical thinking some
Maria would’ve left it in Vienna if they acknowledged real history of how they obtained it and given her her financial due
@@judytelles3518Wrong. Adele’s “will” has all kinds of language indicating it is nonbinding. It was written well before the Anschluss, which changed everything for Jews in Austria.
Maria never returned to Austria until her attempt to recover her paintings decades later. Do you really think that after the war, anyone in the family would have wanted the paintings to stay in Austria, paintings that had been stolen by the Nazis?
If one were to use your superficial analytical skills, one could easily say that it’s patently clear that YOU are a Nazi sympathizer.
I can listen to Mr Schoenberg speaks all day long :). I am 100% full attention when he tells the story of Adele's painting.
Sperry411 I was all ears too!
meeee toooo!!!!!....this has been amazing!!...just love this story...
I love you Randy, you did so much for Maria and for actually all Jews. You sought and found truth for this lovely Lady and your win is a big win for all Jews seeking truth for the horrible acts of WWII. It might be a single win but it is actually a huge one, acknowledging the horrible things Nazis did against Jews. Art theft is only one of those but getting back only one (and maybe a few more) master piece is a huge win. Well done!
Totally agree. That painting and the extended lawsuits back and forth once again shone a light on the horrors of the time. A time that should NEVER be forgotten. As we know in the current area history has a habit of repeating itself ... most of you know of what I speak.
Praying justice would be served. Watching this lecture with facts presented so clearly and with charming humor brought back the thrill of hearing justice had, indeed, been served. God bless you, sir.
In another documentary, Maria Altmann herself said in the very beginning she was prepared to let the paintings stay in Austria to be displayed to the public if the Belvedere acknowledges her rightful ownership. Shame they didn't take up the offer, and now the paintings are scattered and some of them privately owned, probably never to be seen again in the public.
the agreement was that this picture must always be on public display
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I saw the woman in Gold in a small art gallery in New York. I have a copy in my house and love it. This story is very interesting.
So glad I listened to Randy Schoenberg because he knows his material and he is extremely funny.
Very moving.I had tears in my eyes.
I have both parents who are survivors.They never told much what happened to them.They told me though that it is a worth writing a book
about it,and a month ago somebody did!An amazing story!The name of the book is Born survivors.
I think it is crusial to still tell the untold and untellable.
You have all my respect!
Brilliant to say the least...I had seen this video but could not resist watching it again...and the movie is absolutely worth watching...thank you again for posting conference
Powerful story. Great storyteller. Subtle delightful humor
What a wonderful story, and the tenacity of this incredible sttorney who has devoted his practice to recovering these artworks.
I have just watched Randol Schoenberg with total intoxication. This AMAZING story. What awe inspiring tenacity to gain JUSTICE - I feel so emotional.
Excellent lecture. Good for Mr. Schoenberg
what an eloquent speaker randy is and how nice to hear the film followed the events, instead of making things up. glad to hear everything turned out well for so many families.
Natalie Zayas-Bazan
unfortunately the film made up a pretty huge amount of things and only followed the timeline correctly.
For example it was Hubertus Czernin who started the whole thing by publishing a multi piece about stolen art in Austrian museums and did a huge amount of work for maria altmann (he was the one finding and sending adeles will to the US)
I finished the film 3 hours ago. There's a lot of artistic license taken.
Joonha Shcal as a screenwriter with a disability, if I wrote a film about myself I only care that they get my disability right. As long as the basic idea is right, it’s ok.
That's Why, I'm Always leery of watching movies..... "Based On True", "facts" ..... You don't know How Much of it to believe... And WHICH parts to believe.
When I brought the story to the L.A. Times/ Robert Scheer's attention in 1999, Maria had told me that she intended to live at least as long it would take for the paintings to be returned to her family. That is very different from you saying that she was about to give up at the first hurdle/ prior to your investigation of wether or not the case could be heard in the US/ California. You certainly and brilliantly performed a Herculean task in retrieving the art works. I salute and bow deeply to your accomplishment yet also find it significant to keep the story straight and without embellishments that places Maria's will, fortitude and intentions in question.
Fascinating, excellent presentation. I have so enjoyed seeing several of the paintings at the Belvedere in Vienna and the Neue Galerie in New York. Hearing the story so well told was such a treat.
What an incredible story and terrific storyteller!
What a great story telling Mr. Schoenberg is. As Martin L. King once said, "the arc of the moral universe is long, but bends toward justice." I am glad she was able to experience justice in her lifetime.
