@@cubzrulz he said russo has part Blame but not fully as Vince McMahon and the rope guy are partly at fault he just blames Russo for bringing up the idea
To be fair, coming up with an idea that wasn't necessary and would've been shit even if 100% successful that then directly led to someone's death is a pretty valid reason to hate someone, even if it wasn't the only factor at play.
The fact that somebody like HBO hasn't tried to create a documentary or a dramatized documentary about WWE in the 90s and early 00s. Cornette, Russo, Vince, and all the controversies and stories behind the scenes. All the while wrestling was at its all-time high with fans. I'm guessing it's because whoever made it would be sued in MINUTES, knowing the people involved
Dark Side of the Ring series from Vice is pretty solid. There's a Russo episode and Cornette has some good input on a few episodes. The New Jack episode is insane.
The problem with Russo is he genuinely came into the business and wanted to make it better and feel bigger. Once he saw the show he saw it as a joke and ran with it. So in Cornette's and many others' eyes, Russo destroyed what made Wrestling actually good.
The issue with Jim Cornette he could get over the fact that Vince Russo made the WWE better. Vince Russo told Vince McMahon the truth that he need to give up on the cartoon gimmick.
@@Spider-Complexion oh yeah no 100% he definitely took a shit in wwe and left and it hasn’t recovered since. Russo has nothing but bad ideas if he has full control as we have seen but people like Cornette were able to salvage what was able to be.
@@quincykearney9862 but u can also pinpoint that Vince didn’t like the wrestling part of the business, just the entertainment aspect. He was so engaged with only popping ratings that he would neglect the wrestling part. When things are good he wants all the credit, when things go bad, it was someone else’s fault or he didn’t get a chance to write the show by himself. Jim and Russo are similar in that their greatest strengths were also their greatest weaknesses but from opposite sides, cornette was stuck in the 70-80s Memphis style of wrestling where as Russo was stuck in the Jerry springer- Howard stern style of entertainment writing
@@danielsims916 you have a good point about that. Do you also have realized that the wrestling business was changing. Vince Russo know the WWE have to change. Look how WCW was killing the WWE. WCW did the same thing once Hulk Hogan sign with WCW. They started to bring in cartoony gimmick for Hulk Hogan. Some of the fans started to boo Hulk Hogan because they were fed up with the cartoony gimmick. Eric Bischoff told Hulk Hogan he needs to turn heel if you want to get over. A look what happened NWO was the biggest story angle in wrestling.
I love Jim Cornette and the stooge test email he wrote to Terry Taylor, I’ve heard Cornette give a rough description of what he wrote in the email and why he wrote it (to see if Terry Taylor was a 2 faced prick who would tell Russo about the email and Terry Taylor instantly sent it to Russo) but I’ve not heard it word for word
I think these two guys are just from different worlds. Cornette is an old school wrestling "love of the game" type, and Russo is basically a reality TV producer. He's got a great sense of the psychology of television and what makes people stay tuned to a TV show. Jim thinks the psychology of the matches themselves should be the draw and understands what makes a wrestling match compelling. They both are good at what they do, but their mentalities clash. Also Vince is kind of slimy and Jim is kind of crazy.
Probably the best I've ever heard it put but it also makes me a little sad that if these two actually did get along or even get along just enough they could have been similar to the bears when coach Ditka and coach Ryan didn't get along hardly at all but together they did coach one of the greatest teams of all time and if Russo and Corny actually could just fake the funk for the sake of a good product who knows what all they would have been able to do in the business together
It's a small blip on the radar, but the tasteless "Oklahoma" gimmick that Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara (who played the character) created on WCW television was what soured me against the Russo camp. Not only was this a blatant shot at Jim Ross (a close friend of Jim Cornette, and as the Head of Talent Relations in WWE, was responsible for scouting and developing talent), but it also made fun of JR's real-life Bell's Palsy condition. Making fun of a person's real-life medical condition is already a line crossed, not to mention being a malicious middle finger directed at a former employer. Cornette actually confronted Ferrara over it, but surprisingly, Ferrara admitted it was in bad taste instead of following Russo's trademark "it's just a prank, bro, get over it" attitude.
Don’t forget his Beaver Cleavage mother / son duo incest storyline. That garbage has my vote for worst character / storyline ever created in the history wrestling. Russo is such tasteless, talentless hack. Says a lot about Vince that he ever hired that goon in the first place, more less elevating up the ladder in Creative.
The really dumb thing is i doubt the WCW fans had any bad feeling for JR so except for giving heat to a guy who shouldnt be trying to get it i dont see the point.
Whys everybody so sensitive about bells pausly, my mom had it for a while and she wasn't a big crybaby about it like JR. It's not like it's cancer or anything
@@alanmacdonald1457 there's a PPV almost every month. AEW has much less and you have to pay more for them. Also Bobby Lashley vs Brock Lesnar at Elimination Chamber in a week how the heck are you gonna say no to that?
Russo and Cornette are one of the biggest feuds and hates in wrestling history,and they still hate each other to this day. It’s been thirty long years and they still won’t bury the hatchet. I guess the only way to end this feud is to put these guys in a wrestling match. Now that’ll be a crazy thing to watch.
@@whitemamba0089 Jim goes on rants, Russo on the other hand lies about Cornette and/or tries to get him fired and arrested, not quite as one sided as Russo tries to make it out, Jim and Russo are basically Sunny and Sable, and as Jim would often describe Sunny he's an up front c**t, Russo like Sable is an undercover c**t, Jim is open and loud in his behaviour, Russo smiles to peoples face and sticks the knife in when no one is looking, and not just towards Jim, but others also.
Russo could care less, he knows he is partly responsible for the biggest era in wrestling history. Whereas Jim is responsible for ummmm Smokey Mountain Garbage shows.
I always believed that Russo's style could work if he had a filter, which was at least Vince McMahon at the very least in WWE. When he runs his own show is when it goes to hell.
They seemed to have tried that at TNA with Eric Bischoff being apart of the team and filling that role. I get the impression that Eric doesn’t seem to account those times as very pleasing to work, from what I’ve heard on his shoots 😂
@@shutupdodo3686 Well Russo was playing a lot of politics and getting on the side of Dixie Carter, according to Jim and Eric. All the stories Eric and Jim have of working with Vince in TNA, just sounded like a clusterfuc k of things to deal with.
I think cornette especially recently understands Kenny more than hates him. He understands that in Japan Kenny is so over doing the exact same thing he does over in the States. At frise he did hate him but if watch the Omega vs Ospreay review Jim did, you’ll hear Jim over and over say that Kenny is much better in Japan than the USA
Well The things IS in Japan you generally had More strict wief in business ovet alla so they probably told HIM Make good shit and they mean IT meanwhile in USA Kenny doesnt have same strict rules
@@andrewarmstrong7254 There's probably quite a bit of "you went away so we miss you" to it now that he mainly wrestles in AEW, and his presentation in Japan is at least appropriate for the style he wrestles in. He's almost definitely not as big as Okada or the other people he was wrestling when he was in the main events, but yeah he's quite big and it's more understandable in NJPW.
@@maximillianrexcarpediem1469 “your boy” you come off as a shiteating mark 😂 Matt’s comment must’ve struck a cord or else you wouldn’t have reacted that way.
Yeah, but it's also super weird because Cornette is more democrat and Russo is more conservative, apparently that's also part of the beef (Cornette really dislikes bible thumpers and Trumpists and Russo is both)
@@Peringon i think jim is not a liberal, he said he is a social democrat, there is a difference between these two i think, at least in my country that liberals and conservatives go hand in hand doing shit
I never agree with murder or anything of that nature. But Cornette was right about what was going to happen to TNA under Russo's supervision. Impact fell hard and to me it was so sad to see because I wanted to see them succeed and become something truly special.
They had their highest ratings under Russo, WCW stopped bleeding and ticked up. These are facts I believe the wrestling world hates because Russo is entertainment minded over wrestling
How angry would you get if someone on more than one occassion tried to get you fired and ruin your career? Someone tries to cost you $100k a year would you not be pissed off and out for blood?
