Thanks again Dr. Ian Cutress. Massive respect for Raja Koduri. He was given an ancient iGPU architecture at Intel and asked to create magic out of it to compete against the industry titans AMD & Nvidia. Though Intel Arc may not be competitive in its first iteration, I could understand the hard work done by Raja & Team to have come thus far.
I remember Iris Pro years ago and it was a good laptop iGPU. I didn't need it to play games, but for that time, it was just perfect for a laptop with a second monitor attached.
@@somehow_not_helpfulATcrap Gen12/Xe is an evolution of the Gen11 architecture (which, in turn, was an evolution of Gen9, etc.), with changes made to improve scalability, and Alchemist builds on that. So although there are new things in it, it wasn't built from scratch. #IAmIntel
@@somehow_not_helpfulATcrap fun facts both raja Koduri and sundar pichai ceo of Google both are allumini of Indian Institute of technology Kharagpur. Technologies and innovations developed by brilliant engineers of Indian Institute of technology generates more than one trillion dollars revenue every year spread across different technology companies..
@@silentassasin4202 only if we knew how bad the Alchemist GPU was You wouldn't be attributing that mess to the engineers from IIT Kharagpur either right?
Thanks for the video and shout out to Raja for taking the time to chat, very good for the gamer community to hear from a real person like there is some connection there ,cool.
What a great interview! Glad you got the man himself in the channel, I wished he talked a bit more about their GPUs stuff but it's obvious he couldn't say much on that front haha Still, what he was able to say was pretty damn interesting as well, the more I learn about current technologies being developed the more I realize how big of a leap these last few years have been and I can't be more exited for it
Dear techtechpotato, Thank you for the great videos and your commitment to the community. The amount of time and effort that you put in is priceless to the rest of us that do not have the time or resources to get the information that we want/need.
This one jumps my watch later, while my poor old GPU is training some shadercode. Ambitions is great and I hope there are some returns for end users. Going beyond current ideas this bold, means they have some technologies which are well ahead of what we do have today.
The way he describes reaching "Zettascale" computing is kinda like how Elon describes Tesla production scaling and building Starship or how Project Drawdown lays out the scores of factors we need to decarbonize by 1,600 Gigatons of CO2 to prevent global warming from crossing 2-2.5°C.
Good interview, always fun to hear from Raja. Raja seems so positive all the time, relay makes me like him. Ps kind of sad now all web apps have the auto blur background feature, used to love to read book titles in the background to see what books people have been reading.
@@Swordhero111 Ah maybe, still want to know what books he keeps at hand. It's always interesting in interviews to help get a vision of the interviewee, some people will also plan in advance and place books to provide a image but that still is revealing of what they want to project.
raja Koduri and sundar pichai ceo of Google both are allumini of Indian Institute of technology Kharagpur. Technologies and innovations developed by brilliant engineers of Indian Institute of technology generates more than one trillion dollars revenue every year spread across different technology companies..
The line about Intel democratizing tech and making it available to all does not sound like the Intel I know, with the extreme segmentation and stratification of their product stack. But aside from that, fascinating talk. Very good deeper insights to follow on from the STH video.
Thanks Dr.Ian. Always interesting to hear a Systems Architech and High Level Engineer what envisions about upcoming technologies. Though at a Senior position at Intel, and he cannot share much but we can get a glimpse of whats on his mind about the way that chips will be handled. Until now we had too much integration and more power delivery goes into tighter spaces, this has to change through disaggregated systems. After Compute the power delivery system will follow.. more evenly spread and lower power electronic components and embedded in the power planes of the chips. So Power layering is the next wave.. towards resourcful management..
Metaverse is just buzzword BS. Metaverses as they have envisioned have existed for decades in the form of MMO’s with their own in game economy and societies and things having real world value. Or even better something like second life whose primary gameplay loop is everything these companies say they hope to do with the metaverse. Second life came out in 2003.
The difference is bringing it to the real world. "Metaverse" enable different people to have super different "side experiences" on the same reality. Based on who you follow, apps you subscribe to, etc, you will experience a completely different set of interactions and information (especially if AR is used) than people that do not use the same ecosystem. Second life et al were always an escape, an option, from reality, but even then the experience between different users was the same. You don't get to leave the real world. Online we already have this with bifurcated communities. Metaverse is just bringing that into real life.
