THE SHINING How did Jack escape the store room - 5 theories, you decide
Вставка
- Опубліковано 13 гру 2019
- Did Grady really let Jack out the freezer. There are other possibilities ...
Like this, then watch ... Timeline madness in THE SHINING • Timeline madness in TH...
Danny's ordeal and the bear costumed man • THE SHINING: Danny's o...
Film psychology THE SHINING spatial awareness and set design • Film psychology THE SH...
The hidden children of BLAIR WITCH PROJECT • The hidden children of...
THE THING missing blood bank keys solved • John Carpenter's THE T...
If you are not receiving your notifications from UA-cam for my latest uploads (this has been reported by several of my subscribers) then be sure to visit and bookmark my website then check in weekly. This will ensure you keep up to date with my new releases.
More film analysis at:
WEBSITE: www.collativelearning.com
Support me on Patreon at (for approx an extra 12 hours of content)
PATREON: / robager
And follow me on FB and Twitter
FACEBOOK: / robagerpublic
TWITTER: RobAger?ref_src=t...
RE: DOOR HANDLE DESIGN (PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING, THANKS): Surprisingly a lot of subscribers here who have experience of working in restaurants and the like, and have pointed out the long handle as something they've seen in walk in freezers (I've never even been in a walk in freezer myself). Thanks folks ... Like this, then watch ...
Timeline madness in THE SHINING ua-cam.com/video/CYZYHAX-VZ4/v-deo.html
Danny's ordeal and the bear costumed man ua-cam.com/video/dW2GrG7Zk0U/v-deo.html
Film psychology THE SHINING spatial awareness and set design ua-cam.com/video/0sUIxXCCFWw/v-deo.html
The hidden children of BLAIR WITCH PROJECT ua-cam.com/video/6Wml5sbwvNA/v-deo.html
THE THING missing blood bank keys solved ua-cam.com/video/psxFyMoqbJ8/v-deo.html
It definitely isnt a prop, but given all the attention Jack gives to it, it has to mean something.
First I don't think he went out a side door. If you look in the later shot as jack walks past the now open door you can see that nothing on the wall has been moved out of the way to open the exit. All the boxes are still in place as is the big shelf system with all the food products still in the same place on the shelves that they were when he was locked in. As far as the door handle. I'm from the states and I'm 47. I've been in a few of these kinds of freezers and store rooms throughout my life and they don't exist much now but they were very prevalent during the 70s and 80s. The handle is indeed an emergency opening mechanism. You push the bar and it slides through the door and pushes the bottom handle out and open. But if the pin is put in place it won't work. Plus he'd still have to get the slide lock open on top. I've been left with having to believe it was Grady who opened the door. They are very malevolent spirits and "poltergeisting" lol...the lock open for jack to get out and carry on with their evil plans wouldn't and doesn't surprise me. I love your stuff Rob. Thanks for posting and Merry Christmas.
Yea theyre identical to the doorhandles my dads butcher shop used to have in the freezers.
Collative Learning Rob, did you see the padlock (that requires a key to open) hanging above the slide lock mechanism on the doorframe?? It’s placement in the shot has had me puzzled forever!! Just wondering what your take on this is!! Love your work!!
Thank you for posting another shining video
Kubrick let him out.
Hahhaha best one!
I KNEW IT!!!
Razz Bender: exactly.. Kubrick was more than willing to use supernatural bullshit to "entertain" audiences, but he was, in fact, an atheist, and would have certainly "left an opening" for one of the other "living people" to unlock the door. He was also savvy enough to leave that out of the film, to keep the ghost story alive.. Halloran would have let Jack out, having believed that "the bad guy" locked him in there, so he could have his way with Wendy and Danny... The ax to the chest could easily have followed. This movie, unlike the book, is not about supernatural agency. It is about psychology and mental illness.. People imagine ghosts. They don't really exist.
holy shit i knew it
God forbid Nicholson pushed the handle... That would make too much sense. :l
I think we can probably take this scene at face value. Jack had agreed to comply with the ghosts, so they helped him escape.
Sometimes the best explanation is the simplest one
That's what happened in the book. The bad guy--who may even have been Old Scratch himself--lets him out, and even provides the axe plus a pitcher of Martinis and a jar of olives to put him in the proper festive mood, in return for his promise to kill everybody. I'm recollecting this from over 40 years ago, of course.
I read the book first, and was somewhat disappointed later when I saw the movie; but that's a common feeling. King just doesn't transition to the screen easily: the stories are just too massive and too detailed. One possible exception is "The Stand" (1994) which took an entire four-installment, six-hour miniseries to get most of it in and even then had to leave some important stuff out. The official IMDB "Shining" running time is 2 hours 26 minutes, only about one-third of that, which is just not enough. A lot of plot holes are just left open and a lot of subplots just eliminated..
A good portion of the book is devoted to setting up Jack Nicholson's character in his earlier days, and leaving all this out definitely cramps the movie. Scatman Crothers' and Shelley Duvall's characters aren't completely developed, either; and the ridiculous "Maze" sequence doesn't appear in the book at all. On this one, I have to give King points over Kubrick. There, I said it and I'm glad.
That's not to say that Kubrick was completely without talent: consider "Doctor Strangelove" and "Full Metal Jacket," for instance. I think that with King, he just bit off more than he could chew, or maybe didn't have the resources to do it right.
On a personal note, fortunately one bit from "The Shining" (the book) has endured. My Dad read the book too, and was impressed with the use of the term "Martians" to refer to Martinis. Ever since then when the sun was over the yardarm at our house, you would hear the announcement: "The Martians have landed!" Dad passed in 1993, but the tradition continues at our house even today.
RIP Dad, 1918-1993.
@@williamwingo4740I feel this, I read I Am Legend before I saw the movie and the ending of the book is completely different from the movie, the book is way better
@williamwingo4740 agreed... I'm almost done with the book and one of the things that stood out to me, having watched the movie first, is Torrance in the movie seems to be a bit crazy right off the bat, even driving to the hotel he seems off from what I remember. There's not really any build up to the character becoming the madman he eventually is. In the book, he's a great father (after he gets sober), and it's not until after long build ups we see his wicked temper come out in certain instances, making for a confounding and compelling read. In the movie, there's really none of that character arc. The guy's just off from the start. I believe King had similar issues with the movie as well, if I remember correctly. I understand the story must be heavily condensed in order to fit the movie format, but I do think it could've been much better with the same running time if some key changes were made. Any hoot, I'm rambling by now, ha... Well made film by a great director, but the book is certainly better imo.
@@daltooinewestwood6380 I read "I Am Legend" (Richard Matheson version) in the early 1960's, but missed the Will Smith movie.
There was a Vincent Price movie based on it ("The Last Man on Earth," 1964) but I've seen only snippets of it on TV or UA-cam. Then there was Charlton Heston in "The Omega Man" (1971) which made major alterations to the plot. I saw that one clear through and thought it was passable at the time. 🤠
When Jack accepts the drink from the hotel, he's actually accepting a new reality. He's choosing to believe the hotel can physically interact with him (and so are we). After that, its fair game. The hotel can do as it pleases. If it can manifest alcohol or people or rivers of blood, it can manifest an open door. Danny already believes the hotel can interact with him, because of his knowledge of Tony and a deeper level of reality which also makes him a target of the hotel's power immediately. I don't think its meant to be a mystery, really.
Also, right before the bartender shows up he says "I'd give my goddamn soul for just a glass of beer" - so it's like he's sold his soul and is now 'possessed' by the hotel
The bartender also says. “ you want the truth you can’t handle the truth!”
And jack simply says “go ahead make my day”
Bartender then says “ do ya feel lucky punk! Do ya !?”
Sends chills down my spine
Yeah I've heard Kubrick said that the scene was supposed to convince the audience it was a supernatural story and the ghosts let him out. People are dumb xd
exactly.
@@SEliteGuitarist i didn't think you could watch the movie and not think it was a supernatural story
Actually, I’ve been working different jobs in the food service industry since I was 18, and the “knob-on-a-stick” handle Jack is holding is the standard as far as I’m aware. It’s a push handle so you can get out of the freezer or storeroom if, say, you’re holding a box, so you can just push the box into the handle. Strange that you weren’t able to find it online, though.
Yeah, I am wondering about finishing the video. I had to stop it to read comments because I could not believe that this guy never heard of this inside safety handle and couldn’t find it on the internet. This is pretty standard in every restaurant I’ve ever worked at.
But I thought there was a locking pin, the one Wendy had trouble pulling out and I assumed she put the pin back in the hasp
@@mikerivera7509 I think some do have a locking pin, and I definitely remember Wendy using one in this particular instance.
