Given that the head is homemade, it seems to me like he created the bolt as a means to scare deer off of his property (maybe they had been invading his garden), but sorely underestimated the power of his crossbow, killing the deer even with the attempted non-lethal bolt. Either way, he's definitely lying about the youth bow story, unless his daughter is A LOT stronger than a regular 14 year old girl lol...
Most people wouldn't have even blinked if he had said this is what happened. He tried to make something non lethal and it failed miserably. Not sure about the the laws there, but I can't imagine much more than a fine for an honest mistake. Now add lying to the police to the charges...
I realised how seriously he was taking this when he said bullshit. I have been watching his videos for almost 2 years and it may be a coincidence but this is the first video of his ive seen where he swears
He said something along the lines of ‘there’s no pussies here on the slingshot channel’ when he made a fidget spinner with circular blades and then spun it in his bare hand using an air compressor so idk
well, you have to keep in mind, that swearing itself isn't an issue for most of us germans. we don't have bleeps on TV, we don't have comedians 'working clean' or any of that puritan bullshit. most of us usually try to avoid 'below-the-belt-line'-swearing (meaning sexual references) while being in front of kids, but that's pretty much it. the term 'bullshit' doesn't meet this criteria at all. sometimes it's just awkward to swear in a different language (than your native language), because swearing is usually a quick response to something or someone, and your native language usually is the first thing that comes to mind (he e.g. sometimes says "Scheiße", when he messes up something).
@@neolexiousneolexian6079 Nowadays, manufactured cars are tamed. And they usually don't breed with wild cars. But as I said, Germany is the birthplace of cars. And back 100 years ago or so, the manufactured cars were not quite as tamed as they are now. So some of them managed to run away (you can google "runaway diesel" if you want). And those that managed to run away were able to breed. And so now there are wild cars in Europe, mainly in Germany.
It would be briliant if this was sent to police and they acted on it to run thier own tests. But if Germany has any similar legal tests around what constitutes impartiality of a court case then releasing the video ahead of or during a case could actually help the person that shot the deer 😟.
@@gasoline9666 It is. Simply. The girl did not shot down the deer. Father did. You can't hunt with such a thing. So the court is starting the case with the accusation of blaming someone with false testimony and poaching. Charges pressed by the procurator.
The Father: "It'll be fine. The only way they could find out is if they recreated the arrow and ran some test. Nobody on the internet has time to do that." JoergeSprave: My hobby currently is creating crossbow bolt based on ideas found on the internet.
Nezmund since the newspaper called joerg a weapon expert and police were already looking into this video and accusations in here for their case that might actually come true.
In the Criminal Justice System, Deer based murders while blaming daughters is considered especially heinous. The man who handles these crimes is known an elite detective known as Joerg Spave. These are his stories *DUN DUN*
It’d be hilarious if the German police knocked on Joerg’s door and, in a surprise twist, actually wanted to consult him for various hunting-related investigations.
I thought "white lie" means that you´re not actually lying, but lying by omission or by twisting the meaning of words. Like Obi Wan telling Luke that Darth Vader killed his father
@@koryfredrick1164 Obi Wan telling Luke that Vader killed his father was a white lie, because it was meant with good intentions - to avoid Luke having to deal with Vader being his papa. White Lie means a lie with good intentions.
- it wasn't the girl - it wasn't a bow - it wasn't an accident But aside from that, everything he said was completely true. Oh, except it probably wasn't on his property.
this deer would have had to "jump into the line of fire" REALLY close to the people who would have presumably been talking and making noise as they do when sport shooting.
Except he didnt do that to protect the little girl me thinks. More probably the father is the one who shot the deer with a crossbow and then blamed his daughter for it so that he wont have to go to jail for poaching and animal cruelty, yes cruelty think about it. A blunt bolt like that has to punch rediculously hard to penetrate anything, and thats a rather big hole that wouldve caused the deer to bleed out to death, VERY, VERY SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY, writhin in agony until it's dying breath.
protect from what? law? law will don't give a shit with 14 years old kid killing a dear, but if that was father? probably jail. And it still can be jurnalist mistake because they that *clever* that probably can mistaken bow with crossbow because it's, of course, *same thing* -_-
The dad goes to court, he is charged guilty. Angrily he shouts “is this law!” From the judge he hears a soft “yes, let me show you its features” He looks up and sees its mr features himself He tries to run but hes evaporated as mr features shoots him with the sun using a slingshot
The blunt tip pictured on the original crossbow bolt looks a bit like a 3D printed variant of the 3Rivers Bunny Buster, a device used for small game such as squirrels, rabbits and birds (depending upon one's preference, of course). Everything about the incident screams "deliberate" -- this is a very specialized round, used for a very specific niche application in hunting, and there's absolutely no way you'd have one on hand unless you've taken the steps to either buy them online or go to the local outfitter. The most likely scenario I'm imagining in this case is that some dumbass sees deer wandering onto his property eating his garden crops, so he rummages through his hunting gear asking himself what he can use to scare said deer away. Dumbass pulls out the small game tips, thinks "these won't kill 'em," then proceeds to shoot one of the deer at close range before realizing too late that the deer just ran away with the evidence, and there might be consequences.
Crimson Halo thank you for sharing what you know, I found your comment interesting. I always appreciate it when people like you take the time out of their day to share some wisdom
Yeah, great observation. I literally kicked myself when I didn't notice how short the bolt was and how there was barely a nock. I should have been paying more attention...
We will probably never know exactly what happened. All it takes is a few accusations, a little circumstantial evidence, and enough people pointing the finger at him until he changes his story, then people assume he is guilty just because he lied at all. If he didn't know what happened and made up a story that he thought made sense, then later was found to be lying, people will assume he lied on purpose to cover his tracks. How can you prove 100% that he personally did the shot and not his daughter? More circumstantial evidence? Do you need to punish someone, even without proof, to feel like justice was done? Justice is not what you "feel" is right, it is what is right by what actually happened. Just admit we do not know 100% what happened. Why do so many jump to conclusions and make up stories to make people into the "bad guy" when they have absolutely no way of knowing for sure.
Crimson Halo likely but I also believe there was malicious intent as well. The power and limited range required to inflict a fatal wound shows a level of sadism, he wanted to hurt the deer while being close enough to enjoy it. An unsuppressed normal round from a firearms is plenty to frighten the average animal.
Yes that is true, but I was referring to being smeared by the press. If you are accused of something people treat you badly for years. He could get hate mail, he could be fired from his job, people might vandalize his house, his daughter could be bullied at school. These are the social "justice" ramifications he could have for years, regardless of what the court decides.
Although as a swede we don't get that newspaper, but I think we have many similar newspapers and I thought the exact same thing. Someone had accused Jörg and he was going to debunk he's accusers. I'm glad that was not the video at all!
that lie is impressively pitiful. a deer jumped magically infront of my daughter while she was innocently shooting a crossbow bolt from a compound bow with extreme force. believaBULLSHIT.
I have almost shot deer that ran between me and my target on my outside archery range, but out of the hundreds of times I’ve been on the range, it has only happened twice. This is the only partially believable part of the story.
@Delon Duvenage so you're basically saying that the only way you can kill someone better than with this is with a rifle? That's like me saying that I could only beat a pocket knife with a machete... Regardless, you were initially indicating that you could walk away from that gut shot as long as you didn't get hit in a vital organ, so it's only fair if you allow me to shoot you in the gut first seeings as it's such a "primitive weapon" and then you can shoot me in the gut. We can then call an ambulance and see who lives. I can guarantee that short of a spine or side shot through both kidneys, I'll be out of the emergency ward before you, unless you're leaving in a black bag that is...
i sure hope it's the show would be regular since that would mean people regularly break crime like this -.-' (unless he can search cases from history or he goes world wide - then there might be enough cases like this for full on series - i really hope people don't do this to animals or other people on regular basis)
When I was in Basic Training, we were at the gun range one day, getting to shoot (briefly) a tripod mounted machine gun. There were three set up, and the target was an old APC, about 150yds downrange. Three teams had just taken their places, when two deer came out of the trees a little to the side of the target and proceeded to walk in front of it. The three teams each immediately opened up, despite the sargeant yelling at them to cease fire. They must have fired several hundred rounds in those few seconds. When the smoke cleared, the deer looked back at us, and calmly walked off the range. The sargeants were laughing so hard at the clowns at the guns that they didn't even scream at them.....too much. True story.
the seargents were laughing because they enjoyed it and would have done the same, because in the usa killing deer is about as offensive as killing an insect or a rat deer kill 200 people and cause 1 billion dollars of property damage per year in the USA, they are a major pest
Judge... Prosecutor, present your expert witness.. Prosecutor... Yes your honor.. We call Mr Joerg Sprave to the stand.. Judge.. Any objections? Defense... No sir. Prosecutor.. Mr Sprave... Can you explain to the court your summary of the events sir. Joerg... Yes , here's my report... Let me show you it's feature...hahahaha... Defendant...shits himself
Feffnirsbane Hmmm that's a lil to "info wars" for me liking. Sure the dad's story is BS but this being some government plot is an unsubstantiated assertion
That my friend is a small game tip... If someone shot a deer with one of those it had to be absolutely deliberate, you don't just shoot something like that off by accident or mistake.
