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@@higheriscalling5295 It's thinking after you've failed as a country to uphold your own laws and safeguard your own borders to the point that your systems become overwhelmed, your solution is to expect sovereign countries to simply pick up the tab and bail you out increasingly. Pure delusion and gaslighting. Please don't ask me what gaslighting means to me, look it up.
Brilliant discussion, very wise guest, especially on Politicians, let's not rely on them for tangible solutions. We need to work together as Africans and find solutions. 🇿🇼🤝🇿🇦, we are the people
I think the best thing is to focus on how as an individual you can work hard and improve your own life. Immigration issues will not disappear overnight, and ANC is not going anywhere. So if you worry too much about foreigners and what their doing you will damage your physical and mental health, and your quality of life will not improve.
@@MrKaekapakae I agree buti wami but you can not run your house using your neighbor's laws( Roman Dutch law) you first look at your situation and come up with a constitution that suits you brother ain't that right? We must change the construction brother.
The Dutch stole / looted wealth of this counyry but are yet to be penalized. Whites killed Mr Bantu Biko and Mr C Hani ......looting actually continues with Mr Phala Phala in support .
@@feruziwalidi7824 Yet South African politicians still have the sense to understand that they cannot completely collapse infrastructure, health systems, education systems and the economy! So don't even try to equate our problems with the problems of other failed states. We also have democracy as well as free and fair elections. Also keep in mind that these things are not handed on a silver platter to us . Ordinary South Africans fight to keep politicians accountable even if they are not fully accountable.
@@dinaledi4085 free and fair election happened to many African countries the situation of Zimbabwe don't connect it to all 55 countries of Africa. Most illegal immigrants are Zimbabweans everything has it beginning and it's end. If you remember there were a lot Angolans but now is very rare to see even one on the street they all back to Angola so don't be emotional for this temporal predicament other countries going through.
@@lebogangmoeketsi1614 These people don't know what is coming for them. If I were them, I'd pack up and leave. South Africa is a ticking time bomb as far as illegal immigrants are concerned, especially arrogant Zimbabweans and Nigerians.
This is the first person who's said something intelligent, insightful and that actually makes sense about this issue. It is justifiably very angering and very unfair to South Africans to expect them to tolerate this when they themselves are struggling to make ends meet. However to deal with it is going to take clear heads without or less emotions to make any kind of progress. The bill MUST be sent to the Zimbabwean government for the economic refugees crossing the Limpopo who are not recognized by the South African state. The 180k or so people on the ZEP visa are not the actual problem (I know this might anger most people but please hear me out). These people are legally recognized by the state of South Africa, they paid for the visas and they pay taxes like every South African and are actually contributing to the growth and working of the SA economy. Some will most likely have some form of medical aid because they're officially employed or are running SME's. They're also the ones less likely to be committing crimes because SAPS actually has their true fingerprints, pictures and place of last known address so they can be traced and found if they do commit a crime. If anyone should get permanent residence permits, it should be them because they've been paying taxes and haven't committed crimes and this can be verified if need be. Its the hundreds of thousands if not a million or more of Zimbabweans that are undocumented who are the issue and more prone to resulting in criminal activity. To spend money and waste resources and time trying to deport migrants who you know as a government because you gave them visas and have been in your country for 10 years is a futile exercise when you've got millions more who are ghosts and shadows because they're undocumented and/or border jumped. Here's a thought, and you can tell me if its stupid or not. SA Home affairs can simply say to every ZEP holder, report every Zimbabwean whom they know to be undocumented to Home Affairs. The purpose is not to try and deport them, thats a waste of SAPs and SA Home Affairs time and already stretched resources. Instead it would be to create a verified list of all undocumented Zimbabweans (its verified because the person was reported by a ZEP holder who knows them and can verify where they live and their name) The SA government can then come up with a cost per every person, say R30k or R40k or more per person, because undocumented people are costing the state a lot of money in health care and are taking away jobs from ordinary South Africans that have families to take care of. This list can then be officially sent to the Zim government and the UN High Commissioner for refugees for them to pay. THEY MUST PAY. This could be tens of billions of Rands for the SA government in revenue which can be used to fund the SASSA grants and health care for ordinary South Africans. If the Zim government refuses to pay, then the SA government can simply institute a mandatory tariff or fee on every Zimbabwean man, woman, child, animal, truck and car coming into SA by plane or through Beitbridge border post. Either way SA wont lose. At the end of the day its governments that are responsible for this type of migration, so its governments that should pay for them, ordinary South Africans shouldnt. I know this was very long, thanks for reading and thank you to all South Africans who truly have been more than generous with their country and spaces, you're not crazy to be very angry about this, its not Xenophobic, you're angry because you're being prejudiced economically and its not fair. I know Zimbabweans wouldnt like it if Mozambicans or Malawians did this. I know because I'm Zimbabwean. Lets just not kill each other but instead lets make the governments responsible pay. Instead of looking at an undocumented person as an enemy, look at them as R40k (or more) that their government and the citizens back home in that country to pay for. Criminals, rapists and drug dealers should be shown no mercy though, and ZEP holders can be used in weeding these people out if they're empowered. Nlhanhla lux (whos anger is very justified by the way, it just needs to be directed at the right people and the ruling ANC or government of that time to enforce such a measure) and his movement together with other locally formed SA civic organizations can then be involved in the auditing of the funds coming in and mobilize their people to monitor the verification process and be paid for it aswell. Thanks again my brothers and sisters. Just my two cents in trying to help out and find a way out of this created mess thats not of our own making.
@ Tii Kudzanai , the only thing you said that makes sense is that the 180000 or so are not the problem. The rest is stupid and not practical, you asked us to tell you. 😂
So you realise that once SA does documents illegal immigrants more illegal immigrants will be coming to be documented ? And more illegal immigrants will be coming to SA for medical services with the arrogance that their government is paying? You really think that the same Zimbabwean government that is unwilling to provide medical services with the current infrastructure they have in Zim will suddenly turn around and pay for medical services their poor citizens are receiving in neighbouring countries ? Are you serious ? A government that is so uncaring that it will allow a situation where heavily pregnant women make a dangerous journey to cross borders illegally to access medical services in neighbouring countries ! A government with the lowest paid medical doctors probably in the entire world ! That same government will suddenly have politicians who have a conscience to make their government pay for medical services provided to their citizens in neighbouring countries? Okay let's say Zimbabwean politicians miraculously gain consciences and actually make funds available to pay SA , do you think that SA will have capacity to service the entire Zimbabwe and SA with medical services? Do we would have enough hospitals , clinics , medical staff , specialist medical staff , medications , medical equipment and administrative staff to run our hospitals efficiently with that added burden of another entire country's citizens ? What about schools ? We already have hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant children in our public schools . If we document all illegal immigrants in SA right now do you understand that more immigrants will be coming to enrol their children in our already crowded public school system since their government is being billed ? The same questions apply here .... will we have capacity ? If we document everyone we will only cause the same entitlement mentality that the ZEP system caused. Ten years after documenting those people our courts will be faced with legal action where those same documented immigrants now demand to be made permanent residence . It will never end. The more SA gives the more immigrants demand. This joy ride has to stop at some point and maybe that time is now.
