After eyeing things for a few months - watching videos from Peter and others, listening to Vic Tesolin and the Fine Woodworking guys talk about MFTs vs table saws, I picked up a MFT table kit last weekend. After about 3 hours I went to Benchdog's site based on your videos Peter and purchased the kit and some dogs. Couldn't be happier, this just feels like the right way to do the work I do. Thanks for all your videos!
As an non English speaker I love your excellent accent and your storyteller voice, it’s amazing to listen! And of course I always learn something practical, great too! Please, please come soon with the portable MTF-Table, I just wanted to start next week with mine, but I will wait for you helpful thoughts.
Just bought this system and on your advice bought a third fence dog plus the thumb wheels to hold them down tight. Bought a whole lot more too to speed up my cabinet and door construction. Used your code, just waiting delivery. Got the Parf Mk2 kit too but waiting on the Medite MDF to turn up. Frustrating, I want to try out my new toys.
I have been contemplating this as well. I already have the bench dogs and an aluminum extrusion that I use as per your earlier videos on the subject. I do as much sawing on this setup as possible, mainly for the safety and convenience of working on my assembly table, which is another thanks per all your videos on MFTs etc. The really really neat thing about the mark II is the under the fence extension!!! It definitely helps with short or odd size pieces of material that otherwise I have 3 jigs for. Thanks again and look forward to your portable bench build.
Honestly Peter I don't know what I'd do without you. I'm looking to take my first plunge into the Festool saw (pun intended) and all of your videos have 100% convinced me to do it. Thank you. I've just become a proud Patreon member. Looking forward to going through the new content on there!
Your workshop looks to be about the same size as mine, except my back wall is a garage door. I am finding your videos to be not only inspirational, but absolutely perfect for those with a small shop. I have been very hesitant to purchase some of the bench dogs products, much less a festool track saw. But with your VERY informative videos, I have ordered both the festool track saw as well as THIS bench dog system (on notification when it's available). Thank you for making the effort, taking the time, and being awesome. :) Also, thanks to you brits (and some common sense), I have abandoned imperial and use only metric now. Being a 55 year old American, this is monumental. Metric is so much easier on the aging brain. :) Request : can you do a quick video about cutting finger joints with your tracks/benchdog system(s)?
Thanks Ron! Yes, I’m afraid the benchdogs fence seems to be out of stock - can’t imagine why! Really pleased to hear that the videos are helpful, and thanks so much for your kind comments! Best wishes, Peter. 👍👍
Definitely will be investing in one of these Peter once my workshop and MFT setup is sorted. And no, you are not alone, I love my Benchdogs rail square and find myself at times just staring at it 😂
I use this system on my home made mft and like it a lot. I use the fence flat on the table which makes it sturdier as i noticed it has a tendency to bend when dealing with heavy sheets.
those flag stops look like the wink link. They need to redesign those so they are more HD Fence stops take a lot of abuse those look like they would bend,move or flex even if you were being careful. The extra little stop behind the low portion was nice touch. I dont see the need for it to be so high either as you pointed out it tends to make it more rocky.
Heh Peter, brilliant as always. Just bought the newer MK2.1 with the 200mm built in. I also used your discount code so a very happy bunny. Cheers mate.
Looks like an awesome product. I hope to build an MFT in the coming months and this fence would be perfect. I am building a built in entertainment center and really missing a system for repeatable cross cuts for my track saw.
It's impressive the amount of support coming out for non machine cutting solutions, especially for those who don't have a workshop to do the work. I'm enthused. I'm added to your patreon list now mate.
Hi, great video thanks. When calibrating my rail, the end of the 200 mm under track extrusion projects beyond my track and my saw would cut into it as I finish my cut. Am I being a bit dumb? I can’t find info about this on the Benchdogs site so wondered if you knew what I’m doing wrong as the track saw guru? KR
I just purchased the fence system (fully loaded kit) and received it earlier this week. I messed with it a bit to get familiar with all the parts. I did a 5-cut test using it and my track saw rail with BenchdogsUk rail dogs and was happy to get .009 degrees of accuracy. Today I'm going to use it "for real" for the first time to break down a full sheet of plywood (using two MFT tables connected together to support the full sheet.). I also purchased the rail square kit which is still in transit.
