I had a model 7 CDL in 350 rem mag. Once I glass bedded it, it was a tack driver and a game thumper to 300 yds anyway. It was good looking, relatively light and compact with a 20 inch barrel, felt great in hand and had some recoil but I thought it was less than a 300 mag. Fantastic hunting rifle.
I remember the guy in the middle of the line at the public range unleashing his .350 Magnum. The muzzle blast from it had everyone asking what it was, and no one envying its usage. It was that loud and that deep in "throat", and it made all of the '06, .270, 30-30's sound like anemic popguns.
I've got a Remington mod 673 in 350 rem mag . Found it at Gander Mountain on a gun rack many years ago and snatched it up right away. Always wanted a Rem 600 or 660 in this caliber but never found one in my area. Found out that Remington made thier xp-100r bolt action hunting handgun in 350 Rem mag at the Remington Custom shop by special order only. Procrastinated and decided to go order it only to find out it had been discontinued 1 week earlier. Didn't Procrastinate when I found this rifle and I've been a happy camper since then. Do have to reload to use this rifle so it all worked out.
Hi Ron I bought two model 600s the 6mm and the 350 mag back in the early 70s the 6 for my wife and the 350 for me after hunting one season with the 350 in western Michigan I took over the wife's 6mm and sold the 350 your right they kicked like a mule and were no fun to practice with. My only regret is not keeping them as both are starting to gain in collectors value.
Another anything "35" fan here! (Accept 9mm not a fan) My first "deer" rifle was a BLR 358 Winchester. Dearly wanted a Marlin 35 Rem. Like my cousin had. It Took me almost ten years, but I got one of those and then found a Marauder 35 Rem and bought that too! Waited too long but couple years ago I bought a 358 Norma Magnum! Built a 35 Whelen and another 358 along the way. Fell for the 357 Max about 1987. Great short range deer killer!!
I've got a ruger model 77 mark ll in 350 rem mag. I love it. Where i live in South west Oregen most my shots are 200yds and closer. Its my favorite elk rifle. Also don't think the recoil is any worse than my 30.06
I fully agree! The recoil is more a function of a light rifle and short barrel, because the short barrel has a mighty blast and some people equate noise to recoil. Of course, muzzle rise is more noticeable with a short barrel so that may also have something to do with felt recoil. I have and love both my .350 Classic and my old 6.5 Rem mag. There is little if anything in North America that one or the other won't kill. The key with the 6.5 is to not burn anything faster 4831, which I use with all bullet from 85 grain spitzers to 139 grain partitions. It is MOA to near MOA across the spectrum, velocity being the prime determiner of accuracy. I can push 85-87 grain bullet up to 3800+fps, but at 3400 the groups are sub MOA. Have you ever seen a cayote shot with a 87 grain HP doing 3400+fps. Impressive. As for the .350, I haven't had the time to really develop it but expect MOA or thereabouts. I have shot some of the old Remington 250 grain soft points and didn't think the recoil was any different than my .338 Win Mag, which I think is a pussy cat to shoot. Big heavy bullets moving not too fast work good.
My experience with the model 600s in all calibers.... the problems with the recoil and muzzle blast. Recoil from a 6 lbs. rifle that had a poor stock design.... it did hurt to shoot it. EVEN with a recoil pad! It's short 18.5" barrel is really noisey too. A light rifle with a fearsome muzzle blast, that recoiled wildly and kicked like a mule...... That's what killed it. The model 660 was a step in the right direction, but the best one was the last Remington attempt...the model 673 (as I recall...). 22" barrel, a tad heavier at maybe 7 lbs., with a GREAT design in the stock! IT was a keeper! Unfortunately then in earlier 2000s.... and people wanted flat shooting rifles then, and the ammo wasn't always easy to find. Ruger also made it several times in their model 77. They too are light, and recoil a lot too. But blasting a Grizzly with one at close range... I doubt that you'd ever notice it!
I have a Model 7 custom in a mannlicher stock bedded with a Trijicon scope on it. My absolute favorite woods rifle for deer, bear, hogs, pretty much anything. It is light, handy and puts the smack down on game. Mine is dead accurate out to 300+
Absolutely. And now we have the Hornady Leverevolution powder that can kick the muzzle velocity well over the 2200 fps with a 200 grain bullet making the .35 Rem even more loveable. And if you want to mortgage your home you can get the Buffalo Bore 220 grain loads that have 2200 fps muzzle velocity. For a stumpy little cartridge it can still do the job. I load the Speer 180 grain bullet at 2300 fps and it will easily take any game I hunt.
Stock design plays a big part in how a rifle manages recoil. Wide pad, straight comb, and closer in line to the bore at the butt... That helps tame recoil. When remington did the 673 they stocked it very nicely, and if anyone finds its recoil to be too objectionable they have no business firing any of the magnum rounds including 7mm Mag. The 350 gives a firm shove as opposed to a sharp punch. In the 600 that is a bit different, but it is a rifle that is meant to be shot offhand, not from the bench. I'm like you, I love mine. When it wears a scope, it is an old Weaver K2.5 fixed power, and has printed a half inch group at 100 yards.
