It takes alot to own up to Mistakes and make a follow up to fix your mistakes. Super humble as well as professional. It clear you took the time to reread the manga and You took the feedback of the comment section. Looking forward to be finish this video. Just got my lunch so im ready.
I liked Makima not being empathetic, I liked hating her from the beginning, some villains are better when they are void of absolution because as a viewer it is natural to love to hate someone, that is why I respect the author so much for denying to develop her backstory
At this point, I've realized that the ambiguity surrounding Makima and her origin is much more interesting and valuable than any kind of literal or explicit details about her backstory.
I disagree that she was alive in WW2. The WW2 associated devils would have formed during the war and after but that does not mean they died during that war. They could have died at any point between 45 and 97. Otherwise good video, very enjoyable. Thanks. I can see Reze and Quanxi returning. I think the conflict between hybrids and Denji who now protects the Control Devil would be an interesting plot point. I think part 2 also needs to show the true death of a hybrid as that is sorely missing from the story. A visible true death of a hybrid would keep the tension that Denji can physically die which is somewhat weakened imo by the apparent immortality of hybrids.
Nah control devil would be working with war during ww2. Think hitlers ability to control the masses. She could totally be Eva Braun or hell even their Daughter because the slow aging thing
You did an amazing job with this one man. Editing was really crisp and aesthetically pleasing to look at and you articulated your thoughts really well. Helped widen my perspective on certain aspects of the story as well. Again great job bro.
I think the lack of characterisation of the villains adds to the tragedy of Chainsaw Man: Throughout this, Denji is working for a boss who doesn't care about him, and killing people he doesn't know. All the conflicts except the conflict with Makima are impersonal (they only want his heart, they have no problem with Denji the human). It also adds a bit to the realism - as a government special forces agent, he doesn't know the people he fights
in the end pochita was underrated because we never seen him until the last fight with makima Edit: And Kobeni is just what a normal human would react if they were in her position in this world, because if you're a normal human you wouldn't be there be smiling risking your life just to get this kind of job and the reason to that is you dont want to die that's just what a normal human instinct would say (This is just my opinion and what i think don't take this opinion as serious and just take it with a grain of salt)
I really love that you put the AOT audio on Kobeni's story. I love AOT musics, and honestly it was to hard to listen to you talking cause I love that music, LMAO.
The thing i really didn't lime was the rushed fight with Makima. It wasn't becasue i wanted cool fight scene only, but because having her die in 1-2 chapters after starting fighting her and letting her die just because of Power's ability without any smart way of using the protagonists powers undermined her buildup as this incredibly strong foe who is always ahead of anyone and stronger than anyone. However this rush nature is common in the whole manga. For example this great foe who is the gun devil (or to be fair the 20% gun devil), so strong that he seams unbeatable, gets killed the chapter after his reveal, off screen nonetheless. This rushy nature also hurt character developement and attachment to characters. In fact we aren't able to bond so well with characters like shark devil or angel devil whose death don't give this much of an impact. Also Aki's and Power deaths are much less felt by the reader than they could have been just because we didn't spend much time with them as the main focus. The only characters who stay in the main focus long enough to really care about are Denji and Makima, the forst one because he is always the focus of the actions, the second because she is always fishy so we pay much attenction to everything she does and both of fhem because most of the non plot related parts of the manga, the everyday life parts of characters stories, are about them alone.
i was under the impression that devils have a personality, like how baby makima also wants someone to be equal with humans, or how angel barely remembers hell. it just made sense to me that devils would always be the same
Yeah, it has to do with Nature vs Nurture. It seems like devils in the CSM universe can have similar or identical personality traits across their different incarnations; like how you mentioned that both Makima and Nayuta desire equal connections with others because they are both the Control Devil. But beyond that, it's all up to Nurture, aka how they're raised. Makima was raised by the Japanese government as a tool, which is why she ended up with such a messed up personality. If Nayuta were to be raised the same way that Makima was, she would end up just like her. However, if Denji is able to nurture Nayuta the right way, she could probably end up as a pretty normal person.
23:37 imo the reason why people doesn't find this impactful is just lack of empathy, for me the door reveal was fucked up as hell 26:50 she said that just for calm Denji, like, "nothing is over" sorry for necroposting btw :^)
Yeah, I think a lack of empathy could be a contributing factor, but I also think it just has to do with pacing and the timing of the reveal. It was very abrupt, and right after some other major story events, so I can see why people could react with "Oh um... okay?". Yeah I agree, I feel like even though Power was being honest about her feelings by calling Denji her buddy, I think there's no way she can know for sure that the new Blood Devil can be "turned back into Power" in the literal sense. the necropost is appreciated regardless lol
I believe that the Chainsaw Devil represents entertainment fear, the fear from horror movies or videogames. It's a strong and popular fear in humanity, and entertainment distracts people from other fears. Nowdays, in most countries, war belongs to movies and games, they "ate" war. Chainsaws themselves aren't feared, but they're iconic to entertainment horror, that's why the shark devil admires him, Sharks are feared mostly from movies than from the real animal. This is my theory at least
It’s crazy that you said the seen with kobeni talking to denji was the first time you seen her as a normal person because to me she’s the most normal. Most real people would react like kobeni living under the circumstances she has.
I only want, and expect power to come back... Somewhere very far in the series, having denji bring her back and try to make the same connection as he had at the beggining, but i bet the story would make her a diff character as denji would painfully accept the fact, she's a different blood fiend...
I want Power to come back as the Blood Devil and Denji have an arc where he has accept she is gone forever how he knew her. That’d be pain incarnate. Imagine him having to fight the Blood Devil, he wins, and the Blood Devil resents him for the rest of the series despite wanting to keep Power’s request.
i don't think the reason makima looks human is because she's very fond of them. though i think she is in her own way in a fucked up way. i think it's because she's the control devil, an attractive human appearance and manipulative personality is simply better for control. also i think her past isn't meant to be too elaborated on, that's why we never see all of her powers, she's meant to be mysterious and unkown, scary at times because you never know what she could do. so when denji finally kills her it's like taking down one of the titans in shadow of the colossus. this incredibly powerful unkowable thing taken down by humanity. it would feel too classic shonen for fujimoto's crazy style to have a backstory. i agree with the death point though. that's the main reason i stopped reading to your eternity, they undid all of the deaths and kept the story going. as much as i love aki and power if they came back it would devalue the story unless it was as an ending.
This is way better than part 1, also I love your theory on Making, I thought the same thing but wasn’t sure. Just glad someone sees her the same as I did
Yeah the cake was, pun sorta intended, the cherry on top of the misery cake. Literally the nicest thing she'd done in the entire series AND arguably the nicest thing anyone had ever done for Denji, and she just dies instantly, having no clue what's going on. I don't think I would've ever recovered from that if it wasn't for the stupid fucking Chainsaw Man burger scene lifting my mood.
@@jacobnorris8256 i have a point about power having a clue. What if Power was already controlled by Makima? I can't be sure(and i hope i'm not), but isn't Power and Denji becoming so attached is part of Makima's plan, because Makima later said that every good moment in Denji's life was planned and controlled by her and every bad moment in Denji's life was too. What if ALL of CSM plot was controlled by Makima? What if Power and Aki was controlled by Makima all the time and was supposed to become so close to Denji so Makima can just take everything from him. Makima build Denji's ,,new perfect life" in order to destroy after and break Chainsaw Man's human side(Denji) so the real devil Chainsaw Man can appear. Or maybe I'm just getting braindead and should finally sleep some...
@@godersar1056 yes makima controlled denji life since from the day they first met building up to that moment to burst out the chainsaw man inside him but that doesnt mean that aki and power love towards him were faked she was only leading and playing around to that moment she was not entirely controlling them all that time but she did controlled aki to have an affection towards her its all part of the plan afterall its sad that aki only realised it at the final moment
Kinda sad that Denji is basically living Makima’s life now almost all the people he loved are dead and he can’t die. Really smart writing on the authors part because it sets Denji up to be in a similar mindset and position Makima was in basically giving us more insight and a chance for the author to go deeper into Makima’s character through Denji’s eyes and he can do all this while keeping the mystique that gives Makima most of her charm.
Someone had a very interesting theory about chainsawman being the chaos devil because he is uncontrollable and can break the rule of the devils immortality. But if he's the chaos devil, what's up with the chainsaws? Well, remember how he defeated that devil by drinking his blood to maintain his stamina and created a perpetual motion machine? This moment was a taste of how the chaos devil operates, by killing other devils he was able to become more terrifying and more powerful, being stronger only made him more fearsome thus creating a perpetual motion machine. Mabe the chainsaws are the representation of this circumstance, the perpetual motion. Also chaos is the opposite of control and mabe that's why makima was unable to control him and was that intrigued by him.
That could be the case, but it looks like NAMES are very important in this universe. I feel like that devil being called the "chainsaw devil" couldnt just be a mistake.
@@franciscopetrucci I don't know, you could leave a comment on the video and hopefully he'll respond but otherwise, it's a solid explanation to why chainsawman has that much power.
Honestly, if I want a character I like to come back from “death,” I want it to change the status quo that we knew previously of those characters. I think Power returning as a completely different person could be really good for Denji to develop and accept that the OG Power is gone.
I can see Denji desperately comparing the new blood devil to Power all the time and struggling to understand they’re different people and he can’t fulfill Power’s last wish…
I feel like a Makima backstory is justified and perhaps necessary for one reason: Nayuta. If we are to believe that the Control Devil can be made relatively docile and kind, I think we must know the kind of events that happened in Makima's rearing that made her the way she was in the first place for context. Also I disagree on the topic of Reze for a few reasons. Denji never actually saw her "die", he thinks she stood him up at the coffee shop. Even in the final battle it'd be easy to believe that Denji didn't notice her because he was hiding. Also the most likely place for her to be is probably locked away with all of the other weapon hybrids by the japanese government, considering all of their corpses could've been easily recovered at the site of the final battle with Makima. This isn't even mentioning the different opportunities that could be explored if she were alive. Maybe she doesn't even like Denji, maybe it was just her circumstances that lead her to believing that Denji was her best option at the moment, maybe she isn't into him at all given more freedom/a different situation. I think that'd be an interesting aspect of romance to explore. Similarly I'd be fine with the Blood Devil appearing if it was clear that it would not and could not "become Power" again, it'd be interesting to see Denji deal with that.
I'd say Reze is definitely into Denji. With their similar upbringings and all that. But what really reinforces it was the fact that Reze knew Makima was watching over Denji and could track him, she knew it was pointless to run away together as she mentioned during their fight on the trucks but she still goes back to him. It was pretty much suicide and she should have known that, and I believe she did.
@@Asuraai Nah, Reze would've been more cautious then. Everyone in CSM know that Makims is powerful and dangerous yes. But they surely don't know about her being able to hear and see through animals. Makima could get wise of the president of the USA for example before the Gun Devil attacks. Reze was taken by surprise
Yeah everyone blindfoldedly loving Power while not being conscious that if it wasn't because Denji helped her get over her trauma all of the love between these 2 would've never occurred
Plus in all honesty most of this can be explained away by makimas powers. She’s after all a full devil, she’s not a variant so her powers are significant to say the least and do to her powers being control who’s to say she would even alow someone to die to begin with. And if they are dead who’s to disagree with the fact that she can most likely used necromancy because all she’s doing in the end is controlling the dead. The world feared her more then the gun devil after all
About characters coming back, I would really enjoy Denji finding and facing the 'past devil' and having to face a twisted versión of Aki, Power and Reze (even his father) as he is confronted with his past mistakes.
