This is only a theory but Maybe the reason why Your Birds Performed so well when You had that Electric Fence was probably because they were using it as a beacon to guide them straight home seeing that they are able to pick up on Electromagnetic Frequencies.
The best flyer in our area loft was under high power lines he was a champion of champions for years and won everything there was to win sadly he has passed away now but the strange thing is people who had his birds over the years never done as well as he did in fact people used to say you can buy his birds but not the man. Very interesting frank one out of the top drawer thank you
I heard about the copper wire wrap around growing up but never got into the logistics of all of it. I would hear some of the older flyers bring it up but never knew anyone that did it.
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons I am thoroughly enjoying your channel. I have recently come back to pigeons after 30 years out and I'm finding it a very steep learning curve here in the south of England. The raptors make life very difficult.
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons thank you sir I have been using the 80 percent barley and 20 percent breeders mix how should I add the safflower? Thank you in advance
Hi frank , I feed my birds before hampering at around 12:30 pm and catch the birds at around 5pm, without fail some of my birds spew the feed up in the baskets ?? It’s Ben happening all year ,
I'll admit to having never even heard of this. I do, however, know that electromagnetic noise created by electrical equipment is supposed to cause confusion among migrating birds. It makes you wonder if an electric system on a loft or nearby might create a unique signature that the birds can somehow detect and zero in on? As you know, I live in mining country on the Central West Coast. Mineral deposits tend to create strange magnetic anomalies. In my neck of the woods, smash races and disastrous training tosses tend to take place in close proximity to these magnetic anomalies. Last year, I had a disastrous training toss from the town of Gold Hill, Oregon even though the toss was only another two air miles from a site where the team had been tossed FOUR times in the week or so prior. At the time I was basically following a geographic training course to try to teach the team to fly through the river valley here. The Gold Hill toss site should have been in aerial view of the previous training station. When I tossed the birds, they circled erratically for 10 minutes and acted confused. They then promptly took off to the NE and disappeared from view when the course home was SW. Even though they should have been home in 20 to 25 minutes, I finally got the first bird back 24 hours later and the rest over the next 36 hours. Half never returned at all and those I did get back stumbled in tired and exhausted like they'd flown 200 to 300 miles. Total airline distance: a whopping 16 miles! These were not squeakers and the weather was wonderful until late that night when a storm moved in. Another local flier here later told me, "I don't toss from Gold Hill due to past losses". In addition to Gold Hill being named quite literally, it is also the location of a famous tourist attraction: what is commonly called the Oregon Vortex, which happens to be an old mining site where basic laws of physics are known to be distorted or "bent". Google "Oregon Vortex" and you'll see what I mean.
We have areas around me that the fanciers will not train near because the pigeons cannot orientate. You always make great points and there is so much we do not understand about how and why these pigeons home. I have been thinking for years to put an electric fence around the racing lofts again.
@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons It'd be interesting to know if those locations were near known mines or mineral deposits. I've been on one that had such odd geomagnetics that when we put a compass on the ground to determine the strike of the vein, the compass literally started to spin slowly. The Conquistadors used to use what they called a miner's needle to find metallic minerals, and it was basically a compass. If it acted erratically, they often found gold or silver. Earlier in the year, the Western Washington club had a smash race with high losses out of a place called Tri-Cities not far north of me. It just so happens that their release site was just down the road from one of the largest nickel deposits in the country. Meanwhile, our local club had a pretty bad return from a site in Nevada that was near a very large magnetic anomaly and many metal mines. The birds that did return came back slowly, only about 250 to 350 ypm and quite a number straggled in for the next week. The race was so bad that only half the members had birds to fly the next week. The funny thing about these anomalies is that their "pull" is not constant. One day, they can be very active, and the next, not so much. It seems like this might explain why the returns from some of these sites are not always bad, but other times are extreme. USGS have a free map program showing these anomalies all across the country. I've always wondered if the data could be used to some advantage in racing.
I bet this data can be used and it is odd that these areas can change by the day on affecting the pigeons homing instinct. Many years ago if we liberated at a stadium parking lot when the stadium was full of people you could have a bad toss. This was before cell phones.
