How's My Electric Car Battery After 100,000 Miles?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- This week we are following on with another update on our MG5 EV. It's now covered 100,500 miles and is 2 years old. We take you around the vehicle to show wear and tear, show how the traction battery is holding up in very heavy use and we look at the wear on the brakes.
So much for many of the anti-EV crowd, who say the battery has to be renewed after 6 or 7 years. Right here, we have the equivalent of 14 years average motoring... And as for the silly scare stories regarding brakes........ Thanks for the video James.
Good stuff. Watched Petrol Peds interview with his pal Moggy who electrifies classic vehicles and they did some decent myth busting as well. The phrase that stuck in my mind was when listening to somebody always value experience over opinion and this video shows how durable the modern EV is. Top work.
Thanks James. I look forward to hearing your review of the car after 200,000 miles. Those brake calipers will still be good for another 100,000. 🙂👍
Great review James. This is a great real world ‘worst case scenario’ example based on the vehicle daily use. This is the kind of stuff the media need to use.
Well done and keep up the great work.
I’ve put a post up on my EV channel to promote your video 🙌✊
Thank you 🙏🏼
@@Jamesandkate quick question if you don’t mind. Where do you send the diagnostic data from the BMS to to get your degradation report? Would love to do one on my MG4 which is 1 year old. Thanks
Of course ignoring the cobolt and lithium slave conditions !
I take it you don't use Petrol or Diesel then? Cobalt is used to remove sulphur from fossil fuels and it is then spat out of the exhaust for us all to breath btw cobalt in the atmosphere is a lung irritant LFP batteries don't contain any cobalt and lithium is obtained from Australia/South America and not Africa. A recent lithium discovery in /north America might mean the US becomes the largest lithium producer in the world if they decide to mine it. @@gowdsake7103
@@gowdsake7103 I take it you don't use Petrol or Diesel then? Cobalt is used to remove sulphur from fossil fuels and it is then spat out of the exhaust for us all to breath btw cobalt in the atmosphere is a lung irritant LFP batteries don't contain any cobalt and lithium is obtained from Australia/South America and not Africa. A recent lithium discovery in /north America might mean the US becomes the largest lithium producer in the world if they decide to mine it.
When I drove the MG5 I found it disappointing only because I'd previously driven a Kia e-Niro. Headroom, rear window view, instinctive control locations all scored lower for me. But you can't argue with the longevity and solid performance over time. A solid car. Yet another EV review with actual facts that puts the lie to the usual nonsense circulating in the mainstream media and among internet trolls.
They're 100% not for everyone. Tbh, the eNiro is a very nice car, one we considered ourselves 👍🏼
Just got my mg5 today, have to return my niro now. I feel the same i am dissapointed with the mg5, mostly because of the range I saw. 170 mile range, I know it is winter but a 80 mile lost!
@@miyoy21efficiency also depends on how you drive...
@@miyoy21 I have an MG5 and the range has been pretty much spot on. If it was 100% and showing 170miles I suspect it was based on the delivery mileage and dealer driving it. Hopefully now it is showing nearer to true mileage. (also make sure it is in ECO mode and the heater turned off)
James, how did the oil change look? Any engine fibres in the oil as it slowly destroys itself!? Oh wait… 😅 Thank you for your honest approach 👍🏻 My old diesel went to scrap last week and my new MG4 has done 400 miles in 5 days. 🎉
Amazing. We serviced an MG4 a few days ago and when test driving it reminded me how good they are to drive, such a great car.
smart meters digital money evs all part of the WEF 20-30 agenda and its all about control.remember how your battery was made and what effect on the environment.iys only zero emmisions while being used.ua-cam.com/video/HASkPCkMhbgh/v-deo.htmlttps://ua-cam.com/video/yOA7qKMcjcE/v-deo.html
No oil? Well wait till the bearings in the motor burn out, see if its cheaper than replacing a diesel engine.
Let me put you out of your misery, no its not. But keep driving those monstrosities. BTW, did you know the battery associated EMF damage the brain? But on the bright side, EV evangelists will be immune to further brain damage, they already have problems in that department.
Thank you very much for your update James. The drive battery health and tyre wear was particularly interesting. I don’t own an EV yet but I’m constantly looking at what’s around. Where I can discretely inspect them I do and have noticed creasing forming in the seat bolsters of the MG4. Are you seeing this and if so is it a cosmetics thing rather than the bolster loosing its integrity. All in all your video is such a confidence builder for those sitting on the wall. Thanks for your Chanel James and Kate.
