Had one of these on my '07 Outback for 50,000 miles. Overlanded with it a bit and never had an issue. They do sell a plastic lock clip that locks the valve lever in place, too.
That oil is new and thicker than used oil also its cold , you normally do a oil change while the oil is warm or hot , I have that valve on my car and it drains just as fast as using a normal plug
@@j_zales1390 I actually want it to slow down from the regular plug. I have one of those pans that has a hole it has to drain down into and the regular plug flows so fast it can barely keep up.
Cold oil flows so much slower. One great thing about the Fumoto valve is draining hot engine oil without burning your hand, dropping the drain plug into the pan. Plus, because it's so easy to do an oil change I never go over milage on an oil change. Used them for years on many cars and will continue to use them.
I never had an issue with a drain plug until I installed a skid plate. The access hole to drain is large enough, but I'd always have oil splashing on top of the plate, which would migrate everywhere. The Fumoto valve makes oil changes super clean and easy. No tool oil changes. Also, the threads don't extend past the threads of the pan itself, so it's not leaving any more oil in than normal.
I'm definitely ordering an F106N now with these two comments. The drain plug on my Ford F53 is 2 feet off the ground but the oil just gushes over the solid front axle - and splashes out of the drain pan - when the plug falls. With the Fumoto I'll be able to start draining 10 seconds after I shut off the 6.8 liter V10, and with a tube I can drain right into the container I'm hauling to O'Reilly's. No more wasted shop towels for the front axle.
It's so damned easy you can do oil changes on a roadtrip. Stick the cheapest drain pan the parts store has under there, open the valve, go have lunch or walk the dog or take a leak. Dump the pan in the used oil collection bin, yeet the pan in their dumpster, done. (Note I'm also a Subaru jerk and thus my oil filters are located on top of the engine in the cleanest possible orientation - so I can literally do the whole damned process without any risk whatsoever of mess)
@@timsilva1944 It does leave more, simply due to the thickness of the wall of the Fumoto valve itself, but, in all honesty, it is negligible. We install them for our clients all the time.
They're essentially a brass, natural gas valve. I absolutely love the things. Been using them since the 90s. Never have to touch an oil drain valve again.
I've had Fumoto valves on 4 of my vehicles, some of them for over 8+ years now. No issues to report and I'm all smiles. If the oil is hot (as it should be) the drain doesn't take any longer than normal. My oil is always drained by the time I have the filter changed. The amount of oil left in the pan will be determined by the shape of the pan itself, not the plug.
Oil temperature is a big factor here. With a Fumoto or equivalent I don't have any hesitation about starting the drain while the oil is hot, since it's much easier to direct the flow without splashing yourself. With a drain plug there's always that chance you manage to splash scalding hot oil on yourself.
No. you are wrong, the increased depth of the threads will leave more residual oil and sludge particlels in the bottom of the pan than just removing a normal oil drain plug.
@@GTVAlfaMan lol. Do you not comprehend what I'm telling you? Again, the threaded portion of the valve does not protrude past the pan threads. I'd attach a picture for you if I could.
Been using Fumoto oil drain valves since the 1990s. Love them. The one I put in my new 2007 F-150 FX4 is still going strong in 2024. Never a drip. Put one in, never have to mess with a drain plug again.
True...same here. IT's true that it does take longer to drain but with hot oil, it's not as different as it was in this video. I usually crack mine open and then while it's draining, I remove the old oil filter, put the new one on, open the new oil bottles to get them ready, and then remove the fill cap and get my funnel ready. By that time, draining is done so zero time lost overall...just doing all the other stuff while it's draining...time management is key. Also, no time needed to get tools out, cleaned up, or put away since this valve opens tool-free.
Yep. And, while there is a small residual of old oil compared to a traditional drain plug I feel like it’s negligible if you properly agitated the oil anyways. IMO, the benefits far outweigh any potential issues.
@@808Mark you just want to drive it a bit… maybe a quick drive around the block. You don’t need to get it to operating temp or anything… just enough to move the particulates which had settled.
Getting the oil hot really helps. But since I do my changes in the garage the valve does make it a little easier to not make a mess. Having said that, I would usually open the oil and then get the filter swapped. By that time it's mostly already out anyway.
I got one from a junkyard and put it on my baja. I like it, I’m not too concerned about the time to drain and one really nice thing I’ve noticed is it makes it wayyyyy easier to partially drain your oil. Whether it’s for an additive or just because you overfilled it’s a huge help there. I’m going to start putting my drivers side up on a ramp when I’m changing oil though, I had no idea the oil pan retains so much even on a regular drain. Thanks Net!
We use them on heavy diesel, Cat c12, Cummins ISM/ ISX.. fishing a drain plug out of 10 gallons of hot oil sucks ass, especially when they're brass plugs. Magnet can barely pick up the ferrous ones, they're heavy af. Plus you have to take oil samples, it just makes everything easier.
Just gonna say I hate it on cat equipment throughout all the oil changes the stupid valve ends up going bad and equipment will be out of oil in the yard we ended up just making a special plug and thrown it on
how does the valve go bad do the seals in the ball valve leak or something seems like it would take forever for an oil leak like that to empty a drain pan.@@turtlezilla7371
We switched to a quick disconnect style on all of our c15 and x15 engines. When using a pump to suck it out it really helps eliminate the mess and lifting. If you want to take a sample it’s still pretty easy too, we made an extra coupler with just a hose so you can drain some to flush it then grab your sample.
I had a fumoto valve on my old BRZ. It was admittedly slower than using a normal drain plug, but it doesn't drain as slow as it did in this video, probably because of the fact that it's cold oil. I'd probably run a No-spill kit next time. I used to sell them for the heavy trucks, like cummins and caterpillar powered Kenworths. It's a bit better at draining than the fumoto
I think it's fair to call the extra oil leftover negligible. The problem is there's always going to be oil leftover in the engine's oil passages and pump--probably more than 250ml. Even if you warm the engine up, the oil stuck in those passages will have contaminants. They won't necessarily settle at the bottom unless there are pieces of piston ring in there--modern oil is designed to suspend contaminants, I wouldn't expect there to be a significantly larger concentration on the bottom. I think the main concern is time--if you're patient, there's no harm done using the valve.
I'm starting to think maybe it's not such a bad thing... If by some terrible luck (or incompetent lube tech) you find yourself running the car after the oil has been drained, leaked, etc. without refilling, at least there will still be SOME oil in there, for whatever little that might be worth, better than bone dry.
The amount of oil leftover was always negligible to me as well and while it does take longer I'm usually doing other things while it's draining like a tire rotation or something else.
Exactly this. Unless you're tearing apart your engine and using brake clean in every crevice... There will always be a negligible amount of oil leftover
I put the Fumoto valve on my Acura TL as it has an aluminum oil pan and I didn't want it to get stripped out again. The dealership stripped it out some years ago and it was 4-500 dollars to get it fixed. I am able to reach under the car and open the valve without even jacking the car up, and while it is draining I will then jack the car up in a way that hopefully more of the oil gets drained out. I could do an entire oil change without jacking the car up at all if I had to. It is a good product in its construction and materials, but the extra oil not being drained out and the slow draining are legitimate criticisms. I would only recommend one to someone who is trying to make oil changes easier (live in an apartment complex perhaps) or is trying to ensure that an aluminum pan does not get ruined. Good video, on a legit topic. Thanks dude.
