New Lawsuit Updates! Natalie Ryan | Gannon Buhr | Mcbeth/Cease

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  • @joeblow2426
    @joeblow2426 10 місяців тому +62

    Thanks for the updates.
    I hope people realize how important the McCease and Ryan cases are.

    • @MaxLBogue
      @MaxLBogue 9 місяців тому

      Yeah, it will be interesting to see if the courts decide (against precedent) that anti-discrimination legislation can be thrown out or not.

  • @Riannacaswell1
    @Riannacaswell1 10 місяців тому +30

    Here for the McBeth/Cease update. Thank you for the awesome summary of the progress and status so far! I hope this doesn't cause any issues for the Florida Open next spring.

    • @Bruce_Woozerbomb
      @Bruce_Woozerbomb 10 місяців тому +2

      I hope it doesn’t either especially because the Las Vegas challenge, which has been the first non exhibit event of the pro tour for the past 5 or so years, was booted out

  • @Kroogg
    @Kroogg 10 місяців тому +20

    I really think the defendants should counter-sue. People may be less likely to sue if they have something real to lose.

  • @RyantheShort
    @RyantheShort 10 місяців тому +25

    Great content as always! The clip with Seth Rogen talking to Hannah McBeth had me rolling! 🤣

  • @Chris.Davies
    @Chris.Davies 10 місяців тому +33

    I am so glad I live in NZ, where we have a "no fault" system, and this practically eliminates all personal litigation. It is not possible to sue someone for negligence in NZ. If you committed criminal negligence, then police may charge you with the crime, and you may be directed to pay compensation to the victim if found guilty, but in 99% of cases, New Zealand's Accident Compensation laws means you get taken care of by the government: 80% of your lost wages and all your medical bills are paid.
    This system is funded by employee-paid levies which are a part of the income tax automatically deducted for wage earners. The more dangerous your job, the higher the levies. Protip: Don't take up commercial fishing, or become a forestry worker. Those people have by far the most injuries of any industry!

    • @jsmith4179
      @jsmith4179 10 місяців тому

      No one cares

    • @mikewest712
      @mikewest712 10 місяців тому

      Chris Davies found again .

  • @DiscGolf_
    @DiscGolf_ 10 місяців тому +15

    Great information. I think Paul and Dylan are victims of extortion... IMHO

    • @JacobPorterLadder
      @JacobPorterLadder 10 місяців тому +2

      10000000% apparently the guy owes invoices to Gateway in the neighborhood of 10K

    • @anthony452
      @anthony452 9 місяців тому

      Yea, crazy that it's a scumbag who actually owns a discgolf store. I really hope the word gets out in his community about him.

    • @lynch42o
      @lynch42o 9 місяців тому

      @@anthony452 typical liberal sht. I hope no one supports that dbag store.

  • @aramdg
    @aramdg 10 місяців тому +4

    The Pineapple Express reference brought me so much joy. Thank you.

  • @JarrettWBass
    @JarrettWBass 10 місяців тому +4

    Love your breakdown of all the cases. I feel for the course owners, in both cases.

  • @EthanDiscgolf
    @EthanDiscgolf 10 місяців тому +4

    This is the video I have been waiting for! Thanks for all the updates! 🔥🔥

  • @modgmodg6987
    @modgmodg6987 10 місяців тому +6

    More money More problems. Thanks for the update.

    • @dustman96
      @dustman96 10 місяців тому +2

      Money = vultures

  • @ArcticKats
    @ArcticKats 10 місяців тому +18

    Do you think the PDGA moved the 2024 tournaments from Cali & Arizona to Florida & other states because of the legal battles?

    • @michaelmaniloff9297
      @michaelmaniloff9297 10 місяців тому +2

      Vegas, not Arizona.

    • @ArcticKats
      @ArcticKats 10 місяців тому +4

      you forget the early February tournament in Phoenix at Fountain Hills DGC.
      Bodanza, Drew Gibson & Foundation just had vids at that course

    • @lafondawilliams
      @lafondawilliams 10 місяців тому

      ​@@michaelmaniloff9297fact checked 😂

    • @michaelmaniloff9297
      @michaelmaniloff9297 10 місяців тому

      @ArcticKats cool I was not aware. Thanks I'll check it out.

