When you were thinking it needed faster, and fatter pixies, I almost screamed. I thought I told you, it was connected to a 12v PWM controler. I'm really glad it worked out ok.
hey man - really appreciate you sending this in for Ave to dick around with - was fun watching someone play with shit I've never seen or heard of before. Thank you! :)
My heart skipped a few beats thinking our hydraulic bartending robots dreams were coming true finally. Not quite click bait but almost. Lmao. Great vid though I miss you’re optimistic younger self. Almost as much as I miss my optimistic younger self.
"These are tougher than hell." Proceeds to put 12x the voltage and 6x the current though it - AND IS DISAPPOINTED it didn't work. The rest of us are SHOCKED that nothing died, human or electronicals....
Well honestly all we love ave, but i noticed that he is a great mechanic but less about pixies.. So I expect some mess when he started to use the welder..then the smoke came. It was so fun! We love you ave you are the best!
Hahaha. Yeah. I was also shocked. Al my work (Hydro-electric plant) we use 0-10 mA to drive the pilot valves for the servos of our 40MW Hydroelectric generators.....
That might be a change in a/v gear, but I do think he's gotten quite a bit more comfortable talking to himself. Maybe he had a sit down with the the better 3/4 to let her know it's not Alzheimer's it's just youtube
I really enjoy your hydraulic videos. I've always had trouble understanding electrical systems probably because you can't actually see the parts moving, but I find hydraulics to be almost intuitive. I know the two systems are fundamentally similar, but I've never been able to overcome the cognitive gap. Thank you so much for your work.
At 8:00 , I saw that coming. One could just get some numbers off of the damn thing and look it up. Most proportional coils I've seen have the voltage range stamped right into them. Have fun rebuilding the hydraulic rotators if you ever have to. I have rebuilt many of them back in my equipment wrenching days. They are used many times at the platform to boom connection on aerial work platforms. The smaller rotator looks like a Helac brand. If you do tear it down, putting things in the freezer may be necessary to put it back together.
To The Top Crane Not only saw that coming, but could calculate it! At 28 ohms, one amp will output 28 Watt of power, which is way too much for such a small device without dedicated cooling.
I work in a paper mill. That is so true. Tons of the equiptment is well over 40 years old and has been been rebuilt or fixed counless times. A lot of times when something lets the smoke out they look for used parts because some of it isnt in production or is super expensive.
If you are still working on this project and need a joystick selection, check out the Hall Effect Gimbal from a RC Radio company called FrSky. As implied it is hall effect so the resolution is amazing and they don't suffer from twitch like conventional pot ones. They are a must have for us pleebs that fly racing drones.
Glad you got it figured out. Also, I received my ruler kits the other day and have successfully got them together. I did increase the chooch factor a tad by installing a plutonium core in place of the 3v cell. It works just great... So much so that when I test fired it I vaporized the neighbours house...:) Peace:)
hoooly smokes. I miss this old stuff. great vid bud. You've been a little eccentric and caught up in your brand lately, but I cant say I blame you since i see your followers on literally all corners of youtube. Don't get me wrong, i still thoroughly enjoy your current content, and learn a bunch. Just tend to prefer the now aging, more relaxed ones. Sincerely. Thanks for all the vids.
1st time I went in a wood mill(Georgia pacific) was a huge eye opener . could not believe how tight wadded these jokers were. and black ash every freaking where. every piece of equipment I saw was either boot legged or about to be beyond bootlegging
Omg, I was screaming at my phone when you kept ramping up the voltage, lol. The solenoids need hydraulic pressure in addition to the voltage to make it move. When I'm checking them I take them out and the spool moves freely by hand. Glad you didn't fry them.
My girlfriend of years just broke up with me, a few minutes in the shop with uncle bumble fuck is just what I needed to drown my clapped out cardiodal chest meat in 100 proof cutting fluid. Thank you.
I though this project died. Glad it got shared with us freeloaders. I remember the hydraulic rotatory nerd our video. Now i know where they originated. Thank you for sharing.
I work for a certain hydraulics company you may or may not have mentioned in your video as a controls engineer, programming these kinds of valves. Let me know if you have any questions.