Oh das kann passieren. Ich hab mal ausversehen auf ne Rotte Wildschweine mit ner FlW geschossen..... War nicht so schön was über war von den 2 die ich mit dem 50 cal erwischt habe 😬
Not necessarily true. You are supposed to practice loosing arrows with both target arrow/bolt heads and the heads you use for hunting. They travel, aim, and feel fairly different from each other and much like a hunter needs to sight in their rifle, the bow hunter/crossbow hunter must test and practice with the actual bolts you use. That being said, there is no way that a 14 year old girl can produce enough force with an arrow like that from a small youth bow to penetrate and kill the deer throw the thick hide and muscle the deer has unless it was a miraculous eye shot or something, but I find that just as unlikely. It's just not possible. The father, who threw his daughter under the bus, is completely full of it.
@Sasquatch Ah right because driving down the road is definitely the same as shooting a deer with a crossbow and then blaming your daughter saying she was practicing with her bow.
@@jsubtext7334 It is not THAT unlikely, actually. First: The deer would not have noticed the projectile. Second: The roe deer population in germany is very high in some places, and the deers know exactly if it is hunting season or not. Off season, I had many close encounters inside 200m of villages. If they were shooting in the evening near a forest line, good chance to have a deers come out at some point. How hard would it be to hit a deer with your car if you wanted to? still happens all the time in germany. Third: If you are aiming at a practice target, you get tunnel vision and won´t notice anyone or anything approaching your line of shot until it´s too late. You gotta make sure that no one can enter the target areas BEFORE you start shooting. It is really amazing what you don´t see. Bonus: while on a field archery practice range, a family member very nearly accidentally shot a deer around 4pm, that was just idly standing among the rubber foam mock deers at 30m. He was already drawing back, when one of the things suddenly moved....no harm done, but...it was time to pack up and go home, then. So, yes, unlikely, but not totally outer-worldly unlikely. Still within the realm of possible reality. Crazy shit happens, YT is proof.
Sasquatch so there is no difference between a car with a 10 second stop time with others that might be behind you and a >350 feet a second bolt in the woods where aiming is the only thing you are thinking of?
Paavo Bergmann We can’t base this on if this was a full powered crossbow. A youth bow cannot reach the kinds of range and speed for this kind of accident to happen. The practice target couldn’t have been more than 40 yds away at the very most. With that kind of range, you can see anything that is or is going to be between you and the target. Plus, with a target that is relatively close, a deer would have to get even closer to the people, something deer rarely do, in order to intercept the arrow. Furthermore, the arrow from a youth bow wouldn’t be able to penetrate the deer from 20-30 yds away because Sprave could barely do it at only 5 ft. away. Therefore, the story is pretty much implausible. Go to Hickock .45. He has deer randomly running into his firing range all the time, and he doesn’t “accidentally” shoot them, nor do they just run in front of his bullets. He’s using rifles and handguns in the middle of the woods, too. If you get tunnel vision while shooting, make sure you don’t take anybody you care about hunting with you. You need to be aware of your surroundings at all times while using a weapon of any kind. Tunnel Vision is no excuse for sloppy shots that hit people and animals that you aren’t aiming at.
As a former hunter. If its not a quick and clean kill it's one of the most deplorable acts a person can do to an animal. Depending in what you're hunting. If its down but alive you must either slit it's throat or pierce its heart. There is debate as to which is better a head shot or heart shot. When piercing the brain the body goes into spasm like a rubber band toy being released. Some think this death spasm is painless, others think its the body reacting to pain. I'll leave it up to the hunter to decide which they think is better. But all hunters must ensure the game doesn't needlessly suffer.
I have no real qualifications, but I happen to know that the brain (or at least a human brain) doesn't have any nerve endings, and can't feel pain, aside from the entry wound through skin and skull. The brain is also responsible for understanding pain. So my guess would be a headshot would be the best, since damaging the brain sufficiently would shut off the ability to feel pain, whereas a shot to the heart would take until the brain ran out of oxygen to have that effect. Again though, this is just speculating, I could well be missing something
coryman125 That's generally the debate. With head shots an animal can kick and flip and flop quiet violently. Squirrels have been known to leap quite high from it. Where as a heart shot knocks them over with minimal twitching. Some view this behavior as the body flipping out like its lots control all of a sudden. Hench the rubber band toy analogy. Once you let it go (in this case the brain let's go) everything just fires off all at once. Others view it as the animal lashing out in fear and pain due to the sudden thrashing. But as you said the heart shot would stop blood flow meaning there's a few seconds of awareness as the brain dies off. Either option is relatively quick though when compared to how wolves and lions kill. Usually its a smothering action. I'm not familiar with decapitation of most animals but some like the chicken will literary run around non stop once their heads been cut off. Personally I was clearest shot. I wouldn't shot if it wasn't a guaranteed kill.
coryman125 pain is registered in the thalamus, a very deep and primal part of the brain... unless your specifically wrecking all of the tissue there it's very unlikely that the creature feels nothing as if it were a switch being turned off. so i'd guess there's a few seconds of pain and/or panic in the animal either way
Wow that makes perfect sense. I wonder why people stopped using them. It seems like it would be an ethical kill. Can't imagine a rabbit would survive a hit like that.
Fee_ Lo When you hit the rabbit in the butt you might only break many bones without lethally wounding it so it dies a slow and painful death... With a sharp tip it would bleed out when you don't hit properly which would be a much quicker death.
That's a really cruel way to kill an animal. I'm an experienced hunter and I shot quite a few rabbits in my life, but I never enjoyed or endorsed intentionally maiming the animal instead of instantly killing it. This is why I don't like using arrows or very small caliber rifles, the old 12Ga may fill the meat with pellets but will instantly drop small game.
7m59s -- You made me spit my coffee over my keyboard! I love your thought processes: "I know let me use my 'little' crossbow and try." I cannot explain how much enjoyment I get from your videos and this is one of my favourites (all my friends have seen the first ten minutes). Cheers Joerg, love your channel. Didn't find this video until recently. I would so love to be able to visit and watch you make one of your awesome videos, but I know that is not possible :(
guy was prob stupid and thought the arrow wouldn't do any harm, i never expected a tip like that would penetrate. but why dafuq would you poach with a arrow like that, unlikely too.
Birki gts. he might not have been poaching and just shot at the dear because hes an idiot. Either way, the father is a dumb ass, and if the daughter did it, shes pretty stupid 2.
Exactly what I was thinking, looks like a garbage/ bear deterrent or idiot non lethal deer practice arrow. Definitely proved crossbow was used , but" who shot? "and worlds worst poacher is still debatable.
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You just have to love his passion to optimize functionality of things. The way he enjoys the crossbow cocking is just adorable.
Joerg has proven this much: That is definitely a crossbow bolt, and it was definitely fired from a crossbow. There is no legitimate way to argue otherwise. Which means at least one crime was committed by the father, when he lied to the police. Another crime was committed if it was the 14 year old daughter who fired it, but either way, the father is guilty of making a false statement to the police. It is difficult if not impossible to prove intent, but Joerg is right to point out that the father's story about the deer just so happening to jump into the path of the arrow as it was fired is unlikely to the point of absurdity. A good interrogator could poke holes in this story until the man admits what actually happened, which is probably that he intentionally shot the deer with a crossbow.
The blunted tip was to prevent the arrow from tarnishing the hide. People do it with small game usually. The arrow is intended to kill the animal by delivering shock to the internals. Think about it like a hammer hit verse a sword. It's inhumane especially for big game like deer.
In the SCA in Canada I used to do combat archery. Rubber varmint blunts on a 28" arrow using a 30Lb bow. Fencing mask and leather gloves with a kidney belt and jock cup were required protection. I was shot from 20-30 feet away with just a thin layer of cloth as protection in the legs, torso, arms and shoulder many times. Youth bows are typically 20Lbs, especially if it was used by a 14 year old girl. A 30lb bow left me with red welts similar to those acquired in paintball competition. There is no way that father is telling the truth.