@@MechaKluhsame
@@MechaKluhu are stupid and old. Most American thing to do, start crying before you watched 2 minutes of the video. He says that it opens the door in the video, and even acknowledges in the comments it’s an emergency release. With that outta the way, how tf could he have gotten out, IF THE FUCKING DOOR WAS BOLTED SHUT ON TWO DIFFERENT LOCKS? So who gives a fuck about the emergency handle, it doesn’t fuckin matter! 😂 Man this is proof why comments on UA-cam are so cancer, because people don’t watch the damn video!
I like The Simpson's theory where Homer Simpson doesn't care about getting out and wants to eat everything in the store room.
@@susiederkins6612 "oh for crying out loud..."
(Classic monsters break in)
"Can't murder now. Eating".
Literally the best episode, I remember homer going crazy is the funniest thing ever!
@@josh90bshadowcommunity74 💯 I don't agree that's its the funniest.....but at the same time I don't disagree
If there are beverage (alcohol will be great) and restroom in that storage house, then I don't see a reason I need to get out😂
Shit, that Tony the Tiger cereal over there actually almost entirely convinced me that Danny did it.
@SS3 Goku I took Tony watching over that argument to mean that Danny has a developing subconscious understanding of the dysfunctions of his family and the increasing threat that Jack poses, and is to some extent aware of the argument(s) via his "imaginary friend".
Danny was Tony during that time. Tony opened the door.
¹
@@Mrpersonman0 Well, excuse me!
As soon as he said Danny did it I was like “nuh-uh no way” and then he began describing it and I was like “oh shit, that’s definitely the most viable theory”
I highly doubt Theory 2. When Jack limps past the open storeroom later, you can clearly see that the shelves in front of the supposed second door and all of their contents are in exactly the same position as before he escaped. In order for that theory to be true, he would have needed to precisely memorise the locations and orientation of everything on the shelves, remove it all (you're not moving full shelving units like that one without lots of stuff falling off), move the shelves out of his way (it doesn't even look like he has enough space to do that), exit, walk around, open the other door, go back in, replace the shelves and carefully place everything back on them exactly as they were originally. All before going on his rampage. Imho, that chain of events is highly unlikely, especially for someone in Jack's mental state.
Jack didn't need to open the second door all the way, which might be impossible given limited floor space, and he wouldn't need to memorize the exact position of all items on the shelves, which might be especially impossible given his inebriated state and head injury.
He could've started pulling items from the center of the bottom shelf and stacked them up on the opposite of the store room, then grabbed the center items on the other shelves moving upwards and stacking them across the room accordingly. This would finish by grabbing/stacking the highest far-left and far-right shelf items before moving the shelves away from the door which could then barely be opened enough for him to squeeze through. Then he could reset everything exactly as it originally was after undoing the deadbolt on the main pantry door.
Why would he go to all that trouble making a stealthy exit in the middle of a murderous rampage while still leaving the door open which clearly shows he escaped? I don't really know.
@@djhenyo He'd open the side door, then he'd open the front door, then he'd place all of the food back in precise order while forgetting that it was him doing it, all to simply convince himself that the ghosts were the ones who did it. Though he could secretly have had a split personality disorder, which could also account for it.
I wonder if those shelves were on wheels? Maybe with wheel locks he could undo? Easier to move but still no explanation of why he rolled them back and opened the main door.
I agree the shelves are untouched so he didn't go out the side door. Also we see the front door is open why would he open the front door if he came out the side door? so either ghost did it or Danny did it to finish Jack off. I think it's ghosts 👻👻👻
I think that's a free-standing shelf unit just like the others and it's not actually against the wall. That it looks so is an optical illusion but a doorway would not be blocked by fixed shelving and for catering purposes, shelving that is ever-changing is more useful cos you can access it from both sides.
The shelf doesn't seem to be as deep as the space between the door and corner as we see it from outside. And we see boxes stacked which add to the illusion but we're only given a very narrow field of vision. It's very possible he used a door behind the shelves without moving anything.
Speaking on the door handles: I used to work a lot of different food service for public schools in rural areas of Midwest USA. The students were taught in buildings built in the 60's and 70's. Almost all of the schools I worked at had door handles and locks exactly like this on pantry, fridge, and freezer sections of the kitchen. The mechanism handle on the inside is primarily built on freezer doors, just in case someone is trapped in. I've been nailed in the gut by these multiple times while working. The amount of freezer/fridge/pantry sections depended on the school. The kitchen sizes depended on the size of the school, the size of the lunch program of said school, and the budget of the town/county/state when the school was built. Some of these air temperature systems were built to last as it costs a lot of money to replace one of these and build a new one. With that all said, we did in fact have two pantries at one school location, and one of them had 3 deadbolt lock systems on its door. The reasoning behind this is that food items of commodity purchase that were used for ala carte menu options and hot lunch additions were kept in here to keep from students and staff from stealing.. Multiple deadbolts/chain lock mechanisms on one door out of a series of doors in food storage for commercial and public environments is not uncommon for this reason. I would expect to see it at any high end restaurant, and in any government institution. So in this movie, I would assume since the hotel is a hot spot destination and caters to the wealthy, Scatman must have like you said caviar, truffles, and other expensive things mixed in with the common ingredients so as to trick any potential thieves. The locks are pretty standard, and would be used in this instance.
As i read urs i was thinking what if, Jack (the lead role) was locked in refrigerator unit by his wife, then it would'v been more convincing plot as respect to the last scene(like he freezes)...right! What do you think🙄
@@Sai-vikrant well, it corresponds to the last theory, there're allusions to the freezing scene in how he's sleeping in that refrigerator, I also thought maybe the part of Danny being chased wasn't even needed and he just died in there.
I worked at a place where the door was so shitty that the handle and lock would always break or freeze up, the emergency feature became the primary method if exit if you didn't prop the door.
In Canada they are mandatory
I also remember doors exactly like the one in the movie from a Boy Scout camp I worked at in the US in the early 1980s. I think the design was common in N. America, but, apparently rare in Liverpool, where Rob is from.
The hotel is alive and let Jack out just as it put him in the picture at the end.
Hungry, hungry seriously haunted hotel...
he's always been in the picture
I don't think that's Jack in the picture. I think it's Jack's father (who was also an abusive alcoholic IIRC reading). And when Grady says, "you've always been the caretaker," I think he means his bloodline, not Jack alone. But, that's just my interpretation.
@@DanielS2001 very interesting
@@DanielS2001 Good idea, more like grandfather, though.
The ghost of Grady opened the door, it's self-explanatory. Kubrick was very clear that this is a pretty simple film whenever he was asked these kinds of questions. As Kubrick, himself, said: back in 1921, the original caretaker of the hotel was taken over by the evil spirits of the place, as it had been built on an Indian burial ground. Because of this "evil" and haunting of the hotel, many deaths have occurred through the decades. The original, evil caretaker has been reincarnating, as Kubrick said, into the people who come to the hotel as the new caretakers - and the ghosts of the hotel help them to carry out their murders - this is exactly why Jack feels like he's "been there before" or has "always been the caretaker" - because the original, evil one has been reincarnated into Jack and the ghosts are helping him. This is directly from Kubrick. Any other "theories" as to what this movie is are just silly extrapolations. Kubrick simply wanted to make a commercial horror film after the failure of "Barry Lyndon". There are no "hidden messages" in the film; and nothing was super-planned in advance in terms of the shots. In fact, the script was being re-written almost on a daily basis, Kubrick had no idea how to even *end* the movie and the actors, *themselves* often came up with much of the dialogue and even physical actions that people seem to think were "hidden messages" by Kubrick. Kubrick was a brilliant filmmaker - but "The Shining" is literally just about a haunted hotel, the family who comes there, the evil spirit of the original caretaker reincarnating into the new caretakers and the ghosts of the hotel helping them to commit murder. Again: Kubrick, himself has said this in more than one interview, as has literally almost *every* member of the production and the actors as well. It's a great horror movie - but that's all it is. Sure, it's fun to pretend there's more than that - but there isn't.
Even in making a simple movie, conceptually, there’s still plenty of room for Kubrick to include something that’s rather clever or “hidden” without compromising the simple concept of the overall plot
That type of door latch is not used in restaurants! Why would you need to use a pin to keep anything from getting out??????? A lock like that is used on Tractor Trailors with a pin and a seal to let everyone know it was not opened, that is it!
That’s fascinating-l had never heard of this theory of the original caretaker reincarnating and every subsequent caretaker being an avatar,an incarnation of him.
Kubrick was a genius but I always found it hard to believe all of the "hidden" secrets in the movie were intentionally put there.