Who is going to fight for them if they can't go home and Vote for their choice. All they know is to try to fight or to practice their rights in South Africa whereas they don't know what is a right in their Country. They are treated like nothing in their Country .
When your elders were running away from white people in this country to neighboring country countries who were voting back home in south africa. There Is a certain situation that will force you away from home. Your choice is to live or run away from that oppression.
You will understand it once it happens here in south africa. When war starts mo side understands the opposite side. No time to do anything productive. Take an example of Ukraine, can you stand that situation and think to vote in Ukraine or Russia for which government.
@@bintijuda5714What a shame full Country, did you hear the new about killings in our Tarvens ,there's some Soldiers that came to killed our people from outside SA ,just imagine .
@@bintijuda5714 zim is not at war ,u voted for zanu pf ,and the aparteid was defeated by people who where in SA not the ones in outside of SA , stop making excuess because we dont owe u anything
Just because someone is a professor does not automatically make him a sensible and wise person. He is only speaking as a professor protecting his profession.He has a lot to lose,he can't speak the real truth...in fact he must keep quiet because he does not even know anything about sharing a space or tussling for resources with the immigrants. He is nothing but a rich man with a full tummy who knows nothing about the poverty of the ordinary citizens. What is he even talking about?If there are hardships around the world,does it then mean coming into a country where the majority citizens are poor a solution. What happens if millions are forced to come into the country everyday since their reasons to migrate are understandable?South Africa must just continue taking people in without a plan to take care of all of them when they're already failing to take care of South Africans.?Well,if that is politically correct,let them do It,but people like Kgomoesoana must start accommodating these immigrants as well,give them peaces of land for them to build shacks or he must just keep quiet because he is blowing a hot air.
He must add at least 20 immigrants into his medical aid as his dependents, educate them in the same schools his children are going to and pay for them. He must practice what he preaches before he demands that the poor continue sharing their scarce resources.
Dr Motsoaledi should be tough and we could manage with closed borders. As long as they r managed. This guest need to ask himself a question, how come we managed during apartheid with tighly controlled borders. We can still do so even now, nothing stops us as South Africa to close and controls our border.
@@zxxxrain8070 we close for people not suppose to be in country illegal and commit atrocious crimes, including killings and rape. At the moment our borders are ajar, anything and everyone comes in.
@@zxxxrain8070 Take your crap talk elsewhere. We had closed borders and our economy was better than it is now. Look how Namibia nad Botswana closed off trdae to protect thyeir farmers. we are let down by ANC and we need them out of power.
We also unfortunately have more than enough problems. You're quite right they can't stay forever, even though their our brothers and sisters. It's time for them to fight for their country and we'll join them again after.
@@mngcwa Indians were brought to SA by whites 300 years ago they did not came in 1994 like all of you who are crying for staying in SA simple because we allowed whites and Indians to be in SA mxm. those Indians were here during apartheid
@@marvindube3572 they are not my brothers and sisters! Why does every one keep saying this? I can accept they are my African but that's it. If they my brothers and sister then all 53 countries are all our brothers and sisters. No o e els is saying this like Algeria. They the biggest African country why not go there. It's not viable to keep taking care of the rest of Africa. Our own children in SA have nothing, no future. Worst if all it's our ack children. I am sorry but I will turn 10 Zimbabweans away to feed one SA kid.
What a legend we will need you now and then on our screen,A N C government is confused I feel pity for Aaron is working with crooks.Remember vote next year in Zimbabwe they want Zanu p f to win, the Zimbos in South Africa will not have time to go and vote busy fighting for their rights in South Africa.Poor people will always be their lollipops.Chitando is a Zanu knows to play his cards right.
We want to hear the opinions and voices of the poor and marginalised people who are mostly affected by this situation not a professor speaking from a position of privilege! 🚮🚮🚮🚮
You have already said it, voices of the poor and marginalized, they are poor and they are marginalized, meaning they are at the back of the beyond, so no one will listen to them, and that is reality, in general everybody would listen to a learned person, who is the professor, so I don't understand when you say he is speaking from a point of privilege.
The only wall that will be effective is denying services, paid or not to any unregistered person, make the environment internally unwelcoming to all illegal dwellers and provide care for all documented at a price.
He says there is no point in chasing ppl out while our borders are porous, but then he is not mentioning the need for a wall to make the borders less porous. Why are we looking at everything else but not fixing the borders?
@@Dr_Du-Little it would cost much less than it the money of thousands of people that are currently paid to monitor the border, the money lost though the illegal trade, and crime commited by illegal foreigners. The wal would be much more effective in population control for both countries and help Zimbabwe be able to track the improvements it makes or lack of it. It would also help South Africa see the progress they make in helping Zim when I voted to do so
Even USA tried putting d wall but Mexicans are stll entering some things u cant stop them even if you put death penalty It's all about changing the aproach dan try to prohibit For example u try to stop kids having sex at young age ...its either dey wl come home pregnant and u wont know who d father is ...or they will escape from home for some days so d solution is to teach dem to have protected sex in dat case u saving lot of resources and avoiding problems ...
7:13 I don't take politician seriously. Not when they do campaign or when they have a national conference because I never know what they say and what they mean, and what they are going to do." There couldn't be a truer statement than that.
There people in Africa, like Victor, who know what they are talking about and have solutions for problems but I wonder why they don't get listened to by people in positions of state management. Thanks Victor for a book extract I read: Africa is open for business.
I disagree with this guest, Dr Motsoaledi has already achieved "strategic success " next is to achieve "operational success " by kicking out Zimbabweans out in June next year, it can be done and will be done
His advisors are letting him down. South Africa can't be concerned about citizens of other countries first before the locals. They have forgotten who they are meant to serve. Zimbabweans won't be voting for them neither will they contribute tax to the country. This guest is talking nonsense.
It was that neo liberals Helen Suzman Foundation who forced them to be lenient, because they threatened to take them to court. . ANC is not our only enemy, its also White buisiness and neo liberals.
@@Tinker8531 should the likes of Helen suzman foundation win , then it’s a “usurping “ of state prerogative to lay down laws of our country, we as South Africans must fight this 1 and win
SANS can fight back in only one way and that is to vote out ANC, do not vote for EFF or DA. SA is being held hostage by foreigners, and neo liberal businesses. SANS need to vote for Action SA.
Even Xhosas and Sothos .. I know many. Also my great grandfather was a Msotho. ... I have Sotho DNA .. even though I am not hundred percent on the language
In addition to that along Limpopo the is Tsongas and Vhendas on both sides who are even related just devided by the lines of demarcation that the oppressor imposed on us
There is a context here, help one another. Its not easy when ppl start enriching themselves at the expense of the helper. They will thank us with a bucket of pooh 1 day.
With this one Zimbabwean government will not getaway with this ,,they must pay for their pipul.We dont want to hate each other they are making us do.You making sense more than everyone Bro.
This man made so many valid points. I agree with him, we must hold Zanu accountable. I just wanna know if Zimbabwe will foot the bill Nah?? Will they pay? Can they pay..