The Remington Mohawk, that ugly thing, in .350 RM was a dream rifle for me as a young kid. The old man thought I was nuts, as he often did, explaining a good .35 Whelen would beat that thing if I wanted a 35. caliber. I recall it was also chambered in another failure, the 6.5 Rem magnum. Ruger later chambered its Model 77 in 350 magnum for a few years.
Good discussion as always Ron.I have often wondered about why the 350RemMag fell into obscurity and now that I'm a little more knowledgeable by this video, I think you are right about the rifle platform possibly hurting its foothold. Reminton had a few tough years in the 60's.
I Have Speer Reloading Manuals Going ALL the Back to the Late 1960's, When U Read the Comments Regarding the .350 Rem Mag being Test Fired at 100-yrds, -- the Accuracy of the Round Shocked the Technicians, b/c it ALWAYS Cloverleafed 5 Shots. -- Speer Did NOT Have Technology at the Time to Explain the incredible Accuracy of THIS Round, but of Coarse, we Now Know, b/c the Case is SHORT & FAT is the Reason for it's incredible Accuracy, So Yes, THIS .350 Rem Mag is the "Great, Great Grandfather to Many of Today's Cartridges.
Ruger chambered both the 350 and 6.5 rem mags in the M77s, flat bolt handle, 22 in barrels. I have one of each, made in 1970 with factory installed Lyman sights. Recoil, yes. The 350 suffered a cracked stock before the first box of ammo was done with. It was repaired and since, no game animal ever required more than one round. These 2 wonderful rifles are "keepers".
Thanks for sharing this info, Lynn. I didn't know Ruger chambered those. I was shooting a 30-30 M94 in 1970 and about to switch to a Rem. M788 in 6mm Rem. I bought my first Ruger M77 in 1976, a 270 Win. Heavy rifle, but MOA with select handloads.
it was a great little round.i hunt with 35 rem ,358winchester,35 whelen,358 sta.this just didn,t fill a gap for me.i must admit i allways wanted one in the 700 classic when they made it.
Absolutely Correct, the Rifles were too light and too ugly! Both times they tried to market it! Now The Remington Classic 700 was a outstanding rifle, as is the Ruger MKII’s! My 350RM loves the Sierras 215gr, and BR2015 powder!
Not really, it's a man's rifle not a 6.5 creed. They marketed it 3 time's. The last being the 673 with a 22 inch barrel. An excellent rifle! I have 5 350's and my stainless Ruger MK 11 had the heaviest trigger I've ever fired on a factory rifle. I since swapped in a timney trigger. So much better but not as accurate as my Remingtons.
@@jasonsimone3523 the 673 is still ugly, vent rib, Shark tooth front sight, the the 600 series rifles were not received well by the public, history proves this. But the 350RM Cartridge is a winner, Remington made some custom rifles, the 700 Classic was a outstanding platform! And I love my Ruger! It would have been interesting to see how the 350RM would be perceived if they would have introduced it in a “normal” platform! I owned them in the 600, 700 and now Ruger, for me the Ruger wins hands down in a worthwhile rifle and better twist rate!
That's your opinion. They have a cult following and a lot of guy's love em for a reason. They are light, compact, fast handling and accurate. They offered it in the 700 BDL in 1969. The twist rates are the same on the 600,660,700 and ruger 77. 1:16 twist rate.
@@jasonsimone3523 Rugers are 1-12 twist, Cult following or not, the Shooting public did not like them! Sells were low, and manufacturing numbers were low. But! I understand the following!
Not the older rugers in 350 they were 1:16 twist. It doesn't matter anyway anything heavier than 250gr. Is way to slow in the 350. 225gr. Is ideal. I got wall's full of trophies to prove how effective they are!
My 350 Rem mag was a very nice rifle. At least until I fired it! LOL I think it kicked harder than almost any rifle I have ever shot. I'm almost 70 now and I've shot a lot of rifles over the years. Some really big ones like 375 H&H, 340 Weatherby etc. Actually there's one rifle I tried that may have kicked harder. I think it was called the 458 Lott. However the 350 was a beautiful rifle. Laminated wood stock, vented rib on the barrel, blued to perfection with a shiny bolt. If I remember right it had a really short barrel too. Something like 18 inches? It was also perfectly balanced.
I have the remington 700 350 rem mag with 22" barrel on a Hogue ruberized stock and about 3/4" softer rubber pad built in. But I haven't shot anything with it yet. At the range it was ok but I am not to recoil sensitive . I have high hopes for shorter range hunting with it.
the 350 rem mag was much sought out in alaska inthe 600 and 660 remington carbines. they would fit behind the windshields on the four wheelers ready to use any time
For all of my adult life I’ve had a fascination with the 35s. I bought one of those early 2000 attempts at resurrection in the form of the Model 7 CDL. It’s such a sweet little rifle. I’m my hunting trips since then I’ve always taken something else. I guess it’s time for put-up-or-shut-up and make up a good load for it. Suggestions anyone?