Oh,... Some people like to spoil all the fun!!! 🤣🤣🤣
My son developed the theory that the story is the story up until Jack start typing. from that point on the story is jacks novel and its all fiction inspired living in a big empty hotel.
I had not heard that anywhere else it could explain all the conflicts and continuity stuff. but it does feel to clean. 😀
This would be a version like the Coen Brothers film "Barton Fink" where a scriptwriter goes insane in a Hollywood hotel. The story goes surreal when he watches water drop down a sink drain, a reference to the last scene in their film "Blood Simple" where a villain dies on azbathroom floor as he watches a drop of leaking water fall on his face. I never related "Barton Fink" to "The Shining" but this theory makes me think the Coens were doing a Kubrick homage. Probably other more dedicated viewers realized this long ago.
That's how it could have reEEAally happened, when thinking of the movie as a 'true story', as opposed to just a movie that sticks with you, yeah? (`The metaphysical 'You')
Yes. King said THE SHINING is less about a haunted hotel as it is about a haunted marriage. The movie is truly disturbing. No other movie I've seen ever really bothered me.
That would explain the typewriter change.
I don’t like theories like that. You know the “dream theories” because they feel a bit boring. It’s so easy to say “oh the whole thing was just made up or inside a dream.” You don’t add any meaning into the story and in fact kinda cheapens everything that happens.
If I remember correctly, Moe the bartender and a bunch of ghouls dragged him out of the cold storage room, oh wait...
now waste your family and I'll give you a beer!
@@cooldood1025 Can't murder now. Eating.
No TV and no beer makes Homer something something
Go crazy?
Don’t mind if I do!
"Sears catalog" "I don't deserve this shabby treatment"
“You’ve got the shinning” “You mean the Shining” “SSH! You wanna get suED?”
"I've never heard of a maze that has lights on the inside". How many mazes have you even heard of?
How are people supposed to get lost in a maze without lights to guide them?
Aiden Macleod that’s funny, and confusing. This comment is very confusing
@@gabeitch9142 indeed
Never heard of a maze, outside of childhood.
@@dantyler6907 you haven't heard of mazes for adults, despite seeing a filming featuring a hedge maze, which clearly isn't a children's activity? 🤔
Well, I feel the ghosts had a part in driving Jack to kill his family. They were definitely there, and I think played an important part in the story. I don’t think they were just an indication of Jack going insane, but a cause for him going insane and attempting to kill his family. So, they probably let him out. They gave him a little push because they didn’t realize how strong his wife could be.
ua-cam.com/video/gDQcT36tLeg/v-deo.html&ab_channel=WowLynchWow%21
Gordon Stainforth
prije 1 godinu
This is one of the best analyses of the movie I've ever seen, and strangely enough (or perhaps, not so strangely) how I saw it while I was working with Kubrick on it during the editing. NOT that we ever discussed it! Such was his nature. So much done by suggestion. At the end of the day, the movie can best be described as totally ambiguous: it can be read equally easily either way - Kubrick still leaves in just enough apparently 'supernatural' visions to satisfy the gullible who like to believe in ghosts. This total ambiguity is what makes the film so clever ... and I was working with him the night he cut out a shot of Grady actually opening the larder door (I was the one who actually had to cut it out). So all we were left with then was the sound of the door being unlocked. I remember going home very late that night thinking, that is brilliant. The last element of non-ambiguity gone.
In the book, yes, but not in Kubricks movie, he was already snapped and going crazy, it was the bourbon scene when that switch was flipped in his head. It seems like in this movie, they want you to think the Ghosts are all just part of his broken psyche but in the original story, the ghosts are the main point of the story which is why it comes from the childs perspective and not Jacks...
@@ravinraven6913 watch the sequel movie doctor sleep and you will see that the same holds true in the movies. Also have you read the book? It takes the perspective of all of the torrences at different times and even dick for a bit
@@earthbounder8329Doctor Sleep has nothing to do with Stanley Kubrick's cinematic masterpiece.
The inside knob is actually a safety thing, it pushes in to push the exterior handle out. We have them in the dairy cooler, produce cooler, meat cooler, and the freezer at the grocery store i work at. Though ours are much shorter. Its to make sure nobody get accidentally trapped inside. I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, that it is required by law to have it or something similar.
That storeroom door would not have had a lock on it like that. No reason for a lock if you are not going to put a real lock on the door! Besides, such a lock would have been illegal in the USA. They only put a door mechanism like that on walk-in refrigerators and even then, there is no lock, as it would be a safety issue and in American kitchens there is an opener on the inside. I knew that when I saw this movie in the theater!
Hey, it's the Lockpicking Lawyer here, now this here's an interesting lock...
Click on one, two is binding....
UNDERRATED COMMENT
IT WAS HIM!
@@chaosinfyrno aaaand were in
“So as you can see, this freezer door provides laughably poor protection from lock-picking ghosts and snack thieves.”
"A story of the supernatural cannot be taken apart and analysed too closely. The ultimate test of its rationale is whether it is good enough to raise the hairs on the back of your neck. If you submit it to a completely logical and detailed analysis it will eventually appear absurd."--Stanley Kubrick while discussing _The Shining._
@Ironclaw XII yet you still clicked on the video...
Ironclaw XII idk about you but I’ve never clicked on one of hitlers youtube videos
Ironclaw XII Jesus man you are freaking out right now.
@@liz_is_online Why wouldn't you click on a video to hear other arguments about something you're interested in? Is that what you do--don't hear challenges to your personal beliefs?
@@xzayneappel9105 I have. HItler's speeches are interesting in many ways. His speech patterns and mannerisms can be quite fascinating. You might say he shined the way the hotel shined.
I know you might not see this soon, but I thought I might let you know that with the door's emergency open push button that's on the inside. I forget what it's called. Any way very old freezers use to have this, and you had to hit that thing really hard to get it to open the door. That may be why they put the sliding lock on the door because it was so old. I'm an old lady and worked at a store that had this when I was a teenager. Yes, it was a long time ago. I enjoy your videos very much. Thank you.
my brother accidentally shut me in an industrial freezer at work once and the push button release was jammed. I thought I was gonna die lol
That type of door latch is not used in restaurants! Why would you need to use a pin to keep anything from getting out??????? A lock like that is used on Tractor Trailors with a pin and a seal to let everyone know it was not opened, that is it!
I was talking about very old freezers that have these. Like 50-75 years ago. I don't think any are around anymore. I'm in my 70's thats why I remember these.@@iamgermane
@@UtahGmaw99 Ya I saw a report tonight on some Arby's manager freezing to the floor in one because that plunger door opener on the inside did not work. She froze to death. Apparently 60 people die a year in them. Jack was not in a freezer, just a store room, so don't know why they would have that type of door on it at all.
Oh thats sad. That poor girl.@@iamgermane
The last one is an interesting theory. One could argue that Tony is protecting Danny and set Jack free for this purpose. Remember that Danny is not all there; he's been in a fugue state since he emerged into that big state room when Wendy accuses Jack of abusing Danny. So Tony has taken over. Tony is not a little kid. Tony knows what kind of man Jack is.
So Tony took over Danny for as long as needed until he had killed Jack. Then set things back to normal.
On a similar note: how did Danny get injured when he wandered into the state room with his thumb in his mouth? Did Jack do it? Did Danny do it to himself? Something supernatural? Have you done a video on this?
video uploader thinks it's heavily implied that Jack and/or supernatural entities abused Danny in the hotel, possibly sexually.
@@innocuousmerchant8766the SA theory is a huge reach. I don’t buy it.
@@innocuousmerchant8766where is the evidence that there was any SA?
In the book it’s implied that the naked woman in the tub choked him
@@BandlerChing I mean, the bear giving fellatio, the article of the playgirl magazine, Jack and Danny's scene in their hotel room... I think there's a lot of supporting evidence for it, honestly.
If the “ghosts” can physically harm Danny. Im sure they could open a door
Jack was the one who hurt him again in Kubrick's version
Exactly
The entities all seem pretty material and interact normally with solid objects.
@@simonaatkinson5646 I agree
@@wookiejesusofnazarethkashy1940 She went kinda insane at the end, when she thinks Jack is searching for Danny...
The problem with the theory of the second door is that, when Jack passes again in front of the door, the shelfs that were in front of the hidden door are in place. I don't think Jack, in a maniac rampage, would be dilligent to the point of escaping and putting the shelf back in place.
maybe he just carefully removed the items, reached through, unlatched the handle.and crawled through the shelves? not wanting to be billed for any damaged property.
@@NewEnglandDirtRoadie nothing on the shelves is disturbed. It looks the same as when he was in the store room.
@@NewEnglandDirtRoadie Dude was out to kill his family with an axe...very much doubt he put much thought into being billed for damaged property.