Meridies, born and raised. Can confirm. Even my reproduction 14th C. crossbow doesn't have that kind of power, and your average 14 year old would have trouble even drawing it without a windlass.
Hence why exsperts are important in policing... It to him and me from the offset just looks impossible for the story to be true due to us already knowing the nature of all of the component's mentioned, thus before the story would of even been thought of we would know if to be false, but looking is all things. Jorge though brilliant in this case wouldn't be able to help so quickly in other speciality cases where his specialist knowledge does not directly have any impinging perspective that would help to close a case in another topic or criminal avenue.
Ummm no. . . . . Police need EVIDENCE to link the man to the crime They know his story is fake but how to PROVE that he is without a doubt lying and actually committed a crime. You are innocent until proven guilty. Not to mention this youtuber is an expert in this field whereas a police officer is not and does not just have crossbows lying around for them to test. Police also have to go through proper procedures and paperwork not just simply say HE'S GUILTY because i tested a similar arrow and it didnt work. They have to take their time to be thorough and build up a proper case against the defendant, not just make a video like this. If you have ever seen how a court case proceeds then you would understand it is a very thorough system which tries to cover every corner/possibility.
I was worried upon seeing the title that somebody had attempted to slander you again! Very glad that's not the case, I love watching your channel. Keep up the awesome builds/work!
@@CWGminer I don't quite remember all of the details, but I remember that there was a journalist who wrote for the Daily Mail that wrote a very insulting article about Jörg about two years ago. I don't really remember enough to elaborate on it though.
an important fact to remember when looking at the gelatin test is that when joerg fired the bow he had to use a longer arrow than the actual bolt that was fired. so not only would it have been impossible to fire the shorter arrow from a bow, but the wound probably would not even have penetrated the deer's skin
Exactly. The leather used in this test is much thinner and weaker than a deer's hide, so if it was actually shot with a youth bow with a blount tip, the deer wouldn't even bleed. It would've been a nasty bruise at most
Im not sure what I should be more pissed about, the fact that the Dad pinned it on his daughter, or the fact thst the article called it a Bullet and not an arrow
Interesting. I only recently got into these videos and such. Ok, so then this is a bolt for a crossbow to knockout birds? Wouldn't that thing just turn a bird into a bunch of feathers? We know it can't be an arrow for a bow. Way too short.
Obvious story. That guy was shooting crossbows and decided that it might be fun to shoot some animals. He did not have the balls to really hunt so he build these tips to have some fun and did totally underestimate the power of the crossbow..
For people who live near the woods (at least in parts of the US I dont know about Germany) deer can be a major pest eating ornamental plants out of yards and what not. An alternate explanation was that this guy wanted the deer out of his lawn, and in an attempt at humane pest control created a bolt he thought would be enough to hurt a deer and get it leave but he underestimated the power for the bolt.
Wow, this went up super fast! Thanks for delivering swift justice to this dishonorable liar! Hunters around the world thank you for making a fool out of this liar and it is disgusting that he would bring his child into this.
-police found the crossbow -father still claims deer ran into line of fire while daughter practicing with it -father already faces charges for handing that crossbow to a minor, suspected for poaching and because the crossbow itself had illegal modifications (laser pointer aiming device)
I feel for you raising daughter's in today's world, i hope you can teach them respect for men and values. The young women i see online are all proud to be sluts and if you call them on it then you're slut shaming them. I've only raised boys, i give you credit
Bolts being called arrow, sure, happens all the time. Crosbow called bow? Never heard someone confuse those, they look very different and have different names in Germany, Armbrust and Bogen. Can't imagine someone who owns one use the wrong word.
That bolt tip looks like a fowl tip used for hunting birds. They are commercially available in the US. They are usually nylon or some type of hard plastic.
I think you may have been right about the guy not thinking it would kill the deer and shot it on purpose. It looks like he may have tried to make a crossbow version of a blowgun stun dart. Maybe he was trying to scare off a pest deer that may have been eating plants in his yard. He figured a blunt head like that would not be able to penetrate skin from a distance. I know that in the US some folks use rock salt and non-lethal rounds in their guns to scare off pest animals.
@Johan sigurdson do that here in the states outside of deer season and without a deer tag and the g&f department is gonna pay you a visit. Then you get to play house with Big Bubba in prison, and boy does he think you got a purdy mouth....
@Johan sigurdson he can and he shall sir. Abide by the rules or dont cry when you're getting buttfucked in prison for breaking the rules. You live in a society of laws, Sir, and you *WILL* abide by them
Strikes me as just an idiot with a deer problem. He wasn't smart enough to know that even a blunt tip can kill if there is enough speed. He probably has a garden, deer kept going in and eating his food. Got mad, made a tip for hitting deer and scaring it off based off of those non lethal tips, and instead it penetrated and killed the thing. Definitely an idiot, probably not a poacher, and I'm betting there is a video of the incident that existed, because he is the smarts and wants to show the interweb peoples how to get rid of garden pests.
Would be stupid to make a video of that in Germany because it's illegal to harm vertebrate for no sufficient reasons... Then he wouldn't be denounced for poaching but for animal abuse :P
We already know he wasn't thinking too much. but I figure he probably assumed it was like giving a horse a whip with those riding crops. once again I am assuming, but it does look like he underestimated the power of a crossbow.
I don't understand how he didn't know that it could lethally injure a deer, because Joerg said that the damage to the fletching indicated that he shot it all the way through an archery mat multiple times
Hallo Spaceboy The arrow was probably damaged because he shot it through the archery mat with a regular tip and when he wanted to scare away the deer he attached the blunt tip because he thought that it wouldn't injure the deer.
He is also a bad liar. I can think of a FAR better lie. For example, I was shooting my crossbow. I had this strange tips and I wanted to see if it could be accurate with these tips. I was at longer range and the target was in the tree line, in the shadows a bit. I fired and right then the deer stepped out of the shadows and bang, got hit. The deer ran off, but I did not think it was seriously injured. I had no idea these tips could do that much damage. In fact, I was not even sure I hit the deer at first. See, FAR better lie, I did not throw my daughter under the bus, my lie seems plausible, and it is much harder to disprove. Lying is a useful skill that people should practice more often. One thing you learn by practicing lying though is, they have diminishing return, so not creating a situation that would need a lie is far better then having to use your skill.
Given the facts presented, the only thing that is *possibly* true is ... fired from a crossbow at a target, being a slightly rounded tip, it could have taken a skip and hit the deer. The father, fearing criminal charges, places the blame as a bow, not crossbow, at the hands of a minor and an accidental shooting. This avoids potential 'poaching' or 'providing access of a weapon to a minor' charges. That being said, Joerg is far more familiar with these things, so I believe him.
Looks like a small game arrow head, so it was almost definitely intended for hunting, though whether he intended to hit the dear or was just a crap shot is up for debate.
Even If the arrow hit the ground with the arrow presented by Joerg skipped off the ground it will not have enough force to pierce the deer afterwards as it was already transferred to the ground. It is nearly impossible to "accidentally" hit a deer during target practice, unless it was a bullet and the deer "accidentally" stood behind a target.
My guess is that the father or daughter foolishly thought shooting the deer wouldn't harm it. They probably thought it would be like shooting a bb gun.
Nothing makes me feel safer than him telling me"if this thing hits you in the gut, you got no chance of survival" and immediately after the camera zooms out to his wide smile.
Jeesh, my heart jumped when I saw the title, I thought at first that Joerg was accused of something like this.
Me too
Yeah
yeah he uploaded his own outing rofl
Same
Likewise!
"This thing hits you in the guts, you got no chance of survival."
**smiles at the camera**
Yeah, that felt terribly inappropriate..... Sometimes jolly just doesn't fit.
Lol
He is a jolly fellow, he’s quite friendly but to jolly.
@@Raczoon How else will he strike fear into the heart of his enemies?
"You've got no chance of survival"
*Laughs in German*
That Cat With Footwear What does German laughing sound like anyway?
No doubt
It's a shame to kill a car just for it's hide. I hope you used the entire vehicle
Kill a car?
Alex Mc r/woooooosh
Alex Mc yeah it’s sad
*chuckles in Späve*
@@AlexReiter1988 Car leather.
Given that the head is homemade, it seems to me like he created the bolt as a means to scare deer off of his property (maybe they had been invading his garden), but sorely underestimated the power of his crossbow, killing the deer even with the attempted non-lethal bolt. Either way, he's definitely lying about the youth bow story, unless his daughter is A LOT stronger than a regular 14 year old girl lol...
Wahoo!
Most people wouldn't have even blinked if he had said this is what happened. He tried to make something non lethal and it failed miserably. Not sure about the the laws there, but I can't imagine much more than a fine for an honest mistake. Now add lying to the police to the charges...