I personally haven't seen this but the MG4's are still quite new. The seats in ours seem ok but they are leatherette and we use seat covers. I'd expect if this is an ongoing problem MG will revise them on later models.
I second the opinion of the car.
Almost 60k miles done and the only issue I've experienced is the little rattling noise from the dash on very low speeds... Other than that, no issues...
Front tyres replaced after 35k miles (for more grippy ones as the factory fitted ones were rubbish).
Rear ones replaced after 50k miles.
Regarding the warranty on these, because of the fact that I cover over 30k miles a year I chose 12month unconditional warranty from TyrePros (£12 each). They replace and fix tyres during the whole period of warranty regardless of the tyre usage. Highly recommended!
As for the electricity usage, on average I'm using 3.8 miles per kwh which is not bad given the fact that most of the trips I cover is done on motorways at legal speeds.
State of health of battery still showing 100% for me according to the main dealer service sheet and I haven't noticed any significant quality issues with the materials used inside or outside of the vehicle.
Next year I'm expecting to cover just under 100k miles so will give an update on that one.
Really surprised with this vehicle. Was expecting it to fare quite a bit worse tbh.
Will be looking to get an updated mg5, mg4 or Hyundai ioniq5 by the 2025...
Brilliant vlog. I still have the leaf and still looking lol. Best wishes
It may not be an issue yet for MG's but I almost crashed a 10 year old Mercedes because one of the rear brake pads fell apart. The friction pad separated from the back plate and my brake pedal went to the floor as I drew up behind another car. I was lucky and got stopped in time but it was close. I can only assume it was rust/corrosion that caused it because the pads had loads of material left so as a mechanic this is something you should bare in mind when working at older cars.
On a happier note largely because of the great reviews from James and other UA-camrs I bought a used MG5 and so far love the car.
If you had a diesel averaging 50 MPG (imperial), that would cost £15,000 for 100,000 miles at current average diesel prices (£1.58/l). Charging at night on Octopus Go and averaging 4 miles/kWh, it would cost less than £2000, which is similar to the servicing costs for diesel. So if the car cost £30K and goes for 200K miles, it's fully paid for itself in fuel and servicing savings (the same total cost as a free diesel car)!
Worth stating on your fleet. They aren't cosseted. They're aren't your pride and joy like someone's private car. They're a tool to let you do your job.
Only had the one issue on ours. The 12V battery went flat through lack of use and wouldn't take a charge. At the time, my wife (it's her car) was WFH full time so it only went to the shops. A new 12V battery was fitted and now she works a good distance from home and goes in 2 days a week. Otherwise zero issues. It's a great car.
I think that I watced one of your early videos on the MG5 and that convinced me to purchase one - I'd never owned a brand new car ever before in my life - I'm now 80. For many years I'd run Landrovers, Discoverys and also three Range Rovers. In fact my last ICE car was a 2004 L322 Range Rover which had an LPG conversion - that was the only way I could afford to run it!! I've had the MG5 since October 2001 and I've no regrets whatsoever. My wife and I just love the vehicle; it does everything that we want, is comfortable, easy to drive and cheap to run - what more could you want. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for your amazing comment and I'm glad the MG is looking after you both 👍🏼
since 2001?
perfect video as always mate, all I hear now is brake particles, usually I ignore but sometimes I bite. This vid is perfect. Keep,well 🙏
Thanks, John. Hope you're keeping well.
Thanks for sharing driving experience in real world working environment. That degradation figure is fantastic. I've seen much more on my first gen ZS EV but we do live in Queensland with super warm/humid summers. Keep up the great work and so sad we don't get these MG5's down here.
It may be worth doing a video on servicing by companies such as Cleaverly as a lot of people think it will invalidate the warranty also some people are concerned about software updates.
It has been illegal to force service at dealers since October 2003, you would think people would know it by now!
I don't think the none EV owners quite believe how cheap it is to run an EV, my sister looked at an electric van and was quoted £600 more for insurance than a diesel van so she dismissed it. Not including all costs and doing total cost of ownership will get you the wrong answer.. For myself I have now got my house electric/car fuel bill down to about £30 per month to run a 6 bedroom house with 6 people living in it and driving 8500 miles per year in an i3, Solar, House battery , EV, Octoppus Intelligent means I get 8.5Mwh per year for £50/month and I get £200 ish FIT/year. Next year I start getting my Ripple Energy credit so I will probably be in credit each month! 7 years of planning and saving for this is now paying back in spades. Next job heat pump..
