Do you think perhaps the bleakness is just historically acccurate portrayal of queer life in a hostile cisgendered straight 50's world? Love your reviews.
Was Call Me By Your Name really a love story where you wanted them together? It was talked about that way, but it was really more of a coming of age story about a teenager exploring his sexuality and falling in love for the first time. But was Armie Hammer's character in love with him, rather than just having a holiday fling and using a younger boy to have some fun? Were they even that close? I didn't really get that impression.
This interpretation is silly. There's nothing in the movie that suggests that Oliver was "using" Elio. He clearly shows a lot of love and affection for him but he's clearly too scared to continue with that (gay) relationship. He even says at the end that he's jealous of Elio because if his parents found out about his sexual orientation they would send him to a correctional facility...
You clearly missed the point. The book probably explains it in more detail but Oliver was in love with Elio. He was never "using him" which is why in the beginning he backed off until Elio came to him.
I think you two have really grown as reviewers lately. Between this and your Nightb*tch review, I've been really pleasantly surprised by how empathetic and open-minded you're showing yourselves to be.
Guadagnino has perfected showing the ugly side of infatuation that makes it kind of beautiful. The ridiculousness of longing that’s relatable. I can’t believe Daniel Craig’s accent was so good! Like, is he even British 🤣?
Can't wait to see this as I love surrealism (off topic but as far as art I'm a big Salvador Dalí stan here as a sidenote as he's a surrealist lol), and, Call Me by your name is one of my favorite movies, so I'm always excited when his films come out. Oh, and i LOVE Trent Reznor's scores.
I liked watching it and liked it better than Challengers. The relationship between the men is highly complex and lifelike as to how not open the Drew Starkey character is and how that clashes with Daniel Craig's character. I have never read the novel. It seems like the film is close to it, for better and for worse.
I'll say this about The Apprentice, I think it being out of the conversation for so long has hurt its chances a lot. And it easily be seen as irrelevant if Kamala Harris wins the election, as people will say it served its purpose and move on.
There's an older movie this sounds identical to, I just can't think of the name. It was long and ponderous but well acted and picturesque. I like both Craig and Starkey so I'll definitely check this out. And yes, can we call a moratorium on "lonely gay man coming to grips with being lonely and gay" films?
I'll see it for sure but I'm surprised you didn't mention how explicit it is (or not) because they are billing it as the most explicit gay movie ever...
Just saw the film and have a couple of questions. Was snowballing in the original script, or did Luca pop it on Craig and Starkey on set? Did anyone have to explain to Craig and Starkey what snowballing is, or did one of them come up with the idea? Just wondering
Was confused about the ouroboros/william tell scene, but learning Boroughs killed his wife in a similar way illuminated it a bit. In the book, the character is just called Lee, Kuritzkes made it “William Lee,” which was Boroughs pen name for a time
Guadagnino's movies seem to consistently have a particularly strong tactile texture to them. This film stars two actors who are in other movies in theaters now. Schwartzman is in Between the Temples, and Manville is in The Critic. The way you're describing Manville's character in Queer reminds me of her character in Let Him Go actually. The Academy has a tendency to nominate actors who star in a different kind of film after having been famous for a franchise blockbuster role, and I think that will work in Craig's favor.
Sensational review. Love how in depth you two got, deconstructing everything. I really think Daniel Craig should be able to get in securely. Sebastian Stan would be great as well. In a perfect world, why not both? Ugh! But for A Different Man, lol. Right now, I have Ralph Fiennes, Colman Domingo, Adrien Brody, Daniel Craig, Timothée Chalamet in the top 5, and also have Stan at #6. Am kinda hoping A Complete Unknown maybe is only a Golden Globe thing, and then just techs at the Oscars. Sorry Timmy lol. But realistically, he does his own singing, it's a biopic, it has a leg up. It's gonna be interesting.
@@manantial773 Craig will manage to get in, thanks to being considered due for recognition as an actor post-Bond. Chalamet is absolutely not guaranteed. His film is a big question mark, and Dune won't bring a nom alone. Stan depends on vote splitting with himself, or if he and Strong get a lil precursor help. Out of these 3, Craig has the stronger case right now.
before you two go see it again, go see Kubrick's '2001'. And, if you have time, Cocteau's 'Orphee'. It's not essential to have read the book (it never should be for a film adaption ... or maybe it is? h,mmmm... let's not go there..) but you guys sound like you can read and it is a short book .. an easy chill ... but you'll wake up when you read the seven or eight lines for when Lee extravagantly bows/gestures 'Hello' to Allerton as featured in the Official Trailer.... A camp 'Oscar' winning vignette.