Whoa, yeah I could totally see the "Past Devil" as really fertile ground for some interesting character development. Denji may have grown a lot, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have regrets, and there's no denying that many people are afraid of their past. (Plus, the Future Devil already exists, so yeah)
that would propably be the regret devil. Im guessing it puts you in a dreamlike state where you live through the horrifying experiences until you are broken.
With reze and quanxi, them coming back for part 2 is totally fine for me. They didn't really die in the first place, well they died in the same way that denji has "died". With makima's control gone it makes sense that they are just back in the story.
there's a theory that the chainsaw man was once a really strong devil hunter who beared a chainsaw, and he was like so powerfull that the devils begin to associate him with the fear of being killed/erased, hence why pochita is the chainsaw MAN devil, and not just chainsaw devil. that would explain the erase power and the name
Pochita then could it have been born out of fear coming from this devil hunter? devils are born out of fear of humans and the power of the chainsaw devil was born out of fear of devils? it makes sense but who know
Pochita doing weird things to fulfill denji's dream life but failing because of his increase in power basically sums up Makima's reason as to why she started viewing humans as loveable pets
Wow, that’s so true. Chainsaw Man and the Control Devil really weren’t that different at all, further solidified by the fact that Pochita said all he ever wanted was to be hugged. I bet Makima could have been a really different character had she let herself be influenced by Denji a bit like Pochita did.
I really loved Makima as a character, I knew she had to die because of her views and I feel....satisfied. I imagine that she never really felt happiness so when she died, it must have felt like a blessing to her, she doesn't have to hold these burdens any longer, she can live within Denji who had loved her when no one else really did.
About the part where it´s mentioned how denji puts his life on the line for seemingly simple and primitive things: I think it´s actually a really good use of Maslow's hierarchy of needs (yk, the pyramid) where Denji starts from the very bottom of it and grows over the course of the series. When talking about happiness in chainsaw man, it´s important to remember where denji comes from and that he´s just a 16 year old, having to deal with all of these fucked up issues, imo. All in all, csm is a masterpiece for me, definitely one of the best manga I´ve ever read and I´m incredibly excited for the anime. Thanks for the video btw, literally just watched the other one today, clicked on your channel and saw this one.
Now that you mention it i really like and agree with what you said about maslows hierarchy. It specifies that base needs such as food and shelter must be met before higher tiers such as social standing and relationships can be attained. As such, Denji who struggled to meet even the basic needs fought tooth and nail to attain them, but after getting them started to desire more and more of the higher levels. Maybe somewhat of a stretch, but perhaps Makima who has already attained all the power she wants but cant experience true relationships strives so hard to become close to CSM, her one last hope for a relationship on equal terms.
@@mlqh Exactly! I also like the thought that Makima was on top of, if not far over the top of the pyramid, but desires to be at the bottom again. But because it´s not possible, she´s instead fascinated by CSM, who´s just as OP, if not more. Making them somewhat equal again.
Just to clarify my point about character death; I'm not saying that bringing back "dead" characters (or characters that are presumed dead) is *always* a bad thing. But in order to make it work, authors need to: 1) Have a logical in-universe reason as to why the character either didn't die in the first place, or was able to come back from the dead, and 2) Do something interesting with the character that justifies their return. In the case of Chainsaw Man, I feel like the character arcs we got with characters like Power and Reze were complete enough that they wouldn't really need to return. Yes, they end in tragedy, but that's kind of the point. (Although, it would have been cool if there was a moment dedicated to Denji recognizing Reze among the Hybrids, and realizing that Makima 'killed' and took control of her). However, that's not to say that it would be totally *impossible* for characters like the Hybrids to return, and even for characters like Reze, Quanxi, and Katana Man to still have new, compelling character arcs. I just personally think that it's unlikely, since there would have to be some serious caveats to logically justify their presence in the story. But like I said, I could be totally wrong, and if Fujimoto can find a way to keep these characters interesting, then it's all good. And one thing I want to make clear is that whether I'm right or wrong about this; I want Fujimoto to make *his* story the way *he* wants it to be. I mean, how sick would it be if Part 2 of Chainsaw Man opened on Denji walking into class, only to see Reze sitting next to the only empty desk? (This is pretty wishful all things considered, but hey you never know)
hey, uhhh, i dont know how to say this. you're a great manga analysis youtuber, you even comeback for correcting your previous mistakes, that must be takes a lot of willpower. uhhh, please, dont let your channel died after everything you've done to make the manga community alive. please dont give up until you've read my web manga.
You know, I think it's kind of the point. When Reze, Quanxi and Katana Man came back, they weren't the same, being best shown by their new outfits. Makima depraved them from their own personality, standardized them, and made them nothing more than the weapons they represent. We see the Bomb devil and the Crossbow devil in a human form, not Reze and Quanxi. That's the same as that moment on the beach, when Makima uses several characters' powers to fight the Gun devil. It just goes to show that she ever only cared about what people could her to achieve. Anyway, I'm glad you're still talking about this masterpiece, I can't wait to see if the anime adaptation is any good. Hope you keep enjoying what you do !
Imagine Denji walking in, seeing Reze smiling at him, and he just walks out and he’s like “I’m going back to sleep.” Also I think they reference Reze going to school way to much to not having her be in the “Academia arc” that’s going to be part 2.
i agree 100%. i want to compare this to my thoughts on another series but obviously i dont want to spoil anything, so ill try to be brief/vague. so a character dies and it is hinted at the end he may return in a sequel or something. i love the character and i would be happy to see him alive, but it just wouldnt make work thematically. his death is so extremely powerful and it ties in with so much in the story. as much as it pains me, he shouldnt come back, it would undermine his arc and the effect it has, especially on the reader. the deaths in chainsaw man are the same way. of course we would all love to see denji reunite with his friends but it could dismantle so much development and meaning if done the wrong way
Makima not having a backstory was refreshing for me. I didn’t want her to have a redeeming quality, and even if her backstory wasn’t a tragic one (although It most likely was since she was ultimately a tool they groomed for destruction), it’s what makes her actions all the more gut wrenching. From controlling Aki’s emotions of getting him to “like” her, while Himeno pinned after him so badly, to making Angel destroy his whole village. Then of course what she ends up doing to Aki and Power. For me, it solidified her as a full cutthroat villain who really was out to create the illusion of a beautiful life for Denji, only to destroy it. They say that one is neither purely good or evil, but I love that Fujimoto blurred the lines with Makima by not giving her a backstory and letting it be up to the readers to interpret.
Yeah, my thoughts on this have changed since making this video so I lean more towards just implications and ambiguity over a blatant flashback or backstory.
I would say that we dont need backstory of some villains in stories. If she had like nice backstory there she was used we just would fell sorry for her. She doesnt need to get like reasons to love her more.
Going off of what was said in the video, I would have appreciated flashbacks for Makima if only for the purpose of learning more details about her, not in a hashtag-tragic-anime-backstory kind of way. Heck, it even could have been things that made her LESS sympathetic. It’s just a treat to get extra bits of lore about interesting and well written characters like Makima.
Reze was never dead, the hybrids are basically immortal so I'd expect them to show up in part 2. It did feel like a bit of an ass pull when power came back just to die a second time so quickly, especially since if CSM knew power was alive as blood he would have probably resurected her sooner.
@@Noname-gm5om reze isnt dead thats not how it works and he meant if power could come back because of the blood then what was stopping pochita from doing it earlier? Also, jack, from my perspective he was proccupied throughout the entire transformation bar that moment between kobeni starting to dance and him and the hybrids meeting up, it didnt really give him time to think on it imo
I HIGHLY recommend reading the authors second created manga “FIREPUNCH” (chainsawman is his third). It really shows the story style of the author especially with the movie aspect that you were discussing. Movies in Fire punch are extreme plot points.
Ah yes, my favourite kind of story telling, existential dread. No hate, love FIREPUNCH and CHAINSAWMAN but God damn both of em really messed up with my head
honestly the whole "dead characters coming back" thing is the hardest for me. i get too attached to the characters and cry when they die and while i accept that csm isnt that kind of story, and that thematically and narratively itd be better and make more sense if they didnt come back, deep down i cant help but wanting to see them back. like shit, all i want is to see aki, denji and power living toghether happily, but i know after everything, that cant happen. still, i have high hopes for part 2, and cant wait for the anime adaptation! loved these two videos dude, im definitely subscribing now, hope to see more content like this in the future!
Thanks dude, and yeah I totally get where you're coming from. It would be sick to see the gang hanging out again, but in the long run I think that narrative and thematic consistency are king.
Aki was my favorite character, but I would absolutely hate if he came back to life. His death is my personal favorite moment in the entire manga, it would completely undermine such a beautiful and heart-wrenching scene.
Yup, gotta preserve the integrity of the tragedy. Although, it seems like characters like Aki and Power are gonna get a bit more screentime in Fujimoto's upcoming CSM short stories collection. Not sure if it's out or translated yet though
The Four Horsemen are going to be an integral part of the plot moving forward... and if they're involved, then the weapon hybrids are going to be, too. Reze and Quanxi are almost certainly coming back in some form. I can't help but feel the similarities in how Fujimoto wrote Reze's backstory was in service for what may have been the burgeoning ideas of Part 2 in his mind, because not only is she of similar age to Denji, but she's also never gone to school and represented the first serious object of affection for Denji that stood counter to Makima. This would have worked just fine as a tragic parallel to Denji, but after seeing her and all the weapon hybrids battle Chainsaw Man at the end, I can't help but feel they'll all be back in some capactiy. The next arc is called the "High School Arc"... Denji, on some level, is going to try experiencing "normalcy" while indulging in the Chainsaw Man persona he presents to the public. I cannot imagine the logistical contrivances that would be needed to keep this farce going -- not just because of Nayuta but also because of the insanely hot commodity Denji has become to not only devils but international espionage. Kishibe almost certainly contrived him a deal with the government, along with covert protection from foreign adversaries for such a way of living to be even feasible. Reze works not only as a continued representative of one of the biggest foreign adversaries, but also an emotional attachment/vulnerability that Denji will have to continue to work through in the story. I expect probably the first third or half of Part 2 to be a faux-slice-of-life with interspersed devil/hunter fights and more of Denji finding himself, but with the second half kicking things into high-gear in a setup for the apocalypse. I personally think Part 3 will be all about the apocalypse itself, but in the case it ends with Part 2, then we get that as the climax.
I feel like the fast pacing of makima defeating the gun devil in one chapter can be thought of as makima being introduced as the new antagonist and it shows how much stronger of one she is too. These are just my thoughts on the fly tho.
I find curious that much like Chainsaw Man itself, your video needed a part 2. And like the first one, it was excellent! (Also, the music selection was godly as well) Here's hoping that Chainsaw Man Part 2 does the same.
Reze should definitely come back to her former self. She's a hybrid like Denji which basically makes her immortal. With Makima dying, the spell on Reze is probably broken. We can assume she's back in the ussr after breaking from Makima's spell. Also Reze's death had no impact on Denji since he's unaware of it. Only the chainsaw devil encountered and fought her(not Denji himself). Would be bad writing in part 2 if Denji finds out about it and just gets over it in a few chapters. One thing about chainsaw man's charm is the relationships. I agree with Aki staying dead and with power coming back but not as the same person anymore because those deaths denji saw in front of his eyes and had an impact on his character, and even broke him. Meanwhile all Denji knew about Reze was that she was leaving and eats flowers as acceptance that Reze has left him. It would be an underwhelming conclusion to their relationship if Denji just finds about her death and not experience it. Also I think Reze returning matches with part 2's theme of highschool. Reze after breaking from Makima's spell would try to find Denji but gets caught by the ussr and has her brainwashed and forget her memories. They could make her a spy having her attend the same school as denji. I know Fujimoto has new characters in store for us that are going to be amazing, but when it comes to romance no one beats Reze. And I think even if the conclusion of her relationship with Denji isnt going to be happy, it deserves more development and chapters. Even if Reze actually ends up dying for real, I think it should happen in Denji's arms.