@@scottsharp1965 replaced items so as not to incur service charge for re-stocking?
And just like Rob said, the main door is open and we hear it open.
“Unusual protruding door handle” dude pretty much every walk in freezer has one of those including where I work
This may be a bit of a stretch. If you accept the scene as representational rather than literal, maybe the store room is Jack's subconscious. Grady and Jack are mirror images of each other. Grady is Jack, and Jack is Grady. Or rather, Grady is Jack's inner self, and Jack is Jack's outer self. The conversation between the two is an internal struggle of Jack but is portrayed as a conversation between Jack and Grady.
Moreover, the mirroring makes it so, at some point, the two are interchangeable in this scene, and perhaps Jack is not physically inside the storeroom. What is locked in there, then? Maybe it's his suppressed violent and abusive nature (Grady), which Wendy was complicit in hiding (representing her denial of Jack's abuse of Danny). The conversation scene between Grady and Jack is merely symbolic of his internal dialogue and never intended to be interpreted as taking place in a real, physical space. The unlocking of the store room is Jack "letting out the Grady within."
One final connection about this as a metaphor for Jack's subconscious is the red book on the Hotel Manager's desk (the guy who kind of resembles JFK) at the beginning of the movie. There is a book of Carl Jung's writings on the subconscious called The Red Book which might be the one on the desk, at least according to the documentary Room 237. The Library of Congress' entry regarding the book states, "Jung described the process that led to the creation of the Red Book as 'my most difficult experiment.' He was referring to his sustained response to a series of “assaults” from his unconscious that he feared might overwhelm him."
Again, probably a really big stretch, but I think it fits better than looking for a physical, literal, or supernatural explanation of how he got out. That the unconscious is considered a storeroom maybe adds a bit more credibility to my fledgling theory.
That storeroom door would not have had a lock on it like that. No reason for a lock if you are not going to put a real lock on the door! Besides, such a lock would have been illegal in the USA. They only put a door mechanism like that on walk-in refrigerators and even then, there is no lock, as it would be a safety issue and in American kitchens there is an opener on the inside. I knew that when I saw this movie in the theater!
Moe and the Ghouls dragged him out
Brilliant
"Can't murder now. Eating."
“Me and the Ghouls have been talking”
Thank God(Surprisingly So) to Disney for adding ALL the episodes of 'The Simpsons' to Disney+... It literally makes it worth the $6.99 or whatever it is. Now make sure you use that "Shinning" of yours if you come across any trouble with this comment.
THEORY SIX - Kubrick is so obsessed with camera angles, framing and lighting that he forgets to get someone else to check continuity.
That doesn't sound like kubrick. The man was obsessive about every detail.
@@tonyjohnson3717 Maybe he forget about some things, eh???? Seems some continuity detal was flawed, so either it was deliberate or Kubrick just fucked up, eh???
@@stmounts what continuity did he fuck up exactly?
Seriously. People are so quick to kiss Kubricks butt that they would assume a boom mic popping in and out of frame was some brilliant statement on the american political situation.
Dont know why people dont use their brains ......kubrick was also obsessed whit story details . and thats the point of of shining . It is not going to be clear for audience. Its a thriller psychological horror . and because of that this scene is remembered and alive today .
“There is no evidence of tele-conscienceless ” and the movie is named after an ability where people can talk through their minds.
I always look at the events in the movie based solely on Hallorann’s explanation of shining to Danny. He says some places can “shine” as well as some people. To me, the hotel can shine and does so with people who can also shine. That Hallorann’s grandmother could shine would indicate that the ability is hereditary. He also says that some people are unaware of their ability to shine. I believe that Danny is more aware of this ability, and it manifests with Tony. Jack and Wendy can also shine, but are unaware of it. This theory could explain that Jack is able to unconsciously tell Danny or Wendy to open the door, like Danny is able to unconsciously ask for Hallorann’s help from across the country.
That type of door latch is not used in restaurants! Why would you need to use a pin to keep anything from getting out??????? A lock like that is used on Tractor Trailors with a pin and a seal to let everyone know it was not opened, that is it!
"I'm still fooling them"... Stanley Kubrick
Haha, yes, classic quote of his ... fooling who??????
Stanley Post Jack is placed on the wall for continuing to overlook the maze 🇺🇸 from the overlook hotel. Changing the laws of the maze from his typewriter. This gives him the supernatural ability to operate outside the mazes system. Jack is never seen inside the maze. And freezes to death when he finds himself stuck within the cold dark reality of the maze. Unable to retrace his steps, backtrack from the ills of the past and find the exit from the artificial man-made snow he had planted. Hence why he’s asleep on top of the salt bags of snow. He’s asleep and disconnected to the reality of the maze system created from his (Nazi) typewriter. He cannot walk in the shoes of those within the maze.
@@trevorjonathan4405 Can you stop copy-pasting that crap everywhere?!!!
Mike Spearwood Vivian Kubrick: “Stanley would always say never go near anyone with real power, it’s dangerous” ala blackmail Epstein. The overlook hotel overlooks 🇺🇸 Jack tuses a Nazi typewriter (Operation Paperclip) and grows insane. Symbolising the mundanity of bureaucracy. This responsibility gives him supernatural powers in the hotel itself. He never enters the maze during his stay as caretaker.
@@trevorjonathan4405 Well he didn't like hanging around with Hollywood jews, and chose to go live in the UK, and film his movies there predominantly.
I always found it strange that Danny gives away his hiding spot and runs away before Jack passes him. I like the roadrunner thing & what a smart kid Danny was doing the covering your tracks thing
I never noticed that Jack in the old hag bathroom scene does the exact same thing too. And Rob has a video about how in that scene the old hag is actually Jack and Danny is actually Jack. So it's even more perfect.
Idk if it’s just me, having grown up with snow, but any idiot knows about going over your own tracks. Also, it’s very easy to tell which tracks are twice walked and very difficult to do
I believe that Danny was just afraid that if he got caught in that tight space by Jack, he was screwed. He made a run for it while he had the chance. Also, he made quite a loud noise when shifting the pots and pans aside so he was thinking, maybe Jack heard that and would figure it out.
@@couchpotato3197 What video is that, I'd like to watch it
@@caitlinroseblaney226 it was called something like Jack Torrence The Abusive Father. I'm not sure but I think it's one you have to buy on robs collative learning site. It might be in his shining videos here idk. Try this it his site.
ua-cam.com/video/dW2GrG7Zk0U/v-deo.html
He was released from the (storage) by the evil spirits when Jack's soul surrendered to them. He was worn down and left his vessel for the evil to take full control. He was unaware of the process that had been taking place. Fatigued, into a dreamlike state, he slowly allowed the evil to steer his ship.
There are zero ghosts, spirits, ghouls and goblins in The Shining. None. Zip. Nada. Only living humans and their respective hallucinations. Figure it out from there.
@@morpheus6749 dude you are a huge moron.
@@morpheus6749 A theory for which you have zero proof. The entire reason this video and these threads exist is that it was left up to interpretation. If Kubrick really wanted to nail home the point that "none of this was ghosts" then he would have shown HOW the door was opened. The reason most horror is scary is because of the unknown. We literally have no way of knowing and your assumption is arrogant.
@@salvagebot1592 You're the product of a couple of dipshits who couldn't figure out how to work a condom. It's the only reason you exist.
@@galaga00 I'm presenting the null hypothesis. I don't need to prove a thing. The burden of proof is on *you* for the extraordinary claims that 1) ghosts exist and 2) Kubrick is in fact invoking ghosts in this film.
Handle is very common in walk in freezers and coolers. My grandmother even had the same door on her cooler at her flower shop. As a cook at multiple restaurants in my 20s, this was common for the walk ins as well.
Apparently people think getting locked one-way in a pantry or freezer is a normal thing.
This is an interesting video, but it got me thinking... Kubrick is so well respected among the film community, but he was still human. If he ever did make a genuine continuity error in one of his movies, would we even realize that, or would we just keep looking for the hidden meaning of it all?
No doubt he had some real continuity errors. The helicopter shadow on the mountains at the start I consider an error.
Kubrick never makes mistakes.
@@jimbobernstein2694 is the shadow so much an "error", or just a function of not having digital post-processing editing, and having no other way of getting the shot?
or maybe its an indication that something else is following them up to the hotel?
Kubrick made fewer mistakes than his competitors, but I don't buy the infallibility argument.
