I am from Spain and we were never taught any of this... In general our history remains very much controlled by the interests of those in power, and we don't even notice
is this in part a result of the pact of forgetting that was sined after Franco's death and whiped the slate clean so to speek in regards to crimes commuted during the civil war. as to mention the crimes of one side would open up the floor to talking about the crimes of the other ?
Yeah thats kind of the problem spain never had a process of des-fascification, in contrast to other european countries much of the info is still clasify, monuments to franco still exist, etc, the price of a peacefull transition to burguoise democracy i guess
@Bitter Pineapple I hope you don’t take this video and the book he is referencing at face value. His portrayal is a mass distortion and web of skewered lies. The history of Spain in the first half of the 20th century has everything to do with the history of Europe in the first half of the 20th century. If you like, I can recommend things for you. If you’re not interested, that’s fine too. I do hope you look at information presented though with a more critical eye. Even if it’s being presented as “history”.
Someone further down in the comments recommended Murray Bookchin's book (The Spanish Anarchists, the Heroic Years). I'd just like to say that I've read it myself and recommend it also. Bookchin was involved, I believe, in efforts to support anarchist veterans of the civil war/exiles from Spain and met people involved in what happened. He gives a good, detailed account of events. Apparently, The Spanish Cockpit is another good book about the revolution/civil war. It was written by a neutral observer who documented the achievements of the anarchist collectives.
Id love to hear your thoughts on "worker councils" by anton pannekoek, a marxist and council communist. he expands on the ideas of delegates and worker councils that anarchists commonly propose. he also goes in depth to the development how bourgeoisie within different regions such as europe, america, asia, etc. and how they developed differently and uniquely.
Not all priests were supporters of the nationalist their were some who agreed with the republicans. But also the republicans were not exactly innocent they still commited mass atrocities, such as the red terror. As much as i like the way the anarchists in spain organized they by no means were saints.
@@vincentmcnabb939 Catholic terminology is an aspect of western popular culture, even communists and anarchists use them. The issue isn't in the words themselves, it's the way it's used. For example, sin, in a secular sense, refers to just immoral behaviour in general, whereas sin in Catholicism refers to any form of disobedience to the Roman Catholic Church and its Canon law. Of course, oftentimes the things that isn't sinful in the secular sense is sinful in the Catholic sense (ie. missing mass, being an atheist, using birth control, masturbation, divorce, sex before marriage, homosexuality, or reporting cases of child sex abuse by clergy) and vice versa (ie. homophobia, misogyny, anti-Semitism, fascism, or killing of left-wing political dissidents).
@@sciencesociety2919 There is an issue with the words themselves as they become a parody and distortion when they have obviously been derived from the Church. Some, such as Dostoevesky, would even claim that Communism and Socialism are secular heresies emanating form the Catholic Church; I would disagree with him but only to an extent; their use of Catholic words and terms shows a clear influence, for a start. Yes, such terms are now part of popular culture but only because that culture is birthed and cradled by the Church even in its opposition. Sin in the Catholic Church is very seldom a breach of Canon Law which rather relates to the governance of the Church. Sin is disobedience to God, albeit as often defined through the Church through the lens of Scripture and Tradition. Divorce is not a sin but remarriage is. Homosexual inclination is not a sin but homosexual acts are. Homophobia in most occasions is a sin; and certainly not a virtue. Reporting of child abuse is certainly not a sin; breaking the seal of the Confessional is a strict prohibition under Canon Law, though. Anti-semitism is a sin; killing of people solely due to their political allegiances, etc., are all sins to the Church and certainly not virtues. Indeed, any unjust killing is a mortal sin. You destroy a salient point with hyperbole and such scurrilous claims.
Out of curiosity, what do you have to say about the role the Catholic church played in much of Latin America in opposing various US backed far right regimes? I'll be the first to agree that the church has headed many absolutely terrible things, but there's also a long tradition of Catholic leftists that I feel is often overlooked by some people (Not that I think you are here, that's not what this video is about).
JebediahMD as one of these supposed catholic leftists myself, I would say we did some good, but unfortunately many of our leaders supported the various dictatorships. Don’t get me wrong, I think we did a lot of good, but real change was never able to come because of the connections with the state (and the companies that propped them up). If you are less cynical, you could say that, as many of these countries were killing members of the clergy that opposed them, the Church didn’t want to lose more of its members and as such was silent on the atrocities committed.
Definitely. There have been a lot of Christian Leftists in history (like the Liberation Theologians or Christian Feminists of the 1970s) that have been overshadowed by the Religious Right and the horrors they brought.
