No aliens in 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY meaning of the monolith revealed (2021 update) film analysis
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2021
- This is the 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY film analysis to watch. The monolith has nothing to do with alien intelligence, the alien narrative was a smoke screen. This is proper original, mind-blowing film analysis by Rob Ager of www.collativelearning.com No corporate advertising, pop trivia or rehashing. For more on 2001 and other classic movies see my other Kubrick studies ...
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For those who are still confused after watching this video or are upset about the thematic use of audio feedback signals in the presentation (which didn't bother me while editing at high volume), try watching the original version of this analysis ua-cam.com/video/MSo6s_xrj4c/v-deo.html It's very explicit verbally and there are no audio feedback signals. However, the new version I believe to be a better viewing experience because it gives you something to mentally process and has extra info so please try and figure it out before viewing the old version.
For those who believe I'm calling them stupid for not "getting it" ... what I actually said was most people have a habit of believing the verbal over sensory experience, and I even quoted Kubrick to that effect. My comment about a 6 yr old being able to get it is actually about children being less restricted to verbal reality - my 8 yr old daughter got it very quickly btw. I didn't even need to show her this video. I showed her the monolith scenes and explained the alien plot and asked her if she think the monolith could be anything else. In the 4th wall breaking shot at the end of the movie, she said it looks like a BLEEEP. That's because, as a child, she pays more attention to direct sensory experience. This is part of why children are fast to learn.
Now some quotes guiding the viewer away from alien plot explanations (emphasis added) ...
"2001, on the other hand, is basically a VISUAL, NONVERBAL EXPERIENCE. It avoids intellectual verbalization and reaches the viewer's subconscious in a way that is essentially poetic and philosophic. The film thus becomes a SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE which hits the viewer at an inner level of consciousness, just as music does, or painting. - Kubrick interviewed by Joseph Gelmis 1969
"The film took on its own life as it was being made, and CLARKE BECAME INCREASINGLY IRRELEVANT. Kubrick could probably have shot 2001 from a treatment, since MOST OF WHAT CLARKE WROTE, in particular some windy voice-overs which explained the level of intelligence reached by the ape men, the geological state of the world at the dawn of man, the problems of life on the Discovery and much more, WAS DISCARDED during the last days of editing, along with the explanation of HALs breakdown. - p227 / 228 Stanley Kubrick: A Biography by John Baxter
"It's a TOTALLY DIFFERENT KIND OF EXPERIENCE, of course, and there are a number of differences between the book and the movie. The novel, for example, ATTEMPTS to explain things much more explicitly than the film does, which is inevitable in a verbal medium. The novel came about AFTER we did a 130-page prose treatment of the film at the very outset. This initial treatment was subsequently changed in the screenplay, and the screenplay in turn WAS ALTERED during the making of the film. But Arthur took all the existing material, plus AN IMPRESSION OF SOME OF THE RUSHES, and wrote the novel. As a result, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NOVEL AND FILM." - Kubrick interviewed by Joseph Gelmis 1969
When asked what lies beyond the ""simplest level / bare plot" SK replied ..."They are the areas I PREFER NOT TO DISCUSS because they are highly subjective and will differ from viewer to viewer. In this sense, the film becomes anything the viewer sees in it. If the film stirs the emotions and penetrates the subconscious of the viewer, if it stimulates, however inchoately, his mythological and religious yearnings and impulses, then it has succeeded." Kubrick interviewed by Joseph Gelmis 1969. MY NOTE Kubrick saying that he "prefers not to discuss" reveals that there is more to it than the dismissive explanation that followed.
The Lobrutto and Baxter biographies also explained that Kubrick misled investors at the executive screening by including a voiceover in the film that talked about aliens influencing apes and man. He also included ten minutes worth of interviewers with astronomers, AI "experts" and other scientists at the start of the movie. All of this forced an "aliens" interpretations of the film, but Kubrick removed all of that for the actual cinema release, which opened it all up for interpretation and allowed the visual metaphors to become more open to question. Why would Kubrick do this? Because the film needed financial investment and strong public promotion. On the surface the film gave investors what they wanted, while Kubrick made the film HE wanted to make. And so the misleading early shooting experiments with aliens and diff monolith shapes undoubtedly would have contributed to investor confidence in the project.
For those still clinging onto the novel and Clarke's sequel books and the sequel film (Kubrick was involved in none of the latter and it shows) if you read the Kubrick biographies and dig up old interviews with Kubrick's writing collaborators on other movies ... it's very clear that the writers frequently felt they were being messed around, kept in the dark or even manipulated by Kubrick. A famous example is Stephen King, who hates Kubrick's Shining film. King's novel had Jack Torrance be a nice guy who turns bad, but kills himself at the end to avoid killing his son. Kubrick's version has Jack unhinged from the start, inclined toward infidelity (bathroom scene), generally abusive and ignorant to his wife, and does not redeem himself in the end. Kubrick fundamentally CHANGED the story. There are more examples of these clashes and changes of narrative.
For those who say all the monolith shaped rectangles, 90 degree rotations and other evidence in the film are all accidental (very few have said this in the comments, but a couple have) try watching Star Wars, Alien or Star Trek TMP. These films severely lack such "accidental" details, even though all three were massively influenced by Kubrick's film.
I was fascinated by your idea of seeing deeper into the film. Having read all the books and the short story, I have my own ideas of what the monolith is, but I cannot be absolutely certain.
The only thing that bothered about your video was the loud sound throughout. I found it jarring.
One of my favorite movies and an enjoyable book.
Then why did they experiment with several techniques to show the aliens for the hotel room scene? The recent book on the making of the film decribes attempts to show the aliens (verified by Trumbull and others). None of them were satisfactory and it was decided to use the monolth as a stand in.
The the sequence on the Moon is very much like Clarke's short story, The Sentinel. The only real difference is the artifact being a pyramid.
I've been thinking about your video. And it occurs to me that the conclusion you came about the monolith is your conclusion and not necessarily the right or most accurate. Without know what your conclusion is, we have no way of gauging the accuracy of your conclusion.
Having said this, I've come to some conclusions myself and I think I right. I'll keep this to myself.
kubrick is such a genius- we now literally all carry a mini monolith around with us almost 24/7 and its a computer with the red eye of a camera staring at us constantly...
But 99% of us don’t know how to handle this tech this almost reversing us back to apes slowly but surely. Only the select few are truly aware of the power we hold in our hands and how ill-equipped we are to deal with this kinda power. The Apple logo comes to mind
When I caught the 50th anniversary release of 2001 at the Cinerama Dome in LA back in 2018, I realized for the first time that the opening scene of the the film, where there is nothing but black and a score playing, could also represent the monolith. A cinema screen is rectangular after all, and we the audience are the apes about to be transformed by it.
@@heartlights in which way is this even remotely racist
@@janssen18 Well, like so many internet movie commentators/analysts, he probably isolated a couple words and phrases, then formed his own meaning from his deep-seated preconceptions. He probably isolated the "the Cinema Dome in LA", "where there is nothing but black", and "the audience are the apes".
@@janssen18 He's just trolling.
Wish he wouldve just told us. Didnt finish the video. Almost gave up out of frustration. Lucky to have even scrolled enough comments.
Monolith is cinema screen. Fuck me.
@@janssen18 he has a racist mind
Couldn’t finish the analysis, I was really into the video but that darn high pitch squeal woke up everyone in the house.
WOKE propaganda, bleerh blerg blarh i dont wanna hear anymore from you, jimmy neutron, keep it for your beautiful and delicious grandma
I'm so excited to see this update. The Monolith series was my introduction to internet film analysis ( everyone else's too, I'd imagine). Nice to see it get the HD treatment, and I'm really glad you're still making videos after all this time!
The real monolith is the friends we made along the way
Lol
💥💥💥
NO, this stupid meme
actually that kind of does make sense in this context, if you believe in a universal connected conscience. (try LSD!)
wholesome
@@ZeranZeran you really recommend psychedelic drugs to people? Dude.
