@Southern Seminary Actually there is scripture to back up this question >>> John 15:24 (Jesus spoke about nonbelieving jews))>> ''If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.'' As we know, the infants would have had no chance of seeing nor understanding any miracles or any teachings, even if it was taught to them ..because they have no understanding...therefore they are not guilty of sin and will be saved
I think this also shows the concept of an age of accountability has a basis in Scripture. “For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings. - Isa 7:16
Children will go to hell if they are of the age of accountability to is around the age of 5-6. But children under that age have most likely not sinned and will not go to hell
God gave me comfort to this 24 years ago after my first miscarriage. I've had 7 or 8. But with my first one after she died. I dreamed she was about 5 in heaven with my deceased grandparents. They never spoke but looked at me waved and walked away. But then she stopped turned to me and waved again. Never thinking that God was preparing me for the other miscarriages. Yes they did hurt but also gave me peace to know they are in heaven with our Father-God. I always joke saying I might not have any on earth yet but I got a whole basketball team in heaven waiting on me.
Thank You. I just lost my son June 4th. He was supposed to be born September 25th. I love him so much! My heart hurts really bad. I will see him again. I will never forget smelling the sides of his neck😇… I was and still am in love with him. Rest In Peace, sleep in peace, nap in peace Royalty Watson. He was and is so beautiful.
You can Trust in The Word of GOD, The Bible that it does make it clear that when a Baby dies, they are taken to be with Him in Heaven 😊 Please Read 2 Samuel 11 and 12 King David and Bathseba and the account of their 1 year old Baby that Died as a result of the Parents Sin and especially David before GOD, and the assurance that God Gave to a Repentant King David 🙏 😊
Your child is home with Jesus. "He is God of the living not the dead" The transfiguration. Moses and Elija showed up from heaven. NOT the grave. They were not sleeping but living in heaven. God bless you Amen.
Few days ago i lost my 3 days old brother it feels empty i can't even imagine what my mother is feeling right now i can't see her suffering and i miss my baby brother so much i want him back but i know he's in the better place ❤
Inari, I am so sorry for your loss. Please know that all is well for your little brother, he is with Jesus Christ and is safe and happy, there is nothing to fear, these guys have it wrong, all little children are protected by the atonement of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 19:14 "Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” According to Jesus' word, your little brother is saved.
If anything, I find so much mercy in this. Knowing that possibly, these children can turn from God when they are indeed in a capacity to reject him, God takes them before it happens and they find themselves only by His grace, with Him ❤️
Listen to what you are saying. As a result of believing in these god myths, you have actually convinced yourself to think that babies dying is a good thing. Can you see how distorted your worldview has become because of this nonsense?
LOL.. wouldn't it be unfair why we are born not the same as infants who died who can be saved right away without so many unnecessary things? I wish I died as infant.
@@terminusadquem6981 So you wished for death as an infant, meaning you think nothing of your life, which you presumably believe was given to you by your god. How completely upside down. You insult your god by being so dismissive of what he gave you. Strange, as you now want to be with him in this mythical heaven place. Contradictory at best.
I know this isn't quite the topic but I just lost both of my parents recently and I believe God directed me to your video. It really has helped me with some things I'm struggling with. God bless you.
@I R O N but Christ shows mercy for the child's sin was not revealed to them yet. Once it is revealed then the child is accountable for what God has revealed to them.
Matt 18:3 (NASB) "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of God." The inference here is that children who die before they really know the difference between good and evil are in the kingdom of God. I agree with this message, and this is another reason why.
I never thought for one moment that God would ever turn away the Soul of any infant still born or indeed aborted because they are still his children and he loves them all too much.
That reasoning is faulty. It's human wisdom. For one thing, they are NOT "his children", they are their parents children. People are not God's children by being born. They are His children by being born again, through faith. And even a fetus IS capable of faith. The concept of the "Fatherhood of God and brotherhood of man" is earthly wisdom, not Scriptural. Don't see God as you wish Him to be. See Him as He is. Scripture does draw that picture for us. Use that drawing, not your reasoning. Because while our reasoning can sometimes coincide with Scripture's drawing, relying on it will eventually lead to a wrong path. The destiny of babies is not even slightly influenced by what we want to happen. It is determined by God's nature. His true nature. Not what we want Him to be.
@@StephanieSomer I think you are right that the reasoning is faulty, because God loves all adults but not all adults will end up in heaven. But you are wrong to say that people are not God's children by simply being human beings. In Acts 17:29, Paul, speaking to some pagan Greeks, quotes a pagan poet approvingly: 'We are also his [God's] children'. In one sense all human beings are God's children, but in another, deeper sense only the saved are his children. I doubt you are right that fetuses can have faith, but your point about not seeing God as we wish him to be is a very good one.
@@maxaplin4204 As you correctly said, Paul was quoting a pagan poet. That pagan was not referring to God. At least, not the true God. If you doubt a fetus can posses faith, then perhaps you have a better explanation than the Holy Spirit gave when He spoke through Elizabeth in Luke 1 concerning why the baby in Elizabeth's womb lept. I'll give a quick synopsis of the event. Mary, who was now carrying the fetal Christ within her, went to visit Elizabeth while Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant with John the Baptist. When Mary got to the door and called out to her cousin Elizabeth, Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking. And the words she gave forth said that the baby lept in her womb for joy. Joy is an expression of the heart of a believer at the presence of God. The Holy Spirit bare record that the fetal John the Baptist expressed joy. So, just HOW did he feel joy? And more to the point, how was he aware of the presence of God in the room? Even more importantly, HOW did he even know who God is, since God can be known ONLY through faith? This event demonstrates like no other that even fetuses CAN know God. God cannot be known without faith, for "he who comes to God must first believe that He is". Therefore, it follows that John the Baptist possessed faith, even saving faith, before his own birth. Didn't even Christ declare, "unless you all come as little children you cannot be saved"? Little children have a very distinct advantage when it comes to faith. They don't balk and doubt like we do. They BELIEVE. The entire doctrine of age of accountability and other such ideas is contrary to what this event demonstrates. So, what happens to babies who die, even before birth? That depends entirely on their faith, just as it does for any other person. My own opinion is that since they've never had the opportunity to experience the pleasure of sin, ( and let there be no doubt, sin IS pleasurable), most would choose God rather than their sinful ways. But that is pure conjecture on my part. God alone has that true answer. And anyone who takes it upon themselves to declare they have the whole truth concerning this issue is deceived. THIS is the picture Scripture paints. If that picture differs from what you think God is like, it's not the Scripture that is mistaken. See Him as He IS, not as you want Him to be.
@@StephanieSomer You have said quite a lot there, too much for me to comment on in depth, so I will limit myself to a few points in reply: First, regarding people being the children of God: In Acts 17:22-31 is Paul's speech to the people of Athens. In v. 24 Paul begins to tell the Athenians about God: 'The God who made the world and everything in it - he is Lord of heaven and earth - does not live in temples made by hands.' So in v. 24 Paul is talking about the true God. Then in verses 25-27 he continues talking about the true God. Then in verses 28-29 he continues further talking about the true God: 28 'For in him we live and move and have our being, as even some of your own poets have said, "For we are also his children." 29 Since, then, we are God's children . . .' Paul quotes the pagan poet in v. 28, but at the beginning of v. 29 he clearly agrees with what the poet said. This passage is an example of what we could call 'bridge-building evangelism'. Paul builds a bridge with the Athenians by highlighting a point of agreement, in this case that human beings are God's children. The fact that the Athenian poet would not have been thinking precisely about the Christian God is beside the point. Paul himself in v. 29 describes human beings as children of God. In one sense all human beings are children of God, but in another sense only the saved are. Being children of God is a metaphorical expression, and this metaphor is used in different ways in Scripture. Second, on fetuses having faith: You are right that the leaping of John the Baptist in the womb is relevant for this issue. But how exactly are we to take this? Is it that JB literally understood that he was in the presence of the Messiah? Or are we to think more that God caused him to leap without a real understanding of why? I accept that prima facie it does more naturally seem to suggest that fetuses can have faith, but I don't think it's as clear you you think it is. On the other hand, Rom 10:17 is difficult for your view: 'So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the message about Christ.' This verse seems to suggest that you need to understand something with your mind and respond to it before you have faith. Nothing in Scripture leads us to think that anyone could ever hear the message of Christ without being able to understand it clearly in their mind. Also, I think experience with toddlers fits poorly with the idea that babies and fetuses can have faith. At the age when children begin to talk, Christian parents need to teach them to trust God. This isn't something that seems to come naturally to them. I am not sure about this issue, but I prefer the view that babies and fetuses are unable to have faith. Third, on the age of moral accountability: I think we can infer this principle from Scripture. In Rom 5:13 Paul says: '. . . but sin is not charged to a person's account where there is no law.' It is true that Paul is talking about adults here, but I think we can extrapolate what he says to babies and fetuses. They are not capable of distinguishing between right and wrong (e.g., Isa 7:16), so presumably they are not under any law. When they are old enough to know right from wrong, they come under the law of God and reach an age of moral accountability. Fourth, on Jesus' words about becoming like children: It is true that he said in Matt 18:3: '. . . unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven'. However, the children in view in this passage are older than babies. In v. 6 Jesus warns people against causing 'one of these little ones who believe in me to fall away'. This implies that the children are old enough to be tempted to sin.
Shane Lynch: I couldn't help myself but intervene to correct a misconception. There are no souls which leave the body and float away to some surreal place. No one goes to heaven or a burning hell. Humans were NEVER created to live in heaven. All these are unbiblical teachings. John 3:13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man. When someone dies, even an unborn baby, they just go back to the dust (Ecclesiastes 3:19,20). These, however, will be resurrected back on earth after God's government (kingdom) takes over the rule of this earth (Acts 24:15). Christians pray for this: Matthew 6:10 Let your Kingdom COME. Let your will take place, as in heaven, ALSO ON EARTH. God's original purpose is that humans populate this earth and live forever on it (Genesis 1:28). This was thwarted by Satan for a short while. But with Jesus' sacrifice (John 3:16) will come to fruition. Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. (Matthew 5:5)
You absolutely laid the right foundation w Abrahams quote. That confidence is an adequate place of rest for God's people (regarding this), and the necessary beginning to all further inquiry in this and many other matters. Thank you!
@@robertgivens9479 people make their own fucking choices, i bet your one of those sad old fucks who go "she was asking for it because of what she was wearing" fuck off, god hates you
@@InitialPC you asked for it.. be careful what you wish for . miserable .. if you don't like what to read. then close your eyes hater.. you probably don't even know anything about God. .liberal
@@tylersoto7465 the bible says to rebuke them that stand against truth and also to be angry and sin not .. open rebuke is better than hidden love proverbs 24 ?
This is how this question is answered: "The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them." -- Ezekiel 18:20 Yes, even unborn and newborns have the sin nature - but there is no direct sin that can be 'credited to their account', and so they are not condemned. Even as David's terrible sin sin was taken away (2 Samuel 12:13), and also the sins of Isaiah, whatever they might have been (Isaiah 6:6) simply by God's choice and grace, so are the sins of babies taken away.
Christ became the curse to redeem us from the curse....So in the New covenant ...there is no more inherited curse... such a doctrine propagated by late derick prince and others is absolute fallacy.
My grandson died in the womb the day before he was born, three months ago today, and I know for a fact that he is safe in Heaven with God. Thankyou Jesus
I'm sorry for your loss.. Your grandson is in heaven. He was too good for this world and God called him back. I know it hurts but be happy for him he is in Paradise with the LORD !!
@@Zedo-Tampa Thankyou for your kind words. I know I will see him again, and his oldest brother (my first grandchild who died in a traffic accident almost 2 years ago, 10 days after his 21st birthday). We've been through/going through a lot of grief . But God has been my strength. God bless!
Thinking that humans who die are living somewhere safe is a comforting thought. However, the bible gives us the knowledeg to really comfort grieving humans. The dead don't go anywhere when they die. They just cease to exist except in God's memory. Jesus called it a sleep (John 1:11,14) Psalm 146:3, 4 Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he RETURNS TO THE GROUND; On that very day his THOUGHTS PERISH. Under God's government these dead will be resurrected and reunited with family and friends on this earth (Acts 24:15). Humans will then get an opportunity to live on earth without the need to die again as was God's original purpose in creating humans (John 3:16). Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Jesus reiterated this at Matthew 5:5.
@@toffeetigerkimba : if God tells us that life doesn't continue when a person dies, we must believe it. There is however, someone who wants people to believe it does. Genesis 3:4 At this the serpent (Satan) said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. Humans died and went back to the dust as God had decreed. Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to DUST YOU WILL RETURN.” Satan has been trying to make God out to be a liar. That is why he uses all sorts of guile to make people believe in something opposite to what God says. Deuteronomy 18:9 “When you have entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to imitate the DETESTABLE PRACTISES of those nations. 10 There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, 11 anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who INQUIRES OF THE DEAD. 12 For whoever does these things is DETESTABLE to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. If we hear voices of supposedly our dead loved ones telling us things, be comforted it isn't the real person who died. Someone unseen is mimicking the voices. All dead ones should be resurrected back onto this earth when God's Government takes over soon. If we are around we could welcome our family and friends. Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
This man is mistaken. We are not born sinners we are born with a sinful nature. The consequence of Adam and Eve's sin was death and this is what we inherited along with the sinful nature thus we all die, not that we are automatically born sinners. We do not inherit the sins of our parents, we are only accountable for our own sins. It is written: The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them. Ezekiel 18:20 NIV
I could be wrong here but isnt death a result of sin? we inherit the sin of Adam not our birth parents. Romans 5: "12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come." i think we can be reassured that our kids/toddlers will make it to heaven by the Grace of God through a gifted faith. John jumped at the voice of Mary. David said he would see his child in the afterlife. God is just so he will do the right thing and He is good to us as he always has been. He will look out for us and our families- as Promised and Always. Do we believe this? If we say kids get to heaven because of age then we will see millions of people in heaven who needed no faith, no trust in Christ, no Grace and would only say i died young. God's grace and mercy will save our kids but by grace through faith in Him who died to save us all.
@@joshua6545 I CONCUR. I TRULY SERVE A RIGHTEOUS, LOVING AND MERCIFUL FULL OF JUSTICE GOD. ASSUREDLY, I SAY TO YOU, UNLESS YOU ARE CONVERTED AND BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN, YOU WILL BY NO MEANS ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. THEREFORE WHOEVER HUMBLES HIMSELF AS THIS LITTLE CHILD IS THE GREATEST IN THE KINGDOM GOD BLESS OF HEAVEN. WHOEVER RECEIVES ONE LITTLE CHILD LIKE THIS IN MY NAME RECEIVES ME. MATTHEW 18: 3-5. MY GOD ALSO DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE "WHOLE" ENTIRE WORLD 1 JOHN 2:2. UNFORTUNATELY MANY PEOPLE WILL REJECT GOD'S FREE WILL OF SALVATION MATTHEW 7 " 13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it" "A FEW PEOPLE WILL FIND IT." WE CALL THAT FREE WILL., IT SURE DOESN'T SAY, GOD HAS SELECTED A FEW PEOPLE FOR SALVATION AND DAMMED THE REST OF THEM, EZEKIEL 18:30-32 “30 “THEREFORE, YOU ISRAELITES, I WILL JUDGE EACH OF YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN WAYS, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD. REPENT! TURN AWAY FROM ALL YOUR OFFENSES; THEN SIN WILL NOT BE YOUR DOWNFALL. 31 RID YOURSELVES OF ALL THE OFFENSES YOU HAVE COMMITTED, AND GET A NEW HEART AND A NEW SPIRIT. WHY WILL YOU DIE, PEOPLE OF ISRAEL? 32 FOR I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF ANYONE, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD. REPENT AND LIVE!” MY GOD DOESN'T TAKE PLEASURE IN THE DEAD OF THE WICKED. GOD BLESS YOU,
Really? So if a child is born of the seed of Satan, who's to say a newborn is listening to God? The seeds of Satan begin as soon as possible, even in the womb.
Great Answers. I had never heard the theological argument from general revelation before. I have always found Jesus statement "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these" as strong support for little children going to heaven. That was Matthew 19:14 and we see that statement in all of the synoptic gospels.
true, i think the argument from general revelation is also profoundly true, because it answers a related question with regard to mentally retarded children; what about mentally retarded children who never grow conscieous of their existence, and so cannot perceive and thus reject the natural revelation of GOD? Very profoundly biblically true
2 Samuel 12: 16-23 this is the account where the child of king David dies and at the end of this verse, David says " I shall go to him, but he will not return to me." ... we know that David is on heaven with God, and so is his child
Falcon but I can have hope, can't I, hope that all will be saved and hope for the resurrection of all? It is the choice of the individual soul whether or not they want to go to Heaven or Hell, and their actions on earth can reflect what they are leaning towards. I don't know how a babies' soul develops, or how much of a choice they have when they die, but just about every baby that hasn't been exposed to evil will probably choose the good. Their innocence reflects that.