You might be already aware of this Ave but that appears to be a Parker VS Pulsar cartridge valve. They use PWM to actuate along with hydraulic pressure on some variants. A circuit card varies the frequency and voltage to that pulsar. Depending on where the joystick is throttled in the machines that I work on. And the small nut with the Allen on each section of the valve is the centering adjustment.
Before you tell me where to take my hat for suggesting a video suggestion, i really think a good follow up video to this would be peristaltic pumps. They're dirt cheap and have a billion and one uses because of their constant flow rate, as i'm sure you're already aware of.
If you ever get the chance... I’d love to see the teardown and comparison of one of those Honda 2000 super quiet generators and the hazzard frot equivalent.
I don't know how you did it but just as you let the smoke out of the solenoid I smelled the faint smell of wire insulation burning in my garage...the lights went on as I frantically searched for my own failed experiment to recognize the faint smell of chlorine from the kiddie pool as the culprit. It's amazing how similar they smell. Thanks for the video AvE! Good luck with the project.. anticipating the next level.
Gonna need to build a small shed outside of the shop for the compressor. Can build it big enough to keep trash cans in so the missus don't complain about it. Enclosed area for compressor, with a 100 watt light bulb on a temp switch so it don't freeze in winter. Could get real fancy and have louvers that automatically open and close for ventilation.
We use same setup at work. They use pwn on solenoids. I think pwn keeps the heat down on the coils also. Ps3 controller with Bluetooth has joysticks and lots of buttons!
Mechanix gloves. The most skookum glove out there! I do metal work and I also dig antique bottles and other artifacts. Sure have held up over the years and prevented some nasty accidents.
Would proximity switches/sensors be of any use??, not saying I have a shedload but work goes through the things like no tomorrow, just swapped out a couple with busted connector housings but the guts inside work fine. It's a wet food factory, cleaning down with high pressure water jets so the sensors need to be proofed against that. Mostly SICK stuff with a few Festo bits thrown in, mostly air flow regs and valve packs. I'll do a quiet metal bin dive and see what I can scrounge up
That is a tool that is a kit tool Power is a proof of concept that is beautiful Put a pressure transducer on each side of the gauge and you are in a money my brother Stacked fitting perfection
I am not familiar with industrial systems like you have here, but if you are looking for a joystick system that operates proportionally, consider using a joystick used for electronic wheelchairs. They run on a 24 volt system. The voltage and direction are controlled from the single joystick.
I don't know how to tell this in English, but I'll try my best... A mess which is there long enough, becomes the order which has settled down. There is no messy workshop, they just have their own order.
I know that this video is old - but you are funny! You need flow through DCV to generate pilot pressure to move spools. At 28 ohms, Parker Pulsar solenoids are 33 Hz. PWM controlled. But they will work in ON/OFF mode regardless with constant DC current. Those, actually need to have negative ( reversed polarity) spike to turn them off. Although if your power supply is switched - you are putting out some kind of PWM signal.
Wanted to say something right off the bat about pilot control, but figured you catch it. Pulsar solenoids. Use the same type of valve bank for steering and hpto on Fletcher supply tractors underground
Hey man I don't know what you ended up going with, buttons or joy stick, but once I played around with using the force sensative resistors from adafruit to controll the pulse width modulation. I was wanting to do something similar but have yet to get my hands on a proportioning valve. I was thinking about sticking the sensors on the business end of the actuator, and then as you push on it, it moves. (real life Iron man suit interface)
Have you ever used LabView from National Instruments? You can interface Arduino with it, and design programs using a block diagram instead of the Arduino IDE (C++). You could probably find some useful things to do with it. It's only $50 for the home version from Digilent's website.
I work for a cat dealer in california and often come across used pumps, control valves, hydraulic motors and so on. If your ever looking for something i may be able to supply it to you at no cost.
I operrate a putzmiester tb105 telebelt for any of you who know what those are, and atop of the machine is a whole row of proportional valves identical to these here. Very cool stuff, I know that a new system for the proportional valves is almost 30k US dollars and that includes I believe 8 different valves.
An old bear is in the forest with a white rabbit. The bear asks the rabbit.. “do u have problems with shit sticking to ur fur?”. The rabbit says “no, why do u ask?”. The bear says no more, picks up the rabbit and wipes his ass.
