It is a bad situation that has really impacted the last couple of years. Alabama Hills BLM camping areas in lower California have been closed as well and there are many more in process. People need to be more responsible and clean up, leave no trace like it used to be. Thanks for sharing all the info on this continuing development for dispersed camping. Take care.
Thank you, your input. It's sad it has come to this. I've camped these areas and more in Arizona and Ohio since i was a little girl. And thank you for watching our channel. We have other videos you might like.
What happened is we let GOV own land instead of the citizens. It's ours and if we don't take care the GOV tales it over. When I camp I pick-up and take it all home,because I want to come back.
Thank you, for trying to help keep our camping areas clean. We do the same thing. The rangers have advised us if we see someone dumping trash or leaving trash. To take a picture of them doing it with license plate if can get then send to them. DO NOT confront them.
No matter who is responsible of the land. People will still be jerks and trash wherever. Thank you, for Pack in, Pack out. We are self-contained, what we take camping comes out with us when we leave plus more trash someone left. The places we showed in the video we have camped there. But NO MORE. They are talking about charging fees for the use day, picnic or camping.
@@abroadrunners I come from a forestry/firefighting family. My uncle was forestry and mountain search and rescue for 30 years and my grandfather was a firefighter and mountain search and rescue for many years. We were raised outdoors and taught to respect our surroundings no matter where we are. We were taught that if we pack it in we pack it out. And I always report people dumping illegally, have illegal campfires (that I occasionally put out), or dumping or threatening to dump animals. None of which I will tolerate. Rules are there for a reason and having class and pride in keeping your camp neat and clean. They are charging for places that were free or charging more for camping area and campground to keep out the riff raff and to be able to pick up after tacky people. No need to thank me for doing what I was taught is proper and respectful. I'm not a young person, so I was brought up with respect and zero entitlement. Be safe out there and enjoy the beauty we were given to enjoy.
Thank you, for your comment. It's not just one type of group. It's all types of life rich to poor, young to old. Yes charging will help some but not completely. when caught the penalty needs to be hard for it to get around to stop all the damage.
You're on the wrong side of Flat Iron. They always close stuff off Idaho. Yeah, people trash the OHV areas, but there are plenty of other places to camp around Superior and Queen Valley on the other side of Gold Canyon. You could even push it out towards Kelvin or Winkelmann if you want to stay in the low desert. That area is nice near the Gila river.
Thank you, for your input. We were showing closures areas that use to be nice camping on BLM Land, OHV areas closed because being trashed. We know there is camping on the Trust and State land East of Gold Canyon, Superior way, and down toward Florence. There are a number of places to camp in Arizona that are nice. But they won't be around if people keep trashing them. The forest service is not the peoples maid.
@@abroadrunners Yeah, I get what you're saying. There are a lot of people in the PHX valley and AJ has never been particularly nice in spots. I've noticed the places closer to the city have gotten a lot worse in the past few years since people have moved in and times have gotten harder. The last time I was up by Canyon Lake, I couldn't help but notice a few squatters just up the road near the old Goldfield Mine - totally trashing the place too. I generally stay away from the easy to reach spots for this reason. It's not a new thing, but it has gotten worse since people are essentially living in some of these spots. They've also closed a lot of spots due to the fire risk. They'll open back up in a month or so.
@@Brian_C_ I have looked at Goldfield, Superstition Mountains for years. we never had these issues till Bob Wells started doing videos. Telling everyone free camping, cheat living but never saying anything about Pack in Pack out. You can do Van or Camper builds but one important thing take to dump.
Thank you, for your comment. We have heard some say " I pay taxes I can do what I want. The Forest Service can clean it." Way wrong answer. The Forest Service is not the maid. There are camping rules and laws. Hope that the campers respect the area and keep clean for the next person or group wanting to camp. Go back east you have to pay to get in campgrounds.
Thank you for your input. It's also campfire not put out. Bottles, cans, trash being thrown out. The sun catches it and starts a fire. When in school for science we had to take a piece of glass hold over a piece of paper and set on fire. Same thing with what is thrown out on the side of the road.
There are people living and trashing out at Table Mesa north of Phoenix now. You also have, so sad to say, the shooters that completely trash the desert. Not saying all of them but I am saying enough of them…
Tweakers are Zombies and could care less about anything but their next hit. Lazy Campers are just as bad. Only solution is to charge people $50 +++ nightly and Staff and Patrol the Campgrounds.
Thank you for comment. I don't know what they do but leaving trash behind not cool. I heard that the Forest Service have been talking about charging day use, picnics. camping and having permits. Plus, cameras have been put out so if caught you pay.
That's your opinion, but we have heard firsthand from Forest Service and AZ Game and Fish have cameras out. If caught you will pay. They're not sanitation workers. Some have been hurt cleaning the mess up. Some of your so-called locals have their vehicles registered locally. We are just showing what has been closed and no matter who TRASHED the camping areas. We all lose in the long run.
You are right I've seen campers at LTVA too lazy to put their trash in the dumper but drive by the dumper to the store. There was a sign stating on dumpers are full. You can take trash to dumper down by the lake. That wasn't done the camper just dropped the trash outside the dumper on the ground.
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It's so sad people have to trash something and ruin it for everyone else
We agree, it'll come to a point you want to camp you pay wherever it may be.
It is a bad situation that has really impacted the last couple of years. Alabama Hills BLM camping areas in lower California have been closed as well and there are many more in process. People need to be more responsible and clean up, leave no trace like it used to be. Thanks for sharing all the info on this continuing development for dispersed camping. Take care.