I have an off road truck with a skid plate below the oil pan. If you don't remove the skid plate, then oil drains onto it and makes a major mess. It's not a major ordeal to remove the skid plate, but it is a pain in the butt to have to do it every time. The fumoto valve with long nipple and a short length of tubing makes draining the oil a million times quicker and easier!
That dealer tightened the drain plug too much. I have a 2003 TL-S and the torque on the drain plug is only 29 pounds because it uses a crush washer. That dealer should have replaced the oil pan at their expense. It is amazing at how many mechanics don't torque these drain plugs, and think they have to be really tight. 29 pounds of torque is nothing. I would expect this at one of those quickie oil change places, but not the dealer. I change my own oil without jacking up the car and without using one of these Fumoto plugs.... no issues. I use a short 4 inch ratchet wrench and a low catch pan.... I break the plug loose with the wrench and no oil drips, then slide the pan underneath and have enough room to get my fingers between the drain pan and the plug and turn out the plug... no mess at all. But i have a wad of paper towels ready when i slide my hand back out since my fingers have lots of oil on them... It drains very fast. Put the plug back. I actually don't torque the plug anymore, because i know what 29 pounds is after all these years..... just snug. Then slide the pan over to the filter and change that (the tires get turned all the way to the left to see the filter)... 20 minutes for the whole job and 10 minutes to clean up...
When I use jackstands to do an oil change, the engine is tilted back so it drains most of that extra oil out anyway. The fumoto valve would make less since for Netgear since he has Quickjacks which keep the engine level with the ground. To each their own I guess
Those lifting level could counter that by *slightly*, and I mean, slightly blocking up the front side of the jack points so you're doing a lift version of a Carolina Squat. But... for simplicity and far less dicking around, advantage: Team Jackstands!
I’ve had a fumoto valve on my car for 6 years, no leaks or anything. I change my oil every 3k-4k miles. It’s probably not recommended for every car, but I’ve been happy with it.
I’ve got a fumoto valve on my Crown Vic and I love it. I think the design of the oil pan has a lot to do with it too. I put 6 qts in and I get 6 qts out every time. Makes oil changes a snap. I’ll be keeping it.
The 6 qts in and 6 qts out doesn't show how much is left. You'll always get the same amount out as you put in no matter how much always stays behind in the engine and oil pan. If the amount that stayed behind kept increasing with each fill, you'd run out of space for new oil and eventually never be able to change the oil.
As far as the slow draining, it’s pretty quick when the oil is hot like you suggested earlier. I was hesitant to put one on my vehicles because I hate adding a point of failure. But after 3yrs on one of mine, it’s pretty awesome and I have 0 issues with it. After doing many oil analysis’s, the difference between before and after installation of the valve regarding your concern about residual oil left over was nothing. Driving conditions cause more of a change in the analysis than that did. If you’ve ever taken your car to a dealer or somewhere else for an oil change, they likely don’t even wait till it’s dripping, so that’s a moot point there.
I love the fumoto valve. You wouldn't have to struggle removing the plug like you did here. Also wouldn't have the mess either. No chance of of stripping the threads/developing a leak. Easy to get test samples. Just attach the vinyl tube to the valve and straight into an empty oil container. No mess! Not sure about this particular oil pan but check that the threads are the same length as the stock drain plug so it doesn't protrudevinto the pan butbis flush with yhe bottom. Also for this pan you should definitely angle the car to get more out.
Even at a tilt some of that oil will stay. If it’s really something someone doesn’t like you can always sacrifice a bit of oil to wash the pan out every few changes if it’s a concern.
Yeah I thought flushing with the new oil was standard practice. It also means you don't have to wait forever for every last drip to stop. Seems a lot of people in the comments for this video don't do that at all.
@@JunkCCCP It's not a waste when you think about what it does. Any really nasty shit that might be in your oil will be right at the bottom. That's what you're leaving behind when you don't flush. I'm fine with spending the extra $3 to do this.
Is the pan at the same angle as it would be in the vehicle? I change mine on ramps or jackstands and the angle is probably quite a bit different on the engine at that point than what looks to be perfectly level on that stand so maybe there isn't that much left in the pan in the real world oil change?
Exactly my thoughts, the test was equivalent to changing your oil on a level flat surface.. Also he went through it trying to get that bolt off. I bought the fumoto...
I had a random petcock on a G35 I bought from a insurance auction(pre slideshows), drained pretty quickly when the oil was hot. I think the biggest thing to speed it up is always taking off the oil cap so the air can fill the crank case instead it pulling a vacuum. Hope to see more garage vids in the future!
I suppose if you are using some sort of lift that keeps the pan level, and not getting the oil up to operating temp, then this test is accurate. But when I do my oil changes, I jack the car up slightly higher on one side to force the oil to the side where the valve is. And the oil is hot. Drains quick. Hot oil flows much, much faster than cold, as you know. But it would be a lot more effort to heat the oil up first to the appropriate temp for this type of test.
yeah, i use them they are slower than a drain plugs but not this slow and it is way less messy. and my car is tilted towards drain as most home mechanics would be.
Nice to see your perspective. My only complaint is the slow drain. But I love the neatness and the not having to torque the drain plug or replace a crush washer every time.
i only replace the washer every 4 or 5 changes . it’s just a plug bolt and no need to crush the crush washer - no leaks, no worrying about out over torquing and no fighting with the plug bolt like the op.
@@jonnyz5772Really depends on oil change interval for washer replacement. I've been putting a new one on each time because my civic has a 16K km oil interval and I don't want it to leak in the condo parking garage. The 1$ for an overpriced one from Honda with the filter doesn't even register on the budget.
I've had one on my 2005 Jeep TJ 4.0L for 15 years after installing a skid plate that limited access to reach the drain plug. Also have one on my 2013 Abarth 500. Never a problem and enjoy having them
I have used a few and love them. Yeah they drain slow but it's alot cleaner....and if you are doing your oil changes every 3-5k then it shouldn't be an issue...and settled crud is coming out at the start. If it's a concern, you can always remove the valve yearly to check. Other benefits are partial drains for samples, and reduced likely hood of damaging the pan or drain bolt.
Bicycle pumped oil change FTW! Did this about as long, because I've been a VW TDI cultist since 2006. Topside only oil+-cartridge filter change in 10 minutes? Yes, PLEASE! I gotta save up all that time saved for all the other things that go wrong or need fixing!
I have used them in the past. What I liked about it was I could change the oil on my car without jacking it up. I could slide a pan under and reach the valve with no issue. I didn't care how long it took. I opened the valve then did other stuff and came back later.
I have run these Fumoto valves for years and yes, they are very slow draining compared to just removing the plug. I just let it start draining and go back inside the house for a half hour or so. It really does save me from making a mess.
Instead of tilting the pan you should have pulled out the fumoto valve out to actually see how much more oil you could get with the drain plug. I had these valves on approximately 40 pieces of equipment and never had any issues with the oil hot as it should be when you change the oil. You can drain your oil when it is extremely hot without burning yourself like you would with a drain plug.
The left over oil doesn't really matter since most people who keep up with maintenance usually change there oil to early anyway. As for the valve being to slow also a non issue because first thing i do is open the valve then go take off the filter, grab the new filter and prefill it and put it on and by then the car is drained. Close the valve and top her off. Instead of wasting time messing around with the oil drain plug that mysteriously got tighter since the last change. You can spend the time messing around with the oil filter that mysteriously went from 1/2 a turn after gasket touching it to tool tight. Also a plus of the fumoto is it never makes a mess.