I didn’t find it that inaccessible to be honest. Yes, there is Lynch-isms. But remember that the academy did nominate him for Mulholland Drive.. which I think is the same level of weirdness. Now that there is 10 spots, I still see this getting in, as well as the score, a surprising director nomination and Craig.
There is nothing enigmatic about either of these characters. They are closeted gay men in the 1950's. What that does to them, to find something real, a connection within their own psyches to themselves and possibly through each other is what the entire story is about. Queer, the novella, was never finished. That is important to note as Luca finishes it, in a way that perhaps Burroughs would have loved. That is why the last third, or third act, seems slightly disjointed from what came before. It is Luca finishing up decades later. Decades of change, acceptance, dropping all the burdens of prejudice and hate.
Brother bro always bringing it with the ending line. “Ever seem interested in people who aren’t interested in you.” Hhaa
Answer to the last question is yes. His name is BrotherBro.
Do you think perhaps the bleakness is just historically acccurate portrayal of queer life in a hostile cisgendered straight 50's world? Love your reviews.
Was Call Me By Your Name really a love story where you wanted them together? It was talked about that way, but it was really more of a coming of age story about a teenager exploring his sexuality and falling in love for the first time. But was Armie Hammer's character in love with him, rather than just having a holiday fling and using a younger boy to have some fun? Were they even that close? I didn't really get that impression.
agreed. it was never a real love prospect for Armie's character even though it hurt him to let go
I think his love was real but I agree that it’s more a coming of age story. Like it’s always done from the perspective of falling in love.
Agreed
This interpretation is silly. There's nothing in the movie that suggests that Oliver was "using" Elio. He clearly shows a lot of love and affection for him but he's clearly too scared to continue with that (gay) relationship. He even says at the end that he's jealous of Elio because if his parents found out about his sexual orientation they would send him to a correctional facility...
You clearly missed the point. The book probably explains it in more detail but Oliver was in love with Elio. He was never "using him" which is why in the beginning he backed off until Elio came to him.
Last question was uncalled for😭
To answer the last question, I don’t even know where I’d begin lol
I think you two have really grown as reviewers lately. Between this and your Nightb*tch review, I've been really pleasantly surprised by how empathetic and open-minded you're showing yourselves to be.
So I saw it with my friend and I loved it my friend didn’t, it’s definitely one of those kind of movies where it has an audience that is split 50-50
Guadagnino has perfected showing the ugly side of infatuation that makes it kind of beautiful. The ridiculousness of longing that’s relatable. I can’t believe Daniel Craig’s accent was so good! Like, is he even British 🤣?
“Ever like people that don’t seem that interested in you?”
LOVE this review. Gotta see this film!
Bravo! This is the most sensitive and perceptive review I've seen of the film version of Queer so far.
Can't wait to see this as I love surrealism (off topic but as far as art I'm a big Salvador Dalí stan here as a sidenote as he's a surrealist lol), and, Call Me by your name is one of my favorite movies, so I'm always excited when his films come out. Oh, and i LOVE Trent Reznor's scores.
I liked watching it and liked it better than Challengers. The relationship between the men is highly complex and lifelike as to how not open the Drew Starkey character is and how that clashes with Daniel Craig's character.
I have never read the novel. It seems like the film is close to it, for better and for worse.
I'll say this about The Apprentice, I think it being out of the conversation for so long has hurt its chances a lot. And it easily be seen as irrelevant if Kamala Harris wins the election, as people will say it served its purpose and move on.
Daniel Criang is getting momentum now. So I think it'd still in the conversation.
I wasn't paying much attention to this movie, but now I'm definitely seeking it out. Thanks, bros.
Both of you are awesome and deep. Thank you.
Brother Bro's Question of the Day is a little too real today 😭
Thank you for a well thought out and executed review.
No cat...
Loved the movie, one of the year's best. National Board of Review top 10: well deserved. Oscar worthy lead and cinematography. 10/10.
There's an older movie this sounds identical to, I just can't think of the name. It was long and ponderous but well acted and picturesque. I like both Craig and Starkey so I'll definitely check this out. And yes, can we call a moratorium on "lonely gay man coming to grips with being lonely and gay" films?
Gods and Monsters?