@scrimpy too soon... Too soon.
You make good videos Eli
Blunt arrow heads have been used to hunt for hundreds of years. Usualy smaller gain but still.
A deer jumping in front of arrows? I need to hunt in Germany
A deer onced jumped into my rottweilers jaws !
They tend to jump onto cars. They tend to get very stupid when scared.
IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!
Try machine gun... It's easier, i hunt lion with Gatling gun
They jump in front of cars, so this is possible.
"This is a youth bow probably for a 14 year old girl"
Me: Glances over at the same bow laying against my wall
way to kill the confidence joerg
Dude I swear I thought the same thing 😂😂
A bow is a bow, lol. I would gladly carry that bow and ride a pink bike.
@@allanrobinson1173 ya u right, still I cant wait for the day that I can pull a 20 pound bow
My dad's got a 50 pond bow I can barely pull
-7 points for wimpiness
+76 points for honesty and wit
Well-played. XD
I realised how seriously he was taking this when he said bullshit. I have been watching his videos for almost 2 years and it may be a coincidence but this is the first video of his ive seen where he swears
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He said something along the lines of ‘there’s no pussies here on the slingshot channel’ when he made a fidget spinner with circular blades and then spun it in his bare hand using an air compressor so idk
@@kirkendauhl6990 Didn't he say something similar on the video with the knife throwing guy too ?
well, you have to keep in mind, that swearing itself isn't an issue for most of us germans. we don't have bleeps on TV, we don't have comedians 'working clean' or any of that puritan bullshit. most of us usually try to avoid 'below-the-belt-line'-swearing (meaning sexual references) while being in front of kids, but that's pretty much it. the term 'bullshit' doesn't meet this criteria at all. sometimes it's just awkward to swear in a different language (than your native language), because swearing is usually a quick response to something or someone, and your native language usually is the first thing that comes to mind (he e.g. sometimes says "Scheiße", when he messes up something).
Great point. It's crazy how when a person doesn't cuss like a sailor and then does how affective it is.
May the father's dreams be ever haunted with the constant serenade of "HAHAHAHA!!!".
6:28 In germany wild cars have a very firm leather hide. Only the domesticated ones have to wear a metal cage.
Wild cars? strange place
@@Cam-sl8ve Well, Germany IS the birthplace of cars. So it's quite natural that some have escaped and gone wild.
@@Tjalve70 its a big problem for the Environment all those Mercedes and audi running over animals and release co2
@@Tjalve70 I thought manufactured cars were tamed and domesticated from the natural population of wild cars?
@@neolexiousneolexian6079 Nowadays, manufactured cars are tamed. And they usually don't breed with wild cars. But as I said, Germany is the birthplace of cars. And back 100 years ago or so, the manufactured cars were not quite as tamed as they are now. So some of them managed to run away (you can google "runaway diesel" if you want). And those that managed to run away were able to breed. And so now there are wild cars in Europe, mainly in Germany.
10:51
„When this thing hits you in the guts, you have no chance of survival“
**smiles happily**
Left Handed I noticed that as well
Smiled happily
Left Handed Looking for this exact comment
He smiles happily because he made it he’s always happy with things he makes
Chef Joey I love his enthusiasm fr
This should be used as expert testimony in the court case.
Thought the same.
Yes, it should. The "father" is twat.
It would be briliant if this was sent to police and they acted on it to run thier own tests. But if Germany has any similar legal tests around what constitutes impartiality of a court case then releasing the video ahead of or during a case could actually help the person that shot the deer 😟.
It's not a case unless someone presses charges :/
@@gasoline9666 It is. Simply. The girl did not shot down the deer. Father did. You can't hunt with such a thing. So the court is starting the case with the accusation of blaming someone with false testimony and poaching. Charges pressed by the procurator.
The Father: "It'll be fine. The only way they could find out is if they recreated the arrow and ran some test. Nobody on the internet has time to do that."
JoergeSprave: My hobby currently is creating crossbow bolt based on ideas found on the internet.
:-)
Detective Joerg Sprave, Archery Homicide Division. You may be called as an expert witness.
Nezmund since the newspaper called joerg a weapon expert and police were already looking into this video and accusations in here for their case that might actually come true.
"This is my case *Slams evidence down on the table* LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES"
In the Criminal Justice System, Deer based murders while blaming daughters is considered especially heinous. The man who handles these crimes is known an elite detective known as Joerg Spave. These are his stories
*DUN DUN*
@@Matthew-yp6nj lol
In fact he is an expert in the matter
This man is literally the definition of *Big German Energy*
BDE: Big Deuchtland Engergy
German Engineering got to love it. I like their cars to
Well fegelien has some competiton now
ThatGooberInTheCorner precision german engineering
@God of the Dogs it´s Bratwurst :-D
It’d be hilarious if the German police knocked on Joerg’s door and, in a surprise twist, actually wanted to consult him for various hunting-related investigations.
I think he would jump on that chance. Joerg Sprave, GSG-9 consultant haha. Badass for sure.
Officer Jörg reporting!
Man new tv show!
I'm now just imagining the police bringing him various random things asking "so how the hell did someone get murdered with this?"
They would one day ask how someone got killed with a flying xmas tree
Point of clarification of English phrases: A "White lie" refers only to a harmless lie, for example, "You don't look fat in that dress".
which if we look at the penetration of this crossbow, we can deduce that the father is lying.
@@Harry-x4n key word = harmless (also this is more induction rather than deduction)
Oh you beat me to the comment
I thought "white lie" means that you´re not actually lying, but lying by omission or by twisting the meaning of words.
Like Obi Wan telling Luke that Darth Vader killed his father
@@koryfredrick1164 Obi Wan telling Luke that Vader killed his father was a white lie, because it was meant with good intentions - to avoid Luke having to deal with Vader being his papa. White Lie means a lie with good intentions.
You're such a nice,honest and logical/rational thinking person
He's a proud German what did you expect?
- it wasn't the girl
- it wasn't a bow
- it wasn't an accident
But aside from that, everything he said was completely true. Oh, except it probably wasn't on his property.
It could have still been the girl. Maybe the girl shot a crossbow, which is illegal and her dad claimed it was just a sports bow.
@@lassekauranen7853 nah I doubt it
this deer would have had to "jump into the line of fire" REALLY close to the people who would have presumably been talking and making noise as they do when sport shooting.
Why do you believe that he did not shoot it in his own land?
@@k3kboi665 I mean, why believe that part when the rest was a lie too?
I love this guy. The fact that he did all of this just to prove that someone is lying in order to protect that little girl
He did also get >600000 views.
Germans. Best people.
@@raspadsistema9993 so true
Except he didnt do that to protect the little girl me thinks. More probably the father is the one who shot the deer with a crossbow and then blamed his daughter for it so that he wont have to go to jail for poaching and animal cruelty, yes cruelty think about it. A blunt bolt like that has to punch rediculously hard to penetrate anything, and thats a rather big hole that wouldve caused the deer to bleed out to death, VERY, VERY SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY, writhin in agony until it's dying breath.
protect from what? law? law will don't give a shit with 14 years old kid killing a dear, but if that was father? probably jail.
And it still can be jurnalist mistake because they that *clever* that probably can mistaken bow with crossbow because it's, of course, *same thing* -_-
'Well, ehm, my daughter shot the deer accidantely with a sportsbow'
Joerg: OBJECTION!
"NO THATS WRONG"
@@questionmarkquestionmarkques Danganronpa reference? XD
WHYYYYY YOUUUUU PHOOOEEENIXXX WRIIIGGGGHHHTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!
@@KronMastaMax420 take that!
A bad Dad...let me show you his features!
The dad goes to court, he is charged guilty. Angrily he shouts “is this law!”
From the judge he hears a soft “yes, let me show you its features”
He looks up and sees its mr features himself
He tries to run but hes evaporated as mr features shoots him with the sun using a slingshot
This....i love this in my head
you been smoking crack? 😄
LOL
@@Poth94 if he is I hope he smokes more because that was hilarious
„Velcome to de slingshot channel“
The blunt tip pictured on the original crossbow bolt looks a bit like a 3D printed variant of the 3Rivers Bunny Buster, a device used for small game such as squirrels, rabbits and birds (depending upon one's preference, of course).
Everything about the incident screams "deliberate" -- this is a very specialized round, used for a very specific niche application in hunting, and there's absolutely no way you'd have one on hand unless you've taken the steps to either buy them online or go to the local outfitter.