@@gatocochino5594 yeah it is problematic. However this better explains why companies care about moving early. Metaverse alignment will become another belief axis like religion , political party, or local culture. This is very powerful for anyone who get started early. And it has massive network effects with high switching costs
Thanks Ian, very good talk. As far as Intel: same late and delayed and pushing everything out into the future. Where is SR, where is dGPU, 7nm etc. AMD is not suffering the same problem!
Intel is not going to ship a gaming GPU. AMD integrated graphics using half a decade old technology destroys Intel's integrated graphics. Obviously the Vega technology was a failure in graphics performance. Not sure why this guy is reverted as some sort of genius.
Zettascale targets remind me of Keller's messaging about continued scaling in process technology, or Elon expecting to have boots on Martian soil within a decade. It's probably helpful for engineers in the field to strive for what's just short of impossible, otherwise it risks becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy, but that doesn't necessarily mean you'd bet real money on actually hitting those targets.
Wow, Raja's webcam is crisp! It looks like one of those webcams in movies that look fake because the quality is too high and they are looking directly into the camera 😂😂
30:30 Aren't we always going to be limited by networking infrastructure though? Unless Intel is launching satellites or running copper cable from city to city, I don't see these ambitions being realized.
Hey Raja, I hope the new Intel GPUs software stack would allow me to "pip install tensorflow" and be happy, otherwise you know nothing about Accelerated High Performance Computing.
It'll just be used by govts, corporations and media for even more privacy-destroying, collectivist lunacy. I remember in the early days of VR the likes of Gibson helped pump the buzz with a lot of jargon and 'cool' sounding concepts (can't knock the guy, met him at a book signing and I loved his fiction), but really it was just emotive hopes which appealed to the rebellious young who disliked what felt like the tail end of a dirty, industrial, post-1970s/80s social landscape that for those of such demographics evoked nothing modern (as always, the young generally dislike anything they perceive as dated, something encourage even more by the media these days). VR was all the rage when I was doing my comp sci degree in the early 90s. Meanwhile, quietly, industry was just getting on with making use of the tech to solve real world problems in a practical manner, but that received far less attention. Today any mention of VR inevitably sparks conversations about gaming, but it's had serious industrial uses for decades: ua-cam.com/video/iFKccs6jNcA/v-deo.html The same is true once again. Try and pin down what people really mean by any of this and it just seems to be yet more hype, like it once was, about collaborative meetings, as if somehow pixels will help people make better decisions. No, employing people with the right skills, proper training and who know how to think, abstract and verbally communicate is what produces good decisions, not some fancy ass VR system. Yeesh, imagine how crazy it'll get when peoples' avatars get sucked into the idiocy of woke identities, whether one has to have a realistic representation in a virtual environment, etc. But frankly, who cares, all of this buzz when so many everyday, real-world problems are not tackled, ie. I just think it's a weird reality clash when there are those in the tech industry talking so passionately about such esoteric things (Musk & Mars dialing that far beyond 11) when at the same time IRL people are getting hammered by economic woes, social strife, govt tyranny, crime, conflict, pollution, etc. I don't see the point in grand scale tech ventures if we can't even get the basics right, especially when the evidence atm suggests that any such thing will just be used to erode even more the remaining liberties we have.
raja Koduri and sundar pichai ceo of Google both are allumini of Indian Institute of technology Kharagpur. Technologies and innovations developed by brilliant engineers of Indian Institute of technology generates more than one trillion dollars revenue every year spread across different technology companies..
Nice interview. No worthwhile data though. Just "vibes". These guys basically sign their life away when they start working at Intel If IP is off the table completely, then the whole interview is just "road map, technology, focus, process, next generation, products, package technology" and other empty words. I wish that they weren't so uptight about it. It's not like AMD is gonna come watch this interview and use some arbitrary info against them.
Alder lake was being designed as Ryzen first appeared, so 4 years. That being said, Intel's graphics software stack has been lacking in performance and features for a while. Check good old gamer. Little late. Might have to sell at a loss.
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Written Version: www.anandtech.com/show/17298/interview-with-intels-raja-koduri-zettascale-or-zettaflop-metaverse-what
[0:13] Intro
[0:52] Q1: What's under AXG
[1:57] Q2: Synergy between PSG and Networking
[2:45] Q3: Alchemist or Ponte Vecchio?
[3:30] Q4: Lots of Generations of GPUs
[5:07] Q5: Timeline of Discrete GPUs
[6:22] Q6: Zettascale = 1 ZF with 64-bit ?