The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King.👍💪
Beautiful story. So glad Maria and her family finally got justice.
I’ve never seen the film and had no idea of any of this. What an amazing story told so well.
the movie is great! I highly recommend you to watch it!
Great job with an incredibly complicated story! Truly a brilliant lawyer and storyteller.
Very moving on many fronts. Particularly encouraging that justice won through with a tenacious and skilled lawyer at the helm weeding out the rats. 👍 Well done.
I learned about this story from the book "Stolen Beauty". I admire Maria and Randy for being so courageous and perseverant. For the sake of justice in memory of beloved Adele, they challenged the Austrian system. The journalist Hubertus also played an essential role.
Wow. Spectacular presentation. Thank you.
Such an incredible story. I've watched the film 5 or 6 times, and accidently stumbled over this presentation today. Lucky day.
I find the painting fascinating, so i clicked on this video, not quite prepared for the whole new room i was ushered into.
Wow.! engaging and inspiring presentation from Mr Schoenberg. It is a very brave thing to pursue a gut instinct at the expense of ones budding career. God bless Ms Maria for her perseverance, great service to her aunt's memory and the world of art.
Things happened along the way to aid his eventual success.The Austrians- after all the hardship their citizens endured, could have been less aggressive. Their actions rub salt injuries, but I think they realised that too is why they changed tactic.
Anyways, m off to watch the movie(s) now....i love when one thing leads me to many others.
Thanks @UCTV for a wonderful video, I enjoyed it very much
Excellent! - What an uplifting story! - I saw the two Adele paintings in 2006, in NYC, and they have been my favorite paintings ever since - Mr. Schoenberg, how proud you must be!...Thank you!
superfuzzymomma qw
Very well done. I really enjoyed hearing the story straight from you, Mr. Schoenberg. I saw the movie and it peaked my interest in stolen art by the Nazis. Thank you for your efforts in retrieving these works of art to their rightful owners.
It's probably not wrong to use "peak", but the right word is "pique".
Потрясающий спикер! Рассказывать так интересно и с юмором такую сложную, запутанную и местами очень печальную историю - это нужно иметь талант!
I knew the painting, of course, but none of the story. Not just a cliffhanger - a mountain range of cliffhangers! And as a Narrator, Sir - Homer would have muttered, 'How did he do that? How?' Brilliantly, is the answer. Thanks!
I'm so impressed with Mr.Schoenberg! He is well spoken,intelligent,and a born story teller.I loved the movie about Maria Altman but this lecture was really a great follow up.
Thank you very much
Wonderful story by a wonderful speaker!!
This is fascinating. What a good, clear speaker he is. Just saw the movie well-played by all. One of many stories from that awful period of history, which should always be kept alive.
Good Afternoon, I love Gustav Klimt's The Kiss and the Golden Lady 😘 beautiful!!!!!!!! The Kiss I have had in my old Appartment. Very interesting 👌Thank you soooo much. Many GREETINGS
Very heart lifting story, tinged with incredible sadness. Thank you for telling it.
Interesting that to this day Austrian laws conspire to keep Jews separated from their property. Schoenberg was so lucky to win the case at the American Supreme Court. Then to win the Austrian arbitration was nothing short of miraculous. It's totally amazing that there was justice in this case.
Mary Cahill hw
I could listen to him all day. A lovely man.
Fabulous talk. What a story.
Brilliant lecturer, so articulate, so smart!
A wonderful victory for one Jewish family; so many lost so much. It's good to see these returned to their rigthtful owners.
It's funny, because in my family no one had master paintings during the war.
BEAUTIFUL
You've done very good to get anything back from Austria! Excellent presentation, too!
Excellent speaker! Austria needs to make it right by returning ALL stolen paintings to their rightful owners or descendents.
Thank you for the historical background to these beautiful paontings. There is a wonderful documentary on UA-cam about the Klimt family et al so this presentation rounds out the story.
Thank you This was very interesting. What a speaker. He was able tobring to life this fascinating story. Of course it was the way he fought this long case that makes the story something special.
Excellent lecture! I had read about the Klimt paintings in a book about the retrieval of art stolen by the nazis. It was just prior to the attempt beginning to retrieve the artwork. It was thrilling to read about the procedures taking place
How wonderful!
Great story telling!
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What a great story!!!
I saw the movie, and it was great to hear what actually happened. I just wish restitution could include the lives of those lost...
Very interesting.
Really enjoyed this clip.
Thank you for posting it.
Really enjoyed this lecture, such a natural speaker.