The most likely scenario I'm imagining in this case is that some dumbass sees deer wandering onto his property eating his garden crops, so he rummages through his hunting gear asking himself what he can use to scare said deer away. Dumbass pulls out the small game tips, thinks "these won't kill 'em," then proceeds to shoot one of the deer at close range before realizing too late that the deer just ran away with the evidence, and there might be consequences.
Crimson Halo thank you for sharing what you know, I found your comment interesting. I always appreciate it when people like you take the time out of their day to share some wisdom
Yeah, great observation. I literally kicked myself when I didn't notice how short the bolt was and how there was barely a nock. I should have been paying more attention...
We will probably never know exactly what happened. All it takes is a few accusations, a little circumstantial evidence, and enough people pointing the finger at him until he changes his story, then people assume he is guilty just because he lied at all. If he didn't know what happened and made up a story that he thought made sense, then later was found to be lying, people will assume he lied on purpose to cover his tracks. How can you prove 100% that he personally did the shot and not his daughter? More circumstantial evidence? Do you need to punish someone, even without proof, to feel like justice was done? Justice is not what you "feel" is right, it is what is right by what actually happened. Just admit we do not know 100% what happened. Why do so many jump to conclusions and make up stories to make people into the "bad guy" when they have absolutely no way of knowing for sure.
Crimson Halo likely but I also believe there was malicious intent as well. The power and limited range required to inflict a fatal wound shows a level of sadism, he wanted to hurt the deer while being close enough to enjoy it. An unsuppressed normal round from a firearms is plenty to frighten the average animal.
Yes that is true, but I was referring to being smeared by the press. If you are accused of something people treat you badly for years. He could get hate mail, he could be fired from his job, people might vandalize his house, his daughter could be bullied at school. These are the social "justice" ramifications he could have for years, regardless of what the court decides.
"This thing hits you in the gut, you got no chance of survival"
*smiles*
I love this man
Jjajajajajaja is awesome
Mr Sprave I think you have proved your point 100%.
"here is our test deer *slap*"
me: LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES! HAHAHA!
Funny
This guy has the best "beer laugh" in the world!
I like his laugh and his voice. He should play a Klingon.
Yah
@Aiden Jones that's the best fake laugh ever
10:49 "This thing hit you in the guts and you've got no chance at survival"
Camera zooms out revealing a big smile on Joergs face
Clearly demonstrated its features.
For a moment I thought from the title that the Daily Mail wrote another hit piece on you.
Adam B same
lol same
Although as a swede we don't get that newspaper, but I think we have many similar newspapers and I thought the exact same thing. Someone had accused Jörg and he was going to debunk he's accusers. I'm glad that was not the video at all!
SAME
Adam B ...I thought the same. Lol
Unlike most others, Jörg debunks everything with the help of common sense, thorough investigating, and using whatever was allegedly used in the case.
Limppu Man lets hope he never debunks a nuke
Francisco Quiñones
No promises.
Wink wink.
Could the Cold War actually end humanity? Well, let's see!
Fluffy Lynx
*(Shows a nuclear weapon)*
_"Let me show you its features! Hahaha!"_
Limppu Man hilarious xD
that lie is impressively pitiful.
a deer jumped magically infront of my daughter while she was innocently shooting a crossbow bolt
from a compound bow with extreme force.
believaBULLSHIT.
The lazy police-work is even more impressive.
@@clemsarts?
@@clemsarts the police is still investigating, the media jump the gun as usual eager to publish before all the fact came out
I have almost shot deer that ran between me and my target on my outside archery range, but out of the hundreds of times I’ve been on the range, it has only happened twice. This is the only partially believable part of the story.
Ur from the gaming beaver!
"Poland jumped in front of my daughter tank ..."
Underaverage Joe savage 😂👌
Lmfao classic!
Lmaooo
America bombing Japan
"Bing"
"Bing"
Dobre pomarańczowe XD
"This thing hits you in the gut, you've got no chance of survival"
*huge grin*
Wrong
@Delon Duvenage hmm its almost like the guts is where your vital organs are
@Delon Duvenage can we take that as you volunteering to show you its features???
@Delon Duvenage so you're basically saying that the only way you can kill someone better than with this is with a rifle? That's like me saying that I could only beat a pocket knife with a machete...
Regardless, you were initially indicating that you could walk away from that gut shot as long as you didn't get hit in a vital organ, so it's only fair if you allow me to shoot you in the gut first seeings as it's such a "primitive weapon" and then you can shoot me in the gut. We can then call an ambulance and see who lives.
I can guarantee that short of a spine or side shot through both kidneys, I'll be out of the emergency ward before you, unless you're leaving in a black bag that is...
@Delon Duvenage if it's one shot, my bet is on the arrow, more likely to make a mess
This thing hits you in the gut, you've got no change of survival
**Smiles**
wat
@@orangejoe204 quote from this Video
@@jakobs.9063 ah
Happy thoughts :)
Your comment has been copied and still got more likes than you.
You have to make this a regular series, "Sprave's Backyard Forensics"
i sure hope it's the show would be regular since that would mean people regularly break crime like this -.-'
(unless he can search cases from history or he goes world wide - then there might be enough cases like this for full on series - i really hope people don't do this to animals or other people on regular basis)
I'd pay for a subscription to that.
When I was in Basic Training, we were at the gun range one day, getting to shoot (briefly) a tripod mounted machine gun. There were three set up, and the target was an old APC, about 150yds downrange. Three teams had just taken their places, when two deer came out of the trees a little to the side of the target and proceeded to walk in front of it. The three teams each immediately opened up, despite the sargeant yelling at them to cease fire. They must have fired several hundred rounds in those few seconds. When the smoke cleared, the deer looked back at us, and calmly walked off the range. The sargeants were laughing so hard at the clowns at the guns that they didn't even scream at them.....too much. True story.
the seargents were laughing because they enjoyed it and would have done the same, because in the usa killing deer is about as offensive as killing an insect or a rat
deer kill 200 people and cause 1 billion dollars of property damage per year in the USA, they are a major pest
I just laughed so hard right now. Only in Murica.
Pretty sure they laughed at the dudes who couldn't hit anything
@@M0M0M0M0M Deer were in America before humans even set foot on the continent
@@M0M0M0M0M By that logic, wouldn't you consider humans a much greater pest than deer?
Judge... Prosecutor, present your expert witness..
Prosecutor... Yes your honor.. We call Mr Joerg Sprave to the stand..
Judge.. Any objections?
Defense... No sir.
Prosecutor.. Mr Sprave... Can you explain to the court your summary of the events sir.
Joerg... Yes , here's my report... Let me show you it's feature...hahahaha...
Defendant...shits himself
Steven Crawford “shits himself” that killed me
@@tordropzz2828 oh, I'm sorry man
Exactly
@@markperry2827 yeah..tellthem
🤣
CSI JoergSprave On Scene! :D
Yeeeeeeeeeah!
Sherlock JoergSprave on scene
I love how passionate he is about the steam crossbow auto loading
I will say.... Hes living in the future and the past at the same time with that shit.
I thought that thing only exists in Metro Exodus
Imagine if he let go by accident at 4:09 and the bolt flew off and killed a deer
Imagining the "whoops" followed by a deer cry from out of frame got me. Well done.
That’s when he says “My daughter was using a sport bow”
This is probably my favorite comment on this video lol
Haha :D
Nothing to see here folks 🤫
Dad throwing his daughter under the bus, how nice.....
its fake all of it there is no father there is no daughter only some government people trying to in the extention make bows illegal
Have you ever heard of fluoridation?
Feffnirsbane Hmmm that's a lil to "info wars" for me liking. Sure the dad's story is BS but this being some government plot is an unsubstantiated assertion
Drakshl do you not like info wars?
Not sure about German laws, but my guess is the daughter would get a lesser punishment, but as an adult he'd be up the creek.
That my friend is a small game tip... If someone shot a deer with one of those it had to be absolutely deliberate, you don't just shoot something like that off by accident or mistake.
Tja und jetzt liegt der polizei der Beweis vor der nase und die juckt das nicht wirklich😑😑das ist deutsche Idiocracy
aber wenn jemand die Flüchtlingspolitik kritisiert ist er schnell weg vom Fenster @@joshuamatthias1781
Oh das kann passieren. Ich hab mal ausversehen auf ne Rotte Wildschweine mit ner FlW geschossen..... War nicht so schön was über war von den 2 die ich mit dem 50 cal erwischt habe 😬
She got hunting aimbot
Not necessarily true. You are supposed to practice loosing arrows with both target arrow/bolt heads and the heads you use for hunting. They travel, aim, and feel fairly different from each other and much like a hunter needs to sight in their rifle, the bow hunter/crossbow hunter must test and practice with the actual bolts you use. That being said, there is no way that a 14 year old girl can produce enough force with an arrow like that from a small youth bow to penetrate and kill the deer throw the thick hide and muscle the deer has unless it was a miraculous eye shot or something, but I find that just as unlikely. It's just not possible. The father, who threw his daughter under the bus, is completely full of it.