[9:38] Q7: Work on Zettascale
[12:20] Q8: Double Precision v2
[13:50] Q9: Intel vs TOP500
[16:15] Q10: Intel vs Customers
[18:17] Q11: Aligning with Products
[20:05] Q12: 1000x Improvement
[21:38] Q13: Disaggregating these numbers
[25:32] Q14: OneAPI Uptake
[28:32] Q15: Intel's ramp into Metaverse
[33:25] Q16: Just another layer of VR?
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@@derhundchen I thought it was pinned! My mistake. Should be now :)
This dude actually brought the man himself 🤣🤣 Good job Ian
Thanks again Dr. Ian Cutress. Massive respect for Raja Koduri. He was given an ancient iGPU architecture at Intel and asked to create magic out of it to compete against the industry titans AMD & Nvidia. Though Intel Arc may not be competitive in its first iteration, I could understand the hard work done by Raja & Team to have come thus far.
I remember Iris Pro years ago and it was a good laptop iGPU. I didn't need it to play games, but for that time, it was just perfect for a laptop with a second monitor attached.
Plus AMD and Nvidia own so many graphics IP and patents, it would take a company of Intel's size to do something from almost scratch.
@@somehow_not_helpfulATcrap Gen12/Xe is an evolution of the Gen11 architecture (which, in turn, was an evolution of Gen9, etc.), with changes made to improve scalability, and Alchemist builds on that. So although there are new things in it, it wasn't built from scratch. #IAmIntel
@@somehow_not_helpfulATcrap fun facts both raja Koduri and sundar pichai ceo of Google both are allumini of Indian Institute of technology Kharagpur.
Technologies and innovations developed by brilliant engineers of Indian Institute of technology generates more than one trillion dollars revenue every year spread across different technology companies..
@@silentassasin4202 only if we knew how bad the Alchemist GPU was
You wouldn't be attributing that mess to the engineers from IIT Kharagpur either right?
Raja’s camera quality ❤️
Must be a DSLR or some fancy shmancy 2K-4K webcam 🤌👌
Good lenses matter but also bandwidth 🥰
Yeah, it's surprisingly good lol
Got to be Intel's proprietary HEVC encoding optimization right there :D
that's what Intel's money is doing
Excellent interview and your questions spot on and noteworthy of a high-end reporter! Way to go, looking forward to seeing you do more of these!
Thanks for the video and shout out to Raja for taking the time to chat, very good for the gamer community to hear from a real person like there is some connection there ,cool.
Lovely talk, cristal clear answers from raja and great questions from ian.
What a great interview! Glad you got the man himself in the channel, I wished he talked a bit more about their GPUs stuff but it's obvious he couldn't say much on that front haha
Still, what he was able to say was pretty damn interesting as well, the more I learn about current technologies being developed the more I realize how big of a leap these last few years have been and I can't be more exited for it
The 1st thing I want to say about this channel is,
*THIS CHANNEL IS UNDERRATED*
Great read and even better listen. Awesome interview.
This is the best quality video of a video call I ever seen! I'd watch a whole show with hat quality!
Just WOW.
He's using an Alchemist GPU as he does this interview... I can sense it 👀
The Force is strong in this one.
GOD DAUMM you got raja himself , I didn't believe it at first.
Awesome job Ian !! Would have loved it to go on for longer, lol !!
Holy crap! RAJA!!!!!
Dear techtechpotato,
Thank you for the great videos and your commitment to the community. The amount of time and effort that you put in is priceless to the rest of us that do not have the time or resources to get the information that we want/need.
Nice, bro. It was fun, interesting and exciting for the future.
This one jumps my watch later, while my poor old GPU is training some shadercode.
Ambitions is great and I hope there are some returns for end users. Going beyond current ideas this bold, means they have some technologies which are well ahead of what we do have today.
The way he describes reaching "Zettascale" computing is kinda like how Elon describes Tesla production scaling and building Starship or how Project Drawdown lays out the scores of factors we need to decarbonize by 1,600 Gigatons of CO2 to prevent global warming from crossing 2-2.5°C.
Good interview, always fun to hear from Raja. Raja seems so positive all the time, relay makes me like him.
Ps kind of sad now all web apps have the auto blur background feature, used to love to read book titles in the background to see what books people have been reading.