The most surprising fact about these analysts is that not a single one of them discusses the problem of the poor South Africans. And they, the marginalised people of SA, are the very people who are going to make or break any arrangement made i.r.o the Zimbo immigrants, trust me. How would you react when you go visit your mother at Tembisa Hospital only to find her sleeping on the floor and an illegal Zimbo occupying a comfortable bed? This analyst talks sweet nothing to expect Zimbabwe or Mozambique to pay for the hospital costs of its citizens. It has been tried before and for many times and it has failed. It's all very well to sit on a comfortable chair in an air-conditioned studio, and talk like you matter. People should get this straight into their heads. Relations between Zimbabwe and SA has deteriorated irretrievably. Trying to force integration can only lead to unnecessary bloodshed.
Gents do not take Victor serious, his main job at university of Limpopo is that of a choir master. His book on Africa is open for business is a pipe dream.
@James Bond, South Africans are wasting their time on the smaller issues when they have bigger problems - are these Zimbabweans not more closely related to your grandmother than the white settlers who continue to marginalise the people of SA to this day and occupy private hospital beds using the money acquired from 85% of the resources that rightfully belong to you? Yet you are not talking about this either instead I find that you are overly concerned with those sharing a small portion on the basis of an artificial border imposed by them meant to achieve such marginalisation through divide and conquer. You see how your mindset is skewed and your anger misdirected? The problem is that you have been programmed to that think you are different people so you think in term of us vs them when you ought to band together - a truly conquered mindset.
Your economy can't survive with unpeaceful neighbors since they are part of your economy. You can't produce amagwinya to sell to your own family. Wha this country produces needs other countries to buy. You think Gold and minerals are being mined for your own to buy? So how do you get forex in. Thats the reason why Zimbabwe is poor since sanctions prevents them marketing with outside world so you cant do nothing without peaceful neighbors. Your trucks are passing in all neighboring to deliver what you produce to create money💰.
@Binti Juta, you did not invent the wheel. Who was buying and selling amagwinya in SA before you flooded our country like flies? In any event, what happens with us after you've left is none of your business. On the same subject, please explain to us as to who imposed sanctions and against whom? Also, when and why?
No disrespect to the guest but how do you effectively“send the bill” to a country that doesn’t have enough bread in the shops. I genuinely think these intellectuals, NGO’s and the three branches of government need to sit together in order to find a solution to this crisis
This is the problem with interviewing academics. They speak on theory rather than reality. Dr Motsoaledi is a doctor and has been a Minister of Health. He knows the impracticality of documenting every illegal immigrant that comes into SA . He understands the impracticality of saying all illegal immigrants can use our hospitals and we will send the bill to their countries. How long will we wait for the bill to be paid? And in the meantime how will we be resourcing our health system with these millions of patients from surrounding countries? Where will the medical infrastructure , medical staff hospital admin staff , equipment etc come from ? These types of wietuons should be directed at actual medical administrators and medical professionals rather than political academics .
Solutions come from dialogue. That suggestion is quiet effective if it is implemented effectively. There are a lot of ways to indirectly impose taxes on Zimbabweans and anything that is related to Zimbabwe and that money will be redirected into the economy of South Africa. There is a lot of trade that is happening between these two countries and money thats supposed to be beneficiary to the people and the governments is being pocketed by elite.
As far as am concerned it's better for the South African government to tax every foreign national living in SA we leave in Peace so that the tax fees reduces the weight on the local resources.
How are you going to tax a border jumper? The fact that people skip a border to come here for free medication does not tell me that they have the means to pay tax
@@MusehanaH A new method of controlling everything must be implemented into SA .That is every foreign national who is documented or not documented must be given a certain tag of identitification then those who are undocumented must pay a trespassing charge to the government of SA but how ever they must have a true Identitification from their country .
@Saved by Grace certain professor from University of Limpopo. He once engaged in a public debate with Nhlanhla Lux on the same issue,that is when I heard him for the first time.
Wisdom that is unmatched!!! I salute you Sir for your your honest and reality which we face as Zimbabweans. Home is home but when home is hostile, we always ask for help from neighbours.
The irony of that statement is painfully clear. U can't run away from your hostile home know very well your presence will make the neighbors side to Also be hostile.
Before sending a bill to Zimbabwe, first check how much tax, both PAYE and sales tax, is being injected into SA economy by Zimbabwe and its nationals. It's not easy to simply send a bill to Harare.
Victor is missing the bigger picture. He has narrowed the issue to just hospitl bills. The main issue here is jobs. Yes they can come back again but they will not occupy those jobs that many of them occupy now with these permits.
Plus education, infrastructure, power supply on this already heavily burdened grid , water supply , safety and security, SAPS personnel and resources , Home Affairs resources etc.
The main issue he is trying to put across is accountability the government needs to come up with solutions that put everyone to account locals and foreigners. Once we find measures to account for every person and every resource you will realise that there is enough to spare. Instead the government is hiding behind immigration. If we don't see it in this direction next thing South Africans will be fighting amongst each other for these same unaccounted resources.
@@Pulapula01 South Africa doesn't have resources to spare tor illegal foreigners. Just a few days ago our president was overseas seeking financial aid in the tune of billions of dollars to save Eskom.
Bra Vic I understand your passion for Africa from the days of Power FM but you are preaching what you cannot practice. How many in your extended family need an intervention currently from life pressures like non South Africans? Have you done anything like you are saying?
1. Legalizing everyone is just not a viable solution. How do we integrate them into our societies without having social ills.its unfair to the poor. The Dr is talking from a vantage point of someone who is very advantaged. Living in an estate welcoming another advantaged neighbor.It can never work amongst people previously disadvantaged, poor and fighting for scarce resources. 2. Some countries will bluntly refuse to pay their bills. 3. Where will those people be accommodated? We have housing issue in the country. The next thing they will want the land we have not even got back from colonizers. 4. The government is not in the business of selling healthcare services boma Mediclinic etc are in that business. They can probably take those immigrants. The government is in the business of proving healthcare to poor South Africans and refugees.
The Zimbabweans are coming to South Africa because they expropriated land without compensation. You want land? Expropriation with fair compensation paid for with taxes. Who pays the most taxes? That or you build a boat. There's no more countries South of South Africa to go beg in
MaNdaba, I wish you were the one being interviewed by SABC. The The Dr is wrong. How can he say Home affairs department must document immigrants on ZEP because they don't want to apply for mainstream Visas. Meaning SA must not enforce its laws. I wonder why these experts don't think of the unemployed youth of SA. They always give preference to illegal immigrants.
People like this Prof should be asked to take on 20 to 30 immigrants as financial dependents. He must put them in his medical aid as his dependants . Let's see if he will appreciate the cost that comes with that . He must also pay for their children's education so that the sharing spirit he is expecting from poor South Africans is shared by every caring SAn citizen like himself. He must put those immigrant children in the same schooling as his own kids and finance it. We can't only have the poor to share their under resources and failing health care as well as education system with poor immigrants. Furthermore he must retire and allow allow an immigrant to take his job or reduce his salary so that 3 to 5 more immigrants can also be employed in his position. We are sharing scarce resources here . The wealthy must also share this burden. We must also demand the apportion parts of land in every single residential estate and complex to illegal immigrants. The same way we keep saying illegal immigrants must be integrated into society. Let it not only be in informal settlements , inner cities and townships . Let it also be in affluent neighbourhoods. If that can be done then yes we can agree to Prof's asuggestion .