Another great watch I’ve got the oozenest extrusion Peter but like the new one with marking sizes Looking forward to your bench build mate Where about in Liverpool where you brought up seen an earlier video you saying you was from Liverpool 👍
Peter Millard I live in Netherley if you can remember where that is not far from huyton 😊 Your channel is taking off peter I have all my family up the wall always watching your videos 😂👍
1) I mean this as a compliment, you are the "gateway drug" to expensive tools. You have introduced me to festool and mafell and my life will never be the same. 2) Your north american fans are waiting for your mft build. come on man, i have my build on hold because i want to see what you come up with. don't keep us waiting dude!!!!
Me too! Seriously, it’s very well made kit, and I was a customer long before I had any association with the company - which is a very recent development. 👍👍
These products seem really nice. Looking forward to trying some out when I finally get around to completing my mft top... Cheers and thanks for sharing.
Can you please do a video on how to calibrate the parallel guide in IMPERIAL scale. I calibrate using the method post for METRIC scale did not come out accurate. Thanks, Damon
Great video and very helpful! Ordered mine and received, looks like a nice piece of kit. Only thing I don’t like is the flag stop, it broke straight out of the box as I tried to tighten the screw, split in half ☹️ I might have to contact Benchdogs and see what they say
Do you have any tips for better using the track dogs? I've tried using a similar setup but lifting the track to remove the cut and place a new one is such a pain. I find myself just going back to using the rail flip system built into the bench instead.
very cool. i’m in the middle of building a cross cut jig using Ron Paulk’s plans. debating if i should toss it and just get this. [UPDATE] just ordered the 1400mm one! I figured i can use my other one for cutting full size sheets. briefly debated with self on units. ended up getting the metric. used the promo code.
I bought one of the original ones, but hardly use it. That’s mainly because there is no support under the track and hence I often lose some accuracy (most of of my pieces seem to be relatively short). I ended up buying the Festool rail (secondhand), which as you say has the lowered section to sit under the rail. Also, the Fencedog rail takes up a row of dog holes, which on my narrower self made MFT I can’t afford. The MK2 looks an improvement, but that boat has sailed for me.
Cheers Simon. The under-rail support extension is available as an extra for the MK1 profile, though it throws the scale off of course. Out of interest how did you fix the Festool rail into your MFT top? Thanks! P
@@10MinuteWorkshop My MFT top is built on a Ron Paulk style bench top. I then added a vertical, sliding length of Birch ply along the back and fastened the Festool rail to that. I get max width out of my bench, which for space reasons is 600mm. If I could attach a photo it would make more sense...!
I haven't tried it, but almost certainly - the extrusion is standard 20-40 v-groove, but with the proprietary flat face for the laser-etched scale in the Benchdogs fence. I'll check when I'm in the workshop later - I'm curious too. 👍
Thank you Peter- just assembled my Bench Dogs Fence Mk2 and it’s a superb bit of kit that makes my MFT style (parf-guide) table even more useful. Wouldn’t have known about it without your video!
I do have a coupe of the original Benchdogs fence systems (a metric one and a imperial one which fits in a Systainer), and recently bought the under-rail 'add-on'... These are good but I have since discovered the Incra fence system (Flip fence of any desired lenght + Flip stop shop) which can be mounted to a MFT like table in a similar way with Benchdogs' Incra dogs, and think it's an alternative worth considering. It does lack the under rail tricks (although there are some workarounds), but offers some other advantages such as the possibility of mounting a sacrificial fence, micrometric adjustments, adjustable scales for direct readout (left or right handed if so desired, in units of your choosing), a telescopic fence, and 'Incremental positioning' which allows to get stops back to the same position even after adjusting them. Cost is comparable, but the same fence can also be used with, say an Incra mitre gauge (or be bought as a package with a gauge, leaving just the Incra dogs to be purchased separately)
I have been using Incra Track with their shop stop for my mft style workbench. Long shot but does anyone know if the under rail support fence work with the Incra Track?