@@channel_osh Good for you then mate, personally I think if someone tried to sabotage my career I spent 20 years building, and costing me a job that put me in the top I think 10% of earners in the country, that you know I would want to stomp their head into hamburger meat, but thats me, good thing you are a bit more level headed I guess.
Honestly, looking back I really think Corny should've handled that better. But at the same time I really can't blame him because Vince Russo damned near everyone ended by DQ; Now I understand that having one or two matches ended in DQ to build heat for heel wrestlers but not almost every match. So, I can understand why Jim was upset.
I wonder how it is now because Russo said that the heat is one sided, he even said that he would give cornette a free shot and even invited him to disscuss it on his podcast
Cornette and Russo 2 people who despise eachother to where one would rather die than be one of the last 2 people alive with the other. Brett Hart and Goldberg eat your hearts out cause you ain't wrestlings biggest blood feud. By this rate the moment Cornette and Russo make up and decide to patch it if it ever happens it'll feel like a Christmas miracle
But these are two grown ass men. Jim should just leave the man alone. We get it. We know that you don't like them yet, so why do you still continue to talk about him if this is indeed a shoot.
The way I look at it is Cornette comes from the old school of wrestling, which says "the biz" is professional Wrestling. Russo was new school, which calls it "sports entertainment". Russo wanted to do new things with new ideas, but he spit on all the traditions of the old way, and in so doing also spit on the intelligence of the fans. All the "on a pole" matches Russo kept pushing is a prime example. I am FIRMLY in the corner of Cornette in this feud. If Russo had a bit more respect for the business, it may have been different.
Russo sucks, but let’s be real. Cornette’s gimmick was dressing up in fire engine red jackets and hitting people with a tennis racket. That’s “sports entertainment.” You don’t see coaches in UFC smashing people with tennis rackets while Herb Dean isn’t looking.
Cornette would probably admit that himself too lmao Might be misremembering the exact verbiage, but Cornette said he will outlive Russo to make sure he can piss on his grave 😂
You talk about rationality as if it is a character trait that is immutable, when really it is just a mode of thinking people have varying degrees of success with in different areas of their lives. People have emotions, and when they run high they tend to override rationality. Cornette has shown the ability to think rationally about a great many things. Vince Russo is simply not one of them.
Cornette has about 10 times the subs and views that Russo does. There's the irony of Russo considering Cornette old school and out of touch... Seems Cornette has dated well while Russo has run off even fans of his earlier works.
@@karikarisworld2693 AEW isn’t perfect but it sure as hell as better than the crap wwe has been producing over the last 15 years or so. I watched from mania 1 and it’s like they have blatantly spit in the face of longtime wrestling fans. If you think that crap is captivating television you must have received a lobotomy in the not so distant past
Jim won Booker of the Year 3 times and Manager of the year about a dozen times. Promo of the year multiple times as well. Toxic or not, you’d be fool not to want talent like that in a wrestling promotion.
@@thebrokenglasskids5196 he has no idea what wrestling fans now like. He still thinks it’s 1982. Anybody who says that Kenny omega and the bucks can’t wrestle is just talking out his ass. He loses all credibility to me. It’s fine if he doesn’t like somebody but he will legitimately say omega can’t wrestle immediately following his matches with okada. He’s a clown
Although Russo's booking was bad, by and large, he had some good ideas in there too. But when I watch his interviews and some of his podcast, he comes off as a likeable guy, imo. I love Cornette. Some of his rants are too much for me and I do think he comes off bitter and full of vitriol sometimes. But I love him. He's so goddamn hilarious and has a brilliant and quick mind.
Cornette and Russo have argued and clashed several times during their run in WWE(then WWF). You can sense that just from Cornette's interviews. Russo had a booking style that was more storyline over the wrestling. That doesn't work because your working for a wrestling promotion. Cornette's booking resonates with me. Naturally you want more in-ring wrestling action than storylines. In Bret Hart's words, realism is needed for the in-ring action. Performance is what makes the pro wrestler.
That’s more of a one sided heat. Goldberg has said he apologized and there’s nothing more he can do and if Bret wants to feel the way he does then that’s his right.
Okay look, I totally understand why Cornette hates Russo I mean if I was in Cornette’s shoes I would feel the same. However, I think Cornette has taken this hatred too far against Russo when he decided to make terroristic threats against Russo and his entire family. Like seriously Russo’s family has nothing to do with this rivalry Cornette needs to keep them out of this and also instead of making terroristic threats, Cornette needs to either fight Russo like he said he wants to (defending on if Russo accepts) or have a sit down conservation with Russo and talk about their problems with each other like civilized adults.
Here is how I see the feud between Russo and Cornette: Cornette is part of the old guard where wrestling was wrestling, and Russo wanted to do more exciting matches. Knowing the type of personalities that they are, Cornette was rubbed the wrong way by Russo, and Russo believed that Cornette is a fossil for not adapting to the times.
I think their problem is they have two polar opposite personalities. Jim is a traditional sports entertainer, and Vince likes T and A and trash wrestling. Jim is passionate, obsessed even, and Vince doesn’t care at all. But that’s his problem he DOESNT CARE. And despite all his obsessive wackiness I’d rather have a guy who cares booking my shows than a guy who doesn’t
@@SharkSprayYTP Not sure how that would affect his job performance. And it didn’t. Jim won Booker of the year 3 times, Manager of the Year around a dozen times, and Promo of the Year multiple times as well. Russo has never won shit.
@@Rebelheart1985 He doesn’t need one. His podcast gets more views than any of the wrestling television broadcasts. He makes more money doing that than he ever would going back to writing or booking.
Something that people who didn't follow Cotnette's work don't understand is that the type of wrestling he likes is old school, 70s and 80s NWA style. That's the stuff he likes: "sports-based" wrestling. The clownshow that happened frequently in the mid 90s WWF, with all the occupation gimmicks, Mantaur, IRS, the Red Rooster, this is the shit that Vince McMahon likes. By all accounts. All the people who worked with McMahon and are outspoken about it say this. And as Pat Patterson once said, no matter who's on the creative team, the WWF only has one booker and that's Vince McMahon. Look at the lame ass stuff we've been getting until recently when Vinnie Mac was still in charge of creative. Max Dupri, ninjas, Killer Kross, selfie gimmicks, Nikki's Ass, The Rock's egg, I could go on, but I won't. Are people gonna put that In Cornette's tab too? When the last time he booked anything for the WWF was 25 years ago?
Cornette is 100% right. He's just SOOOO damn white-HOT with his passion. Gotta love it. Russo is like new guy who comes into your job and treats it like a joke but gets paid the same.
It’s funny how they are similar to each other but from opposite sides. Russo was right that wrestling needed to get away from the cartoon style that wwf was in but cornette was right that u don’t need to make wrestling as good as possible. Both of their greatest strengths are also their greatest weaknesses.
Thing here is Jim Cornette would agree that the cartoon style of WWF was garbage. Cornette always thought that the business should be treated seriously and that angles should make sense. I never understood the fascination with job gimmicks in the mid 90s. Man they had some terrible ideas.
I don't like either of them to be honest. I agree with some of Cornette's opinions on wrestling, and yeah, Russo is one of the worst things to happen to the wrestling business, but Jim's hatred of Russo is way over the top. Cornette is clearly unhinged and bitter, unable to let go of any grudges. Not liking Russo is understandable, but threatening to kill him and piss on his grave is ridiculous.
What's funny is in 2024 Russo's story driven style would be massively over with WWE fans. Cornette's is very niche, sport based and a little like the AEW product.
Let's keep it 1000,Jim is the only hater in this situation,Vince didn't say shit crazy to Jim so I feel like Jim is a Hater,I respect Jim Cornette's wrestling mind.
IDK this story smells like a double turn. Russo is pretending to be a babyface wanting to get peace with Cornette who is acting like a total Heel but in the end we will find out hat Jim was right all along when Vince is going to lowblow him once they finally shake hands. Vince Russo: you stupid old man I'M A SNAKE !! Jim Cornette: I knew I shouldn't have trust you son of a bitch !!