This year I am keeping track of every toss before my first race., Been going really slow because of my convention birds. I think you can get young birds to the first race with about 20 tosses. If you have more time to train short around the compass even better. With old birds I can get them to the first race starting about 10 days before the first race and only get them out 30 miles.
@@kerbyjackson88 thanks for the kind words .. I feel as a new flyer I'm caught up in methods and being competitive , when I should be focus on learning how to fly and compete. I will keep going ! I'm in to deep lol
@reveraracing4985 I moved over from Rollers after 45 years into racing a few years ago. I found it very confusing and overwhelming for awhile. Almost everything everyone said seemed to conflict with what others said and most of it sounded very complicated, if it made any sense at all. The conflicts involved not only feeding, but also the basics of training. It sounded like convoluted rocket science and for the most part, I was overthinking everything and getting way off into the weeds. Once I found Frank's channel, I said "here's a guy who really excels at this and he lays it out really simply". He was a weedeater for my weeds and cut through the crap. These days, I just watch religiously, watch again, take notes and apply it. I've went from feeling anxious over it to confident and have started to see the results. Others have certainly done the same.
This is only a theory but Maybe the reason why Your Birds Performed so well when You had that Electric Fence was probably because they were using it as a beacon to guide them straight home seeing that they are able to pick up on Electromagnetic Frequencies.
Very possible. There is so much we do not understand about the pigeons and their homing instinct.
It was a great feeling to see you in Mike Ganus video. You are doing amazing job. Thank you for all the great information. Keep up the wonderful job.
Thank you! Will do! Not sure what video you saw. Maybe send me the link. Ganus is one of the very best.
Awesome 👍👍
Thanks
The best flyer in our area loft was under high power lines he was a champion of champions for years and won everything there was to win sadly he has passed away now but the strange thing is people who had his birds over the years never done as well as he did in fact people used to say you can buy his birds but not the man. Very interesting frank one out of the top drawer thank you
Hi Craig, That is very interesting and there is so much we do not understand about pigeons.
I heard about the copper wire wrap around growing up but never got into the logistics of all of it.
I would hear some of the older flyers bring it up but never knew anyone that did it.
I am not sure if it helps but it does not hurt.
So interesting. Thank you Frank
Glad you enjoyed it
Another very interesting theory.
Glad you enjoyed it
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons I am thoroughly enjoying your channel. I have recently come back to pigeons after 30 years out and I'm finding it a very steep learning curve here in the south of England. The raptors make life very difficult.
Sad about the raptors. The game was totally different years ago when they were not an issue.
nice and interesting thoughts :)
Glad you enjoyed
This is amazing , funny thing is I’m an electrician , I’m going to build a high voltage station next to my loft 😂😂 . Thank you for the video Frank .
Good day sir frank what do you think of saff flower?
I love Safflower. I feel I could race to the top if I only had two grains to feed, barley and safflower.
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons thank you sir I have been using the 80 percent barley and 20 percent breeders mix how should I add the safflower? Thank you in advance
On races where the birds are flying more than five hours, day of shipping you can give the birds 50% safflower and the other half 80/20 mix.
Hi frank ,
I feed my birds before hampering at around 12:30 pm and catch the birds at around 5pm, without fail some of my birds spew the feed up in the baskets ?? It’s Ben happening all year ,
I have seen this before with my own pigeons. It is odd but some of the old Belgium say this is a sign of great form. Have you been racing okay?
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons fair to medium , I have better than most in returns , but I know my birds are heavier than most fanciers .
Get the body weight right and you will see such a huge difference in performance.
I'll admit to having never even heard of this. I do, however, know that electromagnetic noise created by electrical equipment is supposed to cause confusion among migrating birds. It makes you wonder if an electric system on a loft or nearby might create a unique signature that the birds can somehow detect and zero in on? As you know, I live in mining country on the Central West Coast. Mineral deposits tend to create strange magnetic anomalies. In my neck of the woods, smash races and disastrous training tosses tend to take place in close proximity to these magnetic anomalies. Last year, I had a disastrous training toss from the town of Gold Hill, Oregon even though the toss was only another two air miles from a site where the team had been tossed FOUR times in the week or so prior. At the time I was basically following a geographic training course to try to teach the team to fly through the river valley here. The Gold Hill toss site should have been in aerial view of the previous training station. When I tossed the birds, they circled erratically for 10 minutes and acted confused. They then promptly took off to the NE and disappeared from view when the course home was SW. Even though they should have been home in 20 to 25 minutes, I finally got the first bird back 24 hours later and the rest over the next 36 hours. Half never returned at all and those I did get back stumbled in tired and exhausted like they'd flown 200 to 300 miles. Total airline distance: a whopping 16 miles! These were not squeakers and the weather was wonderful until late that night when a storm moved in. Another local flier here later told me, "I don't toss from Gold Hill due to past losses". In addition to Gold Hill being named quite literally, it is also the location of a famous tourist attraction: what is commonly called the Oregon Vortex, which happens to be an old mining site where basic laws of physics are known to be distorted or "bent". Google "Oregon Vortex" and you'll see what I mean.
