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I agree that most "patina" in watches is damage that people try to romanticize. However, I don't think that most Faux Patina tries to mimic damage, if it did, it would not be attractive at all. In that sense, I think that the Longines that tries to replicate a damaged dial is really more miss than hit. The faux patina lume is fine IMHO. To me it is more of a different colour scheme or accent than an actual recreation of patina. Brown/beige lume looks nice.
Regarding colored lume : what is hillarious is how just about the whole world claims a new watch with non-white lume has 'faux' patina. These vintage watches did not start their lives with white lume. Modern watches (since the start of superluminova) have it mostly wrong.There are enough vintage adverts and historic pictures, all in color, that clearly show that a lot of vintage watches began their lives with the same / similar colors to what people now call 'faux'. A lot of NOS tritium safe queens have not changed in color. And knowing that the dial makers for these watches (the dial makers are the guys who also lumed the dials) made dials for other (often competing) brands too, no doubt using the exact same materials...means it spans brands. To call something 'faux patina' requires putting a reissued watch into historical context...which was never necessarily white to begin with.
I think we have seen the decade of fauxtina and we are at the end of it. It was a real crime and im happy to see it go. I would compare it to the Victorians who reproduced medival weaponry for their dining room walls which would not have been able to withstand a single fight. It was a crappy idea to start with and did not survive the Victorian age.
I think faux patina indices are ok and I view them as just another color choice, which can make the watch more interesting, yes, vintage looking but it can also allow for better strap pairing.
It's a romantic thought, the only problem being that modern lume will not patina with age. See fratellowatches article 'Will Super-LumiNova Discolor When It Ages?'
Thanks as always for the comment, man. I'm riding the fence... the Faux aesthetic can be really cool on some watches (cheaper pieces) but when they get ludicrously priced, that's when you start questioning things haha!
It's a very good video and it allows me to think about more sides of the situation than two. The new 321 is the only watch with faux patina that rubs me the wrong way. After thousands of dollars you're still not getting that "brand new watch" experience. Thanks for the video! Good luck on your watch journey!
I don't think the lume used on the new speedmaster 321 ed white should be described as 'faux patina'. The original tritium lume of the 1960s/70s had a creamy/beige colour on application. Hence the 2020 re-edition remains true to the original colour temperature, albeit using super-luminova. Considering that super-luminova does not patina, I think omega was right to match the original lume colour
Nicely said Obwat. I think some watches do work well with the effect (and since this does mirror the original Ed White, more power to them) But some watches are overdoing it excessively (the new Bond Seamaster is just Patina on top of Patina haha!)
I love the aesthetic look of patina (aging). The mould effects on lume ranging from fading to spider web cracking can have such nice character. Some faded bezels can also look great. I enjoy the Fauxtina look that has been popularised over recent years. Although, I find that some models have a colour tone that is a bit too deep, looking unrealistic and a bit off putting. Yet another great video here brother. ✊
Personally, I liken a new watch with faux patina similar to an artist beginning a painting with less than a blank canvas. I want my watch to age as I age. In 20-30 years I want my watch to reflect my experiences and my handiwork, not someone else’s. That is the beauty and art of a watch with authentic patina.
The jeans analogy is accurate. As Levis replicates wear on new jeans to meet customer demands so the current trend in watches is met by watch brands. However, it is only a sub-trend of the reissued old models. Therefore, modern durable materials which don't gain patina in modern models should see off this trend in higher end brands. Homage brands will hang on for longer into the new decade. Personally, a reissue at multiples of the original price is the worst kind of homage (Seiko I'm talking to you here). Better a good homage at a price matched to the original (6105 for eg). Excellent vid as always.
Another wonderful video. I’m not a huge fan of Fauxtina in general, but in certain situations it can look good. It really depends on the watch. Great job as usual IDGuy.
Patina, by definition, is damage, and I therefore don’t think obvious patina (such as the paint flecked dial on that Longines) has a place in watches. Also, “pre-patinaing” a watch is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen. That said, “fauxtina” lume gets more way more hate than it deserves. In the same way that brown dials have become popular because, thanks to faded tropical dials, people realised they liked to aesthetic of brown dials. Likewise, we should stop considering coloured lume as “fauxtina”, and instead consider it for what it is; simply a different colour of lume. Many like the aesthetic of custard coloured lume instead of the standard stark white, so there should be nothing wrong with using it. Also, your example of denim jeans isn’t exactly accurate anymore. Modern modern watches can’t patina to nearly the same level that older watches did; ceramic bezels can’t fade or scuff, modern lume doesn’t fade anymore (making true patina lume impossible), and most dials are much more resistant to fading. If you like the look of patina on watch, you can’t just buy one and wait anymore.