Between this beef & the 50 Cent/Ja Rule beef it’s hard to determine 2 things: 1.)Which feud has last longer & 2.)Which feud has a likelier chance of being resolved/put to rest
You can't blame Jim Cornette how he feel about how Russo is with how he look at wrestling but at the same time can't blame Russo how he feel about Cornette & how he look at wrestling. Truthfully both see the way the other didn't & also true that both can't have an agreement on how to run any wrestling company the way they like but in the end it work out fine in their own way.
The issue with Jim Cornette, he could get over the fact that Vince Russo made the WWE better. Vince Russo told Vince McMahon the truth that he need to give up on the cartoon gimmick. Vince Russo saw where the WWE was heading. The ratings were low and WCW was winning the war. Vince Russo was the only guy who told Vince McMahon he need to change the cartoon gimmick and focused on older audience. Jim Cornette on the only was too damn stuck up, acting like a tough guy, acting like wrestling don't be the change. They need to stick with the old-fashioned way. This is the same Jim Cornette who did the AWA invasion when the Attitude Era was kicking off. The same Jim Cornette who say The Midnight Express the greatest tag team champion ever. And guess what, The Midnight Express got boo at the arena while the New Age Outlaw, The Nation of Domination and DX was making a name for himself.
Vince Russo is a chaotic force that can generate ideas, and while they aren't human ideas or good ideas, or even recongnizeable as ideas to anyone not on a DMT trip they are still ideas. Jim Cornette has to wipe his ass a few too many times since he could never put long term value into his ideas and instead Russo just did flavor of the month or pants on head r3tarded things for the sake of doing them.
There's something about Jim Cornette that just fires me up every time I hear him talk. We need more people like Jimmy C. The passion and tradition flows in his veins!!!
I dont think ive ever seen vince russo fan. Vince has more people that hate him than like him where cornette yeah he has a lot of people that hate him but a shit ton more people that like him
Cornette Is a weird guy. He's very entertaining, and very knowledgeable, but he just seems so volatile and unstable. He's also about as intimidating as cold spaghetti.
It's definitely an interesting rivalry, and there's no real clear answer as to who's the bigger man. Both of them very much have their faults, and while he's done a lot to harm the product, at the end of the day, Russo was just doing his job. Was he always good at it? No, stuff like the Brawl For All and WCW before its dying days show that, but he was still creative and had some interesting ideas, which I respect him for. And while Jim has a very deep passion for the business, which I can respect, I can absolutely not give him any more respect than that because...why the hell would you want to actively KILL someone because their view on the business is different than yours, even if it's polar opposites in this case? I've never cared for either guy entirely, but I certainly have more sympathy for Russo than I do Cornette
BfA'll remain an historical moment for american prowrestling. It was, it is and it will be an unique moment. And people whos mad at it is basically repeating what Cornette says, people didnt care about behind the curtains politics at the time and just genuinely enjoyed it. BfA had only one flaw and this makes you realize how out of reality were the "old guard" guys who REALLY thought that in a not scripted match their favorite (Dr Death) would have won. Plus they ruined it all booking Gunn versus Butterbean instead of making him the title contender as promised. They punished Gunn for not losing in a real competition? By way of concussion? Whos the piece of 💩 here?
I've heard Russo say he doesn't hate Cornette. It is the latter that hates the former due to feeling like he is an outsider who ruined the wrestling business and who knows if that's not a gimmick to keep him relevant and in the spotlight. The marks are the ones playing into the media drama and adding their two cents into it.
Both r set in their ideas of what wrestling should be. Cornette wants more wrestling, less storyline & wants to go back to when Kayfabe was alive & well. Russo wants more storyline, less wrestling & wants to make product that would insult a 7yr olds intelligence. Personally, I think both storyline & wrestling r very important but I lean more towards Cornette's philosophy.
I would argue that Cornette doesn't want _less_ story, but story that isn't silly, and makes sense and is believable. I just heard him go on a long rant praising the exchange between Cody and Heyman on last Monday's Raw and how brilliant it was.
@@taiwanjon2583 true. It was a great promo. But Cornette has hated some of the best remembered promos. Like DX impersonating the nation of Domination. I believe he even blasted " this is your life" which is still one of the highest rated segments in wrestling history. I respect Cornette but some of his views r a bit much.
Russo made some people believe that Wrestling and Stories are like opposites while it's not. telling good stories doesn't mean you should get rid of wrestling.
Cornette wins, not because he is right (Both him and Russo have outdated views on what wrestling is), but Cornette wins because he actually cares about wrestling and he is WAYYYYYYYYYYY funnier. He sometimes gets some things right.
Jim said the most over the top things I've ever heard from someone and the only reason people listen to him because he give credit where credits do every once in awhile and while the rest he said is history.
The part at the end with the restraining order reminds of this dude, who stole a menu from the bar at the Berghain (techno club in Berlin) And tried to sell it on eBay. Of course they found out about and he was send a cease and desist order from the police. Which he then also tried to sell on eBay
Just a thought (and I know I’m wrong) but what if they’re both working us? It is wrestling after all. If it wasn’t for Russo we wouldn’t have the attitude era, and I grew up during that era of wrestling. But I’m still trying to figure out what Corny did during that era of wrestling. Sure, Corny was a great manager, but did he book anything memorable? Russo is the victim in this feud.
i saw the last few videos concerning vince and cornette, this has been the first video in a long time that i'v actually been waiting for from a youtube channel, i hope you haven't overhyped it :P was hoping to learn something rather than just a collection of statements they both made about each other and a timeline of when they worked together
If you look Cornette as an isolated case then yes he comes across as a psycho but when you have huge list of people within the industry who have had similar experiences in working with Russo you begin to realise that all of them can't be wrong. Cornette is not in the minority in his opinion of Russo.
I mean if you can't see why somebody is hated then that's the end of a conversation. Go look it up yourself. Why will cornette take it to the grave is a better conversation.
Bc they are both hard headed individuals that think their way is the only way wrestling should be, Russo has done some dumb stuff but so has cornette. Neither man is right or wrong in their approach
They may have hated each other but damn they made good TV together. They both came up with good things. They both went back and forth and made things work. That is what WWE needs. Friction in its story telling not YES man that agree to everything
He hates Russo for "keeping TNA from being competitive with WWE", yet TNA surpassed 2 million viewers when Russo was writing their TV. Much like people say Russo never takes the blame for any mistakes, does Cornette? On 2 occasions he opposed the creative direction which resulted in ratings growth, and ultimately record high viewership for those companies. It seems like everything Cornette attributes negatively to Russo, can actually be attributed to Cornette. The firings, the writing not getting talent over, the companies going down the tubes etc.
Which company did Cornette drive down the tube? Smoky Mountain? An old school style territory that was based in one of the poorest areas of the country, and that ran right next to WCW's towns in an era when WCW was undergoing a big renaissance? With no backing from billionaires or multi millionaires? No national television? Russo managed to somehow bring down a billionaire's wrestling company who had people like Hulk Hogan, Hall, Nash, Dusty Rhodes, Ric Flair, Sting, Goldberg, Bret Hart, Scott Steiner and Booker T under contract all at the same time. A company that had three time slots in one of the biggest national TV networks in the country. You gotta be a really special kind of person to manage to somehow put a promotion like this out of business. People love to talk about how great TNA's ratings were in that first Russo run, but what about the second one?
@@theazureknight9399 SMW to name one, and that was advertised on WWF TV as well as borrowing WWF talent like HBK and Undertaker on occasion. Cornette's writing also enabled 83 Weeks to become a thing, with RAW sinking to (at the time) its lowest ever ratings in 1996-1997. It's no coincidence that once Cornette was off creative, both in WWF and TNA, they peaked within the next 2 years. Russo didn't bring down WCW. The ratings improved while he was there. TNA's ratings hit record highs during Russo's second run (peaked in 2011), not his first.