The reason why denji couldn't bring himself to kill makima is because despite everything that she had done to denji, makima is still the first person that saved him from loneliness
Regarding Power's contract with Denji, I strongly believe Power really meant exactly what she said, and that made it in my opinion the most hard hitting moment in the story. Yes, Power lies a lot, but she is selfish more than anything. She found happiness or self fulfiillment being with Denji, so her contract with him is meant to have hopes that she could go back to him and to that content state. Power also became very physically attached to Denji after her experience in Hell, leaving her scarred and scared to death, and her physicality with him in her last moments really shows that Denji is her safe haven. Knowing that she would reincarnate and maybe have to go through all that again or even worse, led her to save Denji and sacrifice for him so that she could, in the future, have a safe place again. Also remember Power's theme is based on cats, and we all know cats really attach themselves to humans who make them feel safe and looked after. Sure, Denji doesn't spoil her to death, but in the dark context of the story, it actually really makes sense. It's more so that she spoils herself by being around him, just like some cats gently rub themselves against people to draw attention on themselves. It's just a lot of cat behaviour that is at the core of how Power thinks and is. It's the same as how Makima/Nayuta and Denji are thematically based on dogs. Viewing the dynamic between Power and Denji from that perspective adds a whole new angle to their connection. And trust me, a cat that loves their home, will always want to come back to and only to That place that is their home. Lastly, Denji actually turning the new Blood devil back into Power is actually truly possible considering the idea of how a devil's personality and purpose after their (re)incarnation can be shaped by human interraction, is introduced and expanded upon by Kishibe in the last chapter. If the Makima version of the Control devil can be molded and constructed by a government, and if the Nayuta version of the same devil can be nurtured and maintained by Denji, who is actually given the task of not letting the control devil turn back into the Makima version, then it is 100% possible for him to also turn the Blood devil back into the Power version.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense, but even if that were the case it still wouldn't be the same exact Power from part 1. For one thing, she wouldn't have her human body and would instead be in her true devil form. And even if Denji was able to befriend her all over again, she still probably wouldn't regain her memories. Best case scenario; It would essentially be like if Power kept her personality but had memory loss. HOWEVER, considering that a contract is involved, I guess it isn't entirely impossible that there could be some shenanigans that allow her to regain her memories. But one thing I'm almost certain of is that she probably won't look the same, since the human body she was inhabiting got bisected by Makima. Thanks for commenting dude, I never really connected the thematic through line with Power and cats v.s. Denji with dogs, it's interesting to think about.
@@SchnozMeister Yes, I always thought that Power 2.0 would not regain her memories and that Denji would have to work pretty hard to be able to "change her back". But now that I think about it, I thought the opposite about Nayuta and how there could be a high risk that she would remember if she came in contact with certain things that would pull her back to the dark side. Memories of past lives after reincarnation is a concept that has roots in real life stories. But ofc we are talking about devils here, and even though Makima and Power were devils with a very humane state, it's still something not completely defined by Fujimoto.
Hi, I wanted to give my 2 cents on the date night with Makima at the movies. I think the interpretation that Makima was crying due to the movie is incorrect, though that is how the story is potrayed - through Denji's eyes. We see him looking back and forth between the movie on the screen and Makima to see if the movie was interesting at all. When we get to the movie that Makima is crying at, it was actually Denji who cries first from the way we read it. He then looks to Makima and sees she is also in tears, perhaps to solidify his weird reaction to the movie and creating a sort of "moment" between the two. Denji is first to cry, but if we think of movies having an impact on our feelings, then it is really the Chainsaw devil that is crying during that movie. We don't see what Makima was doing before he started crying until he looks over to her. So in my interpretation, Makima noticed Chainsaw man crying and turned on the waterworks herself. This was all a ploy for her to create the bond between the two of them since she is ultimately the Control devil.
I think some of the Hybrids might come back especially the underdeveloped ones I think it could show how it feels to be used by Makima and if they have a grudge against Denji Nayuta & Chainsaw Man Also Quanxi’s relationship with Kishibe But about Reze I think her reaction to Denji attending high school could be interesting but I don’t know if it would detract from her send off
These videos have really given me appreciation for Makima as a character... I was kind of exhausted with the grimdarkness by late Chainsaw Man but now I want to reread it with fresh eyes and perspective.
Thank you man, that's one of the main reasons I make these videos so I'm glad to hear it 👍hope you enjoy your re-read, you should check out the official colored version, it's pretty sick
Just finished reading the entirety of Chainsaw man and came across both your videos. I don't have anything insightful particularly to add, but I just want to say thank you for making them. They helped add clarity and meaning to what I just read and make the experience better because of it :)
eyy I appreciate it dude. It's been a while since I made these, so I've realized that some of my takes/interpretations are kinda wack, so take them with a grain of salt lol. But regardless, I'm glad you enjoyed em' :^)
My interpretation of the Chainsaw Devil's special ability is that the Chainsaw Devil isn't necessarily a being born from the fear of a chainsaw akin to the other devils, but rather, of the devils' fear of humankind's resilience, tenacity, and willpower. My personal immediate associations with chainsaw (barring Leatherface lmao) are characters like Ash Williams from the Evil Dead series, who just absolutely annihilate whatever terrors come their way in bloody glory, and I think that's the association you're meant to derive from the Chainsaw Devil. Really though, thematically, that's what the Chainsaw Devil does. It embodies the human strength to overcome fear and reduces specific fears to nothing, both figuratively and literally. I also think that this is why Makima has such a fondness/respect for Chainsaw Man. Given that she views humans like how humans view dogs, if my interpretation is correct, Chainsaw Man is like a dog that's been distilled down to the purest, most endearing, most defining traits that a dog can have.
Honestly I don't really mind the under developed secondary characters on Chainsaw Man cuz one thing I hate the most in anime is when they give to much backstory to every single character in the anime. Just like in real life, you know more about the people that are closest to you than those who you just recently met, and I think chainsaw man encapsulates that idea pretty well without giving the anime flashback bullshit every 2 seconds like other shonen anime.
I agreed with a lot of what you said but there is a moment that I think is easily overlooked that just made the ending so much more meaningful to me. When control’s reincarnation requests a slice of bread for a meal I couldn’t help but think that this was to symbolize the potentially similar upbringings of denji and makima, that both just wanted a normal life with someone they could be happy with but due to the hardships of life that they were dealt whether they were being used by the yakuza and the public safety devil hunters or the government for their own goals and in order to deal with there painful lives they found a way to get past it for Denji it was to accept the bad bc without it the good wouldn’t mean as much whereas makima decided to get rid of the bad so that only the good was left. So by having a slice of bread be the beginning of denji’s character arc and having a the same thing be the ending of makima’s not only shows what makima’s past may have been like denji’s but also that control’s future would end up as bright and happy as Denji’s (not that denji’s ending is all rainbows and sunshine but at the end he is smiling and seems happy)
Fascinating. My take on Kobeni and Denji's talk regarding the "normal" life is more or less basic. Makima's overall goal was to give Denji everything he wants in "normal" life; food, shelter, playing games, a brother and sister in aki and power; then take it all away so that he couldn't live "normally" anymore thus nullifying his contract with pochita. This allowed the true Chainsaw Man (or whatever Devil he is) to take control which Makima would like to fight and defeat so that she can take control of him and his op power. Denji was willing to give up thereafter but with his talk and new contract with Power along with the "normal" life take with Kobeni, he realized that there is more to what he thought was normal and aspired for more (he'd like steak for breakfast instead of bread and jam, he'd like 5 girlfriends and tons of ...) thus pushing him to fight Makima once more.
Makima not having an explicit plot dump moment is great, and I think key to the story? I feel like it put us (the-reader/the-community) in Denji's shoes. We know she's up to something, people including ourselves act different around her, but all Denji cares about is getting those sweet boobas. When her dastardly plan came to fruition, it was all that more shocking and evil. But because we/Denji don't know shit, there is still love for her, and she needs to be eaten so Denji could get in a way that broke her contract. And then at the end of all her reincarnation asks if he wants to ride that crazy ride again and he straight up says "fuck that shit"
Yeah, the ambiguity of Makima's backstory is definitely intentional and meant to push the theme of ignorance for Denji's narrative, but like I said in the vid, I just want a _taste,_ a few pages would have done the trick; just like Aki and Power's backstories. They're short, but they convey a lot of information and contextualize their motivations and development throughout the entire rest of the story. I've honestly found my peace with Makima's backstory, it's been months since I made these two videos and I've had plenty of time to just get over it and appreciate what we got lol. If it comes up later in the manga somehow, cool, if not then that's completely fine.
Personally, I feel that Makima's inability to control Denji at the end is not so much because he defeated her in combat, but more because, even after all that she had made him go through, he still had the resilience to live freely. She tortured him so much, to the point where his existence was null and all that was left was the true Chainsaw Devil. She says it herself in chapter 95: "How can I get you to give up on this world, Denji?" "What do I need to do for you to turn back into Chainsaw Man?" And after supposedly killing him, he still showed that was not willing to surrender. She didn't even try at this point. She didn't even have to see him as an equal, trying to control him was just pointless. She already did everything she could to break him, and yet he still prevailed.
if we had the "dead" characters come back, i would like them to be different people but maybe still have references to their former self. like say if the gun devil and denji ever encounter each other again, he'd be reminded of aki. but i agree on the basis that they should not come back as who they were before
Regarding dead characters coming back I feel like a really good way to do it is have it be temporary or not a true revival. Spoilers for persona 5 royal . . . . . . . . . . I love what they did with akechi’s “revival” he didn’t have much going for him in the first game so to put more focus on him makes his death more impactful. But when he returns it is confusing as hell. You don’t know if he’s truly alive or not. And that makes the question of should we stop maruki an actual question. The player has to ask themselves if they’d choose akechi vs the world, and if akechi is still alive would they be endangering everyone for no reason? And I love how there’s never a clear answer after you beat the palace, he disappears but the protagonist sees what he thinks to be him at the last cutscene. So you never get an answer to justify your decision. And yes there was a leak saying he was originally supposed to be alive and in some type of therapy but they removed for a reason. I think the story is better if you don’t know.
Y'know what that's actually a pretty good comparison, and I totally agree that Akechi is 1000% better in Royal compared to vanilla P5. More characterization in the main story, and we get to see another side of his true self in Maruki's reality. And I def agree on the ambiguity too, I feel like it's much more interesting than "oh he's fine, just in jail or therapy". If a similar thing were to happen in Chainsaw Man, I think that would be sick. Like maybe there's some kind of devil that can fuck with Denji mentally or make him remember the stuff that happened between him and the dead characters from Part 1. Hallucinations, psychological attacks, that kinda stuff. I agree that temporary is the way to go.
I could watch your chainsaw man videos for hours, at first I was dissatisfied by the ending thinking it was rushed. You really change my perspective into loving characters I hated before.