I agree man. With these new elements we would not or may never say that aging like we see on vintage pieces. Superluminova may not age as tritium lumes involving the dial with it.
5:05 Just a tip for all the people who want there Levi's to have that nice aged look, you can't wash them for the first 6 months. This will the the jeans to develop that faded wrinkled look and there will be no jeans like them.
I don't hate it as a lot of people do,but I think the unfortunate consequence is these original radium/tritium pieces become a little less special/unique and a conversation piece when people see them, for alot of casual folk they now look the same as what's on the shelf and I find that a slight shame.
The favourite watch in my collection is my IWC Mark XVI. It is the epitome of what a black and white watch should be. However that stark contrast can almost be harsh. Duh, it is a pilot's watch after all. If the indeces were a creamier colour, it would be more mellow to the eye. And that's just it, faux-patina is okay when it is simply another color. It seems insane to stigmatize a colour option when the colour is desirable.
Here’s the way I treat a watch with a prefaded bezel and obvious faux patina: Like a trendy outfit, don’t spend a king’s ransom for it. I have a feeling that faux patina will go the way of preripped black ribbed skinny jeans, and fall out of fashion within the next few years. The difference between mechanical watches and a fast fashion outfit is the former is made to last, whereas the latter isn’t. Buying a mechanical watch with trendy aesthetics feels like you’re undervaluing its longevity, and if it’s an extremely expensive watch, then you’re basically spending Saville Row suit money for a trendy suit with a short fashion lifespan. If I wanted Faux Patina and a prefaded bezel, then I would spend Timex Q, Invicta or Vincero money for it, not multiples of thousands. Rolex watches have great resale value for a number of reasons, and one of them is the trend-resisting longevity of their designs. You could buy a Submariner in 2000, and its design will still look just as fresh 20 years to this day. Great analysis, IDGUY.
I personally love a watch that has real patina on the Lume specifically, but has nobody been able to come up with a non radioactive Lume that can patina over time? 🧐🧐🧐
I dont really agree. Only because there is quartz and digital watches, that doesnt mean the mechanical watch is just a nod to the past. Mechanical watches have a few upsides to the more accurate electronic brethren. During nuclear fallout or other emp shocks, the mechanical watch still runs. Small advantage, granted, but it sure has that.
I think it does have its place with some models (entry level pieces and models priced well) Sometimes the effect can be seriously overblown when five figures are asked ;) Thanks for the comment Buon Co.!
My only question is: how this faul patina dial will turn on with aging? I guess we will have to wait for the outcome. But it will help which watch introduced this technique of aged looking and in which year.
I've been thinking about watch age (would like to do a video about it) but I have this strong feeling in my gut that the elements will not age. Somehow I see these new luminova's to be impervious to most effects (maybe I'm wrong?) Thanks for the comment Imran!
IMO any lume should also glow in the same colour it is painted. It’s frankly quite weird to see yellow, brown or white looking indices and hands, when they suddenly start glowing green when the lights go out
I don't mind the "old radium" style lume. I don't see it as faux patina, but as an interesting, beautifully warm-ish colour. Heck, I just bought a watch that has it. However: I wouldn't have bought the watch if it had still also come with a faded/greyish-black dial. I had one of those (Steinhart Vintage/Rolex Big Crown homage) in my hand and the combination of the patina-lume and the "faded" dial was just too much and felt ... forced (for lack of a better word). The watch itself is beautiful and I would've bought it over the OVM - if it had come with a black dial. What's even worse are those watches that are scratched or even dirtied up and put on manky-looking leather straps at the factory (the Laco Erbstück-line comes to mind). Ugh! The way I see it, it's a bit like with denim/jeans. A bit of ageing can look very good and compliment the jeans (bit of pre-washing or very light stone-washing) ... but once they overdo the colour-fade or start putting cuts/rips into a brand new piece of clothing, that's when they lose me. After all: I want to be the one who puts those little imperfections on the object through regular use/wear. EDIT: I really shouldn't comment before watching the video all the way through. If I had, I would've come up with a different analogy than the denim-one ;)
It's like stealing life from the dial , not allowing it to grow old and patina with the owner of the watch , the word faux does not belong in the watch world.