@@TheNextStep851 SMW borrowed Shawn and Taker for the big shows once in a while, it's different from having possibly one of the best rosters in wrestling history signed to long term contracts like WCW during the Russo era. Not to mention the keys to a billionaire's coffers. I already explained on my previous comment the reason why SMW was set up for failure from the beginning regardless of booking. Russo's success during the Attitude Era was due to him hotshotting like never before, him stealing from ECW, him stumbling into the two biggest box office attractions on the history of wrestling, and WCW's booking under Bischoff and Nash getting worse and stale. Cornette didn't oppose The Rock and Stone Cold when he was there, he opposed shit like Beaver Cleavage, Mark Mero's booking and smoothbrain ideas like the Brawl for All that Russo himself takes credit for. Were those the things that brought peak ratings to RAW? The WWF during the time Cornette was in the creative team wasn't doing much of anything differently from what they were doing before he got there. It was the same 80s cartoon style shit that Vince McMahon liked. The WWF did poorly in 96 and 97 because WCW was white hot, not because their booking got worse. It's no coincidence that once the NWO started to get stale, suddenly RAW started getting more competitive in the ratings war. Oh yeah, Russo did hotshot a lot during his TNA and WCW runs and got people to tune in once in a while in order to see the constant car crashses. But this type of booking "success" never lasts more than a few years. It's a freakshow, once you see the five legged horse and the woman with three tits once, you don't come back. Big ratings for a short while doesn't mean big business. Again, it's no coincidence that Russo had the keys to the kingdom when WCW was sold to Vince McMahon by pennies on the dollar. Early 2000s WWE was very similar to the old Attitude era Russo crash TV booking style, and yet the ratings weren't nearly the same as they were during the Attitude era because everyone had already seen that Russo style wrestling. And you don't go back to the freakshow once you've already seen all the attractions.
@@theazureknight9399 Sounds like a lot of Cornette apologist hot air to me but whatever. Where Cornette failed it wasn't his fault but where Russo succeeded he failed and it was actually to someone else's credit? Horrible narrative there. Russo didn't have the keys to a billionaire's coffers, he just wrote the shows and produced the talent (who speak very highly of him by the way for the most part). Bischoff on the other hand did have those keys, which is where the ATM Eric and Easy E nicknames came from. Early 2000's WWE was not similar to the old crash TV booking style. That shows you don't really know what crash TV is. Crash TV was not just shock value, it was one segment crashing into the next. It was leaving hooks at every commercial break to make sure the audience came back and not having commercial breaks during matches. It was ending each show on a cliffhanger that made the audience want to see the resolution next week. What brought peak ratings to RAW was the way Russo and Ferrarra structured the shows. They would have 2 stories at least, sometimes 3, threaded throughout the 2 hours and you would get multiple segments backstage, away from the arena, or in the ring telling that story. Think McMahon and the stooges looking for Austin in Texas, or Mark Henry taking Chyna on a date. There was something for absolutely everyone. Russo was behind gimmicks such as The Brood (confirmed by Gangrel) and took advantage of a month he had full creative control to squeeze that gimmick in. McMahon didn't want any of that. For the record, Russo has stated he actually took from the nWo and WCW, not ECW. Just because a guy drinks a beer on TV doesn't mean he stole from ECW. Wrestlers were all drinking beer backstage and Russo was about airing reality on his shows.
Can't stand cornette!! Actually prefer russo to him! Didn't like alot of what he did in wcw but hes 100% more interesting than what cornette could come up with! Hes such a boring individual is cornette imagine him running a wrestling company would be like going back to the 60s! Hes such a nasty piece of work....no need to say all them things about russo just cause they didnt get on! Would love russo to kick his arse!
Russo is so full of shit in his interviews when asked about Corny. Yeah, Vince, i am sure you went with Jim's ideas "9 times out of 10", thats why the shows never looked remotely like something Jim would have put on camera.
"And if there´s a afterlife I`ll come back to haunt his ass"
Fuck, I started laughing so hard.
Gotta love Jim.
I would at least mention the Brawl for All and how Cornette feels about that and how Corny blames Russo for Owen's death.
If I recall Corny is on record saying blaming Russo for Hart's death is too far.
@@cubzrulz he said russo has part Blame but not fully as Vince McMahon and the rope guy are partly at fault he just blames Russo for bringing up the idea
Russo killed Owen Hart, he killed Owen Hart.
@@adamirishconundrum851 how
To be fair, coming up with an idea that wasn't necessary and would've been shit even if 100% successful that then directly led to someone's death is a pretty valid reason to hate someone, even if it wasn't the only factor at play.
The fact that somebody like HBO hasn't tried to create a documentary or a dramatized documentary about WWE in the 90s and early 00s. Cornette, Russo, Vince, and all the controversies and stories behind the scenes. All the while wrestling was at its all-time high with fans.
I'm guessing it's because whoever made it would be sued in MINUTES, knowing the people involved
I'd say your bottom comment is the precise answer then again if IF they could pay em all involved enough they may be able to pull it off.
Dark Side of the Ring series from Vice is pretty solid. There's a Russo episode and Cornette has some good input on a few episodes. The New Jack episode is insane.
Dude watch Dark Side Of The Ring
The problem with Russo is he genuinely came into the business and wanted to make it better and feel bigger. Once he saw the show he saw it as a joke and ran with it. So in Cornette's and many others' eyes, Russo destroyed what made Wrestling actually good.
The issue with Jim Cornette he could get over the fact that Vince Russo made the WWE better. Vince Russo told Vince McMahon the truth that he need to give up on the cartoon gimmick.
Idk man, there are some really stupid stipulations or ideas made by Russo, for every good one he had.
@@Spider-Complexion oh yeah no 100% he definitely took a shit in wwe and left and it hasn’t recovered since. Russo has nothing but bad ideas if he has full control as we have seen but people like Cornette were able to salvage what was able to be.
@@quincykearney9862 but u can also pinpoint that Vince didn’t like the wrestling part of the business, just the entertainment aspect. He was so engaged with only popping ratings that he would neglect the wrestling part. When things are good he wants all the credit, when things go bad, it was someone else’s fault or he didn’t get a chance to write the show by himself. Jim and Russo are similar in that their greatest strengths were also their greatest weaknesses but from opposite sides, cornette was stuck in the 70-80s Memphis style of wrestling where as Russo was stuck in the Jerry springer- Howard stern style of entertainment writing
@@danielsims916 you have a good point about that. Do you also have realized that the wrestling business was changing. Vince Russo know the WWE have to change. Look how WCW was killing the WWE.
WCW did the same thing once Hulk Hogan sign with WCW. They started to bring in cartoony gimmick for Hulk Hogan. Some of the fans started to boo Hulk Hogan because they were fed up with the cartoony gimmick. Eric Bischoff told Hulk Hogan he needs to turn heel if you want to get over. A look what happened NWO was the biggest story angle in wrestling.
That email from Cornette got me crying right now oh my god 😂😭😭😭 bro is so verbally wild when he’s angry it’s amazing
I love Jim Cornette and the stooge test email he wrote to Terry Taylor, I’ve heard Cornette give a rough description of what he wrote in the email and why he wrote it (to see if Terry Taylor was a 2 faced prick who would tell Russo about the email and Terry Taylor instantly sent it to Russo) but I’ve not heard it word for word
I think these two guys are just from different worlds. Cornette is an old school wrestling "love of the game" type, and Russo is basically a reality TV producer. He's got a great sense of the psychology of television and what makes people stay tuned to a TV show. Jim thinks the psychology of the matches themselves should be the draw and understands what makes a wrestling match compelling. They both are good at what they do, but their mentalities clash. Also Vince is kind of slimy and Jim is kind of crazy.
Probably the best I've ever heard it put but it also makes me a little sad that if these two actually did get along or even get along just enough they could have been similar to the bears when coach Ditka and coach Ryan didn't get along hardly at all but together they did coach one of the greatest teams of all time and if Russo and Corny actually could just fake the funk for the sake of a good product who knows what all they would have been able to do in the business together
This is true except the part where Russo has a great sense. He has a sense, no doubt. It's not "great".
"Vince is kind of slimy and Jim is kind of crazy" sums it up perfectly.
It's a small blip on the radar, but the tasteless "Oklahoma" gimmick that Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara (who played the character) created on WCW television was what soured me against the Russo camp. Not only was this a blatant shot at Jim Ross (a close friend of Jim Cornette, and as the Head of Talent Relations in WWE, was responsible for scouting and developing talent), but it also made fun of JR's real-life Bell's Palsy condition. Making fun of a person's real-life medical condition is already a line crossed, not to mention being a malicious middle finger directed at a former employer. Cornette actually confronted Ferrara over it, but surprisingly, Ferrara admitted it was in bad taste instead of following Russo's trademark "it's just a prank, bro, get over it" attitude.