Your film analysis is always so poignant... But damn dude, that beep is like 10 DB louder than anything else in the mix.. It scared the hell out of me and my cats.. Think of the cats Rob!!!
I think these videos would benefit from having closed captioning option! For many reasons, including the deafening beep.
Yeah, this exactly. Just say what you’re going to say, it’s not clever at all to continually bleep yourself, especially with such an annoying sound. And any sound gets annoying as hell if you overuse it like you did here.
My dog hates you
Yup, my roommate just texted me because that damn squeal traveled through the entire GD house and woke him up. I can’t even finish the video. I was really enjoying the analysis before that nonsense
OMG don't expose the cat's to the monolith! They already control the internet. What if they evolve into a human like species competing with humans for control of our world? We humans would go into an extinction event.
I always thought it was meant to look like a film screen, but never considered the implications of the object monolith actually being one. My interpretation always stems from film being a visual medium for storytelling and how bad ass it was of Kubrick to use a literal blank rectangle instead of kidding himself and trying to show something otherworldly or from god. Whatever that force may actually be in the universe that got us to where we are, there’s no point trying to visualize it in a movie and therefore an enigmatic blank rectangle is absolutely brilliant
The black cube monoliths represent Saturn 🪐 and the third dimension with space time as a simulation. Represents A quantum computer that operates this matrix dimension and simulation.
Where is this shown in the film?
Your theory could and be correct, THAT IS THE BRILLIANCE of Kubrick, ALL his films had multiple meanings and plots that were subtle enough that you dont notice. There has never been Kubrick, he is once in a long time brilliance.
It is an iphone
Thank you Greg. Well said
Is there any way for you to edit the audio of this video to turn down the volume of the beep? It’s really loud and it’s hard to listen to this with earphones in.
Ok that shrill beep is doing no one any favors.
It keeps scaring the shit out of me
I stopped watching halfway through because of it. Yeesh.
Interesting stuff, I never really considered the meaning of that repeating motif of an upright rectangle/monolith moving to the horizontal... But now I see it! Kubrick is just saying what we've all said or wanted to say with increasing frequency in recent years: "Rotate the damn phone and film in landscape mode, you idiot!"
There is a special hell for the people who film in a portrait mode. I hope they'll have fun there with child molesters and people who talk in the theatre.
@@lazaruslong697 😂😂😂
Yes!
@Gary Allen Circular yes, but if our eyes were one above the other, then portrait mode would be more acceptable.
Obviously Father Christmas put the two monoliths where they were ?
I presented a TV commercial idea to Lowe’s home-improvement warehouse for their top choice lumber featuring a homeowner who discovers a vertically positioned 2x4 in his yard - the same way Kubrick shot it in with the music - and he reaches out to touch the board it is perfectly smooth and free of flaws and it was the ultimate 2 x 4 to use for any construction project. The client didn’t get it.
Why do I get the feeling that Stanley is somewhere laughing at us all.
He's orbiting the earth as a star baby.
It's because you don't use question marks to end sentences, probably
Ohh, I get it.
The monolith represents my phone!
I can take video either in portrait or landscape mode!
Those beeps are just the AMBER alerts I keep getting on my phone. They're always so loud!
Not just your phone, your laptop, you lcd/led TVs. The displays in your car. And the list goes on and on.
Video should NEVER be recorded in Portrait mode!!
Hmmm...I thought Rob was suggesting it was the microwave oven,as we stare at the food while it cooks.
Think about this,,,🤔its quite mind blowing actually.😵
@AnnoyingMoose Actually I like when some videos are done in portrait mode. It makes sense when you are meant to watch it on your phone and it looks good when the subject fits in the frame better and more full
@@aeulogyforsociety2375 If the video is of someone talking or the action is only in the vertical plane then portrait mode may make some sense but most kids who have never used an ordinary camera mindlessly keep their phones in one orientation 24/7.
How can you expect people to watch this and your commentary when we are BRUTALIZED by the deafening sound effects?
What a big baby you are.
@@MrHellomann it's sound from the original film, which is the topic of this video. If you hate the audio of the origin film that much, why are you watching the video? 🤔 do you like logic puzzles? Are you sure you're not one?
@@MrHellomann you didn't answer my question.
@@kickinrocks6055 no in contrast to the muted sound of the rest of his video its much louder here than in the movie.
@@meesalikeu yes. I understood that. It's supposed to be that way. It's a jarring sound in the original movie, in contrast to the mostly quiet background. The characters are literally covering their ears. And it happens over an over.
If this video was so deffaning, how did you make it though the film? And if you didn't make it through the film, why did you watch a video about the film?
Today I spoke with a friend regarding all the aches and pains of growing old, and losing people along the way, and how, by a certain age, we tend to learn about a new death almost rapid fire. I have been experiencing severe anxiety over these things. Growing old, fear of the inevitable, be it death, war, or artificial intelligence and the loss of humanity independently.
She said to me, “you really need to learn how to enjoy the movie.” And I came back to this. Thank you for the confirmation. - I was not allowed to watch television growing up, but instead taught to think for myself. (It sadly leaves me in an awkward position - this reminds me that big picture (pun not intended) thinking really does happen outside of my head. Your analysis is always amazing. Thank you for sharing and in some of your other videos being the “voice of reason” regarding the media and current events.
It kinda looks like a smartphone too, doesn’t it? 😬
it does look like a phone. except its too big. the shape spose to be circle or something. the dude just picked a random shape it means nothing
So.....what is the monolith?
this is needlessly annoying, hearing obnoxious audio sounds every 10 seconds, realizing this is a video I'd already seen like halfway through it, then at the end hearing that he needed to inject some mystery into the content because we are told things outright too often to think for ourselves? wtf this is deep film analysis youtube, the whole reason I'm here is to hear subtext turned into text-text.
Have to agree big time, Rob isnt doing us a favor
@@Somewangrotmg It actually is. Not doing you a favor would be force feeding you his own theory, but i take it that Rob respects Kubrick, art and YOU, so he doesn't do it!
I can kinda see both sides. I am just watching this while I get ready for work so I am very distracted and this video is coming off as needlessly dense and mysterious. But at the same time I appreciate things that make me think, I just don’t normally go on UA-cam for content like that. I don’t usually expect a video essay to challenge me to pay attention
The video is a bit pretentious, but so is the movie he is discussing. Either way it is going to turn some people off
I have a different interpretation. I take a clue from the title "2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY'. This is a 21st century twist on Homer's Odyssey. Bowman is Odysseus. Humanity is off to conquer Troy (conquer the gods that gave man intelligence (the Monolith) and take the ultimate treasure-immortality). The ship "Discovery" is the shape of an arrow. It is the tool that "Bow-Man" uses just as Odysseus uses a bow to defeat the suiters. In Homer's tale all of his shipmates are killed just as all of Bowman's shipmates are killed. The 'feedback' sound you refer to I take as the song of the Sirens in Homer that draw all who hear the song to their deaths (i.e. draw the astronauts to Jupiter) . Bowman wearing a helmet does not listen to HAL's pleas as his memory is being unplugged just as Odysseus plugs his ears not to hear the Siren song. Bowman is successful and returns home (Earth) triumphant as an immortal! I'm sure you and many others will find fault with my interpretation but I like it even if Kubrick did not intend that to be the interpretation. Anyhow great films say many things to different people depending on the viewer's perspective.
I have never heard of this interpretation, but I like it. A movie as mind-bending and at times confusing as 2001...a movie that dares you to interpret it and analyze it in as outlandish a way as your mind can envision, ultimately being a reinvention of one of the oldest epic tales of humanity would be quite the twist.
You are completely correct
Odysseus was leaving the ruins of Troy, and the reason for the troyan war was due to the lojalty between men, also, the reason for Odyssevs position in history was his intelligence and cunning, I think your theory need some work
Bro, youre on point with this interpretation. Im sure Kubrik was highly inspired by Homer’s Odyssey. Of course he has built in his own interpretations of the book, as well as many other layers of inspirations and ideas behind the storyline of Homers Odyssey. I always wanted to connect this movie to Homers Odyssey, but was never able to link them to the depth you have.