    • @birdinflight3861
      @birdinflight3861 10 місяців тому

      @@ArcticKatsmemorial hasn’t been on the DGPT for a couple of years now

  • @twiggytags7920
    @twiggytags7920 10 місяців тому +10

    Ty for the content 😁

  • @TheFlarcus
    @TheFlarcus 10 місяців тому +2

    This is a fairly accurate and well researched presentation. However, I feel like you may have missed the primary issue in the McCease case as you describe it. To me, the real question is the attempt to invalidate the liability waiver, which is a standard feature and an important protection to the disc golf tournament, structure and format as we know it. If the challenge to the liability waiver is upheld, it remains to be seen whether or not disc golf tournaments as we know them can possibly continue.

  • @AndrewHicks1984
    @AndrewHicks1984 10 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for the updates and love the Radford hat!

  • @bosta84
    @bosta84 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the updates. I really enjoyed this one.

  • @rageoid
    @rageoid 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the updates. I suspect the sport exemption in MN will rule the day eventually, after many many thousands have been spent by PDGA and DGPT !

  • @ahsleywithabeard
    @ahsleywithabeard 10 місяців тому +1

    Thx for the updates!

  • @JacobPorterLadder
    @JacobPorterLadder 10 місяців тому +1

    The McCease case not being closed makes the DGPT decision to have the "Florida Open" there a head scratcher. Also the fact that course needs a lot of work from what people have said .

  • @theairportstuff
    @theairportstuff 9 місяців тому

    It does appear, from reading the reviews of the McCease course on Udisc that no improvements have been made yet. Still complaints on cow poop even. Expect more lawsuits because that course is dangerous.

  • @mscudde2
    @mscudde2 10 місяців тому +1

    Appreciate the update!

  • @gene6839
    @gene6839 9 місяців тому

    Does it say what where the injuries the disc gold player in the tournament received? Thank you

  • @ryansmifh
    @ryansmifh 10 місяців тому

    sweet hoodie man! Nolan is the man

  • @davepalmer9265
    @davepalmer9265 10 місяців тому +79

    😂dude trying to play against the ladies.. this worlds insane

    • @ThePokamitch
      @ThePokamitch 10 місяців тому

      And this cuck keeps calling him, "her".

    • @nbecker824
      @nbecker824 10 місяців тому

      🤡🤡🤡

    • @xxbpxpeanutxxx162
      @xxbpxpeanutxxx162 9 місяців тому

      Can’t believe the man wants to play with women. Weakkkk

  • @randallmcquain9399
    @randallmcquain9399 9 місяців тому

    Where can I get one of those hoodies?

  • @philipsaul
    @philipsaul 9 місяців тому

    Do one for the new TOSY smart disc, it's delayed due to a patent lawsuit. Not sure how much info there is on it

  • @D-ragon-S
    @D-ragon-S 10 місяців тому +16

    Accepting her gender doesn't mean you can not except her participation in the FPO.
    The fact has always showed that a gender borned man has a lot more strength then a gender born woman.
    Therefore it is unfair to compete for money.
    I accept Natalie's choice to change gender but not her competing against women.

    • @hoyle7780
      @hoyle7780 10 місяців тому +4

      How many events did she win again this year? I fail to see this dominance everyone is referring to. I personally dont care either way but it annoys me that people are so hateful. Maybe I don't agree with everything but I will still treat her with kindness and respect. At the end of the day she's a touring pro & I think that's cool.

    • @birdinflight3861
      @birdinflight3861 10 місяців тому

      @@hoyle7780quite a few over the last couple of seasons. At least 2-3. And each time Natalie cashes a bunch of women are displaced from their proper payout.