Although the church certainly wasn’t a good institution, I think it’s important that we remember many anti-theist acts were horrific and unjustified. We must be careful that we, as anarchists, do not fall into the trap of historical revisionism and justification of atrocities. It’s also worth mentioning that, although many took part in them, some anarchists of the time viewed the measures as too extreme and took action to stop them. These are, in my opinion, the ones we should hold in high regard (at least relative to this issue). Should the churches have been burnt? Ehhh, perhaps. Should priests have been killed? Only if it could be proven at trial that they were conspiring to help the Nationalists (it is true that many were), and even then imprisonment is preferable to execution. Should priests have been tortured? NO, and we must not waver on this.
While i agree with you I don't think we could stop revolutionary fervour from becoming extreme and violent,some excess is gonna happen due to human anger sadly but its what happens when a revolution happens
(popular anarchist song during the Spanish revolution, sung over the music of the hymn of the 2nd spanish republic) Si supieran los curas y monjas la paliza que les vamos a dar, saldrían del coro gritando: ¡Libertad! ¡Libertad! ¡Libertad!
The D, The A, The N, The N, The Y The N, The E, The D, The E, The L The K, The O, The C, The O, The M The M, The U The N, The I, The T The Y, The S, The O, The F, The U, The C, The K, The Y, The O and The U and You and You and You
The history of the spanish civil war is very complex and you need a longer video to explain it well. Anyways is really interesting to see the international view of this conflict. Saludos y viva la república.
The guy's a liberal so he describes the FAI as being 'extremist' but other than that kind of thing, from what I've read so far it seems like a good book.
hijos is pronounced "hee-hos" which means children. Interesting learning about Spanish history like this, I've been learning the language for a few years but don't know much about the civil war or any other Spanish history for that matter.
This is an absolutely disgusting distortion and package of lies. I hope any reasonable, critically minded person who may come across this video has the common sense to simply not take this at face value. Propaganda is a powerful tool. A message, a narrative, is drilled into the public’s minds on all fronts. Be it through the book this person is discussing, or a big budget fantasy movie like Pan’s Labyrinth. As magical and creative a film as that is, it is also infused with a heavy element of propaganda. The propaganda is in full effect, non stop from day one. It is reinforced in all aspects of culture, then goes down as “history”. Much of the true nature of history in the first half of the 20th century has been suppressed or inverted. If one is familiar with the term “Useful idiot” these propagandized fools who do their part in mass deception. Any critically minded person might ask, why is a particular narrative being fed and pushed. Use your common sense, look deeper, and the truth will reveal itself.
An all too common mistake made by right wing and liberal commentators on the Spanish Civil War, is to simply claim that both sides committed atrocities and, as such, were as bad as each other. In the case of the anarchists burning churches and killing members of the clergy, these were all isolated incidents, carried out by people on the ground, with no hierarchical chain of command behind them. The victims of these acts were generally people who were well known to those exacting vengeance, and you have to appreciate the appalling repression and inhumane persecution that had been visited on generations of anarchists in the decades running up to this (I'd recommend reading Murray Bookchin's excellent work "The Spanish Anarchists - The Heroic Years 1868 - 1936). The nationalists however committed atrocities on a far greater scale, which were more often than not of an indiscriminate nature and frequently sanctioned from above, sometimes from the highest levels of their power structure (one general ordered his troops to kill 10 locals for every nationalist found to have been killed in any newly conquered territory), and a blind eye was largely turned towards the raping and killing of women and children by Franco's troops, particularly his North African mercenaries, who were notorious for such things. In short, if you found yourself in town when the anarchists rolled in, unless you were known to have been a part of the repression of the local population, it would be unlikely that you and your family would have anything whatsoever to fear. The same could not be said if the nationalists arrived on your doorstep...
From what I've been reading, the difference between nationalist atrocious and atrocities on the republican side is that the nationalist ordered these atrocities while on the Republican side they were committed by more ore less angry mobs that the Republicans actively tried to stop. Like one of the main jobs of the military information service was to like stop people from killing priests.
@@smokyondagrass2353 Oh yes, mob reprisals against the church were quite common and not terribly desirable for the Republicans, on the PR front (sort of thing that gets people spluttering over their cornflakes at the breakfast table), though it should perhaps be pointed out that this was not restricted to the anarchists, and all factions fighting on the side of the republic experienced this problem. In fact it has been suggested that the liberals, who also had a serious grudge against the church, actually carried out more reprisals than their socialist comrades, but this didn't fit in with the narrative being put out by the international press, who preferred to just demonise the anarchists, though I have yet to see any statistics for that, so it might be interesting to look up...
Yes. There is however a major difference in that Bakunin does have valuable political content, you just have to take what's true and disregard what's wrong, namely the antisemitism.