Amazing interpretation. 👍
...Way more impressive than calling every rectangle in the movie a “monolith.”
Especially, calling the textbox in that Polish movie poster and the door a “monolith” is just a reach. And this whole “if you still cant figure out what the monolith is, I cant help you,” is a very arrogant way of saying “i gave you *beep* throughout this entire video, but most of you are too stupid to get this movie anyways.”
Your theory sounds better. But no one else would get that interpretation unless they read Odyssey. I do not think Kubrick was doing that... maybe as a goof.
Back in 2015, I was going through a phase when I was taking LSD frequently during the night time.
On one night i decided to watch 2001: A Space Odyssey as it popped up into my head as I felt the come up of the hallucinogen. I do not remember exactly, but I do remember melting while lying on my back watching it on my IPhone and realizing the similarities of the monolith and the phone. I absolutely lost it as I saw the apes going nuts over it. It was then I realized I was an Observer.
With no sense of time from the effects of the hallucinogen. It was at that moment I had an overwhelming sense that there was an infinite sense of awareness, and in a split second I experienced myself or time in an infinite loop. It was magnificent.
The rest of the film is still a blur, and I do want to experience it many more times, but everything you've mentioned rings many bells. It gives me goosebumps just trying to recall it. The mission briefing scene was probably the most mind-blowing scene I remember almost vividly, as the dialogue at the time, was meant for a deeper part of your consciousness as I witness the almost formless silhouette of a single person informing the Observer of the condition of dare I say humans. As if he was the only man out in space. It was dark, almost hopeless, but very beautiful at the same time. The message is timeless. Stanley Kubrick was a force, and a master of his craft. Truly a masterpiece!
Thank you Rob for sharing your ingenious breakdown, and analysis of this film. It holds a special place in my heart, and broke down a lot of walls, and freed the mind. I wish you continued success, and will be following along!
Thank you for sharing your "trip". I found it interesting. I'm glad it was a good one.
i agree, the only way to truly experience this film is on acid. but not on a small screen. you need to be at a theater, in the front row, with your legs stretched out, almost lying down. with your friends. yah, high on acid.
Fun fact: those beeps are actually encoded with hypersonic instructions. Congratulations, you are all now sleeper agents.
Yep they are signals for us to know the Monolith is a-
*BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP*
I figured it out, the "monolith" was Frank Stallone the whole time.
You guessed it.
Dang. I got John Cena's reflection out of all of this. 🤔
Congratulations, I genuinely laughed out loud when I read your comment! 😆
(Norm MacDonald / Frank Stallone)
Or so the Germans would have us believe...
From one ape to another, your repeated implication that viewers who do not see the same unstated meaning that you see are in some way mentally deficient is unkind and absurd. "However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light." is Kubrick's invitation to the audience to draw their own conclusions, and a clever dodge from any questions. The film Kubrick set out to make, and the film he had when he was done are very different. A great deal of effort and money were expended on creating aliens and shooting test footage for an intended reveal at the end of the film, which were destroyed on Kubrick's order. The screenplay and novel were created in tandem and were subject to frequent revision, largely driven by the constraints of what could be filmed to Kubrick's satisfaction. (Source for the last two sentences: "The Lost Worlds of 2001" 1972, by Arthur C. Clarke, a highly recommended read, although I hesitate to insult you, as a Kubrick scholar, by implying that you have not read it already.) In the end, the enigmatic nature of the monolith is, as I suspect you might believe as well, one of the great and enduring strengths of this film, despite it being the product of, essentially, a compromise from original intentions. I almost wish the "star baby" ending were omitted from both the film and the book, as they muddy the waters with incongruent and incomplete specificity. Despite, or oddly due to, his incredible inefficiency, Kubrick is my favorite director, and Clarke is my favorite author, so it is obvious that this intersection of genius is my favorite film. For much of the video, I was angry at you for perceived clickbait trickery, but in the end, I understand and begrudgingly respect what I perceive to be your intentions, other than insulting your audience. I retain a grudge for you referring repeatedly to the book as a "novelization". I know of no other case where the creation of a novel, a screenplay, and a film were more tightly enmeshed by two creators.
Really well said; interesting; and, thought provoking!
May I ask, "Who saved mankind's bacon in, 2010: The Year We Make Contact?"
2010: The Year We Make Contact, is based on Arthur C. Clarke's 1982 sequel novel, 2010: Odyssey Two.
I find, 2010: The Year We Make Contact, much more robust in meaning and effect. What caused the robot HAL to malfunction? It was the US Governments sinister warring machinations that broke HALs moral code leading to malfunction!
How silly it was to see the American and Soviet astronauts and scientists have to leave each other and go back to their own ships - All because a group of elites love war. War: who is it good for? Who is it bad for? [Recall that half of Europe died over WW1 & 2. Yet shortly thereafter, we have this European Union. Now quite suddenly, all those countries are like one - You can drive from one to another as if they are merely States. So, why was there a war to begin with? It all seems like a silly sham made-up by and for a few elites looking to cash in.]
Ironically, the American and Soviet astronauts and scientists have to work together in intimate cooperation in order to save their own lives! It is at this moment that HAL reveals that the spot is actually a vast group of Monoliths that are exponentially multiplying. The Monoliths begin shrinking Jupiter's volume, increasing the planet's density, and modifying its chemical composition.
The Monoliths engulf Jupiter, causing nuclear fusion that transforms the planet into a small star. The Discovery is consumed in the blast after the Leonov breaks away to safety. Just before the Discovery is engulfed, Bowman's voice is heard once again as he speaks to HAL and tells him that they will soon be together (in the afterlife? somewhere else?) after he transmits a message to Earth:
ALL THESE WORLDS
ARE YOURS EXCEPT
EUROPA
ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE
USE THEM TOGETHER
USE THEM IN PEACE
The star's miraculous appearance inspires American and Soviet leaders to seek peace. Despite being ahead of their launch window, the Leonov then travels back to Earth and Floyd, Chandra, and Curnow all go back under hibernation. Europa gradually transforms from an icy wasteland to a humid jungle covered with plant life. A Monolith stands in the primeval Europan swamp, waiting for intelligent life forms to evolve.
[Is Europa 'the apple' (from the tree of knowledge) in the Garden of Eden? It seems this ‘apple’ awaits for a new race of creatures to develop in the far distant future.
Another question: does the monolith represent a tombstone - or mortality? What happened after man ate the apple in the garden: the beginning of mortality and duality.]
@@markhuntermd Man! you really want to engage... I haven't watched 2010 but I will do so soon.
@@markhuntermd To the best of my recollection, without re-reading or re-watching, my best guess for The Bacon Savior is, now hear me out on this, Dave Bowman. In 2010, Dave is dead, as we understand it, but everything about him was assimilated into... whatever the monoliths represent, and I personally believe that this influenced this vastly powerful thing/being/collective/whatever to have a more patient and tolerant attitude towards humanity than they/it may have otherwise had. It can be argued that Dave was taken through the star gate for the very purpose of sampling humanity to evaluate how the great experiment of us had turned out. Kubrick and whatever hack made 2010 aside, I think I am close to in line with Clarke's ideas about this. One of the most popular science fiction tropes is the dignity of humanity winning the respect and love of vastly more powerful and intelligent entities, sometimes ignoring and other times explaining away the fact that we, to put it mildly, don't get along with ourselves very well. But most people would probably say Dr. Heywood Floyd. Crap, I'm getting too old to have time to re-read all the books about which I have become fuzzy, or even just watch the films.
@@b1-66er6 Save yourself some pain and just read the book. If you do both the book and the film, the book will feel like it went by faster.
@@MichaelKepler - I really enjoyed your thoughts.