@@pb.j.1753 Death In Venice! Just found it after going down the rabbit hole of Slant's review of Queer.
Still feel like Craig will get in no matter what
He better! My fav male lead performance of the year. Haven't seen Brody, Chalamet or Domingo yet.
I'll see it for sure but I'm surprised you didn't mention how explicit it is (or not) because they are billing it as the most explicit gay movie ever...
Just saw the film and have a couple of questions. Was snowballing in the original script, or did Luca pop it on Craig and Starkey on set? Did anyone have to explain to Craig and Starkey what snowballing is, or did one of them come up with the idea? Just wondering
Was confused about the ouroboros/william tell scene, but learning Boroughs killed his wife in a similar way illuminated it a bit. In the book, the character is just called Lee, Kuritzkes made it “William Lee,” which was Boroughs pen name for a time
All of us strangers was incredible
Daniel Craig’s Hands are so gorgeous
Guadagnino's movies seem to consistently have a particularly strong tactile texture to them.
This film stars two actors who are in other movies in theaters now. Schwartzman is in Between the Temples, and Manville is in The Critic. The way you're describing Manville's character in Queer reminds me of her character in Let Him Go actually.
The Academy has a tendency to nominate actors who star in a different kind of film after having been famous for a franchise blockbuster role, and I think that will work in Craig's favor.
saw this today and wow. still processing but i enjoyed so much of it
Absolutely loved this review thank you
Sensational review. Love how in depth you two got, deconstructing everything. I really think Daniel Craig should be able to get in securely. Sebastian Stan would be great as well. In a perfect world, why not both? Ugh! But for A Different Man, lol. Right now, I have Ralph Fiennes, Colman Domingo, Adrien Brody, Daniel Craig, Timothée Chalamet in the top 5, and also have Stan at #6. Am kinda hoping A Complete Unknown maybe is only a Golden Globe thing, and then just techs at the Oscars. Sorry Timmy lol. But realistically, he does his own singing, it's a biopic, it has a leg up. It's gonna be interesting.
Chalamet will make it, he deserves a nomination for Dune as well. Craig and Stan depends, if no one cares for their films, they will not be nominated.
@@manantial773 Craig will manage to get in, thanks to being considered due for recognition as an actor post-Bond. Chalamet is absolutely not guaranteed. His film is a big question mark, and Dune won't bring a nom alone. Stan depends on vote splitting with himself, or if he and Strong get a lil precursor help. Out of these 3, Craig has the stronger case right now.
If you saw the sexual chemistry between Javier Bardem and Craig in 'Skyfall' I knew Craig had this in him. Excited to see this one
before you two go see it again, go see Kubrick's '2001'. And, if you have time, Cocteau's 'Orphee'. It's not essential to have read the book (it never should be for a film adaption ... or maybe it is? h,mmmm... let's not go there..) but you guys sound like you can read and it is a short book .. an easy chill ... but you'll wake up when you read the seven or eight lines for when Lee extravagantly bows/gestures 'Hello' to Allerton as featured in the Official Trailer.... A camp 'Oscar' winning vignette.
Great review!
I didn’t love either films but queer is absolutely superior in comparison to that little tennis movie
William S Burroughs murdered his spouse. What a lovely chap!
Queeriod films
Saw a clip of the sex scene on twitter, oh boy, Daniel Craig was doing the damn thing 😊
This is going to be my movie of the year I just know
I didn’t find it that inaccessible to be honest. Yes, there is Lynch-isms. But remember that the academy did nominate him for Mulholland Drive.. which I think is the same level of weirdness. Now that there is 10 spots, I still see this getting in, as well as the score, a surprising director nomination and Craig.
This could be brilliant
You guys are very funny
This film is dreadful
Bond goes gay
I’m not a fan of Luca’s films… I’m always underwhelmed.
Yeah I feel like I’m the only person who didn’t love Challengers - I liked the score and style but just couldn’t care about the story.
Challengers was pointless.
i'll skip it
Looks abominable
There is nothing enigmatic about either of these characters. They are closeted gay men in the 1950's. What that does to them, to find something real, a connection within their own psyches to themselves and possibly through each other is what the entire story is about. Queer, the novella, was never finished. That is important to note as Luca finishes it, in a way that perhaps Burroughs would have loved. That is why the last third, or third act, seems slightly disjointed from what came before. It is Luca finishing up decades later. Decades of change, acceptance, dropping all the burdens of prejudice and hate.