Libertarian Socialist Rants I’m not saying that it’s a part of anarchism either, just that there are some really problematic things that have been said by Anarchist theorists.
Of all the fighting around this period, for some reason the Spanish civil war sticks out for me for sheer brutality. There's something about neighbours behaving so bloodthirsty towards one another I find both unsettling and fascinating.
If you justify the destruction of the church on the basis that it’s a class enemy of the workers, on what basis can you object to authoritarianism as a political strategy? How is the destruction of the church not authoritarian
Because they were actively helping the fascists spread propoganda, murder and torture leftists. If you are dirt poor, worked like a slave, told you are scum by every political institution with money, and then killed by right wing death squads then other poor people have the right to self defense.
Springing off of this, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on Liberation Theology, which was/is a blending of Marxism and Latin American Catholicism.
Hey i don't think this analysis is completly accurate, i don't think many people care much about the jews since there weren't many in spain, i think anticlericalism has been a feature of spanish society since maybe the time of the inquisition, and certainly since the ilustration, there always was a resentment to the church because of their great economical power in the popular classes, and since the liberals entered the political map in the 19th century there's been a division between liberals/republicans/anticlericals with monarchists/conservatives/clericals but as i said big part of the people in the lower and popular classes have always had a resentment towards the church without necesarily support any ideology, you can see that playing out in the killing of the friars in Madrid in 1834 Spanish wikipedia has a great article about spanish anticlericism but sadly is only in spanish and catalan es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticlericalismo_en_España
theres a book by a modern spanish priest (i gonna try to find the title) in spanish, that basically gives the ultime treatment about the subject its goes in detail about the excesses but even as a member of the chucrh he goes to recognize what a horrible institution the spanish church was and that they kinda had it coming
Hey Cameron , two questions if you're not to busy Firstly , who was the anarchist who coined the term " libertarian" ? Secondly, where did you find the quotes of Adolf Hitler's in which he admits to merely appropriating socialism. I've been googling and coming up with very little :/ Love your channel!!!
I really hope you re-make the "Achieving an Anarchist Society" video, like you've been doing with all the others. I want to help lead a revolution, and having a sort of visual version of a communist manifesto would be incredibly persuading to the younger generation who are more prone to watching than reading for a source of entertainment.
Here's a question what do you think of anarchist that are Christians or believe in God .Tolstoy is probably the biggest example of that . Many of the ancient African Christians practiced an autonomous life style and rejected material and imperialism . The catholic church unfortunately came with all of that, even killed those ofnthat cloth that were actually resisting the evil that it espoused , people like Joan of Arch , Kimpa Vita of Congo and Oscar Romero were the greatest examples of that faith but were killed off by those of that faith that practiced imperialism and racism. It's sad. Very interesting video tho
@@ElectricUnicycleCrew You mean the videos where the 303 guy jumps around going "She wants to touch me whoaaaaa she wants to love me whoaaaaa" yeah those are cringeworthy that's why you should hit 'em with the Killing Lyrics!
strictly speaking they should be called nationalists not fascists as the FET de la JONS contained with it the Carlists, the Falage (spanish fascists), Militery Juntas and other nationalist groups Franco was not a Falangist the Falange was lead by Antonio Primo De Revera and well froncos ragime dd have a strong fascist element in the early and mid 40s this fascist element was mostly removed for a more broad branch nationalism in the late 40s and 50s. id suggest reading Stanly G Payn on fascism in Spain for more information.
@IRPH Dinero por nada as i say id highly recomend reading Stanly G Payn , Rodger Griffin and Robert Paxton for a more accurate view of what Fascism is i will say this however that Franco's cabinet only contaned with in it 2 falangist members and that Franco him self did not care for Falangists when they where alive but propogandised and lionised them when they where dead during the civil war see José Antonio Primo de Rivera for this phenomena further more Franco refused to get involved in the second world war witch did much to anger the Falangists many of whom volunteered ether in a military or intelligence capacity for the Axis powers. then again i think there is a distict lack of understanding as to what fascism is and is not and there is a tendency to label nationlist ragims as fascist even if they lack fundamental elements of fascism. though then again the brord brach of fascism differ so widely from country to country that the notion of a generic fascism is something schollers have stuggled with for decades as Italian fascism difers grately from German national Socalism witch differs from Spansh Falangism wich differs from Romanian legionary ideology and so on and so forth
@IRPH Dinero por nada 'for the next decade and more the Franquist state was nominally taken, to be a "fascist regime". It is doubtful, however, that one can speak of a fascist regime unless it is dominated and constructed by generic or categorical fascists, and it was hardly the case with Fanquism. Core falangists, the camisas viejas (lit. "old shirts"),played only a small role in the new state and held only a small minority of positions in the new system.' Stanley G Payn, Fascism:comparison and definition p153 given Payn has spent several decades studying modern Spain and fascism producing a number of book length monographs on both topics which are well respected and highly prised in the Academic profession i would privalige his views over some Spanish ultra-rightists and indeed over Gorge Orwell who well he produced one of the best personal acounts of the civil war was prone as with most left wing volonteers at the time to lablying what he fought against as fascist with out teasing out the nuances between Carlism, Falangism and the various other ideas encompassed with in the FET de la JONS
@@Tommy-5684 That's a non description. Only people who form or desire to form fascist organisations can be classified as fascist. This is circular reasoning.