Don’t forget his Beaver Cleavage mother / son duo incest storyline. That garbage has my vote for worst character / storyline ever created in the history wrestling. Russo is such tasteless, talentless hack. Says a lot about Vince that he ever hired that goon in the first place, more less elevating up the ladder in Creative.
The really dumb thing is i doubt the WCW fans had any bad feeling for JR so except for giving heat to a guy who shouldnt be trying to get it i dont see the point.
I'm a JR fan, and I thought Oklahoma was hilarious. It was in horrible taste, but it was too funny to hate.
Whys everybody so sensitive about bells pausly, my mom had it for a while and she wasn't a big crybaby about it like JR. It's not like it's cancer or anything
@@SquirrelASMR” Why do people get upset about a debilitating disease?” You sound like a boomer
I died at the part where he talks about Cornette waking up after having dreams of murduring Russo LOL
He signed the restrained order "The Stalker" Jim Cornette....I'm dead 🤣🤣
We should see this match at WrestleMania 40
Edit: actually, I think Saudi Arabia would be a better place to hold this match 😭
that would get me to pay for wrestlemania to see it live to avoid any possibilities of spoilers
@@alanmacdonald1457 bruh Peacock is like 5 Dollars my man and the reason you'd pay for it is for CORNETTE and RUSSO!? 😭😭😭😭
Brawl for all rules 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ultraexcalibur1728 why would i pay 5 dollars a month for a few PPVs, i don't watch wwe weekly i watch AEW
@@alanmacdonald1457 there's a PPV almost every month. AEW has much less and you have to pay more for them.
Also Bobby Lashley vs Brock Lesnar at Elimination Chamber in a week how the heck are you gonna say no to that?
Russo and Cornette are one of the biggest feuds and hates in wrestling history,and they still hate each other to this day.
It’s been thirty long years and they still won’t bury the hatchet. I guess the only way to end this feud is to put these guys in a wrestling match. Now that’ll be a crazy thing to watch.
Russo doesn't even go on rants hating Jim lol it's pretty one sided hate
The only time Cornette will bury the hatchet with Russo is when Cornette buries a hatchet in Russo's thick skull.
@@whitemamba0089 Jim goes on rants, Russo on the other hand lies about Cornette and/or tries to get him fired and arrested, not quite as one sided as Russo tries to make it out, Jim and Russo are basically Sunny and Sable, and as Jim would often describe Sunny he's an up front c**t, Russo like Sable is an undercover c**t, Jim is open and loud in his behaviour, Russo smiles to peoples face and sticks the knife in when no one is looking, and not just towards Jim, but others also.
Russo could care less, he knows he is partly responsible for the biggest era in wrestling history. Whereas Jim is responsible for ummmm Smokey Mountain Garbage shows.
@@gzuskreist1021 u realize Jim was apart of the staff when Russo was on it lol
hearing Cornette go off on a Russo rant always makes my day 😂
I actually wanna see a video of you talking about Jim Cornette's hatred for Kevin Dunn.
Bucky beaver looking mofo
Good old Bucky Beaver
Nobody can cut a promo like Corny, absolute legend.
@toxicavenger7073if u listened to his show for 2 min you'd know that's not true
I always believed that Russo's style could work if he had a filter, which was at least Vince McMahon at the very least in WWE. When he runs his own show is when it goes to hell.
They seemed to have tried that at TNA with Eric Bischoff being apart of the team and filling that role. I get the impression that Eric doesn’t seem to account those times as very pleasing to work, from what I’ve heard on his shoots 😂
Derp. Stop repeating things you hear in shoot interviews, marky markowicz 🎯 🤤
@@Spider-Complexion yea but eric bischoff isn’t a filter he amplifies Russo’s stupidity
Yeah, the "filter" was there for 20 years after Russo left and the ratings went down year after year. Y'all clowns 😂
@@shutupdodo3686 Well Russo was playing a lot of politics and getting on the side of Dixie Carter, according to Jim and Eric. All the stories Eric and Jim have of working with Vince in TNA, just sounded like a clusterfuc k of things to deal with.
I think cornette especially recently understands Kenny more than hates him. He understands that in Japan Kenny is so over doing the exact same thing he does over in the States. At frise he did hate him but if watch the Omega vs Ospreay review Jim did, you’ll hear Jim over and over say that Kenny is much better in Japan than the USA
Jim give credit when it’s due. But trust he doesn’t like Kenny at all
Is Omega that big in Japan? The Japanese experts who live in Japan don't think so.
Omega is pure aids.
Well The things IS in Japan you generally had More strict wief in business ovet alla so they probably told HIM Make good shit and they mean IT meanwhile in USA Kenny doesnt have same strict rules
@@andrewarmstrong7254 There's probably quite a bit of "you went away so we miss you" to it now that he mainly wrestles in AEW, and his presentation in Japan is at least appropriate for the style he wrestles in. He's almost definitely not as big as Okada or the other people he was wrestling when he was in the main events, but yeah he's quite big and it's more understandable in NJPW.
I get the vibe that Cornette hates Russo, and Russo only cares about Cornette because he keeps threatening him lol
Jim had someone make a rap remix for the his Russo hate
Let’s be real. Vince Russo leans into it sometimes because it’s the only thing that anyone gives a shit about him for.
@@thegame7134 Damn you're a mark. Can't have your boy Cornette looking bad without deflecting it onto Russo, eh?
@@maximillianrexcarpediem1469 that was unnecessarily aggressive man, chill your little tits, it’s an internet comment.
@@maximillianrexcarpediem1469 “your boy” you come off as a shiteating mark 😂 Matt’s comment must’ve struck a cord or else you wouldn’t have reacted that way.
You probably can add in the culture difference between the two. Jim coming from Kentucky and Vince coming from Long Island.
Also one being a complete communist shit/lib and the other being someone you could actually communicate with.
Yeah, but it's also super weird because Cornette is more democrat and Russo is more conservative, apparently that's also part of the beef (Cornette really dislikes bible thumpers and Trumpists and Russo is both)
@@Peringon i think jim is not a liberal, he said he is a social democrat, there is a difference between these two i think, at least in my country that liberals and conservatives go hand in hand doing shit
@@bernardosantosribeiro6665 yeah, you're right, my bad. I was using the term wrong.
@@Peringon not at all my friend, I was kind of forced to differentiate between these two things given the complex situation the world is going through
I never agree with murder or anything of that nature. But Cornette was right about what was going to happen to TNA under Russo's supervision. Impact fell hard and to me it was so sad to see because I wanted to see them succeed and become something truly special.
They had their highest ratings under Russo, WCW stopped bleeding and ticked up. These are facts I believe the wrestling world hates because Russo is entertainment minded over wrestling
Jim's email is the greatest thing I've ever heard
More like “why Jim cornette hates Vince Russo”
that email from cornette is wild af 💀 how you let somebody get that far under ur skin ur dreaming about murdering them that’s crazy
bro so mad at this man, like it’s not that deep 😭
How angry would you get if someone on more than one occassion tried to get you fired and ruin your career? Someone tries to cost you $100k a year would you not be pissed off and out for blood?
@@daz4363 No
@@channel_osh Good for you then mate, personally I think if someone tried to sabotage my career I spent 20 years building, and costing me a job that put me in the top I think 10% of earners in the country, that you know I would want to stomp their head into hamburger meat, but thats me, good thing you are a bit more level headed I guess.
@@KingYahshua but what about the inclusiveness it ruins the sincerity hurr durr
Honestly, looking back I really think Corny should've handled that better. But at the same time I really can't blame him because Vince Russo damned near everyone ended by DQ; Now I understand that having one or two matches ended in DQ to build heat for heel wrestlers but not almost every match. So, I can understand why Jim was upset.
Every match ending in dq is ridiculous.