I'm not sure if it applies or it was translated correctly from the original in the first place, but if this is true, Power forming a contract with Denji is truly heartbreaking. In the Infinity Devil arc, Aki said that fiends can't form contracts. I don't think I've seen it either as far as I know. So Power telling Denji to find her, may not have been a contract. Just her way of trying to convince Denji to keep living, even if it means making a meaningless promise to keep moving forward.
Okay, so I re-read that part and Aki's exact words are "fiends and devils can't make contracts with each other", (this is from the physical North American version I have) and since Denji is a human, I don't think that restriction would necessarily apply, but like I mentioned in the video, I'm pretty sure that Power's contract will have some kind of caveat.
@@SchnozMeister thinking of it, denji still had power's blood to fight makima with, even after power showed herself one last time. So I guess the contract is legit. Still, as tragic as it is, i would've loved the story going that way as a sendoff of Power, with part 2 having Denji dealing with her loss and learning to get over it after realizing that he can't just bring her back. Could have been a great subtle way of telling the true meaning of that promise and Denji's growth as a character.
I just finished reading Chainsaw Man today, and I absolutely love it! Although, I can't help but wonder how Nayuta looks almost exactly like Reze but in a child form together with Makima's eyes. Reze and Makima, the two characters Denji fell in love with, all into one person.... just wow, or maybe I'm overthinking about it XD I'm not sure if this was intentional by the creatoror rather something coincidental , but if it was intentional, that sure is interesting to look into. This was a great video btw, your analysis of the manga is amazing and really helps clear a lot of things up from the story ^^
Chainsaw man was there through the hardest year of my life, hopefully people also find meaning as deep and enjoyable as you did and as I did. Keep making vids like this bruh!
Same man, I keep getting bad luck after bad luck recently in my life and I’ve reached my limit, chainsaw man is a cool and meaningful story and it really helped me as a form of escapism
On 98% of your take on everything chainsaw man I strongly agree with it all, it feels well thought out and (for lack of a better word) satisfying to see it come together under a full breakdown.
The fact you used eye-water (call of silence) when talking about Denji's Despair hurts me expecially remembering lines from that ost like "you will know you're reborn tonight, must be rough but i'll stay by your side" since it reminds me so much Denji and his relationship with other characters like Power and Ponchita (and maybe Aki)
There are way too many doors in Chainsaw man. There are doors in hell, Power dies when Denji opens the door, Aki dies when Denji opens the door, and finally, it could be argued, Denji kills his father when the door is opened... Its kind of strange and makes me guess what all those doors mean..
I always thought it was Denji going mad, but it being Pochita and Pochita being this overpowered devil who's trying to help Denji gives the panels a lot more context for me
I think it takes a lot of confidence to admit you are wrong, or just being open to hearing other people's opinions and interpretations on things in general so to that, I highly commend you. What a great attribute to have especially as a content creator. Now I just want to say I was just floored by your deep analysis on this series and just how multifaceted and layered this series was. I knew that had to have been something there with that Makima/Denji movie theater scene but I just couldn't figure out what it was. Anyway from start to finish you have make amazing content, keep up the good work and I hope you accomplish everything that you have your heart/mind set to on this youtube journey.
Makima was extremely delusional about Chainsaw Man 'cause what she was so obsessed with was his extreme power and chaotic traits, but she never really tried to look in his inner proccess. All she saw was someone she could not control. Chainsaw Man always tried to "help" always tried to "do-the-right-thing" it was just that the world was too fragile for that type of love. "All I wanted was a hug," - coming from someone who has chainsaw for the hands is pretty much a tragedy itself.
20:25, Makima doesn't necessary need to live through WWII. Nazi devil can be spawn after the concept of Nazi exist for a while, just like the gun devil. Honestly the origin of a devil is still a myth
Personally I don't fully agree with the statement that bringing back a character ruins the impact of their death. I do think it's often one of the most poorly handled concepts in manga (And I don't see how Chainsawman would go with it) but the concept itself isn't an instant story negative. For instance I think that Yu Yu Hakusho handles the death and resurrection of Genkai great with the impact of her death on Yusukes character still being there and not reverted at all when she comes back but also the fact that it ends up being a perfect tie in to the end of Toguros character arc and backstory. Honestly the only complaint I can give to it is that they also just revealed Kuwabara who was also "Dead" was actually faking it like an episode before Genkai comes back but it also doesn't negate the impact and frustration Yusuke had about not being able to protect his friends even after getting a nifty power up to fight Toguro. Once again I don't know how Chainsawman would handle the concept and I don't really think it should tryvit myself but it's not an impossible thing to write well into the plot.
I agree 1000% about the people who died shouldn’t come back. it was great seeing their backstory and their time being alive. the only person I can see coming back is power
I’m really excited to see how the second arc plays out with the rest of the horseman devils coming out- well at least war and famine. I wonder if we’re going to get more backstory on Makima here (did they grow up together? Famine looks very similar to makima, at least in hair and eyes, and the horseman devils are reffered to as siblings. Is makima conquest?). Maybe through this arc, we’ll learn more about Makima, and I’ll be curious to see what it could imply, considering her true goal was to be equal to humans and have a family right? So if she was raised with the horseman devils or smth, how does that play into it? Whatever happens, I’ll be so excited to hear your thoughts on it !!!!! I’ve become a big fan of yours today, I really love your analysis and insight into mangas.
Both recaps and your analysis made me understand the story way better, since I'm big dumb dumb and a lot of stuff flies over my head the first time. I'll definetely be checking out your other stuff, keep it coming!
I think the reason why Chainsaw man is a dog is that they are both tie-down by chains. A chainsaw and dogs are both very chaotic and cause destruction in their path but both have chains. Chains represent in Media as "slavery". In order for a chainsaw to work it need chains and dogs to follow orders because they are in chains. Although Chainsaw man is chaos personified, he also can follow orders. Orders or control from Makima.
One reason Makima wasn't able to control Kishibe and Denji thruough her power is probably because they're both batshit insane. We know Denji's psyche can't be well developed due to his upbringing and later lack-there-of, and we can assume Kishibe to have suffered unimaginable losses and haunting experiences in his 30ish years career.
Adventure Time’s take on reincarnation would counter your idea that they forget who they were in the past life. Yes, Finn didn’t even know he lived a past life until he started to see an hallucination of his past self. Then he went through a process called Past Life Regression. It allowed Finn to experience the memories of who he once was. He was a girl named Shoko, a mercenary. She had a job to steal BP’s gem. However in the process they became friends before she died. Later in the episode when he finds Shoko’s corpse and BP is with him. He says to her that he is Shoko. Not, was Shoko but is. He still goes by Finn and acts how he was in his life before learning who he once was. But him and Shoko’s memories are now one. So depending on the direction Fujimoto wants for the blood devil, and possibly Power. He could have past life regression for her. We know why it would happen - so Power’s memories come back. But we wouldn’t know the how, yet - because it could be anything to trigger the past life regression. So the blood devil could have Power’s memories comeback. If Fujimoto wants to into the direction that past life regression is a thing in his world
"You can't appreciate life unless you accept death" Couldn't disagree more, both when it comes to media and a thousand times more when it comes to real life. Life rocks, and it would rock even if we lived without the concept of death. I'm not saying a story brings characters back can't feel cheap or it could simply not be what the author wants to portray. However people are too in love with the idea of low points of life give meanings to the high ones. You could live a life without ever knowing about the concept of death and be just as happy as someone who comes face to face with it.
I do also hope all the characters that are dead now stay dead, it will ground in and solidify all of denji’s losses and make his any possible new connections with new characters in CSM part 2 that much more meaningful. He knows what it is like to love and lose now to an extreme, that can change how he interacts with people into a whole different way. Maybe he’ll be scared to connect, fearful that any friend he makes he could lose, or maybe he’s more appreciative, more loving and open to others. I really really hope genuinely no one comes back, unless for some insane ass, universe, story twisting (in a good way) reason
Yoshida is a chad:
>shows up
>goes toe to toe with Quanxi
>leaves
He had finals coming, he needed to study. That's more important than this whole Gun Devil attack and Chainsaw-Man bullshit happening.
@@thecrow_4 Your comment killed me 😭
Not elaborating further is a chad move.
@@thecrow_4 i wonder if his schoolmates and teachers look forward to hearing about what he has to deal with as a private hunter
@@miq482 I think either they are afraid or just don't know.
It takes alot to own up to Mistakes and make a follow up to fix your mistakes. Super humble as well as professional. It clear you took the time to reread the manga and You took the feedback of the comment section. Looking forward to be finish this video. Just got my lunch so im ready.
The passion he have for chainsaw man is *INSANE*
The Control Devil made him do it.
I liked Makima not being empathetic, I liked hating her from the beginning, some villains are better when they are void of absolution because as a viewer it is natural to love to hate someone, that is why I respect the author so much for denying to develop her backstory
At this point, I've realized that the ambiguity surrounding Makima and her origin is much more interesting and valuable than any kind of literal or explicit details about her backstory.
I disagree that she was alive in WW2. The WW2 associated devils would have formed during the war and after but that does not mean they died during that war. They could have died at any point between 45 and 97. Otherwise good video, very enjoyable. Thanks. I can see Reze and Quanxi returning. I think the conflict between hybrids and Denji who now protects the Control Devil would be an interesting plot point. I think part 2 also needs to show the true death of a hybrid as that is sorely missing from the story. A visible true death of a hybrid would keep the tension that Denji can physically die which is somewhat weakened imo by the apparent immortality of hybrids.
Nah control devil would be working with war during ww2.
Think hitlers ability to control the masses. She could totally be Eva Braun or hell even their Daughter because the slow aging thing
You did an amazing job with this one man. Editing was really crisp and aesthetically pleasing to look at and you articulated your thoughts really well. Helped widen my perspective on certain aspects of the story as well. Again great job bro.
Your videos are just so easy to sit down and watch. Great job!
this was super interesting, i loved hearing your opinions and overall thoughts about part 1 ^^ keep up the good work
I think the lack of characterisation of the villains adds to the tragedy of Chainsaw Man: Throughout this, Denji is working for a boss who doesn't care about him, and killing people he doesn't know. All the conflicts except the conflict with Makima are impersonal (they only want his heart, they have no problem with Denji the human).
It also adds a bit to the realism - as a government special forces agent, he doesn't know the people he fights
Good video. You've summed up my thoughts on Makima and the tragedy of her character.
in the end pochita was underrated because we never seen him until the last fight with makima
Edit: And Kobeni is just what a normal human would react if they were in her position in this world, because if you're a normal human you wouldn't be there be smiling risking your life just to get this kind of job and the reason to that is you dont want to die that's just what a normal human instinct would say
(This is just my opinion and what i think don't take this opinion as serious and just take it with a grain of salt)
I really love that you put the AOT audio on Kobeni's story. I love AOT musics, and honestly it was to hard to listen to you talking cause I love that music, LMAO.
Yeah, Sawano is a goated composer
The thing i really didn't lime was the rushed fight with Makima. It wasn't becasue i wanted cool fight scene only, but because having her die in 1-2 chapters after starting fighting her and letting her die just because of Power's ability without any smart way of using the protagonists powers undermined her buildup as this incredibly strong foe who is always ahead of anyone and stronger than anyone.
However this rush nature is common in the whole manga. For example this great foe who is the gun devil (or to be fair the 20% gun devil), so strong that he seams unbeatable, gets killed the chapter after his reveal, off screen nonetheless. This rushy nature also hurt character developement and attachment to characters. In fact we aren't able to bond so well with characters like shark devil or angel devil whose death don't give this much of an impact. Also Aki's and Power deaths are much less felt by the reader than they could have been just because we didn't spend much time with them as the main focus. The only characters who stay in the main focus long enough to really care about are Denji and Makima, the forst one because he is always the focus of the actions, the second because she is always fishy so we pay much attenction to everything she does and both of fhem because most of the non plot related parts of the manga, the everyday life parts of characters stories, are about them alone.