@@sellomonama7797 When we document the ones in SA now millions more will come in to demand documentation. Will the Orif provide the admin support and infrastructure for this ? Let alone every other crisis that will arise out of that . Also once you have this inflated Home Affairs labour force how on earth do you monitor and prevent corruption ? Some academics can really shock you.
This man is intelligence and telling the truth only I wish SADC will come up with something productivity for their children Zimbabwe and South African are sisters and it's a big problem
@@muzinxumalo2575 guys this is politics I hope we stop fighting and see these with another eye please I just wish we can stop all this nonsense and demand clarity from our leaders
Nothing stopping us to disown Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans as we r not getting anything helpful as ordinary South Africans. The ANC, Zimbabweans and this guest will dwell on South Africa and Zimbabweans as sisters.
Harsh and inappropriate measures will enrich corrupt Immigration personel .Make it officially easy for foreigners to come to SA but work out how the Govt can benefit from them by getting taxes for instance
This the man who knows what he is talking about. Legalize the people, and know them so that you may be able to hold account the government of their original. Otherwise you will be just going in a circle.
You must emphasize with the unemployed youth of SA. Those people are ilooking for jobs in the country. There are no jobs in SA. Imagine south africans competing with foreigners for jobs in the farms. That is to invite chaos in South africa. The only thing that destroyed SA is this thing of not having Refugees camps. You won't here of the so called xenophobia in countries that have Refugees camps.
See why Mbeki was doing a lot to fix Africa. Doing so allows other practical solutions to be implementable. Truth be told, South Africa will benefit immensely when our neighbours are safe, stable and growing economies. My question now is: What can South Africa do to stabilize Zim, Lesotho, Moz, eSwatini, Nigeria, Congo, Ethiopia, etc?
@@zulub.r.u.h7846 even though it’s difficult to carry the continent, we are doing so already. Maybe South Africa should work better. How about we take our mining expertise to Zim, get the product out to RSA and ship it to the world. Give Zim a portion and we keep the rest. That should help Zim, would it not? It can help Satafricans also. That’s a terrible scheme but it shows what can be done to assist SADC Let’s be innovative to make Africa better.
The problem of this country our national discourse is help by Black middle class, the bunch of people who are suffered from social amnesia, the majority of them hired these people and talk nonsense in mass media
Its the only way forward document them and bill their countries but above that dont support bad governance in these countries, this will reduce presure on yourselves
It looks like Zimbabwe is not expected to do anything about this problem. I'm yet to see and hear a list of things that Zimbabwe is expected to do to hey her people.
I THINK I'M BLESSED BECAUSE IF NOT I WOULDN'T HAVE MET SOMEONE WHO IS AS SPECTACULAR AS EXPERT AVA LIO
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First time hearing this man, I'm insulted by my ignorance of his existence. Such a brilliant academic 👏🏾
But he is being delusional here.
@@lebohangmohapi8605 elaborate what delusion means to you.
@@higheriscalling5295 It's thinking after you've failed as a country to uphold your own laws and safeguard your own borders to the point that your systems become overwhelmed, your solution is to expect sovereign countries to simply pick up the tab and bail you out increasingly. Pure delusion and gaslighting. Please don't ask me what gaslighting means to me, look it up.
@@lebohangmohapi8605 rest Lebohang rest.
@@higheriscalling5295 Is that your argument?
I've watched Victor for years and he is one of the finest in Africa
Thanks Dr Victor, you have spoken well I salute you. These are sentiments from a real professor👌
Doctor lol
I understand you just want to be in South Africa
@@tmanman6785 not exactly if my instinct says I should go I have to go anywhere
Brilliant discussion, very wise guest, especially on Politicians, let's not rely on them for tangible solutions. We need to work together as Africans and find solutions. 🇿🇼🤝🇿🇦, we are the people
The problem is that only South African who are carry this for Whole African continent.This is not far
@@ntokozapearlkhaula9014 Their idea of working together is relying on SA and taking resources from poor SAns.
Professor must be frequently given air space .We salute yo wisdom.
I salute you sir, you're very smart. You deserve a sit in Parliament
What else you still want to hear, He Nailed it.Thank you Mr
I think the best thing is to focus on how as an individual you can work hard and improve your own life. Immigration issues will not disappear overnight, and ANC is not going anywhere.
So if you worry too much about foreigners and what their doing you will damage your physical and mental health, and your quality of life will not improve.
watched this live
guy is spot on
Unity is power. Study economic growth and you'll see that this is a step forward ✊🏿 viva SADC
Economics requires the RULE OF LAW. Without that, it will be just Nul and Void.
@@MrKaekapakae I agree buti wami but you can not run your house using your neighbor's laws( Roman Dutch law) you first look at your situation and come up with a constitution that suits you brother ain't that right?
We must change the construction brother.
@Saved by Grace yep we dont want them here they must go home and build their country
SA cannot be the fixer of failed states whose self enriched leaders have plundered the resources
The Dutch stole / looted wealth of this counyry but are yet to be penalized. Whites killed Mr Bantu Biko and Mr C Hani ......looting actually continues with Mr Phala Phala in support .
Don't forget South Africa leaders are amongst those African leaders you mentioned that why there are a lot of corruption cases
@@feruziwalidi7824 Yet South African politicians still have the sense to understand that they cannot completely collapse infrastructure, health systems, education systems and the economy! So don't even try to equate our problems with the problems of other failed states. We also have democracy as well as free and fair elections. Also keep in mind that these things are not handed on a silver platter to us . Ordinary South Africans fight to keep politicians accountable even if they are not fully accountable.
@@dinaledi4085 free and fair election happened to many African countries the situation of Zimbabwe don't connect it to all 55 countries of Africa. Most illegal immigrants are Zimbabweans everything has it beginning and it's end. If you remember there were a lot Angolans but now is very rare to see even one on the street they all back to Angola so don't be emotional for this temporal predicament other countries going through.
@@feruziwalidi7824 What's your point ? Should we document all illegal immigrants in SA ?
The touch point for me, SA is under duress, unemployment is high, resources are limited
WHO IS TALKING FOR SOUTH AFRICANS?
It's time we face gvt head on. They don't think about us. As long bejabulsa ezinye. izingane. We don't have leadership
Amen
Words of wisdom, very proud.
No emotions just facts.. i love this man.
@@motionenergy808 true that
@@lebogangmoeketsi1614 These people don't know what is coming for them. If I were them, I'd pack up and leave. South Africa is a ticking time bomb as far as illegal immigrants are concerned, especially arrogant Zimbabweans and Nigerians.
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@@motionenergy808 Those are facts not opinions, the other 59 million may have opinions yes.