I wonder how it is now because Russo said that the heat is one sided, he even said that he would give cornette a free shot and even invited him to disscuss it on his podcast
Cornette and Russo 2 people who despise eachother to where one would rather die than be one of the last 2 people alive with the other. Brett Hart and Goldberg eat your hearts out cause you ain't wrestlings biggest blood feud. By this rate the moment Cornette and Russo make up and decide to patch it if it ever happens it'll feel like a Christmas miracle
But these are two grown ass men. Jim should just leave the man alone. We get it. We know that you don't like them yet, so why do you still continue to talk about him if this is indeed a shoot.
Nope, it's a one way feud, just like all of Jim's made up feuds.
@@quesoblanco444 pretty much lol
@@quesoblanco444💯 truth
@@quesoblanco444 not at all but okay
The way I look at it is Cornette comes from the old school of wrestling, which says "the biz" is professional Wrestling. Russo was new school, which calls it "sports entertainment". Russo wanted to do new things with new ideas, but he spit on all the traditions of the old way, and in so doing also spit on the intelligence of the fans. All the "on a pole" matches Russo kept pushing is a prime example. I am FIRMLY in the corner of Cornette in this feud. If Russo had a bit more respect for the business, it may have been different.
Russo sucks, but let’s be real. Cornette’s gimmick was dressing up in fire engine red jackets and hitting people with a tennis racket. That’s “sports entertainment.” You don’t see coaches in UFC smashing people with tennis rackets while Herb Dean isn’t looking.
Do I need to say this? Wrestling isn’t just only one thing and it never has not ever will be.
Hating Vince Russo is the only thing keeping Jim Cornette going lol
True tbf
“Hate is a hell of a motivator”
Jim Cornette
I mean he basically said that on one of his podcast. Lol
Cornette would probably admit that himself too lmao
Might be misremembering the exact verbiage, but Cornette said he will outlive Russo to make sure he can piss on his grave 😂
Lol Didn't Jim lose weight purely because he wants to live longer than Russo 🤣🤣🤣
Cornette has a supernatural ability to string together profanity and insults without stuttering
I love Cornette as a storyteller, but no one who writes an email like that is a rational human being.
You talk about rationality as if it is a character trait that is immutable, when really it is just a mode of thinking people have varying degrees of success with in different areas of their lives. People have emotions, and when they run high they tend to override rationality. Cornette has shown the ability to think rationally about a great many things. Vince Russo is simply not one of them.
Cornette has about 10 times the subs and views that Russo does. There's the irony of Russo considering Cornette old school and out of touch...
Seems Cornette has dated well while Russo has run off even fans of his earlier works.
Cornette dated well?
The same guy who never shuts up and can say some of the stupidest and most outdated things dated well?
Russo not being in wrestling shows u that
@@cjskylark6659 Cotnette’s barely even in wrestling. He burns about every damn bridge he’s ever crossed.
It’s rich how cornette harps on Russo not having a job in wrestling when he’s just as toxic to have in a company
I don’t think Russo ever pulled a gun on anybody, hit anybody’s car with a bat or fuck you’d his way into the blacklist.
What's toxic and needs to be batted is AEW fans that feel and think aew is good. Jim's passionate Russo made wwe corny
@@karikarisworld2693 AEW isn’t perfect but it sure as hell as better than the crap wwe has been producing over the last 15 years or so. I watched from mania 1 and it’s like they have blatantly spit in the face of longtime wrestling fans. If you think that crap is captivating television you must have received a lobotomy in the not so distant past
Jim won Booker of the Year 3 times and Manager of the year about a dozen times. Promo of the year multiple times as well. Toxic or not, you’d be fool not to want talent like that in a wrestling promotion.
@@thebrokenglasskids5196 he has no idea what wrestling fans now like. He still thinks it’s 1982. Anybody who says that Kenny omega and the bucks can’t wrestle is just talking out his ass. He loses all credibility to me. It’s fine if he doesn’t like somebody but he will legitimately say omega can’t wrestle immediately following his matches with okada. He’s a clown
Although Russo's booking was bad, by and large, he had some good ideas in there too. But when I watch his interviews and some of his podcast, he comes off as a likeable guy, imo. I love Cornette. Some of his rants are too much for me and I do think he comes off bitter and full of vitriol sometimes. But I love him. He's so goddamn hilarious and has a brilliant and quick mind.
Cornette and Russo have argued and clashed several times during their run in WWE(then WWF). You can sense that just from Cornette's interviews. Russo had a booking style that was more storyline over the wrestling. That doesn't work because your working for a wrestling promotion. Cornette's booking resonates with me. Naturally you want more in-ring wrestling action than storylines. In Bret Hart's words, realism is needed for the in-ring action. Performance is what makes the pro wrestler.
What about a "Why is Dixie Carter hated"?
There should be a Darkside of the Ring episode about the beef between these two guys.
Can you do a video about Bret hart and Goldberg hate each other?
He said he would never do another video about Bret Hart after last time
@@georgewashingmachine6240what happened last time?
That’s more of a one sided heat. Goldberg has said he apologized and there’s nothing more he can do and if Bret wants to feel the way he does then that’s his right.
More like Bret HATES Goldberg
Bret Hart sucks and is blaming Goldberg for an injury that happened in a match. Why doesn't edge blame brodus clay?
Okay look, I totally understand why Cornette hates Russo I mean if I was in Cornette’s shoes I would feel the same. However, I think Cornette has taken this hatred too far against Russo when he decided to make terroristic threats against Russo and his entire family. Like seriously Russo’s family has nothing to do with this rivalry Cornette needs to keep them out of this and also instead of making terroristic threats, Cornette needs to either fight Russo like he said he wants to (defending on if Russo accepts) or have a sit down conservation with Russo and talk about their problems with each other like civilized adults.
Here is how I see the feud between Russo and Cornette: Cornette is part of the old guard where wrestling was wrestling, and Russo wanted to do more exciting matches. Knowing the type of personalities that they are, Cornette was rubbed the wrong way by Russo, and Russo believed that Cornette is a fossil for not adapting to the times.
I think their problem is they have two polar opposite personalities. Jim is a traditional sports entertainer, and Vince likes T and A and trash wrestling. Jim is passionate, obsessed even, and Vince doesn’t care at all. But that’s his problem he DOESNT CARE. And despite all his obsessive wackiness I’d rather have a guy who cares booking my shows than a guy who doesn’t
what about a guy who has a burning hatred for a guy to the point of fantasising over murdering him just because he didnt like his booking?
@@SharkSprayYTP Not sure how that would affect his job performance.
And it didn’t. Jim won Booker of the year 3 times, Manager of the Year around a dozen times, and Promo of the Year multiple times as well.
Russo has never won shit.
I’ll rather have someone who doesn’t around then someone who will fantasize about murdering you over having a different opinion about wrestling.
@@thebrokenglasskids5196
Yet somehow comes off as more tolerable. Also if Cornette keeps acting like that, his chances of getting a job is dead.
@@Rebelheart1985 He doesn’t need one. His podcast gets more views than any of the wrestling television broadcasts. He makes more money doing that than he ever would going back to writing or booking.
The fact that TNA went from being the biggest threat to WWE since WCW to a joke in a few years shows how right Jim was
Jim Cornette has not liked wrestling of any kind since 1986.
It brings me joy to know that Russo tarnished his ability to join a legitimate wrestling company because now everyone knows what he's like
Something that people who didn't follow Cotnette's work don't understand is that the type of wrestling he likes is old school, 70s and 80s NWA style. That's the stuff he likes: "sports-based" wrestling.
The clownshow that happened frequently in the mid 90s WWF, with all the occupation gimmicks, Mantaur, IRS, the Red Rooster, this is the shit that Vince McMahon likes. By all accounts. All the people who worked with McMahon and are outspoken about it say this. And as Pat Patterson once said, no matter who's on the creative team, the WWF only has one booker and that's Vince McMahon.
Look at the lame ass stuff we've been getting until recently when Vinnie Mac was still in charge of creative.
Max Dupri, ninjas, Killer Kross, selfie gimmicks, Nikki's Ass, The Rock's egg, I could go on, but I won't.
Are people gonna put that In Cornette's tab too? When the last time he booked anything for the WWF was 25 years ago?
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Cornette is 100% right. He's just SOOOO damn white-HOT with his passion. Gotta love it. Russo is like new guy who comes into your job and treats it like a joke but gets paid the same.