That's impressive, good work. Sadly, some people can't think outside the box 🙁
@Jamesandkate Correct, but it's ingenious how they have managed to nail the box shut from the inside.😅
While that end result sounds cheap, how much investment has that taken and how long to break even? It's not that a lot of ICE owners don't know how cheap it 'can' be, they don't have that sort of money to make it work. It's like saying to someone they can live really cheaply only they would spend £50k first (off the top of my head).
It wasn't cheap but over 7 years it was ok. I bought second hand EVs over that time and the payback was much shorter as the price of energy rocketed. I am expecting about 8 years payback. Things to consider: do you have savings and how much interest are you getting? I chose to use my savings to remove all future electricty and diesel bills. Inflation will happen to your bills but it cannot effect an asset. @@noggintube
@@noggintubewell said mate, let's spend 20 grand on solar panels that MIGHT pay for themselves just as they are end of life. There is no way, zero, that ev car/solar or battery walls etc is substantially cheaper when factor in everything like upfront cost/difference, depreciation, etc etc. we haven't even got to the stage when ev will be charged extra to charge at home, if people think the government isn't going to come after duty then they are simply delusional.
This is the long term review I was waiting for. It confirms what we all know about running EVs - they’re streets ahead of ICE, period
I am impressed with the durability of this, food for thought.
It was implied in the video that it had not needed services, but some commets mention an annual inspection/service??
Indeed. For warranty you must maintain the 15,000 mile service intervals, but for us, we knew the car would be over 80k in 18 months and therefore out of warranty, so we haven't bothered.
@@Jamesandkate ah I see. Thanks.
Not having a regular, authorized service would immediately void any warranty !
Great stuff! That brake wear comparison was spot on. How much DC charging did that vehicle get?
Loads. Most days in fact.
Hi James - Thanks for the informed video.
The MG5's have proven to be a great workhorse and brilliant purchase.
Very interesting to see your very limit brake pad wear.
Some lower milage owners of both MG5's and ZS EV's are seeing dealers requesting discs & pads replacement at only two years old !.
Rear disc's on the ZS EV are only available as OEM items and are expensive.
Have you witnessed any premature replacement necessary yourself ?.
Are you using the OEM disc's on the rear's ?.
Thanks.
Hi, this is normally through corrosion and lack of use, but lack of servicing the rear pads that seize also cause problems. We can source aftermarket rear discs and pads and have changed a few on the ZS to date.
Thank you James - I will pass on your comments, I have had no luck tracking down third party rear discs for the ZS EV@@Jamesandkate
I’m glad you like the MG5!! It’s a very good looking car, but it’s not for me!! But there again, it’s more likely to be seen with a taxi driver!! They’re used by the taxi company in Harlow!!
Yep, taxi drivers seem to love them 👍🏼
I don’t have a home charger yet. I live in a small block’s bungalow and have a private parking space in a communal parking lot.
Hopefully you can get one, it makes running an EV so so cheap.
Hi James
Love the channel. However I would bring to your attention that 100,000 miles in 2 years is not the same as 14 years for the traction battery as batteries deteriorate from 2 things; charging cycles and AGE i.e the chemistry of the battery deterioates due time since manufacture as well as charge cycles.
Indeed, but the degradation curve of NMC, that's well documented, should show only a 2% variation over this time. We have 10yo 300k mile Teslas with over 85% SOH
Correct but it looks like a really good start .
@@Jamesandkate You can't extrapolate that beyond a certain point. The degradation curves are based on chemical processes with steady kinetics, and even though not all the process are fully understood, their sum total is pretty predictable. The problems come when you have processes occurring that aren't linear with time. A good example is electrolyte loss, via diffusion though seals. Though the loss might be fairly linear, it's effect isn't: The SoH remains constant whilst there remains enough electrolyte to transport lithium ions (there is always a little excess in the battery), then when the cell gets dry the high rate performance (max current) will drop a bit, but it won't affect capacity, and then the cell will just suddenly die when a specific threshold is reached. And this is just one example - there are other sudden-death processes.
I would love one of those , wonder how much one with 100,000 miles would be? Much better than my 121000 mile leaf 30
Apparently it's worth 10k, but you can pick them up for really good prices now.