Victor must be honest & tell us about his businesses in these African countries. Mnangagwa will never pay for these people.
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This is the first person who's said something intelligent, insightful and that actually makes sense about this issue. It is justifiably very angering and very unfair to South Africans to expect them to tolerate this when they themselves are struggling to make ends meet. However to deal with it is going to take clear heads without or less emotions to make any kind of progress. The bill MUST be sent to the Zimbabwean government for the economic refugees crossing the Limpopo who are not recognized by the South African state. The 180k or so people on the ZEP visa are not the actual problem (I know this might anger most people but please hear me out). These people are legally recognized by the state of South Africa, they paid for the visas and they pay taxes like every South African and are actually contributing to the growth and working of the SA economy. Some will most likely have some form of medical aid because they're officially employed or are running SME's. They're also the ones less likely to be committing crimes because SAPS actually has their true fingerprints, pictures and place of last known address so they can be traced and found if they do commit a crime. If anyone should get permanent residence permits, it should be them because they've been paying taxes and haven't committed crimes and this can be verified if need be. Its the hundreds of thousands if not a million or more of Zimbabweans that are undocumented who are the issue and more prone to resulting in criminal activity. To spend money and waste resources and time trying to deport migrants who you know as a government because you gave them visas and have been in your country for 10 years is a futile exercise when you've got millions more who are ghosts and shadows because they're undocumented and/or border jumped.
Here's a thought, and you can tell me if its stupid or not. SA Home affairs can simply say to every ZEP holder, report every Zimbabwean whom they know to be undocumented to Home Affairs. The purpose is not to try and deport them, thats a waste of SAPs and SA Home Affairs time and already stretched resources. Instead it would be to create a verified list of all undocumented Zimbabweans (its verified because the person was reported by a ZEP holder who knows them and can verify where they live and their name) The SA government can then come up with a cost per every person, say R30k or R40k or more per person, because undocumented people are costing the state a lot of money in health care and are taking away jobs from ordinary South Africans that have families to take care of. This list can then be officially sent to the Zim government and the UN High Commissioner for refugees for them to pay. THEY MUST PAY. This could be tens of billions of Rands for the SA government in revenue which can be used to fund the SASSA grants and health care for ordinary South Africans. If the Zim government refuses to pay, then the SA government can simply institute a mandatory tariff or fee on every Zimbabwean man, woman, child, animal, truck and car coming into SA by plane or through Beitbridge border post. Either way SA wont lose. At the end of the day its governments that are responsible for this type of migration, so its governments that should pay for them, ordinary South Africans shouldnt. I know this was very long, thanks for reading and thank you to all South Africans who truly have been more than generous with their country and spaces, you're not crazy to be very angry about this, its not Xenophobic, you're angry because you're being prejudiced economically and its not fair. I know Zimbabweans wouldnt like it if Mozambicans or Malawians did this. I know because I'm Zimbabwean. Lets just not kill each other but instead lets make the governments responsible pay. Instead of looking at an undocumented person as an enemy, look at them as R40k (or more) that their government and the citizens back home in that country to pay for. Criminals, rapists and drug dealers should be shown no mercy though, and ZEP holders can be used in weeding these people out if they're empowered. Nlhanhla lux (whos anger is very justified by the way, it just needs to be directed at the right people and the ruling ANC or government of that time to enforce such a measure) and his movement together with other locally formed SA civic organizations can then be involved in the auditing of the funds coming in and mobilize their people to monitor the verification process and be paid for it aswell. Thanks again my brothers and sisters. Just my two cents in trying to help out and find a way out of this created mess thats not of our own making.
@ Tii Kudzanai , the only thing you said that makes sense is that the 180000 or so are not the problem. The rest is stupid and not practical, you asked us to tell you. 😂
He is being realistic as sending Zimbabweans back home,they come back
Schools fees must be included and municipal fees
it doesnt make sense what you re saying,juc delete
That's was a lot of nonsense I should emphasize! Most of what you wrote holds no water.
So you realise that once SA does documents illegal immigrants more illegal immigrants will be coming to be documented ? And more illegal immigrants will be coming to SA for medical services with the arrogance that their government is paying? You really think that the same Zimbabwean government that is unwilling to provide medical services with the current infrastructure they have in Zim will suddenly turn around and pay for medical services their poor citizens are receiving in neighbouring countries ? Are you serious ? A government that is so uncaring that it will allow a situation where heavily pregnant women make a dangerous journey to cross borders illegally to access medical services in neighbouring countries ! A government with the lowest paid medical doctors probably in the entire world ! That same government will suddenly have politicians who have a conscience to make their government pay for medical services provided to their citizens in neighbouring countries? Okay let's say Zimbabwean politicians miraculously gain consciences and actually make funds available to pay SA , do you think that SA will have capacity to service the entire Zimbabwe and SA with medical services? Do we would have enough hospitals , clinics , medical staff , specialist medical staff , medications , medical equipment and administrative staff to run our hospitals efficiently with that added burden of another entire country's citizens ? What about schools ? We already have hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant children in our public schools . If we document all illegal immigrants in SA right now do you understand that more immigrants will be coming to enrol their children in our already crowded public school system since their government is being billed ? The same questions apply here .... will we have capacity ? If we document everyone we will only cause the same entitlement mentality that the ZEP system caused. Ten years after documenting those people our courts will be faced with legal action where those same documented immigrants now demand to be made permanent residence . It will never end. The more SA gives the more immigrants demand. This joy ride has to stop at some point and maybe that time is now.
This man is wise enough to lead(wise wise man)
Kudos to this man
Who is going to fight for them if they can't go home and Vote for their choice. All they know is to try to fight or to practice their rights in South Africa whereas they don't know what is a right in their Country. They are treated like nothing in their Country .
When your elders were running away from white people in this country to neighboring country countries who were voting back home in south africa. There Is a certain situation that will force you away from home. Your choice is to live or run away from that oppression.
You will understand it once it happens here in south africa. When war starts mo side understands the opposite side. No time to do anything productive. Take an example of Ukraine, can you stand that situation and think to vote in Ukraine or Russia for which government.
@@bintijuda5714What a shame full Country, did you hear the new about killings in our Tarvens ,there's some Soldiers that came to killed our people from outside SA ,just imagine .
@@bintijuda5714 zim is not at war ,u voted for zanu pf ,and the aparteid was defeated by people who where in SA not the ones in outside of SA , stop making excuess because we dont owe u anything
Rubbish what about yr minister and yr evil president man fix yr country yu chase white people in Zimbo shush
Just because someone is a professor does not automatically make him a sensible and wise person. He is only speaking as a professor protecting his profession.He has a lot to lose,he can't speak the real truth...in fact he must keep quiet because he does not even know anything about sharing a space or tussling for resources with the immigrants. He is nothing but a rich man with a full tummy who knows nothing about the poverty of the ordinary citizens. What is he even talking about?If there are hardships around the world,does it then mean coming into a country where the majority citizens are poor a solution. What happens if millions are forced to come into the country everyday since their reasons to migrate are understandable?South Africa must just continue taking people in without a plan to take care of all of them when they're already failing to take care of South Africans.?Well,if that is politically correct,let them do It,but people like Kgomoesoana must start accommodating these immigrants as well,give them peaces of land for them to build shacks or he must just keep quiet because he is blowing a hot air.