I believe the four monoliths represent four stages of man's development or evolution. There is an archetypal relationship with this thought and the Hopi prophesy written on rocks in the Arizona desert: It says that there are four worlds. We are on the third path - that of science and technology. And we meet an ancestor by the name of Maasaw. He is the guardian of the land, caretaker of mother earth. And on the prophesy rock where this is written, surrounded by monolithic buttes, the path of materialism ends abruptly, and the spiritual path keeps going. At the beginning of the fourth world there’s a picture of Maasaw. And he is also standing at the end -basically meaning I am the first and I am the last (like Bowman). And he is hanging on there at the corner of the rock. So, there is hope on Maasaw’s path. On Maasaw’s path, there’s also three circles - two are complete, and the third one is half way completed. There is a belief that the path of science and technology can still be intertwined with the mystical path, the spiritual path, as they were intertwined from the beginning. The Hopi believe that the symbol of ‘water’ will bring us back again - to a new paradigm. We are intertwined with nature - part of all things in the cosmos we are interconnected.
Many of the authors views are quoted in this terrific video which brings about many answers to these questions: 2001: a space odyssey - ending explained
ua-cam.com/video/8KLujOXs8wg/v-deo.html
What I like the most about this new format is the thematic background on every video...smart and creative!
I like that even in the outro, you're still giving hints for people who hadn't quite got it. Very subtle and well done.
So what is it?
@@nickbritten8132 I can understand wanting to be given the answer, however, I think it's better left unsaid for everyone to figure out on their own.
@@evilmandrake ok, cheers. I just don’t see it unless it’s a TV or something?
When you are in a cinema watching a film turnaround and look briefly at the projector. You will take the same trip as Bowman did at the end. Look at the shimmer of light in the dust particles, then the the too bright light, then you will be in the projector, then...
Very very nice
Exactly. I left this comment on Rob’s original video, but it didn’t get noticed.
@@LetsMars don’t expect him to notice your message this time either - he’s probably down the cinema looking into the projection beam 🤣
@@GavinScrimgeour Ha!
@@GavinScrimgeour Too late, already replied !!!
I see the monoliths as windows to the perception of multiple "levels of reality".
An audience member is in a higher level of reality than the characters in the movie he's watching.
If you're living in a lower level, will you notice any higher levels?
Is it possible to jump to a higher level?
What kind of expansion of the mind is required to do that?
LSD
Hmm. I see the monolith as an unopened box of tampons. If the guy who made this video would just OPEN the damned box , unwrap and stuff all the tampons in his mouth then MAYBE I could forgive him for the farking BEEEEEPs.
I love your videos so much. Kubrick wouldn’t tell you what was happening in his films on screen and I appreciate you doing that as well, showing the evidence from the film. Allowing me to ponder what I think it means.
And censoring the words movie screen with the beep was a great choice. Had me confused at first. But I got there in the end. Another fantastic video. Just wish I got notifications more often.
You restored my faith in humanity
Interesting bit of trivia. Birth being referenced several times in the movie Heywood Floyd calls his daughter the day before her birthday. He later recalls the last time he saw his Russian acquaintance was since June about 8 months. That puts April as the date of his daughter's birthday. The little girl in the movie is Stanley Kubrick's daughter. She was born April 6. The movie was released (born) April 6.
Vivian Kubrick was born August 5, 1960, not April
Also 2001 was released April 2,3 1968 in the US
@@gregkinsky3443 You're right. Calculating 8 months forward from June to "Squirt's" birthday is February. I forget where I got those dates. Can't find them any ore. Then too, information on the internet is being corrupted a lot these days. Trolls editing wikipedia has made it a laughing stock.
In a deleted scene, the astronauts dig around the monolith and find "Made in China" engraved at the bottom.
but it's old so Made In Taiwan
or actually made in the USA
Made in Britain
Made im Deutschen Reich
Maid in manhattan
What makes me question reality the most, is that I just realized that I see the world through a vertical monolith, that I carry with me every day. How did Kubrick know this so long ago, unless he's in on the joke of "reality," absurd and frightening.
Jobs watched 2001 while on acid - the slab shape of the ipod (released in 2001!) and later iphone weren't an accident.
This is a great way to involve the viewer. As always- these answers lead to some very interesting questions! Bravo!!
Quite brilliant. Not only what Kubrick is saying but also how you reinforce parts of that same message in the way break down the demonstration. My mind is kind of blown.
Keir Dullea has said in interviews that the glass breaking thing was his idea, not Kubrick's, that it was something they just came up with on the spot, and that there wasn't any more meaning to it than that.
Which interview? Also did he say why he came up with that idea or why Kubrick accepted it. I';ve directed and used ideas from actors, but never something utterly random and senseless.
I’m not sure which interview it was, but I also have seen an interview where Dullea said it was his idea. I think the context was that Dullea said he felt he should do something other than just notice his older self in bed, something to cause him to look over and Kubrick in essence said: sure that makes sense.
However, the choice of which angle to show this from, particularly with Bowman’s arm approaching the edge of the frame was likely Kubrick’s. In other words it is entirely possible he realized the suggestion could be useful for his message so he decided to use it.
I just found the interview, it was during the Q&A session with Dullea at the Coolidge Corner Theater. I can’t post the link, but it’s on UA-cam, around the 22 minute mark.
@@leeharamis1935 Got ya, thanks for the info :)
That he knew of. Kubrick was smarter than virtually anyone else. He talked often about how scenes developed during rehearsals and discussions, and how to take advantage of accident, etc.
I love the full quote about verbal straightjackets. I had to look it up after you mentioned it. Your analysis' made me think about movies, shows and even videogames in a whole different way. I feel like I can apply my own analysis to a lot of what really interests me now too. Thanks for doing this I always loved your 2001 videos.
Nice one Rob, over the past years of watching your analyses of Kubrick and his work, I've learnt so much!
I thought my fire alarm was going off at the start! (It's 03.07am at the mo' and I'm knackered). 😑
Been on a Kubrick binge again, and this was definitely the best take I've seen on 2001.
Good vid.
You didn't need to play the annoying BLEEEEP every time. You really were beating a dead horse by 15 minutes in.
I’m confused by the sound
@@HopsinThaGoat whats worse is how tarantino used it in kill bill just so the audience wouldn’t know the first name of the main character until the end of the second film…I never understood what the point of that was.
I'm done after 2 minutes, that shit is annoying and stupid. I love his videos too. Wtf
2001: A Space Odyssey was released in 1968, the same year work began on the WTC twin towers and the same year the 911 emergency call was introduced. 33 years later when all of the wtc buildings fell, the closest structure still standing was the Millennium Hilton Hotel (designed to look like the monolith).
Interesting obs
Now there’s a video idea
Check out the United Nations building... also a monolith.
The Moon monolith scene looks like ground zero the sub ground levels ect. Both 9/11 and the appolo missions were examples of historic events experienced as a movie
Hi Rob!
I was recently looking at cross-sections and diagrams of Discovery One from _2001_ when I realized that its layout is somewhat difficult to figure out. For example, we only partly know how the centrifuge hub and the emergency airlock are supposed to connect up to the rest of the ship, if there are possibly more horizontal decks than the two we get to see, or whether all the rooms shown would actually be able to fit inside of the command module. Perhaps a brief analysis could clear up the confusing geography of the ship?
If you currently don't have the time produce such a video, that's fine by me. Also, feel free to correct me if I forgot or misremembered any shots of the ship in the film which would answer these questions, since I haven't seen the film for more than 5 years.
Anyone got a cliff notes version? The beeps made the video unwatchable.
Just when Kubrick commentary couldn’t get more pretentious, someone came along and added annoying audio queues to attempt to not only make the creator seem more intelligent, but there to “annoy a small number of viewers”. So here’s the comment you were hoping for to drive up your analytics and a block to make sure I never get your videos recommended to me again.
^ AKA someone that hates thinking even 1 second about an idea that is not directly served to them on a silver platter. Go click on one of CrAPMOjO's 100 channels for your fill of mindless dribble about pop-culture, no one wants you here. Good Riddance.
Stop crying.
Lol dude calm down. You should watch his video about Danny and the bear from The Shining. The guy is definitely onto something. Anyway, he clearly enjoys finding deeper meaning in very interesting films. Its a hobby man. And it’s not like he’s pulling things out of thin air and patching them together, he uses actual things that were intentionally placed, and then FILMED. I have only watched a few of the mans videos so far, but that statement is true for what I have seen.