Falcon we don't know of the ones who have and who haven't been saved. The hope I am talking about is the hope of the salvation of humanity. Some will (hopefully) be saved, some might not. We don't know. Only God knows that. The Scriptures might say not all will be saved, but we don't know who will and who wouldn't.
Falcon I can like my own things. If I wrote something and I think it's good, there's no harm in liking it. Also the Bible also teaches to have hope. Faith, HOPE, and love. :)
Thank you for having this part of ministry where questions are answered. Its been a ministry that is sorely needed. I even heard of a pastor that after his surmons had a Q&A EXCELLANT ! I want to stand up in church and say "What about....." and wanting to further understand. Once again. Thank You and please don't stop.
You will, jesus Loved the little ones why would they not be in heaven. John 9 :: NIV. As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.
Rest assured that all those who die great and small are in God's memory. He will restore them to their families when the resurrections begin during Christ's reign of the thousand years. For now they sleep in death having turned back to dust. Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 ' Animals as do humans die. They return to the dust. In this instance there is no superiority of humans over animals.' (Paraphrased). There is hope of a resurrection for humans though. These will be reunited with their families here on earth.
@@skander6167 i mean no disrespect here. Yet if Muhammad was a prophet sent from God to confirm the teaching preached by Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and others. Then why if he was confirming them did he not use the same Holy Scriptures as they? Also why was the Quran re-written over 7 times? God never changes why would his word? Again I am asking curiously for knowledge and mean no offense or disrespect.
@@brianb4390 OMG, you are sooooooooo brainwashed, the Quran was never changed, they compared a book from when Muhammad was still alive, and it was identical, you now what? You are an idiot, the POPES changed the bible, it is completely different to before.
i lost my baby july 23, and he was born july 21 i was c-section delivery at that time.That time he was detached to me i was not able to see him. i only heard him cry and the nurse says that he is getting black when he cried so while i was in my bed all i could do is called his name and soothe him not to cry from a far and i ask the nurse if my son have a congenital disease, she only says that need to check him and we need to talk to a doctor. To make it short my husband told that our baby loss his heartbeat, and i cried and beg for him that i want to see my child, i didnt have a chance to see him to feel him. and then when i am in nicu. i saw him lying there naked only wearing diapers with a tube in his mouth. when i talk to him calling baby and his name he open his eyes😢 that is the moment that i will never forget. And then the time they revive him for the third time i was the one who says thats enough just give me my baby i want to hold him now and then he died in my arms. iloveyou so much i will treasure our last moment, just promise me that you will come back again in any form. I and you father will wait for you.
Learning to think critically & theologically regarding the hard questions of life like this one & keeping an open mind along with a humble heart to change one's mind whenever one sees new revelation from the scriptures is key. To hear this man reasoning from the scriptures is refreshing, especially when his reasoning comes from an accurate knowledge of Who God is. And while the sovereignty of God plays a huge part in answering this question, the mercy of God plays an even larger part in getting the answer right for those who need biblical encouragement on this subject. "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right" implies mercy, and mercy, the Bible says, triumphs over judgement. This is a glorious thing that the actions of God reveal something phenomenal about God... namely that He is a gracious God. But arguing for Him to sweep sin & sinfulness under the rug because he's a good guy is not the answer, but rather isn't the answer to this & all questions bound up in the character of God Himself & what the Bible says about His character rather than what men think about His character? This was a great to-the-point video answer to a difficult to-the-point question that many struggle with, not only because they love "little ones" but also because they love God's character which is on the line in correctly understanding this issue. And to hear someone answer from scripture, even when there is no passage that directly refers to the answer, is very refreshing. Because it shows how we all can use the scriptures combined with the character of God Himself to find answers to difficult real life questions without having to speculate from our finite imaginations about who we believe God to be. Hasn't God taught us enough about Himself & His character for us to discern right & wrong, truth & error from the scriptures? I say yes... And, although imperfect as our lives & our ability to reason often are, I believe that's what was accurately accomplished through this video. Kudos...
As I watched this video, the Holy Spirit revealed the answer to me to share it here..Praise be to the Lord >> John 15:24 (Jesus said) ''If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.'' As we know, the infants would have had no chance of seeing nor understanding Jesus miracles and teachings, therefore they are not guilty and will be saved
~Psalms 58;3 the wicked go astray from the womb, they go atray telling lies even from birth. ~ Psalms 51;5 ... I was shapened in iniquity. In sin my mother conceived me. ~Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no not one. ~John 1:8. If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves, and the truth is not in us. These are hard verses to get around as it pertains to mankind/babies and sin. Christians are bound by the words in their book because they have to see every word as God's absolute truth regardless of the topic. They are taught even if God's truth is uncomfortable with the believer, His words are still just.
It's not a really hard question honestly it only takes a bit of common sense. Children do not shoulder the same accountability of sin that able minded adults do...and infants and very young children lack an understanding of right and wrong altogether. We understand this,that's why the law and criminal responsibility apply differently to children,sometimes exempting them altogether. So I highly doubt a perfect and just God would ignore this fact.
@@MountTheodore72 Yes but God knows full well that an infant completely lacks the ability to decide between right and wrong. There's a little thing called accountability,and young children lack that ability entirely. If we understand that ,I doubt it's lost on God. We know that God is just,and is consistent with his character. And a just judge knows when to make be merciful.
Keep this in mind people, I love his last statement “He thinks that God will show mercy.” However, scriptures is silent concerning this matter which leaves us to not speculate and go beyond. Yes, babies are not innocent but sinners by nature. Yes, babies cannot repent/ believe the gospel and put their faith in Christ for salvation . Therefore, our only hope, is to trust in the goodness of God. He will do what is right. Who are we to tell God what we think is good or right for Him to do? God Forbid.
they are not born in this world as sinners, they are born with the ability to sin. its not till you know right from wrong and understand why its wrong is it a sin. James 4;17 says To him therefore who knows to do good, and does not do it, to him it is sin.
The question shouldn't be *do babies go to hell* , but according to the bible, the question should be, *"should babies go to hell?"* Naturally, because of ones compassion, everyone wants to be quick to say "no!!! Babies should not go to hell." But as Christians are bound by the laws of the bible, it is said that by one man sin entered the world. Christians were taught every single person is born into sin. They were also taught everyone is, in a sense, infected with the sin disease. The bible even goes on to say from Psalms 58;3 "The wicked go estranged from the womb, they go out telling lies from birth." Then Psalms 101; 7 says no liars shall tarry in his sight. One's very own bible is the book that damns babies and children to hell. Thas a shame. And if people are truly honest in how the bible reads without trying to twist verses based on one's emotions and see just what the bible is saying regarding human kind and sin, one is left to conclude, honestly, that babies are just as guilty as a full grown adult, and according to one's own bible, babies are equally as capable of going to hell. And sadly people are bound by their convictions. Is the bible truth still?!
I had always assumed that just as there are elect and non-elect adults then the same must be true for infants, but this video caused me to think more about this subject. Sure, infants who die are guilty of original sin just like the rest of us, but they have had little or no time or opportunity to accumulate actual personal sin(s). Surely God being a just God will consider this as he righteously and justly judges all who die as infants, along with the profoundly retarded, vegetables, and other such special cases.
In 2 Samuel 12:23, after King David’s infant son had died, he says, “But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.” I conclude after reading this verse that babies and infants go to heaven. We do enter the world as sinners, and we all deserve judgement, but I think this is where the age of accountability comes into this. James 4:17 says that “So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.” Babies and infants, including what liberals call “fetus” which is really just a baby, are not consciously aware of what is right and wrong because they have not received the knowledge of Good and Evil. Also, Jesus says in Matthew 19:14, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." The kingdom belongs to little children, and he goes in further saying we need to become like little children, gaining the humility they have in order to stand before God with confidence. Hope that helped.
You are correct. In face, Christ’s sacrifice was meant to cover all who sin unknowingly, Christian or not Christian. A person never hearing the gospel is not damned to hell, especially if they would have accepted the truth had it been preached to them. “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.”
A couple of incorrect points, Adams sin is not imputed into the sons and daughters. Multiple verses in Ezekiel state this, the son does not inherit the sin nor the guilt of the Father, and this includes Adam. James 1:14-15 Ezekiel 18:14-21
What a cruel thing to say to those that have lost very young children. That their child wasn't innocent, was a sinner. It's terribly sad, the thought that people who've recently lost a child - get told nonsense like this, and how it must affect them at such a difficult time.
On the cross, Jesus said “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” I feel he meant that for everyone. His grace covers all, but some will choose to reject it. Those that choose to reject Christ’s grace (like Cain-loved Satan more than God) will not be forced to accept it. They choose damnation because they are more “comfortable” there. He gave us all the path to chose, but he’s not going to force the human mind. All children are alive in Christ. For more on this topic, you may check out www.comeUntoChrist.org if you feel so led. “Suffer the little children to come unto me for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.”
Also, this reference here: 1 Peter 3:18-22 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.” He suffered for the just and the unjust alike. He causeth his rain-a symbol of His grace-to fall on the just and the unjust. Those that knew not the gospel will have it preached to them in spirit and will be given the choice to accept or reject it. Some will reject, and some will move into the paradise of God where they await their resurrection, just as the man on the cross who asked Jesus to remember him. I can’t believe that some Christians think that God would damn to hell someone who he caused to grow up Bhuddist or Muslim or some other non-Christian religion. That doesn’t sound like a just God to me. It doesn’t sound like a merciful one either. But I know God is just AND merciful and that he suffered for all mankind who would repent and confess His name. He has a plan prepared for all His creations, for he has prepared a mansion for us all. He said he did.
The catholics told mothers who lost infants before being christened that they were in hell. Filthy bloody religion why anyone bothers with it is beyond me ..........the words in the Bible were written by evil men to frighten an control people .......what a shame people are still frightened in the 21st century.. Rid yourselves of this religious filth, all religion is bullshit.
@Brad Roberts YOU SURE MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THE GOD OF THE HOLY BIBLE HAS A SEVERE DISSOCIATIVE DISORDER. IF THE DEAD DON’T IMMEDIATELY GO TO HEAVEN HOW DID MOSES AND ELIJAH APPEAR AT THE TRANSFIGURATION SPEAKING TO JESUS. AREN'T THEY WAITING FOR THE RESURRECTION? WHEN A CHRISTIAN DIES HE/SHE IMMEDIATELY PASSES INTO THE CONSCIOUS PRESENCE OF CHRIST IN HEAVEN, BUT WHEN THE DAY OF RESURRECTION ARRIVES, HE/SHE WILL BE GIVEN A NEW AND GLORIFIED BODY IN WHICH ALL OF GOD’S PEOPLE WILL LIVE AND FLOURISH ON THE NEW EARTH ( REVELATION 21-22). GOD BLESS YOU.
This is a hard question. If it's the case that unborn children and infants go to heaven that just gives rise to two other questions: when is the cut off point i.e when are infants old enough to understand special revelation and so not be covered by this direct entry into heaven? Secondly, does this apply to mentally handicapped people as well? It is also difficult to think about those who have never heard the gospel because although they have God's general revelation without His special revelation they also are not able to believe but I think it's risky to start saying that some people can get into heaven without believing in Jesus by a backdoor method.
Actually there is scripture to back up this question >>> John 15:24 (Jesus said) ''If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.'' As we know, the infants would have had no chance of seeing nor understanding Jesus miracles and teachings, therefore they are not guilty and will be saved
@@reformedwretch2071 Not saying I disagree with you, my first reaction was the same as you but then I read again and paused. Could you explain why, centering on this part " they would not be guilty of sin" Thanks.
Dant e: John 15:24 is in relation to the Jews, not humans in general. Jesus’ miraculous works, in effect, convict those who hate him, as he notes: “If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have both seen and hated me as well as my Father.” Thus, as Jesus says, the scripture is fulfilled: “They hated me without cause.” When people die, all their sins are erased, (Roman 6:23). They lie in the dust awaiting a resurrection under God's government. Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. I trust this clears things up.
@@tongakhan230 To be honest now that I look back at the comments I can't honestly say what I was thinking at the time to pose the question I did, I don't think it was in relation to what you've just tried to explain. At a guess I'd say I was wondering why the notion that babies are innocent of conscious sin isn't supported by the same scripture even if it isn't directly related to it in the full context.
Amen, well said. But what about adults or teens who have mental issues from birth, my daughter is 14 but due to birth complications she still thinks, reasons and behave like a 2 or 3 year old.
Long story short: in the year 2000’, I had my first born son and 8 days later after birth he passed away from a medical condition. Back in those days I was a young teenager lost in the World,deep in the streets Hustling, and many more other things that blinded my walk with God. Fast forward eighteen year’s later(2018’), I am a Christian now Saved by Grace, and humbly gave my life to Christ wholeheartedly in 2012’. So I have this work injury and I get a major back surgery on my spine in 2018’. They put me to sleep for the 5 hour long surgery and here’s what happened next…. I remember first waking up in the Spirit.. I couldn’t see my body, my vision was similar to a GoPro vision (P.O.V.) while looking out. The very first thing I seen from my perspective was tall glass buildings like mansions that had a bright sparkle like diamonds 💎 to it. It seemed like the buildings never ended in height. I was in this street looking around and saw everyone walking around in bright white robes of some sort. The streets where Gold but a different type of gold from earth… from a distance the gold seem to vanish and looked like wet liquid gold on the road/streets. Something stunning like a mirage. As my vision started to move away from the City I woke up to, I noticed there was around 6 kids riding bikes following me, and one particular kid that was closer to me then the rest of the other five kids. As I got out the city, everything around me reminded me of a beautiful paradise of never ending hills,trees,and bright green grass. As I came to the end of where I stopped, the kid closest to me was in my face now about 2 feet away and I could see his face,skin color,height,and body form. It was my first born son who passed away in 2000’, he was a mix of my two sons that came after him and that are alive today. He was around 10 years old now,and had a never ending smile I will never forget. He never talked to me, but I felt his energy and his mind maybe through telepathy tell me he would see me again one day and to never worry for him again. I woke up post surgery right after and remember telling the nurse where is Eric at? The last thing I seen was his smile in Heaven that resembled my brothers smile so I woke up to remembering that and the nurses didn’t know what I had just been through. I believe God gave me a vision into my sons life in Heaven, this is what the Bible states that can happen in the Believers life. I was in tears for two weeks straight when this happened, I’m thankful for God and if you have lost a child, you will be reunited again when God calls you home.♥️
Those type of verses Christians want to stay away from. They are confronted with a disturbing truth when it pertains to this particular topic. The bible blocks them in with uncomfortable truths.
@jlhaws115 hey thanks for responding to the comment. But doesn't the verse say who He (The Holy Ghost) is referring to? " the wicked go astray as soon as they be Born" as soon as you're born you are a what? A baby. The gentleman in the video said " we can trust God to do what's right" then we have to trust God to do what's right even when we think He's wrong. I'm not saying I want babies to go to hell. Our that I support abortion. But we don't know what a baby could grow up to be. Only God knows. The Bible says "his ways are higher than our ways his thoughts are higher than our thoughts" remember God ordered Israelites to kill whole nations women and children. Why? Because He knew what they would do when they grew up.
The Bible is referencing that as a human you are born into a sinful and wicked nature. If u wanted to disregard the true meaning of that scripture, then common sense also tells us that babies are not born with the ability to talk immediately, therefore they surely wouldn't be able to lie. All babies and children go to heaven until they are at the age of accountability. There is no set age for that, instead the ability to have a conscience to know right from wrong. And yes we as Christians do have to trust that our God is always right!
@@dezdaking This guy shouldn't be doing videos, he has no idea what the Bible says. The answer is in the Bible, if you are interested in the truth, ask and I will tell you where to find it.
I was married but am now single and have been so for over 20 years. I have no desire at all to be married again. Is it ok to be a Christian and single? I've not heard too many sermons on singleness and all of what comes with that.
Great arguments. Thank you! I would also add that it shows that God's gift of eternal life truly has nothing to do with me, as God saves those who die before they can understand acceptance. I take away from God when I claim to have any part in my salvation.
Janna Medina ...for it is God who works in you to will & do according to His good pleasure. Isn't the work of God inside all we do that is good, the most intimate phenomenon? I think so...