Well said my brother. 👌
He must add at least 20 immigrants into his medical aid as his dependents, educate them in the same schools his children are going to and pay for them. He must practice what he preaches before he demands that the poor continue sharing their scarce resources.
These long & porous borders were patrolled in apartheid years. The borders are the same.
ANC has chosen Zimbabweans over South Africans grievances
Remember 2008
Brilliant man this Victor. Should hear more of him please
Dr Motsoaledi should be tough and we could manage with closed borders. As long as they r managed. This guest need to ask himself a question, how come we managed during apartheid with tighly controlled borders. We can still do so even now, nothing stops us as South Africa to close and controls our border.
We can’t manage with closed boarders! Do you know how the economy works and participation in the global community! Y’all are embarrassing
@@zxxxrain8070 we close for people not suppose to be in country illegal and commit atrocious crimes, including killings and rape. At the moment our borders are ajar, anything and everyone comes in.
@@zxxxrain8070 You are talking about trade routes borders are something else.
@@zxxxrain8070 Take your crap talk elsewhere. We had closed borders and our economy was better than it is now. Look how Namibia nad Botswana closed off trdae to protect thyeir farmers. we are let down by ANC and we need them out of power.
@@Tinker8531 are you crazy?
the economy is on its knees and using none existent examples
Which country has closed off trade?
You smoking your socks
South Africa is a mother that can help other children's neighbors only for a short while. Although they cannot stay forever
We also unfortunately have more than enough problems. You're quite right they can't stay forever, even though their our brothers and sisters. It's time for them to fight for their country and we'll join them again after.
More like relatives.
check your facts, none Africans have made SA their home. sad to say Indians as an example.
@@mngcwa Indians were brought to SA by whites 300 years ago they did not came in 1994 like all of you who are crying for staying in SA simple because we allowed whites and Indians to be in SA mxm. those Indians were here during apartheid
@@marvindube3572 they are not my brothers and sisters! Why does every one keep saying this? I can accept they are my African but that's it. If they my brothers and sister then all 53 countries are all our brothers and sisters. No o e els is saying this like Algeria. They the biggest African country why not go there. It's not viable to keep taking care of the rest of Africa. Our own children in SA have nothing, no future. Worst if all it's our ack children. I am sorry but I will turn 10 Zimbabweans away to feed one SA kid.
What a wise man....👍
Sorry Victor we can't and we cannot carry the Zimbabwean difficulties, when are we going to be free, heish umthwalo unzima
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Go to another country's
@@sindiswamomoza7094 Go to another country’s what?
This is the voice of wisdom
What a legend we will need you now and then on our screen,A N C government is confused I feel pity for Aaron is working with crooks.Remember vote next year in Zimbabwe they want Zanu p f to win, the Zimbos in South Africa will not have time to go and vote busy fighting for their rights in South Africa.Poor people will always be their lollipops.Chitando is a Zanu knows to play his cards right.
@Thembi Maseko, you should realise there's something seriously wrong with you when almost all Zimbabweans agree with you.
We want to hear the opinions and voices of the poor and marginalised people who are mostly affected by this situation not a professor speaking from a position of privilege! 🚮🚮🚮🚮
You have already said it, voices of the poor and marginalized, they are poor and they are marginalized, meaning they are at the back of the beyond, so no one will listen to them, and that is reality, in general everybody would listen to a learned person, who is the professor, so I don't understand when you say he is speaking from a point of privilege.
So true 👌
The only wall that will be effective is denying services, paid or not to any unregistered person, make the environment internally unwelcoming to all illegal dwellers and provide care for all documented at a price.
Don't forget that they will get fed up and they will rise and goven themselves.
@@nkosinathindala6862 That is exactly how revolutions and civil wars begin.
Professor you don't know where these foreigners are staying, but we know where they are staying. Finding them is very simple.
yes BT remember they can fight back
The sad thing about Africa ie a rish continent but dololo leaders who can invest all the resources to the african ppl instead we got Hyenas
He says there is no point in chasing ppl out while our borders are porous, but then he is not mentioning the need for a wall to make the borders less porous. Why are we looking at everything else but not fixing the borders?
What kind of wall?
How long and high?
How much will it cost?
@@Dr_Du-Little it would cost much less than it the money of thousands of people that are currently paid to monitor the border, the money lost though the illegal trade, and crime commited by illegal foreigners. The wal would be much more effective in population control for both countries and help Zimbabwe be able to track the improvements it makes or lack of it. It would also help South Africa see the progress they make in helping Zim when I voted to do so
Even USA tried putting d wall but Mexicans are stll entering some things u cant stop them even if you put death penalty
It's all about changing the aproach dan try to prohibit
For example u try to stop kids having sex at young age ...its either dey wl come home pregnant and u wont know who d father is ...or they will escape from home for some days so d solution is to teach dem to have protected sex in dat case u saving lot of resources and avoiding problems ...
Build a wall and people will just make a tunnel
@@allenmarufu9635 the wall actually had a significant impact in reducing illegal immigrants in the US
UN and the AU are not doing enough to solve the crisis of Africa which is dictatorship.
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7:13 I don't take politician seriously. Not when they do campaign or when they have a national conference because I never know what they say and what they mean, and what they are going to do."
There couldn't be a truer statement than that.
There people in Africa, like Victor, who know what they are talking about and have solutions for problems but I wonder why they don't get listened to by people in positions of state management. Thanks Victor for a book extract I read: Africa is open for business.
Mnangagwa will pay that bill when chickens grow teeth! 😆😆
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I disagree with this guest, Dr Motsoaledi has already achieved "strategic success " next is to achieve "operational success " by kicking out Zimbabweans out in June next year, it can be done and will be done
His advisors are letting him down. South Africa can't be concerned about citizens of other countries first before the locals. They have forgotten who they are meant to serve. Zimbabweans won't be voting for them neither will they contribute tax to the country. This guest is talking nonsense.
dudula policies are evil, straingt from the apartheid playbook, the minister is running away from them, so as not to look like Hitler
Nonsense wena msunu kanyoko wena kwerekwere
It was that neo liberals Helen Suzman Foundation who forced them to be lenient, because they threatened to take them to court. . ANC is not our only enemy, its also White buisiness and neo liberals.
@@Tinker8531 should the likes of Helen suzman foundation win , then it’s a “usurping “ of state prerogative to lay down laws of our country, we as South Africans must fight this 1 and win
Powerful perspective 🔥
This man has got Brains we need people like him in positions of power here in Africa .
The difference between an intellectual and some of us...
SANS can fight back in only one way and that is to vote out ANC, do not vote for EFF or DA. SA is being held hostage by foreigners, and neo liberal businesses. SANS need to vote for Action SA.
Why not vote for EFF? And why not vote for DA? I just want to understand your reasons
You cant tell people who to vote for!
@@nkosilathidube3627 go back home to Zimbabwe and advice them how to vote, not here you fool!!!
