Flexible Filament - Testing - Chris's Basement
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- In this one we try out a couple of different flexible filaments just to see how hard they are to print with. I am working on a couple of different extruder projects and I wanted to get some sort of a base line.
00:00 Intro
00:40 Shore Hardness Scale
02:50 Filament Line up and Spects
07:10 Test Prints
09:31 Test Results
18:09 Conclusion
Treed filament:
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Inland TPE/TPU:
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NinjaTek Ninja Flex:
ninjatek.com/ninjaflex/
NinjaTek EEL:
ninjatek.com/eel/
Kodac 98A:
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Filamentum flexfil:
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Fiberlogy from Wolfworks3D Fiberflex 40D:
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Diabase X60:
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Thanks for the tests! :D I'm looking forward to printing some custom stamps and it saves me a heck if a lot of testing!
You bet, thanks for watching!
I can see where your going with this... im ready for part two!
LOL...It's coming! ;)
Me too!
I tried printing flex for the first time in a few years (last flex print was on my M3D Micro), this time using my MK3, and it was a failure. Thanks for showing me that if I upgrade my MK3 to a MK3S, I might have more success. I look forward to more videos in this series!
Thanks Mike! We will see if I can find an extruder that will take the flex a little better.
exellent overview video. I'll refer back to this next time I'm buying flexible filament.
Thanks Peter!
thanks for putting in all the work.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the practical, informative video!!!
Thanks for watching!
It will be an interesting series, keep it up boy!
Thanks Marc!
Nice work Chris
Thanks Jim!
I just my wham bam yesterday and I was thinking about printing some TPU on it later today. Thank you so much for mentioning not to print flexible filament on PEI without some form of barrier!!! The sheet is PEX but I'm not taking any chances.
Absolutely, I have ripped holes in my PEI before with this stuff.
I was waiting for this for a long time. Thanks for the work you have put in to this. I would LOVE to see how sidewinder x1 handles these felxibles. Maybe you can make a follow up on this video?
Thanks for watching! Yeah, this one took me a while. I will be trying out a lot of other extruders, I can add the X1 to the list.
Great video, very explanatory. I found out that the flexible I have is one of the most rigid and so I was dissatisfied. And yet I didn't get good results with direct extrusion. Imagine with these still more flexible ... certainly more difficult to work with.
Thank you, they can be very challenging and frustrating.
The Hemera is really good with flexible. Great video Chris.
Thank you! It is in the list for testing.
I really enjoyed that. I’ve not seen good comparisons BETWEEN different flexibles before. I have 2 spools of MakerGeeks MakerFlex which is a semi-Flex. I’d like to it, but of course they are gone now. I generally have to print the first few layers really slow. It is cool that you can vary the amount of infill to change how the object is completed. I’ve made some great practical prints with the material. Phone holder for my car, sound dampener for my car, purse insert for my wife, etc.
Thanks John! Great to hear! Nice! Still my favorite flex print is the garden hose gasket. LOL, don't ask me why.
I have a semi flex material that will wrap around my MK3 extruder gears if I make the screws to the door too tight. I have good luck with it when the end of the screw is flush with the outside of the extruder door. Thanks for the great video!
Thanks Joseph, yeah, I was playing with that a bit. Flush is about perfect.
yeah! more flex stuf! Converted ender 3 to direct drive with stock extruder and im really interested in getting settings that can print as well as PLA
Nice! Will do, more flex to come!
Thanks chris. Must be fustrating to try so many time to get a print. Something oddly satisfying seeing all those 'non perfect' benchies.
Soooo frustrating!!! Thanks Mark, some of these I didn't expect to work at all.
Nice video. Was able to get some nice TPU prints on our flashforge Creator pro. Still have to try some other flexibles out.
Thanks James!
Good stuf! Flexibles are a combination of fun and frustration. One thing you might try is, loosen up the grip on the Bondtech gears for the softer filaments. The gears can dig in, and make the filament more prone to getting wrapped up. On the really soft stuff, it might be a light enough touch that PLA will not even work. But I have had good luck with this, and think I first read the idea somewhere in Prusa's documentation.
Thanks Scott! I will give that a try.