I can agree with this Pastor that children were born sinners but they have no idea to extend their thoughts about the Word of God. Therefore Lord God will extend mercy upon them as compared to a grown up man. Thanks and God bless you, mr Pastor. Amen.
@@angelwarrir545 why? So you can ask god to change his plan just for you? Why would someone do that? Its the equivalent of saying, "hey god, I know you know everything, I know you've a plan for all of us - but can you change it please? Cos its not ideal for me. Thanks".
I was assaulted by a stranger as a young girl and I ended up having a tubal miscarriage, my mom considered it a blessing, in 1993 I had a tubal miscarriage (twins) my mom told me maybe there was something wrong with my babies or maybe this is God's way my husband and I took it emotionally hard
The problem with this, is a very common one. People fall in love with the idea of Christianity- peace, love, happy clappy stuff. After they have crossed that line, they then actually read the books, and realise very quickly that it isn’t what Christianity means at all. They spend the rest of the time trying to square that circle. Of course the direct answer to the question, as with many questions, is uncomfortable and unpleasant. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that what this guy is giving as an answer is in any way correct. That’s because it isn’t. Everyone goes to Hell, according to what he believes in. It’s self justifying and self serving to claim anything else, because it just isn’t true. Live with that.
So, looking at it strictly logically (I’d like to believe that infants, who haven’t had the opportunity to receive the word of God, will go to heaven, but playing devils advocate): The example with David that you’ve pointed out is merely a hope that David had. God didn’t tell him that he’d be reunited with the infant, he simply hopes that it’d be the case, or rather, he believes it. Furthermore, from the case of simply saying “God will do the right thing”: God will do what is right by God’s standards, which apart from the direct instructions for how to live, are beyond our comprehension. Anyone who claims to know exactly what God sees as right is foolish, as we have no way of seeing through His eyes. While we can infer based on history what He decides is right, we do not definitively know what God’s judgement is like. We are, after all, imperfect, so hence our view of justice that isn’t clearly outlined by God, is imperfect. And, logically following the statement that man inherits the sin of man at conception, infants thus bare the same sin, and are not absolved without first accepting Jesus into their heart. While we might see that, an infant or fetus that hasn’t had the opportunity to do so is unfair, well, I’m certain there are other things we’ve as humans perceived as unfair, but just in the eyes of the Lord, which can never be wrong. I certainly am willing to listen though, for more concrete theological arguments, beyond just hoping that our view of justice aligns with God’s. And I’m not claiming to see things through the eyes of God either, I’m merely pointing out what, from my perspective, is a flawed argument.
The Holy Spirit lives! And lives in us ! If Jesus is in you ! Jesus referred to us as having to be like children ! Of course they live with him ! And he in them ! 😇
If that would be the case, then heaven will be filled with children. Actually not all children will go to heaven. Psalm 37:28: "For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved forever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off." 1 Corinthians 7:14: "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy." So Paul is saying that if someone from the family is a believer all the family is sanctified through that person, but that doesn't mean that they will be saved. God will give them the opportunity to be saved. Now the little ones who don't know right from wrong they will be saved based on the parent's faith. If both parents are unfaithful, then the children will not be saved, it doesn't matter if that child is innocent. That's why in the Old Testament God said to kill everyone from Canaan.
Once again, this point is unlikely to remove every concern from the mind of the modern reader, but we must add another dimension to this issue. If we ask whether it would be better for God to allow children to grow up in such a perverted culture and religious system or to bring their young lives to an end and gather them to Himself, we begin to see that what happened to them may not have been the worst option. Even as we consider this, however, we are on dangerous ground. Only God can make this kind of judgement, since He alone possesses all knowledge and wisdom. Our finite minds are incapable of understanding every dimension of such a dilemma. Like Paul, we must acknowledge that God’s judgements are unsearchable and His paths are “beyond tracing out” (Romans 11:33).
For George Once again, this point is unlikely to remove every concern from the mind of the modern reader, but we must add another dimension to this issue. If we ask whether it would be better for God to allow children to grow up in such a perverted culture and religious system or to bring their young lives to an end and gather them to Himself, we begin to see that what happened to them may not have been the worst option. Even as we consider this, however, we are on dangerous ground. Only God can make this kind of judgement, since He alone possesses all knowledge and wisdom. Our finite minds are incapable of understanding every dimension of such a dilemma. Like Paul, we must acknowledge that God’s judgements are unsearchable and His paths are “beyond tracing out” (Romans 11:33).
For George Once again, this point is unlikely to remove every concern from the mind of the modern reader, but we must add another dimension to this issue. If we ask whether it would be better for God to allow children to grow up in such a perverted culture and religious system or to bring their young lives to an end and gather them to Himself, we begin to see that what happened to them may not have been the worst option. Even as we consider this, however, we are on dangerous ground. Only God can make this kind of judgement, since He alone possesses all knowledge and wisdom. Our finite minds are incapable of understanding every dimension of such a dilemma. Like Paul, we must acknowledge that God’s judgements are unsearchable and His paths are “beyond tracing out” (Romans 11:33).
@@gabrielacristea1648 Esti romanca? Anyway, we truly don't know the mind of God, His ways are not our ways, but for God to take all the children to heaven, that would be unjust for them because God would not have given them a chance to choose if they want to or not, I'm thinking of what that child chooses when he grows up. God knows what that child grows up to be, a good person or not because He knows the future. So I don't believe that all the children will be saved. Besides, think of all the millions of children that are killed every year through abortion, are they all going to be saved? The answer to that question will be answered when Lord Jesus comes to take us home at His second coming. Now, why do I say that not all children are going to be saved? We have examples of christian families, both parents obedient to God and their child chooses a different path that leads to death, even though he was raised in Church basically. On the other hand, we have families that have nothing to do with God, but their child chooses the right path and will be saved. God is just in who He chooses. I'm sure that many people from church that we look up to will not be saved and many that we thought that they had no chance of getting to heaven will be there because God judges the secret man of the heart not by appearance like men do. Doamne ajuta, God bless.
there is direct scriptural evidence that children are not lost; in Matthew 19, Mark 10, and Luke 18, Jesus says to suffer the little children to come to Him, for of such is the kingdom of heaven...thats 3 witnesses in the sense of 3 different accounts, plus the fact that it is from the mouth of Christ whose words are sure He compared children to the people who are in heaven, or rather He set up children as a standard for the saints to aspire to...yes all babies and young children go to Heaven when they die
Alright I'm up to 4 minutes 50 and so what you're telling me is I was better off dying as an infant then possibly living a life of sin is this correct? Because it sure sounds like it
the truth is? nobody knows. I asked this during my conversion process, even asked about animals and if they get a chance of a new life in a better place. Nobody knows, they might go on about it like they think they know....but they dont know.
@@robraver Calvinism: election and reprobation are unconditional. Unless you're a child of an elect parent. Or you just die before some unspecified age. Then you are guaranteed to be elect. But other than that, it's unconditional.
I am glad to finally see someone expound on this question using Scripture and not their own understanding, as most people do. I have argued with people for years over this. Most repeat the usual, "God saves them because they are innocent", or "they have never sinned", or "they can't understand the Gospel". And as you point out, none of these is relevant to the question. Most people I have argued with over the years have concluded that I hold babies go to hell. And that isn't right either. One Scriptural passage I would suggest people consider in this vein is the visitation of Mary to Elizabeth. Luke tells us that when Mary entered the house Eliabeth was immediately filled with the Holy Spirit and began prophesying. In the course of that prophesy she says that the baby in her own womb "lept with joy" at the greeting of Mary. So, according to the Holy Spirit's words through Elizabeth, the fetal John the Baptist not only could feel and express joy, he also recognized the presence of the fetal manifestation of God in the room. So, a fetus IS capable of relating to God. That being so, isn't it possible that a fetus could refuse that relationship? I would say yes. However, having never been exposed to the expression of their inherent sinful nature and the pleasure it CAN give, I would guess that they'd have very little reason to refuse God and the relationship He offers. So, do I believe babies go to hell? I can only answer "they can if they choose". They are saved on the same grounds as we all are. Do we accept or refuse the light we have been given? "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil." The condemnation isn't a result of acts of sin. It is a result of refusing the light we are given.
Stephanie Somer: Jesus paid off the penalty imposed on Adam. John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. Humans now have the right to live forever on this earth which was God's original purpose. Those dead will be resurrected back on earth (Acts 25:15) All this will happen after God's government (kingdom) takes over the rule of this earth (Matthew 6:10). Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. (Matthew 5:5)
@@tongakhan230 I am well aware of that text. If you look closely, that was the same text I used. The only difference is I quoted the end of it while you quoted the beginning. However, nothing whatsoever in that text indicates a universal salvation as you are describing. While it is correct that Christ died for sins, what you are missing is that according to the rest of the passage judgement is now on the basis of accepting or rejecting that sacrifice for their own sins. Christ Himself declared that few will ever do so. So, only few will ever reach that goal which you describe. MOST will be eternally rejected and be cast into the lake of fire.
Stephanie Somer: Church members use the word salvation without having a clue as to what it really means. Most think it is life in heaven. The bible promises everlasting life on earth, not in heaven. That was God' original purpose. It was thwarted by Satan for a time but will come to fruition soon after God's government takes over the rule of this earth and restores paradise (1 Corinthians 15:20-28). If Jesus paid the price for Adam's disobedience, all Adam's progeny are removed from the curse of inherited imperfection leading to death. (Romans 5:12,18) How will Abraham, Moses , David and others get life if they had to put faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice? They died long before Jesus did. That is where the resurrection comes into play. The lake of fire is total annihilation from which there is no coming back. No resurrection. (Revelation 20:14,15).
@@tongakhan230 Annihilation means complete destruction or obliteration. You are saying essentially that those cast into the lake of fire cease to exist. And that is absolutely contradictory to SCripture.
Stephanie Somer: With respect. That is what most have been made to believe. Few check the scriptures. Revelation 20:14 And death and the Grave (Hell) were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. Death is a condition. The Grave (aka Hell) is a hole in the ground where the dead go. How can these be tortured or burned? It just means 'ended', 'no longer exists'. 1 Corinthians 15:24 Next, the end, when (Jesus) hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the LAST ENEMY, DEATH, is to be BROUGHT TO NOTHING. How is death brought to nothing? It ceases to be a part of humans. Humans get everlasting life (John 3:16) (Revelation 21:3,4).
Given something like half the people ever born have died as children, that means all those individuals got a golden ticket to Heaven? Consider what this alone means to this supposed divine all important test we're being make to take. Take ten people born a couple of thousands years ago, something like half of them would have died young, and got automatic entry into Heaven... Instead have those ten people born today? None probably would... How is this fair? How is it right that you can end up in Heaven or Hell by so much luck? And let's not even start on what religion you happen to be born into, depending where/when you're born. And as for "the love of God?" Needless/pointless childhood cancer - Why did God invent that needless vindictive blite? Excuse away as usual...
If that is the case, one can't fault fearful parents not wanting their children to grow up in a sinful world. So the parents decide to kill their children while they are in their innocence, knowing heaven will recieve them. One can't blame a parent for such a heinous act if that is the belief that heaven takes all dead babies/children.
So... Did the children put to death during Joshua's conquest go to Heaven? You have some major problems with your theological reconciliations here in this video. Maybe Sheol, where they have the opportunity to see and believe in Christ? Or, you think babies in the OT automatically bypassed Sheol? Makes no sense, especially when it was called Abraham's side and Abraham was there.
I think this question falls into the category of God (the only Judge) gets to decide. Scripture is not clear. Lots of very challenging philosophical questions come up. On the one hand David says that in sin did my mother conceive me. And the Bible says that in Adam all die....so there are reasons from those verses that they might not be innocent and automatically going to heaven. Then again the Bible says in Revelation that the dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.....its hard for a baby to have done much (other than original sin). At the same time, and this is where the questions get difficult; are we not then making abortion doctors heroes if we conclude that all unborn babies go to heaven.......I mean if most people go to hell (small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life and only a few find it), then abortion would then be more effective a means of saving people then the cross of Christ. And, if were predestined, like the Bible, seems to teach, for eternal life; then why would we ever get aborted.....why wouldn't we be protected by guardian angels until we come to faith in Christ.....the bottom line is God, who is the only Judge, will get to decide. Certainly not for me to make that call.
I think you're right… The salvation of children (which seems fairly obvious in Scripture to me) would make abortion more effective than the cross from your point of view. Not exactly a powerful view of the Almighty in my opinion. Moses 1:39 tells us exactly where God finds glory and it is through our salvation (our eternal life.) That's a lot of glory for God to lose with most people in hell! Answer can be found in First Timothy 4:10 "That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe." So God is going to save all people according to the Scripture but especially the believers. How does this work? In revelations we are painted with a word picture of a crucible just as was done many times in the Old Testament. The sins of the people and their torment will burn off and rise into the smoke, separated from them. It's no coincidence that crucibles in ancient times used sulfur to purify gold in a container of fire. If it is a literal lake of fire that we sit in for eternity and eternity (Aion does not mean eternity by the way, it means an age) why include the sulfur in this allegorical word picture? Is it because the pain of fire is an enough and it has to stink as well? This assertion is ridiculous. Sulfur was a component used in crucibles to purify gold. Every knee that bows and tongue that professes shall be saved and guess what everyone will do after the rapture? Every knee shall bow and tongue shall profess. If God's glory is the salvation of man and God will be made all and all (First Corinthians 15:28) Then he will have complete victory. This is why the cross is far more powerful than an abortion Dr.
Scripture is very clear, just stop listening to this guy, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Read Ecclesiastes chapter 12 vs 7, this tells you what happens to everyone at death.
As it relates to Dr Schreiner about babies when they die..what about young children? At what time does God determine they become accountable for their sins?
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge Excuse me, but just a reminder, your bible says that (Romans 3:10) There is *none* righteous, no not one. (1 John 1:8) If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us. At what point is one innocent if everyone is born and shapened in iniquity, according to the bible.
Serious question though: to the "will God always do what is right?" "Right" in OUR eyes, or His? If His ways are greater and beyond our understanding, is it plausible that He believes it is RIGHT for all to be judged for sin, that even newborns are condemned in original sin? This is worrisome for me. And for the opportunity standpoint: what about people who have never had the chance to hear the gospel? Aren't they condemned even though they also had no opportunity? And if they ARE innocent as well because of the lack of opportunity wouldn't it be counter-productive for anyone to have ever spread the gospel if ignorance of it would have kept us safe from Hell?
I'm wondering if that doesn't answer the question of whether or not children are born inherently good or evil? it seems as if it does, but it is hard for me to see evil in babies. they seem so perfect, so happy, so purely good!
Andreea • we’re not judging that baby and saying “you deserve hell cause you’re a sinner” it’s more so like, babies are humans and all humans are naturally sinful. However babies haven’t actually committed any sins yet, but their nature as humans is sinful and not perfect. The only perfect one is God.
He forgot to tell us. Will the babies be in heaven live as a babies? Well, that would be suck to me. Plus, if someone could be a hero by killing babies (as painless as possible) to prevent them to go to hell then he would be a hero that be send to hell by God. He would be a "sinner" but a hero nonetheless to those babies. Those babies in heaven will then think: "Ah thank you my hero for saving us from God's crazy unnecessary game." But i wish i could've saved you from hell, said the babies as they cry in heaven for the hero. How am i gonna enjoy heaven with people suffering in hell. I would be a crazy person. :( Ofc i don't consider killing babies is heroic, but in God's fucked up game it sounds like a heroic thing to do, to kill those babies and prevent them for sinning and going to hell. Technically the baby killer completely remove the chance of someone going to hell to 0% if this was how the game system work like this guy said. Instant heaven who doesn't want that. The babies are like: "fuck god's test, who needs that? we just avoid it by luck, hehe."