But you as a cape flats coloured is voting for DA. Please stop insulting us.
You are on point sir
Remember the Arab Spring? South Africa is heading there!
It may seem that way but you could be wrong anything could change.
Here it shall be " African Revolt " not Arab spring
@@philipbanda6637 Arab spring my dear
Yr excellence Dr Victor
Remember there are Ndebelezulu people in Bulawayo Zimbabwe please southafricans don’t kill my people let them leave SA in peace
Even Xhosas and Sothos .. I know many. Also my great grandfather was a Msotho. ... I have Sotho DNA .. even though I am not hundred percent on the language
In addition to that along Limpopo the is Tsongas and Vhendas on both sides who are even related just devided by the lines of demarcation that the oppressor imposed on us
@@sagittariussurge5565Does your statement mean those Xhosas, Zulus in Zimbabwe must come to SA & live illegally ?
Others are making hate decide for them , bless you my friend
There is a context here, help one another. Its not easy when ppl start enriching themselves at the expense of the helper. They will thank us with a bucket of pooh 1 day.
With this one Zimbabwean government will not getaway with this ,,they must pay for their pipul.We dont want to hate each other they are making us do.You making sense more than everyone Bro.
Black Zimbabweans 1oo% land ,but why r u running away fromyour country
Thanxs
This man made so many valid points. I agree with him, we must hold Zanu accountable.
I just wanna know if Zimbabwe will foot the bill Nah?? Will they pay? Can they pay..
The most surprising fact about these analysts is that not a single one of them discusses the problem of the poor South Africans. And they, the marginalised people of SA, are the very people who are going to make or break any arrangement made i.r.o the Zimbo immigrants, trust me. How would you react when you go visit your mother at Tembisa Hospital only to find her sleeping on the floor and an illegal Zimbo occupying a comfortable bed?
This analyst talks sweet nothing to expect Zimbabwe or Mozambique to pay for the hospital costs of its citizens. It has been tried before and for many times and it has failed. It's all very well to sit on a comfortable chair in an air-conditioned studio, and talk like you matter.
People should get this straight into their heads. Relations between Zimbabwe and SA has deteriorated irretrievably. Trying to force integration can only lead to unnecessary bloodshed.
He is not talking about the school places, the health acre and who will be providing jobs when SANS are unemployed.
Gents do not take Victor serious, his main job at university of Limpopo is that of a choir master. His book on Africa is open for business is a pipe dream.
@James Bond, South Africans are wasting their time on the smaller issues when they have bigger problems - are these Zimbabweans not more closely related to your grandmother than the white settlers who continue to marginalise the people of SA to this day and occupy private hospital beds using the money acquired from 85% of the resources that rightfully belong to you? Yet you are not talking about this either instead I find that you are overly concerned with those sharing a small portion on the basis of an artificial border imposed by them meant to achieve such marginalisation through divide and conquer. You see how your mindset is skewed and your anger misdirected? The problem is that you have been programmed to that think you are different people so you think in term of us vs them when you ought to band together - a truly conquered mindset.
Your economy can't survive with unpeaceful neighbors since they are part of your economy. You can't produce amagwinya to sell to your own family. Wha this country produces needs other countries to buy. You think Gold and minerals are being mined for your own to buy? So how do you get forex in. Thats the reason why Zimbabwe is poor since sanctions prevents them marketing with outside world so you cant do nothing without peaceful neighbors. Your trucks are passing in all neighboring to deliver what you produce to create money💰.
@Binti Juta, you did not invent the wheel. Who was buying and selling amagwinya in SA before you flooded our country like flies? In any event, what happens with us after you've left is none of your business.
On the same subject, please explain to us as to who imposed sanctions and against whom? Also, when and why?
Sir u are a man among man l salute u
Well said
No disrespect to the guest but how do you effectively“send the bill” to a country that doesn’t have enough bread in the shops.
I genuinely think these intellectuals, NGO’s and the three branches of government need to sit together in order to find a solution to this crisis
This is the problem with interviewing academics. They speak on theory rather than reality. Dr Motsoaledi is a doctor and has been a Minister of Health. He knows the impracticality of documenting every illegal immigrant that comes into SA . He understands the impracticality of saying all illegal immigrants can use our hospitals and we will send the bill to their countries. How long will we wait for the bill to be paid? And in the meantime how will we be resourcing our health system with these millions of patients from surrounding countries? Where will the medical infrastructure , medical staff hospital admin staff , equipment etc come from ? These types of wietuons should be directed at actual medical administrators and medical professionals rather than political academics .
Solutions come from dialogue. That suggestion is quiet effective if it is implemented effectively. There are a lot of ways to indirectly impose taxes on Zimbabweans and anything that is related to Zimbabwe and that money will be redirected into the economy of South Africa. There is a lot of trade that is happening between these two countries and money thats supposed to be beneficiary to the people and the governments is being pocketed by elite.
True Mr Nkomotswana
As an outsider looking in, how come Botswana doesn't have an issue with Zimbabwean illegal immigrants? Don't they have a long border with Zimbabwe?
Their economy is not really open.
Wow I'm mesmerized by Dr
there’s a smart black man
As far as am concerned it's better for the South African government to tax every foreign national living in SA we leave in Peace so that the tax fees reduces the weight on the local resources.
How are you going to tax a border jumper? The fact that people skip a border to come here for free medication does not tell me that they have the means to pay tax
@@MusehanaH A new method of controlling everything must be implemented into SA .That is every foreign national who is documented or not documented must be given a certain tag of identitification then those who are undocumented must pay a trespassing charge to the government of SA but how ever they must have a true Identitification from their country .
You nailed it cde,,,, They must consult this man seriously,,,, He is a think tank.
It's pointless and senseless to listen to a privileged person on this issue really.
@Saved by Grace certain professor from University of Limpopo. He once engaged in a public debate with Nhlanhla Lux on the same issue,that is when I heard him for the first time.
Wisdom that is unmatched!!! I salute you Sir for your your honest and reality which we face as Zimbabweans. Home is home but when home is hostile, we always ask for help from neighbours.
You guys are not asking for help, you're invading another country and that's wrong
So SANS needs to be held hostage by ZIMS. What you gonna do when ANC loses power, because South Africans are tired of them and their inaction.
The irony of that statement is painfully clear. U can't run away from your hostile home know very well your presence will make the neighbors side to Also be hostile.
@@Tinker8531 no. Not to be held hostage. You are being hush.
@@walterjrwhite7352 very true. I agree with you. And that is going to happen soon and it's reality we all know
A real Dr...
Before sending a bill to Zimbabwe, first check how much tax, both PAYE and sales tax, is being injected into SA economy by Zimbabwe and its nationals. It's not easy to simply send a bill to Harare.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏never heard someone talking some sense like this guy👏👏👏👏well said sir
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The first sober person in the room.
Simple and facts well said,salute .u are much different from all this politicians.
Victor is missing the bigger picture. He has narrowed the issue to just hospitl bills. The main issue here is jobs. Yes they can come back again but they will not occupy those jobs that many of them occupy now with these permits.