Not sure if this even is beneficial but usually when I drain the oil and it has stopped dripping, I pour a bit of fresh oil in from the top and more dark used oil starts to come out of the pan again. After that has drained I then put the plug back, otherwise I'm left with oil in an opened canister that I have no use for anyways.
With the Fumoto, I can change my oil with a phillips and flat head screw driver to open up the plastic shield which is nice. I change my oil early and often so the bit of left over isn't a big issue.
It was so slow because the oil was fresh, I have used that valve for a while now and it drains pretty quick because the oil gets thinner over time. I also usually drain it while warm. Doesn't even take 5 minutes. Seeing how much oil was left in after the plug is out really surprised me. That's an engineering issue
I use the “Valvomax”, it’s a stainless ball valve with a screw on cap. Insert connector and opens the ball valve to drain through tube. Has been almost as fast as a drain plug.
The thing I don't care about with the valvomax is that you need that separate insert for it to drain. Extra piece to keep track of, have on hand where and when you want to drain it, bring with you under the car, etc every time you change your oil.
It drains a lot quicker when the engine is warm. I'd say it's a non-issue when the oil is hot. Lot less likely to burn your hand as well because you never get it on you like you often do with the drain plug.
Seen em on generators for my whole career,theyve been around for probably 30-40yrs before that. Cant say ive really had an issue with one,other than the factory not tightening one enough. And we use vacuum pumps to drain oil anyways.
Thanks for going the extra length to set up an experiment but when you change your oil you're supposed to do so with the oil warm so it will be less viscous and therefore less likely to take forever to drain and if you jack the car up on its 2 front mounting points the oil pan is at an angle which negates the leftover oil issue.
I’ve got one of these valves on my car. Never had a problem with it. The oil is draining so slow because it’s room temperature. Hot oil drains so much quicker. I always change my oil hot so that all the crap in the system is suspended and runs out. I have a lift so I also do an under vehicle inspection in grease wherever there is a fitting while it drains. Nice video👍
but if oil filter is on bottom of car you have to lift it up anyway unless you are lucky enough to have a top filter or real easy front of engine model.
Would’ve been a better comparison had the oil been heated up to 100+ degrees. Anyone who’d take the extra step of buying this valve at least knows that the motor and oil should be hot at the time of the oil change.
This. I have no complaints with my Fumoto valves. I even have them on 2 race cars. Makes it super simple for taking a sample, or removing oil from an overfill.
I use the Fumoto I change oil in my garage for our three vehicles and sometimes it’s a perfect storm when you rip the drain plug out and the oil hits your catch pan like putting a spoon under a faucet.
Firstly like you said the oil needs to be hot. Secondly if you where changing the oil on a level like on a lift where the car is level then yea there would be quite a lot of oil left. But if you where a DIY and only had the front of the car lifted high enough to get under, then it might just be the same with the drain plug (level surface) vs. Fumoto (one side of the car raised). Opposite of the drain hole.
Big advantage of these valves is if you have to get an oil change at a garage, they are not using an impact wrench to strip your drain plug threads. or if you have teenage kids they are not over or under tightening drain plug i put them on two of my cars it is a bit slow, but I park on a sloped driveway so more will come out and let it drain a while with a warm engine. makes it foolproof for people overtightening or under tightening pan bolt. they make a bunch of different models the newer ones are a bit faster flow with a bigger hole through the valve you can get short versions to not stick down too much or right angle and you can put a hose on to drain right into a bottle. you can buy different protective latches to keep handle from accidently opening but it already has a built-in notch to hold handle closed.
Besides the time to drain. Arent you supposed to jack up the front end of most sedans/coupes to make sure the oil drain correctly? I own an 01 civic and the manual says to jack front end up to make oil pan drain hole be at the bottom of the engine without and angle.
After 60 years of doing oil changes I find the Fumoto valve to be wonderful. I wonder why they don't come as a standard feature on all vehicles. I remember working on a Peugeot in the 1960s that even had a drain valve that was operated by a linkage you pulled from above while standing over the engine.
This is reassuring for our 2 vehicles with fumotos. Plus i do these two vehcles on ramps with front raised. Not too corcerned about residual oil as i do mine often enough. Not sure fumoto valve causes more sidual oil though.
Genuine question for testing purposes, would it be possible to test the valve with the oil hot? it should drain faster if it's hot, and because all you have to do is open the valve instead of remove the plug it *should* in theory be easier and safer to get hot oil out. i'd be curious if it being hot would improve the drain time
Being hot would for sure improve the drain time, but the same would be true for the normal plug. Heat, however, would do nothing for the extra oil the fumoto keeps in the pan
Would probably at PEAK shave 2 1/2 minutes off the valve. The only reason I could see is for not pouring on a subframe rail. I don't think even then it would be worth it. The plug itself needs to stick out more if it were for clearance. It's more of a novelty / lazy convenience.
I put a Fumoto on my 2004 Expedition about 12 years ago and liked it for convenience until the valve became very difficult to open and close. I removed it about 4 years ago and installed the original drain bolt. Maybe the newer Fumoto valves are better than my older one. I had never thought about the residual oil remaining in the oil pan. I have over 281,000 miles on my Expy so I guess no harm done. LOL. thanks for the video.
I have one on my Forester and will put one on my Crosstrek when it gets to 6000 miles. Draining right after driving makes it empty much quicker. The best part of the change is slipping a tube over the nipple, other end of the tube into the used oil jug, flipping the switch, and having everything just go right into the bottle. No dumping of a drain pan, and no fishing out a hot, nasty plug to then clean off. While it drains, I change the filter. Go back under, close the switch, remove the tube, and that's it.
Besides all the other problems with that valve, oil pans are dirty places. I feel like that valve would get clogged if there was any debris or sludge in the oil. Cool test Netgear. Thanks bro.
I put it on my car once. It was an ordeal given the limited space I had to put it on. But I was excited for how easy the next oil change was gonna be. Next oil change runs around and it’s time to change 7 qts. It took maybe 45 minutes to an hour to drain all the oil out. I gave up and took it off. I’ve got no problem with the drain bolt now.
The Valvomax system is similar, but I love it. No mess, and with a hot engine, I drained completely in 3-4 minutes. It'll drip for a few more minutes than that, but I'm never in a hurry.
Love the Fumoto valves. Have them on both of my vehicles. Don’t care how slow it is, I’m usually not in that big of a hurry. I can do other things on the car or more likely I’m doing it on the weekend and I’ll go back in the house for some lunch while I watch a game.
Definitely a niche for some specific oil pan drain designs, but definitely beneficial for drain plugs that pour straight vertically, I have one on my cummins and it makes oil changes a breeze. It's good if you like taking oil samples for testing, but even keeping it, you can always just screw it out like a normal plug, but definitely not necessary for every use case. Love the vid, Netgear and Feed!
Something else to keep in mind is if you're changing your oil in your driveway your car is gonna be up on ramps or on jacks so you got a rear-ward rake going on. If it's on a lift or over a trench though it's going to be EXACTLY like this experiment.
