For all the people griping about cutting down the trees, this area was scheduled for thinning before they started. Thinning is a normal part of forest management and allows seedlings and/or saplings to grow. It's how these managed forests also earn money, preventing people from going after "wild" forest.
@@pfrstreetgang7511 yeah, these modern druids have no claim to any bronze age or iron age site built by actual druids. It belongs to the native English, Welsh or Scottish.
I'm repeating a comment I made elsewhere, but many bronze age Britons did a lot of deforestation themselves, sometimes with bad consequences. The Druids, of course, are talking about many things but one of their points is directed at '80s "save the rainforests" talk. They're not wrong, but they're also not wholly in the mindset of the ancient people who built this monument.
Boy that for sure I live in an area were there were native mound builders to this day a huge empty water tank is sitting on a prehistoric mound people in the town still have hidden findings the tank once built never held water thousands of dollars of scape metal just sitting there because they don’t want to draw attention to the damage they carelessly have done. Most mounds have been bulldozed down it’s told that one mound was dug in the 30s stripped of the contents sent to of course the Smithsonian basements.
@@laffing1950 The Native American Graves And Reparations Act is supposed to repatriate those items (and bodies) to the tribes of origin or the closest available. Those items include sacred bundles and other sacred items. I believe there has been some foot dragging...
@@elenavaccaro339 - From antique newspapers printed in Port Jervis, New York, USA, a mound, supposedly built by First Americans, was leveled to build a hotel. No word in the article whether burials or artifacts were discovered. In another article, printed at another time, somebody found a grave yard of First Americans with a number of skeletons and artifacts not far from PJ. He would never divulge the location. The guy made periodic visits to the site to dig up bones and artifacts to sell as souvenirs to the port Jervians. The article said that at one time, all the shops and many homes in town were decorated with the bones of the dead Lenapes. >_< I inquired of the Orange County Genealogical Society message board if anybody knew about these things, but nobody did.
You're all seeing the "really bad examples" and ignoring the good. Kept away from nosy assholes on the internet and passed only to trusted sources, there's plenty of native areas that are safe kept and in original condition, as they were left. The very moment some idiot stumbles upon them, there's going to be damage done, because assholes show up out of the woodwork to either "be in touch with their native ancestry" or " just to destroy it", of course, there's an illusion of choice between the two, as just as it happened with Lascaux, human presence destroys artifacts merely by existing near them. The best preservation is done by keeping imbeciles away, imbeciles from both sides.
I like when Tony asks about what Francis would do, if another structure like that appeared, because as far as I know, it did appeared soon after that in nearby area, and was build at the same time.
I’m a lover of Time Team and their appreciation of archaeology and the preservation thereof, also making an educated record from our human ancestors and keeping it alive enough for the next, but I can’t help but also feel some things should be left to time, because we can’t possibly be so attached as they were then.
@jim M - Maybe they are not "pretend" at all, but truly feel connected to Druidism. Maybe they are even possible descendants. However, left to the forces of nature, this "sacred" "ancient power point" will cease to be no more than waterlogged splinters.
It was a time sensitive thing, so by the time the mentally ill people would've farted all over, it would've been gone. We had a tree trunk like that (wood that had been sitting in oxygen free silt, exposed) that was something like 3k ish years old (local natural museum dated it) and since it was just a natural piece of wood, they basically left it be, it evaporated within a year. Gone poof. I was coming back every couple of weeks for work and by the time my work in the area was done it was completely dissolved. But what could you tell people that were never admitted into the loony bin and treated, or in the first place, educated, properly, about such things? Nothing. Might as well try to rope the Moon to keep it from drifting away.
Ok,,,at the very end,,I did cry! Watching this on March 15th 2020 seeing what is happening right now, all hunkered down not wanting to go out side cause of this craziness that has befallen us right now, this is a very important message we should be thinking!
Buy a metal detector and go to your local county courthouse and look at old records and maps. Then go metal detecting, with permissions of course, lol. Kids love it too. We did that, still do it, and we learned more about the local history and culture than anything being taught at schools. I figured the kids can learn a thing or two and they wouldn't drive me nuts staying at home every day. We put together a little day planner with pictures of our finds and places we discovered, with their detailed history, for each of the kids. We found a new hobby and 99.9% of homeowners accommodate requests as long as you're respectful to their property, making sure the holes are filled back up and the grass is not cut completely through all the way around, so it will stay green. Make sure you work out if you get to keep all you find or if the property owners get half.
"If you don't care about the past, you don't care about humanity.". Tell it, Francis. I would also add that if one doesn't care about the past, neither does one care about the present, or the future. Our present makes our past every single moment, & our future will look back on this present as its past. If future generations don't care about their past, they don't care about us & our present.
Nobody came out of this looking very good, except time team. If its aligned on the sun it's probably a calendar, it may have been a celebration site as well but food is one of the most important survival requirements
Who the hell knows what it was for. Any stick you put in the ground is going to be "aligned" with the sun. A bunch of fantasists are projecting their own meaning on the site. A bunch of nonsense
I suspect uppity local businessman, Mervyn Lambert of Norfolk, was mainly upset that English Heritage didn't rent the digging machinery from his company…
I seriously doubt they would have learned enough about how it was made to be able to recreate it if they left it to be washed away, and a lot was learned about the people who made it by the recreation. I also think the recreation tells a lot more about it's probably usage than the original site did.
The place wasn't supposed to be in the water in the first place. The sands claimed it then the waves did a lot of the work for the archeologists in finding the place the reconstruction they made was awesome
"You know that feeling when you go into a dark and empty church and there is no one around" *creepy horror music starts playing* - Oh fear, pretty sure that feeling must be fear
When that Nutter woman comes charging down the beach screaming and crying and gets tackled by the cops, I laughed so hard I thought I was going to piss myself. And when she told that scientist that she wanted to put her tears into the hole I just lost it I could not believe it how funny that was
Your idea made me curious because they haven't employed buoyancy on any other shows and digging around I found out that they worry about the wood being exposed to oxygen would accelerate decomposition.
@michael moslak - In addition, hammered pipes could possibly have skewered through any of the wood that was irregular, like a burl or something, or some object might have been there and been damaged. Too dangerous.
They couldn't bring any heavy equipment. And as the quicksand episode of MythBusters should tell you, to aerate an area that big (and consider MB's area was a tube, so contained) you'd need a huge pump, we're talking bigger than most commercially available pumps on wheels.
Passion on both sides of this. However, in the end, with the certainty of the site being destroyed by the sea, the chance at understanding the methods and possibly the purpose of the site is a much greater cause.
I wonder if the modern Druids would accept the reconstruction. Even Tony was impressed by with feelings that he experienced helping to build the henge.