Hey Peter, yep ive also purchased the kit following your 1st video - love it so solid and accurate! All we need now is you to finish your bench build and I predict a new wave of carpentery in the future! :)
My rail is narrower than the Festool one, when I put the rail against the fence when I’m dialing it in, the fence support bit just pokes out so I’m going to cut metal. Do I need the under rail support or can I remove it?
You only really need the under rail support for cutting narrower workpieces, though you should be referencing off your splinter guard or cut line to dial in the fence and rail. 👍
Hi again Peter. Re my tight bench dogs on my just-built Parf dog top, I just discovered the Axminster 20mm reamer. Hope it helps. Setting up my Benchdogs fence even thought dogs are almost too tight to move easily. To calibrate the fence to rail you used the 400mm trim on workpiece then match to 400mm on fence. I noticed the low fence is about 183 mm long - less than my rail. (I assume so it works with any brand De of rail?) Would I be best to slide saw up to fence -drop blade down, then slide fence to the right until end of low rail just ‘kisses’ a tooth on the blade. Then tighten the fence dogs. Since that is the ‘zero’ point for measuring any cut, all measurements on fence should now be spot on. When you made that cut at 400mm, I was expecting to see the end of fence showing below the rail, but not visible. I just don’t want to calibrate it by cutting a piece of wood and find I just trimmed a mm or two of the end of my low fence. Then accurate calibration would be difficult. Your thoughts? Pwhealy@rogers.com
Hi Paul, and thanks - have responded to your Patreon comment on the reamer, good to hear it works as expected. Re the auxiliary under-rail support fence, I actually trimmed it back a little because I didn't want it near the cut line; I'll never use that part of the scale for actual measuring, just the fence for extra support, and I'm happy calibrating against a cut piece of wood - but certainly, butting the fence up against the tooth of the blade should work - might be a bit finnicky getting it to actually register against it though! 👍 👍
I cut a piece of scrap exactly 50mm then did what you suggested, I set my flag stop to 50mm, lowered the blade with the saw on the guide rail, loosened the fence dogs and moved the fence until the scrap just barely kissed a blade tooth. That 50mm scrap was exactly between the flag stop and a blade tooth. It's dead on accurate. I have the TSO parallel guides and I calibrated them the same way. And when I measure scrap that needs to be balls on I don't hook my tape to the end, I lay out the tape then put the scrap on the 10mm mark and check to see if it's splitting the line at 60mm. It was.
They have a Black Friday sale for this. Thinking of buying it even though I have a couple of Parf Fences already. My question is what happens when you do beveled cuts? I see the under rail will interfere with the saw.
They do, yes! Re the under-rail support extension, it doesn’t have to reach all the way to the splinter guard - it would be fine to trim it back so that it didn’t interfere. 👍👍
Re the Under Rail Support Fence - it seems to me that when the main fence position is calibrated, the saw blade will 'kiss' the end of the support fence. What am I missing here? Thanks.
I don’t understand the need for the small end support, I’ve read and re-read the info, I have one but not used it, but I’m still not getting why it’s there.
I do say why it's needed at 2.13 in the video - it's basically to make eg narrow rips in thin stock, and if that's not something you do, then you probably won't need it, no. But some folks do, so its there. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop right, I’m getting it now, I had real difficulty in picturing it my mind. I’m new to FST type tables, dogs etc., I’m finding the learning curve a little steep at the moment! Maybe I would have realised when or if I needed to cut narrow thin stock. Penny drops moment! Thanks Peter.
Hey Peter I recently purchased this fence and have struggled to get it square with the mft hinge and track system. Do you have to use dogs for the track to get it square?
How are you connecting it to the table - with fence dogs? Fencedogs will guarantee it’s aligned with the rows of holes, all you need to do is align the rail with the column of holes and you’re sorted. Benchdogs are the easiest way to do this. 👍
hi peter thanks for all the videos, really interesting i'm a bit of a newbie to all this and now setting up my workshop for my 'quieter' years I have an mft table and makita track saw and looking at the benchdogs fence system but I have a question.... The under rail extension at 9mm thick surely only gives support for material up to that thickness What about thicker materials? Are they left unsupported? A bit of a rookie question i'm sure, just wondered if you could illuminate please. Off to find my Adirondack chair plans now. Any suggestions?