I've got all the sockets and wrenches, but I do enjoy Fumotos on the vehicles in our household that rack up the big mileage. It's just fast and easy and tidier. With hot oil, they pour fairly quickly and in a very preditable stream, no messy sploosh.
Net... hot used oil thats been broken down having done it's job for 6k miles is going to drain much better than brand new room temp oil right out of the bottle lol. Your mythbuster-ing game is wack yo! Lol love your stuff man.
PLAYERONE, pulling the drain plug will still drain faster, and more hot, used oil will still remain in the pan with the fumoto compared to the drain plug
Fantastic test. Used one of these on my STI when I changed oil every 2k (big turbo, e85). Biggest benefit IMO is being able to run a drain hose directly into an empty jug. Don't have one on my current car and probably won't get one again. Just not a big deal.
This honestly makes me feel way better about using an extractor. I was always worried about oil remaining in the pan. After seeing this, I'm pretty sure my extractor is getting just as much if not a more oil out, every change.
Not fair at all. You tipped the pan to drain out the plug oil then left it horizontal for the valve. Yes the valve is slow but the residual is the same.
I use a fumoto on my truck with an aftermarket skid plate. Instead of it spilling all over the inside of the skid plate i can use tubing and direct it all into the oil catch pan with no mess. Love the fumoto valve
Using these with a hose on the end is great because you can drain directly into an empty oil jug. The pan is only needed for when you remove the filter.
How about carefully grinding down the length of the threads so the threads don't protrude so far into the oil pan allowing more oil to drain out? Any reason not to do that?
I appreciate the bearing placement. We used to have that brand stocked at work. I have no idea what they were actually used for, other than to give to mechanics and say "idk why, but this reminded me of you" lmao
I have one on two of my cars -- yes it's slower, but no slower than it takes me to change the oil filter. When you have to change the oil every six weeks, and have a giant skid plate between you and the plug, you need something to make draining easier. I put one on my truck to make draining 15 qts more manageable. It's great for me, but not necessarily for everyone.
Just bought one of these for my jeep. Not worried about the small difference on oil drained since I use synthetics and could go 2 changes without breakdown. The main reason for the comment is, dude, what are you thinking? Using that much leverage on a drain bolt is insane. I estimate you put at least 3-5× the recommended torque on that. You can get proper torque out of a nut driver, and 3 fingers on a 1/4" drive ratchet is plenty. That is why I don't let quick lube places change my oil. Try a torque wrench. 1 finger will get your click at the PROPER torque.
This comparison is like watching someone "test" how well a Winter coat functions during the Summer. I've used Fumoto valves in my vehicles for years. With and without the tube, they drain identical to the OEM drain plug every time...with one caveat - no socket/wrench required, so I get an oil change accomplished more quickly.
Ive been using it for awhile. For fumoto, you have to warm up the engine. Its a shit ton better than stripping.... also i use a tube.... drive around the block warm level and done
Goddamn it i never knew the oil drain dilemma was real. My old man always taught me to use a high pressure air hose to get most of the residue off but now seeing this, it's way worse than i thought.
Put the first Fumoto valve in my '74 Porsche back in the early 90s and it's still on there today drip free (which is ironic because that engine drips like crazy). Since then I've put them on every vehicle I've owned after the first oil change. Never had a problem. It's super helpful on my lifted F350 since the oil pan is so high, I got the valve with the nipple and just run a 3/8 line into the oil pan and there's zero mess. Also VERY helpful if you overfill or want to take a sample...just open the valve and drain some. They never used to come with that plastic lock but added it a few years ago because people kept thinking that the valve could open on it's own...however, once you use one, you realize that's damn near impossible and the lock is superfluous.
Id call it negligible! Pour a little new oil in and you can get a lot of that old oil out. I change my oil warm, so it still drains extremely fast. My only concern would be it sticking out, so i only put it on vehicles where this isnt a concern. The original fumoto is only a hair long than an oil plug. I use them and love them. Good video
I'm sure this doesn't apply to your WRX, but some engines are designed to allow oil extraction through the dipstick tube. When this is the case, it's the fastest way to remove the oil, and more oil comes out (the "lip" at the drain bolt doesn't retain oil in the pan). Unfortunately it seems to be restricted to some German cars.
great video! been considering one of these for the wrx. Shocking how much oil is left in there from both - wondering if ramps would make it more or less? But please stop using your hand as a hammer! 2:15 looked painful
Could you simply drill (crossdrill) through the male threads of the fumoto? Then once you screw it in, the last bit of oil would drain through your strategically placed holes?
That thing is so slow that if it does open going down the road you'll be able to make it where you're going before you run out of oil 😂
Had one of these on my '07 Outback for 50,000 miles. Overlanded with it a bit and never had an issue. They do sell a plastic lock clip that locks the valve lever in place, too.
That oil is new and thicker than used oil also its cold , you normally do a oil change while the oil is warm or hot , I have that valve on my car and it drains just as fast as using a normal plug
same my wrx drains pretty fast@@j_zales1390
@@j_zales1390 I actually want it to slow down from the regular plug. I have one of those pans that has a hole it has to drain down into and the regular plug flows so fast it can barely keep up.
@@redneckcoder the other advantage of the Fumoto. I slip a piece of tubing over the nipple on the valve. Oil drains exactly where you want it to go.
The wrong camera falling over really caught me off guard.
How tf did you watch it already??
The Cosmos have a particular sense of humor.
It subverted my expectations
Cold oil flows so much slower. One great thing about the Fumoto valve is draining hot engine oil without burning your hand, dropping the drain plug into the pan. Plus, because it's so easy to do an oil change I never go over milage on an oil change. Used them for years on many cars and will continue to use them.
I never had an issue with a drain plug until I installed a skid plate. The access hole to drain is large enough, but I'd always have oil splashing on top of the plate, which would migrate everywhere. The Fumoto valve makes oil changes super clean and easy. No tool oil changes. Also, the threads don't extend past the threads of the pan itself, so it's not leaving any more oil in than normal.
I'm definitely ordering an F106N now with these two comments. The drain plug on my Ford F53 is 2 feet off the ground but the oil just gushes over the solid front axle - and splashes out of the drain pan - when the plug falls. With the Fumoto I'll be able to start draining 10 seconds after I shut off the 6.8 liter V10, and with a tube I can drain right into the container I'm hauling to O'Reilly's. No more wasted shop towels for the front axle.
@@ElmoIsBold You and me both buddy
It's so damned easy you can do oil changes on a roadtrip.
Stick the cheapest drain pan the parts store has under there, open the valve, go have lunch or walk the dog or take a leak. Dump the pan in the used oil collection bin, yeet the pan in their dumpster, done.
(Note I'm also a Subaru jerk and thus my oil filters are located on top of the engine in the cleanest possible orientation - so I can literally do the whole damned process without any risk whatsoever of mess)
@@timsilva1944 It does leave more, simply due to the thickness of the wall of the Fumoto valve itself, but, in all honesty, it is negligible. We install them for our clients all the time.
No clue what a fumoto oil valve is. I just like netgear videos.
I hope as the channel grows they do more Project Farm style showing and comparing products. Looks like a fancier brass T-Valve from a bathroom
They were popular in the diesel truck world back in the day. You don't hear much about them anymore
They're essentially a brass, natural gas valve. I absolutely love the things. Been using them since the 90s. Never have to touch an oil drain valve again.