    • @D-ragon-S
      @D-ragon-S 10 місяців тому +7

      @@hoyle7780 The dominance in competitions has not been showed yet. And that is why it has to be addressed right now.
      I have no hate against Natalie and support her discission to become the the identity she needs to be to feel fulfilled. Much love to her.
      The problem is that when it comes to competing on a fair plainfield. It's not fair to (by birth gender) have a significant higher strength in a sport that demands strength.
      If it was an other sport like skeet shooting or dart or snooker, then it's not a factor with strength. Then let it happen.
      Discgolf is now starting to have life-changing prize money for women. 40.000$ to the winner, 22.000$ second place and 14.000$ third place.
      That's why the unfair advantages have to stop right now.

    • @angieb8941
      @angieb8941 10 місяців тому +11

      @@hoyle7780there are 10,000 males who played in MPO in a tournament in 2023 who are rated lower than the top rated FPO. They wouldn’t dominate. Why? Because they have not worked as hard as the top rated FPO player. If they had worked as hard, they would be playing MPO on tour. Your logic makes no sense. We exclude males from female divisions because they are capable of achieving more not because they aren’t currently crushing it. We don’t evaluate each of them to determine if they actually are capable of more. We have decided that we want to see females who have achieved the highest skill possible for a female. We don’t want to see mediocre males.

    • @throwler
      @throwler 10 місяців тому +10

      At what point, I wonder, will we stop referring to men as she and her. I don't blame the person that's experiencing gender dysphoria. But I'll never understand why people continually call a man, with all the man parts below, she or her. No wonder our kids our confused. The adults in their lives have lost their collective minds.

  • @triplespace007
    @triplespace007 10 місяців тому +25

    I remember hearing about Trevor's case forever ago, and it was one of the dumbest cases I could imagine. Seems like a good waste of money though. Natalie also has a weird case. MPO exists for a reason. If you aren't comfortable competing against that competition, then don't. Practice until you feel prepared.

    • @frankvomberg6628
      @frankvomberg6628 10 місяців тому +4

      Maybe you should listen again to the videos about the Nathalie case and try to understand the problem.

    • @sammyboyyy
      @sammyboyyy 10 місяців тому +25

      @@frankvomberg6628the problem is Nathan I mean Natalie

    • @lafondawilliams
      @lafondawilliams 10 місяців тому

      Nice give him the same advice he tried to give to the actual women 😂 get good, what a toolbag

    • @danmartin3893
      @danmartin3893 10 місяців тому +31

      @@frankvomberg6628 If you really think the issue is something other than a biological male trying to play in a division that is protected to females... then maybe you should rethink the fact that you "understand the problem".

    • @jbking14
      @jbking14 10 місяців тому +4

      @@danmartin3893simple explanations to complex issues only make sense to the simple minded.

  • @ap6982
    @ap6982 10 місяців тому +1

    Wait, what? They served Mcbeth with papers but didn't. They gave the papers to his wife.

  • @ericbeich
    @ericbeich 10 місяців тому

    For a few there I thought the world was just crazy enough that Gannon might resign with Prodigy but knowing the exact legalese involved I'd agree, no way he's going back to them.

  • @pdderek
    @pdderek 10 місяців тому +1

    Hey! Are a radford university alumni!? Nice hat ❤

  • @playdiscgolf1546
    @playdiscgolf1546 10 місяців тому +36

    Just in case there is anyone here that can’t understand why we are against trans in the FPO, here is some perspective. I am an Am1 dude with a 950 rating, not even close to sponsored and nobody will probably ever know me…. But someone made a transition, with my skill level and rating, and made $10,000 in the biggest tournament in our state and has many sponsors….

    • @GimmeTam
      @GimmeTam 9 місяців тому +7

      All dudes should start playing in FPO. See what happens then.

    • @mgoh1984
      @mgoh1984 9 місяців тому +4

      I would sue if I was a female rated below that guy in the FPO. Was hoping to see some of that.

    • @MaxLBogue
      @MaxLBogue 9 місяців тому +3

      She didn't play disc golf before her transition. If you get the events wrong nobody will take you seriously, and rightly so.

    • @2mile1976
      @2mile1976 9 місяців тому +3

      @@MaxLBoguebeyond his point man. What your saying doesn’t matter.