@@Jamesandkateat 10k that's a bargain
What's your thoughts , been looking at an older mg5 or Renault Zoe 52kwh , they seem about the same price , which is a better car? Thoughts please
I have a 2020 Nissan Leaf e+ that has only done 12000 miles in 3 years yet for the past two services and recent MOT I have had an advisory on the front disks due to excessive rust. I am going to get these replaced as it is a lease car but Nissan have quoted £480 to replace these and the pads. I had another Leaf before this that did 30000 miles without any issues. I can't help but feel this is due to inferior materials but no chance of brakes being under warrenty. The dealer has said it is probably lack of use of the brakes that has caused the rust build up.
Do you use e-Pedal with B mode enabled? If I were you I’d fully charge the Leaf to 100%, turn off e-Pedal, place in D mode and do some hard braking in a safe area. You’ll probably clean off the brakes by doing this as regen is basically nil when the battery is 100%.
We charge £180+vat for front discs and pads on the Leaf, and we come to you. The pads 100% need greasing or you will suffer corrosion.
@@trainingtheworld5093 Thanks I did try that, or very similar, for a few days before my last service and it did clean the surface of the discs but not enough to stop them still being an advisory.
@@Jamesandkate Thanks for the response I have sent email to Cleevely to discuss further.
One thing that might be worth commenting on is while a traction battery with 100K through put isnt showing any particular issues you could find a battery thats had less usage is worse because its been left sat at a high voltage for long periods as thats a known issue for lithiums which cause degredation faster than cycling. Good little round up of the MG 5 though.
James - a good review! These MG5s seem to be a good fit for your tasks, if you can locate chargers on the long mile days. Seems like that was a problem early on, or in some locations for you. Surprising the brakes survive that well on those cars, and no real battery degradation either - awesome!
You should put a single MY to work for comparison, since the SC spacing and time spent charging should be quite beneficial to the guys, and the interior space available on the Y - wow! You may want air suspension to be available prior to getting one due to the steady “ballast”?
The MY is certainly in my thinking, I know it will do well.
Thanks for the review (I'll stick it in the memory bank for later), it COUNTERS a lot of opinions (and facts!!) I've already seen which are quite negative. There are (too many to be dismissed) cases of batteries just "out" of warranty requiring replacement, and the replacement costs being truly horrendous. (I've seen the invoice from Roger Dean Chevrolet quoting nearly $30,000 USD to replace a hybrid battery in a Chevrolet Volt at around 70,000 miles). In Australia, at this point in time (we have some of the most expensive electricity in the world), it just isn't viable to go electric (a "tank" of electricity is "about the same" as a tank of petrol when range is factored in), and the periodic requirement for long distance driving without charging stations is the reality at this point in time.
I have a MG5 LR and I asked for the tyres to be rotated at the first service at the main dealer.There was a lot of hissing of teeth,as they said that would be an extra £180 as the TPMS sensors wouldn't be in the right corners etc. It was just a query so I left it,and will just do my usual fitting winter rated tyres and keep the originals.I think you just swap tyres and rims back to front and vice versa,but it seemed that the dealer was not keen or just looking for more £££.
Yep. Tell them to mark the wheels and swap them.
Thanks James.My previous ZS had a rim swapped by a third party tyre garage by mistake.Only found out when I picked up a massive puncture.Does your company come to Aberdeen and does it effect the warranty.Im getting brassed off with main dealers.
Great insights, thank you James!
My pleasure!
Congratulations for your review 👏! Could you please share us how much you usually charge the battery (80% / 90% / 100% of the max load) ?
Hi. 100% 5 nights a week and regularly rapid charged.
What a great car. I can't believe the state of the brake pads.
I am very pro-EV and have an MG5 LR myself. At 7:24 you say that 100k miles over 2 years and over 10 years is the same. Not exactly, as lithium batteries chemically degrade even if they are stored at 40% in a cold place and not used at all. It's not going to be a huge amount, but just cycling the battery/energy throughput alone isn't the only predictor for wear as average temperature, age and average depth of charge/discharge definitely has a bearing too. Do you know anything about 12V system issues on these cars?
Come 200k(?) I'd be offering the car back to MG (For a reasonable consideration) just so they can show it to any potential buyer worried about longevity.
Even taking it around the car shows in a "used" condition with a picture of the odometer on the front would be a great advert.