@@enfercesttout this is the problem with the brand of fascism through its over use since the end of world war 2 it has come to basicly mean whatever the user of the term wants it to mean and consiquently it has lost any meaning other then "bad" people dont or are not realy able to identify fascism as distinct from any other form of authorterian-nationalist rule and consiquently lable it all as fascist. in truth one could argue the only true fascists where the PNF due to the distinct national difrences between fascisms meaning that there are almost as many differences between fascism's as similarities.later in the same chapter Payne alsonotes 'Nonetheless, there was also strong antifascist opinion among various rightist and Catholic sectors of the regime.' he further notes that from 1942 the doctrine of caudillaje was not emphasised . Caudillaje was Fracos equivlent though more restrined form of Ducismo in Italy and Fuhrerprnzip in Germany. both allowing anti-fascist elements in the regime and emphasising the singular strong leader motif that is a core tenet of fascism isn't particularly Fascist all things considered
As someone that's new to anarchist ideas as a whole would it be possible for you to do an explanation on Mutualism. All the information I find seems to be contradictory. I got ancaps saying its a form of socialism and ancomms saying its capitalist. Its fucking confusing.
@@Causticghoul No, wait! It's not an actual ideology, I just made that up. It's supposed to be a joke about how Mutualism's supposed to be a kind of middle ground between AnCom and AnCap, since it's kind of like stateless socialism, but with markets.
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They seem to have contributed to my channel repeatedly
I am from Spain and we were never taught any of this... In general our history remains very much controlled by the interests of those in power, and we don't even notice
is this in part a result of the pact of forgetting that was sined after Franco's death and whiped the slate clean so to speek in regards to crimes commuted during the civil war. as to mention the crimes of one side would open up the floor to talking about the crimes of the other ?
Yeah thats kind of the problem spain never had a process of des-fascification, in contrast to other european countries much of the info is still clasify, monuments to franco still exist, etc, the price of a peacefull transition to burguoise democracy i guess
@Bitter Pineapple I hope you don’t take this video and the book he is referencing at face value.
His portrayal is a mass distortion and web of skewered lies.
The history of Spain in the first half of the 20th century has everything to do with the history of Europe in the first half of the 20th century.
If you like, I can recommend things for you. If you’re not interested, that’s fine too. I do hope you look at information presented though with a more critical eye. Even if it’s being presented as “history”.
2:18 Describing liberal to leftist politics as a mental disorder. Man, where have I heard that ditty before?
I was gonna say RockingMrE...
You mean LoveLifeandAnus?... I mean lovelifeandanarchy?
I was going to say Lenin
It sounds like excuse making for killing non combatants.
Someone further down in the comments recommended Murray Bookchin's book (The Spanish Anarchists, the Heroic Years). I'd just like to say that I've read it myself and recommend it also. Bookchin was involved, I believe, in efforts to support anarchist veterans of the civil war/exiles from Spain and met people involved in what happened. He gives a good, detailed account of events. Apparently, The Spanish Cockpit is another good book about the revolution/civil war. It was written by a neutral observer who documented the achievements of the anarchist collectives.
Id love to hear your thoughts on "worker councils" by anton pannekoek, a marxist and council communist. he expands on the ideas of delegates and worker councils that anarchists commonly propose. he also goes in depth to the development how bourgeoisie within different regions such as europe, america, asia, etc. and how they developed differently and uniquely.
That will be a good book to read, thanks for the recommendation!
+1 on that suggestion
Not all priests were supporters of the nationalist their were some who agreed with the republicans. But also the republicans were not exactly innocent they still commited mass atrocities, such as the red terror. As much as i like the way the anarchists in spain organized they by no means were saints.
Saints, by definition, belong to the Church. Sinners belong to all.