I think your comments are absolutely brilliant. I do also think that this comes into account where mentally handicapped people and even people or other children who do not understand the concept of sin is it Genesis states will God not do what is right? Of course. He would never send to Hell those who do not understand the concept of sin again, infants, children to sit knowledge, I’m not sure it’s called the age of accountability any people use For example, if I asked a three-year-old what is sin, he or she would generally believe not know he or she may know the difference between right or wrong, don’t touch the stove because it’s hot and it will hurt you but their understanding is limited to that sort of right or wrong behaviour. A child of that age, perhaps would not going to intentionally stab something to death circumstances where one might, but that’s going down a chain of psychological issues that is not in issue here. What we are discussing. I genuinely believe is about the knowledge of sin. Therefore, how can we say that an unborn infant has KNOWLEDGE of sin, no, and again with the severely mentally handicapped. Bless you
James 1:15 says that sin is the result of desire conceiving. In other words, being born a sinner doesn't actually make you condemned for sinning -- as alleged at 1:10 (without any scriptural substantiation). Like Adam & Eve who both desired to know good and evil & yet were not guilty of sin until after they ate the forbidden fruit, none of us are guilty of sin until the moment in which our desire to sin is conceived in an act of sin. This is corroborated by Romans 9:11 that explicitly confirms the unborn are incapable of doing anything good or bad. James 2:17 indicates that this same principle applies in the opposite direction of saving faith as well. Saving faith is not born until the moment in which our faith is conceived into an act of faith. Therefore, babies are indeed innocent even though they were born sinners. But regardless of what theological justification it takes to get there, the fact is that God is good and we can trust Him -- especially with our most vulnerable and beloved & if any of these suffer injustice, God will not be mocked and He will repay.
I'm a christian and i still struggle with this passage, i know the one thing to remember is that God is Just and righteous and he does things with a plan beyond what men can comprehend. The reality is we still remain in a state of uncertainty, i say that because we're only making an inference when referring to this passage. The preacher said it himself, David is HOPING he would be reunited with his son. Although, David was a great men of God even he didn't know if he would actually see his child again. I don't know it's just something to think about.
My two year old baby girl drowned in a pool at the babysitters house that was just chemically treated. She was in there for 30 minutes before they found her. So not only did she ingest the poisonous chemicals, she drowned. My two year old SUFFERED horribly!!!! Why would God allow that to happen? Why would an all knowing God even bring her into the world KNOWING she’d have to endure that???? And then create the domino effect of pain throughout me and my whole family??? Bring her into the world just to take her out two years later KNOWING that would happen?!! I need answers.
First, my condolences and Lord have mercy on your great pain. I'll pray for you to evercome such a tragedy. Be sure God is the fountain of justice and your child is in his Kingdom were suffering doesn't exist. Second, God gave us children to take care of them, even though tragedy may happen, because this world is not paradise, but the result of human rebelion against God in Genesis (Adam & Eve). Your child was to be protected to avoid harm by accident. Certainly the babysitter has the guilt on this tragedy and God gives us free will to act properly by choice, so let's not blame God on humans faults. Trust in God and His mercy, who will hear your prayers along with your heavenly child. ☦️
I think this was a good explanation of the issue. Remember when Jesus said, "It will be more tolerable for Sodom & Gomorrah...than it will be for that town". It doesn't seem God's judgement will be "one size fits all", even though ALL are sinful. Let's give God's judgements, righteousness and mercy at least as much credit as we do for ourselves when we question this issue. Even righteous Job was really more concerned with maintaining his integrity...than he was of God's integrity in his sufferings.
Matthew 18:6-9 6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
joseph jackson: Jesus was referring to humble ones not babies. Humble ones search for the truth. Those who put stumbling blocks to stop them are whom Jesus was referring to. Every human is precious in God's sight. Even an unborn baby. Exodus 21:22 “If men should struggle with each other and they hurt a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but no fatality results, the offender must pay the damages imposed on him by the husband of the woman; and he must pay it through the judges. 23 But if a fatality does occur, then you must give life for life, All who die should be resurrected to live on earth under God's government. Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
joseph jackson: Nice to think so. But babies cannot be stumbled. The bible has a hope for those who die. They won't float around in some surreal heavenly abode, but be resurrected and enjoy everlasting life here on a changed earth. Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. (Matthew 5:5)
This kind of discussion is made exponentially more difficult by a widespread misunderstanding. Christianity is not a _"go-to-heaven-when-you-die"_ religion. It is a _"resurrection-from-the-dead religion."_ Nobody goes to heaven. Not when they die, not ever. ✴ _The highest heavens belong to the LORD, but the earth He has given to mankind._ (Psalms 115: 16, BSB) ✴ _The righteous will inherit the earth and dwell in it forever._ (Psalms 37: 29, NAB)
Then you believe works can save you...Jesus came for the sinner. Repentance is just that...being saved....sinning and then asking for forgiveness and trying not to do it again.
The Dr's thought, the lawyers thought, the elders thought, the high priests thought they knew. Until Grace appeared! And they had know clue. They only had the law which is Holy but it was uncompleted until the full volume came in flesh to explain and to preach and to heal and set captives free and save us in his Journey. Listen when we die the body sleeps. But our spirit man lives. Remember that people of God. He simply loves you and is in love with you your children your unborn your babies and even big babies like us.
@Southern Seminary - Thank you for the efforts to answer a very difficult question in the light of The Word. It is indeed it a heart cry of many. So does this explanation includes/excludes death of an infant or miscarried or aborted babies of unbelieving parents?
The topic here is not only babies but toddlers who still doesn’t understand sin so until they know what is sin and understand what it is, they are innocent. I believe the same goes to mentally retarded individuals.
Humans in every stage of development and life will have bad things happen to them. That is because Adam passed down imperfection to his children by breaking away from God's rulership. Romans 5:12 That is why, just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned To pay off this penalty God sent his son to die. This releases all Adam's children from inheriting this stain of imperfection. John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. (cf Romans 5:18) The dead will be resurrected under God's government to enable these to inherit the life they should have inherited. Everlasting life. (Acts 24:15) Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Jesus reiterated this at Matthew 5:5.
In Ezekiel 18:20 it says "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." If we are no longer punished for our father's sins, why would a baby be considered sinful due to Adam and Eve? From what I understand, sin is a verb, it's actions we do that are against God. In Mark 7:20-23 it says "And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.” Since a baby never had the opportunity to commit these sins I don't see why they would be considered sinful.
In the early Catholic church the answer would have been unbaptized babies, along with every other unbaptized person goes to hell. All the early Church father's said as much. I remember on writing where babies were considered the perfect example of sin, demanding, selfish, stealing lying little monsters and that he was looking forward to being in heaven looking down at the unbaptized babies crawling around on the floor of hell. Of course this is the same church that practiced trial by ordeal so what can you expect.
If you go straight to heaven you die, does the miscarriaged baby grow and become reunited with the parents being raised by angels in the separated years? It seems to me the dead are raised together. And the babies are raised babies to be raised by the saved parent on the day of the resurrection.
If God's justness and goodness has nothing to do with what we see as just and good (since his ways are higher than ours), can we really use the first scripture to justify that babies don't go to hell when they die? Perhaps there is hidden good and justness in the action that we as simple human beings cannot see.
There are at least 2 specific scriptures that are clearly avoided in this fairly consistent Baptist argument re: age of accountability: 1. Palm 139:16 "... in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them." 2. Eph. 1:4 is one of the fundamental scriptures in the Reformed Theological view concerning election. "...even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him." So, before the foundation of the world, He chose SOME for eternal life in Christ and others He did NOT. Logically, those who were NOT chosen to eternal life (before the earth's foundation) would be sinners already "condemned."
The other issues is, when all the Canaanite nations were destroyed by Joshua, even children n babies were killed, what do you make of that. I think the situation dictates, because when jeroboam sent his wife to a prophet, the prophet said that that particular child will die as he won't share in jeroboams punishment. Finally in 1 Corinthians 7 Paul says that the children are sanctified or set apart due to the believing parents faith. While God will do the tight thing, I think our comfort should be limited to Christian infants. I don't think we can make this a general rule. Uts a sad topic but God is sovereign and we can't know everything
What questions should I be asking myself when trying to study the scriptures. I am presently reading Nehemiah and I am asking, what is G-d showing me? What am I to learn here or any other book of the bible. Some are obvious, some not so much. Is there a who, what, where, when road map, system that scholars use?
Single predestination refers to unconditional election. Double predestination refers to election and reprobation. Reprobation is the doctrine that God predestined the damned to hell. The damned are punished for sin, but that alone is not why God predestined them to hell inasmuch as everyone is (or will be or would be) a sinner. That, in a nutshell, is what the terms mean. Freewill theists object to both. I don't think double predestination raises any pastoral concerns. But it's best to address one question at a time.
John Baker I think, though of course some will disagree!, that it makes little sense to talk about single predestination. Single predestination would say that God predestined (chose before the world began) certain idividuals to life (salvation in Christ) but did not predestine others to death (condemnation/damnation.) I would argue that in choosing not to appoint them unto life and subsequently regenerating them, God chooses to appoint them unto death. This does not mean that He condemns them arbitrarily, but perfectly justly for their sin, nor that He keeps them from believing, but leaves them to their unbelief. I affirm double predestination, but also believe it is proper and consistent to say that God is entirely responsible for man's salvation, but man is entirely responsible (morally) for his own condemnation. God held none back. See, for a very few references, Matthew 11:25-30 and Romans 9, especially 6-23. Consider also God's relationship with Israel whereby He chose one people to reveal Himself to, while largely leaving all other people's/nations to themselves and only general revelation (Romans 1:19-23.) I don't mean that His choice of Israel is identical to predestination because not all Israel believed, but it shows plainly that God chooses freely and graciously to interact with different people in different ways, showing more grace to some while leaving others to themselves (that is, to their own darkened hearts which reject the testimony of creation ala Romans 1.) Some pastoral concerns are that many object to these doctrines as perhaps hard hearted, unfair, "not what my God would do," or contrary to their understanding of certain other scriptures. It is essential to declare this with clarity as plain Biblical teaching, showing God's perfect justice and the perfect and necessary freedom of His grace. God is not required by justice to be gracious, nor to show equal measures of grace - that's the very nature of grace. This ought to be a doctrine of comfort to believers, never of discouragement to unbelievers. Back to Matthew 11, Jesus said, "ALL who are weary and heavy laden..." and was not disingenuous in so saying. any view of predestination that limits the extent of the free offer of the gospel below the scriptural offer is deformed. Keep in mind also God elsewhere said He takes no delight in the death of the wicked. "Willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known..." NOT "delighting in the death of the wicked and the damnation of sinners" I hope this was helpful, and that you find it to say no more than scripture will support. You can readily find much fuller treatments of the matter, though, of course, views differ.
Chris Brenan Re: your 1st parag., 2nd sentence. All are dead in trespasses and sins as per Rom. 5:12 ; Eph. 2:1-3. We are all condemned into that spiritually dead state through unbelief as per John 3:18. We don't have to be predestined to condemnation -- it's the universal condition of inheriting Adam's corruption that leaves us spiritually disconnected from God, unable to know Him or even seek Him as per Psalm 14:1-3 ; 53:1-3 ; Rom. 3:10-18. There is a Divine predestination to save some through the mercy of God as per Rom. 9:15,16,18 but human condemnation is a result of God's promise to execute Divine justice for disobedience as per Gen. 2:17. That justice, resulting in death, fell on both Adam and Eve through their transgression. It would seem to be a stretch to affirm that God's justice bringing condemnation emanates from a predestinating decree rather than just His foreknowledge.
John Baker: No one is predestined. Everyone has a free choice. Else, these scriptures make no sense. Deuteronomy 30:19 I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must CHOOSE life so that you may live, you and your descendants, 20 by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice, and by sticking to him, for he is your life and by him you will endure a long time in the land that Jehovah swore to give to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” Matthew 18:2 So calling a young child to him, he stood him in their midst 3 and said: “Truly I say to you, unless you turn around and become as young children, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens. Acts 3:19 “Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get your sins blotted out, so that seasons of refreshing may come from Jehovah himself
I know Catholics believe babies are born with 'original sin', and insist on instant baptism. However, the Bible teaches that one must be cognizant of one's sinful nature in order to repent - and then be baptized. Infants do not have this awareness. (,So I presume they are protected until they have a discerning conscience??? I liked your answer that they are protected by grace, until.....)
I disagree with your understanding of Romans 5:12-19. Instead of 6 minutes of gyration, you could have shortened this to 2 minutes. Infants are conceived with a sin nature, but they have not committed sin. See how much simpler that is?
The problem with this is logically we don’t operate in a world where sin or punishment is inherited... if a murder goes to jail for 100 years and dies before his time you don’t take his offspring to finish out the sentence.
Deuteronomy 1:39 I think babies are innocent, even with Paul’s colorful hyperbolic language of babies being sinful. Of course they’re innocent. God is clear that he looks out the most for those who truly are weak and helpless in society. Children are among the top of that list.
If God take Enoch who has the mental capacity to speak, walk, talk and understand right from wrong to heaven with out dying. Then God would not send a baby who can't talk, think walk or anything who hasn't had a chance to come to Christ. Yes we are born in sin but God's Grace is WAY more sufficient than we could ever imagine.
I have been terrified of this question for so long, having two little ones. Thank you.
+Bonnie Willoughby You're welcome!
Bonnie Willoughby rest easy. They’re innocent and heaven bound 100%. Anyone that thinks children go to hell are sick in the head
@Southern Seminary Actually there is scripture to back up this question >>>
John 15:24 (Jesus spoke about nonbelieving jews))>>
''If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.''
As we know, the infants would have had no chance of seeing nor understanding any miracles or any teachings, even if it was taught to them ..because they have no understanding...therefore they are not guilty of sin and will be saved
I think this also shows the concept of an age of accountability has a basis in Scripture.
“For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings. - Isa 7:16
Children will go to hell if they are of the age of accountability to is around the age of 5-6. But children under that age have most likely not sinned and will not go to hell
God gave me comfort to this 24 years ago after my first miscarriage. I've had 7 or 8. But with my first one after she died. I dreamed she was about 5 in heaven with my deceased grandparents. They never spoke but looked at me waved and walked away. But then she stopped turned to me and waved again. Never thinking that God was preparing me for the other miscarriages. Yes they did hurt but also gave me peace to know they are in heaven with our Father-God. I always joke saying I might not have any on earth yet but I got a whole basketball team in heaven waiting on me.
Thank You. I just lost my son June 4th. He was supposed to be born September 25th. I love him so much! My heart hurts really bad. I will see him again. I will never forget smelling the sides of his neck😇… I was and still am in love with him. Rest In Peace, sleep in peace, nap in peace Royalty Watson. He was and is so beautiful.
im sorry for you.
Aww I’m so very sorry to hear of your pain!!! My deepest condolences to you. You’ll meet your beautiful happy child as you come to Jesus!!🥲🙌🙌❤️❤️❤️
You can Trust in The Word of GOD, The Bible that it does make it clear that when a Baby dies, they are taken to be with Him in Heaven 😊
Please Read 2 Samuel 11 and 12 King David and Bathseba and the account of their 1 year old Baby that Died as a result of the Parents Sin and especially David before GOD, and the assurance that God Gave to a Repentant King David 🙏 😊
Your child is home with Jesus. "He is God of the living not the dead" The transfiguration. Moses and Elija showed up from heaven. NOT the grave. They were not sleeping but living in heaven. God bless you Amen.
Few days ago i lost my 3 days old brother it feels empty i can't even imagine what my mother is feeling right now i can't see her suffering and i miss my baby brother so much i want him back but i know he's in the better place ❤
Hey, how are y’all holding up? Very sorry to hear about this terrible tragedy.
آمين🙏♥️
Inari, I am so sorry for your loss. Please know that all is well for your little brother, he is with Jesus Christ and is safe and happy, there is nothing to fear, these guys have it wrong, all little children are protected by the atonement of Jesus Christ.
@@johnnyonthespot1665 Some protection you have.
Matthew 19:14 "Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” According to Jesus' word, your little brother is saved.
And Jesus also said “ Theirs is the kingdom of God” referring to children ❤️
HELLO THERE. 👋🙂
Amen, HE sure did...✝️
Right~ All children belong to Kingdom of heaven.
where is the verse
Jesus also promoted forgiveness, tolerance and acceptance.
If anything, I find so much mercy in this. Knowing that possibly, these children can turn from God when they are indeed in a capacity to reject him, God takes them before it happens and they find themselves only by His grace, with Him ❤️
Gimme a break.
Listen to what you are saying. As a result of believing in these god myths, you have actually convinced yourself to think that babies dying is a good thing. Can you see how distorted your worldview has become because of this nonsense?
It is true Lesley God's mercy is abundant
LOL.. wouldn't it be unfair why we are born not the same as infants who died who can be saved right away without so many unnecessary things? I wish I died as infant.
@@terminusadquem6981 So you wished for death as an infant, meaning you think nothing of your life, which you presumably believe was given to you by your god. How completely upside down. You insult your god by being so dismissive of what he gave you. Strange, as you now want to be with him in this mythical heaven place. Contradictory at best.
I know this isn't quite the topic but I just lost both of my parents recently and I believe God directed me to your video. It really has helped me with some things I'm struggling with. God bless you.