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(I bet it ends up as your company "emergency transport")
I do actually do that when the cars displayed. A little print out with currently mileage and costs to date. It goes down well.
I been in absolute budget EV taxis with 400-500k km in China and they are fine.
SAIC knows what they are doing and people will figure it out soon enough
This MG it’s strong, relieve and cheap… 💪
I'm sure you and the team have considered it, but have you considered a maxus t90ev with a utility/service bed on the back? Rubbish charging curve, I know (despite the 90kWh pack), but there might be some tax advantages to the pickup truck, and it might give options for more kit in the back. Back in the day the AA used the venerable Vauxhall Brava pickup (Isuzu underneath) for the same job.
I'm just doing a review on one that we filmed last year. It was a poor vehicle imo and certainly no good for us.
Does anyone know if alternating the wheels to even out tyre wear affects the tyre pressure monitoring system (TPS) on an MG5? Thanks
Thanks for the update.
Definition of workhorse.
Great economics.
I have a face lift ZS EV and it's great! However, MG is not so great...
I was told when I bought the car, that the first service would be about £65 and the next about £160. Whether that was salesman's uninformed speil, I don't know. But the first service was over twice that and the second (done yesterday) was a few quid less than twice that advised. Apparently, that's down to 'revised pricing'.
I've read that the MG warranty is not as comprehensive as one is led to believe. For example people on the forum saying that an electric roof fault was not covered etc.
So, my question is, that seeing James talk about how little needs to be done over really high mileages (mines done 14,500 miles in 2 years) why are main dealers charging so much and can we safely go to an independent? I mean, I asked for a state of health check on the traction battery and was told it was 98%, only to find that this was for the 12v battery!
@James, do you service MG EV's in Hertfordshire or know of someone who can, because I think I'll just bin MG dealers. From past experience I've found that independents give a much better service and at a reasonable price.
Thank you James, we own one and love it. When you rotated the tyres did you have to reprogram the TPMS ?
Nope. Just mark the wheel position and only move back to front, not across the car. The TPMS will be in the wrong position but it's not to hard to see which one has a puncture.
Brilliant matey 👏 👍 👌
Cheers boss 😘
Was awaiting your return- telling statement at end was 10 services on a diesel - wonder how much that would have been.
I couldn't actually get prices for them but I'd hazard a guess at £150 each??
@@Jamesandkate You forget at least 3 complete brake jobs. And maybe one engine rebuild.
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I was going to say "incidental parts"
It would be due a dpf clean or replacement by now.
@@rogerstarkey5390 modern engines do not last very long.
Some from VW only as much as 80.000km or 50.000 miles before they need a rebuild. Take it out dismantle it, new seals, new mounts, new valves, new timing chain.
Some,like Toyota or Mazda last longer (and are much more dirty, buit thats besides the point).
Most modern engines are built for Euro 6 standard which means that DPF and AGR clog the engine and intake. Most also turbo etc.
Our last fossil car, a Skoda Fabia was financially EOL with 120.000km. Engine, DPF, complete exhaust, Turbo, many suspension parts worn out. We donated it to a local small shop for 300,-- Euros.
@@tokoloshimampara9932 40 years. You say it.
40 years ago the fossil world was a good one. No filters, no emissions standards, nobody cared how dirty, poisonous or smelly everything was,.
Free breathing intake and exhaust, no electronics, no cheap parts to safe a few cents.
Its not desperation when its my own experience matey.
Why are you calling it a 'traction' battery? Does the car have a separate battery like a Tesla model S?
Yep, traction battery for making it move and a 12v battery to power 12v systems
thats pretty damn good, so much for the ‘cheap’ in chinese
Indeed 👍🏼
Love our MG5, but boy oh boy, the software is rubbish (when you can get android auto to work!) is there a firmware update that i should ask about at my next service? Otherwise, purely as a car cant fault it. Good to know how well yours is doing.
Try a wireless connector and make sure you use a genuine lead.
Really impressive! Can I ask whether you have been routinely charging to 100% or something less than that?
Hi James great straight to the point informative video thanks. Could you explain how it's possible to keep the warranty on my FL5 but have you do the servicing.i have been burnt by Nissan before insisting I have break fluid change after 18,000miles.
Brilliant review
What was the purchase price and what is the likely resale value after 100K miles ?
£24,555 inc vat, worth 10k now at 100k miles
@@Jamesandkate it would make a very good second hand buy.