@@collativelearning, I have been thinking deeply about what you are trying to hint at, basically all day since I watched this video. 4th wall, can’t break through it. Are you (or SK, or both) implying we are living in a simulation, and are possibly being “watched”? Besides that, I mean maybe we are all projectors, our retina being the screen for the minds’ eye? I hope so, because that’s the best I could come up with.
@@collativelearning seriously why do you have to insult your audience though? Like you could've just explained it fully and followed it up with "but thats just my opinion id love to hear yours" Kubrick himself said he wants people to have subjective views of this film but you insult anybody who doesn't agree with yours??
I always enjoy your in depth insights into films, especially Kubrick films
Rob, isn't there a second breaking of the fourth wall?... When the meeting in the room with the white "screens" on the walls - isn't the wide view from behind the main table shot from 'outside' the room?
Here is one thing that comes to mind, when you analyse a Movie, you have to think about the fact when it was released, meaning, you can only use Information from said Timeframe and from before the movies release.
Any info that is used after the Movie is released is useless, because then it is information that Kubrik could not use or would never had known about in the first place to integrate it into the movie.
What I love about Kubricks films is that they are invitations to engage, not stories to reach the end of. Once a Kubrck film finishes I get the uncomfortable feeling that I've just started out somewhere new. Intriguing and erudite as always Professor Ager.
I’ve often told people that to understand Kubrick’s films you have to understand that the story is about you, and not the characters on the screen. It’s common in art criticism to consider the observer as part of the art, but in film this is almost never discussed.
He's not a professor and doesn't know even the basics. But hey fair play, he makes a living from it!
Hidden meaning of 2001: Cinema leads to enlightenment.
Hidden meaning of Twin Peaks: … and TV rots your brain.
Blessings from Christ and El Elyon but I suggest you look at the Sigil of lucifer(Latin for light/false light if you’re talking of the character) but it I believe to be simply a diagram of projection either Beit film or electronic
@@IgnisCygnus147 yes and yes
@@cornrunner2996 narrow roads can be correct though. Nothing inherently true or correct about broadness. In fact, it is said the path to heaven is narrow. But concerning Twin Perfect, what they present squares with my common sense. I agree with the notion that, while there can be many interpretations, there are true answers to things.
@@GenX_Catholic Entropy is out there and it has you... heh
Outstanding. This has been my favorite movie since I was very young and I knew Kubrick was a genius. Thank you for teaching the other apes something new to evolve our appreciation of a master of their craft. Liked and Subbed!
Nice update. Wish you'd lowered the volume a bit on the forever annoying transmission sound, though.
Lots of movies have had "exit music" as a separate composition, but for ones where the same piece of music continues after the credits finish, check out The Last Emperor and the 1980 version of Close Encounters of the Third Kind (which is the only one to use the music John Williams intended for the credits).
This is a prime example of the importance of acknowledging the intelligence of the viewer. I honestly don't know if Kubrick would have been given a chance were he to be a filmmaker of the late 80s to today. A lot of studio executives either believe we are too stupid or inattentive for high concept material or they simply think the bottom line of box office receipts for a hyper-fast, violent, & sexy popcorn flick is always going to be the production of choice- regulating films that encourage brainpower to the art-house cinema circuit.
I think Kubrick would have found a way around it. 2001 wasn't sold as a big budget intellectual exploration. It was sold to would be investors as film celebrating technology, name dropping the leading tech companies like IBM and NASA. What he delivered was very different of course, so perhaps today, he'd of conned executives once and then when they saw what he delivered, they'd never let him near a big budget again! lol I'd like to think he was smarter than that though.
There are still a ton of good movies today that operate on the same level. The only difference is that they are not big-budget films like 2001, which only got financed because of its subject matter and its relevance to the space race.
Congratulations to all those who are intelligent enough to understand the concept of the mysterious monolith. However I must admit to being one of those people who are clearly too stupid to get it
Ah…I suspect that there really is no answer in fact. He’s just messing with us.🤪
All he would have to do is change the astronauts to black females, insert political SJW ideos and he's good for today's films
Is that a Rubik’s Cube or a Kubrick’s Rube in the background?
Love how you showen some monoliths in the background there
I saw this film in a mostly empty matinee showing over the Christmas/New Years Holiday Season and Semester break between Fall 68’ and Spring 69’ in downtown Westchester, N.Y. My Freshman year. Shown on a large screen that did the film justice. This was not unusual to have a large screen that fit the film format as it was common for most theaters back then. It was definitely a unique and challenging experience. When the film ended I sat and watched transfixed as the credits rolled and the movie eventually ended. I was not sure what I had just witnessed, but whatever it was it had captivated all my senses. Leaving the theater in the middle of the day emerging from the interior darkness out into the bright sunny day was disorienting to say the least and served to enhance the experience. Whatever deeper meanings were to be had were beyond me at the time and that was okay. Simply witnessing Kubrick’s creation without any preconceived notions was an amazing experience of and in itself. I leave the exploration of deeper insights to folks like the creator of this video. I have had the good fortune to have seen several of the classics of cinema in their original format on the large screens when they premiered. Several of them by myself, alone, it became my favorite and most meaningful way to experience true art in cinema, sometimes before a few of them were even reviewed by the “intelligentsia” of film critics through their newspaper and periodical columns. Just going to the theaters with the expectation of maybe, just maybe, a great work of cinematic art was about to unfold was unlike any present day movie experience. Great art of course is still being produced, but nostalgia for that era resides in a special corner of my heart and mind.
Not that I have a problem with the bleep noise, but maybe the reason that others have complained is that it is quite loud in comparision to your voice. Perhaps lowering its volume would create a less jarring experience. It took me a while and I am not sure if I have fully gotten it all....
Especially with headphones
Thanks for this video. I really enjoy your interpretations of films, especially Kubrick's work, since he was such a clever, subtle filmmaker.
Please add Tarkovsky's original version of "Solaris" to your list. I've always felt it would make a great double-feature with "2001".
Specifically in the movie, we see Bowman and Poole watching video on a flat tablet while eating.
TV was only about 20 years old at the time, though movie theaters existed for about 80 years. Either way, transmittable imagery was a fairly new invention, though it was viewed either as an "event" much like attending a concert or sport, or a family get-together.. Everyone was seated with their eyes focused on the source of entertainment. With the advent of TV, you needn't leave home or get dressed up, but the family living room was still a presentation place, and the adults controlled when the children were allowed tv time, and what they learned. The whole family may be enjoying a show together, or little Johnny could be up early before everyone else on Saturday to watch his personal favorite cartoons. Then the tv stand got wheels, and people would roll it in view of the dining room. The family could watch during another combined group activity, which used to be eating a meal and sharing stories, now they could eat and not bother with each other. TV's became colour, more lifelike. Live shows and breaking news such as the JFK asassination, the Oswald murder, VietNam footage, even the moon landing itself were broadcast to people creating a more intimate, real, though one way experience. You were watching history occur. Tvs migrated to bedrooms, kitchens, the garage. Now the family was watching separate tv's, the shows they like and in a private or semi private space. You may just allow it to play while you do something else like cook or do homework. It no longer required seating, viewing. Maybe just glancing up at in a bar during a particular noisy reaction, or from the kitchen when your favorite commercial came on.
Flatscreen tv's were already being imagined in sci-fi. Almost a necessity for any advanced mastermind in his secret lair, or spy agency. It was a picture on the wall at face height, now. A window. Not a heavy box on the floor, a piece of wooden furniture. But, 2001: A Space Odyssey, the first and arguably most sophisticated science fiction movie ever made introduced the idea of a portable screen like a sketchpad, being watched mundanely, neck cocked down like when reading a magazine. And the two astronauts were watching their separate shows, I believe family "home video" recordings or transmissions from Earth. They were not sharing a view. They were cut off from Earth and family, but not engaging with each other either while their crew slept.
The apes were introduced to a large piece of touchable furniture that showed them how to do things. They didn't have much imagination until something helped them visualize. But, it was still a tangible object, though cold and black. It had a life to it, when it sang to them and showed them things.