I've had Fumoto valves on 4 of my vehicles, some of them for over 8+ years now. No issues to report and I'm all smiles. If the oil is hot (as it should be) the drain doesn't take any longer than normal. My oil is always drained by the time I have the filter changed. The amount of oil left in the pan will be determined by the shape of the pan itself, not the plug.
Oil temperature is a big factor here. With a Fumoto or equivalent I don't have any hesitation about starting the drain while the oil is hot, since it's much easier to direct the flow without splashing yourself. With a drain plug there's always that chance you manage to splash scalding hot oil on yourself.
No. you are wrong, the increased depth of the threads will leave more residual oil and sludge particlels in the bottom of the pan than just removing a normal oil drain plug.
@@GTVAlfaMan The thread depth is the same or nearly the same for every application I've used them.
@@Boostwerks
Yes, meaning you are not completely draining that 1/4-3/8” inches of oil remaining in the oil pan because the Fumoto device is installed.
@@GTVAlfaMan lol. Do you not comprehend what I'm telling you? Again, the threaded portion of the valve does not protrude past the pan threads. I'd attach a picture for you if I could.
Been using Fumoto oil drain valves since the 1990s. Love them. The one I put in my new 2007 F-150 FX4 is still going strong in 2024. Never a drip.
Put one in, never have to mess with a drain plug again.
True...same here. IT's true that it does take longer to drain but with hot oil, it's not as different as it was in this video. I usually crack mine open and then while it's draining, I remove the old oil filter, put the new one on, open the new oil bottles to get them ready, and then remove the fill cap and get my funnel ready. By that time, draining is done so zero time lost overall...just doing all the other stuff while it's draining...time management is key. Also, no time needed to get tools out, cleaned up, or put away since this valve opens tool-free.
Me too love them
Yep. And, while there is a small residual of old oil compared to a traditional drain plug I feel like it’s negligible if you properly agitated the oil anyways. IMO, the benefits far outweigh any potential issues.
@Maximer77 how do you agitate the oil? I'm planning on getting a fumoto for my f150 and my gfs tacoma
@@808Mark you just want to drive it a bit… maybe a quick drive around the block. You don’t need to get it to operating temp or anything… just enough to move the particulates which had settled.
The guy proved the value of the Fumoto by simply watching how difficult the regular rain plug was to remove, lol.
Lmao this^ I'd rather let the oil drain just a tad slower, to avoid that specific hassle lol
Yea I don't even need to watch the whole video at this point.
lemme get that futa valve
Added to sticker ideas list thank you
LOL reading this i immediately thought of another kind of futa ;D
CCF tradition, netgear drops his camera in every netgear video.
Action cam, perfect. I can only imagine how many action cam have been used around the house.
Getting the oil hot really helps. But since I do my changes in the garage the valve does make it a little easier to not make a mess. Having said that, I would usually open the oil and then get the filter swapped. By that time it's mostly already out anyway.
Yeah, but then you miss the excitement of watching the oil drain! :-)
I got one from a junkyard and put it on my baja. I like it, I’m not too concerned about the time to drain and one really nice thing I’ve noticed is it makes it wayyyyy easier to partially drain your oil.
Whether it’s for an additive or just because you overfilled it’s a huge help there. I’m going to start putting my drivers side up on a ramp when I’m changing oil though, I had no idea the oil pan retains so much even on a regular drain. Thanks Net!
They're fantastic. Unlike this dude's bashing of them, none of mine extend into the pan at all. I don't mind waiting 15 minutes for the oil to drain.
We use them on heavy diesel, Cat c12, Cummins ISM/ ISX.. fishing a drain plug out of 10 gallons of hot oil sucks ass, especially when they're brass plugs. Magnet can barely pick up the ferrous ones, they're heavy af. Plus you have to take oil samples, it just makes everything easier.
Just gonna say I hate it on cat equipment throughout all the oil changes the stupid valve ends up going bad and equipment will be out of oil in the yard we ended up just making a special plug and thrown it on
how does the valve go bad do the seals in the ball valve leak or something seems like it would take forever for an oil leak like that to empty a drain pan.@@turtlezilla7371
I can see it being a good idea on heavy diesels. They also use like 5 gallons of oil I believe right? So the bit extra in the pan really is negligible
We switched to a quick disconnect style on all of our c15 and x15 engines. When using a pump to suck it out it really helps eliminate the mess and lifting. If you want to take a sample it’s still pretty easy too, we made an extra coupler with just a hose so you can drain some to flush it then grab your sample.
I had a fumoto valve on my old BRZ. It was admittedly slower than using a normal drain plug, but it doesn't drain as slow as it did in this video, probably because of the fact that it's cold oil. I'd probably run a No-spill kit next time. I used to sell them for the heavy trucks, like cummins and caterpillar powered Kenworths. It's a bit better at draining than the fumoto
I think it's fair to call the extra oil leftover negligible. The problem is there's always going to be oil leftover in the engine's oil passages and pump--probably more than 250ml. Even if you warm the engine up, the oil stuck in those passages will have contaminants. They won't necessarily settle at the bottom unless there are pieces of piston ring in there--modern oil is designed to suspend contaminants, I wouldn't expect there to be a significantly larger concentration on the bottom. I think the main concern is time--if you're patient, there's no harm done using the valve.
I'm starting to think maybe it's not such a bad thing... If by some terrible luck (or incompetent lube tech) you find yourself running the car after the oil has been drained, leaked, etc. without refilling, at least there will still be SOME oil in there, for whatever little that might be worth, better than bone dry.
The amount of oil leftover was always negligible to me as well and while it does take longer I'm usually doing other things while it's draining like a tire rotation or something else.
@@TheEhlek23 He did it cold. Does it take about the same time to drain out when the oil is hot?
Exactly this. Unless you're tearing apart your engine and using brake clean in every crevice... There will always be a negligible amount of oil leftover
I put the Fumoto valve on my Acura TL as it has an aluminum oil pan and I didn't want it to get stripped out again. The dealership stripped it out some years ago and it was 4-500 dollars to get it fixed.
I am able to reach under the car and open the valve without even jacking the car up, and while it is draining I will then jack the car up in a way that hopefully more of the oil gets drained out. I could do an entire oil change without jacking the car up at all if I had to.
It is a good product in its construction and materials, but the extra oil not being drained out and the slow draining are legitimate criticisms. I would only recommend one to someone who is trying to make oil changes easier (live in an apartment complex perhaps) or is trying to ensure that an aluminum pan does not get ruined.
Good video, on a legit topic. Thanks dude.
I have an off road truck with a skid plate below the oil pan. If you don't remove the skid plate, then oil drains onto it and makes a major mess. It's not a major ordeal to remove the skid plate, but it is a pain in the butt to have to do it every time. The fumoto valve with long nipple and a short length of tubing makes draining the oil a million times quicker and easier!
That dealer tightened the drain plug too much. I have a 2003 TL-S and the torque on the drain plug is only 29 pounds because it uses a crush washer. That dealer should have replaced the oil pan at their expense. It is amazing at how many mechanics don't torque these drain plugs, and think they have to be really tight. 29 pounds of torque is nothing. I would expect this at one of those quickie oil change places, but not the dealer. I change my own oil without jacking up the car and without using one of these Fumoto plugs.... no issues. I use a short 4 inch ratchet wrench and a low catch pan.... I break the plug loose with the wrench and no oil drips, then slide the pan underneath and have enough room to get my fingers between the drain pan and the plug and turn out the plug... no mess at all. But i have a wad of paper towels ready when i slide my hand back out since my fingers have lots of oil on them... It drains very fast. Put the plug back. I actually don't torque the plug anymore, because i know what 29 pounds is after all these years..... just snug. Then slide the pan over to the filter and change that (the tires get turned all the way to the left to see the filter)... 20 minutes for the whole job and 10 minutes to clean up...
