Cobb's OTS tune is the safest thing next to the stock map. I know people hate the stock map but there is a reason why the FA20 pulls timing with a slight heat soak. Cobb's tune mimics the safety net of the oe tune as per Cobb's engineer, find the video on UA-cam. Once you drop the knock sensitivity parameters, that's what your Protuner will do, you are pushing the limits of what the engine was designed to do. But that's is not to say that you can't run a protune for tens of thousands of miles, it's just that shit will go really wrong when parts start going wrong.
I mean I’ve been running stage 1+ for 100,000km with 0 issues and I’m sitting at 200,000 right now on a 2016 wrx so I’d say it’s a safe tune...as long as you stick with what’s prescribed by the tune as far as only using Cobb parts etc...
That's what everyone doesn't understand... Run the Cobb parts specified under the map notes and you should be fine. However all cars are different and some might not run any better on the Cobb ots tune than they would on the stock Subaru tune.
Exactly - if you dont do bolt-ons, but just a CAI or similar, or just want better drive ability - OTS is fine. It’s when you go to downpipes, etc., then it might matter. They critics of OTS say that all cars are different, etc….true, but the factory has one factory tune - so…………endless debate ….. i have a MAP stage one, and it’;s fine. No other major mods. It is a lot better than the OEM tune and i like the car the way it is.
13 wrx OTS Stage 2 Cobb for 3 years been fine, Cobb intake, axelback exhaust, perrin blow off valve (set to recirculate not vent to air), and high flow cat mid pipe now im scared to get Protuned
I appreciate the WRX content. But do you think Subaru does a separate tune for each WRX, to adjust for all the tiny differences these things have from the factory? OTS tunes have their place, and unless you are fine tuning for the exact kind of performance you want and/or trying to get every little bit of performance from your mods, I do not think a protune is worth it
OEM tune is safe AF made for noobs that heatsoak and gun it from a light it starts at .675 dam EVERY time, unless it reaches 1. and if it does it will probably go down. OTS tunes are always at 1 so you will get more power but I guess it's less idiot proof
I'm a long time VW driver, and have used "OTS" tunes for years. I've never had a problem caused by an ECU flash from a reputable company. I don't know why it would be any different for Subarus. Your comments about all the variables in an engine are as true for VW as it is for Subaru, and the OEMs are not tuning their cars to factor in the thousandths difference in a clearance or milling. Their tunes include safety margins to account for that. I think that an OTS tune does reduce some of those margins, but it isn't like your engine is going to grenade. I'd like to see your data to support your opinion that an OTS tune is going to cause failures. Without that information, this is an opinion piece, not a factual discussion of failures. All that said, I did watch all the way through, and appreciate your time and effort to put this out. Cheers
Getting insight from the tuner to explain why e-Tunes or Pro-Tunes is better than OTS tunes. It would help people understand why it's safer for the car. Many car reviewers even say the factory tune from Subaru is conservative and when doing pulls the car dials back timing or boost. I assume it's to be safe and reliable as possible and to meet EPA standards. I haven't heard anyone personally ending up having engine damage or failure to their motor from an OTS tune, unless there are some that have??? Maybe the tuner could elaborate on long term effects with OTS tune? Elevation and mechanical engine clearances do play a big part in how the car runs totally agree with you there. I assume the factory tune is universal to meet vehicles in all ranges of elevation and motors produced. And OTS tunes are like a step up from the factory tune but somewhat cutting it close to the safety limits to push out more power.