@I R O N but Christ shows mercy for the child's sin was not revealed to them yet. Once it is revealed then the child is accountable for what God has revealed to them.
Matt 18:3 (NASB) "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of God." The inference here is that children who die before they really know the difference between good and evil are in the kingdom of God. I agree with this message, and this is another reason why.
I never thought for one moment that God would ever turn away the Soul of any infant still born or indeed aborted because they are still his children and he loves them all too much.
That reasoning is faulty. It's human wisdom. For one thing, they are NOT "his children", they are their parents children. People are not God's children by being born. They are His children by being born again, through faith. And even a fetus IS capable of faith. The concept of the "Fatherhood of God and brotherhood of man" is earthly wisdom, not Scriptural. Don't see God as you wish Him to be. See Him as He is. Scripture does draw that picture for us. Use that drawing, not your reasoning. Because while our reasoning can sometimes coincide with Scripture's drawing, relying on it will eventually lead to a wrong path. The destiny of babies is not even slightly influenced by what we want to happen. It is determined by God's nature. His true nature. Not what we want Him to be.
@@StephanieSomer I think you are right that the reasoning is faulty, because God loves all adults but not all adults will end up in heaven.
But you are wrong to say that people are not God's children by simply being human beings. In Acts 17:29, Paul, speaking to some pagan Greeks, quotes a pagan poet approvingly:
'We are also his [God's] children'.
In one sense all human beings are God's children, but in another, deeper sense only the saved are his children.
I doubt you are right that fetuses can have faith, but your point about not seeing God as we wish him to be is a very good one.
@@maxaplin4204 As you correctly said, Paul was quoting a pagan poet. That pagan was not referring to God. At least, not the true God.
If you doubt a fetus can posses faith, then perhaps you have a better explanation than the Holy Spirit gave when He spoke through Elizabeth in Luke 1 concerning why the baby in Elizabeth's womb lept. I'll give a quick synopsis of the event. Mary, who was now carrying the fetal Christ within her, went to visit Elizabeth while Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant with John the Baptist. When Mary got to the door and called out to her cousin Elizabeth, Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking. And the words she gave forth said that the baby lept in her womb for joy. Joy is an expression of the heart of a believer at the presence of God. The Holy Spirit bare record that the fetal John the Baptist expressed joy. So, just HOW did he feel joy? And more to the point, how was he aware of the presence of God in the room? Even more importantly, HOW did he even know who God is, since God can be known ONLY through faith? This event demonstrates like no other that even fetuses CAN know God. God cannot be known without faith, for "he who comes to God must first believe that He is". Therefore, it follows that John the Baptist possessed faith, even saving faith, before his own birth. Didn't even Christ declare, "unless you all come as little children you cannot be saved"? Little children have a very distinct advantage when it comes to faith. They don't balk and doubt like we do. They BELIEVE. The entire doctrine of age of accountability and other such ideas is contrary to what this event demonstrates. So, what happens to babies who die, even before birth? That depends entirely on their faith, just as it does for any other person. My own opinion is that since they've never had the opportunity to experience the pleasure of sin, ( and let there be no doubt, sin IS pleasurable), most would choose God rather than their sinful ways. But that is pure conjecture on my part. God alone has that true answer. And anyone who takes it upon themselves to declare they have the whole truth concerning this issue is deceived. THIS is the picture Scripture paints. If that picture differs from what you think God is like, it's not the Scripture that is mistaken. See Him as He IS, not as you want Him to be.
@@StephanieSomer You have said quite a lot there, too much for me to comment on in depth, so I will limit myself to a few points in reply:
First, regarding people being the children of God:
In Acts 17:22-31 is Paul's speech to the people of Athens. In v. 24 Paul begins to tell the Athenians about God:
'The God who made the world and everything in it - he is Lord of heaven and earth - does not live in temples made by hands.'
So in v. 24 Paul is talking about the true God.
Then in verses 25-27 he continues talking about the true God.
Then in verses 28-29 he continues further talking about the true God:
28 'For in him we live and move and have our being, as even some of your own poets have said, "For we are also his children." 29 Since, then, we are God's children . . .'
Paul quotes the pagan poet in v. 28, but at the beginning of v. 29 he clearly agrees with what the poet said.
This passage is an example of what we could call 'bridge-building evangelism'. Paul builds a bridge with the Athenians by highlighting a point of agreement, in this case that human beings are God's children. The fact that the Athenian poet would not have been thinking precisely about the Christian God is beside the point. Paul himself in v. 29 describes human beings as children of God.
In one sense all human beings are children of God, but in another sense only the saved are. Being children of God is a metaphorical expression, and this metaphor is used in different ways in Scripture.
Second, on fetuses having faith:
You are right that the leaping of John the Baptist in the womb is relevant for this issue. But how exactly are we to take this? Is it that JB literally understood that he was in the presence of the Messiah? Or are we to think more that God caused him to leap without a real understanding of why? I accept that prima facie it does more naturally seem to suggest that fetuses can have faith, but I don't think it's as clear you you think it is.
On the other hand, Rom 10:17 is difficult for your view:
'So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the message about Christ.'
This verse seems to suggest that you need to understand something with your mind and respond to it before you have faith. Nothing in Scripture leads us to think that anyone could ever hear the message of Christ without being able to understand it clearly in their mind.
Also, I think experience with toddlers fits poorly with the idea that babies and fetuses can have faith. At the age when children begin to talk, Christian parents need to teach them to trust God. This isn't something that seems to come naturally to them.
I am not sure about this issue, but I prefer the view that babies and fetuses are unable to have faith.
Third, on the age of moral accountability:
I think we can infer this principle from Scripture. In Rom 5:13 Paul says:
'. . . but sin is not charged to a person's account where there is no law.'
It is true that Paul is talking about adults here, but I think we can extrapolate what he says to babies and fetuses. They are not capable of distinguishing between right and wrong (e.g., Isa 7:16), so presumably they are not under any law. When they are old enough to know right from wrong, they come under the law of God and reach an age of moral accountability.
Fourth, on Jesus' words about becoming like children:
It is true that he said in Matt 18:3:
'. . . unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven'.
However, the children in view in this passage are older than babies. In v. 6 Jesus warns people against causing 'one of these little ones who believe in me to fall away'. This implies that the children are old enough to be tempted to sin.
Shane Lynch: I couldn't help myself but intervene to correct a misconception. There are no souls which leave the body and float away to some surreal place. No one goes to heaven or a burning hell. Humans were NEVER created to live in heaven. All these are unbiblical teachings.
John 3:13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man.
When someone dies, even an unborn baby, they just go back to the dust (Ecclesiastes 3:19,20). These, however, will be resurrected back on earth after God's government (kingdom) takes over the rule of this earth (Acts 24:15). Christians pray for this:
Matthew 6:10 Let your Kingdom COME. Let your will take place, as in heaven, ALSO ON EARTH.
God's original purpose is that humans populate this earth and live forever on it (Genesis 1:28). This was thwarted by Satan for a short while. But with Jesus' sacrifice (John 3:16) will come to fruition.
Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. (Matthew 5:5)
You absolutely laid the right foundation w Abrahams quote. That confidence is an adequate place of rest for God's people (regarding this), and the necessary beginning to all further inquiry in this and many other matters. Thank you!
Suffer the children to come unto me for such is the kingdom of heaven
how about you dress modestly. do not cause a man to sin. lets start there..
@@robertgivens9479 people make their own fucking choices, i bet your one of those sad old fucks who go "she was asking for it because of what she was wearing" fuck off, god hates you
@@InitialPC you asked for it.. be careful what you wish for . miserable .. if you don't like what to read. then close your eyes hater.. you probably don't even know anything about God.
.liberal
Why are people insulting one of each other , no I know why God regretted making humans in the first I wouldn't blame him I would too 😑
@@tylersoto7465 the bible says to rebuke them that stand against truth and also to be angry and sin not .. open rebuke is better than hidden love proverbs 24 ?
This is how this question is answered:
"The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them."
-- Ezekiel 18:20
Yes, even unborn and newborns have the sin nature - but there is no direct sin that can be 'credited to their account', and so they are not condemned.
Even as David's terrible sin sin was taken away (2 Samuel 12:13), and also the sins of Isaiah, whatever they might have been (Isaiah 6:6) simply by God's choice and grace, so are the sins of babies taken away.
Christ became the curse to redeem us from the curse....So in the New covenant ...there is no more inherited curse... such a doctrine propagated by late derick prince and others is absolute fallacy.
My grandson died in the womb the day before he was born, three months ago today, and I know for a fact that he is safe in Heaven with God. Thankyou Jesus
I'm sorry for your loss.. Your grandson is in heaven. He was too good for this world and God called him back. I know it hurts but be happy for him he is in Paradise with the LORD !!
@@Zedo-Tampa Thankyou for your kind words. I know I will see him again, and his oldest brother (my first grandchild who died in a traffic accident almost 2 years ago, 10 days after his 21st birthday). We've been through/going through a lot of grief . But God has been my strength. God bless!
Thinking that humans who die are living somewhere safe is a comforting thought.
However, the bible gives us the knowledeg to really comfort grieving humans.
The dead don't go anywhere when they die. They just cease to exist except in God's memory. Jesus called it a sleep (John 1:11,14)
Psalm 146:3, 4 Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he RETURNS TO THE GROUND; On that very day his THOUGHTS PERISH.
Under God's government these dead will be resurrected and reunited with family and friends on this earth (Acts 24:15).
Humans will then get an opportunity to live on earth without the need to die again as was God's original purpose in creating humans (John 3:16).
Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
Jesus reiterated this at Matthew 5:5.
@@tongakhan230 So where do you fit Heaven and hell into this? I know my grandsons are with Jesus, He has told me so.
@@toffeetigerkimba : if God tells us that life doesn't continue when a person dies, we must believe it.
There is however, someone who wants people to believe it does.
Genesis 3:4 At this the serpent (Satan) said to the woman: “You certainly will not die.
Humans died and went back to the dust as God had decreed.
Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to DUST YOU WILL RETURN.”
Satan has been trying to make God out to be a liar. That is why he uses all sorts of guile to make people believe in something opposite to what God says.
Deuteronomy 18:9 “When you have entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to imitate the DETESTABLE PRACTISES of those nations. 10 There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, 11 anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who INQUIRES OF THE DEAD. 12 For whoever does these things is DETESTABLE to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you.
If we hear voices of supposedly our dead loved ones telling us things, be comforted it isn't the real person who died. Someone unseen is mimicking the voices.
All dead ones should be resurrected back onto this earth when God's Government takes over soon.
If we are around we could welcome our family and friends.
Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
This man is mistaken. We are not born sinners we are born with a sinful nature. The consequence of Adam and Eve's sin was death and this is what we inherited along with the sinful nature thus we all die, not that we are automatically born sinners. We do not inherit the sins of our parents, we are only accountable for our own sins.
It is written: The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.
Ezekiel 18:20 NIV
EXACTLY right.
GOD BLESS YOU MY BROTHER IN THE LORD.
I could be wrong here but isnt death a result of sin? we inherit the sin of Adam not our birth parents. Romans 5: "12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come." i think we can be reassured that our kids/toddlers will make it to heaven by the Grace of God through a gifted faith. John jumped at the voice of Mary. David said he would see his child in the afterlife. God is just so he will do the right thing and He is good to us as he always has been. He will look out for us and our families- as Promised and Always. Do we believe this? If we say kids get to heaven because of age then we will see millions of people in heaven who needed no faith, no trust in Christ, no Grace and would only say i died young. God's grace and mercy will save our kids but by grace through faith in Him who died to save us all.
@@joshua6545
I CONCUR. I TRULY SERVE A RIGHTEOUS, LOVING AND MERCIFUL FULL OF JUSTICE GOD. ASSUREDLY, I SAY TO YOU, UNLESS YOU ARE CONVERTED AND BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN, YOU WILL BY NO MEANS ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. THEREFORE WHOEVER HUMBLES HIMSELF AS THIS LITTLE CHILD IS THE GREATEST IN THE KINGDOM GOD BLESS OF HEAVEN. WHOEVER RECEIVES ONE LITTLE CHILD LIKE THIS IN MY NAME RECEIVES ME. MATTHEW 18: 3-5. MY GOD ALSO DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE "WHOLE" ENTIRE WORLD 1 JOHN 2:2. UNFORTUNATELY MANY PEOPLE WILL REJECT GOD'S FREE WILL OF SALVATION MATTHEW 7 " 13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it" "A FEW PEOPLE WILL FIND IT." WE CALL THAT FREE WILL., IT SURE DOESN'T SAY, GOD HAS SELECTED A FEW PEOPLE FOR SALVATION AND DAMMED THE REST OF THEM,
EZEKIEL 18:30-32 “30 “THEREFORE, YOU ISRAELITES, I WILL JUDGE EACH OF YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN WAYS, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD. REPENT! TURN AWAY FROM ALL YOUR OFFENSES; THEN SIN WILL NOT BE YOUR DOWNFALL. 31 RID YOURSELVES OF ALL THE OFFENSES YOU HAVE COMMITTED, AND GET A NEW HEART AND A NEW SPIRIT. WHY WILL YOU DIE, PEOPLE OF ISRAEL? 32 FOR I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF ANYONE, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD. REPENT AND LIVE!”
MY GOD DOESN'T TAKE PLEASURE IN THE DEAD OF THE WICKED. GOD BLESS YOU,
Really? So if a child is born of the seed of Satan, who's to say a newborn is listening to God? The seeds of Satan begin as soon as possible, even in the womb.
Great Answers. I had never heard the theological argument from general revelation before. I have always found Jesus statement "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these" as strong support for little children going to heaven. That was Matthew 19:14 and we see that statement in all of the synoptic gospels.
true, i think the argument from general revelation is also profoundly true, because it answers a related question with regard to mentally retarded children; what about mentally retarded children who never grow conscieous of their existence, and so cannot perceive and thus reject the natural revelation of GOD? Very profoundly biblically true
2 Samuel 12: 16-23
this is the account where the child of king David dies and at the end of this verse,
David says " I shall go to him, but he will not return to me." ...
we know that David is on heaven with God, and so is his child
Matthew 18:14
“In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.”
Thank you
Falcon I have hope everyone will be saved. Only God knows who is in Heaven and Hell.
Falcon but I can have hope, can't I, hope that all will be saved and hope for the resurrection of all? It is the choice of the individual soul whether or not they want to go to Heaven or Hell, and their actions on earth can reflect what they are leaning towards. I don't know how a babies' soul develops, or how much of a choice they have when they die, but just about every baby that hasn't been exposed to evil will probably choose the good. Their innocence reflects that.
Falcon we don't know of the ones who have and who haven't been saved. The hope I am talking about is the hope of the salvation of humanity. Some will (hopefully) be saved, some might not. We don't know. Only God knows that. The Scriptures might say not all will be saved, but we don't know who will and who wouldn't.
Falcon I can like my own things. If I wrote something and I think it's good, there's no harm in liking it. Also the Bible also teaches to have hope. Faith, HOPE, and love. :)
Thank you for having this part of ministry where questions are answered. Its been a ministry that is sorely needed. I even heard of a pastor that after his surmons had a Q&A EXCELLANT ! I want to stand up in church and say "What about....." and wanting to further understand. Once again. Thank You and please don't stop.
I'm looking forward to being meeting my brother Danny who died at Child birth when I get up to Heaven. Have a great weekend everyone
I lost also my 6 mos old son while pregnant...we were so much hurt.. but the other side is I know God loves him so much in heaven...
I'll know for sure when im dead, and hopefully meet my 3 day old brother in perfection of God. Then I'll know, great video though.
You will, jesus Loved the little ones why would they not be in heaven.
John 9 :: NIV. As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.
Rest assured that all those who die great and small are in God's memory. He will restore them to their families when the resurrections begin during Christ's reign of the thousand years.
For now they sleep in death having turned back to dust.
Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 ' Animals as do humans die. They return to the dust. In this instance there is no superiority of humans over animals.' (Paraphrased).
There is hope of a resurrection for humans though. These will be reunited with their families here on earth.
Only if you are Muslim.
@@skander6167 i mean no disrespect here. Yet if Muhammad was a prophet sent from God to confirm the teaching preached by Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and others. Then why if he was confirming them did he not use the same Holy Scriptures as they? Also why was the Quran re-written over 7 times? God never changes why would his word? Again I am asking curiously for knowledge and mean no offense or disrespect.