I don't think Russo really hates Cornette. Atleast he doesn't show it. Cornette on the other hand lol
It’s funny how they are similar to each other but from opposite sides. Russo was right that wrestling needed to get away from the cartoon style that wwf was in but cornette was right that u don’t need to make wrestling as good as possible. Both of their greatest strengths are also their greatest weaknesses.
Thing here is Jim Cornette would agree that the cartoon style of WWF was garbage. Cornette always thought that the business should be treated seriously and that angles should make sense. I never understood the fascination with job gimmicks in the mid 90s. Man they had some terrible ideas.
@@mattroxursoul that was Vince McMahon for you . He always saw wwf as Disney on ice . But everything else you said was true
@@mattroxursoul that was all Vince and his stooge Bruce Pritchard
I don't like either of them to be honest. I agree with some of Cornette's opinions on wrestling, and yeah, Russo is one of the worst things to happen to the wrestling business, but Jim's hatred of Russo is way over the top. Cornette is clearly unhinged and bitter, unable to let go of any grudges. Not liking Russo is understandable, but threatening to kill him and piss on his grave is ridiculous.
What's funny is in 2024 Russo's story driven style would be massively over with WWE fans. Cornette's is very niche, sport based and a little like the AEW product.
Thats a joke right? Irony/sarcasm doesn´t always translate well into text.
I often wonder who Jim Cornette hates More, Vince Russo or The Republican Party
Let's keep it 1000,Jim is the only hater in this situation,Vince didn't say shit crazy to Jim so I feel like Jim is a Hater,I respect Jim Cornette's wrestling mind.
That email is so unhinged.. was he on drugs or what?
The hate is really one sided, Vince has said repeatedly he would like to bury the hatchet with Jim...Jim is the one who cannot let it go.
IDK this story smells like a double turn. Russo is pretending to be a babyface wanting to get peace with Cornette who is acting like a total Heel but in the end we will find out hat Jim was right all along when Vince is going to lowblow him once they finally shake hands.
Vince Russo: you stupid old man I'M A SNAKE !!
Jim Cornette: I knew I shouldn't have trust you son of a bitch !!
Between this beef & the 50 Cent/Ja Rule beef it’s hard to determine 2 things: 1.)Which feud has last longer & 2.)Which feud has a likelier chance of being resolved/put to rest
You can't blame Jim Cornette how he feel about how Russo is with how he look at wrestling but at the same time can't blame Russo how he feel about Cornette & how he look at wrestling. Truthfully both see the way the other didn't & also true that both can't have an agreement on how to run any wrestling company the way they like but in the end it work out fine in their own way.
The issue with Jim Cornette, he could get over the fact that Vince Russo made the WWE better. Vince Russo told Vince McMahon the truth that he need to give up on the cartoon gimmick.
Vince Russo saw where the WWE was heading. The ratings were low and WCW was winning the war. Vince Russo was the only guy who told Vince McMahon he need to change the cartoon gimmick and focused on older audience. Jim Cornette on the only was too damn stuck up, acting like a tough guy, acting like wrestling don't be the change. They need to stick with the old-fashioned way. This is the same Jim Cornette who did the AWA invasion when the Attitude Era was kicking off.
The same Jim Cornette who say The Midnight Express the greatest tag team champion ever. And guess what, The Midnight Express got boo at the arena while the New Age Outlaw, The Nation of Domination and DX was making a name for himself.
Vince Russo is a chaotic force that can generate ideas, and while they aren't human ideas or good ideas, or even recongnizeable as ideas to anyone not on a DMT trip they are still ideas. Jim Cornette has to wipe his ass a few too many times since he could never put long term value into his ideas and instead Russo just did flavor of the month or pants on head r3tarded things for the sake of doing them.
Jim Cornette hatred for Vince Russo is legendary! I don’t think I’ve ever heard of anybody hating somebody more! Lmao
There's something about Jim Cornette that just fires me up every time I hear him talk. We need more people like Jimmy C. The passion and tradition flows in his veins!!!
I'm training to become a pro wrestler.
Nice how’s it going
@@littledevil2359 good.
That's cool, that you have a great career man, if you want a recommendation company go to gcw, this place is becoming giant every month
That's awesome, I hope you make it big! 👍
Don't let corny catch u wrestling a blow up doll or the invisible man lol
I dont think ive ever seen vince russo fan. Vince has more people that hate him than like him where cornette yeah he has a lot of people that hate him but a shit ton more people that like him
Cornette vs Russo, the great wrestling feud that has never taken place within a wrestling ring.
Maybe be bigger than Steve Austin VS. Vince McMahon AND more dangerous than Chris Benoit VS. Kevin Sullivan!
Jim Cornette seems to hate a lot of people. Clearly he's not the problem...
Why Jim Cornette and Vince Russo Hate Each Other: Part 1. There’s way more than what is here to cover.
Cornette Is a weird guy. He's very entertaining, and very knowledgeable, but he just seems so volatile and unstable. He's also about as intimidating as cold spaghetti.
It's definitely an interesting rivalry, and there's no real clear answer as to who's the bigger man. Both of them very much have their faults, and while he's done a lot to harm the product, at the end of the day, Russo was just doing his job. Was he always good at it? No, stuff like the Brawl For All and WCW before its dying days show that, but he was still creative and had some interesting ideas, which I respect him for. And while Jim has a very deep passion for the business, which I can respect, I can absolutely not give him any more respect than that because...why the hell would you want to actively KILL someone because their view on the business is different than yours, even if it's polar opposites in this case? I've never cared for either guy entirely, but I certainly have more sympathy for Russo than I do Cornette
BfA'll remain an historical moment for american prowrestling.
It was, it is and it will be an unique moment.
And people whos mad at it is basically repeating what Cornette says, people didnt care about behind the curtains politics at the time and just genuinely enjoyed it.
BfA had only one flaw and this makes you realize how out of reality were the "old guard" guys who REALLY thought that in a not scripted match their favorite (Dr Death) would have won.
Plus they ruined it all booking Gunn versus Butterbean instead of making him the title contender as promised.
They punished Gunn for not losing in a real competition? By way of concussion?
Whos the piece of 💩 here?
Jim is, if nothing else, a true wordsmith
Jim Cornette taught me that if you have an official nemesis in your life have a good way with words.
I've heard Russo say he doesn't hate Cornette. It is the latter that hates the former due to feeling
like he is an outsider who ruined the wrestling business and who knows if that's not a gimmick to
keep him relevant and in the spotlight. The marks are the ones playing into the media drama and
adding their two cents into it.
They both suck, Russo is a man child, and Cornette is the sentient version of the "old man yells at cloud" joke from The Simpsons.
The video we been waiting for, cool video as always Tom, you have a great weekend 💯
Cornette has some serious issues. I enjoy listening to him as an entertainer but dude is bona-fide crazy
How?
@@poavao6832 Jim said he would get a raging hard on splattering Russo's brain with a bat.
Get them in a room together and put a camera on them and you're rich
What if we were getting worked ,and they're out on a boat fishing drinking beers and Sprite? 🤣
Does Jim Cornette know that wrestling isn't real?
The greatest rivalry in pro wrestling.
Both r set in their ideas of what wrestling should be. Cornette wants more wrestling, less storyline & wants to go back to when Kayfabe was alive & well. Russo wants more storyline, less wrestling & wants to make product that would insult a 7yr olds intelligence. Personally, I think both storyline & wrestling r very important but I lean more towards Cornette's philosophy.
I would argue that Cornette doesn't want _less_ story, but story that isn't silly, and makes sense and is believable. I just heard him go on a long rant praising the exchange between Cody and Heyman on last Monday's Raw and how brilliant it was.
@@taiwanjon2583 true. It was a great promo. But Cornette has hated some of the best remembered promos. Like DX impersonating the nation of Domination. I believe he even blasted " this is your life" which is still one of the highest rated segments in wrestling history. I respect Cornette but some of his views r a bit much.
Russo made some people believe that Wrestling and Stories are like opposites while it's not. telling good stories doesn't mean you should get rid of wrestling.
Cornette wins, not because he is right (Both him and Russo have outdated views on what wrestling is), but Cornette wins because he actually cares about wrestling and he is WAYYYYYYYYYYY funnier. He sometimes gets some things right.