When I use jackstands to do an oil change, the engine is tilted back so it drains most of that extra oil out anyway. The fumoto valve would make less since for Netgear since he has Quickjacks which keep the engine level with the ground. To each their own I guess
I use my raceramps as well, I'll probably use them more for pil changes now tbh
Those lifting level could counter that by *slightly*, and I mean, slightly blocking up the front side of the jack points so you're doing a lift version of a Carolina Squat.
But... for simplicity and far less dicking around, advantage: Team Jackstands!
I’ve had a fumoto valve on my car for 6 years, no leaks or anything. I change my oil every 3k-4k miles. It’s probably not recommended for every car, but I’ve been happy with it.
yeah, it is a bit slow but, no mess and no over or under tightened drain bolt.
I’ve got a fumoto valve on my Crown Vic and I love it. I think the design of the oil pan has a lot to do with it too. I put 6 qts in and I get 6 qts out every time. Makes oil changes a snap. I’ll be keeping it.
The 6 qts in and 6 qts out doesn't show how much is left.
You'll always get the same amount out as you put in no matter how much always stays behind in the engine and oil pan. If the amount that stayed behind kept increasing with each fill, you'd run out of space for new oil and eventually never be able to change the oil.
I like how you put the F.A.G. bearing box front and center. I'm guessing that wasn't an accident.
Have you not seen F.A.G bearings?
FAG bearings are world renown.
Better than timpkin
I work at FAG, kinda nice. Get bearings made in Germany, Either SKF or FAG
@@crazycoffee I definitely have, working an aerospace
yes best type of video right before bed
This
As far as the slow draining, it’s pretty quick when the oil is hot like you suggested earlier. I was hesitant to put one on my vehicles because I hate adding a point of failure. But after 3yrs on one of mine, it’s pretty awesome and I have 0 issues with it. After doing many oil analysis’s, the difference between before and after installation of the valve regarding your concern about residual oil left over was nothing. Driving conditions cause more of a change in the analysis than that did. If you’ve ever taken your car to a dealer or somewhere else for an oil change, they likely don’t even wait till it’s dripping, so that’s a moot point there.
I love the fumoto valve. You wouldn't have to struggle removing the plug like you did here. Also wouldn't have the mess either. No chance of of stripping the threads/developing a leak. Easy to get test samples. Just attach the vinyl tube to the valve and straight into an empty oil container. No mess! Not sure about this particular oil pan but check that the threads are the same length as the stock drain plug so it doesn't protrudevinto the pan butbis flush with yhe bottom. Also for this pan you should definitely angle the car to get more out.
Even at a tilt some of that oil will stay. If it’s really something someone doesn’t like you can always sacrifice a bit of oil to wash the pan out every few changes if it’s a concern.
I like to throw a few ounces in after it is all drained to rinse out some of the nooks and crannies since i always have extra in a 5-quart jug anyway.
Yeah I thought flushing with the new oil was standard practice. It also means you don't have to wait forever for every last drip to stop. Seems a lot of people in the comments for this video don't do that at all.
@@ashchaya7676never heard of anyone wasting good oil to rinse a tiny bit of extra oil out of the sump.
@@JunkCCCP It's not a waste when you think about what it does. Any really nasty shit that might be in your oil will be right at the bottom. That's what you're leaving behind when you don't flush. I'm fine with spending the extra $3 to do this.
@@ashchaya7676 nah bro its a waste. If there's some solid crap left over either it will stay at the bottom of the pan or the filter will catch it.
Is the pan at the same angle as it would be in the vehicle? I change mine on ramps or jackstands and the angle is probably quite a bit different on the engine at that point than what looks to be perfectly level on that stand so maybe there isn't that much left in the pan in the real world oil change?
Exactly my thoughts, the test was equivalent to changing your oil on a level flat surface.. Also he went through it trying to get that bolt off. I bought the fumoto...
I had a random petcock on a G35 I bought from a insurance auction(pre slideshows), drained pretty quickly when the oil was hot. I think the biggest thing to speed it up is always taking off the oil cap so the air can fill the crank case instead it pulling a vacuum. Hope to see more garage vids in the future!
I suppose if you are using some sort of lift that keeps the pan level, and not getting the oil up to operating temp, then this test is accurate. But when I do my oil changes, I jack the car up slightly higher on one side to force the oil to the side where the valve is. And the oil is hot. Drains quick. Hot oil flows much, much faster than cold, as you know. But it would be a lot more effort to heat the oil up first to the appropriate temp for this type of test.
yeah, i use them they are slower than a drain plugs but not this slow and it is way less messy. and my car is tilted towards drain as most home mechanics would be.
Nice to see your perspective. My only complaint is the slow drain. But I love the neatness and the not having to torque the drain plug or replace a crush washer every time.
i only replace the washer every 4 or 5 changes . it’s just a plug bolt and no need to crush the crush washer - no leaks, no worrying about out over torquing and no fighting with the plug bolt like the op.
@@jonnyz5772Really depends on oil change interval for washer replacement. I've been putting a new one on each time because my civic has a 16K km oil interval and I don't want it to leak in the condo parking garage. The 1$ for an overpriced one from Honda with the filter doesn't even register on the budget.
I've had one on my 2005 Jeep TJ 4.0L for 15 years after installing a skid plate that limited access to reach the drain plug.
Also have one on my 2013 Abarth 500. Never a problem and enjoy having them
I have used a few and love them. Yeah they drain slow but it's alot cleaner....and if you are doing your oil changes every 3-5k then it shouldn't be an issue...and settled crud is coming out at the start. If it's a concern, you can always remove the valve yearly to check. Other benefits are partial drains for samples, and reduced likely hood of damaging the pan or drain bolt.
I have used a Mityvac 7201 since 2016. Works great on trans & diffs fill & extraction. I made custom hoses and ends for my specific needs.
Bicycle pumped oil change FTW! Did this about as long, because I've been a VW TDI cultist since 2006.
Topside only oil+-cartridge filter change in 10 minutes? Yes, PLEASE!
I gotta save up all that time saved for all the other things that go wrong or need fixing!
I have used them in the past. What I liked about it was I could change the oil on my car without jacking it up. I could slide a pan under and reach the valve with no issue. I didn't care how long it took. I opened the valve then did other stuff and came back later.
I have run these Fumoto valves for years and yes, they are very slow draining compared to just removing the plug. I just let it start draining and go back inside the house for a half hour or so. It really does save me from making a mess.
Instead of tilting the pan you should have pulled out the fumoto valve out to actually see how much more oil you could get with the drain plug. I had these valves on approximately 40 pieces of equipment and never had any issues with the oil hot as it should be when you change the oil. You can drain your oil when it is extremely hot without burning yourself like you would with a drain plug.