Yeah the factory just has more safety and room in it. It also learns, versus a static tune. But yeah if you look at knock values, afr, and DAM, Cobb OTS flag warning signs all the time
Depending on what dealer tells you you can keep warranty even with stage 2 as long as you use all Cobb products and have only the OTS map uploaded. People often forget or don’t believe aftermarket manufacturers talk to factory’s to get unlock codes for head units and a number of things…what makes you think Cobb doesn’t have a reputation with Subaru and Ford and VW??? Ask a dealership when you purchase f you can modify the vehicle and how far you can go before voiding warranty. My dealer is willing to letting me go stage 2+ with intercooler all Cobb name brand and Cobb tune dealer agrees in writing that Cobb makes safe stock tunes. I have been told if I go flex fuel or change the high pressure pump in the engine itself that my warranty would be void so I will stay on 93
I kinda get the argument. The cars all come with the same tune from the factory, but Subaru has safety built in I’m sure. So what he’s saying is if you start turning up the performance the window of safety is smaller hence needs to be tuned per the car. I have Cobb OTS right now, otherwise stock engine. In CA we can’t really change intakes and J pipes so I may get it tuned eventually, but if I’m keeping it stock to stay CA compliant then it’s probably not as critical.
Click baity, but, with that said I still watched and believe there is some good info here. In my opinion, an OTS map that has been made with a map guide and specific parts in mind is perfectly fine for Subarus. The reason I say this though is dependant on the owner actually following the map notes and having the parts that the tune was made for. It also helps if the OTS tune is coming from a reputable company that does revisions. Specifically with Subaru the tunes are setup for maximum safety. The timing map where you will find most of your damage maker can be setup conservatively with the DAM adding or subtracting timing based on your specific conditions. The oem map is designed this way as well since we don't all live under the same atmospheric conditions. But, it is extremely important to follow the specific build path on Subarus. When you change the intake you are changing the flow of air into the engine. The Maf sensor is measuring this air and commanding the fuel to mix to achieve the desired afr. If you change that airflow the maf scale will be wrong and you will get the wrong afr. Adding anything to the exhaust system that allows for a free flowing exhaust stream will generate faster responses from the turbo which will pull more air in sooner than the tune was designed to handle. For example at 3k rpm you previously made 2 pounds of boost under full load and now you are making 5 pounds, that full load area of the map will be leaner as it was tuned for 2 pounds. Getting protuned is going to be the best option for longevity and getting exactly the type of performance you want with your cars setup. Every tuner does it differently and some know how to achieve safer results. Think of it like buying a suit from Marshalls, sure it'll fit and look okay. Might even get you laid once the drinks hit her. But having that same suit tailor fitted to show off that buldge in your pants will get you laid before you drop 20 bucks on a sex on the beach. It's up to you and most of the time that OTS map will be perfectly fine. (as long as you follow the build path the map was made for). Thanks for the content 👍.
I’m actually looking to do a protune or etune for my car. The tuner I contacted mentioned the OTS tune will be fine but recommended that I get an intercooler as well to keep engine temps cool if I decide to protune. So far haven’t had any problems but I’m hoping some of these tuners have a sale for thanksgiving that I can take advantage of. Great video btw
Factory tunes are OTS, they are not specific to your individual car or the environment you are driving in. OTS tunes from a good company are safe to use and usually are better than the stock tune. On my 21 wrx I'm running a Cobb 93 stage 1 tune (totally stock car) and it is better than the stock tune. Drivability improved, the 4k and up rpm power is a lot better, power all around is better, by a small amount. Don't expect a massive amount of power from OTS tunes. I would rather have a custom tune and if you are changing engine related parts a custom tune is the better choice. Custom or "Protune" will get the most out of your car. I have some parts to install so I'll be using a custom tune from Dmann.
I notice a suspicious lack of acknowledgement from OP to comments that disagreed with his points. Lol. Speaks volumes. I also have a stage 1+ ots tune on my wrx and it's running beautifully.
more that I get 1000's of comments and takes time to get to them. Part of me wants to sit in the position of my "point of view" is coming from the hard data/reality of what an OTS tune is, I am not sure where disagreement can come from. Your ride should be running fine, but the times where you get to the outer bounds of 2 or 3 sigma's from the curve, your factor of safety and learning will not be in-sync with ambient/localized conditions.
@@AutoEnthusiast what size tire are you running on your wrx? Been thinking of watching from 245 40 18 to 255 40 18. The 255s are cheaper. What do you think?
I think your Opinion doesn't mean jack without scientific proof. Where's the data to prove your point. I have ran the MaPerformance E30 stage 2 tune for the last 3 years and have 150k miles on my car and ZERO issues. Not to mention it gets consistently over 100* during the summer where I live.