Plus education, infrastructure, power supply on this already heavily burdened grid , water supply , safety and security, SAPS personnel and resources , Home Affairs resources etc.
@@dinaledi4085 exactly
The main issue he is trying to put across is accountability the government needs to come up with solutions that put everyone to account locals and foreigners. Once we find measures to account for every person and every resource you will realise that there is enough to spare. Instead the government is hiding behind immigration. If we don't see it in this direction next thing South Africans will be fighting amongst each other for these same unaccounted resources.
@@Pulapula01 South Africa doesn't have resources to spare tor illegal foreigners. Just a few days ago our president was overseas seeking financial aid in the tune of billions of dollars to save Eskom.
NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY CAPE TOWN WANT TO BE A COUNTRY ON ITS OWN EXCLUDING ALL 8 PROVINCES
So that DA can continue apartheid without outside disturbance
Sanctions, sanctions are the problem
Biggest Sanction on Zimbabwe is Zanu pf leadership thugs
Power House of the Brain
The issue is about Zimbabwe leadership which is undemocratic ,people do not have a say hence the country is not progressing.
Bra Vic I understand your passion for Africa from the days of Power FM but you are preaching what you cannot practice. How many in your extended family need an intervention currently from life pressures like non South Africans? Have you done anything like you are saying?
Very wise guy
Wise man ,
1. Legalizing everyone is just not a viable solution. How do we integrate them into our societies without having social ills.its unfair to the poor. The Dr is talking from a vantage point of someone who is very advantaged. Living in an estate welcoming another advantaged neighbor.It can never work amongst people previously disadvantaged, poor and fighting for scarce resources.
2. Some countries will bluntly refuse to pay their bills.
3. Where will those people be accommodated? We have housing issue in the country. The next thing they will want the land we have not even got back from colonizers.
4. The government is not in the business of selling healthcare services boma Mediclinic etc are in that business. They can probably take those immigrants. The government is in the business of proving healthcare to poor South Africans and refugees.
The Zimbabweans are coming to South Africa because they expropriated land without compensation. You want land? Expropriation with fair compensation paid for with taxes. Who pays the most taxes? That or you build a boat. There's no more countries South of South Africa to go beg in
MaNdaba, I wish you were the one being interviewed by SABC. The The Dr is wrong. How can he say Home affairs department must document immigrants on ZEP because they don't want to apply for mainstream Visas. Meaning SA must not enforce its laws. I wonder why these experts don't think of the unemployed youth of SA. They always give preference to illegal immigrants.
People like this Prof should be asked to take on 20 to 30 immigrants as financial dependents. He must put them in his medical aid as his dependants . Let's see if he will appreciate the cost that comes with that . He must also pay for their children's education so that the sharing spirit he is expecting from poor South Africans is shared by every caring SAn citizen like himself. He must put those immigrant children in the same schooling as his own kids and finance it. We can't only have the poor to share their under resources and failing health care as well as education system with poor immigrants. Furthermore he must retire and allow allow an immigrant to take his job or reduce his salary so that 3 to 5 more immigrants can also be employed in his position. We are sharing scarce resources here . The wealthy must also share this burden. We must also demand the apportion parts of land in every single residential estate and complex to illegal immigrants. The same way we keep saying illegal immigrants must be integrated into society. Let it not only be in informal settlements , inner cities and townships . Let it also be in affluent neighbourhoods. If that can be done then yes we can agree to Prof's asuggestion .
@@sellomonama7797 When we document the ones in SA now millions more will come in to demand documentation. Will the Orif provide the admin support and infrastructure for this ? Let alone every other crisis that will arise out of that . Also once you have this inflated Home Affairs labour force how on earth do you monitor and prevent corruption ? Some academics can really shock you.
I agree with his a analysis,like him hate all you like but he is right
This man is intelligence and telling the truth only I wish SADC will come up with something productivity for their children Zimbabwe and South African are sisters and it's a big problem
Do you have lazy brothers and sisters today?I doubt it
@@muzinxumalo2575 guys this is politics I hope we stop fighting and see these with another eye please I just wish we can stop all this nonsense and demand clarity from our leaders
Nothing stopping us to disown Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans as we r not getting anything helpful as ordinary South Africans. The ANC, Zimbabweans and this guest will dwell on South Africa and Zimbabweans as sisters.
We don't want to be brothers and sisters with Zimbabweans. Please
Who is this man with such wisdom, he said it straight without fear or fever, salute to you Comrade
A war between the two will be interesting
Dr,are other african countries share your sentiment?If african can't agree on rotational for presidency?
I beg to differ with the gentleman but on a lighter note please borrow us sans the Zim goverment we will straighten it in straight ,6monthd
Well said sir. The South African government can generate revenue from levies on registration en extension of permits
super ideal
Harsh and inappropriate measures will enrich corrupt Immigration personel .Make it officially easy for foreigners to come to SA but work out how the Govt can benefit from them by getting taxes for instance
Wll come to orania in SA
This the man who knows what he is talking about. Legalize the people, and know them so that you may be able to hold account the government of their original. Otherwise you will be just going in a circle.
You must emphasize with the unemployed youth of SA. Those people are ilooking for jobs in the country. There are no jobs in SA. Imagine south africans competing with foreigners for jobs in the farms. That is to invite chaos in South africa. The only thing that destroyed SA is this thing of not having Refugees camps. You won't here of the so called xenophobia in countries that have Refugees camps.
Motswaledi shud have focused on illegal immigrants not on people tht have been in the system since 2010..just saying 🤷♂️
Well he has his people to think of …we cannot carry you..your entitlement is sickening
See why Mbeki was doing a lot to fix Africa. Doing so allows other practical solutions to be implementable. Truth be told, South Africa will benefit immensely when our neighbours are safe, stable and growing economies.
My question now is: What can South Africa do to stabilize Zim, Lesotho, Moz, eSwatini, Nigeria, Congo, Ethiopia, etc?
South Africa needs to stabilize itself. We cannot be expected to carry the continent.
just have a special visa regime for Southern Africans who wish to do business in RSA
@@zulub.r.u.h7846 even though it’s difficult to carry the continent, we are doing so already. Maybe South Africa should work better.
How about we take our mining expertise to Zim, get the product out to RSA and ship it to the world. Give Zim a portion and we keep the rest. That should help Zim, would it not? It can help Satafricans also. That’s a terrible scheme but it shows what can be done to assist SADC
Let’s be innovative to make Africa better.
Jail is definitely a free and safe place, free food, free shelter, free education, what more do u need coming from a horrible place
Go home United nations will come and help you in your own country
The problem of this country our national discourse is help by Black middle class, the bunch of people who are suffered from social amnesia, the majority of them hired these people and talk nonsense in mass media
Shouldnt Zimbabwe be persuaded to change?There are 5 Athletes at Olympics from Zim but the whole government all 65 is there. Zim is starving
Its the only way forward document them and bill their countries but above that dont support bad governance in these countries, this will reduce presure on yourselves
It looks like Zimbabwe is not expected to do anything about this problem. I'm yet to see and hear a list of things that Zimbabwe is expected to do to hey her people.
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Make it one country solve problem