The left over oil doesn't really matter since most people who keep up with maintenance usually change there oil to early anyway. As for the valve being to slow also a non issue because first thing i do is open the valve then go take off the filter, grab the new filter and prefill it and put it on and by then the car is drained. Close the valve and top her off. Instead of wasting time messing around with the oil drain plug that mysteriously got tighter since the last change. You can spend the time messing around with the oil filter that mysteriously went from 1/2 a turn after gasket touching it to tool tight. Also a plus of the fumoto is it never makes a mess.
I don't buy youtuber merch much, because ew. But the H-Gen x CCF tee is pretty sick so I picked it up, glad to support you guys
Not sure if this even is beneficial but usually when I drain the oil and it has stopped dripping, I pour a bit of fresh oil in from the top and more dark used oil starts to come out of the pan again. After that has drained I then put the plug back, otherwise I'm left with oil in an opened canister that I have no use for anyways.
With the Fumoto, I can change my oil with a phillips and flat head screw driver to open up the plastic shield which is nice. I change my oil early and often so the bit of left over isn't a big issue.
So you need two screwdrivers instead of one socket?
And I only need a 14mm spanner, your point is?
he only needs tools for the shield but the fumoto is way cleaner than oil change with a drain plug.@@CollectorCarFeed
@@CollectorCarFeedso you need to use one socket where with the fumoto valve I don't need any tools? Pull the plastic clip, open the valve, no tools.
Old used oil is thinner so if you change it right after driving it and jacking the front up tilts the pan back a bit you won’t have much left !
It was so slow because the oil was fresh, I have used that valve for a while now and it drains pretty quick because the oil gets thinner over time. I also usually drain it while warm. Doesn't even take 5 minutes. Seeing how much oil was left in after the plug is out really surprised me. That's an engineering issue
I use the “Valvomax”, it’s a stainless ball valve with a screw on cap. Insert connector and opens the ball valve to drain through tube. Has been almost as fast as a drain plug.
The thing I don't care about with the valvomax is that you need that separate insert for it to drain. Extra piece to keep track of, have on hand where and when you want to drain it, bring with you under the car, etc every time you change your oil.
It drains a lot quicker when the engine is warm. I'd say it's a non-issue when the oil is hot. Lot less likely to burn your hand as well because you never get it on you like you often do with the drain plug.
I have it on all of my vehicles, had it in my motorcycle too, no more washers and torque drain bolts
Seen em on generators for my whole career,theyve been around for probably 30-40yrs before that.
Cant say ive really had an issue with one,other than the factory not tightening one enough.
And we use vacuum pumps to drain oil anyways.
I ve used this valve and a different one for years no problems love them
Thanks for going the extra length to set up an experiment but when you change your oil you're supposed to do so with the oil warm so it will be less viscous and therefore less likely to take forever to drain and if you jack the car up on its 2 front mounting points the oil pan is at an angle which negates the leftover oil issue.
I’ve got one of these valves on my car. Never had a problem with it. The oil is draining so slow because it’s room temperature. Hot oil drains so much quicker. I always change my oil hot so that all the crap in the system is suspended and runs out. I have a lift so I also do an under vehicle inspection in grease wherever there is a fitting while it drains. Nice video👍
This is also why i like sucking the oil out because it gets everything and you dont have to jack up the car
but if oil filter is on bottom of car you have to lift it up anyway unless you are lucky enough to have a top filter or real easy front of engine model.
These valves are in a category of needs I never (still don’t) thought I needed.
Would’ve been a better comparison had the oil been heated up to 100+ degrees. Anyone who’d take the extra step of buying this valve at least knows that the motor and oil should be hot at the time of the oil change.
This. I have no complaints with my Fumoto valves. I even have them on 2 race cars. Makes it super simple for taking a sample, or removing oil from an overfill.
I use the Fumoto I change oil in my garage for our three vehicles and sometimes it’s a perfect storm when you rip the drain plug out and the oil hits your catch pan like putting a spoon under a faucet.
Firstly like you said the oil needs to be hot. Secondly if you where changing the oil on a level like on a lift where the car is level then yea there would be quite a lot of oil left. But if you where a DIY and only had the front of the car lifted high enough to get under, then it might just be the same with the drain plug (level surface) vs. Fumoto (one side of the car raised). Opposite of the drain hole.
Fumito valve was a great birthday present for me, got it when I was 40 waited for it to drain and I was 41. 🎉 Double the present.
I blame Puccii if my Olds Shaft fails daddy Netgear lmao
Hot oil drains faster, duh
I have used these Fumatomo drain valves in various engines & I like them!
I just got one because its o-ring seals better than my drain plug w/crush washer 😅
Big advantage of these valves is if you have to get an oil change at a garage, they are not using an impact wrench to strip your drain plug threads. or if you have teenage kids they are not over or under tightening drain plug
i put them on two of my cars it is a bit slow, but I park on a sloped driveway so more will come out and let it drain a while with a warm engine. makes it foolproof for people overtightening or under tightening pan bolt.
they make a bunch of different models the newer ones are a bit faster flow with a bigger hole through the valve you can get short versions to not stick down too much or right angle and you can put a hose on to drain right into a bottle. you can buy different protective latches to keep handle from accidently opening but it already has a built-in notch to hold handle closed.
If you have a fumoto and you take it to a quick lube, they will unscrew it to drain your oil lmao
Love em. I can change the oil in 5 mins in my daily with it. Had it on my Subaru for a lot of years and my metro.
Besides the time to drain. Arent you supposed to jack up the front end of most sedans/coupes to make sure the oil drain correctly? I own an 01 civic and the manual says to jack front end up to make oil pan drain hole be at the bottom of the engine without and angle.
I love mine. If you send oil out for testing it’s a must!
After 60 years of doing oil changes I find the Fumoto valve to be wonderful. I wonder why they don't come as a standard feature on all vehicles. I remember working on a Peugeot in the 1960s that even had a drain valve that was operated by a linkage you pulled from above while standing over the engine.
This is reassuring for our 2 vehicles with fumotos. Plus i do these two vehcles on ramps with front raised. Not too corcerned about residual oil as i do mine often enough. Not sure fumoto valve causes more sidual oil though.
they 100% cause more residual oil. I proved it.
Genuine question for testing purposes, would it be possible to test the valve with the oil hot? it should drain faster if it's hot, and because all you have to do is open the valve instead of remove the plug it *should* in theory be easier and safer to get hot oil out. i'd be curious if it being hot would improve the drain time
Being hot would for sure improve the drain time, but the same would be true for the normal plug. Heat, however, would do nothing for the extra oil the fumoto keeps in the pan
Would probably at PEAK shave 2 1/2 minutes off the valve. The only reason I could see is for not pouring on a subframe rail. I don't think even then it would be worth it. The plug itself needs to stick out more if it were for clearance. It's more of a novelty / lazy convenience.
And I'm talking about the absolute best conditions for the valve
@@crazycoffeeI agree with the novelty, I don't think there's any saving it, but i thought it would be interesting to see just cause
I put a Fumoto on my 2004 Expedition about 12 years ago and liked it for convenience until the valve became very difficult to open and close. I removed it about 4 years ago and installed the original drain bolt. Maybe the newer Fumoto valves are better than my older one. I had never thought about the residual oil remaining in the oil pan.
I have over 281,000 miles on my Expy so I guess no harm done. LOL. thanks for the video.