Haha, as technician with decent experience on electronic and hydraulic diagnostics, this was VERY interesting to watch. You finally realizing how the valve actually works, before operating it properly. Must be the same for you, watching a monkey trying to get that fist full of nuts out of the hole you had to stick your hand through, to get to said nuts in the first place. But hey, took me years to learn this shit, you figured it out in a few hours, just by slamming a few rocks together until they spark.
I wish you had a diagram of this project. Just a simple drawing.I've been hearing about this bartending bot for about 2-3 years now I still have no idea what it's meant to be.
Proportional valves often work on current, rather than voltage. This is done since resistance varies with temperature. Using a current feedback driver overcomes this.
So that craftsman wrench still got the warranty? What with sears going the way of zellers and all l was wondering aboot the parts and such for their products
Many gaming joysticks especially older ones before they started going to encoders use two potentiometers for the X and Y axis. Should be easy enough to hack up for this. I think Parallax also sells a really cheap joystick that works like this.
You should do a test (video) about the lineairity of the valve. To see if the voltage changes the output preasure lineairly. Otherwise your bar could get really messy, really quick. :p Edit: okay its from 2 years ago ...
I like how the comments are from two years ago... What in the empire of dirt caused you to remember this?
I couldn't sleep; I was housekeeping old VJOs, culling and such. THEN I FOUND THIS GEM!
Must have been hidden on the old Porn Diskette then, eh?
aaaaaaand . . . monetized! (?)
"chess programs"
AvE you are but a humble vjo Shepard
When you were thinking it needed faster, and fatter pixies, I almost screamed. I thought I told you, it was connected to a 12v PWM controler. I'm really glad it worked out ok.
hey man - really appreciate you sending this in for Ave to dick around with - was fun watching someone play with shit I've never seen or heard of before.
Thank you! :)
My heart skipped a few beats thinking our hydraulic bartending robots dreams were coming true finally. Not quite click bait but almost. Lmao. Great vid though I miss you’re optimistic younger self. Almost as much as I miss my optimistic younger self.
"These are tougher than hell." Proceeds to put 12x the voltage and 6x the current though it - AND IS DISAPPOINTED it didn't work. The rest of us are SHOCKED that nothing died, human or electronicals....
You know you're off the rails when you use you WELDER as a power supply. Current limiting? Yea, PHYSICS!
Well honestly all we love ave, but i noticed that he is a great mechanic but less about pixies.. So I expect some mess when he started to use the welder..then the smoke came. It was so fun! We love you ave you are the best!
Hahaha. Yeah. I was also shocked. Al my work (Hydro-electric plant) we use 0-10 mA to drive the pilot valves for the servos of our 40MW Hydroelectric generators.....
Guillermo Frontera that's insane!!!
Thanks for sharing this with us and sending it out to the Patreons!
Published today. Uploaded for patreons back in history.
Funny to hear you from 2 years ago and remember how much quieter you used to be
That might be a change in a/v gear, but I do think he's gotten quite a bit more comfortable talking to himself. Maybe he had a sit down with the the better 3/4 to let her know it's not Alzheimer's it's just youtube
I really enjoy your hydraulic videos. I've always had trouble understanding electrical systems probably because you can't actually see the parts moving, but I find hydraulics to be almost intuitive. I know the two systems are fundamentally similar, but I've never been able to overcome the cognitive gap.
Thank you so much for your work.
You say schmoo, I then say schmoo girlfriend now says schmoo....cultural phenomenon you.... Tanks
why am I so interested in your videos I can't get enough and I don't even do any mechanical electrical metal working any of the sort, great stuff.
At 8:00 , I saw that coming. One could just get some numbers off of the damn thing and look it up. Most proportional coils I've seen have the voltage range stamped right into them. Have fun rebuilding the hydraulic rotators if you ever have to. I have rebuilt many of them back in my equipment wrenching days. They are used many times at the platform to boom connection on aerial work platforms. The smaller rotator looks like a Helac brand. If you do tear it down, putting things in the freezer may be necessary to put it back together.