I think it’s rare that patina actually looks as good as most vintage dealers say it does I do think patina has a certain charm but more often than not it just looks…rather unassuming.
Faux patina makes them more interesting. For the purists who don't like faux patina, Watches shouldn't even be mechanical anymore, But it makes them amazing.
@@ID-Guy sounds like they are trying too hard to be vintage when the watch looks modern . It would be better if they just add new classification of lume color
Seeing these vintage-looking watches popping up in the high end to lower-cost microbrands. Collectors will want real patina dials in the watch and not faked or replicated.
I personally can’t stand faux patina. It cheapens the design by artificially replicating a natural phenomenon that the owner rightfully earns after years of ownership. I’m also not a fan of the aged look but that’s more of my taste than anything.
Very nicely said, man. There is something about how a watch naturally fades over time (Like the jeans analogy) It feels weird seeing them artificially aged. Maybe I'm biased, but I do like the effect on some models... lots of other brands seem to be blowing the aesthetic out of proportion
IDGuy I think it honestly all started with the Black Bay, which while being a nearly perfect watch, made everyone imitate it to death with the vintage reissues and faux aged nonsense. It’s become an incredibly safe and boring piece now because of it!
Authenticity is important to me. I like for a thing to look like what it actually is. I can’t wait for this faux patina trend to die and for everyone else to see how stupid it looks.
Faux patina is tacky and in my opinion a trend that won’t age well. Look at the new speedmaster 821...omega turned a watch that could have been a true serious competitor to the Daytona, bringing heritage to the future of the model.... and instead made it a caricature of a watch made decades ago. It’s unnecessary. The romance of patina lies in the life the watch has lived. Imitating it is not stylish, it’s pretending. Patina is vintage style. Faux patina is fad of imitation.
Faux patina for the faux people. And by the way, why on earth would you want a "vintage" (read: old) watch with a &'history' that is not yours?! Get it new, or slightly used if you get a deal, and make up your own history with the watch. That's the beauty
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IMO patina is a euphemistic word used by vintage watch dealers to inflate the price of old damaged watches!
Krist Johnson I’m from the coin collecting hobby and they call it toning and tarnish.
Patina = unserviced watches.
I agree that most "patina" in watches is damage that people try to romanticize. However, I don't think that most Faux Patina tries to mimic damage, if it did, it would not be attractive at all. In that sense, I think that the Longines that tries to replicate a damaged dial is really more miss than hit. The faux patina lume is fine IMHO. To me it is more of a different colour scheme or accent than an actual recreation of patina. Brown/beige lume looks nice.
Regarding colored lume : what is hillarious is how just about the whole world claims a new watch with non-white lume has 'faux' patina. These vintage watches did not start their lives with white lume. Modern watches (since the start of superluminova) have it mostly wrong.There are enough vintage adverts and historic pictures, all in color, that clearly show that a lot of vintage watches began their lives with the same / similar colors to what people now call 'faux'. A lot of NOS tritium safe queens have not changed in color. And knowing that the dial makers for these watches (the dial makers are the guys who also lumed the dials) made dials for other (often competing) brands too, no doubt using the exact same materials...means it spans brands. To call something 'faux patina' requires putting a reissued watch into historical context...which was never necessarily white to begin with.
Snow Rabbit Exactly! Back in the day lume was never white
I think we have seen the decade of fauxtina and we are at the end of it. It was a real crime and im happy to see it go. I would compare it to the Victorians who reproduced medival weaponry for their dining room walls which would not have been able to withstand a single fight. It was a crappy idea to start with and did not survive the Victorian age.
I think faux patina indices are ok and I view them as just another color choice, which can make the watch more interesting, yes, vintage looking but it can also allow for better strap pairing.
Patina should be a natural occurrence over time. I’m not a fan of faux patina. Good video my friend 👍🏼
It's a romantic thought, the only problem being that modern lume will not patina with age. See fratellowatches article 'Will Super-LumiNova Discolor When It Ages?'