@@bonehead9027 I have some CCI200s and WLRs. Would those be good substitutes? I have IMR4064. I also have Accurate 4064. I don’t have enough experience with either to know if you can use A4064 in lieu of IMR4064. It’s a question I’ve been meaning to ask someone who might know that’s not a powder distributor
I had a model 7 CDL in 350. Once I glass bedded it, it was a spectacular rifle, good for pretty much anything to 300 yds, no problem. But life happens and I no longer have it. Wish I had it back.
Theres one on the used rack at a local place near where i work , a m700 bdl for 850 not terrible but when i was comparing ballistics the 35 whelen was just as good and ammo is more available.
I later found a model 700 with a 24 inch barrel, I believe it was. I was sorely tempted to get it but with the ammo situation and the fact that I have 2 35 whelens, I let it go, but it would have been a nice hunting rifle.
.350 Rem Mag is one hell of a hog cartridge, takes the starch right out of them, just wish someone would make loading brass for it again, it’s a job making my own out of 7 mag brass.
In my model 7 action it feeds flawlessly. 673 guide gun. In 2001 it was advertised as a dangerous game guide gun so it had to load hot and fast to take down charging dangerous animals like lions, rhinos, hippos, elephants, etc. I would probably want a 4 bore for that …. But… that’s what they advertised it as. A short action bolt gun with the most knock down. Power possible in a light packable bolt gun.
Sadly, very few 35 caliber rifles have done well with American consumers. They work wonderfully and the folks that have used them know how well. Get you a 35 caliber and try it out.
My Neanderthal ancestors used shouts and gesticulations to bag countless elk bison mastodons and such, probably a T-Rex too. Savage 99 pretty much the only high performance lever gun.
When i first experienced the 350 Remington Magnum.. I had the pleasure of using a Remington model 700 classic! I say pleasure cause the recoil was no different than a 30-06 Springfield.. yet hit game like the 35 Whelen! The issue with the 350 Remington Magnum is it's a reloader cartridge! Sure Remington loaded for it.. but that was about it! If you wanted something different than what everyone else was using.. then it's a great choice provided you reload. I happen to love all the 35 calibers! My favorite is the 358 Winchester.. but love the 350 Legend for its intended purpose. Especially since I don't reload! The 350 Legend punches above its paper ballistics! The same thing could be said for the 35 Remington and the new 360 Buckhammer. There's something about a 200 grain bullet traveling 2100 fps that works wonderfully! Does that make them better.. of course not.. but they're solid choices for game taken inside 200 yards :)
When I talk about muzzle blast, I'm not talking about noise. I'm talking about the explosive flame and concussive jet like blast of air that is shoving the rifle back into you. These guns were not a hand full due to the equal and opposite force of the bullets inertia, they were blasted back with double or triple that force because the barrel was too short and wasted most of the powder after the bullet had left.
With So Many Muzzle Brakes on the Market & So Many Rifles Coming From the Factory With Threaded Barrels, i ALWAYS Buy a Rifle Threaded For a Muzzle Brake, No Good Reason NOT Too. -- Less Recoil Equals Smaller Groups b/c i'm NOT Flinching.
For some reason .35 caliber cartridge never seem to catch on, the exception being the 350 Legend. The 6.5 mm - 30 cal. shoot flatter with less recoil and the 375-45 calibers have more stopping power for dangerous game.
There is a SMALL niche, from a marketing standpoint, of hunters wanting a super short, super light, very hard-hitting rifle, and they can accept/handle/tolerate the attendant recoil & muzzle blast those requirements bring. As one who "tried" the 600 in .350 RM back in the day, I can tell you that, at 6.5 lbs & 18-1/2", it kicked very hard and was was obnoxiously loud. Worse, out of that rifle, the velocity was nowhere near Remington's published ballistics. The factory loads had deep-seated bullets to fit in the short magazine and the short-throated chamber (read: handloading flexibility limited). I think Remington believed, in the early 60s, they were on an unbroken roll of successful introductions, stretching back to the 722 and Mike Walker's .222, and they thought they would successfully blanket every section of the shooting market. It was also the Space Age, everything was possible, we had fiberglass-barreled shotguns, and Jetson-appearing rifles, and magnumitis! One big miscalculation, though: U.S. shooters were still largely traditionalists in their firearms likes. So, for those reasons the .350 RM foundered. Americans had certainly proved they were open to new cartridges. They just demanded that whole package be properly executed for the "typical" hunter. I fall more into that latter category, in that I owned a M70 Fwt .358, and loved it. The 7-1/2 lbs & 22" bbl made all the difference, and guess what? The extra 3-1/2" bbl length put the.358 nearly into the same ballistics ballpark as the short-throated .350 out of 18-1/2". BTW, another sad example is the 6.5 RM, another mis-served & ahead of its time cartridge. A heck of a cartridge, perhaps not as over-bore as the .264 WM, and would probably "be a contender" if introduced now. But, not in the 1960s, when we didn't need no stinkin' 6.5s...and what's up with deep seating a 6.5 to fit in the short magazine of a 600? Also, 2-round magazine capacities didn't impress, along wth with plastic trigger guards, plastic vent ribs, P-17 enfield bolt handles & no external bolt release. Just saying, this rifle, so intrinsically tied to these cartridges' introductions, hurt their success. Had they been promoted in the M700, their story may well have been different.