Yoshida dose indeed come back in part 2
i was under the impression that devils have a personality, like how baby makima also wants someone to be equal with humans, or how angel barely remembers hell. it just made sense to me that devils would always be the same
Yeah, it has to do with Nature vs Nurture. It seems like devils in the CSM universe can have similar or identical personality traits across their different incarnations; like how you mentioned that both Makima and Nayuta desire equal connections with others because they are both the Control Devil. But beyond that, it's all up to Nurture, aka how they're raised. Makima was raised by the Japanese government as a tool, which is why she ended up with such a messed up personality. If Nayuta were to be raised the same way that Makima was, she would end up just like her. However, if Denji is able to nurture Nayuta the right way, she could probably end up as a pretty normal person.
23:37 imo the reason why people doesn't find this impactful is just lack of empathy, for me the door reveal was fucked up as hell
26:50 she said that just for calm Denji, like, "nothing is over"
sorry for necroposting btw :^)
Yeah, I think a lack of empathy could be a contributing factor, but I also think it just has to do with pacing and the timing of the reveal. It was very abrupt, and right after some other major story events, so I can see why people could react with "Oh um... okay?".
Yeah I agree, I feel like even though Power was being honest about her feelings by calling Denji her buddy, I think there's no way she can know for sure that the new Blood Devil can be "turned back into Power" in the literal sense.
the necropost is appreciated regardless lol
I believe that the Chainsaw Devil represents entertainment fear, the fear from horror movies or videogames. It's a strong and popular fear in humanity, and entertainment distracts people from other fears.
Nowdays, in most countries, war belongs to movies and games, they "ate" war.
Chainsaws themselves aren't feared, but they're iconic to entertainment horror, that's why the shark devil admires him, Sharks are feared mostly from movies than from the real animal.
This is my theory at least
It’s crazy that you said the seen with kobeni talking to denji was the first time you seen her as a normal person because to me she’s the most normal. Most real people would react like kobeni living under the circumstances she has.
Man I can not wait for dark devil to get animated
I only want, and expect power to come back... Somewhere very far in the series, having denji bring her back and try to make the same connection as he had at the beggining, but i bet the story would make her a diff character as denji would painfully accept the fact, she's a different blood fiend...
Possible video dissecting the look back one shot??? 👀
Yep, I plan to go through all of Fujimoto's other works eventually
this entire series is a more of rolllercoaster than AOT...dang what a masterpiece!!
komm susser todd at the end almost made me cry
ur first video was great! i like this one too.
I want Power to come back as the Blood Devil and Denji have an arc where he has accept she is gone forever how he knew her. That’d be pain incarnate. Imagine him having to fight the Blood Devil, he wins, and the Blood Devil resents him for the rest of the series despite wanting to keep Power’s request.
i don't think the reason makima looks human is because she's very fond of them. though i think she is in her own way in a fucked up way. i think it's because she's the control devil, an attractive human appearance and manipulative personality is simply better for control.
also i think her past isn't meant to be too elaborated on, that's why we never see all of her powers, she's meant to be mysterious and unkown, scary at times because you never know what she could do. so when denji finally kills her it's like taking down one of the titans in shadow of the colossus. this incredibly powerful unkowable thing taken down by humanity. it would feel too classic shonen for fujimoto's crazy style to have a backstory.
i agree with the death point though. that's the main reason i stopped reading to your eternity, they undid all of the deaths and kept the story going. as much as i love aki and power if they came back it would devalue the story unless it was as an ending.
This is way better than part 1, also I love your theory on Making, I thought the same thing but wasn’t sure. Just glad someone sees her the same as I did
I just fucking finished chainsaw man and the first video I’m fucking laughing my ass of it came out now
id like to think makima got spawn killed by the darkness devil because of what she did on the international assassins arc sorta funny
Bro I actually cried when Power died. Her holding Denji's 17th birthday cake was probably the saddest thing ever lol.
Yeah the cake was, pun sorta intended, the cherry on top of the misery cake. Literally the nicest thing she'd done in the entire series AND arguably the nicest thing anyone had ever done for Denji, and she just dies instantly, having no clue what's going on.
I don't think I would've ever recovered from that if it wasn't for the stupid fucking Chainsaw Man burger scene lifting my mood.
@@jacobnorris8256 i have a point about power having a clue. What if Power was already controlled by Makima? I can't be sure(and i hope i'm not), but isn't Power and Denji becoming so attached is part of Makima's plan, because Makima later said that every good moment in Denji's life was planned and controlled by her and every bad moment in Denji's life was too. What if ALL of CSM plot was controlled by Makima? What if Power and Aki was controlled by Makima all the time and was supposed to become so close to Denji so Makima can just take everything from him. Makima build Denji's ,,new perfect life" in order to destroy after and break Chainsaw Man's human side(Denji) so the real devil Chainsaw Man can appear. Or maybe I'm just getting braindead and should finally sleep some...
@@godersar1056 yes makima controlled denji life since from the day they first met building up to that moment to burst out the chainsaw man inside him
but that doesnt mean that aki and power love towards him were faked she was only leading and playing around to that moment she was not entirely controlling them all that time
but she did controlled aki to have an affection towards her its all part of the plan afterall
its sad that aki only realised it at the final moment
"The saddest thing ever...lol"
@@jacobnorris8256 that burger scene saved us from pure despair.
Kinda sad that Denji is basically living Makima’s life now almost all the people he loved are dead and he can’t die. Really smart writing on the authors part because it sets Denji up to be in a similar mindset and position Makima was in basically giving us more insight and a chance for the author to go deeper into Makima’s character through Denji’s eyes and he can do all this while keeping the mystique that gives Makima most of her charm.
Whatt I thought power got revived
@@aakashwaiba6968 she got revived, then died but before she died she made denji promise to find the blood devil again and befriend them over again
@@tastyjason4136 hopefully in part 2 we will see that
@@the_ideal_grease5565 I hope too
This comment hurt...
Someone had a very interesting theory about chainsawman being the chaos devil because he is uncontrollable and can break the rule of the devils immortality. But if he's the chaos devil, what's up with the chainsaws? Well, remember how he defeated that devil by drinking his blood to maintain his stamina and created a perpetual motion machine? This moment was a taste of how the chaos devil operates, by killing other devils he was able to become more terrifying and more powerful, being stronger only made him more fearsome thus creating a perpetual motion machine. Mabe the chainsaws are the representation of this circumstance, the perpetual motion. Also chaos is the opposite of control and mabe that's why makima was unable to control him and was that intrigued by him.
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8:17 can justify this even more
I like this theory
That could be the case, but it looks like NAMES are very important in this universe. I feel like that devil being called the "chainsaw devil" couldnt just be a mistake.
@@franciscopetrucci I don't know, you could leave a comment on the video and hopefully he'll respond but otherwise, it's a solid explanation to why chainsawman has that much power.
Honestly, if I want a character I like to come back from “death,” I want it to change the status quo that we knew previously of those characters. I think Power returning as a completely different person could be really good for Denji to develop and accept that the OG Power is gone.
The rise to power *salutes*
Have the new blood devil be a hypocondriac.
But…I miss power
I can see Denji desperately comparing the new blood devil to Power all the time and struggling to understand they’re different people and he can’t fulfill Power’s last wish…
@@hotaru_lau there’s definitely gonna be a moment of the new devil snapping and yelling at denji that they aren’t Power and probably won’t ever be
I feel like a Makima backstory is justified and perhaps necessary for one reason: Nayuta. If we are to believe that the Control Devil can be made relatively docile and kind, I think we must know the kind of events that happened in Makima's rearing that made her the way she was in the first place for context.
Also I disagree on the topic of Reze for a few reasons. Denji never actually saw her "die", he thinks she stood him up at the coffee shop. Even in the final battle it'd be easy to believe that Denji didn't notice her because he was hiding. Also the most likely place for her to be is probably locked away with all of the other weapon hybrids by the japanese government, considering all of their corpses could've been easily recovered at the site of the final battle with Makima. This isn't even mentioning the different opportunities that could be explored if she were alive. Maybe she doesn't even like Denji, maybe it was just her circumstances that lead her to believing that Denji was her best option at the moment, maybe she isn't into him at all given more freedom/a different situation. I think that'd be an interesting aspect of romance to explore.
Similarly I'd be fine with the Blood Devil appearing if it was clear that it would not and could not "become Power" again, it'd be interesting to see Denji deal with that.
I'd say Reze is definitely into Denji. With their similar upbringings and all that. But what really reinforces it was the fact that Reze knew Makima was watching over Denji and could track him, she knew it was pointless to run away together as she mentioned during their fight on the trucks but she still goes back to him. It was pretty much suicide and she should have known that, and I believe she did.
@@Asuraai Nah, Reze would've been more cautious then. Everyone in CSM know that Makims is powerful and dangerous yes. But they surely don't know about her being able to hear and see through animals. Makima could get wise of the president of the USA for example before the Gun Devil attacks. Reze was taken by surprise
Yeah everyone blindfoldedly loving Power while not being conscious that if it wasn't because Denji helped her get over her trauma all of the love between these 2 would've never occurred
Plus in all honesty most of this can be explained away by makimas powers. She’s after all a full devil, she’s not a variant so her powers are significant to say the least and do to her powers being control who’s to say she would even alow someone to die to begin with. And if they are dead who’s to disagree with the fact that she can most likely used necromancy because all she’s doing in the end is controlling the dead.
The world feared her more then the gun devil after all
Makima's rearing hehehe
About characters coming back, I would really enjoy Denji finding and facing the 'past devil' and having to face a twisted versión of Aki, Power and Reze (even his father) as he is confronted with his past mistakes.
Whoa, yeah I could totally see the "Past Devil" as really fertile ground for some interesting character development. Denji may have grown a lot, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have regrets, and there's no denying that many people are afraid of their past. (Plus, the Future Devil already exists, so yeah)
That's N amazing idea 💡💡💡
yo thats a great idea or maybe denji could revist them in a dream or something
that would propably be the regret devil. Im guessing it puts you in a dreamlike state where you live through the horrifying experiences until you are broken.
Yeah or the past devil shows something related to thstr
“Yoshida’s gonna come back in part 2” literally the second chapter 😂
holyshit the chainsaw man fandom is so great! being able to discuss logically and staying open minded is amazing
It’s great until we talks about who’s best girl
@@paulosasieta6944 Ah shit here we go again.
When the anime adaptation comes up, everywhere will be filled cringe fans tho... That's sad...
@@paulosasieta6944 its obviously kobeni's car
@@paulosasieta6944 i can see anyone tbh unless its makima. Fuck makima
With reze and quanxi, them coming back for part 2 is totally fine for me. They didn't really die in the first place, well they died in the same way that denji has "died". With makima's control gone it makes sense that they are just back in the story.
With Makima gone, Reze might be his new love interest. Especially since Part 2 is Denji at school, and Reze had also never been to school.