Might just be a real DSLR too
@@Swordhero111 Ah maybe, still want to know what books he keeps at hand.
It's always interesting in interviews to help get a vision of the interviewee, some people will also plan in advance and place books to provide a image but that still is revealing of what they want to project.
raja Koduri and sundar pichai ceo of Google both are allumini of Indian Institute of technology Kharagpur.
Technologies and innovations developed by brilliant engineers of Indian Institute of technology generates more than one trillion dollars revenue every year spread across different technology companies..
The line about Intel democratizing tech and making it available to all does not sound like the Intel I know, with the extreme segmentation and stratification of their product stack.
But aside from that, fascinating talk. Very good deeper insights to follow on from the STH video.
Great interview, very informative
Ian is a savage for asking about "fav child"
How is Raja's picture-in-picture at a higher quality than Ian's main video?!
same thought man
Thanks Dr.Ian.
Always interesting to hear a Systems Architech and High Level Engineer what envisions about upcoming technologies.
Though at a Senior position at Intel, and he cannot share much but we can get a glimpse of whats on his mind about the way that chips will be handled.
Until now we had too much integration and more power delivery goes into tighter spaces, this has to change through disaggregated systems.
After Compute the power delivery system will follow.. more evenly spread and lower power electronic components and embedded in the power planes of the chips. So Power layering is the next wave.. towards resourcful management..
Metaverse is just buzzword BS. Metaverses as they have envisioned have existed for decades in the form of MMO’s with their own in game economy and societies and things having real world value. Or even better something like second life whose primary gameplay loop is everything these companies say they hope to do with the metaverse. Second life came out in 2003.
The difference is bringing it to the real world. "Metaverse" enable different people to have super different "side experiences" on the same reality. Based on who you follow, apps you subscribe to, etc, you will experience a completely different set of interactions and information (especially if AR is used) than people that do not use the same ecosystem. Second life et al were always an escape, an option, from reality, but even then the experience between different users was the same. You don't get to leave the real world. Online we already have this with bifurcated communities. Metaverse is just bringing that into real life.
@@henryzhang7873 That sounds horrible.
@@gatocochino5594 yeah it is problematic. However this better explains why companies care about moving early. Metaverse alignment will become another belief axis like religion , political party, or local culture. This is very powerful for anyone who get started early. And it has massive network effects with high switching costs
About time, finally Raja Kadouri!
Would be interesting to know what webcam Raja Koduri is using. since the quality is soooo goood :)
Thanks Ian, very good talk. As far as Intel: same late and delayed and pushing everything out into the future. Where is SR, where is dGPU, 7nm etc. AMD is not suffering the same problem!
Intel is not going to ship a gaming GPU. AMD integrated graphics using half a decade old technology destroys Intel's integrated graphics. Obviously the Vega technology was a failure in graphics performance. Not sure why this guy is reverted as some sort of genius.
@@allanwilmath8226 this will age poorly
AMD use TSMC node just like Apple, Qualcomm, Mediatek etc. Intel make chip for themself.
Up the video quality to 4K60fps!
Zettascale targets remind me of Keller's messaging about continued scaling in process technology, or Elon expecting to have boots on Martian soil within a decade. It's probably helpful for engineers in the field to strive for what's just short of impossible, otherwise it risks becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy, but that doesn't necessarily mean you'd bet real money on actually hitting those targets.
I find acceleration and accelerators fascinating. Like just the breadth and range of what's possible.
When was this recorded?
Before Intel's Investor Meeting; there's been a bit of a delay in getting it out due to me leaving AnandTech etc.
@@TechTechPotato Almost 3 weeks ago.......that explains why he said Q1 for Alchemist 😅👍
Maybe I'll pick one up used a year from now.
@@TechTechPotato YOU LEFT ANANDTECH???? WHY
Wow, Raja's webcam is crisp! It looks like one of those webcams in movies that look fake because the quality is too high and they are looking directly into the camera 😂😂
Question for Raja: Why was Volta “poor”? :P
🤣
L🤭L Because after buying it, you were Poorer! 😂
Guruji Raja! Namaskar!
At least Atto joule per flop required for zeta scale. What is the power budget for such a system?
1 gigawatt.
Dammmmm ... HUGE ONE !
Kudos to Koduri
i see what you did there 😀
what's the difference between oneAPI, Cuda, versus stuff like Vulkan, DirectX, OpenGL, I don't understand it very correctly
First. Also: the correct answer is "I love both of my children equally."
always a lie
Gordon inserts quarter: Player two has entered the chat.