We have areas around me that the fanciers will not train near because the pigeons cannot orientate. You always make great points and there is so much we do not understand about how and why these pigeons home. I have been thinking for years to put an electric fence around the racing lofts again.
@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons Might as well do it. At minimum, it'll keep the cats away.
That is a big plus. The birds relax better when animals are not at our around the loft.
@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons It'd be interesting to know if those locations were near known mines or mineral deposits. I've been on one that had such odd geomagnetics that when we put a compass on the ground to determine the strike of the vein, the compass literally started to spin slowly. The Conquistadors used to use what they called a miner's needle to find metallic minerals, and it was basically a compass. If it acted erratically, they often found gold or silver. Earlier in the year, the Western Washington club had a smash race with high losses out of a place called Tri-Cities not far north of me. It just so happens that their release site was just down the road from one of the largest nickel deposits in the country. Meanwhile, our local club had a pretty bad return from a site in Nevada that was near a very large magnetic anomaly and many metal mines. The birds that did return came back slowly, only about 250 to 350 ypm and quite a number straggled in for the next week. The race was so bad that only half the members had birds to fly the next week. The funny thing about these anomalies is that their "pull" is not constant. One day, they can be very active, and the next, not so much. It seems like this might explain why the returns from some of these sites are not always bad, but other times are extreme. USGS have a free map program showing these anomalies all across the country. I've always wondered if the data could be used to some advantage in racing.
I bet this data can be used and it is odd that these areas can change by the day on affecting the pigeons homing instinct. Many years ago if we liberated at a stadium parking lot when the stadium was full of people you could have a bad toss. This was before cell phones.
How many tosses do birds need before 1st race you think ?
This year I am keeping track of every toss before my first race., Been going really slow because of my convention birds. I think you can get young birds to the first race with about 20 tosses. If you have more time to train short around the compass even better. With old birds I can get them to the first race starting about 10 days before the first race and only get them out 30 miles.
I want to know y fancies put out first fight of racing pigeon please let me know sir I m from india
Not sure why the fanciers would pull the first flight on the pigeon. Maybe they think they will stimulate the molt but that is not the case.
I like your idea,s, but first build a wooden loft.a 80% wood loft then maybe there is some merit.
There is much we still do not understand about homing and how things affect this.
There is proof electricity can make gardens grow like crazy
I have not heard that but it seems electricity has a positive affect on the pigeons
Ya getting more popular for vegetable growers twice as much crop and size.
I quit!
Why?
The bar for training is constantly evolving
@reveraracing4985 I don't know. Frank's methods are pretty simple and a lot of people are being successful with them. Don't give up yet!
@@kerbyjackson88 thanks for the kind words .. I feel as a new flyer I'm caught up in methods and being competitive , when I should be focus on learning how to fly and compete. I will keep going ! I'm in to deep lol
@reveraracing4985 I moved over from Rollers after 45 years into racing a few years ago. I found it very confusing and overwhelming for awhile. Almost everything everyone said seemed to conflict with what others said and most of it sounded very complicated, if it made any sense at all. The conflicts involved not only feeding, but also the basics of training. It sounded like convoluted rocket science and for the most part, I was overthinking everything and getting way off into the weeds. Once I found Frank's channel, I said "here's a guy who really excels at this and he lays it out really simply". He was a weedeater for my weeds and cut through the crap. These days, I just watch religiously, watch again, take notes and apply it. I've went from feeling anxious over it to confident and have started to see the results. Others have certainly done the same.