Or sure how I stumbled across this channel, but I am now binge watching all the videos. This guy is hilarious
Same
Welcome guys. Be sure to check out Skall as well 🙂
7:27, well guess I'm spending the rest of the night figuring out how to make the "bing" sound my notification
Hello 4 months ago guy, I did exactly this so if you still want it I can send you the .m4a XD
@@HellCrescent Please, I need it!
@@HellCrescent could you somehow put it in this thread?
@@HellCrescent I need it
Mee too :D
Yeah I just hate it when I'm teaching my daughter to use a bow and a deer magically flies in front of the arrow.
@Sasquatch Ah right because driving down the road is definitely the same as shooting a deer with a crossbow and then blaming your daughter saying she was practicing with her bow.
@@jsubtext7334 It is not THAT unlikely, actually. First: The deer would not have noticed the projectile. Second: The roe deer population in germany is very high in some places, and the deers know exactly if it is hunting season or not. Off season, I had many close encounters inside 200m of villages. If they were shooting in the evening near a forest line, good chance to have a deers come out at some point. How hard would it be to hit a deer with your car if you wanted to? still happens all the time in germany. Third: If you are aiming at a practice target, you get tunnel vision and won´t notice anyone or anything approaching your line of shot until it´s too late. You gotta make sure that no one can enter the target areas BEFORE you start shooting. It is really amazing what you don´t see. Bonus: while on a field archery practice range, a family member very nearly accidentally shot a deer around 4pm, that was just idly standing among the rubber foam mock deers at 30m. He was already drawing back, when one of the things suddenly moved....no harm done, but...it was time to pack up and go home, then.
So, yes, unlikely, but not totally outer-worldly unlikely. Still within the realm of possible reality. Crazy shit happens, YT is proof.
Sasquatch so there is no difference between a car with a 10 second stop time with others that might be behind you and a >350 feet a second bolt in the woods where aiming is the only thing you are thinking of?
Paavo Bergmann
We can’t base this on if this was a full powered crossbow. A youth bow cannot reach the kinds of range and speed for this kind of accident to happen. The practice target couldn’t have been more than 40 yds away at the very most. With that kind of range, you can see anything that is or is going to be between you and the target. Plus, with a target that is relatively close, a deer would have to get even closer to the people, something deer rarely do, in order to intercept the arrow. Furthermore, the arrow from a youth bow wouldn’t be able to penetrate the deer from 20-30 yds away because Sprave could barely do it at only 5 ft. away. Therefore, the story is pretty much implausible.
Go to Hickock .45. He has deer randomly running into his firing range all the time, and he doesn’t “accidentally” shoot them, nor do they just run in front of his bullets. He’s using rifles and handguns in the middle of the woods, too. If you get tunnel vision while shooting, make sure you don’t take anybody you care about hunting with you. You need to be aware of your surroundings at all times while using a weapon of any kind. Tunnel Vision is no excuse for sloppy shots that hit people and animals that you aren’t aiming at.
@@paavobergmann4920 well has this guy has shown you would need a crossbow to penetrate a deer with that type of Bolt
“This thing hits you in the gut, you’ve got no chance of survival”
*smiles at camera*
A "white lie" is a harmless one, like telling a lie to spare someones feelings. Not what you meant there I think.
its the government wanting to make bows illegal
Excellent
Nostra Fn Damus nah, it's a lie from a white guy.
Maybe he tried to say "wide lie"?
Maybe it means something else in Germany
"and i would have gotten away with it if it were for you meddling crossbowmen!"
As a former hunter.
If its not a quick and clean kill it's one of the most deplorable acts a person can do to an animal.
Depending in what you're hunting.
If its down but alive you must either slit it's throat or pierce its heart.
There is debate as to which is better a head shot or heart shot.
When piercing the brain the body goes into spasm like a rubber band toy being released.
Some think this death spasm is painless, others think its the body reacting to pain.
I'll leave it up to the hunter to decide which they think is better.
But all hunters must ensure the game doesn't needlessly suffer.
I have no real qualifications, but I happen to know that the brain (or at least a human brain) doesn't have any nerve endings, and can't feel pain, aside from the entry wound through skin and skull. The brain is also responsible for understanding pain. So my guess would be a headshot would be the best, since damaging the brain sufficiently would shut off the ability to feel pain, whereas a shot to the heart would take until the brain ran out of oxygen to have that effect.
Again though, this is just speculating, I could well be missing something
The brain is sometimes smaller and harder to hit right, then the heart tough.
coryman125
That's generally the debate.
With head shots an animal can kick and flip and flop quiet violently.
Squirrels have been known to leap quite high from it.
Where as a heart shot knocks them over with minimal twitching.
Some view this behavior as the body flipping out like its lots control all of a sudden.
Hench the rubber band toy analogy.
Once you let it go (in this case the brain let's go) everything just fires off all at once.
Others view it as the animal lashing out in fear and pain due to the sudden thrashing.
But as you said the heart shot would stop blood flow meaning there's a few seconds of awareness as the brain dies off.
Either option is relatively quick though when compared to how wolves and lions kill.
Usually its a smothering action.
I'm not familiar with decapitation of most animals but some like the chicken will literary run around non stop once their heads been cut off.
Personally I was clearest shot.
I wouldn't shot if it wasn't a guaranteed kill.
selfworthy
Depends on the target.
Plus if shot in the head it ruins the skull if its a trophy hunt.
coryman125 pain is registered in the thalamus, a very deep and primal part of the brain... unless your specifically wrecking all of the tissue there it's very unlikely that the creature feels nothing as if it were a switch being turned off.
so i'd guess there's a few seconds of pain and/or panic in the animal either way
'You are an awful dad! Hahahahaha!" 😂
- JoergSprave, 2019 -
Ummm, not to be rude, but aweful is good, awful is 👎
@@ethangoldsmith9332 thanx didn't see that 😂
@@barneystinson9237 no problemo
The ultimate judgement
I smell meme-potential here. To put it in my verrry german words. This where the hare lies in the pepper.
Those tips looks like those used in medieval times for bird and rabbit hunting
a blunt one to just knock it (or immediatly kill it by brute force) out and not damage the meat
Wow that makes perfect sense. I wonder why people stopped using them. It seems like it would be an ethical kill. Can't imagine a rabbit would survive a hit like that.
Fee_ Lo
When you hit the rabbit in the butt you might only break many bones without lethally wounding it so it dies a slow and painful death...
With a sharp tip it would bleed out when you don't hit properly which would be a much quicker death.
when you hit a rabbit with that force in the back end you most likely break it's back which then if the rabbit would try and move it would die.
That's a really cruel way to kill an animal. I'm an experienced hunter and I shot quite a few rabbits in my life, but I never enjoyed or endorsed intentionally maiming the animal instead of instantly killing it. This is why I don't like using arrows or very small caliber rifles, the old 12Ga may fill the meat with pellets but will instantly drop small game.
7m59s -- You made me spit my coffee over my keyboard! I love your thought processes: "I know let me use my 'little' crossbow and try."
I cannot explain how much enjoyment I get from your videos and this is one of my favourites (all my friends have seen the first ten minutes).
Cheers Joerg, love your channel. Didn't find this video until recently.
I would so love to be able to visit and watch you make one of your awesome videos, but I know that is not possible :(
Joerg declares Shenanigans
Thorny Dig8 poacher do you accept the charge of SHANANAGENS
Are you sure you wish to declare shinanigans? That's a very serious charge!
I'm going to pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans
Mike R Shenanigans.
Thorny Dig8 r/ QuitYourBullshit
Oh dear
Pun intended?
Eburon HAHAHAHAHDHAFJFJSKALXBDKDKFBEAPSND dead
Pun was most certainly intended
deer :)
No pun intended,you had to write in "deer" in order for it to be one.
guy was prob stupid and thought the arrow wouldn't do any harm, i never expected a tip like that would penetrate.
but why dafuq would you poach with a arrow like that, unlikely too.
john pardon perhaps specifically so you can claim an accident when you're caught.
Birki gts. he might not have been poaching and just shot at the dear because hes an idiot. Either way, the father is a dumb ass, and if the daughter did it, shes pretty stupid 2.
Maybe just to drive away the animal from his garden.
Lev Yoo then you dont shoot the animal you scream and try to scare it
Exactly what I was thinking, looks like a garbage/ bear deterrent or idiot non lethal deer practice arrow. Definitely proved crossbow was used , but" who shot? "and worlds worst poacher is still debatable.