Speer reloading manual number nine pushes the 180gr. Bullet to 2900 fps with IMR 4895 in the 350 Remington magnum.The same as the whelen. Speer never made a 35 cal. 200gr. Bullet.
If you buy a Gucci caliber be prepared to pay the price! I'll stick with .22 9mm 5.56 30/30 and 30-06! I do play with a 300 blk but time will tell if it's going to stick or not. If not it will be spair parts for the 5.56 so i don't lose much
Ron. I love and respect you. I own a 600 in .350 Rem Mag. I'm 170 lbs. No, no, no , no. It kicks less than my 7600 Rem in 30-06. Please shoot one and then comment against a 30-06 in any platform.
Interesting to hear, Mark. You are the first M600 350 Rem Mag user who has told me this rifle/ammo combo doesn't have brutal recoil. And I believe you. Why? Because felt recoil and real recoil are different. Actual recoil of the 350 Rem Mag pushing a 220-gr. bullet 2,600 fps from a 7-pound rifle (about what the original M600 weighed with a small scope aboard) would be about 35 foot pounds. Recoil of a 7-pound 30-06 pushing a 180-gr. bullet 2,700 fps would be about 26 f-p. Your pump action 30-06 probably weighs closer to 8.5 pounds if fitted with a small scope, in which case it would recoil 21.6 f-p. But if your M600 recoil feels like less to you, than by golly that's what matters. Happy shooting.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I would have to chalk it up to fit. The 600 just fits me really well. A friend of mine, 6'3", 255lb ex Rugby, ex Military, hates my 7600 30-06 as it also kicked him in the nose. Which you raise a subtle point behind your response - I am probably "scared" of the 30-06 "felt recoil" versus the 600 in which I have a history with my Dad that goes back to about 1965 and that rifle. It probably whallops, but I'm not going to feel it. It's actually a fantastic calibre and platform. Most 35's are for the lands I deer hunt. Humbled and appreciated Ron. You know your stuff.
In '75 I took my first deer with the mod 600 350. Dad said it'd knock me on my butt, (didn't and I wasn't 160 lbs) Just received it from him and look firearm to many years of hunting with it. Novelty of the last? Maybe but it's the memories.
@@anonymousf454 depends on the load and barrel, 100-150 fps. Had both. 350 was a wonderful thumper on game, great for elk, moose, bear. 358 is a little more user friendly but also great on game.
@@anonymousf454 I don't know never had a 350. They say the 225 gr is 2500fps from bb its Worked wonderful on deer and hogs and some really big hogs at that.
Ron, I’m kinda new to all this ballistic/hp rifle talk and find it fascinating! I recently bought a used savage .308 and can’t wait to put it to work! I’ve heard you talk about barrel life and barrels being worn out. Can you tell if a barrel is done just by looking it over or does it need to be tested somehow? Thank you so much for your content!
I had a model 7 CDL in 350 rem mag. Once I glass bedded it, it was a tack driver and a game thumper to 300 yds anyway. It was good looking, relatively light and compact with a 20 inch barrel, felt great in hand and had some recoil but I thought it was less than a 300 mag. Fantastic hunting rifle.
I remember the guy in the middle of the line at the public range unleashing his .350 Magnum. The muzzle blast from it had everyone asking what it was, and no one envying its usage. It was that loud and that deep in "throat", and it made all of the '06, .270, 30-30's sound like anemic popguns.
I've got a Remington mod 673 in 350 rem mag . Found it at Gander Mountain on a gun rack many years ago and snatched it up right away. Always wanted a Rem 600 or 660 in this caliber but never found one in my area. Found out that Remington made thier xp-100r bolt action hunting handgun in 350 Rem mag at the Remington Custom shop by special order only. Procrastinated and decided to go order it only to find out it had been discontinued 1 week earlier. Didn't Procrastinate when I found this rifle and I've been a happy camper since then. Do have to reload to use this rifle so it all worked out.
Hi Ron I bought two model 600s the 6mm and the 350 mag back in the early 70s the 6 for my wife and the 350 for me after hunting one season with the 350 in western Michigan I took over the wife's 6mm and sold the 350 your right they kicked like a mule and were no fun to practice with. My only regret is not keeping them as both are starting to gain in collectors value.
Another anything "35" fan here! (Accept 9mm not a fan)
My first "deer" rifle was a BLR 358 Winchester. Dearly wanted a Marlin 35 Rem. Like my cousin had. It Took me almost ten years, but I got one of those and then found a Marauder 35 Rem and bought that too! Waited too long but couple years ago I bought a 358 Norma Magnum! Built a 35 Whelen and another 358 along the way.
Fell for the 357 Max about 1987. Great short range deer killer!!