This makes sense, great video. But, im a very anxious person about my car, I have a 2011 WRX and im buying an AP this week. I currently do not have any other mods installed except a cylinder 4 cooling mod. I have 1 question and i cant find it anywhere What is the BASE of base tune on the accessport, and what does it change. Im talking Stage 1 93 or 94.
Definitely! Well you should definitely buy it on your own, and then diy install or bring it to a shop to put it on. Most online retailers show a bunch of options!
Hey there, I was looking to buy a Subaru WRX this year! I've been watching your videos to try and get some insight. A few of my co-workers and forums I've read mentioned to opt for 2016+ Do you have any advice? I want something stock, as a daily driver that's fun at times. Apparently the 2015 WRX has more issues than the 2016 and newer models. I'll eventually modify it in the upcoming years but for now I want something without a ton of issues. Would appreciate your help in the matter and thank you for your content!
I would look at 2015's too. Very little changed between those two years. Having owned both, the other differences have been the transmissions lol. I very much miss the limited trim on my 2015 as I am in the base 2016 now.
@@AutoEnthusiast The 2019 and 2020 ones are quite a lumpsum. If you had to choose a fun daily between the 2015/2016/2017 models, what would you opt for? Im a student as well so I don't want to spend too much on maintenance issues
@@Ali.Ratani any of the above really, I would look for less than 50k miles if you can find it. Less chance of needing a new clutch, and major maintenance.
So by the same logic the stock tune is even worse for the reliability because it's even more generic than the OTS tune. So what you're really saying is get a pro tune and not "OTS tunes are BAD". Not arguing the point, but it's not just a "Pro" tune, you want a real "Pro" tuner you trust not just a "one off" tune from Joe Somebody.
Interesting take, my only comment is the hundreds of thousands of man hours going into developing the stock tune and the OTS tunes just having less man hours. Just my two cents. Yeah OTS tunes aren't "bad", just run a pro-tune for the best results.
@@AutoEnthusiast Sorry can't resist ;-) how many man hours go into testing each pro tune compared to the OTS tunes? I'd also wager Cobb has more man hours in their OTS tunes than subaru has in their stock tune. I would also wager Cobb will stand behind it's OTS tunes more than your local pro-tuner when something goes south. I'm running stock until my warranty runs out, so please just take this as friendly banter ;-)
Clearly doesn’t know as much about the car as claimed. Ots tunes are just fine for the wrx/sti. Arguably better than the stock tune since Subaru runs their cars so lean from the factory
@@AutoEnthusiast sure if that’s what it’s supposed to change on the 91 map, very disappointing!, having owned now 3 WRX I’m at a point we’re leaving it stock will increase my returns when selling (nobody really touches modified WRX!), and these cars perform fantastic from factory, unless your going to the track, you can only do 50 in a 50 zone!.
Cobb ots made my car knocks. Its makes the car louder and pop really loud. My dam drop and you can hear knocking. Freak me out so I got phattbotti ots tune for my own car and it's way better.
I had the same problem and the issue was the spark plugs. After the ots my dam. Dropped to .688! After I changed the spark plugs my 17 wrx was LIKE NEW!!
So, tolerate the undeniably shitty stock tune or risk breaking motor. Well in my experience, didn't have to mod, race, or neglect maintenence, to break motor. Spun a bearing at around 27-28k. Not very impressed with these cars. I don't have excess thousands of dollars to throw at it either. Wish I could just sell it now and be done with subarus.
I've been running an OTS tune for 2 years straight and I've never had any problems.
Cobb's OTS tune is the safest thing next to the stock map. I know people hate the stock map but there is a reason why the FA20 pulls timing with a slight heat soak. Cobb's tune mimics the safety net of the oe tune as per Cobb's engineer, find the video on UA-cam.
Once you drop the knock sensitivity parameters, that's what your Protuner will do, you are pushing the limits of what the engine was designed to do. But that's is not to say that you can't run a protune for tens of thousands of miles, it's just that shit will go really wrong when parts start going wrong.