Storyograph SOLVED. Jack is placed on the wall for continuing to overlook the maze 🇺🇸 from the overlook hotel. Altering the laws of the maze from his typewriter. This gives him the supernatural ability to operate outside the maze system. Jack is never seen inside the maze. And freezes to death when he finds himself stuck within the cold dark reality of the maze. Unable to retrace his steps, backtrack from the ghosts of the past and find the exit from the artificial man-made snow he had planted. Hence why he’s asleep on top of the salt bags of snow. He’s asleep to the reality of the maze system created from his (Nazi) typewriter. He cannot walk in the shoes of those within the maze. Danny is conscious as he sees the bloodied twin ghosts and exit sign before it’s too late! Jack never sees any dead bodies and only sees ghosts that reflects himself! Seduced by the ghosts of the past. Jack only sees ghosts that reflects himself! The scene where he makes out with rotting ghost corpse (Danny’s abuse) is when he sees the belly of the beast and knowingly transforms into Baphomet/The Minotaur.
"It isn't really until the [storage room door] bolt is opened that you're absolutely certain that it isn't a product of imagination. Because he couldn't open the bolt." - Kubrick, '80
The Man speaks.
I’d say he was the authority.
This was in reference to the novel though, right? A psychological interpretation is still salvageable through Danny.
@@chaosmos24 Wendy sees ghosts several times near the end of the film as well; a lot of people seem to forget this when they make the argument that it's all in Jack and Danny's minds.
I recall King stating that there are only three moments when the ghosts within the hotel actually are able to do something physically. One is when the door opened
I like the idea that Jack found the second store room door, moved all the food out of the way, got out, chased Wendy, then wandered back into the store room and put everything back in place perfectly, grabbed a murder snack, and continued the chase.
He IS the hotel caretaker.
I think the Danny opening the door -alternative is the best. By no means is Danny wanting or at his age being even able to kill his father. The choice to let his father out, come hell or high water, stems from the sheer desolation of the fact that a small child loves both of his parents, no matter how abused he or she is.
The protruding door handle is a common safety feature of freezers (in the U.S. at least)
Looks like you beat me to it.
It's mandatory in the USA I believe. Walk in freezers that lock on the outside are like sub zero coffins.
The protruding door handle could also be a phallic symbol due to Jack's mid-life crisis. Maybe it's a euphemism for penis inadequacy?
@@chevken1831 ffs
these freezers are not even meant to have locks on them are they
The Roadrunner comparison is awesome! I’ve seen a whole ton of theories and reviews and discussions about The Shining, and this is the first time I’ve seen or heard anyone bring up that comparison! Fantastic!
Yeah, that's a new twist that I've never seen anyone else mention. And the fact that Danny climbs out of that cabinet and apparently leads Jack into the maze, which he clearly already knows the layout of... perfect.
And that the end of the movie references the very beginning when the viewer assumes nothing is really happening yet. First time I've ever heard of this too, and definitely intentional. After hearing this I'll never be convinced otherwise.
I also thought that the maze being a metaphor for simply locking him in the freezer was an interesting idea.
I find the maze as a metaphor for freezer theory a little elaborate, but somebody must also hae picked up on the Roadrunner comparison because someone comically made a video of the maze chase with the Roadrunner theme playing over it.
Yes, agreed. There is the line from the song: "Roadrunner, if he catches you, you're through". LOL!!! Danny would have understood this horror from a child's perspective. Very cool interpretation...
I doubt many people will have heard of the roadrunner comparison because usually when characters watch TV in shows, especially if what they're watching isn't actually shown on screen, it's usually inconsequential to the story.
That handle is the key if you get locked in the cooler.It’s happened to me, I couldn’t find the safety key and got locked in for almost an hour. It was pretty scary, especially when no one could hear me over the background noise of the store I worked at! Finally someone came looking for me thank god.
you could say it was chilling, heh
um....yea thats how walk ins work....but you clearly forgot the DEAD BOLT which can't be opened by the button lever inside so thats not an option here
@@ravinraven6913 true lol. There was definitely not a dead bolt on the one at work
@@ravinraven6913 The deadbolt is the oddest part about the entire design though... why would you want to lock something INSIDE a storage room?
@@thejot I work in a restaurant. We have locks on all walk in refrigerators, walk in freezers and store rooms. They are locked at the end of the night to discourage employee theft. Also if the main building/kitchen is broken into after hours, the thieves cannot get access to those areas. If you go back and look in the movie, there is a lock hanging above the deadbolt
The push handle on the inside is not an “emergency” latch. It’s nothing more than a handle that can be pushed by using any part of your body while carrying something. If exterior handle has a locking pin in it, this handle will not open it. It’s very common.
It was hinted in Doctor Sleep that Jack Torrance also had The Shining, but he kept it under control by his alcoholism, much like how Dan Torrance also did it. Perhaps, Jack had The Shining after all, but it wasn't as pure as Danny's. But from what I remembered, the Hotel didn't just want Danny, but Jack as well, though it wasn't a priority.
whats the shining? the ability to communicate with ghosts and people over thousands of miles? I think as King said, Jack is the hotel, he is the evil spirit living there, Kubrick said he was continuously reborn so he can die as the care taker, so I think all the care takers kids had the shining, and that even Danny is being reincarnated. So each time, the caretaker died because his kid so his anger and rage grew over the years.
Though I didn't know this story had a proper ending with Doctor Sleep, guess I gotta check it out now, I remember it coming out but just sounded stupid, King wasn't the best at his book names, and was it actually by him or a ghost writer that king is famous for using?
@@ravinraven6913 the Shining is a psychic ability. It's not limited to just being usable between two people who have it. Danny can use it to look into anyone's mind (though Dick does say that everyone has at least a little bit of Shine). That's what got Danny the nickname Doctor Sleep in the sequel. I haven't watched it, but I've read the book, so I can only speak on the content there. Dan works in basically hospice care and goes to people on death's door to calm their spirits and potentially communicate with their dead loved ones as they pass. So, "Doctor Sleep" because he just.. puts them to sleep. It's a pretty solid book, even if it does get a bit looney, but that's Stephen King for you.
Not a Kubrick film or his vision/narrative. Some people have a theory that we are partially seeing scenes that are really what jack is writing. Of course the "no work" scene makes us not think this in the first place, but we could consider that to be part of his story.
@@ravinraven6913 ? Have you never read the book?
In "The Shining" (book), Dick says he sees something in Jack. Something far darker and more sinister. He went inside there when they first met but immediately got out.
King never went into detail what was inside Jack. I was hoping Jack would have some negative force of the shine.
Telepathy = mind READING.
TELEKINESIS = kinetic movement via thought.
Just wanted to clear that up
"well ackstually"
And who was confused Dash Crow?
telepathy has a pretty general definition, communicating or sharing ideas via thought. it's not mind reading, it's more like shining. The reason why Rob doesn't buy the idea that Jack shined the door open is specifically because telepathy =/= telekinesis.
@16:12 Television
Danny's ball is an example of this..
I believe the story is absolutely intended to be supernatural for one very strong reason. Jack's son didn't just go crazy along with the family. He witnessed twin girls. He was not privy to the story of the twin daughters being axed 10 years prior. So, odds are they were the very real ghosts of the slayed children. But, interesting theory with the release handle in the escape room. I always assumed the ghost had unlocked it. Perhaps, he helped him. Or talked him through it. Or, not. But Danny boy, never heard of the slaying of the twins. And, it must have been a very real apparition. So, we can assume from there, the rest that happened was supernatural. I mean, the story already shows very real telepathy, aka shining. There is no need to doubt it with these couple of facts. But, it is certainly fun to dive into it.
I have always assumed Grady let him out because they were having a conversation thru the pantry door when Grady more or less scolded Jack for his failure to "handle business", and Jack promised Grady that as soon as he gets out of there he would, and then there's the distinct sound of the door being unlocked and opened.
That’s the interpretation most people walk away with, some think there are no ghosts in the shining.
@@thebigragu9952 definitely was ghost in there the old woman who unalive herself in the tub was one of them but the others definitely could’ve been apparition from the hotel
@@roxasbaker no the hag in 237 is not ‘definitely’ a ghost. There’s nothing in the film to suggest she killed herself in the bathtub, or that she’s the woman who killed young men in the shining novel. The book is a completely different story and can’t be used as evidence for the film.
A lot of people think she’s a manifestation of Jack’s sexual frustration. Others take it as evidence that Jack is abusing Danny. Either way there is no definitive explanation.
@@thebigragu9952 in the film version she’s mrs massey who was married to a lawyer cheated on him by messing with younger men took one to the overlook and he left her so she took pills and drinked alcohol til she drown in the tub
@@thebigragu9952 in the book it wasn’t 237 it was 217
There is an interview with Kubrick in which he states the moment when Jack is let out is when you as the audience realize its not just in his head and that there is something supernatural afoot.