I've got a ruger model 77 mark ll in 350 rem mag. I love it. Where i live in South west Oregen most my shots are 200yds and closer. Its my favorite elk rifle. Also don't think the recoil is any worse than my 30.06
I fully agree! The recoil is more a function of a light rifle and short barrel, because the short barrel has a mighty blast and some people equate noise to recoil. Of course, muzzle rise is more noticeable with a short barrel so that may also have something to do with felt recoil. I have and love both my .350 Classic and my old 6.5 Rem mag. There is little if anything in North America that one or the other won't kill. The key with the 6.5 is to not burn anything faster 4831, which I use with all bullet from 85 grain spitzers to 139 grain partitions. It is MOA to near MOA across the spectrum, velocity being the prime determiner of accuracy. I can push 85-87 grain bullet up to 3800+fps, but at 3400 the groups are sub MOA. Have you ever seen a cayote shot with a 87 grain HP doing 3400+fps. Impressive. As for the .350, I haven't had the time to really develop it but expect MOA or thereabouts. I have shot some of the old Remington 250 grain soft points and didn't think the recoil was any different than my .338 Win Mag, which I think is a pussy cat to shoot. Big heavy bullets moving not too fast work good.
Hey Ron! Would be nice if you could do a segment on the .358 Norma Mag and the 358 STA. BOTH AMAZING STUFF IN MY OPINION.
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I love my Norma and would love to see it get a fraction of the attention it deserves
358 Norma is the ultimate Alaska cartridge. Sans ammo availability.
I found a NIB Remington 700 classis for sale 2 years ago. I love that rifle. It's a perfect fit in my 35 cal rifle collection
My experience with the model 600s in all calibers.... the problems with the recoil and muzzle blast.
Recoil from a 6 lbs. rifle that had a poor stock design.... it did hurt to shoot it. EVEN with a recoil pad!
It's short 18.5" barrel is really noisey too.
A light rifle with a fearsome muzzle blast, that recoiled wildly and kicked like a mule......
That's what killed it.
The model 660 was a step in the right direction, but the best one was the last Remington attempt...the model 673 (as I recall...).
22" barrel, a tad heavier at maybe 7 lbs., with a GREAT design in the stock!
IT was a keeper! Unfortunately then in earlier 2000s.... and people wanted flat shooting rifles then, and the ammo wasn't always easy to find.
Ruger also made it several times in their model 77.
They too are light, and recoil a lot too.
But blasting a Grizzly with one at close range...
I doubt that you'd ever notice it!
I have a Model 7 custom in a mannlicher stock bedded with a Trijicon scope on it. My absolute favorite woods rifle for deer, bear, hogs, pretty much anything. It is light, handy and puts the smack down on game. Mine is dead accurate out to 300+
It was popular years ago in Alaska by law enforcement/game managers for trouble bears.
I sold mine to Wild West Guns in Ak. They probably made a small fortune on it.
35 Remington killed elk in the 1960’s, without magnum shoulder pain. It’s not a long shooter but within 150 yards it works. Marlin 336, 20”barrel
Absolutely. And now we have the Hornady Leverevolution powder that can kick the muzzle velocity well over the 2200 fps with a 200 grain bullet making the .35 Rem even more loveable. And if you want to mortgage your home you can get the Buffalo Bore 220 grain loads that have 2200 fps muzzle velocity. For a stumpy little cartridge it can still do the job. I load the Speer 180 grain bullet at 2300 fps and it will easily take any game I hunt.
@@Mark-uq9km just needs to be put in an AR10 platform!
@@dr.froghopper6711 Oooo. That would be awesome. Great idea. I like the .35 Rem in the Remington 7600 pump rifle, too.
I have a model 600 super and thing it's great very accurate but your right recoil is a bit hard.back in 1964 it sold for $144 new
How long is the barrel and what is the capacity
@@chadperry4021 barrel is 18 1/2 5 shot vent rib barrel lamented maple and beach stock
It also has about 500lbs energy over the30/06,
I love my 350 Rem Mag! I don’t think it kicks bad at all. Even without the scope. It has a good pad.
Stock design plays a big part in how a rifle manages recoil. Wide pad, straight comb, and closer in line to the bore at the butt... That helps tame recoil.
When remington did the 673 they stocked it very nicely, and if anyone finds its recoil to be too objectionable they have no business firing any of the magnum rounds including 7mm Mag. The 350 gives a firm shove as opposed to a sharp punch. In the 600 that is a bit different, but it is a rifle that is meant to be shot offhand, not from the bench.
I'm like you, I love mine. When it wears a scope, it is an old Weaver K2.5 fixed power, and has printed a half inch group at 100 yards.
The Remington Mohawk, that ugly thing, in .350 RM was a dream rifle for me as a young kid. The old man thought I was nuts, as he often did, explaining a good .35 Whelen would beat that thing if I wanted a 35. caliber.
I recall it was also chambered in another failure, the 6.5 Rem magnum. Ruger later chambered its Model 77 in 350 magnum for a few years.