I mean I’ve been running stage 1+ for 100,000km with 0 issues and I’m sitting at 200,000 right now on a 2016 wrx so I’d say it’s a safe tune...as long as you stick with what’s prescribed by the tune as far as only using Cobb parts etc...
did you ever have knock issues?
That's what everyone doesn't understand... Run the Cobb parts specified under the map notes and you should be fine. However all cars are different and some might not run any better on the Cobb ots tune than they would on the stock Subaru tune.
Exactly - if you dont do bolt-ons, but just a CAI or similar, or just want better drive ability - OTS is fine. It’s when you go to downpipes, etc., then it might matter. They critics of OTS say that all cars are different, etc….true, but the factory has one factory tune - so…………endless debate ….. i have a MAP stage one, and it’;s fine. No other major mods. It is a lot better than the OEM tune and i like the car the way it is.
13 wrx OTS Stage 2 Cobb for 3 years been fine, Cobb intake, axelback exhaust, perrin blow off valve (set to recirculate not vent to air), and high flow cat mid pipe now im scared to get Protuned
I appreciate the WRX content. But do you think Subaru does a separate tune for each WRX, to adjust for all the tiny differences these things have from the factory? OTS tunes have their place, and unless you are fine tuning for the exact kind of performance you want and/or trying to get every little bit of performance from your mods, I do not think a protune is worth it
no probably not
BINGO, I was about to post the same exact thing.
OEM tune is safe AF made for noobs that heatsoak and gun it from a light it starts at .675 dam EVERY time, unless it reaches 1. and if it does it will probably go down. OTS tunes are always at 1 so you will get more power but I guess it's less idiot proof
Your factory tune comes from the ECU learning as you drive, which happens over time. The car learns things like altitude, driving style, etc
I'm a long time VW driver, and have used "OTS" tunes for years. I've never had a problem caused by an ECU flash from a reputable company. I don't know why it would be any different for Subarus.
Your comments about all the variables in an engine are as true for VW as it is for Subaru, and the OEMs are not tuning their cars to factor in the thousandths difference in a clearance or milling. Their tunes include safety margins to account for that. I think that an OTS tune does reduce some of those margins, but it isn't like your engine is going to grenade.
I'd like to see your data to support your opinion that an OTS tune is going to cause failures. Without that information, this is an opinion piece, not a factual discussion of failures.
All that said, I did watch all the way through, and appreciate your time and effort to put this out. Cheers
I've been on a stage 2 ots map for 45,000 miles on my '16 WRX and never had any knocks/problems.
@@tedblocker246 how much faster is it to risk parking car for undetermined amount of time?
Liked the video. I'm getting my 2021 wrx stage 2 + tuned. Not cheap for all the stuff but better to spend the money to get it done right.
Getting insight from the tuner to explain why e-Tunes or Pro-Tunes is better than OTS tunes. It would help people understand why it's safer for the car. Many car reviewers even say the factory tune from Subaru is conservative and when doing pulls the car dials back timing or boost. I assume it's to be safe and reliable as possible and to meet EPA standards. I haven't heard anyone personally ending up having engine damage or failure to their motor from an OTS tune, unless there are some that have??? Maybe the tuner could elaborate on long term effects with OTS tune? Elevation and mechanical engine clearances do play a big part in how the car runs totally agree with you there. I assume the factory tune is universal to meet vehicles in all ranges of elevation and motors produced. And OTS tunes are like a step up from the factory tune but somewhat cutting it close to the safety limits to push out more power.
Yeah the factory just has more safety and room in it. It also learns, versus a static tune. But yeah if you look at knock values, afr, and DAM, Cobb OTS flag warning signs all the time
Nonsense the stage 0 tune beats up your engine far less than the factory tune. This cupcake addict is no engineer.