You just have to love his passion to optimize functionality of things. The way he enjoys the crossbow cocking is just adorable.
13:52 i felt ashamed for a moment although i didn't do anything :( The scolding was too powerful
I got the same sensation....
Hahahahaha
Snowflake.
stop COVERING UP MY DAMN SCREEN
goddamn millenials being so selfish
@@kevinkelly1529 I can tell you are a bad person
That poor deer, that looks like an extremely painful way to die.
P1K3L being burned alive.
@@Adventure_fuel cool story bro
deer are pests that kill people, damage property, and spread disease
@@M0M0M0M0M so are humans. your point?
@Jesus Christ classic jesus
Joerg has proven this much: That is definitely a crossbow bolt, and it was definitely fired from a crossbow. There is no legitimate way to argue otherwise.
Which means at least one crime was committed by the father, when he lied to the police. Another crime was committed if it was the 14 year old daughter who fired it, but either way, the father is guilty of making a false statement to the police.
It is difficult if not impossible to prove intent, but Joerg is right to point out that the father's story about the deer just so happening to jump into the path of the arrow as it was fired is unlikely to the point of absurdity. A good interrogator could poke holes in this story until the man admits what actually happened, which is probably that he intentionally shot the deer with a crossbow.
I kinda want to know what happened. Did the police consider these facts or have they seen this video. If so it's an open shut case.
Or the daughter is 6 ft 4 and built bigger and stronger than Joerg and they have a nasty 300 pound draw bow
The blunted tip was to prevent the arrow from tarnishing the hide. People do it with small game usually. The arrow is intended to kill the animal by delivering shock to the internals. Think about it like a hammer hit verse a sword. It's inhumane especially for big game like deer.
In the SCA in Canada I used to do combat archery. Rubber varmint blunts on a 28" arrow using a 30Lb bow. Fencing mask and leather gloves with a kidney belt and jock cup were required protection. I was shot from 20-30 feet away with just a thin layer of cloth as protection in the legs, torso, arms and shoulder many times. Youth bows are typically 20Lbs, especially if it was used by a 14 year old girl. A 30lb bow left me with red welts similar to those acquired in paintball competition. There is no way that father is telling the truth.
SCA! What kingdom?
SCA! AEthelmearc native!
Meridies, born and raised. Can confirm. Even my reproduction 14th C. crossbow doesn't have that kind of power, and your average 14 year old would have trouble even drawing it without a windlass.
Damn it would take police 18 or more days to solve this
This guy solved this in 14 mins
More then that you forgetting about editing
I think you’re forgetting that life goes on outside of UA-cam videos my man.
Hence why exsperts are important in policing... It to him and me from the offset just looks impossible for the story to be true due to us already knowing the nature of all of the component's mentioned, thus before the story would of even been thought of we would know if to be false, but looking is all things. Jorge though brilliant in this case wouldn't be able to help so quickly in other speciality cases where his specialist knowledge does not directly have any impinging perspective that would help to close a case in another topic or criminal avenue.
Plus thousands of dollars in supplies, labor, and research for them to reenact same scenario......
I then chuckle hahaha like this man.
Ummm no. . . . .
Police need EVIDENCE to link the man to the crime
They know his story is fake but how to PROVE that he is without a doubt lying and actually committed a crime. You are innocent until proven guilty.
Not to mention this youtuber is an expert in this field whereas a police officer is not and does not just have crossbows lying around for them to test.
Police also have to go through proper procedures and paperwork not just simply say HE'S GUILTY because i tested a similar arrow and it didnt work.
They have to take their time to be thorough and build up a proper case against the defendant, not just make a video like this.
If you have ever seen how a court case proceeds then you would understand it is a very thorough system which tries to cover every corner/possibility.
I was worried upon seeing the title that somebody had attempted to slander you again! Very glad that's not the case, I love watching your channel. Keep up the awesome builds/work!
again? When has it happpened?
@@CWGminer I don't quite remember all of the details, but I remember that there was a journalist who wrote for the Daily Mail that wrote a very insulting article about Jörg about two years ago. I don't really remember enough to elaborate on it though.
Same
@@TheItalianBreadMan I think it had something to do with the dude on london who hit 5 ppl with a van and stabbed a cop.
an important fact to remember when looking at the gelatin test is that when joerg fired the bow he had to use a longer arrow than the actual bolt that was fired. so not only would it have been impossible to fire the shorter arrow from a bow, but the wound probably would not even have penetrated the deer's skin
nappy poncho how much do you k ow about crossbows
Exactly. The leather used in this test is much thinner and weaker than a deer's hide, so if it was actually shot with a youth bow with a blount tip, the deer wouldn't even bleed. It would've been a nasty bruise at most
"This thing hits you in the gut, you've got no chance of survival. *smile*"
Im not sure what I should be more pissed about, the fact that the Dad pinned it on his daughter, or the fact thst the article called it a Bullet and not an arrow
Could be a translation issue.
Bolt not an arrow
Translation issue. the german word is more like projectile, which can mean arrow and bullet
@@blubb27 Why is a Russian teaching us about German?
Definitely the arrow bullet situation
This is amazing how someone who isn’t a government official can prove someone wrong so easily.
Good job joerg
Just goes to show how much you can do with experience, homegrown ingenuity and a smidge of logic. And also the intuition to give a shit.
It's his specialty and he has no agenda
Because the government has some ability just for being government?
@@brettpomeroy6804 No, but they have access to expensive methods if need be.
what makes you think? courts consult experts if need be.
Also, especially in Germany, we all know if stuff like this happend, we call the police.
Only someone who did it on purpose will not do that
There is a saying 'those that shout innocence the loudest, are usually guilty'
Thats some dumb logic... so because you dont call the cops you’re automatically guilty?
@@nutmeg9005 what the other reply said is right but also, leaving a deer out like that when you know how powerful the arrow is, that's just wrong
Adam Gillespie no yea i agree but just the way the original cmnt phrased was weird
@@nutmeg9005 "the way the original cmnt phrased was weird"
Also: "no yea"
haha
He did lie for sure. However why would a poacher have blunt tipped arrows and why would he then not chase and collect the deer?
Because he is a sociopath who just like killing things and doesn't give a shit about the deer?
Honestly he was probably trying to drive the deer off his land and didn't think the blunt tip would do that much damage.
OspreyKnight either that or he wanted to do some sort of practice hunt. And just didn't realize that would kill the deer
Or he knew that he fucked up and hope that it would just go off somewhere quiet to die and no one would find it cuz he's dumb
OspreyKnight
He could have just screamed at it, not shoot it with a crossbow then throw his daughter under the bus.
That's a bird head! Made to knockout a bird. Not a deer! My Dad used rubber tips like that for pheasant hunoting with his recurve bow.
Interesting. I only recently got into these videos and such. Ok, so then this is a bolt for a crossbow to knockout birds? Wouldn't that thing just turn a bird into a bunch of feathers? We know it can't be an arrow for a bow. Way too short.
Obvious story. That guy was shooting crossbows and decided that it might be fun to shoot some animals. He did not have the balls to really hunt so he build these tips to have some fun and did totally underestimate the power of the crossbow..
What a total bastard
And plus the deer's jump is just so unlikely to happen and seems so suspicious
For people who live near the woods (at least in parts of the US I dont know about Germany) deer can be a major pest eating ornamental plants out of yards and what not. An alternate explanation was that this guy wanted the deer out of his lawn, and in an attempt at humane pest control created a bolt he thought would be enough to hurt a deer and get it leave but he underestimated the power for the bolt.
@@rachelmclean2483 Yeah, good call
Also in germany it's illegal to hunt without a hunting license wich is very expensive and difficult to get.
I know this is a bit old, but I just wanted to say that I really respect you even more for making this video.
Petition to make every video game have the *BING* sound ( 7:27 ) he makes as the standard sound effect for a ricochet
Playing war thunder with a tank auto an in against good armour
*BIBINGBINBINGBINGNBINH*
@@skjorta1984 imagine low tier matches (like reserve vehicles and such). Would be just a constant bingbingbingbing
@@skjorta1984 also... I've just figured out the ideal sound for a kill. "Boom" - CrazyRussianHacker
Ngl it sounds like Donald trumps bing
Sniper elite 4:
Me: shoots man in head
*BING*
Wow, this went up super fast! Thanks for delivering swift justice to this dishonorable liar! Hunters around the world thank you for making a fool out of this liar and it is disgusting that he would bring his child into this.
Kenneth Compton: Hear Hear!