Ok but everybody of the "hybrid" can come back because theoretically they are immortal
@@TheRetroRoar hee hoh hey fella
there's a theory that the chainsaw man was once a really strong devil hunter who beared a chainsaw, and he was like so powerfull that the devils begin to associate him with the fear of being killed/erased, hence why pochita is the chainsaw MAN devil, and not just chainsaw devil. that would explain the erase power and the name
That actually makes sense it would explain why he was called chainsaw man and not just the chainsaw devil
Sounds like the DOOM Slayer ngl
Pochita then could it have been born out of fear coming from this devil hunter? devils are born out of fear of humans and the power of the chainsaw devil was born out of fear of devils? it makes sense but who know
And those who tasted the bite of his blade named him... THE CHAINSAW MAN.
@@conwaysquest6961 the bite of his SAW. Makes it funnier
Pochita doing weird things to fulfill denji's dream life but failing because of his increase in power basically sums up Makima's reason as to why she started viewing humans as loveable pets
Wow, that’s so true. Chainsaw Man and the Control Devil really weren’t that different at all, further solidified by the fact that Pochita said all he ever wanted was to be hugged. I bet Makima could have been a really different character had she let herself be influenced by Denji a bit like Pochita did.
@@animelvr329 fr, she longed for something like family, but manipulating people was not the way to do that, and she corrupted herself
lol I literally just watched “chainsaw man part 1” like 3 hours ago
Bruh same lmao
Same lol
Watched?
I just jumped here but I am LOVING these deep analysis in this video
Same
I really loved Makima as a character, I knew she had to die because of her views and I feel....satisfied. I imagine that she never really felt happiness so when she died, it must have felt like a blessing to her, she doesn't have to hold these burdens any longer, she can live within Denji who had loved her when no one else really did.
About the part where it´s mentioned how denji puts his life on the line for seemingly simple and primitive things: I think it´s actually a really good use of Maslow's hierarchy of needs (yk, the pyramid) where Denji starts from the very bottom of it and grows over the course of the series.
When talking about happiness in chainsaw man, it´s important to remember where denji comes from and that he´s just a 16 year old, having to deal with all of these fucked up issues, imo.
All in all, csm is a masterpiece for me, definitely one of the best manga I´ve ever read and I´m incredibly excited for the anime.
Thanks for the video btw, literally just watched the other one today, clicked on your channel and saw this one.
I agree 💯👍
Now that you mention it i really like and agree with what you said about maslows hierarchy. It specifies that base needs such as food and shelter must be met before higher tiers such as social standing and relationships can be attained.
As such, Denji who struggled to meet even the basic needs fought tooth and nail to attain them, but after getting them started to desire more and more of the higher levels.
Maybe somewhat of a stretch, but perhaps Makima who has already attained all the power she wants but cant experience true relationships strives so hard to become close to CSM, her one last hope for a relationship on equal terms.
@@mlqh Exactly! I also like the thought that Makima was on top of, if not far over the top of the pyramid, but desires to be at the bottom again. But because it´s not possible, she´s instead fascinated by CSM, who´s just as OP, if not more. Making them somewhat equal again.
So when we gonna have the dip in quality of videos? You’ve been on a hot streak ever since you started.
when I die, because then the quality will go from "passable" to *"nonexistent"*
FUCKIN SIIIIIIIMP
Oh wait until the anime comes. Schnoz will get an upgrade in his quality videos
@@SchnozMeister oooooooofffff
Just to clarify my point about character death; I'm not saying that bringing back "dead" characters (or characters that are presumed dead) is *always* a bad thing. But in order to make it work, authors need to: 1) Have a logical in-universe reason as to why the character either didn't die in the first place, or was able to come back from the dead, and 2) Do something interesting with the character that justifies their return.
In the case of Chainsaw Man, I feel like the character arcs we got with characters like Power and Reze were complete enough that they wouldn't really need to return. Yes, they end in tragedy, but that's kind of the point. (Although, it would have been cool if there was a moment dedicated to Denji recognizing Reze among the Hybrids, and realizing that Makima 'killed' and took control of her). However, that's not to say that it would be totally *impossible* for characters like the Hybrids to return, and even for characters like Reze, Quanxi, and Katana Man to still have new, compelling character arcs. I just personally think that it's unlikely, since there would have to be some serious caveats to logically justify their presence in the story. But like I said, I could be totally wrong, and if Fujimoto can find a way to keep these characters interesting, then it's all good. And one thing I want to make clear is that whether I'm right or wrong about this; I want Fujimoto to make *his* story the way *he* wants it to be.
I mean, how sick would it be if Part 2 of Chainsaw Man opened on Denji walking into class, only to see Reze sitting next to the only empty desk? (This is pretty wishful all things considered, but hey you never know)
hey, uhhh, i dont know how to say this.
you're a great manga analysis youtuber, you even comeback for correcting your previous mistakes, that must be takes a lot of willpower.
uhhh, please, dont let your channel died after everything you've done to make the manga community alive.
please dont give up until you've read my web manga.
You know, I think it's kind of the point.
When Reze, Quanxi and Katana Man came back, they weren't the same, being best shown by their new outfits.
Makima depraved them from their own personality, standardized them, and made them nothing more than the weapons they represent.
We see the Bomb devil and the Crossbow devil in a human form, not Reze and Quanxi.
That's the same as that moment on the beach, when Makima uses several characters' powers to fight the Gun devil. It just goes to show that she ever only cared about what people could her to achieve.
Anyway, I'm glad you're still talking about this masterpiece, I can't wait to see if the anime adaptation is any good.
Hope you keep enjoying what you do !
Imagine Denji walking in, seeing Reze smiling at him, and he just walks out and he’s like “I’m going back to sleep.”
Also I think they reference Reze going to school way to much to not having her be in the “Academia arc” that’s going to be part 2.
U should read and review KAIJU nu.8
i agree 100%. i want to compare this to my thoughts on another series but obviously i dont want to spoil anything, so ill try to be brief/vague.
so a character dies and it is hinted at the end he may return in a sequel or something. i love the character and i would be happy to see him alive, but it just wouldnt make work thematically. his death is so extremely powerful and it ties in with so much in the story. as much as it pains me, he shouldnt come back, it would undermine his arc and the effect it has, especially on the reader. the deaths in chainsaw man are the same way. of course we would all love to see denji reunite with his friends but it could dismantle so much development and meaning if done the wrong way
Makima not having a backstory was refreshing for me. I didn’t want her to have a redeeming quality, and even if her backstory wasn’t a tragic one (although It most likely was since she was ultimately a tool they groomed for destruction), it’s what makes her actions all the more gut wrenching. From controlling Aki’s emotions of getting him to “like” her, while Himeno pinned after him so badly, to making Angel destroy his whole village. Then of course what she ends up doing to Aki and Power. For me, it solidified her as a full cutthroat villain who really was out to create the illusion of a beautiful life for Denji, only to destroy it. They say that one is neither purely good or evil, but I love that Fujimoto blurred the lines with Makima by not giving her a backstory and letting it be up to the readers to interpret.
Yeah, my thoughts on this have changed since making this video so I lean more towards just implications and ambiguity over a blatant flashback or backstory.
I would say that we dont need backstory of some villains in stories. If she had like nice backstory there she was used we just would fell sorry for her. She doesnt need to get like reasons to love her more.
Going off of what was said in the video, I would have appreciated flashbacks for Makima if only for the purpose of learning more details about her, not in a hashtag-tragic-anime-backstory kind of way. Heck, it even could have been things that made her LESS sympathetic. It’s just a treat to get extra bits of lore about interesting and well written characters like Makima.
Reze was never dead, the hybrids are basically immortal so I'd expect them to show up in part 2. It did feel like a bit of an ass pull when power came back just to die a second time so quickly, especially since if CSM knew power was alive as blood he would have probably resurected her sooner.
Reze is dead bro, accept it people always try to say the same thing but that’s not how it works
And power isn’t alive the blood devil is
@@Noname-gm5om She isnt dead, its pretty hard to argue she is since she was seen alive in chapter 94. You also compleatly missed my point about power.
@@Noname-gm5om reze isnt dead thats not how it works and he meant if power could come back because of the blood then what was stopping pochita from doing it earlier?
Also, jack, from my perspective he was proccupied throughout the entire transformation bar that moment between kobeni starting to dance and him and the hybrids meeting up, it didnt really give him time to think on it imo
@@Noname-gm5om Reze is an Hybrid,she can't die unless someone takes her heart...it's explained in the manga,not some fan theory
I HIGHLY recommend reading the authors second created manga “FIREPUNCH” (chainsawman is his third). It really shows the story style of the author especially with the movie aspect that you were discussing. Movies in Fire punch are extreme plot points.
The end of FirePunch is ultra weird just like The End of Evangelion.
Ah yes, my favourite kind of story telling, existential dread.
No hate, love FIREPUNCH and CHAINSAWMAN but God damn both of em really messed up with my head
honestly the whole "dead characters coming back" thing is the hardest for me. i get too attached to the characters and cry when they die and while i accept that csm isnt that kind of story, and that thematically and narratively itd be better and make more sense if they didnt come back, deep down i cant help but wanting to see them back. like shit, all i want is to see aki, denji and power living toghether happily, but i know after everything, that cant happen. still, i have high hopes for part 2, and cant wait for the anime adaptation!
loved these two videos dude, im definitely subscribing now, hope to see more content like this in the future!
Thanks dude, and yeah I totally get where you're coming from. It would be sick to see the gang hanging out again, but in the long run I think that narrative and thematic consistency are king.
Aki was my favorite character, but I would absolutely hate if he came back to life. His death is my personal favorite moment in the entire manga, it would completely undermine such a beautiful and heart-wrenching scene.
Yup, gotta preserve the integrity of the tragedy. Although, it seems like characters like Aki and Power are gonna get a bit more screentime in Fujimoto's upcoming CSM short stories collection. Not sure if it's out or translated yet though
@@SchnozMeister I haven't heard of that! Looking forward to it!
ok but isnt it canon that weather report does not have a hat and that unfortunately that's his hair
honestly i just think chainsaw man is somehow a 9/10 masterpiece, in my mind it has little to no imperfections yet can’t reach a full 10/10 just yet
Maybe it's that Part 2 is still coming?
@@commonviewer2488 yup I was just about to comment this. The story is not over…yet
I am a easy going person so it's 10/10
yeah, because it’s not over yet
@Abrupt Segue a 71? come on man this story is way better than that.
The Four Horsemen are going to be an integral part of the plot moving forward... and if they're involved, then the weapon hybrids are going to be, too. Reze and Quanxi are almost certainly coming back in some form. I can't help but feel the similarities in how Fujimoto wrote Reze's backstory was in service for what may have been the burgeoning ideas of Part 2 in his mind, because not only is she of similar age to Denji, but she's also never gone to school and represented the first serious object of affection for Denji that stood counter to Makima. This would have worked just fine as a tragic parallel to Denji, but after seeing her and all the weapon hybrids battle Chainsaw Man at the end, I can't help but feel they'll all be back in some capactiy.
The next arc is called the "High School Arc"... Denji, on some level, is going to try experiencing "normalcy" while indulging in the Chainsaw Man persona he presents to the public. I cannot imagine the logistical contrivances that would be needed to keep this farce going -- not just because of Nayuta but also because of the insanely hot commodity Denji has become to not only devils but international espionage. Kishibe almost certainly contrived him a deal with the government, along with covert protection from foreign adversaries for such a way of living to be even feasible. Reze works not only as a continued representative of one of the biggest foreign adversaries, but also an emotional attachment/vulnerability that Denji will have to continue to work through in the story.