Never trust this barber
😂😂😂😂
What about just having a stage 1 tune to get rid of the rev hang and better driving experience? I dont plan on modding the car.
barely does anything for my 2020 wrx
Depending on what dealer tells you you can keep warranty even with stage 2 as long as you use all Cobb products and have only the OTS map uploaded. People often forget or don’t believe aftermarket manufacturers talk to factory’s to get unlock codes for head units and a number of things…what makes you think Cobb doesn’t have a reputation with Subaru and Ford and VW??? Ask a dealership when you purchase f you can modify the vehicle and how far you can go before voiding warranty. My dealer is willing to letting me go stage 2+ with intercooler all Cobb name brand and Cobb tune dealer agrees in writing that Cobb makes safe stock tunes.
I have been told if I go flex fuel or change the high pressure pump in the engine itself that my warranty would be void so I will stay on 93
I kinda get the argument.
The cars all come with the same tune from the factory, but Subaru has safety built in I’m sure.
So what he’s saying is if you start turning up the performance the window of safety is smaller hence needs to be tuned per the car.
I have Cobb OTS right now, otherwise stock engine. In CA we can’t really change intakes and J pipes so I may get it tuned eventually, but if I’m keeping it stock to stay CA compliant then it’s probably not as critical.
Makes total sense. Good video mate. Hope to buy a WRX in the next 12 months. Will be going straight to a dyno tune
Love it! Thanks for the support!
Be careful. No turning back once you do this.
Click baity, but, with that said I still watched and believe there is some good info here.
In my opinion, an OTS map that has been made with a map guide and specific parts in mind is perfectly fine for Subarus. The reason I say this though is dependant on the owner actually following the map notes and having the parts that the tune was made for. It also helps if the OTS tune is coming from a reputable company that does revisions.
Specifically with Subaru the tunes are setup for maximum safety. The timing map where you will find most of your damage maker can be setup conservatively with the DAM adding or subtracting timing based on your specific conditions. The oem map is designed this way as well since we don't all live under the same atmospheric conditions.
But, it is extremely important to follow the specific build path on Subarus. When you change the intake you are changing the flow of air into the engine. The Maf sensor is measuring this air and commanding the fuel to mix to achieve the desired afr. If you change that airflow the maf scale will be wrong and you will get the wrong afr. Adding anything to the exhaust system that allows for a free flowing exhaust stream will generate faster responses from the turbo which will pull more air in sooner than the tune was designed to handle. For example at 3k rpm you previously made 2 pounds of boost under full load and now you are making 5 pounds, that full load area of the map will be leaner as it was tuned for 2 pounds.
Getting protuned is going to be the best option for longevity and getting exactly the type of performance you want with your cars setup. Every tuner does it differently and some know how to achieve safer results. Think of it like buying a suit from Marshalls, sure it'll fit and look okay. Might even get you laid once the drinks hit her. But having that same suit tailor fitted to show off that buldge in your pants will get you laid before you drop 20 bucks on a sex on the beach.
It's up to you and most of the time that OTS map will be perfectly fine. (as long as you follow the build path the map was made for).
Thanks for the content 👍.
Thank god somebody said it. SO many people run OTS tunes with full bolt ons
Running cobb stage 1+ cobb big sf intake zero issues
I’m actually looking to do a protune or etune for my car. The tuner I contacted mentioned the OTS tune will be fine but recommended that I get an intercooler as well to keep engine temps cool if I decide to protune. So far haven’t had any problems but I’m hoping some of these tuners have a sale for thanksgiving that I can take advantage of. Great video btw
How's the rug
Love your content .. from down under
thanks!!
Same here brother. ❤️❤️❤️
ambott tuning’s ots tunes are pretty good if you arent ready to go etune yet
Yeah people seem to generally like his work!
Factory tunes are OTS, they are not specific to your individual car or the environment you are driving in. OTS tunes from a good company are safe to use and usually are better than the stock tune. On my 21 wrx I'm running a Cobb 93 stage 1 tune (totally stock car) and it is better than the stock tune. Drivability improved, the 4k and up rpm power is a lot better, power all around is better, by a small amount. Don't expect a massive amount of power from OTS tunes. I would rather have a custom tune and if you are changing engine related parts a custom tune is the better choice. Custom or "Protune" will get the most out of your car. I have some parts to install so I'll be using a custom tune from Dmann.