Something that always concerned me about this event was the moving the wood into 'pools' at the Flag Fen center. Did they use sea water for those pools? Because I imagine moving saturated wood from sea water to fresh water, then you wouldn't you have a problem with the wood literally exploding from the fresh water literally swelling the wood? I still believe the seahenge was a 'cursed' burial. Turning the tree upside down, to push the evil deep underground as the roots reached for the light and sky. I could see there being no entryways to such a burial. That type of inversion burial was seen in North Africa, South America and even Southeast Asia so it wouldn't be a surprise if it also occurred in Britain.
Archeologists know to put wood that is waterlogged with sea water into sea water, not fresh water, and to put wood waterlogged with fresh water into fresh water, not seawater. I strongly suggest you find a library that has old copies of National Geographic and read that magazine's accounts of preserving shipwrecks of ships and boats that went down in both the sea and in freshwater lakes.The basic technique for putting wood that has been soaking in sea water into sea water and wood that has been soaking in fresh water into fresh water has been in use for a very long time. As for "no entryway into the cursed burial" you seem not to have noticed that there *was* an entry into the circle. The forked tree branches provided an entry. There is even film of the archeologists walking into and out of the circle through that opening.
@tjs114 - There is, of course, no such thing as a "cursed burial", no more than that Druid guy's "ancient point of power". However, the 4,000 year old citizens may have thought anything. Without writings or drawings left to us, it is very hard to know. What might have been blindingly obvious to them is now leaving us to ponder. (And they said in the video that the conservationists used fresh water.)
That they were not in their original resting spot, and that the surrounding area was some sort of museum or display. It's not like things change in how they're observed. There's such a thing as walking in the beaten path (for archaeologists) when studying an area. They go about where previous excavations were done and sometimes exact data doesn't exist, leaving the diggers to look for clues in the soil. There's plenty of TT episodes where they note "oh, look, this is where X dug before us, note the natural soil and re refill".
My theory is that seahenge was created as a stage to put on performances: Think bronze age Britain's Got Talent. Hey, it's not much worse than either that druid's or the archeologists's theory on its purpose.
While I understand the necessity for moving the seahenge to save it ny heart hurt when I saw them falling trees, especially the 150-year old, to recreate one. Archeologists seem to have respect only for dead things and chunks of pottery.
Sadly, Miniminuteman's video on this is full of misunderstandings and outright mistakes. If only he'd watched this Time Team episode first...but I did learn from it that they found Holme 2 right after Seahenge was removed. Seeing what has happened to it, in the time it's been exposed, makes me very glad they dug Seahenge.
and someone over there in the comments suggested just building an enclosure around the location like they did with some dinosaur bones in Canada there they live. Yeah sure, lets just dike off the entire area.
I actually laughed out loud when they had removed only a couple of feet worth of dirt and then tried to pull the stump out with the tractor... That's just not going to happen. That tree has weathered 200+ years worth of storms, you're going to have to work a lot harder than that to get it out of the ground.
Calm police officers listening to the concerns of the didgeridoo guy, but calmly letting him know he has to keep it peaceful. Excellent example of police interaction with the public. There are many officers in the USA who practice that way, but a whole bunch of others who could learn from these officers.
Did anyone else see this as the start of a horror story? In ancient times, when magic was still strong in the world, a powerful, rampaging demon was imprisoned in the underworld with physical restraints & magical wards. By removing the circle they break the wards & lifting out the tree trunk opens the door to the demons prison. Then, all hell breaks loose.
As a follower of archeology and history, this episode has always left me torn. I completely understand the logic behind the excavation but yet it still feels wrong
If that woman doesn’t know the difference between excavating a site before a road is expanded or a building being built vs digging up a prehistoric site for no reason other than their curiosity then she shouldn’t be an archaeologist
The re-creation of the artifact back then was a great way for the hippies over reacting at the ocean and others to experience something they otherwise could not.
They're not druids, they're uneducated mentally ill people. There haven't been any druids around for eons. This is the result of the government doing an absolute shit job of education, letting children grow up without essential knowledge, essentially functionally stupid. Grandpa had a saying about their type: "when your glass is half empty, it's easy for others to fill it up with their nonsense". It's gotten even worse these days, with the internet acting like a super-spreader for the mentally ill to infect others too.
In california it's not uncommon to see healthy oaks around 300 years old get turned upside down in storms. I think that happened, then they cut it short and stuck it roots up, and the roots at the time were probably about 20x more massive, like a smaller tree mixed with a snake mating ball..
A wooden Caddo Indian boat, made from a single tree that was burned out, was discovered sticking out of a riverbank when the Red River was down a few years ago north of Shreveport, LA. They put it in water initially then kept removing increments of water and replacing it with wax. After a couple months it was able to be out of the water completely and it's on display at a local history and heritage place. There's old wooden Civil War forts up and down the river too. There were 2 Confederate submarines but they've never been found.
Yes, they did find at least one of the Civil War Confederate submarines. The men died of asphyxiation after setting off a torpedo. Believe it is the Monitor. And there have been many American Indian/Native American wooden artifacts preserved similarly.
I had understood that the Romans had defeated the Druids on the island of Anglesey and those modern people are not real Druids at all. Just a modern version.
Correct. Moreover, even the ancient druids had nothing whatsoever to do with building the henges. The druids may or may not have had some idea of the purpose of the henges. But the first probable appearance of the druidic culture in Britain was roughly as far removed in time from the henge builders as we are from the Battle of Hastings.
That was a spooky atmosphere, as Tony alluded to. Who hasn't seen a great uprooted tree, blown over by a storm, and marveled at the exposed roots? The builders must have decided to make an alter out of it, inverting it and burying it. Was a body then placed on the makeshift table?
Perhaps they should do like the actual druids did and take the leader to slit their belly open and 'read' their entrails as they spill onto the ground. Now none of this is based on my personal beliefs about those things, but, what the ancients beliefs could have been.
I get it now.The ancients believed in the duality of nature, an it was ever present in their mythologies, as it still is today.I agree with both sides. They may have been decommissioning a tree from a sacred grove to be used as a conduit to mirror the underworld. In the underworld a mirror tree would be growing out of the other side. The "penetrating of the tree trunk into the earth is blatantly fertility related. Death, fertilization (can't be a birth without it), rebirth, etc. Midwinter sunset would be Midsummer sunrise in the underworld. These are very important times of the year. Midwinter is when the harshest part is almost over, and midsummer is when crops are maturing and animals finally have a nice healthy weight to them. Baby animals starting to be weaned. Then the wheel starts to turn, time to start thinking about the solstices.Sacrifices were almost certainly carried out on the roots of the central trunk, as humans and animals are born of blood and fluids. Or maybe simple offerings of menstrual blood. Maybe even sacred sex was performed? lol (The place is weird, anything weirder is possible)This cycle continues on to this day. That is what the real Druids really knew.
I must admit my heart ached at removing of tree. Yet I also know time waits for no one and sacred sites are endangered by many causes. It’s a sad fact there is very little middle ground. I can certainly see both sides.