Good discussion as always Ron.I have often wondered about why the 350RemMag fell into obscurity and now that I'm a little more knowledgeable by this video, I think you are right about the rifle platform possibly hurting its foothold. Reminton had a few tough years in the 60's.
I Have Speer Reloading Manuals Going ALL the Back to the Late 1960's, When U Read the Comments Regarding the .350 Rem Mag being Test Fired at 100-yrds, -- the Accuracy of the Round Shocked the Technicians, b/c it ALWAYS Cloverleafed 5 Shots. -- Speer Did NOT Have Technology at the Time to Explain the incredible Accuracy of THIS Round, but of Coarse, we Now Know, b/c the Case is SHORT & FAT is the Reason for it's incredible Accuracy, So Yes, THIS .350 Rem Mag is the "Great, Great Grandfather to Many of Today's Cartridges.
Simple answer. The recoil will loosen your teeth, bruise your shoulder and provide you with a flinch that will take years to overcome.
I had one, it wasn't so bad.
I live in the pnw and I've shot lots of elk over 300 or 400 yards
Ruger chambered both the 350 and 6.5 rem mags in the M77s, flat bolt handle, 22 in barrels. I have one of each, made in 1970 with factory installed Lyman sights. Recoil, yes. The 350 suffered a cracked stock before the first box of ammo was done with. It was repaired and since, no game animal ever required more than one round. These 2 wonderful rifles are "keepers".
Thanks for sharing this info, Lynn. I didn't know Ruger chambered those. I was shooting a 30-30 M94 in 1970 and about to switch to a Rem. M788 in 6mm Rem. I bought my first Ruger M77 in 1976, a 270 Win. Heavy rifle, but MOA with select handloads.
it was a great little round.i hunt with 35 rem ,358winchester,35 whelen,358 sta.this just didn,t fill a gap for me.i must admit i allways wanted one in the 700 classic when they made it.
Absolutely Correct, the Rifles were too light and too ugly! Both times they tried to market it! Now The Remington Classic 700 was a outstanding rifle, as is the Ruger MKII’s! My 350RM loves the Sierras 215gr, and BR2015 powder!
Not really, it's a man's rifle not a 6.5 creed. They marketed it 3 time's. The last being the 673 with a 22 inch barrel. An excellent rifle! I have 5 350's and my stainless Ruger MK 11 had the heaviest trigger I've ever fired on a factory rifle. I since swapped in a timney trigger. So much better but not as accurate as my Remingtons.
@@jasonsimone3523 the 673 is still ugly, vent rib, Shark tooth front sight, the the 600 series rifles were not received well by the public, history proves this. But the 350RM Cartridge is a winner, Remington made some custom rifles, the 700 Classic was a outstanding platform! And I love my Ruger! It would have been interesting to see how the 350RM would be perceived if they would have introduced it in a “normal” platform! I owned them in the 600, 700 and now Ruger, for me the Ruger wins hands down in a worthwhile rifle and better twist rate!
That's your opinion. They have a cult following and a lot of guy's love em for a reason. They are light, compact, fast handling and accurate. They offered it in the 700 BDL in 1969. The twist rates are the same on the 600,660,700 and ruger 77. 1:16 twist rate.
@@jasonsimone3523 Rugers are 1-12 twist, Cult following or not, the Shooting public did not like them! Sells were low, and manufacturing numbers were low. But! I understand the following!
Not the older rugers in 350 they were 1:16 twist. It doesn't matter anyway anything heavier than 250gr. Is way to slow in the 350. 225gr. Is ideal. I got wall's full of trophies to prove how effective they are!
My 350 Rem mag was a very nice rifle. At least until I fired it! LOL I think it kicked harder than almost any rifle I have ever shot. I'm almost 70 now and I've shot a lot of rifles over the years. Some really big ones like 375 H&H, 340 Weatherby etc. Actually there's one rifle I tried that may have kicked harder. I think it was called the 458 Lott.
However the 350 was a beautiful rifle. Laminated wood stock, vented rib on the barrel, blued to perfection with a shiny bolt. If I remember right it had a really short barrel too. Something like 18 inches? It was also perfectly balanced.
I have the remington 700 350 rem mag with 22" barrel on a Hogue ruberized stock and about 3/4" softer rubber pad built in. But I haven't shot anything with it yet. At the range it was ok but I am not to recoil sensitive . I have high hopes for shorter range hunting with it.
I'll tell you why the 350 RM never took off. In the Rem 600 weighing in at about 6 lbs. it kicked like a mean mule!
I very recently saw a “new old stock” Remington 700BDL in 350 rem mag for sale.. was sadly sold by the time I decided to go for it
the 350 rem mag was much sought out in alaska inthe 600 and 660 remington carbines. they would fit behind the windshields on the four wheelers ready to use any time
For all of my adult life I’ve had a fascination with the 35s. I bought one of those early 2000 attempts at resurrection in the form of the Model 7 CDL. It’s such a sweet little rifle. I’m my hunting trips since then I’ve always taken something else. I guess it’s time for put-up-or-shut-up and make up a good load for it. Suggestions anyone?