To The Top Crane Not only saw that coming, but could calculate it! At 28 ohms, one amp will output 28 Watt of power, which is way too much for such a small device without dedicated cooling.
I work in a paper mill. That is so true. Tons of the equiptment is well over 40 years old and has been been rebuilt or fixed counless times. A lot of times when something lets the smoke out they look for used parts because some of it isnt in production or is super expensive.
If you are still working on this project and need a joystick selection, check out the Hall Effect Gimbal from a RC Radio company called FrSky. As implied it is hall effect so the resolution is amazing and they don't suffer from twitch like conventional pot ones. They are a must have for us pleebs that fly racing drones.
Glad you got it figured out. Also, I received my ruler kits the other day and have successfully got them together. I did increase the chooch factor a tad by installing a plutonium core in place of the 3v cell. It works just great... So much so that when I test fired it I vaporized the neighbours house...:) Peace:)
hoooly smokes. I miss this old stuff. great vid bud.
You've been a little eccentric and caught up in your brand lately, but I cant say I blame you since i see your followers on literally all corners of youtube.
Don't get me wrong, i still thoroughly enjoy your current content, and learn a bunch. Just tend to prefer the now aging, more relaxed ones.
Sincerely. Thanks for all the vids.
Damn dude, your audio, editing, and delivery have really improved.
1st time I went in a wood mill(Georgia pacific) was a huge eye opener . could not believe how tight wadded these jokers were. and black ash every freaking where. every piece of equipment I saw was either boot legged or about to be beyond bootlegging
Whooot, this has been hidden from us for 2 years!
Everytime I watch one of your videos Creepy uncle Steve. You fucking amaze me with your knowledge everytime. Thank you for gifting us the knowledge
If you end up needing any more prop valves hit me up. I could likely wrangle you a Rexroth or Parker 24V unit.
Omg, I was screaming at my phone when you kept ramping up the voltage, lol. The solenoids need hydraulic pressure in addition to the voltage to make it move. When I'm checking them I take them out and the spool moves freely by hand. Glad you didn't fry them.
8 years later. Back to the robut
The valve block uses pilot pressure to shift the spool up and down.
My girlfriend of years just broke up with me, a few minutes in the shop with uncle bumble fuck is just what I needed to drown my clapped out cardiodal chest meat in 100 proof cutting fluid. Thank you.
I though this project died. Glad it got shared with us freeloaders. I remember the hydraulic rotatory nerd our video. Now i know where they originated. Thank you for sharing.
I work for a certain hydraulics company you may or may not have mentioned in your video as a controls engineer, programming these kinds of valves. Let me know if you have any questions.
You might be already aware of this Ave but that appears to be a Parker VS Pulsar cartridge valve. They use PWM to actuate along with hydraulic pressure on some variants. A circuit card varies the frequency and voltage to that pulsar. Depending on where the joystick is throttled in the machines that I work on. And the small nut with the Allen on each section of the valve is the centering adjustment.
Before you tell me where to take my hat for suggesting a video suggestion, i really think a good follow up video to this would be peristaltic pumps. They're dirt cheap and have a billion and one uses because of their constant flow rate, as i'm sure you're already aware of.
What You're looking for for a good proportional joystick is a CCTV PTZ controller. Those ALSO usually have a proportional twisting motion too
If you ever get the chance... I’d love to see the teardown and comparison of one of those Honda 2000 super quiet generators and the hazzard frot equivalent.
I don't know how you did it but just as you let the smoke out of the solenoid I smelled the faint smell of wire insulation burning in my garage...the lights went on as I frantically searched for my own failed experiment to recognize the faint smell of chlorine from the kiddie pool as the culprit. It's amazing how similar they smell. Thanks for the video AvE! Good luck with the project.. anticipating the next level.
Ya know what, I had figured you left this as a Patreon exclusive so I had never thought twice beyond the original public teaser video
As soon as a gauge and reducing unions came in to frame, I knew you've been in the PVF industry a minute or 2 lol
Gonna need to build a small shed outside of the shop for the compressor. Can build it big enough to keep trash cans in so the missus don't complain about it. Enclosed area for compressor, with a 100 watt light bulb on a temp switch so it don't freeze in winter. Could get real fancy and have louvers that automatically open and close for ventilation.