Francis says something about "the soul going into the next world", but that's wild speculation on his part. We have no way to tell if a "soul" or a "next world" played any part at all in the mythology of people that long ago.
@@user-hy7zb2vl3t You're missing the point. It is just a STORY, one which can't be verified in any way. In a profession filled with people who try to figure out ancient societies based on the traces they leave behind, it's unprofessional to invent a religion for them when we really have no way to tell what they thought.
I just found Seahenge in Assassin's creed valhalla. It didnt really look like how time team shows it to have looked but I instantly recognized it and thought of this episode.
Is it greed or so-called management for health of the trees? We, in my area for a road, have lost thousands of acres of habitat with no plans to replace any of these beautiful native growth.
yes, forest management. taking out some of the older trees to make room for new saplings too grow. And don't forget that things like small scales fires are a natural part of forests.
very sensitively done. love the comments at the very end about the pagans and the archeologists being people who at least DO care, and the possibility of coming to some kind of understanding.
why couldnt the tree have been a place to put dead people to rot and get their flesh removed by birds ... before they got a burial in their own place ... kind of like going to a funeral home where they do all the prep and then provide the religious service when all is ready
Lots of cultures have exposed their dead in just that way. Look up the burial trees of the American Plains Indians, the Persian "Towers of Silence", or Herodotus's description of Scythian funerals.
I love protesters(sc). My question is, "why have u let this GREAT MONUMENT RELIGIOUS HOLY-PLACE gone in such ruin? You have failed my son to protect it, you have failed. Where were you before now?" Why do you protest knowledge? Protesters only protest, they NEVER protect!!!
The irony is that the modern Druids rely on iknowledge gained from previous archeology and research. It's too bad the Druids were so oppositional to the project. They could have hauled the stump out of the ground for the replica.
I agree with the woman who said they vandalized it with the chainsaw. There was a highly less intrusive way to do it. As curious as I am to see the whole thing & learn as much as possible, I somehow feel, removing it is ripping it out of it's proper place in the world. If Stonehenge was threatened by a possible natural disaster, would they remove that too? It's a pity they couldn't build a breakwater & an unobtrusive shelter with access for viewing. In a perfect world, it would be preserved & protected from the elements & people in situ and still allow people to see it. Mind you, whatever was built would have to blend with the landscape & be as low-key as possible as it's in a bird sanctuary.
@animerlon - Regarding the chainsaw, re-watch the video. On Cape Cod, when subsiding sand cliffs threatened several historic lighthouses, they were moved more inland. They are living on to guide ships.
They were slated to be cut as part of the forest husbandry process. Don't be sad for the trees cut in 1999, be sad for yourself for having the attention span of a gnat.
Odd how these neo-Druids never bothered with (or likely even knew about) this site, before English Heritage decided to save it from the sea. They could hardly claim it as an important 'active' ceremonial site if they've never used it, much less visited it. Just goes to prove that mental health IS a serious matter, and too many people seem to be missing out on professional help/ therapy. Sad. Clearly, the guy who funded them anonymously at first (cowardly), was just a local who got all pissy about not being 'consulted' (thereby making him feel important)...basically, a male Brit "Karen". I'm a bit curious why EH or TT didn't attempt to ascertain whether this site was even in the water or at the coastline in 2500 BC, as most of the Brit coast was further out then. This site may not have even been in the water then, but further inland.
Throw a net over that guy and haul him off. They want publicity and they want to be arrested. Stuff a (dirty) sock in that chick's mouth. Prince Charles wrote him a letter? OOOOOhh well, doesn't that change everything. A man who can't tie his own shoelaces, zip his own trousers or brush his teeth. When he takes the throne, it will be a pleasure to watch the show. He won't be able to keep his mouth shut. I found it interesting when he was asked if he understood he would not be able to vent his opinions, as King. Political, agricultural, architectural, the mating habits of the varmints at Highgrove, anything.
I know we will never know for certain why this stump was inverted and then enclosed. I can’t help considering that the tree may have done some substantial damage to something or someone of importance when it came down and that it was “imprisoned” afterwards.
The Beaker period in Britain was roughly 2400-1800 BCE, so it is very likely. However, by 2100 BCE ceramic styles had evolved from the classic bell beakers to other types such as collared urns and food vessels.
"The same place" doesn't exist any more. The original wasn't built on a beach, but a lot farther away from the waterfront. Where it was here is land that is being removed by the sea.
It has been announced by Buckingham Palace that to commemorate her 125th year on the throne Her Majesty, the Queen, has given the Prince of Wales a special royal commission to map out all of the henges of Britain: Stonehenge, Woodhenge, Seahenge...Unhinged.
What you see is the remnants of the actual thing. It used to be a "tube" of wood with the roots in the center, at least 3~4 meters tall, with holes cut into it supposedly to allow light to pass through and shine at various intervals according to season and so on.
I think they should have fully documented it, perhaps took a plaster cast of several outer timbers and then left it alone. You would be shocked at the number of sites destroyed because they were excavated and the data is eroding and crumbling away in museum basements. A lot of data still exists on floppy disks.
Can anyone explain why it’s always an important male at these prehistoric sites always never female regardless of carvings and figures and Mother Earth
I'm reminded of something that Mick said, when explaining to Tony (and us) that he likes to make the smallest trenches possible because "digging is destroying," his words, or something to that effect. And he's convinced that future archeologists will be better at it, which is undoubtedly true. So this complete transplant is obviously a complete destruction of the site; I don't see it any other way. I saw the pile of wood in the museum, it's just a pile of wood now. I don't have an answer here of course, but obviously it would've been destroyed by the sea, and failing that, it would've been destroyed by people. So, maybe it's best if it's destroyed by the professionals who would potentially benefit the most people. Maybe it's just a lose-lose situation. As an aside, I feel that Mick's grumbling in the beginning about how he can't even go over to see the site sums up how poorly managed and draconian the transplant went. Poorly played, and unnecessarily provocative to the locals. That's that old Empire mindset rearing it's ugly head once again on the ol' Isle.
Mervyn is trying to use big words isn't he? Shame he can't pronounce all the letters in them. How the hell can a "magistrate" try a case he brings himself, even in England? I feel strongly about my mountains and other special people and places, and I do understand folks being attached to things. It's a shame all around. I really believe that those who set that circle, if they could understand, would want it saved and the story told.
I don’t agree that things need to be “excavated”… there’s nothing there that is going to help our current lives. There’s a big difference between excavating a field of grass to find history and things like this… it’s literally been there for 1000s of years but now all of a sudden it was imminent? We also don’t need bones and objects found in historic graves to be in cases in museums! It’s straight up grave digging!
I’m pretty sure in the day and age there had to be some way to date the wood without taking a chain saw to it. I mean really!!! You were going to rob the site anyway.