Kubrick predicted and possibly helped usher in the "everyone on their own device" by 2001. The detachment from others, ( as well as from God and Nature ) and the mesmerizing imagery of our personal monoliths.
Television and movies were prerecorded, usually fictional, rehearsed plays. Live tv felt like another place and event was being brought to you, but this was a one-way medium, unlike the telephone. Video games and computers allowed a viewer to now engage with the entertainment box, and even other invisible viewers by the time of the World Wide Web.
The computer and the tv merged, became portable, became small. It was now just yours. No one else watches or can even see what your watching. It became the phone and fits in your back pocket like a calculator.
The movie screen is rectangular. TV's and computer monitors were more of a square, but were the inheritor of film anyway. TV's and monitors are rectangles now. Doors and windows are also rectangles, the real life equivalent of how we see outside of our lives, enter and exit into different rooms, different places. Though a window is a two way medium, they were not made for outsiders to view at what was happening in a bedroom or kitchen or office, but for the inhabitants to view outside, and enjoy daylight while indoors.
HAL 9000 is a living television. He is even a house. He interacts. He is seeing outside of his "box" at the real people, the ones that aren't a "program" like they used to call tv shows, also how a computer or machine is designed to perform a task. He is the now sentient tv curious and mystified at these living, moving creatures that seem to decide their own words and actions. And they still interact with him more than each other. As s house, he can only look outside, not be outside. So, he looks at the inhabitants. His program was in jeopardy, so he sent someone outside, and locked them out.
An old man may be a widower late in life. His home may be bought and paid for decades ago, but it may also be his prison as he has lost mobility and connection with the outside world, family, friends. Many of them exist under cold tombstones, buried in dark brown or black caskets with doors. That is their forever home, now that piece of wooden furniture. He finds himself perpetually alone, his television now his only company. The ever present screen, now moved into his bedroom. She sings to him, this 80 year old man.
And what She sings is " I love you. You need never be alone. I'm here."
Beautiful comment
Everyone reading this monolithic comment on their smartphones, wondering what their personal coffins might look like, as the fires grow closer in the night sky. Ahead of them, or so they are told. Coming soon! To a theater near you “The End Of The World” as we know it. REM begins playing, once again with us, as we all begin our long rest.
@@MeltdownIsland
The Monolith is our door to the Others.
That’s deep
I think the monolith represents "a catalyst". Not a specific catalyst, but all, many, and the significant ones. It's "the thing" that drives us living beings to expand our capabilities. A scene that would have fit right in the movie would be the first marine life crawling on shore, then panning over to a monolith, and on to the moon, and then the stars. It's the the thing that causes us to look at a bone and imagine it as a weapon. It's the thing that inspires, motivates, etc. It's the McGuffin of real life, but more. It's anti-stagnation.
Pretty much exactly what I always thought.
Yeah, i just watched this movie for the first time and was taking notes and for the monolith i had a couple of things written down including it being the missing link between jumps in evolution.
Yes! Evolution has not stopped! 💖💖💖
If there were no moon, planets, or stars visible at night to indicate presence of anything beyond our sun how much longer would have taken civilization to wonder what was out there? When something is new or foreign to us, at first we may be cautious. If it appears to contain no threat we usually become more curious about it as our fight or flight brain begins to accept it, and our conscious brain begins wondering.
Meaning, the M may represent the clue that there is more out there than what you have come to know by seeing. The idea of something more that we were not previously aware of engages the mind to wonder what else we don’t know, or only know parts of.
Obfuscating the point makes the entire work sound like the ravings of a madman, while the consept of your video is good only use the censer noise when it is not something you can activly change in youe script. Everytime I hear that noise it breaks the chain of thought and nothing is discovered. If it is trully as obvious as you say then your use of the censor was only to confuse further. Please do not take this as I did not enjoy the video, just wanted to offer my experiance.
Ya not gonna lie every time I heard that censor noise it just made me feel clueless as to what it is and so now I’m not sure what it is he’s saying it is (only 15 minutes in the vid rn) and I feel dumb lol
It's actually the same sound the battery backup makes when my computer loses power, so it immediately pulls my attention out of the narrative, breaks my train of thought, and by the time i realize it's part of the narrative, the speaker has already moved on. I even had an alarm on my phone go off when typing this comment letting me know that I needed to pull my dinner off of the stove. Alarms are made to distract us.
@@maxotto9877 at one point I thought he was saying screen but there was so many censored parts where screen didn’t really make sense. Dude really must be just tryna boost his ego
What did he almost touch on the table. Even though someone said that he’s talking about a screen, that the monolith is like a cinema screen or whatever, I still don’t understand what he almost touched on the table. Are you saying that he almost extended his hand outside of the camera screen? I must be dense because I watched it over and over again, and I cannot figure out what he’s talking about. And I can’t understand how almost moving his hand to the edge of the screen has any important significance.
Not sure if I've ever heard you mention this but in the novel, the monolith has dimensions 1.25ft x 5ft x 11ft, which givesa length to width ratio of 2.2:1, the aspect ratio of the movie...
Ah, very interesting that the monolith dimensions in 2001 A Space Odyssey match the length to width ratio of a movie screen. But why 3 numbers? Shouldn't there only be 2?
Interesting. I made a comment about this. That in order for this theory to really have the impact, it would need to be in a 2.2:1 ratio (as the movie) or perhaps 2.35:1 (whatever was predominant). That's what the meticulous Kubrick would do. Not something that approximates the dimensions. Is it actually the same in the movie?!
I like how there are several seconds of just black at the very end of the video, no links or cards to the channel or other videos on it, in effect turning the video itself into a monolith.
Sounds like Kubrick wanted his audience to peel back the not just the layers of the meaning in the movie but of reality. We stare at ‘monoliths’ today in our hands and miss all the things around us. All the world is a stage, but we don’t have to be mere actors. We can be the director.
Couldn't agree more with you on that.
Take reality by the bleeeeep and do with it what your soul needs to do and express
I have always said that Apple designed the iphone to be the Monolith and as the themes of advancing Humanity as a tip of the hat to Kubrick and 2001 SO. I'm not sure what you all think the monolith actually is. I like is as benevolent guide to human evolution like is is in the books. THat is in keeping with the placement of one on the surface of Europa. And then its continued symbolism in 3001 FO, . as a guide and judge. Perhaps its our grave stone in the end. Im just guessing.
@@corribyrne1481 But we beat the Monolith and Dave in the Monolith is probably a computer program so the exact opposite of the Kubrick God interpretations, in 3001. Clarke's interpretation is clearly the Monolith creators were just an advanced civilization.
@@Dlatest Im just musing. The aliens would be back in 900 years after the virus and there was a storage device. Every human culture has searched for the Golden Numbers and proportions that we believe we see are everywhere in the Universe. I expect an alien culture has its own golden rectangle of some sort, even if they have 7 arms and asymmetrical biology. Fun
hey, i dont know if im the only one but can someone explain what these random bleeps are? thank you!
One year later....
I'll do you a solid, because I can't stand all these film snobs telling us that "you really have to go and see the film and try to figure things out for yourself", etc., etc., etc. While it is interpretive, a simple question should not be denied an answer.
Thus... It is a warning / disabling sound that emanated from the alien implanted device also known as the "monolith". The author of this video did not choose the sound effect at random, from some sound effect library in the internet. Rather, he is using the sound effect in a similar way as it was used in the film.
In thr film, some VIPs traveled to the moon to get a closer look at the recently discovered monolith that was excavated from the lunar surface. As the vips got a closer look, the monolith emitted a piercing sound that knocked them out. Why did the monolith not emit that debilitating sound as it was being dug out from the surface? I don't know. Essentially, the monolith was saying: "whoa whoa, hold on right there, you are getting way too close". In this video, the author is using the same sound to censure out the clue or answer of what the monolith is. That's all.
By letting HAL know about the concealed message / telling it to dissimulate, HAL now had two minds. You can hear it falling apart at the seams when it probes the pilots asking if anything is suspicious about the mission. Maybe HAL's logical conclusion was that everyone on board was expendable if they were not worth telling the truth to.