I have used SainSmart TPU and Ninjatek Cheetah both with really good results on a bowden extruder in my Ender 3, was thinking about get a nice extruder for flex material since I use them a lot so will be waiting for your next video about it to get a better panorama of what is available 😎
Hey Eduardo, that's good to hear, I need to go test the stock ender 3 with flex before I try and upgrade it.
@@ChrisRiley My Ender is not full stock have changed the extruder base with this one www.thingiverse.com/thing:3320373 helps a bit with this filaments that are 95A and 96A
Just started testing flexibles on my direct drive (bmg clone) cr10s. So far had success extrudr medium flex and fiberlogy fiberflex 30D (really stretchy compared to extrudr medium). 200-210 hotend, 60 bed, 40-50mm/s (20-25wall) and retractions at 3.4mm at 25mm/s. Printing phil-a-ment right now in fiberflex 30D at 80% size with 3 perimiters and no infill.
Nice! The BMG should get you some really good results.
The stringing is most likely cause of lack of retraction and not dried filament. I only print tpu and it needs to be dried even when new. I mostly print 95a at 60mm/s with 3mm retraction and that works fine even for 15h prints.
Nice!
I use amazonbasics TPU works really good, eSun good also.
I'm also using a bmg extruder but with boweden 😀
Bowden, wow, cool! I will have to try some Amazon.
i have had good results going up to 6m retract with flexible material. ninjatek's cheetah.
also had successful prints with a bowden set up on an Ender 3, printing slow seems to be the key
Nice! I am going to try the ender 3 as well.
@@ChrisRiley i had the aluminum extruder upgrade and capricorn tubing installed which probably helped. i think it was 25ms i was printing at
Chris, awesome video. Do you use the powder coated sheet with PLA? It's been hard for me to get anything to stick. I'm assuming flex tends to have better adhesion? Or am I crazy?
I have a hard time with PLA on these sheets, yes flex and petg sticks a lot better.
Soooo jealous. I dream of printing NinjaFlex on my Mk3 - it sits in its airtight tub looking at me every day but I never got it to work. I might give it another go... or it may be time to upgrade to the 3S :) I think the nozzle also works against you as well though. In a review of HTPLA Joel "3D Printing Nerd" Telling explained that the path through the nozzle isn't straight and has a widening that causes HTPLA to fail as well. I can't wait for the next instalment on flexibles :) Excellent video, thanks.
Thank you! We will see if I can find and extruder that works a little better, maybe even faster.
@@ChrisRiley Hemera Upgrade to the MK3???!!!! :D
Chris, really good information. I want to try it on my Hemera.
Chris, I tried on my Hemera, and no go. Then I figured out that I had just printed a bunch of carbon fiber and somehow jammed the nozzle. Long story short, just ordered my third hemera, a bunch of spare parts and an X nozzle.
Doh! That kinda sucks, but now I know where to go if I need some spare parts! :)
Thanks Dave!
@@ChrisRiley I am getting spare parts from E3D and ordered 100 of those little square nuts. I have lost a couple and they are impossible to find. I will also have 3 MicroSwiss hot ends and 3 SeeMeCNC extruders spare with spare parts
Good video comparing the different flex fils. Im honestly surprised you even got the x60 to print at all.
Thanks! Me too, it is crazy stuff.
Hey Chris,
I noticed on Marlin 2.0 that you can have dual Z steppers using spare extruder outputs.
Also there is a function to align Z steppers.
Please could you investigate and make video instructions?
Sweet, thanks.
Kris.
Hey Kris, I have been meaning to do just that, I will see what I can put together.
I haven't used flexible filament on any of my machines. Think I can make it work on a very short bowden tube on a delta?
It might, a lot of people say they can print it on bowden, I would start with some 98A and see how it goes.
Thank you
😀
You mentioned using a glue stick, but also that the Prusa power coated sheets worked well for most of the filaments. Did you use a glue stick on the Prusa sheets? That part want clear.
the filament seems to be all over the map. Most of the filament excepts for the X60 and the Treed 74a were fine on the powder coated sheet without glue stick, not trouble getting them off. Those 2 really flexible ones I should have used glue stick. I would start with using glue stick on everything until you know how it is going to react with your surface.
where can I find the spiral 3d vase model you used? Need to do some of my own analysis...