They used a chainsaw because the age of the wood meant that normal dendrochronological methods wouldn't work. They needed a much larger piece of wood than usual.
@@philaypeephilippotter6532 On top of the age of the wood that was left after so many years of wave action, most of it was completely waterlogged and extremely soft, so soft that it would crumble with a touch. They *had* to get to the center of it to examine the seasonal rings to date in accurately.
@@S_Evenwar - Maybe people should watch more slowly, like the ones wondering about the type of water used to immerse the wood and the ones shocked that they would cut down trees out of the blue for their recreation. .^_^.
The benefactor who was tryna call health and saftey has a construction co. Bidding for this job and didnt get it. Explains why he suddenly cared about stopping it cuz hes a petty little b**ch and why maize called him out like oh you pull monuments its fine now we do it theres a problem? He said oh i didnt pull 4000 year old timbers. But yea thats cuz theres like none lol. Otherwise hed have tried. Which he did.
Interesting. sad that in order to preserve the wood the site had to be destroyed. It would have been better to let the sea claim it as was what was happening. We will never know why these things were made. Even If we could go back in time to observe we would still not know. Unless we could live as they did with all their beliefs and fears. From this, we learned how they felled the tree, how they moved the tree and how they buried the tree. but why?
Some truth to what you say... but personally after watching this.. I was so glad they did.. all the information they got from preserving it, was so much more important.. But that's my opinion...
We might never know why they did that, but it's certainly not by leaving it to disappear that we will learn more. And those "druids" know very little about who they pretend they descend from.
Siouxzen H - Humans are a curious lot. We may never know "exactly why" (beyond the sun alignment they discovered), but at least we know "how" and admire our ancestors all the more for their accomplishments.
I am between here and there. The modern druids are bs, but modern archeology considers archeology from 1940s brutal and rather inadequate. So why dig it then for TV? The tides and erosion, they weren't born yesterday. It's the same lust for discovery that made early "archeologist" tamper the evidence and destroy good archeology. But it was a good episode to see, that 50 years from filming, both parties got it probably wrong.
If they were in America they'd build a subdivision on the site and the property owners have rights. I can never understand the Bureaucrats that feel the need to destroy something to understand it, then haul what is left to install it in a museum. I reckon that's why most of Egypt is in the German, French, and British museums. Trees survived there four thousand years but when some sort of profiteering could be made off it goes as if it wouldn't survive another day.
The Druids went about it the wrong way and used their beliefs, which aren’t seen in current society as “rational”, as the argument instead of just what is the actual reward vs destroying the site?
Aw, Maizie, you disappoint me. Any archeologist touching a body or religious site should always feel conflicted. Don’t get me wrong, science was my first love and I wanted to be an archeologist from the time I was a kid. But you have to keep in mind the more profound ramifications. Collecting things and having the knowledge is wonderful, but it’s not the whole picture. I was shocked that she cited that people could use religious beliefs to support going forward. She spoke as though it doesn’t already exist. An educated person - especially one in her field- should know that in other countries like Iceland, construction (maybe archaeology?) can be stopped or modified according to whether the beliefs suggest it’s a sacred site. I respect that, these things have to take be taken into consideration. Francis was more diplomatic, but it just goes to show that scientists everywhere are really confined by their attitudes and beliefs, and that’s not the agenda of science. This is the only TT ever that I’ve had to bail out on, because it made me sad.
Religion doesn't exist. It's nothing more than the conjurings of deluded simpletons. In science there's no place for lunacy and dementia. We either do science or we do not.
For all the people griping about cutting down the trees, this area was scheduled for thinning before they started. Thinning is a normal part of forest management and allows seedlings and/or saplings to grow. It's how these managed forests also earn money, preventing people from going after "wild" forest.
Interesting how a person can attach their victimhood to a tree.
@@pfrstreetgang7511 yeah, these modern druids have no claim to any bronze age or iron age site built by actual druids. It belongs to the native English, Welsh or Scottish.
I'm repeating a comment I made elsewhere, but many bronze age Britons did a lot of deforestation themselves, sometimes with bad consequences. The Druids, of course, are talking about many things but one of their points is directed at '80s "save the rainforests" talk. They're not wrong, but they're also not wholly in the mindset of the ancient people who built this monument.
Haven't seen anyone griping about the trees.
Psuedo Druid hippies with a snobby well off sugar daddy. A pox be on their house or hut.
The woman using the U.S. as an example for archeological preservation really should do her homework.
Boy that for sure I live in an area were there were native mound builders to this day a huge empty water tank is sitting on a prehistoric mound people in the town still have hidden findings the tank once built never held water thousands of dollars of scape metal just sitting there because they don’t want to draw attention to the damage they carelessly have done. Most mounds have been bulldozed down it’s told that one mound was dug in the 30s stripped of the contents sent to of course the Smithsonian basements.
@@laffing1950
The Native American Graves And Reparations Act is supposed to repatriate those items (and bodies) to the tribes of origin or the closest available.
Those items include sacred bundles and other sacred items.
I believe there has been some foot dragging...
@@elenavaccaro339 - From antique newspapers printed in Port Jervis, New York, USA, a mound, supposedly built by First Americans, was leveled to build a hotel. No word in the article whether burials or artifacts were discovered. In another article, printed at another time, somebody found a grave yard of First Americans with a number of skeletons and artifacts not far from PJ. He would never divulge the location. The guy made periodic visits to the site to dig up bones and artifacts to sell as souvenirs to the port Jervians. The article said that at one time, all the shops and many homes in town were decorated with the bones of the dead Lenapes. >_< I inquired of the Orange County Genealogical Society message board if anybody knew about these things, but nobody did.
@@MossyMozart people were coming across the ice age shelf from Europe long before the mongols crossed the Bering Strait
You're all seeing the "really bad examples" and ignoring the good. Kept away from nosy assholes on the internet and passed only to trusted sources, there's plenty of native areas that are safe kept and in original condition, as they were left. The very moment some idiot stumbles upon them, there's going to be damage done, because assholes show up out of the woodwork to either "be in touch with their native ancestry" or " just to destroy it", of course, there's an illusion of choice between the two, as just as it happened with Lascaux, human presence destroys artifacts merely by existing near them.
The best preservation is done by keeping imbeciles away, imbeciles from both sides.
The most wonderful episode of Time Team ever. Bar none!
I like when Tony asks about what Francis would do, if another structure like that appeared, because as far as I know, it did appeared soon after that in nearby area, and was build at the same time.
I’m a lover of Time Team and their appreciation of archaeology and the preservation thereof, also making an educated record from our human ancestors and keeping it alive enough for the next, but I can’t help but also feel some things should be left to time, because we can’t possibly be so attached as they were then.
Having pretend Druids sitting and climbing all over seahenge would eventually destroy it!!
Yet another reason to move it!