Thanks for sharing. ..most scintillating expose of historical events!!....
Terrific story... extremely well told!
I´m from Mexico. I loved the movie and the story..!! It´s a great story..!! This lecture is absolutely brilliant..!!
Me encató la pelicula y su historia. Desde entonces me puse a buscar más videos sobre el tema. Me encantó la ponencia..!!
This was one of the most interesting lectures I ever saw or heard. I have to see the movie now.
@remus moraru WOMAN IN GOLD
remus moraru Lady in Gold. It was so good that I bought the movie (Blu-ray)
Me too! Fabulous lecture!
A wonderful piece of history.
The film and original documentary fascinated me totally.
Life is tough enough for most of us,,,but this is an amazing success story.
It is sad that property and homes were not all returned and reparation for persecution enforced.
Peace.
Very interesting story and so well presented, Thank you very much.
What an excellent lawyer.
Super good 😊
Love the story but absolutely have adored Klimt and this one is at the top of the list. What a great win this is for those who lost all.
Love this story! Thank you.
Wow...I understood your whole talk...thank you!!!!!
Fascinating! Great work, sir!
I love this speech, I must admit. The movie was amazing and the book was outstanding...
Great lecture.
And I was lucky enough to see both of the Adele Bloch-Bauer paintings when I visited New York.
Unfortunately I did not know the story of the two statues.
I don't know... I think the best place for those paintings would be a public museum in Vienna. That was also Adele Bloch-Bauers wish
Amazing story. And, yes, i saw the movie. Incredible journey for the attorney and this family and these wonderful pieces of art!
I major in art, in college for 2yrs, before I change my major, 2yrs commercial art, I have a great appreciate for the arts.
Great job! Full circle story and triumph for all in the end. Wish I could view these paintings in person
Thank you for sharing this story. Justice has been done, although it is nothing compared to the massive losses suffered at the hands of that horrible regime. Never again.
It's funny, because in my family no one had master paintings during the war.
I have been reading this book, many months after having found Klimt's gold work in my old university art history book, and did not realize an interest in his work would beckon me (the class was in 1967) to search for more information. And here is the end to the beginning if anyone cares, but the book is best read as one finds the chapters not to haunting, Klimt's life and this beautiful family, but the other chapters haunt one The Holocaust art looted after the family was horrendously disposed of??? Claude Lanzmann's Shoah seems to fit into this sad but beautiful unfoldment of Anne Marie O'Connor's work.
Thank you so much for a wonderful lecture.
Absolutely amazing story; beautiful resolution to a story that’s so sad.
Incredible story. Thank you
This is the most impactful speech ever given in the Western World. It left me emotionally obliterated. This storytelling pulls downs my pants and taunts me.
Thank you. Love this story of justice.⚖️
I recently saw Woman in Gold and really liked it, especially the riveting escape scene. So glad to hear the real story behind the film and I must say, Maria, Fritz and Fritz' older brother's survival tactics sound gangsta as all get out! Anyway what a beautiful story and so happy Mrs. Altmann was victorious!
Superb in every way
Very nice historic story telling by a participant in the history!!
Excellent
Great program. Now, if Mr. Schoenberg would do a film on his illustrious grandfather. . .or at least a lecture.
Amazing!!
IF ONLY PAINTINGS COULD SPEAK.!!!!.........SAW THE FILM LOVED IT, AND EVEN MORE NOW........Left NY the day it was auctioned.
this is a very nice story! looking forward to see the film.
FABULOUS!!!!!!.......just loved this!!...i love Klimt...
Thought the movie was great and the story while tragic, inspiring! This family was robbed of everything and even with proof had to fight to recover what was theirs. Shame on the state department for aiding the Austrians in their theft. So glad justice prevailed in this case!
Saw the movie. I’m in nyc. Need to go see the painting.
amazing job amazing told !!!! thank you
what a touching story!!!
Great story behind this beautiful painting.
I visited Vienna in 2019. I was inspired by the film Woman in Gold. Of course, the film probably had "Hollywood embellishments" to it. I haven't watched this video yet, so im just contemplating at this point. However, i walked away after visiting Vienna that the hardness of the Veineese government was completely uncalled for because the painting The Kiss has completely taken over the painting Woman in Gold's place in society. What a shame the rightful owners of paintings stolen by the nazis have to go through. Oh, and yes, in preparation for this amazing trip i took there, i did see the actual painting at the Neue gallery in New York City. Magnificent painting.
A very interesting story indeed! What is the movie that the narrator keeps referring to?