@@bonehead9027 I have some CCI200s and WLRs. Would those be good substitutes? I have IMR4064. I also have Accurate 4064. I don’t have enough experience with either to know if you can use A4064 in lieu of IMR4064. It’s a question I’ve been meaning to ask someone who might know that’s not a powder distributor
I had a model 7 CDL in 350. Once I glass bedded it, it was a spectacular rifle, good for pretty much anything to 300 yds, no problem. But life happens and I no longer have it. Wish I had it back.
Theres one on the used rack at a local place near where i work , a m700 bdl for 850 not terrible but when i was comparing ballistics the 35 whelen was just as good and ammo is more available.
I later found a model 700 with a 24 inch barrel, I believe it was. I was sorely tempted to get it but with the ammo situation and the fact that I have 2 35 whelens, I let it go, but it would have been a nice hunting rifle.
Ammo is still available from Nosler. It is part of their custom line, so it's not always in stock. But they periodically do a run of 350RM.
Good to know, Dr. Thanks!
I have two 350 Rem Mags. One for show and one for go. 😊
350 RM with a 24 inch tube and a long throated chamber would be a great grizz country setup. Put a 1-6 or 1-8 on it with a red dot to 4x.
i had 2 were great for Hogs, "Hendershots" makes custom ammo for a 350 i used them for years
Niche round has its following sure like mine.👍
Man an AR-10 in .350 REM Mag sounds awesome!!! I don’t know if it would feed properly or otherwise function???
.350 Rem Mag is one hell of a hog cartridge, takes the starch right out of them, just wish someone would make loading brass for it again, it’s a job making my own out of 7 mag brass.
The 350 Rem Mag is a h*** of an elk and moose cartridge. I Loaded 250gr. bullets.
In my model 7 action it feeds flawlessly. 673 guide gun. In 2001 it was advertised as a dangerous game guide gun so it had to load hot and fast to take down charging dangerous animals like lions, rhinos, hippos, elephants, etc. I would probably want a 4 bore for that …. But… that’s what they advertised it as. A short action bolt gun with the most knock down. Power possible in a light packable bolt gun.
Sadly, very few 35 caliber rifles have done well with American consumers. They work wonderfully and the folks that have used them know how well. Get you a 35 caliber and try it out.
My Neanderthal ancestors used shouts and gesticulations to bag countless elk bison mastodons and such, probably a T-Rex too. Savage 99 pretty much the only high performance lever gun.
When i first experienced the 350 Remington Magnum.. I had the pleasure of using a Remington model 700 classic!
I say pleasure cause the recoil was no different than a 30-06 Springfield.. yet hit game like the 35 Whelen!
The issue with the 350 Remington Magnum is it's a reloader cartridge! Sure Remington loaded for it.. but that was about it!
If you wanted something different than what everyone else was using.. then it's a great choice provided you reload.
I happen to love all the 35 calibers! My favorite is the 358 Winchester.. but love the 350 Legend for its intended purpose. Especially since I don't reload! The 350 Legend punches above its paper ballistics! The same thing could be said for the 35 Remington and the new 360 Buckhammer. There's something about a 200 grain bullet traveling 2100 fps that works wonderfully!
Does that make them better.. of course not.. but they're solid choices for game taken inside 200 yards :)
When I talk about muzzle blast, I'm not talking about noise. I'm talking about the explosive flame and concussive jet like blast of air that is shoving the rifle back into you. These guns were not a hand full due to the equal and opposite force of the bullets inertia, they were blasted back with double or triple that force because the barrel was too short and wasted most of the powder after the bullet had left.
Had one. The muzzle blast is glorious as is the muzzle flash with blc2 powder.
With So Many Muzzle Brakes on the Market & So Many Rifles Coming From the Factory With Threaded Barrels, i ALWAYS Buy a Rifle Threaded For a Muzzle Brake, No Good Reason NOT Too. -- Less Recoil Equals Smaller Groups b/c i'm NOT Flinching.
For some reason .35 caliber cartridge never seem to catch on, the exception being the 350 Legend. The 6.5 mm - 30 cal. shoot flatter with less recoil and the 375-45 calibers have more stopping power for dangerous game.
There is a SMALL niche, from a marketing standpoint, of hunters wanting a super short, super light, very hard-hitting rifle, and they can accept/handle/tolerate the attendant recoil & muzzle blast those requirements bring.
As one who "tried" the 600 in .350 RM back in the day, I can tell you that, at 6.5 lbs & 18-1/2", it kicked very hard and was was obnoxiously loud. Worse, out of that rifle, the velocity was nowhere near Remington's published ballistics. The factory loads had deep-seated bullets to fit in the short magazine and the short-throated chamber (read: handloading flexibility limited).
I think Remington believed, in the early 60s, they were on an unbroken roll of successful introductions, stretching back to the 722 and Mike Walker's .222, and they thought they would successfully blanket every section of the shooting market. It was also the Space Age, everything was possible, we had fiberglass-barreled shotguns, and Jetson-appearing rifles, and magnumitis! One big miscalculation, though: U.S. shooters were still largely traditionalists in their firearms likes.