@@brianb4390 OMG, you are sooooooooo brainwashed, the Quran was never changed, they compared a book from when Muhammad was still alive, and it was identical, you now what? You are an idiot, the POPES changed the bible, it is completely different to before.
i lost my baby july 23, and he was born july 21 i was c-section delivery at that time.That time he was detached to me i was not able to see him. i only heard him cry and the nurse says that he is getting black when he cried so while i was in my bed all i could do is called his name and soothe him not to cry from a far and i ask the nurse if my son have a congenital disease, she only says that need to check him and we need to talk to a doctor. To make it short my husband told that our baby loss his heartbeat, and i cried and beg for him that i want to see my child, i didnt have a chance to see him to feel him. and then when i am in nicu. i saw him lying there naked only wearing diapers with a tube in his mouth. when i talk to him calling baby and his name he open his eyes😢 that is the moment that i will never forget. And then the time they revive him for the third time i was the one who says thats enough just give me my baby i want to hold him now and then he died in my arms.
iloveyou so much i will treasure our last moment, just promise me that you will come back again in any form. I and you father will wait for you.
A lot of thanks to Jesus for this, really a lot of thanks to Him, needed it to send it to a person, hope she comes back to Christ, Amen !
Learning to think critically & theologically regarding the hard questions of life like this one & keeping an open mind along with a humble heart to change one's mind whenever one sees new revelation from the scriptures is key. To hear this man reasoning from the scriptures is refreshing, especially when his reasoning comes from an accurate knowledge of Who God is. And while the sovereignty of God plays a huge part in answering this question, the mercy of God plays an even larger part in getting the answer right for those who need biblical encouragement on this subject. "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right" implies mercy, and mercy, the Bible says, triumphs over judgement. This is a glorious thing that the actions of God reveal something phenomenal about God... namely that He is a gracious God. But arguing for Him to sweep sin & sinfulness under the rug because he's a good guy is not the answer, but rather isn't the answer to this & all questions bound up in the character of God Himself & what the Bible says about His character rather than what men think about His character?
This was a great to-the-point video answer to a difficult to-the-point question that many struggle with, not only because they love "little ones" but also because they love God's character which is on the line in correctly understanding this issue. And to hear someone answer from scripture, even when there is no passage that directly refers to the answer, is very refreshing. Because it shows how we all can use the scriptures combined with the character of God Himself to find answers to difficult real life questions without having to speculate from our finite imaginations about who we believe God to be. Hasn't God taught us enough about Himself & His character for us to discern right & wrong, truth & error from the scriptures? I say yes... And, although imperfect as our lives & our ability to reason often are, I believe that's what was accurately accomplished through this video. Kudos...
As I watched this video, the Holy Spirit revealed the answer to me to share it here..Praise be to the Lord >> John 15:24 (Jesus said) ''If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.''
As we know, the infants would have had no chance of seeing nor understanding Jesus miracles and teachings, therefore they are not guilty and will be saved
~Psalms 58;3 the wicked go astray from the womb, they go atray telling lies even from birth.
~ Psalms 51;5 ... I was shapened in iniquity. In sin my mother conceived me.
~Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no not one.
~John 1:8. If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
These are hard verses to get around as it pertains to mankind/babies and sin. Christians are bound by the words in their book because they have to see every word as God's absolute truth regardless of the topic. They are taught even if God's truth is uncomfortable with the believer, His words are still just.
@@MountTheodore72 Have you any thoughts on how God deals with this issue? Thanks
It's not a really hard question honestly it only takes a bit of common sense.
Children do not shoulder the same accountability of sin that able minded adults do...and infants and very young children lack an understanding of right and wrong altogether.
We understand this,that's why the law and criminal responsibility apply differently to children,sometimes exempting them altogether.
So I highly doubt a perfect and just God would ignore this fact.
@@MountTheodore72
Yes but God knows full well that an infant completely lacks the ability to decide between right and wrong.
There's a little thing called accountability,and young children lack that ability entirely.
If we understand that ,I doubt it's lost on God.
We know that God is just,and is consistent with his character.
And a just judge knows when to make be merciful.
Repent and put your faith in Jesus! He loves you so much He died for you. Then He rose again, defeating death! Jesus is Lord!
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Odin is better
@@badideass why?
@@joeminor15 because he saved us from the ice giants. better story than the bible.
Keep this in mind people, I love his last statement “He thinks that God will show mercy.”
However, scriptures is silent concerning this matter which leaves us to not speculate and go beyond.
Yes, babies are not innocent but sinners by nature.
Yes, babies cannot repent/ believe the gospel and put their faith in Christ for salvation .
Therefore, our only hope, is to trust in the goodness of God. He will do what is right.
Who are we to tell God what we think is good or right for Him to do? God Forbid.
Babies and children up to the Biblical age of knowing go to Heaven if they die..which is about 9-12.
Exactly brother. People have forever convinced themselves of perceptions they have about God
@@janekay4147 You are all wrong on this. The one true answer is in the Bible.
@@zandrello You don't know what you are talking about, and I can prove it, without a doubt. I will do so with scripture.
Your comments about the children. Would you like the scripture for that?
they are not born in this world as sinners, they are born with the ability to sin. its not till you know right from wrong and understand why its wrong is it a sin. James 4;17 says To him therefore who knows to do good, and does not do it, to him it is sin.
Is the Earth Flat according to the Bible?
no sir
Many Bible Verses Support a Flat Earth
sorry but they do not
The question shouldn't be *do babies go to hell* , but according to the bible, the question should be, *"should babies go to hell?"*
Naturally, because of ones compassion, everyone wants to be quick to say "no!!! Babies should not go to hell." But as Christians are bound by the laws of the bible, it is said that by one man sin entered the world. Christians were taught every single person is born into sin. They were also taught everyone is, in a sense, infected with the sin disease. The bible even goes on to say from Psalms 58;3 "The wicked go estranged from the womb, they go out telling lies from birth." Then Psalms 101; 7 says no liars shall tarry in his sight. One's very own bible is the book that damns babies and children to hell. Thas a shame. And if people are truly honest in how the bible reads without trying to twist verses based on one's emotions and see just what the bible is saying regarding human kind and sin, one is left to conclude, honestly, that babies are just as guilty as a full grown adult, and according to one's own bible, babies are equally as capable of going to hell. And sadly people are bound by their convictions. Is the bible truth still?!
I had always assumed that just as there are elect and non-elect adults then the same must be true for infants, but this video caused me to think more about this subject. Sure, infants who die are guilty of original sin just like the rest of us, but they have had little or no time or opportunity to accumulate actual personal sin(s). Surely God being a just God will consider this as he righteously and justly judges all who die as infants, along with the profoundly retarded, vegetables, and other such special cases.
In 2 Samuel 12:23, after King David’s infant son had died, he says, “But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.” I conclude after reading this verse that babies and infants go to heaven. We do enter the world as sinners, and we all deserve judgement, but I think this is where the age of accountability comes into this. James 4:17 says that “So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.” Babies and infants, including what liberals call “fetus” which is really just a baby, are not consciously aware of what is right and wrong because they have not received the knowledge of Good and Evil. Also, Jesus says in Matthew 19:14, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." The kingdom belongs to little children, and he goes in further saying we need to become like little children, gaining the humility they have in order to stand before God with confidence. Hope that helped.
Thank you for this message I really need it this time..I lost my son last feb 9 hope I can accept right now
You are correct. In face, Christ’s sacrifice was meant to cover all who sin unknowingly, Christian or not Christian. A person never hearing the gospel is not damned to hell, especially if they would have accepted the truth had it been preached to them. “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.”
A couple of incorrect points, Adams sin is not imputed into the sons and daughters. Multiple verses in Ezekiel state this, the son does not inherit the sin nor the guilt of the Father, and this includes Adam. James 1:14-15 Ezekiel 18:14-21
What a cruel thing to say to those that have lost very young children.
That their child wasn't innocent, was a sinner.
It's terribly sad, the thought that people who've recently lost a child - get told nonsense like this, and how it must affect them at such a difficult time.
Christ’s grace covers all those who sin unknowingly. Children and even non-Christians who have never heard the word.
@@rachelczumaya2806 could you cite a Bible reference that supports that, please? Thanks.
On the cross, Jesus said “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” I feel he meant that for everyone. His grace covers all, but some will choose to reject it. Those that choose to reject Christ’s grace (like Cain-loved Satan more than God) will not be forced to accept it. They choose damnation because they are more “comfortable” there. He gave us all the path to chose, but he’s not going to force the human mind. All children are alive in Christ. For more on this topic, you may check out www.comeUntoChrist.org if you feel so led. “Suffer the little children to come unto me for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.”
Also, this reference here: 1 Peter 3:18-22
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.”
He suffered for the just and the unjust alike. He causeth his rain-a symbol of His grace-to fall on the just and the unjust. Those that knew not the gospel will have it preached to them in spirit and will be given the choice to accept or reject it. Some will reject, and some will move into the paradise of God where they await their resurrection, just as the man on the cross who asked Jesus to remember him. I can’t believe that some Christians think that God would damn to hell someone who he caused to grow up Bhuddist or Muslim or some other non-Christian religion. That doesn’t sound like a just God to me. It doesn’t sound like a merciful one either. But I know God is just AND merciful and that he suffered for all mankind who would repent and confess His name. He has a plan prepared for all His creations, for he has prepared a mansion for us all. He said he did.
The catholics told mothers who lost infants before being christened that they were in hell. Filthy bloody religion why anyone bothers with it is beyond me ..........the words in the Bible were written by evil men to frighten an control people .......what a shame people are still frightened in the 21st century.. Rid yourselves of this religious filth, all religion is bullshit.
That was so greatly and honestly expressed using The Truth of The Knowledge of our Merciful and Righteous God and The Scriptures.
She is God's child....
She’s my Guardian Angel 😇♾
I lost my twin babies a month ago and am deeply hurt
They enter God's heavenly kingdom and are with our Lord Jesus Christ.
We call this common grace.
Amen.
@Brad Roberts
YOU SURE MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THE GOD OF THE HOLY BIBLE HAS A SEVERE DISSOCIATIVE DISORDER. IF THE DEAD DON’T IMMEDIATELY GO TO HEAVEN HOW DID MOSES AND ELIJAH APPEAR AT THE TRANSFIGURATION SPEAKING TO JESUS. AREN'T THEY WAITING FOR THE RESURRECTION? WHEN A CHRISTIAN DIES HE/SHE IMMEDIATELY PASSES INTO THE CONSCIOUS PRESENCE OF CHRIST IN HEAVEN, BUT WHEN THE DAY OF RESURRECTION ARRIVES, HE/SHE WILL BE GIVEN A NEW AND GLORIFIED BODY IN WHICH ALL OF GOD’S PEOPLE WILL LIVE AND FLOURISH ON THE NEW EARTH ( REVELATION 21-22). GOD BLESS YOU.
Do you have scripture to back that up?
@@foolishdrunk2181
WHY
@@mercibeaucoup2639
Why not?
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This is a hard question. If it's the case that unborn children and infants go to heaven that just gives rise to two other questions: when is the cut off point i.e when are infants old enough to understand special revelation and so not be covered by this direct entry into heaven? Secondly, does this apply to mentally handicapped people as well? It is also difficult to think about those who have never heard the gospel because although they have God's general revelation without His special revelation they also are not able to believe but I think it's risky to start saying that some people can get into heaven without believing in Jesus by a backdoor method.
Actually there is scripture to back up this question >>> John 15:24 (Jesus said) ''If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.''
As we know, the infants would have had no chance of seeing nor understanding Jesus miracles and teachings, therefore they are not guilty and will be saved
Liana becca That is a horrible interpretation. I agree that babies go to heaven, but that text is not a support for that.
Therefore ALL who never saw Jesus are saved?! Praise what?
@@reformedwretch2071 Not saying I disagree with you, my first reaction was the same as you but then I read again and paused. Could you explain why, centering on this part " they would not be guilty of sin"
Thanks.
Dant e: John 15:24 is in relation to the Jews, not humans in general.
Jesus’ miraculous works, in effect, convict those who hate him, as he notes: “If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have both seen and hated me as well as my Father.” Thus, as Jesus says, the scripture is fulfilled: “They hated me without cause.”
When people die, all their sins are erased, (Roman 6:23).
They lie in the dust awaiting a resurrection under God's government.
Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
I trust this clears things up.
@@tongakhan230 To be honest now that I look back at the comments I can't honestly say what I was thinking at the time to pose the question I did, I don't think it was in relation to what you've just tried to explain.
At a guess I'd say I was wondering why the notion that babies are innocent of conscious sin isn't supported by the same scripture even if it isn't directly related to it in the full context.
Amen, well said. But what about adults or teens who have mental issues from birth, my daughter is 14 but due to birth complications she still thinks, reasons and behave like a 2 or 3 year old.
They are guiltless like any children. They are here to be protected as children aswel.
Thank you sir for this short study. it helped me alot.
Matthew 19:14
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
Also, God judges the heart, he looks at our motives an intentions. These babies are too young to have any motives or intentions.
Long story short: in the year 2000’, I had my first born son and 8 days later after birth he passed away from a medical condition. Back in those days I was a young teenager lost in the World,deep in the streets Hustling, and many more other things that blinded my walk with God.
Fast forward eighteen year’s later(2018’), I am a Christian now Saved by Grace, and humbly gave my life to Christ wholeheartedly in 2012’. So I have this work injury and I get a major back surgery on my spine in 2018’. They put me to sleep for the 5 hour long surgery and here’s what happened next….
I remember first waking up in the Spirit.. I couldn’t see my body, my vision was similar to a GoPro vision (P.O.V.) while looking out. The very first thing I seen from my perspective was tall glass buildings like mansions that had a bright sparkle like diamonds 💎 to it. It seemed like the buildings never ended in height. I was in this street looking around and saw everyone walking around in bright white robes of some sort. The streets where Gold but a different type of gold from earth… from a distance the gold seem to vanish and looked like wet liquid gold on the road/streets. Something stunning like a mirage. As my vision started to move away from the City I woke up to, I noticed there was around 6 kids riding bikes following me, and one particular kid that was closer to me then the rest of the other five kids. As I got out the city, everything around me reminded me of a beautiful paradise of never ending hills,trees,and bright green grass. As I came to the end of where I stopped, the kid closest to me was in my face now about 2 feet away and I could see his face,skin color,height,and body form. It was my first born son who passed away in 2000’, he was a mix of my two sons that came after him and that are alive today. He was around 10 years old now,and had a never ending smile I will never forget. He never talked to me, but I felt his energy and his mind maybe through telepathy tell me he would see me again one day and to never worry for him again. I woke up post surgery right after and remember telling the nurse where is Eric at? The last thing I seen was his smile in Heaven that resembled my brothers smile so I woke up to remembering that and the nurses didn’t know what I had just been through.
I believe God gave me a vision into my sons life in Heaven, this is what the Bible states that can happen in the Believers life. I was in tears for two weeks straight when this happened, I’m thankful for God and if you have lost a child, you will be reunited again when God calls you home.♥️
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The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Psalms 58:3 KJV
Those type of verses Christians want to stay away from. They are confronted with a disturbing truth when it pertains to this particular topic. The bible blocks them in with uncomfortable truths.
@jlhaws115 hey thanks for responding to the comment. But doesn't the verse say who He (The Holy Ghost) is referring to? " the wicked go astray as soon as they be Born" as soon as you're born you are a what? A baby. The gentleman in the video said " we can trust God to do what's right" then we have to trust God to do what's right even when we think He's wrong. I'm not saying I want babies to go to hell. Our that I support abortion. But we don't know what a baby could grow up to be. Only God knows. The Bible says "his ways are higher than our ways his thoughts are higher than our thoughts" remember God ordered Israelites to kill whole nations women and children. Why? Because He knew what they would do when they grew up.
The Bible is referencing that as a human you are born into a sinful and wicked nature. If u wanted to disregard the true meaning of that scripture, then common sense also tells us that babies are not born with the ability to talk immediately, therefore they surely wouldn't be able to lie. All babies and children go to heaven until they are at the age of accountability. There is no set age for that, instead the ability to have a conscience to know right from wrong. And yes we as Christians do have to trust that our God is always right!
Its referring to the path that wicked adults take in life.
@@dezdaking This guy shouldn't be doing videos, he has no idea what the Bible says. The answer is in the Bible, if you are interested in the truth, ask and I will tell you where to find it.
I was married but am now single and have been so for over 20 years. I have no desire at all to be married again. Is it ok to be a Christian and single? I've not heard too many sermons on singleness and all of what comes with that.
Great arguments. Thank you! I would also add that it shows that God's gift of eternal life truly has nothing to do with me, as God saves those who die before they can understand acceptance. I take away from God when I claim to have any part in my salvation.