Jim said the most over the top things I've ever heard from someone
and the only reason people listen to him because he give credit where credits do every once in awhile and while the rest he said is history.
I'm pretty sure I would get arrested if I sent this to my job
The part at the end with the restraining order reminds of this dude, who stole a menu from the bar at the Berghain (techno club in Berlin)
And tried to sell it on eBay. Of course they found out about and he was send a cease and desist order from the police. Which he then also tried to sell on eBay
Just a thought (and I know I’m wrong) but what if they’re both working us? It is wrestling after all. If it wasn’t for Russo we wouldn’t have the attitude era, and I grew up during that era of wrestling. But I’m still trying to figure out what Corny did during that era of wrestling. Sure, Corny was a great manager, but did he book anything memorable? Russo is the victim in this feud.
i saw the last few videos concerning vince and cornette, this has been the first video in a long time that i'v actually been waiting for from a youtube channel, i hope you haven't overhyped it :P
was hoping to learn something rather than just a collection of statements they both made about each other and a timeline of when they worked together
If you look Cornette as an isolated case then yes he comes across as a psycho but when you have huge list of people within the industry who have had similar experiences in working with Russo you begin to realise that all of them can't be wrong. Cornette is not in the minority in his opinion of Russo.
I mean if you can't see why somebody is hated then that's the end of a conversation. Go look it up yourself. Why will cornette take it to the grave is a better conversation.
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If we could harness pure hatred as an energy source Cornette would collapse the entire universe into a black hole.
I have followed the Jim Cornette & Vince Russo feud in 2018 and it gets crazier, but heated.
As a rib, they should have Vinnie Rue induct corny into the WWE hall of fame. Would be big media, just seeing what might happen
We reached 2.5k likes.. time for that Jim Cornette vs Kenny Omega video lmao
Bc they are both hard headed individuals that think their way is the only way wrestling should be, Russo has done some dumb stuff but so has cornette. Neither man is right or wrong in their approach
I just want all the Jim Cornette feud videos
Jim really said "I am pursuing a career as a professional hater" but gotta respect his passion
I have a signed copy of that restraining order, and it's one of my prize possessions.
Cornettes hatred of Vince Russo has brought me many years of laughter
You did some great work on this man! This is great
They may have hated each other but damn they made good TV together. They both came up with good things. They both went back and forth and made things work. That is what WWE needs. Friction in its story telling not YES man that agree to everything
I thought that actually was the hitman and the undertaker in the background, in full ring gear, just watching a chat between mcmahon and russo at 1:38
He hates Russo for "keeping TNA from being competitive with WWE", yet TNA surpassed 2 million viewers when Russo was writing their TV.
Much like people say Russo never takes the blame for any mistakes, does Cornette? On 2 occasions he opposed the creative direction which resulted in ratings growth, and ultimately record high viewership for those companies.
It seems like everything Cornette attributes negatively to Russo, can actually be attributed to Cornette. The firings, the writing not getting talent over, the companies going down the tubes etc.
Which company did Cornette drive down the tube?
Smoky Mountain? An old school style territory that was based in one of the poorest areas of the country, and that ran right next to WCW's towns in an era when WCW was undergoing a big renaissance? With no backing from billionaires or multi millionaires? No national television?
Russo managed to somehow bring down a billionaire's wrestling company who had people like Hulk Hogan, Hall, Nash, Dusty Rhodes, Ric Flair, Sting, Goldberg, Bret Hart, Scott Steiner and Booker T under contract all at the same time. A company that had three time slots in one of the biggest national TV networks in the country. You gotta be a really special kind of person to manage to somehow put a promotion like this out of business.
People love to talk about how great TNA's ratings were in that first Russo run, but what about the second one?
@@theazureknight9399 SMW to name one, and that was advertised on WWF TV as well as borrowing WWF talent like HBK and Undertaker on occasion.
Cornette's writing also enabled 83 Weeks to become a thing, with RAW sinking to (at the time) its lowest ever ratings in 1996-1997. It's no coincidence that once Cornette was off creative, both in WWF and TNA, they peaked within the next 2 years.
Russo didn't bring down WCW. The ratings improved while he was there. TNA's ratings hit record highs during Russo's second run (peaked in 2011), not his first.
@@TheNextStep851 SMW borrowed Shawn and Taker for the big shows once in a while, it's different from having possibly one of the best rosters in wrestling history signed to long term contracts like WCW during the Russo era. Not to mention the keys to a billionaire's coffers. I already explained on my previous comment the reason why SMW was set up for failure from the beginning regardless of booking.
Russo's success during the Attitude Era was due to him hotshotting like never before, him stealing from ECW, him stumbling into the two biggest box office attractions on the history of wrestling, and WCW's booking under Bischoff and Nash getting worse and stale.
Cornette didn't oppose The Rock and Stone Cold when he was there, he opposed shit like Beaver Cleavage, Mark Mero's booking and smoothbrain ideas like the Brawl for All that Russo himself takes credit for. Were those the things that brought peak ratings to RAW?
The WWF during the time Cornette was in the creative team wasn't doing much of anything differently from what they were doing before he got there. It was the same 80s cartoon style shit that Vince McMahon liked. The WWF did poorly in 96 and 97 because WCW was white hot, not because their booking got worse.
It's no coincidence that once the NWO started to get stale, suddenly RAW started getting more competitive in the ratings war.
Oh yeah, Russo did hotshot a lot during his TNA and WCW runs and got people to tune in once in a while in order to see the constant car crashses. But this type of booking "success" never lasts more than a few years. It's a freakshow, once you see the five legged horse and the woman with three tits once, you don't come back. Big ratings for a short while doesn't mean big business. Again, it's no coincidence that Russo had the keys to the kingdom when WCW was sold to Vince McMahon by pennies on the dollar.
Early 2000s WWE was very similar to the old Attitude era Russo crash TV booking style, and yet the ratings weren't nearly the same as they were during the Attitude era because everyone had already seen that Russo style wrestling. And you don't go back to the freakshow once you've already seen all the attractions.
@@theazureknight9399 Sounds like a lot of Cornette apologist hot air to me but whatever. Where Cornette failed it wasn't his fault but where Russo succeeded he failed and it was actually to someone else's credit? Horrible narrative there.
Russo didn't have the keys to a billionaire's coffers, he just wrote the shows and produced the talent (who speak very highly of him by the way for the most part). Bischoff on the other hand did have those keys, which is where the ATM Eric and Easy E nicknames came from.
Early 2000's WWE was not similar to the old crash TV booking style. That shows you don't really know what crash TV is. Crash TV was not just shock value, it was one segment crashing into the next. It was leaving hooks at every commercial break to make sure the audience came back and not having commercial breaks during matches. It was ending each show on a cliffhanger that made the audience want to see the resolution next week.
What brought peak ratings to RAW was the way Russo and Ferrarra structured the shows. They would have 2 stories at least, sometimes 3, threaded throughout the 2 hours and you would get multiple segments backstage, away from the arena, or in the ring telling that story. Think McMahon and the stooges looking for Austin in Texas, or Mark Henry taking Chyna on a date. There was something for absolutely everyone. Russo was behind gimmicks such as The Brood (confirmed by Gangrel) and took advantage of a month he had full creative control to squeeze that gimmick in. McMahon didn't want any of that.
For the record, Russo has stated he actually took from the nWo and WCW, not ECW. Just because a guy drinks a beer on TV doesn't mean he stole from ECW. Wrestlers were all drinking beer backstage and Russo was about airing reality on his shows.
@@theazureknight9399 hogan hall and especially that chode Nash came closer to killing WCW than Russo ever did.
Can't stand cornette!! Actually prefer russo to him! Didn't like alot of what he did in wcw but hes 100% more interesting than what cornette could come up with!
Hes such a boring individual is cornette imagine him running a wrestling company would be like going back to the 60s!
Hes such a nasty piece of work....no need to say all them things about russo just cause they didnt get on! Would love russo to kick his arse!
Russo is so full of shit in his interviews when asked about Corny. Yeah, Vince, i am sure you went with Jim's ideas "9 times out of 10", thats why the shows never looked remotely like something Jim would have put on camera.