I thought Ian was holding a donut for a second
“Exascale is the culmination of a decade+ long work” - So basically like the Intel quad core SKUs?
Ooooh spicy
I'm super surprised that he and I earned our bachelor's degree in the same college.
30:30 Aren't we always going to be limited by networking infrastructure though? Unless Intel is launching satellites or running copper cable from city to city, I don't see these ambitions being realized.
Why is tech twice?
when the guest has better camera than the host
Training in realtime? Does that not to do more with feeding those systems massive data sets instead of zettascale massive compute.
Alright next is Lisa Su
Its all memory / CPU / GPU all being close... The work unit being close. Running data back and forth over bus's is slow and power consuming
Hey Raja, I hope the new Intel GPUs software stack would allow me to "pip install tensorflow" and be happy, otherwise you know nothing about Accelerated High Performance Computing.
Bring in folks from Apple too please!
They may not speak, secrecy runs very deep
Yeah, Apple techies are publicity castrated!. A real shame for the industry.
You will be surrounded by...-You mean trapped? I am nor sure i like his "Vision of the Metaverse"
It'll just be used by govts, corporations and media for even more privacy-destroying, collectivist lunacy. I remember in the early days of VR the likes of Gibson helped pump the buzz with a lot of jargon and 'cool' sounding concepts (can't knock the guy, met him at a book signing and I loved his fiction), but really it was just emotive hopes which appealed to the rebellious young who disliked what felt like the tail end of a dirty, industrial, post-1970s/80s social landscape that for those of such demographics evoked nothing modern (as always, the young generally dislike anything they perceive as dated, something encourage even more by the media these days). VR was all the rage when I was doing my comp sci degree in the early 90s. Meanwhile, quietly, industry was just getting on with making use of the tech to solve real world problems in a practical manner, but that received far less attention. Today any mention of VR inevitably sparks conversations about gaming, but it's had serious industrial uses for decades:
ua-cam.com/video/iFKccs6jNcA/v-deo.html
The same is true once again. Try and pin down what people really mean by any of this and it just seems to be yet more hype, like it once was, about collaborative meetings, as if somehow pixels will help people make better decisions. No, employing people with the right skills, proper training and who know how to think, abstract and verbally communicate is what produces good decisions, not some fancy ass VR system. Yeesh, imagine how crazy it'll get when peoples' avatars get sucked into the idiocy of woke identities, whether one has to have a realistic representation in a virtual environment, etc. But frankly, who cares, all of this buzz when so many everyday, real-world problems are not tackled, ie. I just think it's a weird reality clash when there are those in the tech industry talking so passionately about such esoteric things (Musk & Mars dialing that far beyond 11) when at the same time IRL people are getting hammered by economic woes, social strife, govt tyranny, crime, conflict, pollution, etc. I don't see the point in grand scale tech ventures if we can't even get the basics right, especially when the evidence atm suggests that any such thing will just be used to erode even more the remaining liberties we have.
raja Koduri and sundar pichai ceo of Google both are allumini of Indian Institute of technology Kharagpur.
Technologies and innovations developed by brilliant engineers of Indian Institute of technology generates more than one trillion dollars revenue every year spread across different technology companies..
mr vega
Nice interview. No worthwhile data though. Just "vibes". These guys basically sign their life away when they start working at Intel
If IP is off the table completely, then the whole interview is just "road map, technology, focus, process, next generation, products, package technology" and other empty words.
I wish that they weren't so uptight about it. It's not like AMD is gonna come watch this interview and use some arbitrary info against them.
.....I wonder if raja knows about vr chat
Tong seng yeah fai chengs
C and X are the best
We don't need interviews we need product delivery (gpus).
who is ur fav child? Narendra ji or Rahul ji :)
I think he’s gonna get fired. 4-5 years at Intel and nothing has been launched under him. All his answers were vague.
It just takes that long to develop and launch any new architecture this is standard from my understanding
Developing a new architecture isn't an easy late-night project
And look at Navi.
Alder lake was being designed as Ryzen first appeared, so 4 years.
That being said, Intel's graphics software stack has been lacking in performance and features for a while. Check good old gamer.
Little late. Might have to sell at a loss.
Sorry but not interested in Raja...maybe more AMD folks...
Sorry sir