I notice a suspicious lack of acknowledgement from OP to comments that disagreed with his points. Lol. Speaks volumes. I also have a stage 1+ ots tune on my wrx and it's running beautifully.
more that I get 1000's of comments and takes time to get to them. Part of me wants to sit in the position of my "point of view" is coming from the hard data/reality of what an OTS tune is, I am not sure where disagreement can come from. Your ride should be running fine, but the times where you get to the outer bounds of 2 or 3 sigma's from the curve, your factor of safety and learning will not be in-sync with ambient/localized conditions.
lol
supporting from las vegas , very informative
thanks for the support!
we are automotive UA-camrs to keep it coming can’t wait to see more make sure you stop by the channel sometime fam 🏎
@@cre8tivegarage157 Keep the grind up! You are killing it with getting content uploaded!
idk man i have an OTS for a while whats he talikng about?
Ots tunes only with specified parts like cobbs tune with cobbs parts specifically
The stock ecu is tuned to specific air ratio so is the stock tune unstable in different environments already
Exactly...The environment / every car is different side of the debate is moot
Could you let us know your qualifications? Engineer? Professional tuner? Thanks.
5 years as an owner, 5 years in the community, experienced mechanical engineer, etc.
Love the rims! What are those? Are you on coil overs or still stock? Great video's! I got my 17 wrx cvt pro tuned to E30 and loving it.
Avid1 Av20's, stock ride. Coils are on the list of things to do, I just have to re-slope my driveway so I can get in and out.
@@AutoEnthusiast I like the look with the stock height. it looks more "rally aggressive" to me but lowering them looks good too
@@james7310 Yeah I wasn't thinking low low, just maybe shave 1" or similar. I think too low loses the "Rally" look.
@@AutoEnthusiast what size tire are you running on your wrx? Been thinking of watching from 245 40 18 to 255 40 18. The 255s are cheaper. What do you think?
I think your Opinion doesn't mean jack without scientific proof. Where's the data to prove your point. I have ran the MaPerformance E30 stage 2 tune for the last 3 years and have 150k miles on my car and ZERO issues. Not to mention it gets consistently over 100* during the summer where I live.
Hit a stock tune on a 30 degree uphill and the boost will hang on until redline. There made for load not flat land.
Who’s your tuner?
But then again, there's videos that say that OTS tunes are perfectly fine...lol! Who to believe????
Lol
But what if your tuning a ots tune just for the intake sound, that should be so bad right?
Shouldn’t **
I know someone with a cobb stage 1 wrx with no problems at all. Im about to stage 1 my 2017 wrx
@@joshuadeloach1676 hell yeah man! Have fun🤘🏽
This makes sense, great video. But, im a very anxious person about my car, I have a 2011 WRX and im buying an AP this week. I currently do not have any other mods installed except a cylinder 4 cooling mod. I have 1 question and i cant find it anywhere
What is the BASE of base tune on the accessport, and what does it change. Im talking Stage 1 93 or 94.
Can I get a spoiler on a 2019 wrx cvt? And if so where do I go?
Definitely! Well you should definitely buy it on your own, and then diy install or bring it to a shop to put it on. Most online retailers show a bunch of options!
I wonder if you need an access port to get tuned by a tuner
You do
So can i get an E tune / pro tune for a stage one no mods just axle back
No you do not need a tune for exhaust.
Hey there, I was looking to buy a Subaru WRX this year! I've been watching your videos to try and get some insight. A few of my co-workers and forums I've read mentioned to opt for 2016+
Do you have any advice? I want something stock, as a daily driver that's fun at times. Apparently the 2015 WRX has more issues than the 2016 and newer models. I'll eventually modify it in the upcoming years but for now I want something without a ton of issues. Would appreciate your help in the matter and thank you for your content!
I would look at 2015's too. Very little changed between those two years. Having owned both, the other differences have been the transmissions lol. I very much miss the limited trim on my 2015 as I am in the base 2016 now.
Try to go for 2019-2020 most of the kinks have been worked out from the 2015-2018.