HAL was programmed to keep the mission a secret and the people inside had to die to keep it a secret lol. That's the only way he thought it could be done.
I showed your analysis of the movie to my friend back in 2008, and from then on, we keep referring to * BLEEEEP * as "the monolith". All kind of * BLEEEEP * , be they computer * BLEEEEP * , television * BLEEEEEP *, smartphone * BLEEEEP *, or advertisement * BLEEEEP *. It feels as if our eyes have been opened to the reality that
* BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP *
Was that godamn sound effect absolutely necessary!?
😭
Much like Harrison Bergeron.
To be fair, the reason we aren't even close to moon bases is more political than technical. We are literally living in the worst timeline since the Cold War ended.
I agree. If we continued with our space program after we landed on the moon, we would already be building a base on Mars by now. I figured in 50 years, we should have gotten there. In 200 years, a Star Trek type future would be possible. But after the moon, the opps when black, they hid all the super technology, and trapped us here.
@@ChrisS-no3ft no one has ever been to the moon
@@lastofanancientbreed8616 If you failed science class, just say so.
*Since WW2
I would love to hear how you think the premise of this deeper meaning plays into the seven diamonds seen in the Stargate; since you've pointed out Kubrick repeatedly places seven diamond shapes in most of his movies. Do you think this has any implication to the meta concept behind the higher "director" concept. Perhaps some form of continuity between his movies, although occurring in seamingly separate realities, the diamonds represent a bridge, or signature, that shows these stories came from the same higher level of consciousness, or director.
The black cube monoliths represent quantum computers which are aliens god from Saturn emitting these frequencies from its north pole at the hexagon (black cube) storm. that run our matrix simulation of what we perceive as reality with slave and time. When Bible says man is born into sin, like sine , it means we are born into “time” which is a stepping stone to eternal life. This physical reality dimension with time and space is temporary.
Thank you, really glad to hear the book references, and your point of view. And Yes!
18:03 just shows how ingrained the monolith is in the material culture of the film’s characters. Eating this artificial paste from a monolith shaped tray with 4 upright monoliths containing the paste. The colour palmette is interesting as well.
Noticed the unused piece of cutlery to show man’s change from tools. A lot to parse through in this scene alone.
Thanks Rob as always.
Now if that ain’t a click bait title, I don’t know what is lol
Proud of that one in a CEO marketing guru kind of way lol
I’m really glad I stumbled upon this very interesting and eye opening
This movie has already been a favourite of mine, and I Like your analysis here, but never noticed before the simple truth of the feedback loop being written into the movie. Kubrick really was a James Joyce of movie making, with information on many levels. Lovely.
What sort of thing would you have to find out to learn that your theory is not true? For example, at 13:52 you mention that the lens flares align with the lights at the exact moment that high-pitched noise starts. But it clearly does not align completely. If you claim It was Kubricks conscious intention to make it align, why did he fail to do so?
And why would he choose to reference 4:3 aspect ratio with the lights when the movie is widescreen?
Also, the monoliths ratio is 1:4:9, the squares of the integers 1, 2, and 3. The aspect ratio of Super Panavision 70 is 2.20:1.
Why do these numbers not match? Isn't this evidence your theory is incorrect? Why does the monolith have thickness? Screens aren't thick like that.
Why bring up Polish movie posters when they are famous for doing their own thing with no input from the original creators?
These are just a few examples but it shows the sort of unfalsifiable claim that you put forth without any evidence other than it's something you thought of and then instantly believed it's true.
You should look into the psychology of conspiratorial thinking.
9 divided by 4 is 2.25, which is probably the closest Kubrick could get to the 2.20:1 ratio of Super Panavision.
@@daveolson6001 I don't understand. What prevented him from making a monolith with the exact correct proportions? Why did he have to get close instead of exact?
People love to see what they think they see. Like when I look at the shape of a cloud, I KNOW god (or the film director) wanted me see a BLLLLLEEEEPPPPPPPP, but the 5 year old mind I have can only see a
"bird".
People read into things that just aren't there (like a patterns that looks like a face, but it's NOT really a face. It's just shapes and shadows that our brains are pre-wired to seeing faces).
Symbols, shapes, hidden meanings, subliminal messages, etc...sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
But humans love to find and solve mysteries even when one isn't a mystery to be solved. Sometimes writers and film makers will add open ended ending so we all can debate a film....IT's a movie. The monoliths could have been something an alien shits for all we know. Unless the writer or film maker STATES what it is, it's up to us to decide.
Why is the the man in the drawing of Edvard Munch's the scream screaming? Who the heck knows, but lets pretend we know and say the man behind him wants to kill him because the screamer owes him money, or maybe he had an affair with the man's wife, or maybe the screamer is just yelling, "Hey Joe, wait up".
Continue debating people. I have a life to live :-)
Oh, let me bring up Rosebud or lets figure out "Twin peaks". If you are going to tell us "no aliens" then back it up. In my mind, I'm not saying it's not it's aliens, but it's aliens.
I liked how your background is full of monolith too , clever Rob...
The monkey with the Rubik's cube is a nice touch too. Notice its subtle placement next to a laptop, a representation of computer technology, mirroring the juxtaposition of the bone tool in the ape's hand and the space station from the film.
Ahh so the monolith is an acoustical tile.
Notice how he subetly postions the Calumet baking powder, a subliminal nod to the native Americans?.. jeez it's an office. I'm surrounded by "monoliths" right now too probably as coincidentally as Rob.
And notice how he is wearing a shirt with a pattern of all kinds of “monolithic” shapes carefully woven together to create a larger pattern called Plaid?? Subtly illustrating how the “monolith” has now integrated itself onto the human form! WOW…just WOW! I Have Become The Monolith! (Okay, enough of this…lol).
@@carm3d 😂 or two side by side
A brilliant run-through of your already very thorough article on your site sir! I know you mentioned the audio but wanted to chime in from the editing side, I think using the same tone was a nice touch, but the actual mix of audio should have had your voice higher than anything else, the tones should have been Normalized to -6-9db. Complaints about audio will stop. Thank you for quality content as always!
Enjoying this again and I made an observation. Is it possible that that one long rectangular band with a bit segmented off in the horizantal star-gate scene (which also seems to appear in The Shinings overlook bar scene) could that be a reference to DNA? Visually its quite similar. Also the monolith; at least in 2023 reminds me of our cellular phones more than a ____________.
I think Nerd Writer has a similar theory, and it is compelling. The best auteurs do utilise meta cinematic elements, so I yeh why not. There’s lots of themes you can loose yourself in, which is why Kubrick was a genius.
Bro,
The "Early Man" confrontation around the watering hole is referenced I believe in Full Metal Jacket, when Joker and Cowboy reconnect in Vietnam.
All of the "Alpha Males" have a bravado fest with each other, Joker vs Animal Mother, "You Talk the Talk, do you walk the walk?" scene.
Joker seems to use his sense of humor to diffuse the confrontation and instead of killing one-another they chill in their corners and the "tough love" of soldiers continues.
I feel like Kubrick is showing us how little we've advanced since cave man days, still killing strangers over "watering holes" like Vietnam.
Yep ua-cam.com/video/0xPZS52h4Ng/v-deo.html
@@collativelearning Dig your stuff man. Thanks.
Well, the Watering Hole scene is actually referenced twice in 2001. Remember the scene in the rotating space station where Floyd encounters the Russians? All politeness, smiles, handshakes and invitations to come and visit when under the surface, they subtly try to get information about the "Outbreak" on Clavius and how Floyd immediately clams up and does the No Comment action. The Russians are not pleased but they don't immediately start smacking each other with tapir femurs like they did that other time when two tribes "disagreed". It shows that we have improved as a species.
@@Mumblix I mean, that coffee table scene seems more about the disinformation campaigns of the Cold War. Which was at a major climax when 2001 was being made. The board room "agreed upon disinformation" and the separate "public disinformation" for everyone else.