Thanks as always for the comment, man. I'm riding the fence... the Faux aesthetic can be really cool on some watches (cheaper pieces) but when they get ludicrously priced, that's when you start questioning things haha!
The problem with faux patina is it renders any watch a pretender, trying to be something it’s not. If you want vintage, buy vintage.
A watch showing extensive wear or damage should be repaired or replaced. I don't drive a rusty car, l don't wear a corroded watch. Cheers
Very nicely said Derek. You always manage to bring in something unique to the conversation. Thanks as always for your comments!
It's a very good video and it allows me to think about more sides of the situation than two.
The new 321 is the only watch with faux patina that rubs me the wrong way. After thousands of dollars you're still not getting that "brand new watch" experience.
Thanks for the video!
Good luck on your watch journey!
I don't think the lume used on the new speedmaster 321 ed white should be described as 'faux patina'. The original tritium lume of the 1960s/70s had a creamy/beige colour on application. Hence the 2020 re-edition remains true to the original colour temperature, albeit using super-luminova. Considering that super-luminova does not patina, I think omega was right to match the original lume colour
Nicely said Obwat. I think some watches do work well with the effect (and since this does mirror the original Ed White, more power to them) But some watches are overdoing it excessively (the new Bond Seamaster is just Patina on top of Patina haha!)
I love the aesthetic look of patina (aging). The mould effects on lume ranging from fading to spider web cracking can have such nice character. Some faded bezels can also look great.
I enjoy the Fauxtina look that has been popularised over recent years. Although, I find that some models have a colour tone that is a bit too deep, looking unrealistic and a bit off putting.
Yet another great video here brother. ✊
People tend to romanticise everything from love to getting old. So I like your prosa.
Love fauxtina on lume, but not a fan of tropical dials. Interesting subject as always. Cheers 👍🏻👍🏻
Personally, I liken a new watch with faux patina similar to an artist beginning a painting with less than a blank canvas. I want my watch to age as I age. In 20-30 years I want my watch to reflect my experiences and my handiwork, not someone else’s. That is the beauty and art of a watch with authentic patina.
The jeans analogy is accurate. As Levis replicates wear on new jeans to meet customer demands so the current trend in watches is met by watch brands. However, it is only a sub-trend of the reissued old models. Therefore, modern durable materials which don't gain patina in modern models should see off this trend in higher end brands. Homage brands will hang on for longer into the new decade.
Personally, a reissue at multiples of the original price is the worst kind of homage (Seiko I'm talking to you here). Better a good homage at a price matched to the original (6105 for eg).
Excellent vid as always.
Another wonderful video. I’m not a huge fan of Fauxtina in general, but in certain situations it can look good. It really depends on the watch. Great job as usual IDGuy.
Patina, by definition, is damage, and I therefore don’t think obvious patina (such as the paint flecked dial on that Longines) has a place in watches. Also, “pre-patinaing” a watch is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen.
That said, “fauxtina” lume gets more way more hate than it deserves. In the same way that brown dials have become popular because, thanks to faded tropical dials, people realised they liked to aesthetic of brown dials. Likewise, we should stop considering coloured lume as “fauxtina”, and instead consider it for what it is; simply a different colour of lume. Many like the aesthetic of custard coloured lume instead of the standard stark white, so there should be nothing wrong with using it.
Also, your example of denim jeans isn’t exactly accurate anymore. Modern modern watches can’t patina to nearly the same level that older watches did; ceramic bezels can’t fade or scuff, modern lume doesn’t fade anymore (making true patina lume impossible), and most dials are much more resistant to fading. If you like the look of patina on watch, you can’t just buy one and wait anymore.
I agree man. With these new elements we would not or may never say that aging like we see on vintage pieces. Superluminova may not age as tritium lumes involving the dial with it.
Why do people freak out over off-white lume plots? It’s just a colour
I have the Longines heritage 1938 it has faux patina but not the most faux patina I’ve ever seen on a watch it’s a stunning piece
5:05 Just a tip for all the people who want there Levi's to have that nice aged look, you can't wash them for the first 6 months. This will the the jeans to develop that faded wrinkled look and there will be no jeans like them.
I don't hate it as a lot of people do,but I think the unfortunate consequence is these original radium/tritium pieces become a little less special/unique and a conversation piece when people see them, for alot of casual folk they now look the same as what's on the shelf and I find that a slight shame.