I expect probably the first third or half of Part 2 to be a faux-slice-of-life with interspersed devil/hunter fights and more of Denji finding himself, but with the second half kicking things into high-gear in a setup for the apocalypse. I personally think Part 3 will be all about the apocalypse itself, but in the case it ends with Part 2, then we get that as the climax.
imagine how insane things will get if part 2 is about fighting the 4 horsemen and the apocalypse
I feel like the fast pacing of makima defeating the gun devil in one chapter can be thought of as makima being introduced as the new antagonist and it shows how much stronger of one she is too. These are just my thoughts on the fly tho.
Yeah as much as I think Makima's fight with the Gun Devil was anti-climactic, it's kind of a clever way to show just how insanely powerful Makima is.
I find curious that much like Chainsaw Man itself, your video needed a part 2.
And like the first one, it was excellent! (Also, the music selection was godly as well)
Here's hoping that Chainsaw Man Part 2 does the same.
Yep. Let's just pretend it was intentional :^)
Him: I received criticism and grew from it
Me: I felt his first video was really nice 👍
Technically speaking Makima saw the Devils of Nazi's, Nuke etc not the actual events. Also Reze is not dead
Reze should definitely come back to her former self. She's a hybrid like Denji which basically makes her immortal. With Makima dying, the spell on Reze is probably broken. We can assume she's back in the ussr after breaking from Makima's spell. Also Reze's death had no impact on Denji since he's unaware of it. Only the chainsaw devil encountered and fought her(not Denji himself). Would be bad writing in part 2 if Denji finds out about it and just gets over it in a few chapters. One thing about chainsaw man's charm is the relationships. I agree with Aki staying dead and with power coming back but not as the same person anymore because those deaths denji saw in front of his eyes and had an impact on his character, and even broke him. Meanwhile all Denji knew about Reze was that she was leaving and eats flowers as acceptance that Reze has left him. It would be an underwhelming conclusion to their relationship if Denji just finds about her death and not experience it. Also I think Reze returning matches with part 2's theme of highschool. Reze after breaking from Makima's spell would try to find Denji but gets caught by the ussr and has her brainwashed and forget her memories. They could make her a spy having her attend the same school as denji. I know Fujimoto has new characters in store for us that are going to be amazing, but when it comes to romance no one beats Reze. And I think even if the conclusion of her relationship with Denji isnt going to be happy, it deserves more development and chapters. Even if Reze actually ends up dying for real, I think it should happen in Denji's arms.
I could see something like that happening, there'd definitely have to be some kind of caveat to her return if she does end up coming back.
The reason why denji couldn't bring himself to kill makima is because despite everything that she had done to denji, makima is still the first person that saved him from loneliness
second* pochita was first
Regarding Power's contract with Denji, I strongly believe Power really meant exactly what she said, and that made it in my opinion the most hard hitting moment in the story. Yes, Power lies a lot, but she is selfish more than anything. She found happiness or self fulfiillment being with Denji, so her contract with him is meant to have hopes that she could go back to him and to that content state.
Power also became very physically attached to Denji after her experience in Hell, leaving her scarred and scared to death, and her physicality with him in her last moments really shows that Denji is her safe haven. Knowing that she would reincarnate and maybe have to go through all that again or even worse, led her to save Denji and sacrifice for him so that she could, in the future, have a safe place again.
Also remember Power's theme is based on cats, and we all know cats really attach themselves to humans who make them feel safe and looked after. Sure, Denji doesn't spoil her to death, but in the dark context of the story, it actually really makes sense. It's more so that she spoils herself by being around him, just like some cats gently rub themselves against people to draw attention on themselves.
It's just a lot of cat behaviour that is at the core of how Power thinks and is. It's the same as how Makima/Nayuta and Denji are thematically based on dogs. Viewing the dynamic between Power and Denji from that perspective adds a whole new angle to their connection. And trust me, a cat that loves their home, will always want to come back to and only to That place that is their home.
Lastly, Denji actually turning the new Blood devil back into Power is actually truly possible considering the idea of how a devil's personality and purpose after their (re)incarnation can be shaped by human interraction, is introduced and expanded upon by Kishibe in the last chapter. If the Makima version of the Control devil can be molded and constructed by a government, and if the Nayuta version of the same devil can be nurtured and maintained by Denji, who is actually given the task of not letting the control devil turn back into the Makima version, then it is 100% possible for him to also turn the Blood devil back into the Power version.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense, but even if that were the case it still wouldn't be the same exact Power from part 1. For one thing, she wouldn't have her human body and would instead be in her true devil form. And even if Denji was able to befriend her all over again, she still probably wouldn't regain her memories. Best case scenario; It would essentially be like if Power kept her personality but had memory loss.
HOWEVER, considering that a contract is involved, I guess it isn't entirely impossible that there could be some shenanigans that allow her to regain her memories. But one thing I'm almost certain of is that she probably won't look the same, since the human body she was inhabiting got bisected by Makima.
Thanks for commenting dude, I never really connected the thematic through line with Power and cats v.s. Denji with dogs, it's interesting to think about.
@@SchnozMeister Yes, I always thought that Power 2.0 would not regain her memories and that Denji would have to work pretty hard to be able to "change her back". But now that I think about it, I thought the opposite about Nayuta and how there could be a high risk that she would remember if she came in contact with certain things that would pull her back to the dark side.
Memories of past lives after reincarnation is a concept that has roots in real life stories. But ofc we are talking about devils here, and even though Makima and Power were devils with a very humane state, it's still something not completely defined by Fujimoto.
“she couldn’t revive if he ate her out…. of love” THE WAY I WAS SO CAUGHT OFF GUARD FOR A QUICK SEC
Hi, I wanted to give my 2 cents on the date night with Makima at the movies. I think the interpretation that Makima was crying due to the movie is incorrect, though that is how the story is potrayed - through Denji's eyes. We see him looking back and forth between the movie on the screen and Makima to see if the movie was interesting at all. When we get to the movie that Makima is crying at, it was actually Denji who cries first from the way we read it. He then looks to Makima and sees she is also in tears, perhaps to solidify his weird reaction to the movie and creating a sort of "moment" between the two.
Denji is first to cry, but if we think of movies having an impact on our feelings, then it is really the Chainsaw devil that is crying during that movie. We don't see what Makima was doing before he started crying until he looks over to her. So in my interpretation, Makima noticed Chainsaw man crying and turned on the waterworks herself. This was all a ploy for her to create the bond between the two of them since she is ultimately the Control devil.
I thought that she and Denji were crying because Pochita and the Control Devil wanted to be hugged.
I think some of the Hybrids might come back especially the underdeveloped ones I think it could show how it feels to be used by Makima and if they have a grudge against Denji Nayuta & Chainsaw Man
Also Quanxi’s relationship with Kishibe
But about Reze I think her reaction to Denji attending high school could be interesting but I don’t know if it would detract from her send off
These videos have really given me appreciation for Makima as a character... I was kind of exhausted with the grimdarkness by late Chainsaw Man but now I want to reread it with fresh eyes and perspective.
Thank you man, that's one of the main reasons I make these videos so I'm glad to hear it 👍hope you enjoy your re-read, you should check out the official colored version, it's pretty sick
Just finished reading the entirety of Chainsaw man and came across both your videos. I don't have anything insightful particularly to add, but I just want to say thank you for making them. They helped add clarity and meaning to what I just read and make the experience better because of it :)
eyy I appreciate it dude. It's been a while since I made these, so I've realized that some of my takes/interpretations are kinda wack, so take them with a grain of salt lol. But regardless, I'm glad you enjoyed em' :^)
My interpretation of the Chainsaw Devil's special ability is that the Chainsaw Devil isn't necessarily a being born from the fear of a chainsaw akin to the other devils, but rather, of the devils' fear of humankind's resilience, tenacity, and willpower. My personal immediate associations with chainsaw (barring Leatherface lmao) are characters like Ash Williams from the Evil Dead series, who just absolutely annihilate whatever terrors come their way in bloody glory, and I think that's the association you're meant to derive from the Chainsaw Devil. Really though, thematically, that's what the Chainsaw Devil does. It embodies the human strength to overcome fear and reduces specific fears to nothing, both figuratively and literally.
I also think that this is why Makima has such a fondness/respect for Chainsaw Man. Given that she views humans like how humans view dogs, if my interpretation is correct, Chainsaw Man is like a dog that's been distilled down to the purest, most endearing, most defining traits that a dog can have.
Honestly I don't really mind the under developed secondary characters on Chainsaw Man cuz one thing I hate the most in anime is when they give to much backstory to every single character in the anime. Just like in real life, you know more about the people that are closest to you than those who you just recently met, and I think chainsaw man encapsulates that idea pretty well without giving the anime flashback bullshit every 2 seconds like other shonen anime.
I agreed with a lot of what you said but there is a moment that I think is easily overlooked that just made the ending so much more meaningful to me. When control’s reincarnation requests a slice of bread for a meal I couldn’t help but think that this was to symbolize the potentially similar upbringings of denji and makima, that both just wanted a normal life with someone they could be happy with but due to the hardships of life that they were dealt whether they were being used by the yakuza and the public safety devil hunters or the government for their own goals and in order to deal with there painful lives they found a way to get past it for Denji it was to accept the bad bc without it the good wouldn’t mean as much whereas makima decided to get rid of the bad so that only the good was left. So by having a slice of bread be the beginning of denji’s character arc and having a the same thing be the ending of makima’s not only shows what makima’s past may have been like denji’s but also that control’s future would end up as bright and happy as Denji’s (not that denji’s ending is all rainbows and sunshine but at the end he is smiling and seems happy)
Fascinating. My take on Kobeni and Denji's talk regarding the "normal" life is more or less basic. Makima's overall goal was to give Denji everything he wants in "normal" life; food, shelter, playing games, a brother and sister in aki and power; then take it all away so that he couldn't live "normally" anymore thus nullifying his contract with pochita. This allowed the true Chainsaw Man (or whatever Devil he is) to take control which Makima would like to fight and defeat so that she can take control of him and his op power. Denji was willing to give up thereafter but with his talk and new contract with Power along with the "normal" life take with Kobeni, he realized that there is more to what he thought was normal and aspired for more (he'd like steak for breakfast instead of bread and jam, he'd like 5 girlfriends and tons of ...) thus pushing him to fight Makima once more.
Makima not having an explicit plot dump moment is great, and I think key to the story?
I feel like it put us (the-reader/the-community) in Denji's shoes. We know she's up to something, people including ourselves act different around her, but all Denji cares about is getting those sweet boobas.
When her dastardly plan came to fruition, it was all that more shocking and evil. But because we/Denji don't know shit, there is still love for her, and she needs to be eaten so Denji could get in a way that broke her contract.
And then at the end of all her reincarnation asks if he wants to ride that crazy ride again and he straight up says "fuck that shit"
Yeah, the ambiguity of Makima's backstory is definitely intentional and meant to push the theme of ignorance for Denji's narrative, but like I said in the vid, I just want a _taste,_ a few pages would have done the trick; just like Aki and Power's backstories. They're short, but they convey a lot of information and contextualize their motivations and development throughout the entire rest of the story.
I've honestly found my peace with Makima's backstory, it's been months since I made these two videos and I've had plenty of time to just get over it and appreciate what we got lol. If it comes up later in the manga somehow, cool, if not then that's completely fine.
Personally, I feel that Makima's inability to control Denji at the end is not so much because he defeated her in combat, but more because, even after all that she had made him go through, he still had the resilience to live freely.
She tortured him so much, to the point where his existence was null and all that was left was the true Chainsaw Devil.
She says it herself in chapter 95: "How can I get you to give up on this world, Denji?" "What do I need to do for you to turn back into Chainsaw Man?"