100,000 mikes in 2 years?
Wow
960 miles (1500km) per week average
307km/day
Heck. Pretty much an ideal justification for an ev.
Is there an amount of work time lost to DC fast charging during work days? If so, any idea how that impacts the total cost equation?
We all choose how we spend what we earn. You can pay monthly for Ripple shares but the other items I had to save up for. You could borrow but that reduces the short term benefit. It is true that money makes money, I had nothing in my 20s but after 40 years of hard work I had enough to invest in my retirement. You have to start somewhere and I wish everyone best of luck but luck is only part of the journey.
Morning James got a quick question regarding my niro. Ive been waiting for 6 yes SIX months for a new electric motor as mine has gone gaga (getting louder and louder as time goes by) if my vehicle breaks down and appreciate the costs would be down to me (its still in warranty) what would we be looking at for a replacement/reconditioned unit please? Cheers
Hi. I actually have no idea on a recon, I think second hand would bve the best option. Was it the motor or reduction gearbox?
@@Jamesandkate The mounts was replaced last year so I confirmed with TMS and it’s the electric motor that’s being replaced
Thank you for a great video 👍
You're welcome 👍🏼
I don't agree that battery will degrade the same after 2 years and 100k miles or 10 years and 100k miles. Battery will degrade over time slightly, especially if it was not kept at around 50% soc in time when it was not driven. But anyways, these are great results so far and crazy how pads and rotors can easily last lifetime of the vehicle on EVs
Correct. Li-Ion batteries have a shelf life regardless of use so a two year old battery will be in much better shape than a ten year old battery for the same mileage.
There is an element of time based degradation, however, we are now seeing 300k Tesla running NMC at 85% SOH. The curve is normally 5% in the first year then a very steady decline. However, thoughout is the main culprit for degradation.
@@Jamesandkate There's no doubt that battery technology has improved immensely, including shelf life, regardless of chemistry. But there are rather few 10 year old EVs on the road and even fewer at 20+ years old, so the real life data are just not there yet. I think we just have to recognise that degradation over time is a fact and that will disproportionately affect low mileage vehicles that might otherwise have 20+ years of useful life.
I love your channel and I'm an EV fan but the traction battery and age is definitely up for debate. All batteries, including lithium batts suffer from calendar aging as well as cycle degradation. That's because there is always a chemical reaction going on in the battery whether it's charging, discharging or just sitting there. Calendar aging is even in the manufacturer's specs for lithium ion batteries. Calendar aging is generally put at 0.5% to 2% a year with some batteries suffering bigger drops in their first year but then levelling out.
wow this a huge cost saving... EV is such a reliable work horse...
Hi James, thanks for the video. We own the original model MG ZSEV with the small battery, and a Model 3 LR. Both have done a great job so far, with the obvious caveat of range on the MG.
How much of your charging would you estimate is on high speed DC chargers? And do you keep to 80% max as a general rule, or do you often exceed it?
I’m having to use the Tesla for monthly long trips (approx 1300 km return) so I mostly use the superchargers. The car rarely does local short journeys in between. Kim Java recently posted a video which reported on a cab driver who’s Model 3 had a catastrophic battery failure at approximately 100,000 miles. The consensus seemed to be it was daily Supercharging to 100% which caused the issue.
I’m just a bit uneasy. I’d appreciate your thoughts.
Cheers, Dave
Hi Dave. We charge to 100% every day but only 80-85 on HPC's. Going to 100 on a HPC doesn't balance the pack correctly and ultimately this can cause issues down the line.
Thanks James, I appreciate your response. By the way, we bought the MG at the end of 2021 (it was a dealer demo) based on yours and Kate’s videos of your time with one before you got the 5. Having had the Tesla for a few months we knew EVs are the future. Cheers from South Australia.
Love it James. Big up yours to all the EV haters!
How were the Davanti tyres for energy, noise and handling compared with the originals? I need to replace my ID3s Bridgestones at 21,000 miles in part because they started with 6mm tread rather than the usual 7-8mm.
I used Davanti tyres on my last ICE car. They seemed fine. I'd buy them again.
They are really good, very quite and softer than the originals. We will continue with them.
Please let me know when you want to sell it, I need to replace my diesel estate with an ev estate and I want something that is already "well used". 👍🏻
We have two high mileage so we'll tweet when they're ready to go 👍🏼
Sounds good, thanks.