@jim M - Maybe they are not "pretend" at all, but truly feel connected to Druidism. Maybe they are even possible descendants. However, left to the forces of nature, this "sacred" "ancient power point" will cease to be no more than waterlogged splinters.
It was a time sensitive thing, so by the time the mentally ill people would've farted all over, it would've been gone. We had a tree trunk like that (wood that had been sitting in oxygen free silt, exposed) that was something like 3k ish years old (local natural museum dated it) and since it was just a natural piece of wood, they basically left it be, it evaporated within a year. Gone poof. I was coming back every couple of weeks for work and by the time my work in the area was done it was completely dissolved. But what could you tell people that were never admitted into the loony bin and treated, or in the first place, educated, properly, about such things? Nothing. Might as well try to rope the Moon to keep it from drifting away.
@@asertawould they share a room with the pope or get their own?
Ok,,,at the very end,,I did cry!
Watching this on March 15th 2020 seeing what is happening right now, all hunkered down not wanting to go out side cause of this craziness that has befallen us right now, this is a very important message we should be thinking!
Buy a metal detector and go to your local county courthouse and look at old records and maps. Then go metal detecting, with permissions of course, lol.
Kids love it too. We did that, still do it, and we learned more about the local history and culture than anything being taught at schools. I figured the kids can learn a thing or two and they wouldn't drive me nuts staying at home every day.
We put together a little day planner with pictures of our finds and places we discovered, with their detailed history, for each of the kids.
We found a new hobby and 99.9% of homeowners accommodate requests as long as you're respectful to their property, making sure the holes are filled back up and the grass is not cut completely through all the way around, so it will stay green. Make sure you work out if you get to keep all you find or if the property owners get half.
Thinking about what?
What craziness?
Loved seeing the hippy tackled into the muck.
Excellent episode. Full of symbolism. Francis has a real affinity for the meanings and importance of such sites. As Above , So Below.
It's all ritual, man, all ritual!!!!!
"If you don't care about the past, you don't care about humanity.". Tell it, Francis. I would also add that if one doesn't care about the past, neither does one care about the present, or the future. Our present makes our past every single moment, & our future will look back on this present as its past. If future generations don't care about their past, they don't care about us & our present.
This is one of my favorite time teams very reverent and protecting the past
Nobody came out of this looking very good, except time team. If its aligned on the sun it's probably a calendar, it may have been a celebration site as well but food is one of the most important survival requirements
Who the hell knows what it was for. Any stick you put in the ground is going to be "aligned" with the sun. A bunch of fantasists are projecting their own meaning on the site. A bunch of nonsense
Epic television. Selfproclaimed druids being arrested is something I have never seen before in mij life!
I suspect uppity local businessman, Mervyn Lambert of Norfolk, was mainly upset that English Heritage didn't rent the digging machinery from his company…
Thank you for sharing this experience with us.
I seriously doubt they would have learned enough about how it was made to be able to recreate it if they left it to be washed away, and a lot was learned about the people who made it by the recreation. I also think the recreation tells a lot more about it's probably usage than the original site did.
The place wasn't supposed to be in the water in the first place. The sands claimed it then the waves did a lot of the work for the archeologists in finding the place the reconstruction they made was awesome
Beautiful work. Thank you!
"You know that feeling when you go into a dark and empty church and there is no one around" *creepy horror music starts playing*
- Oh fear, pretty sure that feeling must be fear
😊😊
When that Nutter woman comes charging down the beach screaming and crying and gets tackled by the cops, I laughed so hard I thought I was going to piss myself. And when she told that scientist that she wanted to put her tears into the hole I just lost it I could not believe it how funny that was
They could have hammered pipes down around it and forced air under it to help alleviate the suction.
and turn the whole beach into quicksand everyone wins en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Newtonian_fluid
Your idea made me curious because they haven't employed buoyancy on any other shows and digging around I found out that they worry about the wood being exposed to oxygen would accelerate decomposition.
@michael moslak - In addition, hammered pipes could possibly have skewered through any of the wood that was irregular, like a burl or something, or some object might have been there and been damaged. Too dangerous.
They couldn't bring any heavy equipment. And as the quicksand episode of MythBusters should tell you, to aerate an area that big (and consider MB's area was a tube, so contained) you'd need a huge pump, we're talking bigger than most commercially available pumps on wheels.
It's a protected area. Nothing invasive was allowed. A lot of restrictions were put in place even the amount of people on the shore
Passion on both sides of this. However, in the end, with the certainty of the site being destroyed by the sea, the chance at understanding the methods and possibly the purpose of the site is a much greater cause.
The legend of the baobap tree from Africa :)
One of my favorites 😊
This was all mega interesting to watch
I wonder if the modern Druids would accept the reconstruction. Even Tony was impressed by with feelings that he experienced helping to build the henge.
Tony’s concluding remarks were interestingly enigmatic.
Something that always concerned me about this event was the moving the wood into 'pools' at the Flag Fen center. Did they use sea water for those pools? Because I imagine moving saturated wood from sea water to fresh water, then you wouldn't you have a problem with the wood literally exploding from the fresh water literally swelling the wood?
I still believe the seahenge was a 'cursed' burial. Turning the tree upside down, to push the evil deep underground as the roots reached for the light and sky. I could see there being no entryways to such a burial.
That type of inversion burial was seen in North Africa, South America and even Southeast Asia so it wouldn't be a surprise if it also occurred in Britain.
Archeologists know to put wood that is waterlogged with sea water into sea water, not fresh water, and to put wood waterlogged with fresh water into fresh water, not seawater. I strongly suggest you find a library that has old copies of National Geographic and read that magazine's accounts of preserving shipwrecks of ships and boats that went down in both the sea and in freshwater lakes.The basic technique for putting wood that has been soaking in sea water into sea water and wood that has been soaking in fresh water into fresh water has been in use for a very long time.
As for "no entryway into the cursed burial" you seem not to have noticed that there *was* an entry into the circle. The forked tree branches provided an entry. There is even film of the archeologists walking into and out of the circle through that opening.
@tjs114 - There is, of course, no such thing as a "cursed burial", no more than that Druid guy's "ancient point of power". However, the 4,000 year old citizens may have thought anything. Without writings or drawings left to us, it is very hard to know. What might have been blindingly obvious to them is now leaving us to ponder.
(And they said in the video that the conservationists used fresh water.)
Maisie is probably the foremost ancient wood specialists in the uk and one of the top experts in the world-what do you bet she knows how to handle it?
Most intense episode I’ve seen.
I get major January 6th Shaman vibes from the druid guy, woof
Like the druid guy the shaman guy was peaceful. Then one cowardly cop decided to shoot an unarmed woman. Then several cops committed suicide in shame.
So they proved people were weird 4000 years ago. But what will future archaeologists conclude when they find the reconstruction?