I just want to say thanks for teaching us about HPV's.
Oh the old green healing mat...
Nostalgia at its finest.
Here is an old throwback I remember you dicking around with trying to remove broken bolts from that hydraulic
Considering 5 volts actuated it this far, and that it's an industrial component, it's likely the standard 0-10V analog signal.
We use same setup at work. They use pwn on solenoids. I think pwn keeps the heat down on the coils also. Ps3 controller with Bluetooth has joysticks and lots of buttons!
Mechanix gloves. The most skookum glove out there! I do metal work and I also dig antique bottles and other artifacts. Sure have held up over the years and prevented some nasty accidents.
6:17 i have moments like that all the time when deciding what to use to progress a project. haha
Would proximity switches/sensors be of any use??, not saying I have a shedload but work goes through the things like no tomorrow, just swapped out a couple with busted connector housings but the guts inside work fine. It's a wet food factory, cleaning down with high pressure water jets so the sensors need to be proofed against that. Mostly SICK stuff with a few Festo bits thrown in, mostly air flow regs and valve packs. I'll do a quiet metal bin dive and see what I can scrounge up
That is a tool that is a kit tool Power is a proof of concept that is beautiful Put a pressure transducer on each side of the gauge and you are in a money my brother Stacked fitting perfection
I am not familiar with industrial systems like you have here, but if you are looking for a joystick system that operates proportionally, consider using a joystick used for electronic wheelchairs. They run on a 24 volt system. The voltage and direction are controlled from the single joystick.
best channel on the interwebs
is that giant volume know thing at 6:00 what van halen used to make an amp sound different?
I don't know how to tell this in English, but I'll try my best... A mess which is there long enough, becomes the order which has settled down. There is no messy workshop, they just have their own order.
Tell my wife
I know that this video is old - but you are funny!
You need flow through DCV to generate pilot pressure to move spools.
At 28 ohms, Parker Pulsar solenoids are 33 Hz. PWM controlled. But they will work in ON/OFF mode regardless with constant DC current.
Those, actually need to have negative ( reversed polarity) spike to turn them off.
Although if your power supply is switched - you are putting out some kind of PWM signal.
@AvE: It's probably using industrial signal levels 4-20mA or 1-5V
Wanted to say something right off the bat about pilot control, but figured you catch it. Pulsar solenoids. Use the same type of valve bank for steering and hpto on Fletcher supply tractors underground
I have a Dahua IP surveillance camera to look at the stuff so it does not accumulate junk
Hey man I don't know what you ended up going with, buttons or joy stick, but once I played around with using the force sensative resistors from adafruit to controll the pulse width modulation. I was wanting to do something similar but have yet to get my hands on a proportioning valve. I was thinking about sticking the sensors on the business end of the actuator, and then as you push on it, it moves. (real life Iron man suit interface)
And here was me thinking that the bartending robot was back at the top of the project list!
I work in a Plywood mill and what you said cannot be more true, the shit I have cobbled back together with hopes prayers and promises
"It just doesn't end!"...no truer words were ever said!
Whatever became of the Barbot? I remember seeing all of these parts videos espousing grand plans, but I can’t recall seeing a completed vijayo.
can u do an airbag tare down? i would like to know how much c4 is aimed at our faces! electronic ignition and powder to deffuse the flame
3:58 "this one is chowdered right to fuck so we wont use it" fucking love canadians
Have you ever used LabView from National Instruments? You can interface Arduino with it, and design programs using a block diagram instead of the Arduino IDE (C++). You could probably find some useful things to do with it. It's only $50 for the home version from Digilent's website.
You can actuate anything on the planet that matters with 3-15psi. It plays nice with 4-20ma
I work for a cat dealer in california and often come across used pumps, control valves, hydraulic motors and so on. If your ever looking for something i may be able to supply it to you at no cost.
"Ah, this'll work....fuck it" The phrase that has launched so many trips to the emergency room.
would love to see your toolboxes
I operrate a putzmiester tb105 telebelt for any of you who know what those are, and atop of the machine is a whole row of proportional valves identical to these here. Very cool stuff, I know that a new system for the proportional valves is almost 30k US dollars and that includes I believe 8 different valves.