Good review but how has it been charged ?
60% home vs 40% high power approx.
OK so 60% on 7kw and 40% on 50kw or higher ?@@Jamesandkate
My id.3 eats tyres. I don’t rag the car either. We’ve had 6 new tyres in 2 years. Also picked up a couple of punctures. Lucky they are covered in our lease. But the car has been great. Very cheap to run.
I have been told the same thing. I believe they start with less rubber too.
Wow, my 1972 VW Bay van had 220k on it!
You know that you can charge non-tesla's on the Tesla network now? As long as you have the CCS2 connector and a smartphone app.
I’d consider one of these, but sadly the local dealer is Richmond, total bandits to deal with, can’t get anything right, think nothing of having you off the road for 6 weeks at a time for simple stuff
Fair, and a shame. There are other options for servicing and repairs however.
@@Jamesandkate yeah true, I had a Hyundai off them, literally everything the touched was awful, admin errors, lies, damage, doing work in the wrong car(other customers repairs on your). Had to chase continuously to get warranty work done. I eventually cut my losses as it was a full time job dealing with them. God forbid you had a serious issues that needed them to act in anything quicker than months . Keep up the great vids
I do notice on my EV, I’m not cleaning brake dust of the wheels, like all my other cars before it ..And I’ve been driving it seven months now.
And for that reason you'll not be pumping it in to the air for people to breathe. Great stuff 🙏🏼
@@Jamesandkate that’s good, as I live opposite a primary school. But only 3 EVs on my street.
Great vid. Will be doing a vid on the Tesla once its done 100k. Not l9ng now 🤓
Look forward to it. If you need a traction battery SOH we can facilitate that for you 👍🏼
After watching your video's, I'm converting to EV. I repent my past 🙏
I don't agree: age is also relevant for each part of the car. The car in this video drove many miles in 2 years and it drove in better circumstances: it was warmed up more and all condens could evaporate. Rust is also not an issue. However: your car will probably come on de the second hand market with an altered odometer.
As far as costs go these cars are not cheap as chips to run though are they. £36000 new and after 2 years and 100,000 miles what is the depreciation. I shall give you an example. VW golf diesel over 2 years depreciates around £5000. The equivalent VW EV depreciates £19,000 in 2 years. That makes the running cost out of most famies reach. Be interesting to know what your depreciation is on that MG
Bravo James! EVs every time
Impressive 👍
Thanks 🙏🏼
Chinese rule the world of Evs. A great video and Saic motor seem to be the only company selling a fully electric estate car - come on other car companies your way behind!
I was about to say this was a good bit of STRESS testing but come to think of it, it is not :)
Motorway high mileage doesn't cause too much wear and tear!
City driving high mileage cause extremely high wear and tear!
That's why people don't buy ex-taxis!
Potholes, humps, stop/start traffic, braking and endless hard turning and u-turns kills the car!
Just wondering how Tesla charge 30 to 40p per Kwh when all the others charge 79p round here in Suffolk. Does Tesla get cheap electricity or is it the usual rip off Britain from the major suppliers
Good question. Tesla are passing on the actual costs to their users. The price per kWh wholesale has been 11.3p this year. Basically, other CPO's are charging for their investment costs.
@@Jamesandkate Ahh. Thanks for that
Did not mention the battery life ,the distance you make on a charge ,and the re sell value.
Just rambling about the car being dirty.
I showed the battery SOH in the vid. It wasn't about the range, it was about how the car is holding up.
Defo makes me put MG5 highup on the list of considerations for my first EV. I refuse to buy another ICE car, just not doing it!
My car's done 102k in 4 years, had 4 services costing a total of £1700, takes 5 mins to charge with a range of 740 miles. Oh and it's only depreciated by 20%.
£1700! I haven't spent that on charging, tyres or wiper blades. alone. Sounds like you've got a shed there 😳
You some how failed to mention the fuel cost. Do you know that figure?
@@ianhamilton3113 £12,320 over 4 years.
I did over 40k in one of these in about 18 months. Would I buy one, no. Mine was a service vehicle, the efficiency etc, couldn't fault it, the PU Seats were terrible, the AC wasn't good enough, so many stupid oddities with the head unit and mfd, why do we need a popup warning us the full beam is on, when I've just turned it on. So many annoying features/bugs.
Completely agree, that is a weird thing. The facelift is a much better car, sorted all the previous issues.