I would argue that you actually realise this earlier when Danny sees the twins - there's no way Jack or Wendy would have told him about them being killed, which means he can't have just been scaring himself by thinking about them. But I'm glad to hear Kubrick say the film was supernatural.
Yeah but even so, the scenes with the wife and son make no sense whatsoever.
@Al_5 When they are in the car, Danny told Wendy he knows about canibals because he saw it in the tv, and that´s a lie, Jack told him. Jack Abuse Danny many times, that´s why when he was hurt, told Wendy it was by a girl in the room 237, even jack didn´t understood when Wendy told him...Wendy doesn´t want to believe Jack it´s an abuser even then.
When Kubrick was talking in the interview, he was saying that the door is the only thing that can´t be explained by a simple allucination, not that ghost where involved.
Kubrick was reffering to the novel with that statemt, not his film
At the circle K
Wendy was under extreme stress. Forgive her for blanking over locks 😅
Out of her being scared of her Gore she may have misstep something and didn't lock the door all the way
There’s no forgiveness for some one who says “pink and gold are my favourite colours”.
@@filmmakerdanielclements Why? Pink and gold are nice colors
@@eileensnow6153 they are obviously colors of the occult
Jack tried multiple times to get out. The door was locked. The ghost let him out. There is no other explanation.
If you listen to the commentary they plainly state that the bartender let him out. The bartender is also Mr. Grady, the ghost of the previous caretaker of the hotel, who murdered his entire family including the two little girls in the hallway with the hatchet. Grady has been pushing Jack during the entire film, pushing him down deeper into his spiral toward Insanity in order to condition Jack for the hotels biddings, necessary to satisfy its bloodlust.
The commentary isn't giving out theories, right?
Grady is a waiter. Lloyd is the bartender. To say that Grady has been pushing Jack “the entire film” is a bit batty though, as Grady only appears in one scene, and speaks in two scenes.
Grado had a axe slice in his head while shelly was running also
Toney the tiger, the salt and maze parallels, the 2nd obstructed door all have enough credit/evidence to suggest they are actual possibilities. So much so that it’s probably more likely Kubrick put them all in there knowingly as it doesn’t matter how he got out. You can believe whichever you like but the outcome is the same. The overlook is still supernatural in some capacity, Jack has gone crazy, Danny has the Shining and nothing you see on screen at any point is guaranteed to be what’s actually happening.
The way Wendy is bad at opening locked doors could be a symbolic representation of how she is locked in this relationship with Jack. She’s clearly very naive and passive, he undoubtedly manipulated her into the life she has now. She can’t unlock doors... she can’t leave him...
That’s a very good point
👍
She could also just be a woman
@@chainyrabbit what does that even mean?
@nurailidepaepe2783 The type of genitals one has dictates the ability to open locked doors
I finally have something to contribute. Those round handles are pretty standard in walk in freezers/refrigerators. I've worked in pizza shops, mexican restaurants, and countless other food businesses. Nothing special about that except for the extra length. Maybe Kubrick wanted to make the shot more aesthetically pleasing?
@@orlandopockets6372: The panic bars I've seen are defeated by a pin such as the one on the chain.
I worked in restaurants as a kid & never understood that. I also didn't go in there when any pranksters were around. One did have a long-hasp lock instead of the pin. When I went into that one, I took the lock in with me.
Orlando Pockets And yet that drunk girl managed to lock herself in the freezer at a hotel and die
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Well, she was drunk inside a freezer. The lights were probably off, and if she had never seen one of those knobs/buttons, she might not realize how it worked (like the video maker, who didn't know either).
Also, if the freezer is really cold, the bar that's attached to the button sometimes freezes over. It usually only takes a hit or two to un-jam it, but it can happen.
Yeah I think I've seen some like that when I worked at restaurants to
Kubrick showed Jack pressing on the safety release to emphasize that he could not free himself. The extra slide lock on the outside which is obviously not connected to the safety release is also shown in detail to show that Jack can only be freed by someone from the outside. He is freed by a ghost.
Awesome vid Rob.
*Lighting guy has a bowl of cereal that he found on set and then forgets it*
TONY'S WATCHING
I hadn't caught that connection between Jack walking backwards after being in room 237 and Danny's maze trick. It seems obvious now.
The roadrunner stuff seems obvious to me now too but I never got it either.
Just coming across all your work on this. The Shining and Kubrick movies in general are my favorite because of the layering of meaning. Well done, I love your analysis and it has made re-watching these movies, which I do annually at least, much more of a rich experience.
My problem with Danny unlocking it, is the sliding lock was too far up for him to reach. He would have had to pull a chair, which we don’t hear (even though we hear it unlock).
Grady did it, or it was just the hotel itself.
“Ya best start believing in ghost stories, Miss Swan...”
...You're in one."
This is my moment in all of the pirates of the Caribbean movies.
Man I love those films. The original trilogy as it were, the rest can burn.
My favourite scene is probably Cutler Becket's death. The music, him mute in schock just walking down the staircase as it shatters behind him, and then finally engulfed in flames as his ship is blown apart.
Then his body hits the flag in the water.
he look-a like-a man.
theory 5 actually makes a lot of sense.
danny is smart, and knows that his dad will inevitably get out of the storeroom (his mother will have occasional conversations with him, and will eventually believe that his psychosis has faded, and let him out out of love), so he let's him out first and jebaits him into the freezer.
Yes, either that or the variation that Danny knows of this side door (given it exists) and knows his father will eventually find it. Therefore having to act quickly and taking the risk to trap him in the maze.
But does that variation explain how the main door became unlocked?
also Danny isn't really taking a risk with the maze plan. it's literally his only option. what else could he do?
@@Kaydin66 Danny unlocks the main door and lures Jack into the maze because he knows Jack will eventually get out of the room through either:
a.) The side door
b.) His wife's help
I think both are possible, but believe the side door story to be slightly more likely given that the room was full of food (and maybe drinks*). This may ensure no drastic decisions about Jack's survival have to be made within a couple of days. His wife would be insane to risk the possibility of him killing them before getting any help of the police. Even if it would take days to arrive. Then again, Danny may think she would because she doesn't want him to go to jail despite everything.
Alternatively, getting help might be impossible, given Jack destroyed everything. If there is no other way of getting food, then the question becomes who will starve first. Another reason to lure him to the maze. It is unsure Danny knows Dick Halloran is coming to check upon them. Even if he did, his mother probably would not believe him because he would have to convince her he spoke to him by way of "shining".
*If no drinks are in there, b becomes more likely.
danny doesn't know halloran is coming (the shining isn't telepathy. they both just had an experience. he had a hunch it had something to do with danny).
they are not just under the snow for days, but weeks. it is an inevitability that she will let jack out (and his shining-exacerbated psychosis isn't going away anytime soon, even if it sinks beneath the surface).
i think the side door thing is a continuity error (or whatever you want to call it). danny intentionally let his father out of the freezer (through the one main exit) to lure him into the labyrinth. for me, that is an integral aspect to the entire film (danny chose to begin the end).
kubrick was brilliant but almost too obsessive. his meticulousness lead to strange products (such as the second door being visible in the film). i could be wrong. who knows with this director.
is he tall enough to unlock the top lock? also why would he let his dad out of a freezer to freeze him outside if hes already in a freezer?
theory 5. I'll add a bit to it; Halloran never returned to the Overlook. We saw him die in his bed watching tv. Everything after that is Danny's wish fulfillment dream of Halloran coming to rescue him. When Jack kills Halloran it is once again symbolic. Danny is on his own and can't rely on anyone to save him, so he must save himself.
But Halloran had to go back to the Overlook in order for the second snow cat to be there for Danny and Wendy to escape in.
@@wjgreer part of Danny's fantasy; the Snow Cat was never touched. Remember, Danny didn't witness the Snow Cat, Wendy did.
I never did understand why folks are so convinced that the Shining is not a ghost movie. It can still be a ghost movie and a study of other themes.
the “second entrance” to the maze is most likely the exit
The main door jack was leaning against is wide open in a later shot, indicating that's the dooor he, somehow, got out of. Also, in the same shot, the shelves in front of the supposed second door are perfectly fine. You would have to knock them down to get through a second door behind them
@@georgekosko5124 Exactly. So he moved a shelf weighing several hundred pounds, got through the door, went back in through the main door and put the self back up will all the food on it? You are exactly right to say that is not what happened and Kubrick wanted us to see that it wasn't it. The only reason for a scene where Jack walks back in front of the storage room is to show the door open and the room not tampered with.