    • @MaxLBogue
      @MaxLBogue 9 місяців тому

      @@2mile1976 you’re forgetting the obvious explanation that the reason she plays like a woman is because she is one.

  • @rgalagher2141
    @rgalagher2141 10 місяців тому +1

    When you thought he was the GOAT and he now does THIS. Thanks for the update

  • @netposerx
    @netposerx 10 місяців тому +18

    That last few months have been nice with no mention of Nate Ryan... until I watched this.

    • @ninjalectualx
      @ninjalectualx 10 місяців тому

      Why did you choose to watch, then? Idiot.

    • @ItsAllGood_
      @ItsAllGood_ 10 місяців тому +10

      Nate was playing most of the tournaments at the end of the year...badly. So he was nowhere near lead card. He was there though...still complaining and making every card he was on awkward as hell

  • @CoffeeonKorriban
    @CoffeeonKorriban 10 місяців тому +15

    Im just not sure why people keep calling Ryan a she. 🤔

  • @benpritchard1165
    @benpritchard1165 10 місяців тому

    I see those Bergs back there 🤟

  • @cinnapaw23
    @cinnapaw23 10 місяців тому +13

    Dude needs to start playing what her chronozones say, not what her imagination thinks.

  • @vicccey1345
    @vicccey1345 10 місяців тому +1

    so how does the wavier play into this? why even have it in the 1st place?

    • @radroberts1877
      @radroberts1877 10 місяців тому

      Waivers are common practice for lots of activities - climbing gyms, ski resorts, paintball, ropes courses, etc - they usually have an explanation of the risks and consequences a participant may encounter, and the person who signs the waiver usually acknowledges and accepts the risks and agrees to hold the business harmless (aka won't sue them) if something happens. However, waivers can only do so much. If there is negligence by the business they may still be sued and owe damages. In this case, if the waiver said that there is a risk of being hit by a disc and that's what happened and there was no provable negligence, then the plantiff might not have a case. As the sport grows up, the PDGA probably should have an umbrella waiver and an umbrella insurance policy that covers all participants in its events. I'm not a lawyer, and I could have this wrong, but I'm sure discgolflaw will be able to clarify.

  • @patnope6344
    @patnope6344 10 місяців тому

    yea, idk the story but if thats the law suit against mccease, thats actually kinda delusional. like that would be like me suing the state because some random guy hit me with a disc at a park. i just dont see how there is any grounds for that. as far as it goes i feel like getting hit by a disc, falling all that is just a part of the game. all i think its gonna do is make tournament directors make people sign waivers so if and when someone gets hurt its not on them

  • @aeolusdiscgolf
    @aeolusdiscgolf 10 місяців тому

    Life, Liberty & Happiness! :D

  • @CarlTempleton77
    @CarlTempleton77 9 місяців тому +1

    Concerning the idiot in Florida who sued McCease, maybe you won’t touch it, but something should be said about his lack of character, many people have had issues with him and how he conducts his business and how he treats people. I believe he has sued before, trying to make money the easy way.

  • @christopherdavis826
    @christopherdavis826 9 місяців тому

    Best tournament of the year !!!watching dude,get his unicorn ass ,kicked out of the fpo
    tournament after the first round!!!!

  • @patavalttia
    @patavalttia 9 місяців тому

    Disk Golf is nice, but having *Lawsuits* as a national sport, is awful.

  • @98kouki123
    @98kouki123 10 місяців тому +91

    Nathan needs to play with the men period

    • @frankvomberg6628
      @frankvomberg6628 10 місяців тому +5

      You mean why care about law and courts and stuff?

    • @sammyboyyy
      @sammyboyyy 10 місяців тому +27

      @@frankvomberg6628no he means what he said, Frank.

    • @Holycow723
      @Holycow723 10 місяців тому +33

      He really should be banned from PDGA for making threats. Remember when he said he would take down the DGPT...

    • @frisbeefrolf
      @frisbeefrolf 10 місяців тому

      Natalie is a woman.

    • @ninjalectualx
      @ninjalectualx 10 місяців тому

      No. Why would anybody listen to a dead naming transphobe?