@@vincentmcnabb939 Catholic terminology is an aspect of western popular culture, even communists and anarchists use them. The issue isn't in the words themselves, it's the way it's used. For example, sin, in a secular sense, refers to just immoral behaviour in general, whereas sin in Catholicism refers to any form of disobedience to the Roman Catholic Church and its Canon law. Of course, oftentimes the things that isn't sinful in the secular sense is sinful in the Catholic sense (ie. missing mass, being an atheist, using birth control, masturbation, divorce, sex before marriage, homosexuality, or reporting cases of child sex abuse by clergy) and vice versa (ie. homophobia, misogyny, anti-Semitism, fascism, or killing of left-wing political dissidents).
@@sciencesociety2919 There is an issue with the words themselves as they become a parody and distortion when they have obviously been derived from the Church. Some, such as Dostoevesky, would even claim that Communism and Socialism are secular heresies emanating form the Catholic Church; I would disagree with him but only to an extent; their use of Catholic words and terms shows a clear influence, for a start. Yes, such terms are now part of popular culture but only because that culture is birthed and cradled by the Church even in its opposition.
Sin in the Catholic Church is very seldom a breach of Canon Law which rather relates to the governance of the Church. Sin is disobedience to God, albeit as often defined through the Church through the lens of Scripture and Tradition. Divorce is not a sin but remarriage is. Homosexual inclination is not a sin but homosexual acts are. Homophobia in most occasions is a sin; and certainly not a virtue. Reporting of child abuse is certainly not a sin; breaking the seal of the Confessional is a strict prohibition under Canon Law, though. Anti-semitism is a sin; killing of people solely due to their political allegiances, etc., are all sins to the Church and certainly not virtues. Indeed, any unjust killing is a mortal sin.
You destroy a salient point with hyperbole and such scurrilous claims.
Out of curiosity, what do you have to say about the role the Catholic church played in much of Latin America in opposing various US backed far right regimes? I'll be the first to agree that the church has headed many absolutely terrible things, but there's also a long tradition of Catholic leftists that I feel is often overlooked by some people (Not that I think you are here, that's not what this video is about).
JebediahMD as one of these supposed catholic leftists myself, I would say we did some good, but unfortunately many of our leaders supported the various dictatorships. Don’t get me wrong, I think we did a lot of good, but real change was never able to come because of the connections with the state (and the companies that propped them up). If you are less cynical, you could say that, as many of these countries were killing members of the clergy that opposed them, the Church didn’t want to lose more of its members and as such was silent on the atrocities committed.
Definitely. There have been a lot of Christian Leftists in history (like the Liberation Theologians or Christian Feminists of the 1970s) that have been overshadowed by the Religious Right and the horrors they brought.
Yep. Mondragon can't be overlooked either.
Hi I’m new to this channel. I love your content!!
Going to show this channel to my anarchist grandad, he'll be pleased there's still young people not being taken in by bullshit
Preston is a brilliant scholar. Thank you for this.
Although the church certainly wasn’t a good institution, I think it’s important that we remember many anti-theist acts were horrific and unjustified. We must be careful that we, as anarchists, do not fall into the trap of historical revisionism and justification of atrocities.
It’s also worth mentioning that, although many took part in them, some anarchists of the time viewed the measures as too extreme and took action to stop them. These are, in my opinion, the ones we should hold in high regard (at least relative to this issue).
Should the churches have been burnt? Ehhh, perhaps. Should priests have been killed? Only if it could be proven at trial that they were conspiring to help the Nationalists (it is true that many were), and even then imprisonment is preferable to execution.
Should priests have been tortured? NO, and we must not waver on this.
While i agree with you I don't think we could stop revolutionary fervour from becoming extreme and violent,some excess is gonna happen due to human anger sadly but its what happens when a revolution happens
What does ‘good’ and ‘justice’ mean? Seems you are sawing off the branch on which you sit.
(popular anarchist song during the Spanish revolution,
sung over the music of the hymn of the 2nd spanish republic)
Si supieran los curas y monjas
la paliza que les vamos a dar,
saldrían del coro gritando:
¡Libertad! ¡Libertad! ¡Libertad!
Ah yes. The tolerant left. Good thing Franco and his volunteers from around the earth rid the world of this scum.
_The only church that illuminates is a burning one._
Daaamn.
The D, The A, The N, The N, The Y
The N, The E, The D, The E, The L
The K, The O, The C, The O, The M
The M, The U The N, The I, The T
The Y, The S, The O, The F, The U,
The C, The K, The Y, The O and The U
and You and You and You
@@samhula5394 What do you mean with this ?
Sounds like something Varg Vikernes would say.
The history of the spanish civil war is very complex and you need a longer video to explain it well. Anyways is really interesting to see the international view of this conflict. Saludos y viva la república.
Great video !! It’s great to hear your voice cam!! Loving this content
Interesting video. :) Is the book worth reading?