So, for those reasons the .350 RM foundered.
Americans had certainly proved they were open to new cartridges. They just demanded that whole package be properly executed for the "typical" hunter. I fall more into that latter category, in that I owned a M70 Fwt .358, and loved it. The 7-1/2 lbs & 22" bbl made all the difference, and guess what? The extra 3-1/2" bbl length put the.358 nearly into the same ballistics ballpark as the short-throated .350 out of 18-1/2".
BTW, another sad example is the 6.5 RM, another mis-served & ahead of its time cartridge. A heck of a cartridge, perhaps not as over-bore as the .264 WM, and would probably "be a contender" if introduced now. But, not in the 1960s, when we didn't need no stinkin' 6.5s...and what's up with deep seating a 6.5 to fit in the short magazine of a 600? Also, 2-round magazine capacities didn't impress, along wth with plastic trigger guards, plastic vent ribs, P-17 enfield bolt handles & no external bolt release. Just saying, this rifle, so intrinsically tied to these cartridges' introductions, hurt their success. Had they been promoted in the M700, their story may well have been different.
Speer reloading manual number nine pushes the 180gr. Bullet to 2900 fps with IMR 4895 in the 350 Remington magnum.The same as the whelen. Speer never made a 35 cal. 200gr. Bullet.
Remington has brought to market and then dropped more than their share of cartridges.
That's for sure. Makes me a bit leery of Remington's offerings.
If you buy a Gucci caliber be prepared to pay the price! I'll stick with .22 9mm 5.56 30/30 and 30-06! I do play with a 300 blk but time will tell if it's going to stick or not. If not it will be spair parts for the 5.56 so i don't lose much
250gr. Slug at 2460 fps.
Rumor control says it was a short/fat round. It had feeding issues. The lesson needed to be relearned 35 years later.
I believe those Mohawks were built on the 1917 Eddystone action with the dogleg bolt handle.
Remington botched up that idea. Just like the 6.5 RM. Sweet cartridge, horrible application.
Ron. I love and respect you. I own a 600 in .350 Rem Mag. I'm 170 lbs. No, no, no , no. It kicks less than my 7600 Rem in 30-06. Please shoot one and then comment against a 30-06 in any platform.
Interesting to hear, Mark. You are the first M600 350 Rem Mag user who has told me this rifle/ammo combo doesn't have brutal recoil. And I believe you. Why? Because felt recoil and real recoil are different. Actual recoil of the 350 Rem Mag pushing a 220-gr. bullet 2,600 fps from a 7-pound rifle (about what the original M600 weighed with a small scope aboard) would be about 35 foot pounds. Recoil of a 7-pound 30-06 pushing a 180-gr. bullet 2,700 fps would be about 26 f-p. Your pump action 30-06 probably weighs closer to 8.5 pounds if fitted with a small scope, in which case it would recoil 21.6 f-p. But if your M600 recoil feels like less to you, than by golly that's what matters. Happy shooting.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I would have to chalk it up to fit. The 600 just fits me really well. A friend of mine, 6'3", 255lb ex Rugby, ex Military, hates my 7600 30-06 as it also kicked him in the nose. Which you raise a subtle point behind your response - I am probably "scared" of the 30-06 "felt recoil" versus the 600 in which I have a history with my Dad that goes back to about 1965 and that rifle. It probably whallops, but I'm not going to feel it. It's actually a fantastic calibre and platform. Most 35's are for the lands I deer hunt. Humbled and appreciated Ron. You know your stuff.
In '75 I took my first deer with the mod 600 350. Dad said it'd knock me on my butt, (didn't and I wasn't 160 lbs) Just received it from him and look firearm to many years of hunting with it. Novelty of the last? Maybe but it's the memories.
I alway wondered if you could convert an AR 10 to this caliber. Think ot would be one hell of a walking stick in the Alaskan bush.
I don't remember who made them but I have seen a ar10 in 358w and 338 federal
@@tbjtbj4786 That would be cool too. I wonder how much faster the rem mag would be over the winnie?
I believe it’s Wilson Combat that makes them in those 2 calibers
@@anonymousf454 depends on the load and barrel, 100-150 fps. Had both. 350 was a wonderful thumper on game, great for elk, moose, bear. 358 is a little more user friendly but also great on game.
@@anonymousf454 I don't know never had a 350.
They say the 225 gr is 2500fps from bb its Worked wonderful on deer and hogs and some really big hogs at that.
Ron, I’m kinda new to all this ballistic/hp rifle talk and find it fascinating! I recently bought a used savage .308 and can’t wait to put it to work! I’ve heard you talk about barrel life and barrels being worn out. Can you tell if a barrel is done just by looking it over or does it need to be tested somehow? Thank you so much for your content!
@@briant7652 thank you 🙏
My brother Shawn 🤣 talking about his 350 mag it is an incredible caliber I have a model 700 in 350 RM Recoil is a bit heavy but it works