And after supposedly killing him, he still showed that was not willing to surrender. She didn't even try at this point. She didn't even have to see him as an equal, trying to control him was just pointless. She already did everything she could to break him, and yet he still prevailed.
if we had the "dead" characters come back, i would like them to be different people but maybe still have references to their former self. like say if the gun devil and denji ever encounter each other again, he'd be reminded of aki. but i agree on the basis that they should not come back as who they were before
Regarding dead characters coming back I feel like a really good way to do it is have it be temporary or not a true revival. Spoilers for persona 5 royal
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I love what they did with akechi’s “revival” he didn’t have much going for him in the first game so to put more focus on him makes his death more impactful. But when he returns it is confusing as hell. You don’t know if he’s truly alive or not. And that makes the question of should we stop maruki an actual question. The player has to ask themselves if they’d choose akechi vs the world, and if akechi is still alive would they be endangering everyone for no reason? And I love how there’s never a clear answer after you beat the palace, he disappears but the protagonist sees what he thinks to be him at the last cutscene. So you never get an answer to justify your decision. And yes there was a leak saying he was originally supposed to be alive and in some type of therapy but they removed for a reason. I think the story is better if you don’t know.
Y'know what that's actually a pretty good comparison, and I totally agree that Akechi is 1000% better in Royal compared to vanilla P5. More characterization in the main story, and we get to see another side of his true self in Maruki's reality. And I def agree on the ambiguity too, I feel like it's much more interesting than "oh he's fine, just in jail or therapy".
If a similar thing were to happen in Chainsaw Man, I think that would be sick. Like maybe there's some kind of devil that can fuck with Denji mentally or make him remember the stuff that happened between him and the dead characters from Part 1. Hallucinations, psychological attacks, that kinda stuff. I agree that temporary is the way to go.
I could watch your chainsaw man videos for hours, at first I was dissatisfied by the ending thinking it was rushed. You really change my perspective into loving characters I hated before.
Glad you enjoyed em' :^]
I'm not sure if it applies or it was translated correctly from the original in the first place, but if this is true, Power forming a contract with Denji is truly heartbreaking. In the Infinity Devil arc, Aki said that fiends can't form contracts. I don't think I've seen it either as far as I know. So Power telling Denji to find her, may not have been a contract. Just her way of trying to convince Denji to keep living, even if it means making a meaningless promise to keep moving forward.
Okay, so I re-read that part and Aki's exact words are "fiends and devils can't make contracts with each other", (this is from the physical North American version I have) and since Denji is a human, I don't think that restriction would necessarily apply, but like I mentioned in the video, I'm pretty sure that Power's contract will have some kind of caveat.
@@SchnozMeister thinking of it, denji still had power's blood to fight makima with, even after power showed herself one last time. So I guess the contract is legit. Still, as tragic as it is, i would've loved the story going that way as a sendoff of Power, with part 2 having Denji dealing with her loss and learning to get over it after realizing that he can't just bring her back. Could have been a great subtle way of telling the true meaning of that promise and Denji's growth as a character.
I just finished reading Chainsaw Man today, and I absolutely love it! Although, I can't help but wonder how Nayuta looks almost exactly like Reze but in a child form together with Makima's eyes. Reze and Makima, the two characters Denji fell in love with, all into one person.... just wow, or maybe I'm overthinking about it XD I'm not sure if this was intentional by the creatoror rather something coincidental , but if it was intentional, that sure is interesting to look into. This was a great video btw, your analysis of the manga is amazing and really helps clear a lot of things up from the story ^^
Chainsaw man was there through the hardest year of my life, hopefully people also find meaning as deep and enjoyable as you did and as I did. Keep making vids like this bruh!
Same man, I keep getting bad luck after bad luck recently in my life and I’ve reached my limit, chainsaw man is a cool and meaningful story and it really helped me as a form of escapism
Haha, well same with me, it's been a bad, no, it feels like a hell I've been through in my daily life and this just helps me escape
On 98% of your take on everything chainsaw man I strongly agree with it all, it feels well thought out and (for lack of a better word) satisfying to see it come together under a full breakdown.
The fact you used eye-water (call of silence) when talking about Denji's Despair hurts me expecially remembering lines from that ost like "you will know you're reborn tonight, must be rough but i'll stay by your side" since it reminds me so much Denji and his relationship with other characters like Power and Ponchita (and maybe Aki)
There are way too many doors in Chainsaw man. There are doors in hell, Power dies when Denji opens the door, Aki dies when Denji opens the door, and finally, it could be argued, Denji kills his father when the door is opened... Its kind of strange and makes me guess what all those doors mean..
I always thought it was Denji going mad, but it being Pochita and Pochita being this overpowered devil who's trying to help Denji gives the panels a lot more context for me
I think it takes a lot of confidence to admit you are wrong, or just being open to hearing other people's opinions and interpretations on things in general so to that, I highly commend you. What a great attribute to have especially as a content creator. Now I just want to say I was just floored by your deep analysis on this series and just how multifaceted and layered this series was. I knew that had to have been something there with that Makima/Denji movie theater scene but I just couldn't figure out what it was. Anyway from start to finish you have make amazing content, keep up the good work and I hope you accomplish everything that you have your heart/mind set to on this youtube journey.
Man I feel conflicted about seeing a second part without Hayakawa.
I haven't processed his death yet.
Man you aced your prediction that yoshida was coming back in part 2 lol
Eh, in hindsight it was pretty obvious, but even then it went completely over my head in my previous video so don't give me too much credit lol
Damn you for breaking my last cope about power coming back
Seethe and mald just don't eat me pls Mr.Fazbear
Makima was extremely delusional about Chainsaw Man 'cause what she was so obsessed with was his extreme power and chaotic traits, but she never really tried to look in his inner proccess. All she saw was someone she could not control. Chainsaw Man always tried to "help" always tried to "do-the-right-thing" it was just that the world was too fragile for that type of love. "All I wanted was a hug," - coming from someone who has chainsaw for the hands is pretty much a tragedy itself.
20:25, Makima doesn't necessary need to live through WWII. Nazi devil can be spawn after the concept of Nazi exist for a while, just like the gun devil. Honestly the origin of a devil is still a myth
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The sequel we never knew we needed
Personally I don't fully agree with the statement that bringing back a character ruins the impact of their death. I do think it's often one of the most poorly handled concepts in manga (And I don't see how Chainsawman would go with it) but the concept itself isn't an instant story negative. For instance I think that Yu Yu Hakusho handles the death and resurrection of Genkai great with the impact of her death on Yusukes character still being there and not reverted at all when she comes back but also the fact that it ends up being a perfect tie in to the end of Toguros character arc and backstory. Honestly the only complaint I can give to it is that they also just revealed Kuwabara who was also "Dead" was actually faking it like an episode before Genkai comes back but it also doesn't negate the impact and frustration Yusuke had about not being able to protect his friends even after getting a nifty power up to fight Toguro. Once again I don't know how Chainsawman would handle the concept and I don't really think it should tryvit myself but it's not an impossible thing to write well into the plot.
I agree 1000% about the people who died shouldn’t come back. it was great seeing their backstory and their time being alive. the only person I can see coming back is power
I’m really excited to see how the second arc plays out with the rest of the horseman devils coming out- well at least war and famine. I wonder if we’re going to get more backstory on Makima here (did they grow up together? Famine looks very similar to makima, at least in hair and eyes, and the horseman devils are reffered to as siblings. Is makima conquest?). Maybe through this arc, we’ll learn more about Makima, and I’ll be curious to see what it could imply, considering her true goal was to be equal to humans and have a family right? So if she was raised with the horseman devils or smth, how does that play into it? Whatever happens, I’ll be so excited to hear your thoughts on it !!!!! I’ve become a big fan of yours today, I really love your analysis and insight into mangas.
Yeah I think a lot of my takes in these vids were jumping the gun, as Part 2 wasn't out at the time. Hey I appreciate it tho glad you enjoyed the vids
Fujimoto: Random bullshit Go!
Csm fans: Hhmmmmm yes… (proceeds to interpret every little thing)
Please post a video about part 2 🙏🏽. I’d love to see an analysis from u. Especially about yoshida and other new characters
Not out of the question, but it would take a long time. Got other vids i wanna do first
@@SchnozMeister sounds good, I’ll be waiting 👍🏽
Both recaps and your analysis made me understand the story way better, since I'm big dumb dumb and a lot of stuff flies over my head the first time. I'll definetely be checking out your other stuff, keep it coming!
Thanks dude, glad I could help and glad you enjoyed!
These videos really ended up making me appreciate Chainsaw Man for what it was despite it finishing 7 months ago. Got me really excited for Part 2.
I think the reason why Chainsaw man is a dog is that they are both tie-down by chains. A chainsaw and dogs are both very chaotic and cause destruction in their path but both have chains.
Chains represent in Media as "slavery". In order for a chainsaw to work it need chains and dogs to follow orders because they are in chains. Although Chainsaw man is chaos personified, he also can follow orders. Orders or control from Makima.
One reason Makima wasn't able to control Kishibe and Denji thruough her power is probably because they're both batshit insane.
We know Denji's psyche can't be well developed due to his upbringing and later lack-there-of, and we can assume Kishibe to have suffered unimaginable losses and haunting experiences in his 30ish years career.
19:00 makima's theme
excellent choice. the guy who made it is very talented
Yeah and it was super nice of them to let me use it for this video, hopefully they get some more recognition for their work
Adventure Time’s take on reincarnation would counter your idea that they forget who they were in the past life. Yes, Finn didn’t even know he lived a past life until he started to see an hallucination of his past self. Then he went through a process called Past Life Regression. It allowed Finn to experience the memories of who he once was. He was a girl named Shoko, a mercenary. She had a job to steal BP’s gem. However in the process they became friends before she died. Later in the episode when he finds Shoko’s corpse and BP is with him. He says to her that he is Shoko. Not, was Shoko but is. He still goes by Finn and acts how he was in his life before learning who he once was. But him and Shoko’s memories are now one.
So depending on the direction Fujimoto wants for the blood devil, and possibly Power. He could have past life regression for her. We know why it would happen - so Power’s memories come back. But we wouldn’t know the how, yet - because it could be anything to trigger the past life regression. So the blood devil could have Power’s memories comeback. If Fujimoto wants to into the direction that past life regression is a thing in his world
Guess you can say this video is almost titled as…
Schnoz Meister’s Chainsaw Man Was Almost Perfect video Was Almost Perfect
*Duh duh, tssss*
"You can't appreciate life unless you accept death"
Couldn't disagree more, both when it comes to media and a thousand times more when it comes to real life.
Life rocks, and it would rock even if we lived without the concept of death. I'm not saying a story brings characters back can't feel cheap or it could simply not be what the author wants to portray. However people are too in love with the idea of low points of life give meanings to the high ones.
You could live a life without ever knowing about the concept of death and be just as happy as someone who comes face to face with it.
Different strokes I guess. Personally, I don't think being ignorant of death as an inevitability is a good mindset.
I do also hope all the characters that are dead now stay dead, it will ground in and solidify all of denji’s losses and make his any possible new connections with new characters in CSM part 2 that much more meaningful. He knows what it is like to love and lose now to an extreme, that can change how he interacts with people into a whole different way. Maybe he’ll be scared to connect, fearful that any friend he makes he could lose, or maybe he’s more appreciative, more loving and open to others. I really really hope genuinely no one comes back, unless for some insane ass, universe, story twisting (in a good way) reason
Absolutely exactly this ^