Janna Medina ...for it is God who works in you to will & do according to His good pleasure. Isn't the work of God inside all we do that is good, the most intimate phenomenon? I think so...
We have choice, that is our part in salvation..
Refer To:- When Babies and Little Children Die- Where Will They Go by Pastor Afzal Ali.
I like! Keep it up!
I can agree with this Pastor that children were born sinners but they have no idea to extend their thoughts about the Word of God.
Therefore Lord God will extend mercy upon them as compared to a grown up man.
Thanks and
God bless you, mr Pastor.
Amen.
God has a plan for everyone
Like getting severe lung damage, or death from corona virus?
@@neildunford241 Sometimes you cannot be thankful for the light without being in the dark.
@@angelwarrir545 including death?
I think I'd still be able to understand happiness, without any kind of god driven misery.
@@neildunford241 Premature death takes many, like babies being aborted. But that's why you have to pray
@@angelwarrir545 why? So you can ask god to change his plan just for you?
Why would someone do that?
Its the equivalent of saying, "hey god, I know you know everything, I know you've a plan for all of us - but can you change it please? Cos its not ideal for me. Thanks".
I was assaulted by a stranger as a young girl and I ended up having a tubal miscarriage, my mom considered it a blessing, in 1993 I had a tubal miscarriage (twins) my mom told me maybe there was something wrong with my babies or maybe this is God's way my husband and I took it emotionally hard
The way I look at it is that God loves my babies more than I Love them. He will do the right thing ❤️🙏🏻
If the right thing involves your God killing children then your God is a piece of shit.
@@badideass Be gone demon in Jesus name.
@@rcarr6893 little did that do you're going to have to try harder than that... Lol
The problem with this, is a very common one.
People fall in love with the idea of Christianity- peace, love, happy clappy stuff.
After they have crossed that line, they then actually read the books, and realise very quickly that it isn’t what Christianity means at all. They spend the rest of the time trying to square that circle.
Of course the direct answer to the question, as with many questions, is uncomfortable and unpleasant. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that what this guy is giving as an answer is in any way correct. That’s because it isn’t.
Everyone goes to Hell, according to what he believes in. It’s self justifying and self serving to claim anything else, because it just isn’t true.
Live with that.
So, looking at it strictly logically (I’d like to believe that infants, who haven’t had the opportunity to receive the word of God, will go to heaven, but playing devils advocate): The example with David that you’ve pointed out is merely a hope that David had. God didn’t tell him that he’d be reunited with the infant, he simply hopes that it’d be the case, or rather, he believes it. Furthermore, from the case of simply saying “God will do the right thing”: God will do what is right by God’s standards, which apart from the direct instructions for how to live, are beyond our comprehension. Anyone who claims to know exactly what God sees as right is foolish, as we have no way of seeing through His eyes. While we can infer based on history what He decides is right, we do not definitively know what God’s judgement is like. We are, after all, imperfect, so hence our view of justice that isn’t clearly outlined by God, is imperfect. And, logically following the statement that man inherits the sin of man at conception, infants thus bare the same sin, and are not absolved without first accepting Jesus into their heart. While we might see that, an infant or fetus that hasn’t had the opportunity to do so is unfair, well, I’m certain there are other things we’ve as humans perceived as unfair, but just in the eyes of the Lord, which can never be wrong. I certainly am willing to listen though, for more concrete theological arguments, beyond just hoping that our view of justice aligns with God’s. And I’m not claiming to see things through the eyes of God either, I’m merely pointing out what, from my perspective, is a flawed argument.
The Holy Spirit lives! And lives in us ! If Jesus is in you ! Jesus referred to us as having to be like children ! Of course they live with him ! And he in them ! 😇
I always go to the account of when David's baby son died. David said that he would go to him later (when he died).
The holy innocents, as my Church calls them, are invincibly ignorant of any and all sins, and as such may go straight to Heaven.
If that would be the case, then heaven will be filled with children. Actually not all children will go to heaven.
Psalm 37:28: "For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved forever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off."
1 Corinthians 7:14: "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."
So Paul is saying that if someone from the family is a believer all the family is sanctified through that person, but that doesn't mean that they will be saved. God will give them the opportunity to be saved. Now the little ones who don't know right from wrong they will be saved based on the parent's faith.
If both parents are unfaithful, then the children will not be saved, it doesn't matter if that child is innocent. That's why in the Old Testament God said to kill everyone from Canaan.
Once again, this point is unlikely to remove every concern from the mind of the modern reader, but we must add another dimension to this issue. If we ask whether it would be better for God to allow children to grow up in such a perverted culture and religious system or to bring their young lives to an end and gather them to Himself, we begin to see that what happened to them may not have been the worst option. Even as we consider this, however, we are on dangerous ground. Only God can make this kind of judgement, since He alone possesses all knowledge and wisdom. Our finite minds are incapable of understanding every dimension of such a dilemma. Like Paul, we must acknowledge that God’s judgements are unsearchable and His paths are “beyond tracing out” (Romans 11:33).
For George
Once again, this point is unlikely to remove every concern from the mind of the modern reader, but we must add another dimension to this issue. If we ask whether it would be better for God to allow children to grow up in such a perverted culture and religious system or to bring their young lives to an end and gather them to Himself, we begin to see that what happened to them may not have been the worst option. Even as we consider this, however, we are on dangerous ground. Only God can make this kind of judgement, since He alone possesses all knowledge and wisdom. Our finite minds are incapable of understanding every dimension of such a dilemma. Like Paul, we must acknowledge that God’s judgements are unsearchable and His paths are “beyond tracing out” (Romans 11:33).
For George
Once again, this point is unlikely to remove every concern from the mind of the modern reader, but we must add another dimension to this issue. If we ask whether it would be better for God to allow children to grow up in such a perverted culture and religious system or to bring their young lives to an end and gather them to Himself, we begin to see that what happened to them may not have been the worst option. Even as we consider this, however, we are on dangerous ground. Only God can make this kind of judgement, since He alone possesses all knowledge and wisdom. Our finite minds are incapable of understanding every dimension of such a dilemma. Like Paul, we must acknowledge that God’s judgements are unsearchable and His paths are “beyond tracing out” (Romans 11:33).
@@gabrielacristea1648 Esti romanca? Anyway, we truly don't know the mind of God, His ways are not our ways, but for God to take all the children to heaven, that would be unjust for them because God would not have given them a chance to choose if they want to or not, I'm thinking of what that child chooses when he grows up.
God knows what that child grows up to be, a good person or not because He knows the future. So I don't believe that all the children will be saved. Besides, think of all the millions of children that are killed every year through abortion, are they all going to be saved? The answer to that question will be answered when Lord Jesus comes to take us home at His second coming.
Now, why do I say that not all children are going to be saved? We have examples of christian families, both parents obedient to God and their child chooses a different path that leads to death, even though he was raised in Church basically.
On the other hand, we have families that have nothing to do with God, but their child chooses the right path and will be saved. God is just in who He chooses. I'm sure that many people from church that we look up to will not be saved and many that we thought that they had no chance of getting to heaven will be there because God judges the secret man of the heart not by appearance like men do. Doamne ajuta, God bless.
there is direct scriptural evidence that children are not lost; in Matthew 19, Mark 10, and Luke 18, Jesus says to suffer the little children to come to Him, for of such is the kingdom of heaven...thats 3 witnesses in the sense of 3 different accounts, plus the fact that it is from the mouth of Christ whose words are sure
He compared children to the people who are in heaven, or rather He set up children as a standard for the saints to aspire to...yes all babies and young children go to Heaven when they die
Alright I'm up to 4 minutes 50 and so what you're telling me is I was better off dying as an infant then possibly living a life of sin is this correct? Because it sure sounds like it
the truth is? nobody knows. I asked this during my conversion process, even asked about animals and if they get a chance of a new life in a better place. Nobody knows, they might go on about it like they think they know....but they dont know.
Calvinist crap. Frightening that anyone still takes that deformed theology seriously today. Gnosticism lives on, alas.
@@ACTSVERSE I wonder how many get driven crazy because of all this. Ending up with deeply unhappy lives.
@@robraver Calvinism: election and reprobation are unconditional. Unless you're a child of an elect parent. Or you just die before some unspecified age. Then you are guaranteed to be elect. But other than that, it's unconditional.
@@ACTSVERSE but can a person willingly walk away? I mean knowing full well the consequences? there are warnings about that.
I am glad to finally see someone expound on this question using Scripture and not their own understanding, as most people do. I have argued with people for years over this. Most repeat the usual, "God saves them because they are innocent", or "they have never sinned", or "they can't understand the Gospel". And as you point out, none of these is relevant to the question. Most people I have argued with over the years have concluded that I hold babies go to hell. And that isn't right either. One Scriptural passage I would suggest people consider in this vein is the visitation of Mary to Elizabeth. Luke tells us that when Mary entered the house Eliabeth was immediately filled with the Holy Spirit and began prophesying. In the course of that prophesy she says that the baby in her own womb "lept with joy" at the greeting of Mary. So, according to the Holy Spirit's words through Elizabeth, the fetal John the Baptist not only could feel and express joy, he also recognized the presence of the fetal manifestation of God in the room. So, a fetus IS capable of relating to God. That being so, isn't it possible that a fetus could refuse that relationship? I would say yes. However, having never been exposed to the expression of their inherent sinful nature and the pleasure it CAN give, I would guess that they'd have very little reason to refuse God and the relationship He offers.
So, do I believe babies go to hell? I can only answer "they can if they choose". They are saved on the same grounds as we all are. Do we accept or refuse the light we have been given? "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil." The condemnation isn't a result of acts of sin. It is a result of refusing the light we are given.
Stephanie Somer: Jesus paid off the penalty imposed on Adam.
John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Humans now have the right to live forever on this earth which was God's original purpose. Those dead will be resurrected back on earth (Acts 25:15)
All this will happen after God's government (kingdom) takes over the rule of this earth (Matthew 6:10).
Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. (Matthew 5:5)
@@tongakhan230 I am well aware of that text. If you look closely, that was the same text I used. The only difference is I quoted the end of it while you quoted the beginning. However, nothing whatsoever in that text indicates a universal salvation as you are describing. While it is correct that Christ died for sins, what you are missing is that according to the rest of the passage judgement is now on the basis of accepting or rejecting that sacrifice for their own sins. Christ Himself declared that few will ever do so. So, only few will ever reach that goal which you describe. MOST will be eternally rejected and be cast into the lake of fire.
Stephanie Somer: Church members use the word salvation without having a clue as to what it really means. Most think it is life in heaven.
The bible promises everlasting life on earth, not in heaven. That was God' original purpose. It was thwarted by Satan for a time but will come to fruition soon after God's government takes over the rule of this earth and restores paradise (1 Corinthians 15:20-28).
If Jesus paid the price for Adam's disobedience, all Adam's progeny are removed from the curse of inherited imperfection leading to death. (Romans 5:12,18)
How will Abraham, Moses , David and others get life if they had to put faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice? They died long before Jesus did. That is where the resurrection comes into play.
The lake of fire is total annihilation from which there is no coming back. No resurrection. (Revelation 20:14,15).
@@tongakhan230 Annihilation means complete destruction or obliteration. You are saying essentially that those cast into the lake of fire cease to exist. And that is absolutely contradictory to SCripture.
Stephanie Somer: With respect. That is what most have been made to believe. Few check the scriptures.
Revelation 20:14 And death and the Grave (Hell) were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.
Death is a condition. The Grave (aka Hell) is a hole in the ground where the dead go. How can these be tortured or burned? It just means 'ended', 'no longer exists'.
1 Corinthians 15:24 Next, the end, when (Jesus) hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the LAST ENEMY, DEATH, is to be BROUGHT TO NOTHING.
How is death brought to nothing? It ceases to be a part of humans. Humans get everlasting life (John 3:16) (Revelation 21:3,4).
Given something like half the people ever born have died as children, that means all those individuals got a golden ticket to Heaven?
Consider what this alone means to this supposed divine all important test we're being make to take. Take ten people born a couple of thousands years ago, something like half of them would have died young, and got automatic entry into Heaven...
Instead have those ten people born today? None probably would...
How is this fair? How is it right that you can end up in Heaven or Hell by so much luck?
And let's not even start on what religion you happen to be born into, depending where/when you're born.
And as for "the love of God?" Needless/pointless childhood cancer - Why did God invent that needless vindictive blite? Excuse away as usual...
If that is the case, one can't fault fearful parents not wanting their children to grow up in a sinful world. So the parents decide to kill their children while they are in their innocence, knowing heaven will recieve them. One can't blame a parent for such a heinous act if that is the belief that heaven takes all dead babies/children.
Using the logic of this lesson the greatest evangelists are the abortionists who kill the child before it sins.
So... Did the children put to death during Joshua's conquest go to Heaven? You have some major problems with your theological reconciliations here in this video. Maybe Sheol, where they have the opportunity to see and believe in Christ? Or, you think babies in the OT automatically bypassed Sheol? Makes no sense, especially when it was called Abraham's side and Abraham was there.
I think this question falls into the category of God (the only Judge) gets to decide. Scripture is not clear. Lots of very challenging philosophical questions come up. On the one hand David says that in sin did my mother conceive me. And the Bible says that in Adam all die....so there are reasons from those verses that they might not be innocent and automatically going to heaven. Then again the Bible says in Revelation that the dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.....its hard for a baby to have done much (other than original sin). At the same time, and this is where the questions get difficult; are we not then making abortion doctors heroes if we conclude that all unborn babies go to heaven.......I mean if most people go to hell (small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life and only a few find it), then abortion would then be more effective a means of saving people then the cross of Christ. And, if were predestined, like the Bible, seems to teach, for eternal life; then why would we ever get aborted.....why wouldn't we be protected by guardian angels until we come to faith in Christ.....the bottom line is God, who is the only Judge, will get to decide. Certainly not for me to make that call.
I think you're right… The salvation of children (which seems fairly obvious in Scripture to me) would make abortion more effective than the cross from your point of view. Not exactly a powerful view of the Almighty in my opinion. Moses 1:39 tells us exactly where God finds glory and it is through our salvation (our eternal life.) That's a lot of glory for God to lose with most people in hell! Answer can be found in First Timothy 4:10 "That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe." So God is going to save all people according to the Scripture but especially the believers. How does this work? In revelations we are painted with a word picture of a crucible just as was done many times in the Old Testament. The sins of the people and their torment will burn off and rise into the smoke, separated from them. It's no coincidence that crucibles in ancient times used sulfur to purify gold in a container of fire. If it is a literal lake of fire that we sit in for eternity and eternity (Aion does not mean eternity by the way, it means an age) why include the sulfur in this allegorical word picture? Is it because the pain of fire is an enough and it has to stink as well? This assertion is ridiculous. Sulfur was a component used in crucibles to purify gold. Every knee that bows and tongue that professes shall be saved and guess what everyone will do after the rapture? Every knee shall bow and tongue shall profess. If God's glory is the salvation of man and God will be made all and all (First Corinthians 15:28) Then he will have complete victory. This is why the cross is far more powerful than an abortion Dr.
Scripture is very clear, just stop listening to this guy, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Read Ecclesiastes chapter 12 vs 7, this tells you what happens to everyone at death.
@@jordanpease3329 Read Ecclesiastes chapter 12 vs 7. Please don't listen to the guy in this video, he's clueless.
@@learsi5168 It's a great Scripture! Another testament that God will have complete victory. Thank you for your input! :-)
God has made you so wise.
As it relates to Dr Schreiner about babies when they die..what about young children? At what time does God determine they become accountable for their sins?
Mark OnTheBlueRidge amen!!!!!!
Diane Widner Babies and children goes to Heaven they are innocent in God eyes
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge Excuse me, but just a reminder, your bible says that (Romans 3:10) There is *none* righteous, no not one.
(1 John 1:8) If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us.
At what point is one innocent if everyone is born and shapened in iniquity, according to the bible.
Thanks for this.
+Christy Sherrill You're welcome!
Serious question though: to the "will God always do what is right?" "Right" in OUR eyes, or His? If His ways are greater and beyond our understanding, is it plausible that He believes it is RIGHT for all to be judged for sin, that even newborns are condemned in original sin? This is worrisome for me.
And for the opportunity standpoint: what about people who have never had the chance to hear the gospel? Aren't they condemned even though they also had no opportunity? And if they ARE innocent as well because of the lack of opportunity wouldn't it be counter-productive for anyone to have ever spread the gospel if ignorance of it would have kept us safe from Hell?