  • @simplehuman5937
    @simplehuman5937 10 місяців тому +1

    Trevor Toenjes is a name I never hoped I'd hear again. He seemed like a scummy person 10 years ago and it seems like nothing has changed.

  • @mccsnackin
    @mccsnackin 10 місяців тому +3

    Shoutout pineapple express

    • @mccsnackin
      @mccsnackin 10 місяців тому +1

      Process servant?… Shine shoes?…

    • @C_Haberstoked
      @C_Haberstoked 10 місяців тому +2

      You have been served

  • @eviljinius337
    @eviljinius337 10 місяців тому +4

    rumor is dgpt almost went broke due to court and lawyer fees, and that's why they came to an agreement with Ryan.

    • @Jmseeker21
      @Jmseeker21 10 місяців тому +7

      Lie. Dgpt is owned by a billionaire

    • @finnishforce5094
      @finnishforce5094 10 місяців тому

      who?@@Jmseeker21

    • @D_Rat
      @D_Rat 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Jmseeker21false. Todd and his 2 other siblings inherited around 50m. The rest of his fathers 3b net worth have been put into a charitable foundation.

    • @lynch42o
      @lynch42o 9 місяців тому

      @@D_Rat that's too bad, what a waste.

  • @TR-sy6pz
    @TR-sy6pz 10 місяців тому +11

    Just a quick correction. You referred to Natalie Ryan as she. Natalie is male and therefore you should refer to him as he, not she.

    • @xenowings81
      @xenowings81 10 місяців тому +2

      He could get a strike against his channel for misgendering.

    • @codyyates3437
      @codyyates3437 9 місяців тому

      @@xenowings81it’s not misgendering though. It’s the correct gender, male.

  • @nicklong7442
    @nicklong7442 10 місяців тому +49

    Correction. "Natalie Ryan's lawsuit that HE filed."

    • @thatwell7944
      @thatwell7944 10 місяців тому +1

      Thanks sherrif🙄

    • @jasonelliott6676
      @jasonelliott6676 10 місяців тому

      😂

    • @jasonelliott6676
      @jasonelliott6676 10 місяців тому +4

      Blokes don't compete with Sheila's. Chaps don't box lasses. Good fellow

    • @frankvomberg6628
      @frankvomberg6628 10 місяців тому +4

      Ever wondered why stuff like this get decided in courts and not by bullies like you?

    • @sammyboyyy
      @sammyboyyy 10 місяців тому +15

      @@frankvomberg6628he’s a bully for calling a spade a spade? Doubt it bro😂

  • @ellisj98
    @ellisj98 10 місяців тому +14

    How to succeed in disc golf tournaments: play in the FPO instead as a biological man!

    • @ninjalectualx
      @ninjalectualx 10 місяців тому

      Take your hate elsewhere bigot

  • @Bigmikeyj
    @Bigmikeyj 10 місяців тому +18

    *He filed not she!

  • @billmartinn9851
    @billmartinn9851 9 місяців тому

    Question? If a person can identify as a woman when they are a man, and financially profit from it, is it acceptable for a Caucasian person to identify as an Asian, Indian, or African American individual , and financially profit from it?

  • @MarkSmith-bi2lz
    @MarkSmith-bi2lz 9 місяців тому

    The owner of 1000 rated productions has 2 trans in a team tournament in the female division going on this weekend!!! The only team to do so. Not sure who’s pulling the strings for the OTB open but 1000 rated productions does not value or respect biological women!!!!

  • @mgoh1984
    @mgoh1984 9 місяців тому +1

    I feel sorry for the males of all ages who believe they are female. You feel like you are a lady which you may be like one, but leave the females who are to their business.

  • @williamreed3060
    @williamreed3060 10 місяців тому +8

    It's time the PDGA just left the OTB and moved the tourney elsewhere

  • @davidsantellan2722
    @davidsantellan2722 10 місяців тому +2

    I'm sorry but Mr Ryan should not be allowed to play in the woman's division. Are you serious...