@@lucian7182 Yeah fairly larger improvements in the newer models. If they are within budget, I would definitely keep an eye out for them.
@@AutoEnthusiast The 2019 and 2020 ones are quite a lumpsum. If you had to choose a fun daily between the 2015/2016/2017 models, what would you opt for? Im a student as well so I don't want to spend too much on maintenance issues
@@Ali.Ratani any of the above really, I would look for less than 50k miles if you can find it. Less chance of needing a new clutch, and major maintenance.
Im on stock internals and waiting to have car paid off and warranty til i can go bolt ons, does ambott tunning have a stage 1 for stock cars?
Yeah I believe so. He will hook you up with pretty much anything.
Homie...that haircut.....
Click bait is strong with this one
I’m from the Boston area to where did u go to get your tune ??
Bren tuning, but go to Matt Miner in RI
If you posted more you’d have more subs.. ur videos are very informative!
That's the plan! Crazy life stuff went down in the past couple weeks, so a little behind!
So by the same logic the stock tune is even worse for the reliability because it's even more generic than the OTS tune. So what you're really saying is get a pro tune and not "OTS tunes are BAD". Not arguing the point, but it's not just a "Pro" tune, you want a real "Pro" tuner you trust not just a "one off" tune from Joe Somebody.
Interesting take, my only comment is the hundreds of thousands of man hours going into developing the stock tune and the OTS tunes just having less man hours. Just my two cents. Yeah OTS tunes aren't "bad", just run a pro-tune for the best results.
@@AutoEnthusiast Sorry can't resist ;-) how many man hours go into testing each pro tune compared to the OTS tunes? I'd also wager Cobb has more man hours in their OTS tunes than subaru has in their stock tune. I would also wager Cobb will stand behind it's OTS tunes more than your local pro-tuner when something goes south. I'm running stock until my warranty runs out, so please just take this as friendly banter ;-)
Titles video "...never used ots..." proceeds to use ots tune.. lol. Nice click bait
So either people don't know what they are talking about or Cobb are complete idiots. I mean all of Gale Banks tunes are OTS and they are phenomenal.
Clearly doesn’t know as much about the car as claimed. Ots tunes are just fine for the wrx/sti. Arguably better than the stock tune since Subaru runs their cars so lean from the factory
lol
I purchased the Cobb last week, installed the OTS 91 map on my STOCK WRX, the car had less torque and power than stock, sold the AP leaving it stock!.
Really? Was it not just a change in powerband and throttle response?
@@AutoEnthusiast sure if that’s what it’s supposed to change on the 91 map, very disappointing!, having owned now 3 WRX I’m at a point we’re leaving it stock will increase my returns when selling (nobody really touches modified WRX!), and these cars perform fantastic from factory, unless your going to the track, you can only do 50 in a 50 zone!.
You are the first and probably only person to sell your AP for your WRX.
@@jessel1217 smart cookie I am!. You can only do 50 in a 50 zone!.
@@repique10 i mean you cannnn do 100
Cobb ots made my car knocks. Its makes the car louder and pop really loud. My dam drop and you can hear knocking. Freak me out so I got phattbotti ots tune for my own car and it's way better.
I had the same problem and the issue was the spark plugs. After the ots my dam. Dropped to .688! After I changed the spark plugs my 17 wrx was LIKE NEW!!
everything was fine until the aftermarket Tmic
Blanket opinions on OTS tunes; now there's something you see literally every day on all these hobby-tuner pages...
So, tolerate the undeniably shitty stock tune or risk breaking motor. Well in my experience, didn't have to mod, race, or neglect maintenence, to break motor. Spun a bearing at around 27-28k. Not very impressed with these cars. I don't have excess thousands of dollars to throw at it either. Wish I could just sell it now and be done with subarus.
I like your channel. I feel your channel may grow quicker if you shorten your videos. Give it a try man
You can only monetize videos if they are 10 minutes or longer😂
@@AutoEnthusiast - Ah yeah true. Well I can’t blame you there. Do what ya gotta do.
Disagree, unless you don’t know what your doing