Here you go! www.thingiverse.com/thing:124175
interesting, I had best results with the fibrology D30 the even softer stuff and printed it at quite high speeds. in numbers 60mm/s, on printbite plus @50°C with a genuine bondtech/v6 on one printer and flex3drive G5/mosquito on the other one. though I used pressure advance and retraction.
Yeah, I was hoping for a better result with this fibrology. I might have had a bad sample. I think I need to try again.
@@ChrisRiley sadly it's a bit harder for you to get your hands on that filament with only one reseller overseas. back then I had no idea where to start with flexibles but someone recommended fibrology to me, iirc Thomas Sanladerer tested it too and it was rather cheap and very easy to get my hands on, so the logic consequence. when I saw your intro I thought "I'm sure he'll love it", as you could imagine I was rather shocked seeing your results.
For testing extruders with flexibles, hopefully you are planning to test the Zesty Nimble2?
I would love to if I can get one.
Do you plan to include a Hemera in your testing?
Absolutely!
Hi Chris, thanks for the video. I am trying since 2 days to print with Extrafill 98A and its virtually impossible, I tried a lot of settings, and I also tried the standard Prusa Slicer profiles in 15mm and then lowered the speed to 60% on the printer itself. The results are really bad, and I dont know what to do next to try to fix it :(
Hey, has the filament been left out? Maybe it needs to be dried a bit.
Chris Riley thanks for replying. No, it was a new roll, and after 24 hours it was unprintable. I am going to build a dry box and test again..let’s see
For us that don’t have a Prusa what stock speed are the you talking about? Just so i have an idea🤓
Good point. ;) photos.app.goo.gl/zQjaEABoNCpXwZGx5
Bmg is amazing. I can do 45mm/s 85a easily with a Bowden
Nice! I think I will test the BMG as well.
Can you confirm you are using the Mk3 or the Mk3S for these test?
Yes, this is the MK3S.
First, I love your content, but I feel like with flexibles the strength is mechanical/engineering properties, you have a few different tests but it seems like the benchy and the vase are the highlight. Is there a way to introduce something engineering oriented like stretching them with a clamp or barbell or smashing them in a vise or running over a perfect cube with a car, or smacking them a few times with a hammer see if the splinter or separate. LOL I am having fun but also being serious, I think people who are into trying invent the next "thing" would love to see flexibles pushed to their limits in a different light.
BTW I do remember you were just trying to see if they printed at all so maybe you already did these tests. Aside from the bar, I think the benchy and the vase are ultra challenging for a flex.
Hey man! Great ideas. I am planning on lots of content for flexibles, I really like the potential uses for it. I will see what I can work into the test.
How are you Cris hope that you’re doing well I myself have printed several things and flexible material even a cargo ship I mostly print in all sorts of flexible TPU And my prince never come out that bad as it has come out for you and I normally print at 100% speed I do reduce my fan speed to about 60% due to the fact that my Prusa mk3s has given me for more runaway issues
Doing well thanks! Wow, cool, I guess I need to practice. :)
Your spring tension on your feeder looks high. Back out the tension screw a bit on the noodle like filament and you may have better luck.
I played around with it a bit, I will do some further testing.
would love to see someone try to print X60 on a hemera
I'm hoping to do that very thing within the next month after I get my Hemera upgrade complete! Granted I need to get some decent lighting for filming any of it, but I have some 60A and 70A filaments that I already love and am excited to see how fast I can print using the Hemera.
3dmn did a video printing ninja flex at pla speeds, with the hemera
@@neilsiebenthal9254 i know, but NinjaFlex isnt X60, the only two extruders i've seen print X60 well enough to be called successful are the Flexion (by Diabase) and the Zesty Nimble.
@@Mobile_Dom have you looked at how the hemera is designed? It's filament path is more confined than the flexion and zesty. Just not as light weight as the zesty or have the self cleaning brush from the flexion. I don't have any x60 or I'd try it out for ya. Feel free to send me some and I'll do it 😁 I don't have a need for flexible stuff so I don't mess with it. Yet..
Oh, it's coming! ;)
Wanted to get some ninjaflex but holy crap it is expensive 80 usd for 500 grams 😲 it better be very easy to print then...
It is pricey, it makes the failed prints even harder to take.