  • @jasonrosillo4288
    @jasonrosillo4288 10 місяців тому +5

    Natalie should just play in mop if it thinks it’s a real pro

  • @sakkek5349
    @sakkek5349 10 місяців тому +2

    Another reasons to stay as far from states as possible. U guys can't do anything whitout gointo courtroom...

    • @user-js5wq3ym9j
      @user-js5wq3ym9j 10 місяців тому

      Lot of problems here but having established and fair judicial system where you are innocent until proven guilty, can bring cases, and aren’t a dirt floor courtroom with bribes in the back is much better. No your place, foreign commenter on American company products.

  • @GimmeTam
    @GimmeTam 9 місяців тому +2

    Someone needs to tonya that dude!

  • @fodank
    @fodank 8 місяців тому

    8:06 Nate Ryan is male. Why are you calling him 'she'? (Serious question. I don't get it.) 10:11 Nate Ryan's virtue signalling 'fight' is ridiculous. He is a male. Let him play in MPO. Period. Anything else is smoke and mirrors. 12:34 Thanks for asking... Here's something you and even Nate Ryan appear to have missed. He is a man. Why is no one contesting his contention that he can magically declare himself to be a 'woman'. I just don't understand how the human race has suddenly descended into madness. It is not rocket science. Why is everyone behaving as though it is?
    Thanks for the updates' Love your videos. Two thirds of the cases mentioned are bogus, but, hey, that's why we have lawyers, right? Cheers, D.

  • @1htalp9
    @1htalp9 9 місяців тому

    Why do reasonable people continue to propagate other peoples' lies?

  • @stoneymarxist
    @stoneymarxist 9 місяців тому

    Ruining TDTM. With a lawsuit sucks

  • @dirkmagilicuddy5136
    @dirkmagilicuddy5136 10 місяців тому +5

    *He

  • @benjamincollins9465
    @benjamincollins9465 10 місяців тому +7

    She’s a dude.

  • @drewkingma1194
    @drewkingma1194 9 місяців тому +1

    "Natalie" trying to steal money from real women by pretending is really low.

  • @Monkey-biz
    @Monkey-biz 9 місяців тому +2

    News alert: Nat Ryan is a dude. I won't use the word man out of respect to men.

  • @Thebunholio
    @Thebunholio 7 місяців тому

    #Bannathanielryan

  • @newmonikermusic
    @newmonikermusic 9 місяців тому +5

    Natalie is male and is welcome to play in the MPO. Nobody is discriminating against him.

  • @JamesSwafford-hf9bo
    @JamesSwafford-hf9bo 9 місяців тому

    Why are disc golfers so sue happy?

  • @pjh3999
    @pjh3999 9 місяців тому

    Total garbage…. The woman’s division doesn’t need that type of negativity. Way to grow the sport🤮

  • @steveptasznik6147
    @steveptasznik6147 10 місяців тому

    If they change it from Female Professional Open to Transgender Women/Women Professional Open, then I am on board with it.
    As for the Mcbeth case, just take a few signed Luna discs and be done with it.

  • @whitneymorris3928
    @whitneymorris3928 9 місяців тому +2

    Meanwhile Natalie is going around wholesale assaulting women with hugs they don’t want. Because if someone doesn’t want Natalie’s hug, then they get labeled, right?

  • @MaxLBogue
    @MaxLBogue 9 місяців тому +3

    Lots of hateful people in these comments. No wonder you people don't understand anti-discrimination legislation.

  • @joshuablanck3596
    @joshuablanck3596 9 місяців тому

    They should have a vote breakdown of all pdga players. If an super alien wanted to play in the pdga we would say no it's unfair..

  • @dillewisslive3238
    @dillewisslive3238 9 місяців тому

    That DUDE needs to play with people HIS own gender…

  • @ritchieconstitution2112
    @ritchieconstitution2112 9 місяців тому

    Mr Ryan is a scrub. The PDGA should not let him play period.

  • @ticklemetits8375
    @ticklemetits8375 9 місяців тому

    Natalie stands when he pees

  • @Memory815
    @Memory815 9 місяців тому

    Stop calling the dude a she.