The guy's a liberal so he describes the FAI as being 'extremist' but other than that kind of thing, from what I've read so far it seems like a good book.
Nearly 7,000 Catholic clergy were murdered, many tortured beforehand. The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.
Viva El Christo Rey!
hijos is pronounced "hee-hos" which means children.
Interesting learning about Spanish history like this, I've been learning the language for a few years but don't know much about the civil war or any other Spanish history for that matter.
Actually means "sons"
@@yipikalle masculine forms are used for plural too
Thanks for this. Any comment on the Death Brigade and Fresquet (eventually stopped by CNT)?
2:38 huh. Where else have I heard that?
This is an absolutely disgusting distortion and package of lies.
I hope any reasonable, critically minded person who may come across this video has the common sense to simply not take this at face value.
Propaganda is a powerful tool.
A message, a narrative, is drilled into the public’s minds on all fronts.
Be it through the book this person is discussing, or a big budget fantasy movie like Pan’s Labyrinth.
As magical and creative a film as that is, it is also infused with a heavy element of propaganda.
The propaganda is in full effect, non stop from day one. It is reinforced in all aspects of culture, then goes down as “history”.
Much of the true nature of history in the first half of the 20th century has been suppressed or inverted.
If one is familiar with the term
“Useful idiot” these propagandized fools who do their part in mass deception.
Any critically minded person might ask, why is a particular narrative being fed and pushed.
Use your common sense, look deeper, and the truth will reveal itself.
Thank you for providing context to this historical event, constantly ignored by those involved in anti-anarchist rhetoric.
America today is really starting to feel like Spain in the 30’s.
An all too common mistake made by right wing and liberal commentators on the Spanish Civil War, is to simply claim that both sides committed atrocities and, as such, were as bad as each other. In the case of the anarchists burning churches and killing members of the clergy, these were all isolated incidents, carried out by people on the ground, with no hierarchical chain of command behind them. The victims of these acts were generally people who were well known to those exacting vengeance, and you have to appreciate the appalling repression and inhumane persecution that had been visited on generations of anarchists in the decades running up to this (I'd recommend reading Murray Bookchin's excellent work "The Spanish Anarchists - The Heroic Years 1868 - 1936).
The nationalists however committed atrocities on a far greater scale, which were more often than not of an indiscriminate nature and frequently sanctioned from above, sometimes from the highest levels of their power structure (one general ordered his troops to kill 10 locals for every nationalist found to have been killed in any newly conquered territory), and a blind eye was largely turned towards the raping and killing of women and children by Franco's troops, particularly his North African mercenaries, who were notorious for such things.
In short, if you found yourself in town when the anarchists rolled in, unless you were known to have been a part of the repression of the local population, it would be unlikely that you and your family would have anything whatsoever to fear. The same could not be said if the nationalists arrived on your doorstep...
From what I've been reading, the difference between nationalist atrocious and atrocities on the republican side is that the nationalist ordered these atrocities while on the Republican side they were committed by more ore less angry mobs that the Republicans actively tried to stop. Like one of the main jobs of the military information service was to like stop people from killing priests.
@@smokyondagrass2353 Oh yes, mob reprisals against the church were quite common and not terribly desirable for the Republicans, on the PR front (sort of thing that gets people spluttering over their cornflakes at the breakfast table), though it should perhaps be pointed out that this was not restricted to the anarchists, and all factions fighting on the side of the republic experienced this problem. In fact it has been suggested that the liberals, who also had a serious grudge against the church, actually carried out more reprisals than their socialist comrades, but this didn't fit in with the narrative being put out by the international press, who preferred to just demonise the anarchists, though I have yet to see any statistics for that, so it might be interesting to look up...
Viva Cristo Rey!!!
Death to the Catholic church
Durruti did nothing wrong
Kill your heroes. Everybody has done something wrong and could improve, even awesome people like Durruti, Goldman, Kropotkin, you, and me.
@@GamerParent I will accept this for everyone but Kropotkin. I love u bread man ;-;
@@tomg3295 even Bread Santa.
@@tomg3295 Manifesto of the sixteen
Also church was literally property owner
Great video
Y’all realize Proudhon and Bakunin were anti-Semitic af right?
Yes. There is however a major difference in that Bakunin does have valuable political content, you just have to take what's true and disregard what's wrong, namely the antisemitism.
Max The Marxist Most intelligent people take the good and dispose of the bad. I don’t think many would deny his antisemitism.
Max The Marxist I don’t even get how that’s relevant to this video though
Libertarian Socialist Rants I suppose. But I’m just saying it’s kinda understandable why he got kicked out of the International.
Libertarian Socialist Rants I’m not saying that it’s a part of anarchism either, just that there are some really problematic things that have been said by Anarchist theorists.