@@JamesandkateThat's good to know, if I was given one again, it would be cloth seats for sure. 😅
tesla charers v4 opening to all soon
100k in 2 year isn’t the same as 100k in 14 years with average usage. Time matters to electrical and mechanical things. Time will expose different failure modes.
This is an ev servicing company advertising how little service ev needs.
Exactly that. Must be honest then?
If you think you might buy a MY - remember that the stalkless wonders are threatening James/Kate.
I'd 100% buy used, with stalks.
@@Jamesandkate I’ve had enough of the embarrassing association and looking at MG4 (77) as a replacement for our M3.
I can not believe two sets of tires in 100k miles
Remember the first 50k were on the originals, we replace them at 45-50k, it varies vehicle to vehicle. The tyres in this vid were two weeks old.
@mikestead3804 For the benefit of those who can't count (including Jamesandkate) it's actually 3 sets of tyres in 100k miles...😉!
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As long as you don’t charge it at a bp pulse at 90p kilowatt! I have an electric car and it’s shit
dont batteries degrade over time and especially if they are just sat doing nothing. i had a zoe and did 50000 in two years and battery was at 98.8% and i abused it ran flat and charged to 100%
Yes they do, but it's very slow. Throughput is the main cause of degradation.
I don't think James can count... the vehicle is, by his own calculation, on it's "3rd"... not "2nd" set of tyres !
Indeed. But the third are brand new, and we have bought two sets. It’s quite simple
Someone paid £33k for it originally in 2017 but I paid £19k two years ago.
You've lost me. This was £24,555 new.
Well done! I just wished all the disbelievers would take it in to!
They don't watch this sort of factual content, it doesn't suit their rhetoric 😔
Cells defiantly sufferer from calendar ageing which works in conjunction with cycling in order to degrade the traction battery. There's no way a 10 year old battery which has done 100k would have the same residual capacity as a 2 year old 100k battery.
The warranty is based around 8 years and throughput. Also Li-ion has a known degradation curve. We have 10 year old 300,000 mile Teslas with 86% SOH remaining.
I'm not convinced that Lithium batteries suffer greatly from calendar ageing. I have a ten year old, low mileage, Peugeot Ion that in summer exceeds the WLTP range (on hilly roads) by around 7% and in winter is only down on that by 22%.
Any age-related battery degradation is more likely to be caused by being left excessively discharged, perhaps owing to self-discharge after long periods of non-use.
I'd be interested to see what they're like after 15 or 20 years, 10 is nothing.
@@deanstyles2567 But 15 to 20 years is pretty irrelevant given that most people don't keep a car longer than 7 to 8 years at most. I think you'll find 10 years is not "nothing", it's 10 years. Would you dismiss waiting at a bus stop for ten years, as "nothing"?
Like James and Kate, you havent taken into account that your battery likely has at least 10% reserve capacity. Your degradation more likely higher than 17 % and youve likely used up all that reserve by now.@@sailingoctopus1
There are several expert articles where battery aging is distinguished by mileage and age precisely because of the slow but measurable change in battery chemistry over time.. I don't know where the truth lies, but the problems with older batteries in the Nissan Leaf may indicate something.. The second thing is corrosion protection , which all Chinese cars have bad, unfortunately not even Ford is a winner :-) For me, something else is more important: MG is the Chinese communist state factory SAIC, which financially subsidizes the production of MG, financially favors the purchase of the battery, furthermore, the production is not ecological and China supplies the parts Russia for arms... May it is time to support "west" ev's more than from china ...
You like it, well you would wouldn't you.
Say what?
Two years old 100,000 miles my car has done 74,000 in 13 years . £40 per month why would i want to buy a EV. If hydrogen comes in id probably buy one . The only thing is my car is dated. 58.9 mpg.
Answer: the battery has lost 6%.
We have long been warned that Lithium Ion batteries degrade over time to a degree, irrespective of use. I would be interested to know where you learned that this is not the case - ref your comments at 7min 16.
I did say they don't suffer natural degradation, but the degradation curve of li-ion is well documented to show very little. We look after many 10yo old Teslas with very high mileage 200/300k, and still above 85% SOH, so I'm basing my comments in experience. We were warned that these batteries had a life span of 7 years, this has now been changed to 28 years by Tesla.
…and what was not mentioned, as I understand, the rate of degradation is higher initially
James, as a follow up can you do a price comparison with the diesel version