I think we can rule out two theories: Jack used an ax to chop his way out, or Jack used a second door. Why? Because when we see him pass the pantry later while chasing Danny the door is standing open. There are no ax marks, and the shelves are still in front of the second door. I really enjoyed this video, but I think ghosts (Grady) let him out. Plain and simple.
or like he just remembered how to use the safety handle from his past life memories. he apparently knew the hotel's details right?
There’s only 2 theories that make sense and fit the scenes: Ghost or Danny let him out. I’m now musing with the idea of Danny, especially with the cereal box in the scene and his cleverness in tricking his father in the maze.
ally ally: the nut in the chain makes it impossible for him to get out by himself even with the safety release from inside. It seems Kubrick wants us to know that he was let out by someone or something.
@@zannahhannaz6857 maybe the hotel was alive and constantly changing, explaining the impossible window too
@Michealmetzger I agree!!..(cause think about it even if the that safety knob opens the the door then i doubt it would unlock the 2nd part which has the latch) which I'm Definitely sure Wendy used both to lock Jack in!..if a person went into that storage by themselves..then it makes sense the safety lock would work then..But think back to when Grady unlocks..if u listen it takes a while for that to happen..& that's because Wendy used All the locks on it! So there was no way Jack could have let himself out!..the only other option would would be Danny let him out but if u think about it..i dont think Danny would've been tall enough to unlock that 2nd lock!?
15:50 I only noticed this myself for the first time today, the reason Jack goes to look for Danny where he does is because Danny let out a scream when Hallorann was murdered - all the other times Danny does the scream-face thing there's no screaming sound, except that one time. Thats also why Jack has that crazy grin after the murder, because he knew Danny was close and had a generall idea where to look.
I wondered about the long freezer handle for a while, but I actually started working at a restaurant that has a similar long protruding handle on the inside of the cooler/freezer walk-ins. You just push it forwards, and it shoves the latch handle into the "open" position. These days I think the long handle is actually just something that became unfamiliar to most people as time went on.
So could Jack have surpassed the deadbolt with the safety release?
There's nothing special about the cooler handle. Every cooler handle is like that.
It's supposed to be a pantry...not a cooler. And in fact it's neither. It's a set Kubrick had built at Ellstree Studios in England in 1978/79.
I've worked in many kitchens and seen decommissioned coolrooms used as pantries and even offices, that's definitely a coolroom. Why would they purposely build a pantry and then put a massive coolroom door on it?
@@wilksb1894 I too have worked in a restaurant, and delicatessens, I have never worked on a film set. What was the last film set in England that you worked on? As for calling it a pantry, I say pantry because none of the food on the set shelves are perishable, so I think it safe to say the set is supposed to be a pantry and it was fil;led with props. For instance people don't store salt in a freezer but burlap bags can be filled with anything and these props can be used to show Nicholson's character falling asleep. In Stephen King's novel the room where Danny and Wendy locked Jack up is called a pantry.
Kubrick was a great film director, he was not running a hotel...he was directing a movie and he commissioned a set built, not a working kitchen.
@@lizsmith9873 Liz Smith I haven't worked on a film set, but I have worked in maybe 2 dozen kitchens in the UK, US and Australia.
Kubrick was known to storyboard in his earlier films, so I think it's safe to assume that how the set appears here was similarly designed by him in a meticulous manner. Plus, the set is supposed to represent a location in the US, so I'm not exactly sure how it is relevant that the set was constructed in the UK, when it was constructed to represent a kitchen which is in the US, namely Colorado. And what is in the book is also irrelevant, there are many instances in the film where Kubrick took creative liberties in recontextualising.
But I think you've misunderstood what my point was, my point is that the room in question is structurally a cool room. I have seen numerous kitchens which have decommissioned and removed the compressor and fan units, and then converted the now empty and non-functioning coolroom into something else, such as an office or dry store.
So what we see in this instance is still actually a realistically accurate representation. Unless Kubrick specifically decided that a pantry required a coolroom door and an emergency release mechanism?
@@wilksb1894 So you know diddly squat about why Kubrick inserted a spike into the pantry door and you can't hazard a guess as to why Kubrick had one put there. Maybe because Kubrick wanted a prop in the scene that Nicholson could hit while screaming to show frustration? That doesn't seem to have occurred to you. You don't know the difference between a storeroom and a cool room despite having worked in numerous commercial store rooms (hint...you don't store salt in a refrigerated room)?????? And you have never worked in the film industry either in the US or England. Please give me a reason to discuss this with you some more.
Number 5, Danny let him out!
I Cant believe its never crossed my mind before. Seems extremely plausible now especially with the roadrunner reference and the call back to the trail of bread crumbs at the start and then in the next scene when Hallorann and Danny chat about their talent Hallorann does suggest they can see past and future events.
I don't think Danny can reach the slide lock or even work it.
@@myozbubble tony can
@@zakrios7389 Especially if they stand on something or use something to unlock the doors.
Hell, if it's not hotel being supernatural then it could even have been Wendy. She really was dependent on him, before Jack hacks his way through with the axe that is.
The thing is Wendy is sleeping by that time, after she saw the snowcat got sabotaged. Also, where did Jack got his axe from again?
@@raulfernandez57 Probably a fire axe
Why in the ever living fuck would Danny open the door? If Kubrick really wanted us to know he wouldn't have been so ambiguous. You could just as easily say a raccoon worked its way into the hotel and opened the door because you have literally just as much proof. This shit is meant to be open to interpretation. Not knowing what the hell is going on is exactly what makes movies scary.
I worked at a place that had a locked store room for the alcohol but one wall was just a row of refrigerators that could be rolled out. They didn't think that one through.
Holy crap when you said 'Danny let him out' I scoffed but when you elaborated I was blown away... interesting!
Danny had tony. Maybe jack had a “Johnny” inside his stomach. HERE’S JOHNNY!
The Here's Johnny line I heard was a complete spur of the moment line from Jack Nicholas, Stan liked it and keep it in.
@@Jason-io2vy the golfer?
Makes sense. 🧐 And I mean that. No joke. The door handle would be just about near where "Johnny" would be; the stomach.
BTW, the fire exit at 11:10 ;Jack Nicholson in real life was a volunteer firefighter. 🚒 Maybe Jack Torrance was too, and found the axe! 🚒
If the ghost of the hag from room 237 can physically choke Danny, then some other ghost can just as easily unlock the larder door for Jack.
Unless jack choked danny
The flat button on a rod safety handle is VERY standard in walk in freezers in the US. Every restaurant ive ever worked in had a safety door release on the inside that looks exactly like that. The rod pushes open the lever style lock handle on the outside.
I assumed that the hotel could open the door whenever it wanted. And It was just testing jack to see if he would actually do what it wanted
10:38 I must have watched The Shining over 9 thousand times in my life and I have never noticed that.
And the shelf is full
When Jack wakes up on the salt bags, you can hear the sound of wind in the background. Maybe it's nothing but I think this too may connect the scene to the maze scene taking place outside in cold wind. Of course the air can flow inside the building and make the sound, but I still feel that would be unlikely in the middle of the building.
tonitsi78 Jack’s setting rules of the maze system from his typewriter. Overlook hotel 🇺🇸 Knowing loopholes to operate outside the system. Never inside the system’s laws. Danny knows maze system from within. Jack asleep to the cold dark reality of the maze.
tonitsi78 Jack is placed on the wall for continuing to overlook the maze 🇺🇸 from the overlook hotel. Changing the laws of the maze from his typewriter. Jack, never seen inside the maze, freezes to death when he finds himself stuck within the cold dark reality of the maze. Unable to retrace his steps, backtrack from the ills of the past and find the exit from the artificial man-made snow he had planted. Hence why he’s asleep on top of the salt bags of snow. He’s asleep and disconnected to the reality of the maze system created from his (Nazi) typewriter. He cannot walk in the shoes of those within the maze.
@@trevorjonathan4405 That was beautiful Trevor
The sound of wind can be heard very often during this movie.
Just when I thought I had explored every possible Shining theory rabbit hole! Thanks for the effort 👌
From the book, I remember that when the bolt is opened by the Hotel, the narrator simply says "it wasn't fair". Meaning it wasnt fair to wendy that despite her best efforts to contain her husband, the hotel can simply do whatever it needs to ensure jack fulfils his misson
"Can't murder now, eating"
Love your videos. In addition to the Culumet (American Indian) and the Tang (nasa) references in the larder, there’s also a canister of Kool-aid. Kool-aid man is famous for bursting through walls. That’s my contribution to the lore. Cheers!
you did great with your explaining these
The push handle is so you can open the door with your butt or back while carrying food and you don't have any free hands. It's designed for utility not safety.
It is designed for butts.