Of all the fighting around this period, for some reason the Spanish civil war sticks out for me for sheer brutality. There's something about neighbours behaving so bloodthirsty towards one another I find both unsettling and fascinating.
La única iglesia que ilumina es la que arde.
The only church that enlightens is the one that's on fire.
Love your content
Anarchist in the spanish civil war where the original black metalists
Those nuns who got thrown off bridges had it comin eh?
Just gonna point out that you and Thought Slime are the reason I'm an anarchist now.
If you justify the destruction of the church on the basis that it’s a class enemy of the workers, on what basis can you object to authoritarianism as a political strategy? How is the destruction of the church not authoritarian
Because they were actively helping the fascists spread propoganda, murder and torture leftists. If you are dirt poor, worked like a slave, told you are scum by every political institution with money, and then killed by right wing death squads then other poor people have the right to self defense.
You should be free to do whatever except fascism xD and pedophilia. And few things like that.
J Hagler I agree, but that doesn’t make it non-authoritarian
You can look at it this way: there's institutional violence and defensive violence, the latter is OK
Tamara Berchuk But what if the “institution” is acting in defense of an oppressed group? This is a nonsense dichotomy
Spot on.
I love you LSR, I hope you are well. Be safe to the extent that it is under your control, and Stay Radical.
Springing off of this, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on Liberation Theology, which was/is a blending of Marxism and Latin American Catholicism.
Hey i don't think this analysis is completly accurate, i don't think many people care much about the jews since there weren't many in spain, i think anticlericalism has been a feature of spanish society since maybe the time of the inquisition, and certainly since the ilustration, there always was a resentment to the church because of their great economical power in the popular classes, and since the liberals entered the political map in the 19th century there's been a division between liberals/republicans/anticlericals with monarchists/conservatives/clericals
but as i said big part of the people in the lower and popular classes have always had a resentment towards the church without necesarily support any ideology, you can see that playing out in the killing of the friars in Madrid in 1834
Spanish wikipedia has a great article about spanish anticlericism but sadly is only in spanish and catalan
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticlericalismo_en_España
>'rejected enlightenment values'
>'their values were summed up in the saying religion, fatherlands, family, order, work, property'
pick one
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we need global subsidiary direct democracy!
AKA, giant superstate, nice job anarchist
Banned religious education
Hey, a new video.
That was quick!
theres a book by a modern spanish priest (i gonna try to find the title) in spanish, that basically gives the ultime treatment about the subject its goes in detail about the excesses but even as a member of the chucrh he goes to recognize what a horrible institution the spanish church was and that they kinda had it coming
Hey Cameron , two questions if you're not to busy
Firstly , who was the anarchist who coined the term " libertarian" ?
Secondly, where did you find the quotes of Adolf Hitler's in which he admits to merely appropriating socialism.
I've been googling and coming up with very little :/
Love your channel!!!
Hitler's admission of appropriating Socialism is in Mein Kampth
I really hope you re-make the "Achieving an Anarchist Society" video, like you've been doing with all the others. I want to help lead a revolution, and having a sort of visual version of a communist manifesto would be incredibly persuading to the younger generation who are more prone to watching than reading for a source of entertainment.
One cannot lead a revolution. Not without authoritarianism, anyway
I did, it's just got a different title - 'the case for revolution'
@@ElectricUnicycleCrew oh shid my bad
Here's a question what do you think of anarchist that are Christians or believe in God .Tolstoy is probably the biggest example of that . Many of the ancient African Christians practiced an autonomous life style and rejected material and imperialism . The catholic church unfortunately came with all of that, even killed those ofnthat cloth that were actually resisting the evil that it espoused , people like Joan of Arch , Kimpa Vita of Congo and Oscar Romero were the greatest examples of that faith but were killed off by those of that faith that practiced imperialism and racism. It's sad. Very interesting video tho
Burning churches is too tame. I like it when churches go KABOOMM!!
Judaism got recognized as a Ethno-Religion, didn't it? EDIT:,, The only Church that illuminates, is a burning One! '' Great Statement.
Hey can you make a good old fashioned killing lyrics video about 3Oh!3 they never got their deserved destruction Cameron style!
Those videos are cringeworthy, lol.
@@ElectricUnicycleCrew You mean the videos where the 303 guy jumps around going "She wants to touch me whoaaaaa she wants to love me whoaaaaa" yeah those are cringeworthy that's why you should hit 'em with the Killing Lyrics!
Lol. I'm sure there's a lot worse than that. Blurred Lines is an example.