That they were not in their original resting spot, and that the surrounding area was some sort of museum or display. It's not like things change in how they're observed. There's such a thing as walking in the beaten path (for archaeologists) when studying an area. They go about where previous excavations were done and sometimes exact data doesn't exist, leaving the diggers to look for clues in the soil. There's plenty of TT episodes where they note "oh, look, this is where X dug before us, note the natural soil and re refill".
My theory is that seahenge was created as a stage to put on performances: Think bronze age Britain's Got Talent.
Hey, it's not much worse than either that druid's or the archeologists's theory on its purpose.
While I understand the necessity for moving the seahenge to save it ny heart hurt when I saw them falling trees, especially the 150-year old, to recreate one. Archeologists seem to have respect only for dead things and chunks of pottery.
Will have to agree
My heart did go out to the woman who wanted one of her tears put in the hole
So did mine... she clearly needs psychological help because she is nuts
Sadly, Miniminuteman's video on this is full of misunderstandings and outright mistakes. If only he'd watched this Time Team episode first...but I did learn from it that they found Holme 2 right after Seahenge was removed. Seeing what has happened to it, in the time it's been exposed, makes me very glad they dug Seahenge.
and someone over there in the comments suggested just building an enclosure around the location like they did with some dinosaur bones in Canada there they live.
Yeah sure, lets just dike off the entire area.
I actually laughed out loud when they had removed only a couple of feet worth of dirt and then tried to pull the stump out with the tractor... That's just not going to happen.
That tree has weathered 200+ years worth of storms, you're going to have to work a lot harder than that to get it out of the ground.
Actually, it was in that sand for 4000 years - so a LOT of storms!
Calm police officers listening to the concerns of the didgeridoo guy, but calmly letting him know he has to keep it peaceful. Excellent example of police interaction with the public. There are many officers in the USA who practice that way, but a whole bunch of others who could learn from these officers.
Didgeridoo...Rich!
Now he's probably protesting for pronouns.
Did anyone else see this as the start of a horror story? In ancient times, when magic was still strong in the world, a powerful, rampaging demon was imprisoned in the underworld with physical restraints & magical wards. By removing the circle they break the wards & lifting out the tree trunk opens the door to the demons prison. Then, all hell breaks loose.
Bollocks
@@Philrc I'm guessing you didn't. 😀
@@animerlon :) good guess :)
@@Philrc 😁
As a follower of archeology and history, this episode has always left me torn. I completely understand the logic behind the excavation but yet it still feels wrong
I wonder...did any of the Druids ever visit the "new" henge?
They don't need to be arrested. They need to be committed.
If that woman doesn’t know the difference between excavating a site before a road is expanded or a building being built vs digging up a prehistoric site for no reason other than their curiosity then she shouldn’t be an archaeologist
The re-creation of the artifact back then was a great way for the hippies over reacting at the ocean and others to experience something they otherwise could not.
As a historian & a naturalist,I’m against the druids for what they did in the past & what they did to the production.
They're not druids, they're uneducated mentally ill people. There haven't been any druids around for eons. This is the result of the government doing an absolute shit job of education, letting children grow up without essential knowledge, essentially functionally stupid. Grandpa had a saying about their type: "when your glass is half empty, it's easy for others to fill it up with their nonsense". It's gotten even worse these days, with the internet acting like a super-spreader for the mentally ill to infect others too.
In california it's not uncommon to see healthy oaks around 300 years old get turned upside down in storms. I think that happened, then they cut it short and stuck it roots up, and the roots at the time were probably about 20x more massive, like a smaller tree mixed with a snake mating ball..
Stop thinking; you’re terrible at it.
@@Invictus13666pot calling the kettle 😅
@@jrmckim except not. Or didn’t you watch? Or do you not read?
52:21 They probably should be wearing hard hats when felling trees.
I wonder if the reconstruction is still there.
Jeff White
I want to go see it!
A wooden Caddo Indian boat, made from a single tree that was burned out, was discovered sticking out of a riverbank when the Red River was down a few years ago north of Shreveport, LA. They put it in water initially then kept removing increments of water and replacing it with wax. After a couple months it was able to be out of the water completely and it's on display at a local history and heritage place. There's old wooden Civil War forts up and down the river too. There were 2 Confederate submarines but they've never been found.
You mean an American boat.
European explorers found ZERO Indian when they happened upon The Americas.
Yes, they did find at least one of the Civil War Confederate submarines. The men died of asphyxiation after setting off a torpedo. Believe it is the Monitor.
And there have been many American Indian/Native American wooden artifacts preserved similarly.
@@elenavaccaro339 the monitor was an iron ship. The Hunley was a Confederate submarine. Yes, it's in a museum.
This nut bar so called Druid should have been arrested when he started tossing sand bags around. Straight off for an e-val...a nice long rest...
Why? Who made you the arbiter and authority?
@@Invictus13666 I just did. Got a problem? Not my problem.
J?K, I don't even remember this vid or conversation. Peace.
I had understood that the Romans had defeated the Druids on the island of Anglesey and those modern people are not real Druids at all. Just a modern version.
*granskare*
Guess what? You're *_right!_*
Correct. Moreover, even the ancient druids had nothing whatsoever to do with building the henges. The druids may or may not have had some idea of the purpose of the henges. But the first probable appearance of the druidic culture in Britain was roughly as far removed in time from the henge builders as we are from the Battle of Hastings.
Looks like a novel by Elly Griffiths…
Missing the man from Norway …
Translated that one into Swedish. Very enjoyable work. Go Cathbad!
@@carlawiberg6282 så pass 🤩
That was a spooky atmosphere, as Tony alluded to. Who hasn't seen a great uprooted tree, blown over by a storm, and marveled at the exposed roots? The builders must have decided to make an alter out of it, inverting it and burying it. Was a body then placed on the makeshift table?
@Peter Houde - They were just as creative as we are, except for no cranes or backhoes.
Perhaps they should do like the actual druids did and take the leader to slit their belly open and 'read' their entrails as they spill onto the ground. Now none of this is based on my personal beliefs about those things, but, what the ancients beliefs could have been.
I get it now.The ancients believed in the duality of nature, an it was ever present in their mythologies, as it still is today.I agree with both sides. They may have been decommissioning a tree from a sacred grove to be used as a conduit to mirror the underworld. In the underworld a mirror tree would be growing out of the other side. The "penetrating of the tree trunk into the earth is blatantly fertility related. Death, fertilization (can't be a birth without it), rebirth, etc. Midwinter sunset would be Midsummer sunrise in the underworld. These are very important times of the year. Midwinter is when the harshest part is almost over, and midsummer is when crops are maturing and animals finally have a nice healthy weight to them. Baby animals starting to be weaned. Then the wheel starts to turn, time to start thinking about the solstices.Sacrifices were almost certainly carried out on the roots of the central trunk, as humans and animals are born of blood and fluids. Or maybe simple offerings of menstrual blood. Maybe even sacred sex was performed? lol (The place is weird, anything weirder is possible)This cycle continues on to this day. That is what the real Druids really knew.