The question is, does Faux Patina - Patina 🤔 😁
Mark P Sounds like a question about whether Faux Patina counts as skeuomorphism.
Chi-Town California What a great point and word - have to admit I had to look that one up 😁
Mark P Yes but you can’t see it?🤷🏻♂️
Yes, back to white which will be the patina of the future.
Tetlee 😂👍
0:45 I like the Longines Heritage 1938, simple and clean design, true to the original, ... really nice.
It's a stellar looking piece. Without question, Longines makes some of the coolest Heritage pieces around!
The favourite watch in my collection is my IWC Mark XVI. It is the epitome of what a black and white watch should be. However that stark contrast can almost be harsh. Duh, it is a pilot's watch after all. If the indeces were a creamier colour, it would be more mellow to the eye. And that's just it, faux-patina is okay when it is simply another color. It seems insane to stigmatize a colour option when the colour is desirable.
Trev Barlow great shout! One of my grail pieces; the IWC MARK XVI. ITS PERFECT in my humble opinion.
I actually like patinas done in Hamilton pieces. However, people don't seem to like them.
What rock have you been under dude? Panerai was the faux patina innovator for years.
That's my bad hahaha! Also there was mention that JLC uses the effect as well... It's just everywhere.
Here’s the way I treat a watch with a prefaded bezel and obvious faux patina: Like a trendy outfit, don’t spend a king’s ransom for it. I have a feeling that faux patina will go the way of preripped black ribbed skinny jeans, and fall out of fashion within the next few years. The difference between mechanical watches and a fast fashion outfit is the former is made to last, whereas the latter isn’t. Buying a mechanical watch with trendy aesthetics feels like you’re undervaluing its longevity, and if it’s an extremely expensive watch, then you’re basically spending Saville Row suit money for a trendy suit with a short fashion lifespan. If I wanted Faux Patina and a prefaded bezel, then I would spend Timex Q, Invicta or Vincero money for it, not multiples of thousands. Rolex watches have great resale value for a number of reasons, and one of them is the trend-resisting longevity of their designs. You could buy a Submariner in 2000, and its design will still look just as fresh 20 years to this day. Great analysis, IDGUY.
I personally love a watch that has real patina on the Lume specifically, but has nobody been able to come up with a non radioactive Lume that can patina over time? 🧐🧐🧐
It'd be so fun to see the process of lume getting patina! And without safety hazard would be great yes lmao
The issue is arbitrary. A modern mechanical watch is, in its entirety and by definition, a faux patina: a newly manufactured antique.
I dont really agree. Only because there is quartz and digital watches, that doesnt mean the mechanical watch is just a nod to the past. Mechanical watches have a few upsides to the more accurate electronic brethren. During nuclear fallout or other emp shocks, the mechanical watch still runs. Small advantage, granted, but it sure has that.
I love faux patina
I think it does have its place with some models (entry level pieces and models priced well) Sometimes the effect can be seriously overblown when five figures are asked ;) Thanks for the comment Buon Co.!
My only question is: how this faul patina dial will turn on with aging? I guess we will have to wait for the outcome. But it will help which watch introduced this technique of aged looking and in which year.
Imran Chowdhury modern lume does not age, it keep keeps it’s original color. That’s why they make these patina pieces.
I've been thinking about watch age (would like to do a video about it) but I have this strong feeling in my gut that the elements will not age. Somehow I see these new luminova's to be impervious to most effects (maybe I'm wrong?) Thanks for the comment Imran!
IMO any lume should also glow in the same colour it is painted. It’s frankly quite weird to see yellow, brown or white looking indices and hands, when they suddenly start glowing green when the lights go out
Why is it OK for watch with patina to sell for big money 💰?? My 12 year old car 🚙 has patina!
Great analysis- Although I'm not against faux patina, I do think this trend won't age well... Pardon the pun. Cheers
I don't mind the "old radium" style lume. I don't see it as faux patina, but as an interesting, beautifully warm-ish colour. Heck, I just bought a watch that has it. However: I wouldn't have bought the watch if it had still also come with a faded/greyish-black dial. I had one of those (Steinhart Vintage/Rolex Big Crown homage) in my hand and the combination of the patina-lume and the "faded" dial was just too much and felt ... forced (for lack of a better word). The watch itself is beautiful and I would've bought it over the OVM - if it had come with a black dial.