Perfect skillz for build oneself a robotic skid steer or other such contraption!
Dammit. This was my time to shine and I'm too years two late.
Way to tease us again
An old bear is in the forest with a white rabbit. The bear asks the rabbit.. “do u have problems with shit sticking to ur fur?”. The rabbit says “no, why do u ask?”. The bear says no more, picks up the rabbit and wipes his ass.
HOLYOFAACK has it been 2 years...
12:11 Where's a slide whistle when you need one?
How many years have we been waiting on this thing now?
I'm quite sure that this type of proportional valves need an oil-supply to work.
That is the case for the danfoss pvg at least.
I will watch the movie till the end next time...
Haha, as technician with decent experience on electronic and hydraulic diagnostics, this was VERY interesting to watch.
You finally realizing how the valve actually works, before operating it properly.
Must be the same for you, watching a monkey trying to get that fist full of nuts out of the hole you had to stick your hand through, to get to said nuts in the first place. But hey, took me years to learn this shit, you figured it out in a few hours, just by slamming a few rocks together until they spark.
WHAT YEAR IS IT
It's 2099
It's 2016, why do you ask?
“Ah this will work Fuck It” lmfao man I love you I have been in that same place many of times!
You sound younger!
By couple 'ears at least
You can use your favourite CLICK PLC for that. Or the controlino (Arduino for the empire of dirt: just like a PLC)
Our old Budd M-3 trains have a similar system running the brakes with the pilot pressure controlling the brake cylinder pressure.
I wish you had a diagram of this project. Just a simple drawing.I've been hearing about this bartending bot for about 2-3 years now I still have no idea what it's meant to be.
Hey AvE, Can you make a vidya about that sweet hydraulic fitting cajigger? I need to make one for work!
I don't think there is a voltage divider but a wound resistive conductor.
I now this is from the past but, hope it is something new to see take place bartender.
Proportional valves often work on current, rather than voltage. This is done since resistance varies with temperature. Using a current feedback driver overcomes this.
Was the programming ever finished? I can put some time in on this but if its already done I wont bother.
So that craftsman wrench still got the warranty? What with sears going the way of zellers and all l was wondering aboot the parts and such for their products
@AvE, didn't you say many months ago that you purchased one of the SpaceX/Boring Company "Flamethrowers"?
yeah. ol muskie failed to deliver!
2 year old vjo same sweatshirt 😀
What are your thoughts on a wireless joystick remote control? I mean other than the one ya already got. You can use this one and never go blind.
This isn't the only patreon vid where you used the welder to overload a part
9:30pm and bored as hell when suddenly AVE delivers!
Many gaming joysticks especially older ones before they started going to encoders use two potentiometers for the X and Y axis. Should be easy enough to hack up for this. I think Parallax also sells a really cheap joystick that works like this.
Thought you were going to go "Electro Boom!" for a second...
I think I recognize this video . 🤔
Hahahaha. You'd commented on it 2 years ago. You're a regular fixture!
AvE well now , that was back your maw and I were the only ones watching .
I wish youtube had a thing that showed what sub you are ex. 1856, 67437
Jon Johnson that actually would be pretty cool.
You should do a test (video) about the lineairity of the valve. To see if the voltage changes the output preasure lineairly.
Otherwise your bar could get really messy, really quick. :p
Edit: okay its from 2 years ago ...
I remember one of my uncles doing a video on high-drawliks talking about pilot pressure can't remember the vjo tho.
pixies. i think its just beer-o joules talking. as always love you AvE!
Alright Mr. Peabody, where are we going in the WABAC today?
Puts 60v and 1.2Amps trough an 5v component? How did that thing not die after letting the smoke out?
I work as a forklift mechanic, want me to be on a lookout for more prop.valves and/or anything else?
I was just having a brain thought the other day on what was going on with the Robo Drink-O-Matic 6900.
Do we need to take up a collection for a new compressor?
haha. no, thank you. I got a screaming deal on a scroll compressor. It's got a whatchacallit like you ain't never smelled before.
You sure? We can get you the latest and greatest from Harbor Fraud, you know one of those Chicago Pneumonia specials real cheap.