I have one on my Forester and will put one on my Crosstrek when it gets to 6000 miles. Draining right after driving makes it empty much quicker. The best part of the change is slipping a tube over the nipple, other end of the tube into the used oil jug, flipping the switch, and having everything just go right into the bottle. No dumping of a drain pan, and no fishing out a hot, nasty plug to then clean off. While it drains, I change the filter. Go back under, close the switch, remove the tube, and that's it.
"I need something to test the oil level---" scrambles around garage looking for a device.
~Two cars with oil dip sticks in the background~
😂
Besides all the other problems with that valve, oil pans are dirty places. I feel like that valve would get clogged if there was any debris or sludge in the oil. Cool test Netgear. Thanks bro.
I use the valve on my 4runner but it directing oil and slower drain it makes for less mess. Allows me to not have to remove my skid plate
I put it on my car once. It was an ordeal given the limited space I had to put it on. But I was excited for how easy the next oil change was gonna be.
Next oil change runs around and it’s time to change 7 qts. It took maybe 45 minutes to an hour to drain all the oil out. I gave up and took it off. I’ve got no problem with the drain bolt now.
The Valvomax system is similar, but I love it. No mess, and with a hot engine, I drained completely in 3-4 minutes. It'll drip for a few more minutes than that, but I'm never in a hurry.
Gshock squares are my fav. I have a 5600MS that I've been wearing since 2010 when I went into the Marines.
Love the Fumoto valves. Have them on both of my vehicles. Don’t care how slow it is, I’m usually not in that big of a hurry. I can do other things on the car or more likely I’m doing it on the weekend and I’ll go back in the house for some lunch while I watch a game.
Definitely a niche for some specific oil pan drain designs, but definitely beneficial for drain plugs that pour straight vertically, I have one on my cummins and it makes oil changes a breeze. It's good if you like taking oil samples for testing, but even keeping it, you can always just screw it out like a normal plug, but definitely not necessary for every use case. Love the vid, Netgear and Feed!
Something else to keep in mind is if you're changing your oil in your driveway your car is gonna be up on ramps or on jacks so you got a rear-ward rake going on. If it's on a lift or over a trench though it's going to be EXACTLY like this experiment.
I've got all the sockets and wrenches, but I do enjoy Fumotos on the vehicles in our household that rack up the big mileage. It's just fast and easy and tidier. With hot oil, they pour fairly quickly and in a very preditable stream, no messy sploosh.
Net... hot used oil thats been broken down having done it's job for 6k miles is going to drain much better than brand new room temp oil right out of the bottle lol. Your mythbuster-ing game is wack yo! Lol love your stuff man.
PLAYERONE, pulling the drain plug will still drain faster, and more hot, used oil will still remain in the pan with the fumoto compared to the drain plug
Fantastic test. Used one of these on my STI when I changed oil every 2k (big turbo, e85). Biggest benefit IMO is being able to run a drain hose directly into an empty jug. Don't have one on my current car and probably won't get one again. Just not a big deal.
This honestly makes me feel way better about using an extractor. I was always worried about oil remaining in the pan. After seeing this, I'm pretty sure my extractor is getting just as much if not a more oil out, every change.
Not fair at all. You tipped the pan to drain out the plug oil then left it horizontal for the valve. Yes the valve is slow but the residual is the same.
I use a fumoto on my truck with an aftermarket skid plate. Instead of it spilling all over the inside of the skid plate i can use tubing and direct it all into the oil catch pan with no mess. Love the fumoto valve
Using these with a hose on the end is great because you can drain directly into an empty oil jug. The pan is only needed for when you remove the filter.
How about carefully grinding down the length of the threads so the threads don't protrude so far into the oil pan allowing more oil to drain out? Any reason not to do that?
Yeah you could do that, just seems like a lot of work for a solution to a nearly non-existent problem.
when oil is more warm it goes faster from pan for sure
I appreciate the bearing placement. We used to have that brand stocked at work. I have no idea what they were actually used for, other than to give to mechanics and say "idk why, but this reminded me of you" lmao
I have one on two of my cars -- yes it's slower, but no slower than it takes me to change the oil filter. When you have to change the oil every six weeks, and have a giant skid plate between you and the plug, you need something to make draining easier. I put one on my truck to make draining 15 qts more manageable. It's great for me, but not necessarily for everyone.
Just bought one of these for my jeep. Not worried about the small difference on oil drained since I use synthetics and could go 2 changes without breakdown. The main reason for the comment is, dude, what are you thinking? Using that much leverage on a drain bolt is insane. I estimate you put at least 3-5× the recommended torque on that. You can get proper torque out of a nut driver, and 3 fingers on a 1/4" drive ratchet is plenty. That is why I don't let quick lube places change my oil. Try a torque wrench. 1 finger will get your click at the PROPER torque.
Feeds editing is supreme!
What do you think about oil coolers?
This comparison is like watching someone "test" how well a Winter coat functions during the Summer.
I've used Fumoto valves in my vehicles for years. With and without the tube, they drain identical to the OEM drain plug every time...with one caveat - no socket/wrench required, so I get an oil change accomplished more quickly.
It sure didn't drain the same this time
Ive been using it for awhile. For fumoto, you have to warm up the engine. Its a shit ton better than stripping.... also i use a tube.... drive around the block warm level and done
10 years i. My TL 350k miles and now my pilot at 90k and 55k in my RLX.... i rather do this than strip. Warm it up
how is a drive around the block any different than idling for a minute?
@scottwell5701 well i was exaggerating, just warm it up decently....
Well it's better than the gush of hot oil when you remove the plug. If the oil was hot would you have the same results?
If the oil was hot, both would have drained faster, but the normal drain plug would still be faster
Goddamn it i never knew the oil drain dilemma was real. My old man always taught me to use a high pressure air hose to get most of the residue off but now seeing this, it's way worse than i thought.
Put the first Fumoto valve in my '74 Porsche back in the early 90s and it's still on there today drip free (which is ironic because that engine drips like crazy). Since then I've put them on every vehicle I've owned after the first oil change. Never had a problem. It's super helpful on my lifted F350 since the oil pan is so high, I got the valve with the nipple and just run a 3/8 line into the oil pan and there's zero mess. Also VERY helpful if you overfill or want to take a sample...just open the valve and drain some. They never used to come with that plastic lock but added it a few years ago because people kept thinking that the valve could open on it's own...however, once you use one, you realize that's damn near impossible and the lock is superfluous.
I’ll take that EJ25 oil pan netgear!
I hope you do a video with driving4answers
Id call it negligible! Pour a little new oil in and you can get a lot of that old oil out.
I change my oil warm, so it still drains extremely fast.
My only concern would be it sticking out, so i only put it on vehicles where this isnt a concern. The original fumoto is only a hair long than an oil plug.
I use them and love them.
Good video
I've used the Fumoto valve for years, and love it! You really should warm up your oil first tho.
I'm sure this doesn't apply to your WRX, but some engines are designed to allow oil extraction through the dipstick tube. When this is the case, it's the fastest way to remove the oil, and more oil comes out (the "lip" at the drain bolt doesn't retain oil in the pan). Unfortunately it seems to be restricted to some German cars.
great video! been considering one of these for the wrx. Shocking how much oil is left in there from both - wondering if ramps would make it more or less? But please stop using your hand as a hammer! 2:15 looked painful
Could you simply drill (crossdrill) through the male threads of the fumoto? Then once you screw it in, the last bit of oil would drain through your strategically placed holes?