What's even worse are those watches that are scratched or even dirtied up and put on manky-looking leather straps at the factory (the Laco Erbstück-line comes to mind). Ugh!
The way I see it, it's a bit like with denim/jeans. A bit of ageing can look very good and compliment the jeans (bit of pre-washing or very light stone-washing) ... but once they overdo the colour-fade or start putting cuts/rips into a brand new piece of clothing, that's when they lose me. After all: I want to be the one who puts those little imperfections on the object through regular use/wear.
EDIT: I really shouldn't comment before watching the video all the way through. If I had, I would've come up with a different analogy than the denim-one ;)
Rust
Phauxtina
Even JLC uses faux patina, i think this trend will not last
Oh wow yes! With their Tribute pieces (like Deepsea alarms etc) wow... it's crazy how so many brands adopted the aesthetic...
It's like stealing life from the dial , not allowing it to grow old and patina with the owner of the watch , the word faux does not belong in the watch world.
Rob Smith Faux Rolex with genuine patina☺️
Once a watch begins to show damage the damaged parts should be replaced.
A watch is not a living being. Take a step back and lay off the coffee for a bit.
It's definitely adds an aesthetic quality, but on a super, super expensive watch... it just seems odd. Thanks for the comment as always Rob!
I think it’s rare that patina actually looks as good as most vintage dealers say it does I do think patina has a certain charm but more often than not it just looks…rather unassuming.
Faux patina makes them more interesting.
For the purists who don't like faux patina,
Watches shouldn't even be mechanical anymore,
But it makes them amazing.
Surface oxidation of a substance or material . They should have called it cream/beige or salmon lume would have sounded better.
I really like the Beige Lume idea... that sounds very appealing. Faux Patina sounds strange, right?
@@ID-Guy sounds like they are trying too hard to be vintage when the watch looks modern . It would be better if they just add new classification of lume color
It's all magical thinking anyway....
What's real...
What's not....
Ultimately it all comes from the ground
I'm afraid to buy the omega seamaster 300 master co-axial bond watch bc I feel like faux patina could be like the two tone watches of the 90s.
Aka, a trend
Who would want any of that OLD wine, anyway?
I think faux patina is a total buzzkill.
Seeing these vintage-looking watches popping up in the high end to lower-cost microbrands. Collectors will want real patina dials in the watch and not faked or replicated.
"Fotina" or "Fauxtina"
Foe-Tina ;) The word that's thrown around is "Fauxtina" more often than not (it looks kinda cool)
I personally can’t stand faux patina. It cheapens the design by artificially replicating a natural phenomenon that the owner rightfully earns after years of ownership. I’m also not a fan of the aged look but that’s more of my taste than anything.
Very nicely said, man. There is something about how a watch naturally fades over time (Like the jeans analogy) It feels weird seeing them artificially aged. Maybe I'm biased, but I do like the effect on some models... lots of other brands seem to be blowing the aesthetic out of proportion
IDGuy I think it honestly all started with the Black Bay, which while being a nearly perfect watch, made everyone imitate it to death with the vintage reissues and faux aged nonsense. It’s become an incredibly safe and boring piece now because of it!
Fauxtina on a brand new case and bracelet, no matter how retro the design, just looks ridiculous imho
Authenticity is important to me. I like for a thing to look like what it actually is. I can’t wait for this faux patina trend to die and for everyone else to see how stupid it looks.
I don't like the sound of the word itself..'patina ' . Otherwise it's a matter of taste I guess. Not really my cup of tea.
Faux patina is tacky and in my opinion a trend that won’t age well. Look at the new speedmaster 821...omega turned a watch that could have been a true serious competitor to the Daytona, bringing heritage to the future of the model.... and instead made it a caricature of a watch made decades ago. It’s unnecessary. The romance of patina lies in the life the watch has lived. Imitating it is not stylish, it’s pretending. Patina is vintage style. Faux patina is fad of imitation.
Faux patina for the faux people.
And by the way, why on earth would you want a "vintage" (read: old) watch with a &'history' that is not yours?! Get it new, or slightly used if you get a deal, and make up your own history with the watch. That's the beauty
Dreadful fashion statement. Real patinia or nothing . For faux read stonewashed jeans
I have Longines Military. I know, straight up badass right.