Chris what I saw, you probably have your gear to TIGHT. its recomemnded to have the gear as lose as possible for flex ( jam wiith the white filament )
Thanks Patrick, I played with the tension some, having the screw flush seemed to be a sweet spot, but still a struggle.
@@ChrisRiley it can be a real pain with some flex filaments yes.
I usually print with a good semiflex when printing flex types, Spaghetti type filaments is not so usefull for me. I think a hemera could be a good option, but the I3Mk3s has also a very short path, so i not sure it that really helps either.
Wait..what printer is this?
New here.🤜🏼🤛🏼🇦🇺🍀🍀🍀
This is a Prusa MK3S.
the tension screw is too tight
I did play around with this to try and get a good setting, it's still a bit of a struggle.
Liked this vid, can you please do one on PETG.
I'd be shocked if he doesn't have a video about petg already. What do you need to know about petg? I print it with the same settings as pla just hotter and less bed squish and less part cooling. As for how much less cooling and how much hotter will depend on your printer and the filament. Temp towers and testing if the best route
Also Thomas Sanladerer has a video on petg that's rather good.
I just wanted to know if i could print PETG on my powder sheet without using glue stick, and not have it balm to my sheet.
@@R3D-Remi pei powered coated? If it's prusas, they say you can without adding anything on the blog post about the bed.
Yeah I got the one directly from prusa
Flex needs a pre-drive... gel-drive.🖖😎🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼😂😐
I am hoping some of the flex extruders will solve some issues.
Hmmm!! Think I will stay away from flex..... Thanks Chris!
LOL, not a bad idea, thanks Sergio!
Super informative video Chris! I love printing with flexible filaments and have been doing so for about 4+ years now. NinjaFlex is still my go-to for most prints due to it's flexibility, stretch-ability, durability, and heat resistance.
I do recommend blue painters tape (with no heat) as by FAR for printing flexibles on. They peel off like a sticker and have a nice finish texture on the bottom. Give it a try next time you print something flexible.
Also if you want a useful flexible print I created these straps several years ago and my wife and I use them literally every day: www.thingiverse.com/thing:835257
Great tips, thank you, i will give tape a try. That strap model is killer, I will have to give it a go.
The Fillamentum stuff is some of the worst filament I've ever used.
Really? That's interesting.
@@ChrisRiley Yeah it looks like you had problems with it as well. The two main problems were: 1. It just extruded really poorly, like it was sticking to the nozzle itself, and 2. my hobbed bolt didn't grip onto the filament particularly well.
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here is the latest video that I have created just recently about TPU filament and 3-D printing thank you for your inspiration Chris
Thanks for the link, I will check it out.
I wish you tested Cheetah!
Funny you say that, I tried to get some and they were sold out.
AHh dang it. Have you tried Amazon basics TPU?
@@munzirataalsid2580 I haven't I use Inland brand from Micro Center for my cheap stuff.
When music is 10x that of the voice, RIP ears.
Is it really that loud?
@@ChrisRiley To me quite loud. I had to mute the audio till it looked like you were talking again. Great info though.
@@ChrisRiley Yo chris I run all of my legally acquired movies through something like this for audio:
ffmpeg -hide_banner -loglevel error -i FILEINPUT.mkv -map_metadata -1 -map_chapters -1 -c:v copy -af "pan=stereo|FL=FC+0.30*FL+0.30*BL|FR=FC+0.30*FR+0.30*BR, compand=0|0:1|1:-70/-70|-60/-20|1/0:4:0:-1:0" -c:a aac -b:a 256k outputfile.mkv
It brings the highs lower and the lows higher it tries to even out everything around the 0dB however it doesn't fully compress it, just like a 50% - 70% compress
You can switch the -c:a to flac too I guess then it'll be a lossless conversion & let youtube do the lossy conversion
@@ChrisRiley No. Not really.
@@gg-gn3re Thanks for this info, I will look into it.
You should tried out our filamentech plaflex.
It print as low as 130°c and up to 180°c flexible around 45D shore and prints like pla no stringing no nothing!
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Wow, that sounds impressive.
@@ChrisRiley Please contact me if you want to try some.
info@filamentech.co.il
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Nice video!
‘This miens a lot to me thank you cine fíen you
Man that's like herding cats..
For real....it gets out of hand quickly.