@@dianathompson7597 Swiggty Swooty Opening the door with ghost booty
@Leviathis Krade LOL!!
thank you diana
Chris Court, No, they are definitely a safety feature, even though they can also be used to open the door with your butt when your hands are full. If you are in there and someone closes the door, without this safety feature you are trapped in there and will ultimately die.
The Holly Salt detail is so cool!! It must have clicked subconsciously I can’t tell you how many times I’ve looked at Jack laying on that salt and it just never came to the front of my mind! Thank you Rob!
Jacob Hutton Jack setting the rules of the maze system from his typewriter. Overlook hotel 🇺🇸 . Knowing loopholes to operate outside the system. Never inside the system’s laws. Danny knows the maze system from within. Jack is asleep to the cold dark reality of the maze. Hence why Jack is asleep on top of the salt/snow when confined within the safe confines of the overlook hotel. His law making gives him supernatural powers. The rules do not apply to him from within the hotel.
So many things I never noticed...too busy being scared, I guess. I'm really enjoying these analyses, and ordered a DVD of the movie so I can look, too...but I'll only watch it in the daytime with my dogs.
Since everything else about that bit is completely wrong, I doubt the salt happened either. First, all the exterior shots were in Oregon, at a ski lodge named Timberline. Where it really snows. The interior shots were in England, yes, but they probably didn't need much salt to cover the window sills.
11:24 never noticed the frosted flakes box.
absolutely crazy how many things are still being found in this 40 year old movie.
You are so observant! Good theories.
My theory: Tony was responsible for everything and is the real villain
it's the black guy c'mon it's always the black guy...
@SS3 Goku Tony wakes up Wendy by drawing redrum and he also says to danny that they shouldn't go to the hotel suggesting a guardian angel feel
Have you read the book?
but tony is just danny from the future.
Tony is just older danny though.
Errr the audience let him out, obvious
it is human to err(r)
Alright Haneke
You thinking maybe there's a hidden subtext of the audience being somehow in the movie? Interesting.
@@handsomebrick It's just as credible as Tony the Tiger getting involved!
The monolith let him out
These are great ideas. I really personally enjoy the theory that since King's novels exist in the same literary universe, that the family (specifically Jack) is being hunted by IT. He's being mentally taunted and psychologically broken down by IT's presence. And this ends with him being lured into the maze which doesn't really exist. The maze is a manifestation that ensnares Jack from the shadows and IT is the force that releases him from the pantry.
Theory 2: The second door that appears to open in to the store room is locked with the drop bolt in the handle. the big door with the "FIRE EXIT" wording is on is slid open, so the lettering would not be obscured normally. Although people do ignore rules, generally fire exit doors are expected to be kept closed unless in use.
The emergency exit door is on a trundle, so it slides open and closed. The track(trundle) is visible over the doorframe. The stuff stacked in front is okay to be there, but not in front of the actual doorway. The warning only applies to the door being closed so nothing is stacked in the passage.
It's so obvious that it discredits the video.
But not as much as Tony the Tiger's involvement.
"It's Shhhhhhiiite!"
this movie is pure ''evil'', can't quite put your finger on exactly what it is, try and you'll descend into madness. its a masterpiece of evil.
Yes
Yes and many have descended into that pit through analysing it.
@@anonb4632 haha who?
The book is better
Seth Bullock the book is retarded this is better
Kubrick never made continuity errors. He was the most obsessive filmmaker that ever sat behind a camera.
If we assume that Danny's shine enables him to see into the future then theory no. 5 is entirely plausible he might have used his gift to lead Jack into a trap.
It's so awesome how you can re-watch the movie under the pretense of a different theory. The different experiences you can have with the film makes it one of my favorites of all time.
The door was locked by a third party and had to be corrrrected.
The idea that no supernatural things occur could be compelling, but what about the scene where Halloran shines to Danny in the storeroom?
I think the entire thing with Jack being in the freezer is all happening in his head. To him, the freezer is a representation of him feeling trapped in his marriage. He argues with what he thinks is Wendy to be let out, she says no, and in turn he negotiates with "the ghosts" which is essentially him realizing the only way out of the freezer is murdering Wendy. There are some major holes in this thought though so I need to do some more thinking and clear up a few other things and see if the theory still holds. Love your work Rob, you got me thinking. I'm a born again hard Kubrick head.
Rob's work analysing this film is so amazing.
I'm convinced Danny let Jack out of the storeroom, but not consciously. In a preceding scene in the US version, Wendy tries talking to Danny, but he seems to be in a trance, responding in Tony's voice "Danny isn't here, Mrs Torrance." Presumably Wendy falls asleep. So I reckon while Wendy and Jack are passed out, Danny - 'possessed' by the supernatural forces of The Overlook - goes downstairs and unlocks the door. Jack imagines this as a conversation with Grady. We never see Jack open the door immediately (maybe he takes his time, maybe his hallucination with Grady continues?). Whatever happens, Danny has enough time to go back upstairs, grab the knife and lipstick, and do a bit of redecorating while Jack gets the axe.
It's an infinitely fascinating film!
I agree with your assessment. I believe Danny let's him out because he subconciously needs to be directly the reason his Father dies.Everything Danny manifests from the moment they arrive at the hotel is to punish his Father for abusing him.
@@chriskarley384 I've never thought of it like this: that the hotel offers up some redemptive power. Or maybe that Danny is a symbol of hope and purity, who can break the cycle of violence. This puts a very hopeful spin on the whole film. Such a refreshing take!
I don't agree. Danny isn't possessed by the hotel, he has been taken over by Tony as he is talking in the same voice as Tony in the very beginning of the film before they even got to the hotel. He clearly shows no desire to hurt Wendy, where the hotel wants them both dead. In fact, Tony had been warning them of 'REDRUM', the murder Jack was about to commit against them and proceeded to save Wendy from it. I believe Danny has allowed Tony to take over whilst he is shining, trying to speak to the cook who does hear him and comes to help them. I don't see a reason why Danny or Tony would let Jack out of the room only to warn Wendy of their imminent murder straight afterwards - he could've just left him in there to die and escaped with his mum.
@@plantlifeforever6994Fair enough, but who lets Jack out of the storage cupboard?
@@nathanlangcomedy f*ck knows, man 😂 tbf maybe I was a bit harsh on that theory, anything could be happening. And I guess Tony could've let Jack out in order to lead him to the hedge maze - maybe he knew it would all happen and that does make sense. Personally, I believe the theory that the ghosts are a reflection of the evil within, or a sort of dark twin, e.g. I think Jack is the one who strangled Danny, instead of it literally being the hag, the hag represents Jack. If you follow this theory then you could assume it was actually Jack who let himself out, using the safety handle his hand is seen on throughout the scene and he is simply giving himself a pep talk to finish the job. Or, perhaps those ghosts become all the more real the more the hotel indulges and consumes him?
Jack just wanted to give danny and Wendy their medicine..
Those door handles are on the walk-in fridge of every restaurant kitchen I’ve ever seen.
Exactly....
I don’t think you showed it in this vid, but I always liked the scene when Halloren and Danny are sitting, talking in the kitchen and the knives hanging in the background are perfectly surrounding Danny’s head, pointing downward. So menacing!
this is why i love this movie. even after all these years we can still talk about it. i respect the work you put into your analysis and shining videos but maybe the director didn't want us to go this deep. yes kubrick probably thought about all these things while writing the scripts and planning the scenes but maybe part of the magic comes from not knowing everything. maybe he was too much of a perfectionist. the shots, props and film locations all show great detail and care put into them and that's why people try to reverse engineer the films story and ideas. aaaah, who am i kidding? keep on doing this! why not explore the vast details of this masterpiece? you're not to busy are you?
He sells some of his film reviews/analysis. So yes he does have time
You have shown some intelligent discourse so it's obvious you have a brain in your head... but why must you be so revoltingly crass? Fucking offensive... plus you misspelled "bastard" ya dumb-dumb
Maybe he has a crass sense of humor. And maybe it's from Inglorious Basterds. I don't like the C word much myself but smart people can be vulgar too.
No idea why I'm even writing this I'm just guessing. My mom is smart and in other ways, normal but she swears a lot.
Doesn't say "C" though.
I agree. There is a line in interpretation of the details. Even in Kubrick's films.
The director definitely wants people to analyze their stories, regardless of who the director is. They want people to wonder about the metaphors and meanings they spent months crafting Into a narrative. It’s annoying when people say “stop over analyzing!” Rob specifically is analyzing very deep movies made by very hardworking directors, who definitely wanted people to pore over their work and discuss the meaning. And even if a meaning an interpreter finds was unintended, it still holds weight. Chris Cornell once said when he releases a song he no longer has control on the meaning behind, it now means what it means to each listener. And movies are much the same in my opinion