PS - Give us a follow up if there is one later. Thanks Jorge👍🏻
-police found the crossbow
-father still claims deer ran into line of fire while daughter practicing with it
-father already faces charges for handing that crossbow to a minor, suspected for poaching and because the crossbow itself had illegal modifications (laser pointer aiming device)
DeHerg nice at least some justice
@@DeHerg Thanks D...... such a horrible way for an animal to die and suffering like that .
@@DeHerg has he been acquitted or was he found guilty, or are the court proceedings still going on?
@@doigt6590 it seems like its still ongoing or the ruling was not openly announce
10:51 "This thing hits you in the gut you've got no chance of survival"
*proceeds to smile heartwarmingly*
But thats just a THEORY!
A JEORGE THEORY!
Daniel Do why are you like this?
Battles my parents said i was special. It took me 10 years to finally figure out what that meant.
Daniel Do funny, my mom said the same. I’m 22 and still haven’t figured out what she meant...
aaaaaaaaaaaand cut ^^ :D
Jörg*
-"How do you like your eggs?"
**Puts on sunglasses**
-"Poached."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!!!!!
Why are you this way...
😂😂😂😂
Nice
LMAOOOOO
"Gottieeee"
Damn it would be extreamly painful to get hit by such a bolt -_- !
I love how he has such contempt for the man that he says father type of guy.
"This thing hits you in the gut, you have no chance of surviving."
Pans up to see him smiling like a psycho
"This thing hits you in the gut, you've got no chance of survival."
*grins at camera*
As a father of daughters, it's on him whether his kid fired the crossbow or not.
I feel for you raising daughter's in today's world, i hope you can teach them respect for men and values. The young women i see online are all proud to be sluts and if you call them on it then you're slut shaming them. I've only raised boys, i give you credit
@@SoulDelSol And what horrible boys they sure are with such a father.....Keep them away from here...
@@pjukas And yours would of got a abortion if they could see you now.
@@garmr2512 Awww...are you butt-hurt?....are you not a big boy "alpha" or something? Did women hurt your self esteem?
@@pjukas You know if you didn't waste your money simping to egirls you might be able to move outside your mothers basement or better yet get a GF.
How can that laugh be so inviting and jolly and then switch to incredibly intimidating in a different situation?
If I had a nickle every time a deer jumped in front of me when I was shooting something...
I'd have 0 nickles...
Unlucky Fat Guy I’d have 1 nickel
But it was more of me missing entirely and somehow hitting a deer instead of a piece of paper on a clothes line
I had a partridge take off after I shot a stump behind it.
@Peter C that's why jacking deer is illegal. They're that dumb.
If had a nickle everytime i shot something with chance of being lethal...
I'd owe god 4 nickels
"test deer!" *evil laughter and proceeds to slap deers booty*
To people everything that looks like an arrow is “bow and arrow“
Like every pokemon is Pikachu for every mom in this world.
AFCA - World Bodybuilding Archive every gaming platform is nintendo
Bolts being called arrow, sure, happens all the time. Crosbow called bow? Never heard someone confuse those, they look very different and have different names in Germany, Armbrust and Bogen. Can't imagine someone who owns one use the wrong word.
Jakob Schmidt dude you'd be surprised
considering people are dumb enough to think the "nigerian prince" thing is true, id say its not that suprising
@@NinjahPenguinZ playstation*
That bolt tip looks like a fowl tip used for hunting birds. They are commercially available in the US. They are usually nylon or some type of hard plastic.
Someone one should recruit Joerg into the German police as an expert for this one. A German Sherlock Holmes!
he's from the wrong state for that case.
I think you may have been right about the guy not thinking it would kill the deer and shot it on purpose. It looks like he may have tried to make a crossbow version of a blowgun stun dart. Maybe he was trying to scare off a pest deer that may have been eating plants in his yard. He figured a blunt head like that would not be able to penetrate skin from a distance. I know that in the US some folks use rock salt and non-lethal rounds in their guns to scare off pest animals.
We don't talk like that...
YOU COMMIE SPY!!!
@Johan sigurdson do that here in the states outside of deer season and without a deer tag and the g&f department is gonna pay you a visit. Then you get to play house with Big Bubba in prison, and boy does he think you got a purdy mouth....
I have shotgun blanks on tripwires around my garden to scare off the deer, you can get the devices online and they just mount to a fence post.
@Johan sigurdson he can and he shall sir. Abide by the rules or dont cry when you're getting buttfucked in prison for breaking the rules. You live in a society of laws, Sir, and you *WILL* abide by them
Strikes me as just an idiot with a deer problem. He wasn't smart enough to know that even a blunt tip can kill if there is enough speed. He probably has a garden, deer kept going in and eating his food. Got mad, made a tip for hitting deer and scaring it off based off of those non lethal tips, and instead it penetrated and killed the thing. Definitely an idiot, probably not a poacher, and I'm betting there is a video of the incident that existed, because he is the smarts and wants to show the interweb peoples how to get rid of garden pests.
Would be stupid to make a video of that in Germany because it's illegal to harm vertebrate for no sufficient reasons...
Then he wouldn't be denounced for poaching but for animal abuse :P
We already know he wasn't thinking too much. but I figure he probably assumed it was like giving a horse a whip with those riding crops. once again I am assuming, but it does look like he underestimated the power of a crossbow.
You're a smart one.
I don't understand how he didn't know that it could lethally injure a deer, because Joerg said that the damage to the fletching indicated that he shot it all the way through an archery mat multiple times
Hallo Spaceboy The arrow was probably damaged because he shot it through the archery mat with a regular tip and when he wanted to scare away the deer he attached the blunt tip because he thought that it wouldn't injure the deer.
Sounds like the guy who shoot the deer was experimenting with arrow heads, I think he tried to replicate a 12 gauge shotgun slug with a crossbow
He is also a bad liar. I can think of a FAR better lie. For example, I was shooting my crossbow. I had this strange tips and I wanted to see if it could be accurate with these tips. I was at longer range and the target was in the tree line, in the shadows a bit. I fired and right then the deer stepped out of the shadows and bang, got hit. The deer ran off, but I did not think it was seriously injured. I had no idea these tips could do that much damage. In fact, I was not even sure I hit the deer at first.
See, FAR better lie, I did not throw my daughter under the bus, my lie seems plausible, and it is much harder to disprove. Lying is a useful skill that people should practice more often. One thing you learn by practicing lying though is, they have diminishing return, so not creating a situation that would need a lie is far better then having to use your skill.
"crossbows are illegal in germany, you need a special permission" - apparently not true
Piotr Nod that is not true.
no permission for crossbows?
correct. You don't need a permission to buy, own, carry, trade or make one.
wow, thats suprising.
In Poland that kind of weapon is a thorn in the ass of gov. almost legendary assasyn weapon (;
Thank you for reply.
9:14
A piece of deer can easily a piece of bleed to death a bit
..I am a piece of very like this way to speak
Haha I had to go back twice because I thought he said "peaceful" deer at first. Like an innocent peaceful deer frolicking in the woods
Given the facts presented, the only thing that is *possibly* true is ... fired from a crossbow at a target, being a slightly rounded tip, it could have taken a skip and hit the deer. The father, fearing criminal charges, places the blame as a bow, not crossbow, at the hands of a minor and an accidental shooting. This avoids potential 'poaching' or 'providing access of a weapon to a minor' charges.
That being said, Joerg is far more familiar with these things, so I believe him.
Looks like a small game arrow head, so it was almost definitely intended for hunting, though whether he intended to hit the dear or was just a crap shot is up for debate.
Even If the arrow hit the ground with the arrow presented by Joerg skipped off the ground it will not have enough force to pierce the deer afterwards as it was already transferred to the ground. It is nearly impossible to "accidentally" hit a deer during target practice, unless it was a bullet and the deer "accidentally" stood behind a target.
My guess is that the father or daughter foolishly thought shooting the deer wouldn't harm it. They probably thought it would be like shooting a bb gun.
Reck Yourself >350 feet a second won’t damage him?
Friends,
What a wonderful target 6:19 what kind of father put the blame on his daughter.
Thank you, Kenny
This guy is secretly Solaire of Astora. I know it. His laugh is the same!
Or maybe Siegward of Catarina
Let’s participate in jolly cooperation! Let me show you it’s features!
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Praise the sun!!
Siegward
Nothing makes me feel safer than him telling me"if this thing hits you in the gut, you got no chance of survival" and immediately after the camera zooms out to his wide smile.
Zehr gut Herr Sprave. This was a test. We would like to offer you a position mitt Bundeskriminalamt.
Bravo Joerg very good analysis !! Thank you for your very informativ videos. YOU ARE THE ONE !!!