Blah blah drivel wild speculation uninformed drivel blah blah
As above, so below.
Love the middle!!!!!
i cannot in this lifetime thank you enough for this incredible episode
I must admit my heart ached at removing of tree. Yet I also know time waits for no one and sacred sites are endangered by many causes. It’s a sad fact there is very little middle ground. I can certainly see both sides.
Miniminuteman has a great video about seahenge from a modern perspective. Seems the hippies were right but looked like idiots so didnt help thier case
Francis says something about "the soul going into the next world", but that's wild speculation on his part. We have no way to tell if a "soul" or a "next world" played any part at all in the mythology of people that long ago.
Got a better story?????
@@user-hy7zb2vl3t You're missing the point. It is just a STORY, one which can't be verified in any way. In a profession filled with people who try to figure out ancient societies based on the traces they leave behind, it's unprofessional to invent a religion for them when we really have no way to tell what they thought.
Wonder what those “druids” been smoking 🙄
dead trees
He who controls the present controls the past. He who controls the past controls the future.
I just found Seahenge in Assassin's creed valhalla. It didnt really look like how time team shows it to have looked but I instantly recognized it and thought of this episode.
time team comedy special. They should call the place stonedfolk
Is it greed or so-called management for health of the trees? We, in my area for a road, have lost thousands of acres of habitat with no plans to replace any of these beautiful native growth.
Cope and seethe.
yes, forest management. taking out some of the older trees to make room for new saplings too grow.
And don't forget that things like small scales fires are a natural part of forests.
very sensitively done. love the comments at the very end about the pagans and the archeologists being people who at least DO care, and the possibility of coming to some kind of understanding.
I agree, very well put by Francis. As I was watching, I wondering why they didn't involve the druids in the construction of the new henge.
why couldnt the tree have been a place to put dead people to rot and get their flesh removed by birds ... before they got a burial in their own place ... kind of like going to a funeral home where they do all the prep and then provide the religious service when all is ready
Lots of cultures have exposed their dead in just that way. Look up the burial trees of the American Plains Indians, the Persian "Towers of Silence", or Herodotus's description of Scythian funerals.
@@Gorboduc - Sky burials of Nepal.
So you’re quoting Francis but making it sound like an original thought?
Step one: create a d y k e that would protect the site and extraction.
Seems OBVIOUS enough....
@@monetbeck7015 Clearly, too obvious.
@@bethturner4070 morons. Everywhere morons. Did you watch the show?
I love protesters(sc). My question is, "why have u let this GREAT MONUMENT RELIGIOUS HOLY-PLACE gone in such ruin? You have failed my son to protect it, you have failed. Where were you before now?" Why do you protest knowledge? Protesters only protest, they NEVER protect!!!
They're pointless garbage in human skin. To be ignored.
They didn’t want it protected, they wanted it left alone. Like the way your father should have left your mother.
tell that lady...if this was in America...they already bulldozer the site to build Walmart LMAO
Ever found an arrow head on a site here?
See you in court for decades....sad but true....
Support your local druids, defend some mud!
The irony is that the modern Druids rely on iknowledge gained from previous archeology and research.
It's too bad the Druids were so oppositional to the project. They could have hauled the stump out of the ground for the replica.
I agree with the woman who said they vandalized it with the chainsaw. There was a highly less intrusive way to do it. As curious as I am to see the whole thing & learn as much as possible, I somehow feel, removing it is ripping it out of it's proper place in the world. If Stonehenge was threatened by a possible natural disaster, would they remove that too?
It's a pity they couldn't build a breakwater & an unobtrusive shelter with access for viewing. In a perfect world, it would be preserved & protected from the elements & people in situ and still allow people to see it. Mind you, whatever was built would have to blend with the landscape & be as low-key as possible as it's in a bird sanctuary.
@animerlon - Regarding the chainsaw, re-watch the video. On Cape Cod, when subsiding sand cliffs threatened several historic lighthouses, they were moved more inland. They are living on to guide ships.
It was sad to cut trees to make another circle
@Amanda Jones - Didn't they say in the video that those trees were already slated for cutting per their forest management plan?
They were slated to be cut as part of the forest husbandry process. Don't be sad for the trees cut in 1999, be sad for yourself for having the attention span of a gnat.
@@aserta oh I like you. 👍🏻🤣
@@MossyMozartpeople aren't listening to the video it seems.
Odd how these neo-Druids never bothered with (or likely even knew about) this site, before English Heritage decided to save it from the sea. They could hardly claim it as an important 'active' ceremonial site if they've never used it, much less visited it. Just goes to prove that mental health IS a serious matter, and too many people seem to be missing out on professional help/ therapy. Sad. Clearly, the guy who funded them anonymously at first (cowardly), was just a local who got all pissy about not being 'consulted' (thereby making him feel important)...basically, a male Brit "Karen". I'm a bit curious why EH or TT didn't attempt to ascertain whether this site was even in the water or at the coastline in 2500 BC, as most of the Brit coast was further out then. This site may not have even been in the water then, but further inland.
Do you know every sacred location for your pathetic religion?
They discussed whether it was “inland”. Maybe watch before you prattle.
My thoughts exactly. They didn't even know it was there to care about till they probably heard about it on the news.
What was the knowledge? She seems to feel like her feelings count more? You don’t need to dig things up to take the past seriously
Throw a net over that guy and haul him off. They want publicity and they want to be arrested. Stuff a (dirty) sock in that chick's mouth.
Prince Charles wrote him a letter? OOOOOhh well, doesn't that change everything.
A man who can't tie his own shoelaces, zip his own trousers or brush his teeth.
When he takes the throne, it will be a pleasure to watch the show.
He won't be able to keep his mouth shut.
I found it interesting when he was asked if he understood he would not be able to vent his opinions, as King. Political, agricultural, architectural, the mating habits of the varmints at Highgrove, anything.
Speaking of throwing a net.
Love your videos! Thanks for uploading! :)
I know we will never know for certain why this stump was inverted and then enclosed. I can’t help considering that the tree may have done some substantial damage to something or someone of importance when it came down and that it was “imprisoned” afterwards.
Now it's been released on parole 😂
Holy god! I was upset for everyone!
Was this made by the bell-beaker people?
The Beaker period in Britain was roughly 2400-1800 BCE, so it is very likely. However, by 2100 BCE ceramic styles had evolved from the classic bell beakers to other types such as collared urns and food vessels.
Well Time Team robbed out the Old Cirle standing for more than 4000 Years..... They should build a new one for those People on the same place.
Time team didn’t. English heritage did. Ffs.
"The same place" doesn't exist any more. The original wasn't built on a beach, but a lot farther away from the waterfront. Where it was here is land that is being removed by the sea.