Wow, careful with the "well, thats not true!" statements; you are quoting GOD In HIS Holy Scriptures when saying that!
I'm wondering if that doesn't answer the question of whether or not children are born inherently good or evil? it seems as if it does, but it is hard for me to see evil in babies. they seem so perfect, so happy, so purely good!
Psalm 51:5, Job 15:4
How can you judge a baby for what Adam and Eve did? Omg you are so...
that makes no sense
Andreea T I still dont understand why any of us are being judged for what Adam & Eve did :(
Wait... you were expecting religion to make sense? You poor thing.
Andreea • we’re not judging that baby and saying “you deserve hell cause you’re a sinner” it’s more so like, babies are humans and all humans are naturally sinful. However babies haven’t actually committed any sins yet, but their nature as humans is sinful and not perfect. The only perfect one is God.
Because we were all born into sin
@@carin5654 because they tainted all of creation. God made it easy for us to be saved. You view it bad
His explanation is logically inconsistent to the point of incoherency.
He forgot to tell us. Will the babies be in heaven live as a babies? Well, that would be suck to me. Plus, if someone could be a hero by killing babies (as painless as possible) to prevent them to go to hell then he would be a hero that be send to hell by God. He would be a "sinner" but a hero nonetheless to those babies. Those babies in heaven will then think: "Ah thank you my hero for saving us from God's crazy unnecessary game." But i wish i could've saved you from hell, said the babies as they cry in heaven for the hero. How am i gonna enjoy heaven with people suffering in hell. I would be a crazy person. :( Ofc i don't consider killing babies is heroic, but in God's fucked up game it sounds like a heroic thing to do, to kill those babies and prevent them for sinning and going to hell. Technically the baby killer completely remove the chance of someone going to hell to 0% if this was how the game system work like this guy said. Instant heaven who doesn't want that. The babies are like: "fuck god's test, who needs that? we just avoid it by luck, hehe."
Don't try to make Christians think of these things. Whatever they personally believe is what God does anyway. Each and every one of them.
I think your comments are absolutely brilliant. I do also think that this comes into account where mentally handicapped people and even people or other children who do not understand the concept of sin is it Genesis states will God not do what is right? Of course. He would never send to Hell those who do not understand the concept of sin again, infants, children to sit knowledge, I’m not sure it’s called the age of accountability any people use
For example, if I asked a three-year-old what is sin, he or she would generally believe not know he or she may know the difference between right or wrong, don’t touch the stove because it’s hot and it will hurt you but their understanding is limited to that sort of right or wrong behaviour. A child of that age, perhaps would not going to intentionally stab something to death circumstances where one might, but that’s going down a chain of psychological issues that is not in issue here. What we are discussing. I genuinely believe is about the knowledge of sin. Therefore, how can we say that an unborn infant has KNOWLEDGE of sin, no, and again with the severely mentally handicapped. Bless you
James 1:15 says that sin is the result of desire conceiving. In other words, being born a sinner doesn't actually make you condemned for sinning -- as alleged at 1:10 (without any scriptural substantiation). Like Adam & Eve who both desired to know good and evil & yet were not guilty of sin until after they ate the forbidden fruit, none of us are guilty of sin until the moment in which our desire to sin is conceived in an act of sin. This is corroborated by Romans 9:11 that explicitly confirms the unborn are incapable of doing anything good or bad.
James 2:17 indicates that this same principle applies in the opposite direction of saving faith as well. Saving faith is not born until the moment in which our faith is conceived into an act of faith. Therefore, babies are indeed innocent even though they were born sinners.
But regardless of what theological justification it takes to get there, the fact is that God is good and we can trust Him -- especially with our most vulnerable and beloved & if any of these suffer injustice, God will not be mocked and He will repay.
This is so profound. I love this Theology
How is this even a question up for debate?!! An infant is completely innocent in the truest sense of the term.
I'm a christian and i still struggle with this passage, i know the one thing to remember is that God is Just and righteous and he does things with a plan beyond what men can comprehend. The reality is we still remain in a state of uncertainty, i say that because we're only making an inference when referring to this passage. The preacher said it himself, David is HOPING he would be reunited with his son. Although, David was a great men of God even he didn't know if he would actually see his child again. I don't know it's just something to think about.
My two year old baby girl drowned in a pool at the babysitters house that was just chemically treated. She was in there for 30 minutes before they found her. So not only did she ingest the poisonous chemicals, she drowned. My two year old SUFFERED horribly!!!! Why would God allow that to happen? Why would an all knowing God even bring her into the world KNOWING she’d have to endure that???? And then create the domino effect of pain throughout me and my whole family??? Bring her into the world just to take her out two years later KNOWING that would happen?!! I need answers.
First, my condolences and Lord have mercy on your great pain.
I'll pray for you to evercome such a tragedy.
Be sure God is the fountain of justice and your child is in his Kingdom were suffering doesn't exist.
Second, God gave us children to take care of them, even though tragedy may happen, because this world is not paradise, but the result of human rebelion against God in Genesis (Adam & Eve).
Your child was to be protected to avoid harm by accident. Certainly the babysitter has the guilt on this tragedy and God gives us free will to act properly by choice, so let's not blame God on humans faults.
Trust in God and His mercy, who will hear your prayers along with your heavenly child. ☦️
I lost my granddaughter last week I feel so empty and terrified
you said i think! thank you for being HONEST, and as you said we don't have a direct scripture on the subject; God Bless.
We are born with the propensity to sin, but we are not born sinners or sinning.
I think this was a good explanation of the issue. Remember when Jesus said, "It will be more tolerable for Sodom & Gomorrah...than it will be for that town". It doesn't seem God's judgement will be "one size fits all", even though ALL are sinful. Let's give God's judgements, righteousness and mercy at least as much credit as we do for ourselves when we question this issue. Even righteous Job was really more concerned with maintaining his integrity...than he was of God's integrity in his sufferings.
How is this a difficult question?
Matthew 18:6-9
6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
joseph jackson: Jesus was referring to humble ones not babies. Humble ones search for the truth. Those who put stumbling blocks to stop them are whom Jesus was referring to.
Every human is precious in God's sight. Even an unborn baby.
Exodus 21:22 “If men should struggle with each other and they hurt a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but no fatality results, the offender must pay the damages imposed on him by the husband of the woman; and he must pay it through the judges. 23 But if a fatality does occur, then you must give life for life,
All who die should be resurrected to live on earth under God's government.
Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
Tonga Khan I think it still applies, in a sense.
joseph jackson: Nice to think so. But babies cannot be stumbled.
The bible has a hope for those who die. They won't float around in some surreal heavenly abode, but be resurrected and enjoy everlasting life here on a changed earth.
Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. (Matthew 5:5)
This kind of discussion is made exponentially more difficult by a widespread misunderstanding. Christianity is not a _"go-to-heaven-when-you-die"_ religion. It is a _"resurrection-from-the-dead religion."_ Nobody goes to heaven. Not when they die, not ever.
✴ _The highest heavens belong to the LORD, but the earth He has given to mankind._ (Psalms 115: 16, BSB)
✴ _The righteous will inherit the earth and dwell in it forever._ (Psalms 37: 29, NAB)
I believe that a person who has been saved can never revel in commiting a sinful act. There is a feeling of guilt and sorrow for failing Our Savior.
Then you believe works can save you...Jesus came for the sinner. Repentance is just that...being saved....sinning and then asking for forgiveness and trying not to do it again.
To say that infants are not innocent is just nonsense of the highest order. What are they guilty of?
Of cuteness, duh... 🧐
The Dr's thought, the lawyers thought, the elders thought, the high priests thought they knew. Until Grace appeared! And they had know clue. They only had the law which is Holy but it was uncompleted until the full volume came in flesh to explain and to preach and to heal and set captives free and save us in his Journey. Listen when we die the body sleeps. But our spirit man lives. Remember that people of God. He simply loves you and is in love with you your children your unborn your babies and even big babies like us.
@Southern Seminary - Thank you for the efforts to answer a very difficult question in the light of The Word. It is indeed it a heart cry of many.
So does this explanation includes/excludes death of an infant or miscarried or aborted babies of unbelieving parents?
The topic here is not only babies but toddlers who still doesn’t understand sin so until they know what is sin and understand what it is, they are innocent. I believe the same goes to mentally retarded individuals.
Humans in every stage of development and life will have bad things happen to them. That is because Adam passed down imperfection to his children by breaking away from God's rulership.
Romans 5:12 That is why, just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned
To pay off this penalty God sent his son to die. This releases all Adam's children from inheriting this stain of imperfection.
John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
(cf Romans 5:18)
The dead will be resurrected under God's government to enable these to inherit the life they should have inherited. Everlasting life. (Acts 24:15)
Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
Jesus reiterated this at Matthew 5:5.
@@edijares1543 Be careful. That logic is a slippery slope to universalism.
In Ezekiel 18:20 it says "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." If we are no longer punished for our father's sins, why would a baby be considered sinful due to Adam and Eve? From what I understand, sin is a verb, it's actions we do that are against God. In Mark 7:20-23 it says "And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.” Since a baby never had the opportunity to commit these sins I don't see why they would be considered sinful.
In the early Catholic church the answer would have been unbaptized babies, along with every other unbaptized person goes to hell. All the early Church father's said as much. I remember on writing where babies were considered the perfect example of sin, demanding, selfish, stealing lying little monsters and that he was looking forward to being in heaven looking down at the unbaptized babies crawling around on the floor of hell. Of course this is the same church that practiced trial by ordeal so what can you expect.
If you go straight to heaven you die, does the miscarriaged baby grow and become reunited with the parents being raised by angels in the separated years?
It seems to me the dead are raised together. And the babies are raised babies to be raised by the saved parent on the day of the resurrection.
If God's justness and goodness has nothing to do with what we see as just and good (since his ways are higher than ours), can we really use the first scripture to justify that babies don't go to hell when they die? Perhaps there is hidden good and justness in the action that we as simple human beings cannot see.
There are at least 2 specific scriptures that are clearly avoided in this fairly consistent Baptist argument re: age of accountability:
1. Palm 139:16 "... in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them."
2. Eph. 1:4 is one of the fundamental scriptures in the Reformed Theological view concerning election. "...even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him."
So, before the foundation of the world, He chose SOME for eternal life in Christ and others He did NOT. Logically, those who were NOT chosen to eternal life (before the earth's foundation) would be sinners already "condemned."
The other issues is, when all the Canaanite nations were destroyed by Joshua, even children n babies were killed, what do you make of that. I think the situation dictates, because when jeroboam sent his wife to a prophet, the prophet said that that particular child will die as he won't share in jeroboams punishment.
Finally in 1 Corinthians 7 Paul says that the children are sanctified or set apart due to the believing parents faith.
While God will do the tight thing, I think our comfort should be limited to Christian infants. I don't think we can make this a general rule. Uts a sad topic but God is sovereign and we can't know everything
What questions should I be asking myself when trying to study the scriptures. I am presently reading Nehemiah and I am asking, what is G-d showing me? What am I to learn here or any other book of the bible. Some are obvious, some not so much. Is there a who, what, where, when road map, system that scholars use?
I have found that the Bible is incomplete by itself. It contains some but not all of God’s word. Please see www.ChurchofJesusChrist.org
What is the difference between single and double predestination? Can explain the biblical and pastoral concerns that arise with each? Thanks!
+John Baker Thanks for your question! We'll try to address it in a future episode of Honest Answers. In the meantime, thanks for following the series.
Single predestination refers to unconditional election. Double predestination refers to election and reprobation. Reprobation is the doctrine that God predestined the damned to hell. The damned are punished for sin, but that alone is not why God predestined them to hell inasmuch as everyone is (or will be or would be) a sinner. That, in a nutshell, is what the terms mean. Freewill theists object to both. I don't think double predestination raises any pastoral concerns. But it's best to address one question at a time.
John Baker I think, though of course some will disagree!, that it makes little sense to talk about single predestination. Single predestination would say that God predestined (chose before the world began) certain idividuals to life (salvation in Christ) but did not predestine others to death (condemnation/damnation.) I would argue that in choosing not to appoint them unto life and subsequently regenerating them, God chooses to appoint them unto death. This does not mean that He condemns them arbitrarily, but perfectly justly for their sin, nor that He keeps them from believing, but leaves them to their unbelief. I affirm double predestination, but also believe it is proper and consistent to say that God is entirely responsible for man's salvation, but man is entirely responsible (morally) for his own condemnation. God held none back.
See, for a very few references, Matthew 11:25-30 and Romans 9, especially 6-23. Consider also God's relationship with Israel whereby He chose one people to reveal Himself to, while largely leaving all other people's/nations to themselves and only general revelation (Romans 1:19-23.) I don't mean that His choice of Israel is identical to predestination because not all Israel believed, but it shows plainly that God chooses freely and graciously to interact with different people in different ways, showing more grace to some while leaving others to themselves (that is, to their own darkened hearts which reject the testimony of creation ala Romans 1.)
Some pastoral concerns are that many object to these doctrines as perhaps hard hearted, unfair, "not what my God would do," or contrary to their understanding of certain other scriptures. It is essential to declare this with clarity as plain Biblical teaching, showing God's perfect justice and the perfect and necessary freedom of His grace. God is not required by justice to be gracious, nor to show equal measures of grace - that's the very nature of grace. This ought to be a doctrine of comfort to believers, never of discouragement to unbelievers. Back to Matthew 11, Jesus said, "ALL who are weary and heavy laden..." and was not disingenuous in so saying. any view of predestination that limits the extent of the free offer of the gospel below the scriptural offer is deformed. Keep in mind also God elsewhere said He takes no delight in the death of the wicked. "Willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known..." NOT "delighting in the death of the wicked and the damnation of sinners"
I hope this was helpful, and that you find it to say no more than scripture will support. You can readily find much fuller treatments of the matter, though, of course, views differ.
Chris Brenan Re: your 1st parag., 2nd sentence.
All are dead in trespasses and sins as per Rom. 5:12 ; Eph. 2:1-3. We are all condemned into that spiritually dead state through unbelief as per John 3:18. We don't have to be predestined to condemnation -- it's the universal condition of inheriting Adam's corruption that leaves us spiritually disconnected from God, unable to know Him or even seek Him as per Psalm 14:1-3 ; 53:1-3 ; Rom. 3:10-18. There is a Divine predestination to save some through the mercy of God as per Rom. 9:15,16,18 but human condemnation is a result of God's promise to execute Divine justice for disobedience as per Gen. 2:17. That justice, resulting in death, fell on both Adam and Eve through their transgression. It would seem to be a stretch to affirm that God's justice bringing condemnation emanates from a predestinating decree rather than just His foreknowledge.
John Baker: No one is predestined. Everyone has a free choice. Else, these scriptures make no sense.
Deuteronomy 30:19 I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must CHOOSE life so that you may live, you and your descendants, 20 by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice, and by sticking to him, for he is your life and by him you will endure a long time in the land that Jehovah swore to give to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”
Matthew 18:2 So calling a young child to him, he stood him in their midst 3 and said: “Truly I say to you, unless you turn around and become as young children, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens.
Acts 3:19 “Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get your sins blotted out, so that seasons of refreshing may come from Jehovah himself
I know Catholics believe babies are born with 'original sin', and insist on instant baptism. However, the Bible teaches that one must be cognizant of one's sinful nature in order to repent - and then be baptized. Infants do not have this awareness. (,So I presume they are protected until they have a discerning conscience??? I liked your answer that they are protected by grace, until.....)
I disagree with your understanding of Romans 5:12-19. Instead of 6 minutes of gyration, you could have shortened this to 2 minutes. Infants are conceived with a sin nature, but they have not committed sin. See how much simpler that is?
Yeah but he's Calvinist tho so he has to give his ridiculous interpretation
The problem with this is logically we don’t operate in a world where sin or punishment is inherited... if a murder goes to jail for 100 years and dies before his time you don’t take his offspring to finish out the sentence.
We inherit the propensity to sin in our nature (wich shows as we grow old), but not the guilt of past generations.
I’m not sure I agree with your thoughts on Romans 5
Deuteronomy 1:39
I think babies are innocent, even with Paul’s colorful hyperbolic language of babies being sinful. Of course they’re innocent.
God is clear that he looks out the most for those who truly are weak and helpless in society. Children are among the top of that list.
If God take Enoch who has the mental capacity to speak, walk, talk and understand right from wrong to heaven with out dying. Then God would not send a baby who can't talk, think walk or anything who hasn't had a chance to come to Christ. Yes we are born in sin but God's Grace is WAY more sufficient than we could ever imagine.