@@ElectricUnicycleCrew Oh man that is worse you should totally do that one instead! I am so hyped for this
strictly speaking they should be called nationalists not fascists as the FET de la JONS contained with it the Carlists, the Falage (spanish fascists), Militery Juntas and other nationalist groups Franco was not a Falangist the Falange was lead by Antonio Primo De Revera and well froncos ragime dd have a strong fascist element in the early and mid 40s this fascist element was mostly removed for a more broad branch nationalism in the late 40s and 50s. id suggest reading Stanly G Payn on fascism in Spain for more information.
@IRPH Dinero por nada as i say id highly recomend reading Stanly G Payn , Rodger Griffin and Robert Paxton for a more accurate view of what Fascism is i will say this however that Franco's cabinet only contaned with in it 2 falangist members and that Franco him self did not care for Falangists when they where alive but propogandised and lionised them when they where dead during the civil war see José Antonio Primo de Rivera for this phenomena further more Franco refused to get involved in the second world war witch did much to anger the Falangists many of whom volunteered ether in a military or intelligence capacity for the Axis powers. then again i think there is a distict lack of understanding as to what fascism is and is not and there is a tendency to label nationlist ragims as fascist even if they lack fundamental elements of fascism. though then again the brord brach of fascism differ so widely from country to country that the notion of a generic fascism is something schollers have stuggled with for decades as Italian fascism difers grately from German national Socalism witch differs from Spansh Falangism wich differs from Romanian legionary ideology and so on and so forth
Nobody cates for heart of hearts of franco.
@IRPH Dinero por nada 'for the next decade and more the Franquist state was nominally taken, to be a "fascist regime". It is doubtful, however, that one can speak of a fascist regime unless it is dominated and constructed by generic or categorical fascists, and it was hardly the case with Fanquism. Core falangists, the camisas viejas (lit. "old shirts"),played only a small role in the new state and held only a small minority of positions in the new system.' Stanley G Payn, Fascism:comparison and definition p153 given Payn has spent several decades studying modern Spain and fascism producing a number of book length monographs on both topics which are well respected and highly prised in the Academic profession i would privalige his views over some Spanish ultra-rightists and indeed over Gorge Orwell who well he produced one of the best personal acounts of the civil war was prone as with most left wing volonteers at the time to lablying what he fought against as fascist with out teasing out the nuances between Carlism, Falangism and the various other ideas encompassed with in the FET de la JONS
@@Tommy-5684 That's a non description. Only people who form or desire to form fascist organisations can be classified as fascist. This is circular reasoning.
@@enfercesttout this is the problem with the brand of fascism through its over use since the end of world war 2 it has come to basicly mean whatever the user of the term wants it to mean and consiquently it has lost any meaning other then "bad" people dont or are not realy able to identify fascism as distinct from any other form of authorterian-nationalist rule and consiquently lable it all as fascist. in truth one could argue the only true fascists where the PNF due to the distinct national difrences between fascisms meaning that there are almost as many differences between fascism's as similarities.later in the same chapter Payne alsonotes 'Nonetheless, there was also strong antifascist opinion among various rightist and Catholic sectors of the regime.' he further notes that from 1942 the doctrine of caudillaje was not emphasised . Caudillaje was Fracos equivlent though more restrined form of Ducismo in Italy and Fuhrerprnzip in Germany. both allowing anti-fascist elements in the regime and emphasising the singular strong leader motif that is a core tenet of fascism isn't particularly Fascist all things considered
As someone that's new to anarchist ideas as a whole would it be possible for you to do an explanation on Mutualism. All the information I find seems to be contradictory. I got ancaps saying its a form of socialism and ancomms saying its capitalist. Its fucking confusing.
Some of us like to call it Anarcho-centrism.
@@MrRogerogerio ah I'll check that outm
@@Causticghoul No, wait! It's not an actual ideology, I just made that up. It's supposed to be a joke about how Mutualism's supposed to be a kind of middle ground between AnCom and AnCap, since it's kind of like stateless socialism, but with markets.
Another lovely piece.
indeed history is a repetitious tragicomedy
'The only church that illuminates is a burning church.'
Amazing quote.
Catholicism is Hersery
CHANGE MY MIND
Horsery?
What about Chris Com gang though?
@@monrow1961 Christian Communists (like myself) were historically against Catholicism
@@Comrade_Dolphin Are you sure? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
Irb Main
The bible is still pretty clear about gay people and slavery.
The Church deserved it
Absolute slander and trash.
2:26 poor sheep
"The only church that illiminates is a burning one." - I like that sentence.
As a descendant of the Iberian revolutionaries, I'm thankful for this video,Comrade.Fraternidad,libertad,igualdad!
Lol, now show that to Scotty M ! 😂😂😂
Don't forget to vote guys. Your vote totally matters! /s