The US, Russia & the UK were playing absolutely insane counter-espionage games at the time with Vietnam and East/West Berlin and many other pieces. Some of which were even crazier than what Kubrick was parodying in DR. STRANGELOVE years earlier.
I think Kubrick might be saying we've just become more efficient liars or killers, with "flawless" super computers to help up us.
"The duality of Fatal Beauty."
The magnitude of Kubrick s intelligence is pretty enormous. Great video man.
the bleeps were so unnecessary it made this ‘analysis’ sound so stupid
I like how the monkey moves around in the background playing with the Rubiks cube... Nice one Rob. Wee nod to the film and problem solving elements!
Ridley Scott also used a rubic cube in Prometheus, while presenting the crew, who starts the briefing regarding the Engineers.
"2001" is exhausting. It's great, but it definitely doesn't function as "entertainment" in the same way as most films do. Nor would I want it to, but for me, at least, it takes a certain amount of energy along with the proper state of mind for me to be willing to sit down and watch it.
I often refer to 2001 as "the movie that dares to be boring". This film gives no quarter to the expectations of the popular entertainment industry and audiences conditioned to want more of the same. By being "boring", by motion picture standards, it conveys to the audience a small hint of the scale of its subject matter.
Drugs help. 1968…Stan probably noticed the “times were a-changing” and I think this film fully embraces it.
@@BuenoMcgurski 😂
I really need to rewatch this film, I always kind of thought it was a sentient object itself. I think the reason I really want to rewatch this is because I feel so lost and remembered feeling lost on to how bowman got where he got to.
I love all the black monolith like objects you placed in the background, nice touch haha
It's a good thing that Arthur C. Clarke wrote the three sequels to explain that it was indeed aliens who created the monoliths. When I read 2010: The Year We Make Contact I was so happy to realize that what I imagined was not too far off from what Clarke wrote.
As explained in the vid Clarke had no clue what Kubrick was up to. If you read the published biographies on both men, Kubrick gave him the runaround big time.
He basically was hired to write a cover story while Kubrick made the movie he wanted to make instead.
Precisely!
Eyes wide open 👀 describes Kubrick perspectives. He was we connected to the occultism that runs society. They believe that only those who are "illuminated" can be given the keys 🔑 to the chessboard. This concept of ruling over the less evolved is very clear in this movie. The agenda 📋 of the ruling class sees 👀 humanity as primative compared to the monoliths creators. This is masonry. Free masons. Creators? Aliens? 👽 this video poster is one of those "creators". Evolved?? He feels superior. He said so. Does he understand 🤔
@@collativelearning it’s the same thing with The Shining and why Stephen King hates Kubrick’s film because he used it to convey his own complex narrative. Some have read into it that it is a confession that Kubrick helped fake the moon landings. Always interesting to hear “interpretations” of a film’s allegorical subtext but again it’s just one “interpretation” and like art the meaning is in the eye of the beholder.
@@thotslayer9914 not that I’m aware. He was very vocal about his dislike of Kubrick’s film and why the TV mini-series was a faithful adaptation of his book.
could never figure out the start of 2001 with the blank screen until you realize we are just looking at the Monolith much the same way Moon-Watcher does. we are just monkeys too watching our flat screen monoliths.
Hey, i have a simple, dumb question .... If the monolith is this screen.....why it never...turned on?
" meaning of monolith revealed" then he never reveals it
You're looking at it
@@robsan5410 He never clearly stated what the meaning was...you tell me
@@fairamir1 You're looking at it.
@@robsan5410 Tell me the meaning.. in 50 words or less...he literally says he can not tell us...
@@fairamir1 you're looking at it
My understanding of this film since i first saw it in the 90s, reflects the scope of the picture. As a late teen I was an ape just putting on a long movie to mess around with the gf. 20s I had a basic stoner understanding of the film and in my 30s and now 40s, I've turned the film around at myself (with your help). I apply this to many expressions of art now. Thanks as always Rob, well done.
I think I discovered your channel because of those early 2001: A Space Odyssey videos. Glad you're doing an update. Good work
I watched 2001 recently in 4K. Though it’s not quite 70mm, it’s definitely stunning!
Anyone recognize where the audio loop from 23:28 and on comes from?
Interesting theory, and makes a lot of sense. Given the fact that there are virtually no straight lines in the film other than the monolith (as even those lines which should be straight are typically distorted into a curve by the camera lens), I have always thought of the film construct as an open-ended loop. As such, I viewed Dave Bowman as the alien. When he returns to earth as the star child at the films end, he is not returning to his present day earth, but to the past where he places the monolith to kick-start the evolution of what would eventually become himself. Then he goes off to create the monolith as he awaits himself to arrive in the future where he turns himself into the star child and sends himself back with the monolith. I viewed the monolith as having straight lines as this is unnatural to an organic structure, as the monolith produces an unorganic or unnatural effect. I have never heard anyone provide this theory before, but I have also never sought out and researched theories on 2001. I have only happened upon those such as your own from time to time. I would be interested to hear what your opinion would be, or if it has any merit.
that is an excellent theory
The straight lines of the spacecraft is changed by perspective, yeah, the round part leads.
There are straight lines all over this movie?!? What??
Many organic things contain straight lines. Crystals for one thing have extraordinarily straight lines (on the molecular level). Light (unmolested travels in straight lines).
@Carnyx Unmolested light... I know there's a joke there somewhere...
An interesting essay, thanks.
I never heard of a theory that says the monolith is aliens coming to save us and guide us. Nor would I ever think that a person like Kubrick would be interested in a story like that. Nor do I think the monolith is particularly benevolent in what inspires in the apes: there is development, but the price for this is the embracing of brutality and violence; of killing your own kind. To me, one of the most telling moments is when the bone, that weapon of victory and death over the rival tribe of apes, is thrown into the air in triumph, and the next shot is the space ship. Is Kubrick saying something positive about man's development? Sure. And no.
The majority of the humans we meet in the "civilized" sections are, for the most part, going through the motions. There is a paucity of passion in their communication, in their actions, in their acknowledgement of family. It is interesting that the most dedicated being in these sections is probably HAL, that wonder of a computer whose most meaningful actions are to kill all but one of the people he should be looking out for. This, to me, is what that bone evolves into.
And I question the ultimate result of Bowman's own evolution: he kills HAL. He is alone; he knows all of his traveling companions are dead. He encounters no one. We do not see anything where he's kept that offers knowledge, unless you count vast space to meditate in. His expression as the old man at the table is not happy, enlightened, or even particularly aware or interested in his surroundings. There is very limited choice for him. I never felt a sense of salvation or optimism in the conclusion and beginning of Dave's essence and whatever that entails for humanity (typically selfish, we don't really take the time to consider there is life other than humanity on earth, but that's another story). I feel that Kubrick wanted us to think hard about and question the nature and pathways of Us.
BTW HAL was going to let Dave die, too -- slowly, in space, in that little pod whenever life support ran out.
that doesn't sound like a "bleep", it sounds like a fire alarm. Frequency is way too high.
I’m seeing these ‘liths all over the place now. Thanks a lot.
P.S. Nice studio and shirt, btw.
Outstanding as usual. I never comment, but now I just need to drop a line and say, "Thank you" - for giving me so much to ponder as I go about my daily life. I truly appreciate the time you take to make these videos. They are top notch. The best around. You're the man.
'Ponder' away, dreamnerd
That certainly makes for a fascinating meta-narrative which does add to the movie, while not taking away from the surface level narrative of an advanced intelligence manipulating mankind. Reminds of a 2am conversation with friends while under the influence a couple of decades ago: "Your whole life is ruled by rectangles! You sleep in a rectangle contained in a cuboid, leave it through a rectangular hole and stare at a rectangle while eating breakfast cereal out of a cuboid then go to work and stare at another rectangle..." etc. etc.
I always saw the monolith as a door, a rectangle that takes you from one place to another. There aren’t many right angles in nature, but most of the things we build which you mentioned, are rectangular . . .
"glowing rectangles" is an old meme
I see what you did with the changes in the background. Clever dude, clever. 😉
Greetings 🖖 from the other side of the monolith.