Thank you, your input. It's sad it has come to this. I've camped these areas and more in Arizona and Ohio since i was a little girl. And thank you for watching our channel. We have other videos you might like.
What happened is we let GOV own land instead of the citizens. It's ours and if we don't take care the GOV tales it over.
When I camp I pick-up and take it all home,because I want to come back.
Every single camp I go to free or paid, I pick up tons of trash after the slobs that think they are above picking up anything.
Thank you, for trying to help keep our camping areas clean. We do the same thing. The rangers have advised us if we see someone dumping trash or leaving trash. To take a picture of them doing it with license plate if can get then send to them. DO NOT confront them.
No matter who is responsible of the land. People will still be jerks and trash wherever. Thank you, for Pack in, Pack out. We are self-contained, what we take camping comes out with us when we leave plus more trash someone left. The places we showed in the video we have camped there. But NO MORE. They are talking about charging fees for the use day, picnic or camping.
@@abroadrunners I come from a forestry/firefighting family. My uncle was forestry and mountain search and rescue for 30 years and my grandfather was a firefighter and mountain search and rescue for many years. We were raised outdoors and taught to respect our surroundings no matter where we are. We were taught that if we pack it in we pack it out. And I always report people dumping illegally, have illegal campfires (that I occasionally put out), or dumping or threatening to dump animals. None of which I will tolerate. Rules are there for a reason and having class and pride in keeping your camp neat and clean. They are charging for places that were free or charging more for camping area and campground to keep out the riff raff and to be able to pick up after tacky people. No need to thank me for doing what I was taught is proper and respectful. I'm not a young person, so I was brought up with respect and zero entitlement. Be safe out there and enjoy the beauty we were given to enjoy.
Thank you, for your comment. It's not just one type of group. It's all types of life rich to poor, young to old. Yes charging will help some but not completely. when caught the penalty needs to be hard for it to get around to stop all the damage.
You're on the wrong side of Flat Iron. They always close stuff off Idaho. Yeah, people trash the OHV areas, but there are plenty of other places to camp around Superior and Queen Valley on the other side of Gold Canyon. You could even push it out towards Kelvin or Winkelmann if you want to stay in the low desert. That area is nice near the Gila river.
Thank you, for your input. We were showing closures areas that use to be nice camping on BLM Land, OHV areas closed because being trashed. We know there is camping on the Trust and State land East of Gold Canyon, Superior way, and down toward Florence. There are a number of places to camp in Arizona that are nice. But they won't be around if people keep trashing them. The forest service is not the peoples maid.
@@abroadrunners Yeah, I get what you're saying. There are a lot of people in the PHX valley and AJ has never been particularly nice in spots. I've noticed the places closer to the city have gotten a lot worse in the past few years since people have moved in and times have gotten harder. The last time I was up by Canyon Lake, I couldn't help but notice a few squatters just up the road near the old Goldfield Mine - totally trashing the place too. I generally stay away from the easy to reach spots for this reason. It's not a new thing, but it has gotten worse since people are essentially living in some of these spots. They've also closed a lot of spots due to the fire risk. They'll open back up in a month or so.
@@Brian_C_ I have looked at Goldfield, Superstition Mountains for years. we never had these issues till Bob Wells started doing videos. Telling everyone free camping, cheat living but never saying anything about Pack in Pack out. You can do Van or Camper builds but one important thing take to dump.
It is sad that people can be so lazy as to not clean up after themselves
It is sad that people can't pack out, what they pack in. We're in a RV Park stay due to medical and can't camp on our favorite camping areas.
Guess these lazy campers think clean up is for landowner,or no trash cans..shame can't take trash with them.
Thank you, for your comment. We have heard some say " I pay taxes I can do what I want. The Forest Service can clean it." Way wrong answer. The Forest Service is not the maid. There are camping rules and laws. Hope that the campers respect the area and keep clean for the next person or group wanting to camp. Go back east you have to pay to get in campgrounds.
Irresponsible people smoke.
Thank you for your input. It's also campfire not put out. Bottles, cans, trash being thrown out. The sun catches it and starts a fire. When in school for science we had to take a piece of glass hold over a piece of paper and set on fire. Same thing with what is thrown out on the side of the road.
There are people living and trashing out at Table Mesa north of Phoenix now. You also have, so sad to say, the shooters that completely trash the desert. Not saying all of them but I am saying enough of them…
Thank you for the information. We appreciate your comment.
Tweakers are Zombies and could care less about anything but their next hit. Lazy Campers are just as bad. Only solution is to charge people $50 +++ nightly and Staff and Patrol the Campgrounds.
Thank you for comment. I don't know what they do but leaving trash behind not cool. I heard that the Forest Service have been talking about charging day use, picnics. camping and having permits. Plus, cameras have been put out so if caught you pay.
It is mostly locals that do these things and then try to blame travelers.
I agree, many are too lazy to dispose of their trash properly
All the locals I've seen had out of state plates on their RVs and side by sides. Heard trail cameras being put up to catch whom it maybe. JUST SAYIN
@@barbarar3703 - Nah, I've been in lots of places where it was local people running a-mock.
That's your opinion, but we have heard firsthand from Forest Service and AZ Game and Fish have cameras out. If caught you will pay. They're not sanitation workers. Some have been hurt cleaning the mess up. Some of your so-called locals have their vehicles registered locally. We are just showing what has been closed and no matter who TRASHED the camping areas. We all lose in the long run.
You are right I've seen campers at LTVA too lazy to put their trash in the dumper but drive by the dumper to the store. There was a sign stating on dumpers are full. You can take trash to dumper down by the lake. That wasn't done the camper just dropped the trash outside the dumper on the ground.