It has been announced by Buckingham Palace that to commemorate her 125th year on the throne Her Majesty, the Queen, has given the Prince of Wales a special royal commission to map out all of the henges of Britain: Stonehenge, Woodhenge, Seahenge...Unhinged.
put it back.
So is it a calender? For seasons etc... if so why would they make a full circle?
What you see is the remnants of the actual thing. It used to be a "tube" of wood with the roots in the center, at least 3~4 meters tall, with holes cut into it supposedly to allow light to pass through and shine at various intervals according to season and so on.
I think they should have fully documented it, perhaps took a plaster cast of several outer timbers and then left it alone. You would be shocked at the number of sites destroyed because they were excavated and the data is eroding and crumbling away in museum basements. A lot of data still exists on floppy disks.
This magistrate is a Karen.
ratting to health and safety....only in the UK.
Can anyone explain why it’s always an important male at these prehistoric sites always never female regardless of carvings and figures and Mother Earth
Because druids had male leaders and because slamming a tree into sand is in fact a male image.
Because most of the archeologists are men. lol.
1:11:15 I didnt know Pee Wee Herman was on Time Team 🤯
Don't get the big deal a tree trunk surrounded by posts created. Maybe they were worshiping a tree god. Nuts.
I'm reminded of something that Mick said, when explaining to Tony (and us) that he likes to make the smallest trenches possible because "digging is destroying," his words, or something to that effect. And he's convinced that future archeologists will be better at it, which is undoubtedly true. So this complete transplant is obviously a complete destruction of the site; I don't see it any other way. I saw the pile of wood in the museum, it's just a pile of wood now. I don't have an answer here of course, but obviously it would've been destroyed by the sea, and failing that, it would've been destroyed by people. So, maybe it's best if it's destroyed by the professionals who would potentially benefit the most people. Maybe it's just a lose-lose situation. As an aside, I feel that Mick's grumbling in the beginning about how he can't even go over to see the site sums up how poorly managed and draconian the transplant went. Poorly played, and unnecessarily provocative to the locals. That's that old Empire mindset rearing it's ugly head once again on the ol' Isle.
Mervyn is trying to use big words isn't he? Shame he can't pronounce all the letters in them. How the hell can a "magistrate" try a case he brings himself, even in England?
I feel strongly about my mountains and other special people and places, and I do understand folks being attached to things.
It's a shame all around.
I really believe that those who set that circle, if they could understand, would want it saved and the story told.
Hilarious.
I don’t agree that things need to be “excavated”… there’s nothing there that is going to help our current lives. There’s a big difference between excavating a field of grass to find history and things like this… it’s literally been there for 1000s of years but now all of a sudden it was imminent? We also don’t need bones and objects found in historic graves to be in cases in museums! It’s straight up grave digging!
I’m pretty sure in the day and age there had to be some way to date the wood without taking a chain saw to it. I mean really!!! You were going to rob the site anyway.
Its going to get washed away anyway. It doesnt matter.
They used a chainsaw because the age of the wood meant that normal dendrochronological methods wouldn't work. They needed a much larger piece of wood than usual.
@@philaypeephilippotter6532 On top of the age of the wood that was left after so many years of wave action, most of it was completely waterlogged and extremely soft, so soft that it would crumble with a touch. They *had* to get to the center of it to examine the seasonal rings to date in accurately.
Literally said why they had to use a chainsaw.
@@S_Evenwar - Maybe people should watch more slowly, like the ones wondering about the type of water used to immerse the wood and the ones shocked that they would cut down trees out of the blue for their recreation. .^_^.
You can try,but you can’t go to
Spirit land by getting a degree
at college.
The benefactor who was tryna call health and saftey has a construction co. Bidding for this job and didnt get it. Explains why he suddenly cared about stopping it cuz hes a petty little b**ch and why maize called him out like oh you pull monuments its fine now we do it theres a problem? He said oh i didnt pull 4000 year old timbers. But yea thats cuz theres like none lol. Otherwise hed have tried. Which he did.
Interesting. sad that in order to preserve the wood the site had to be destroyed. It would have been better to let the sea claim it as was what was happening.
We will never know why these things were made. Even If we could go back in time to observe we would still not know. Unless we could live as they did with all their beliefs and fears.
From this, we learned how they felled the tree, how they moved the tree and how they buried the tree.
but why?
Some truth to what you say... but personally after watching this.. I was so glad they did.. all the information they got from preserving it, was so much more important.. But that's my opinion...
We might never know why they did that, but it's certainly not by leaving it to disappear that we will learn more. And those "druids" know very little about who they pretend they descend from.
probably religous
Siouxzen H - Humans are a curious lot. We may never know "exactly why" (beyond the sun alignment they discovered), but at least we know "how" and admire our ancestors all the more for their accomplishments.
Druid guy doesn't like to know how things actualy work and why. He rather had just his beliefs and superstitions. 🤣🤣
I am between here and there. The modern druids are bs, but modern archeology considers archeology from 1940s brutal and rather inadequate. So why dig it then for TV? The tides and erosion, they weren't born yesterday. It's the same lust for discovery that made early "archeologist" tamper the evidence and destroy good archeology.
But it was a good episode to see, that 50 years from filming, both parties got it probably wrong.
They didn’t dig it for tv. Didn’t you watch the show at all?
If they were in America they'd build a subdivision on the site and the property owners have rights.
I can never understand the Bureaucrats that feel the need to destroy something to understand it, then haul what is left to install it in a museum.
I reckon that's why most of Egypt is in the German, French, and British museums.
Trees survived there four thousand years but when some sort of profiteering could be made off it goes as if it wouldn't survive another day.
In America it would be bound up in legal until it was young again.....
We love our lawsuit
The Druids went about it the wrong way and used their beliefs, which aren’t seen in current society as “rational”, as the argument instead of just what is the actual reward vs destroying the site?
Aw, Maizie, you disappoint me. Any archeologist touching a body or religious site should always feel conflicted. Don’t get me wrong, science was my first love and I wanted to be an archeologist from the time I was a kid. But you have to keep in mind the more profound ramifications. Collecting things and having the knowledge is wonderful, but it’s not the whole picture.
I was shocked that she cited that people could use religious beliefs to support going forward. She spoke as though it doesn’t already exist. An educated person - especially one in her field- should know that in other countries like Iceland, construction (maybe archaeology?) can be stopped or modified according to whether the beliefs suggest it’s a sacred site. I respect that, these things have to take be taken into consideration.
Francis was more diplomatic, but it just goes to show that scientists everywhere are really confined by their attitudes and beliefs, and that’s not the agenda of science.
This is the only TT ever that I’ve had to bail out on, because it made me sad.
Religion doesn't exist. It's nothing more than the conjurings of deluded simpletons. In science there's no place for lunacy and dementia. We either do science or we do not.
Maybe if you stopped smoking so much....
What religion is seahenge depicting?