Thanks for watching! No, the fence extension supports the bottom 9mm of whatever thickness of board you’re using; you can get some issues using thinner stock eg 6mm as the rail won’t touch the surface, but in those cases you just use a spoiler board to raise the workpiece a little. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for the swift reply but sorry i'm being really thick here - so if you're using 18mm material surely the rail is 9mm above the fence extension and therefore not being supported. Am i missing something here? or do you need to pack over the rail extension which sort of negates the need. Isn't the under-rail support there to stop the rail defecting past the workpiece? or is it just an extension for the fence for the workpiece to butt up against?
I have wanted to set up something like this for my mft table. I did find like you demonstrated fences needing firming up. I think the ruler with the stops so you can cut a consistent accurate workpieces will be most efficient. I built my steel mft table which is still on the drawing table regarding fences. I'm open to suggestions on how to achieve a ruler with a stop. One thing you can be sure, the fence with be steel and a lot more firmer than the mft aluminium fences. I will tap a thread so the fence bolts into the side. The cuts will be in the one location mainly. I will just make sure the saw fence run square to the table fence.
If you didn't have the festool hinge system, what would be the easiest way to esure the track is at 90 degrees to the guide rail? Insert longer bench dogs into two MFT table top holes and butt the track up against them? Would that cause any issues with dialing in the guide, bearing in mind that low work piece support section? Struggling to visualise it. I guess your portable work bench will need something like this if you don't plan to fit a hinge.
Benchdogs offer longer dogs to but up the rail against or alternatively ones that slot into t slot of the rail. I have both but prefer the former. Cuts are perfectly square, no problem.
There’s a few ways to do this - they’ll be the subject of another video, but in short a set of taller dogs to but the rail against, it rail dogs that attach to the rail, are the entry-level options. 👍👍
I use the UJK Dog Rail Clip from Axminster Tools & Machinery (I have no affiliation) which keep the guide rails against the bench dog. To use them I had to purchase the Festool Guide Rails as the guide rails need a groove on the top of the rail to which the clip is attached. The Evolution Guide Rails (for example) do not have the required groove on top. Alternatively. Bench Dogs UK make Guide Rails Dogs which attach to the underside of the guide rail. However, I find that the rail clips are easier to use. I purchased the Bench Dogs Fence system over the August Bank Holiday weekend when Bench Dogs were offering a 20% discount. My original reason for getting the system was the under rail support but I have also found that having a ruler very useful. Previously, I was cutting using pencil lines but the ruler makes cutting quicker.
Awesome video, Peter--thank you! So...I set myself up with this fence system and the Rail Dogs for Festool rail. I'm a little confused on your calibration process. At the end of the day, aren't we essentially just lining the end of the under rail fence with the track's splinter guard?
Hi Peter, very interested in your view on this. Having watched your video I've invested in the BD's MK2 fence system (and rail square/dogs). However, the fence under rail is easily 2-3mm off square. So much so the work piece can rock between the fence and the under rail. I contacted BD's and they advised, lay the fence face down on a flat surface when adding and tightening the underail. However, after following the guidance the under rail still springs off square. Problem is, when setting-up shorter width cuts its possible to take up the off square angel of the under rail. Should I expect the under rail to be square, or just pay more attention to the piece being cut is square to the fence? Thanks
Hi Peter. I am a complete newby to this MFT bench top thing, and have certainly never used the Bench Dog Fence, so the following question maybe totally daft! I don't have a track saw only a table saw - and it's not from Festool. However, making repeatable cuts is still wanted (obviously), so will the Bench Dogs Fence be workable for me, please?
Hi Adrian. No, the benchdogs fence is for an MFT style top. Your table saw should have a fence with it, or you can fit third party fences, depending on the type. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi, thanks for that. I was planning to make an MFT benchtop to give me multiple dog holes for tabletop clamping for a variety of tasks, so I was just checking to see if BenchDog fence would be a worthwhile extra. Tahnks again
Thanks for introducing this tool. I think the video would allow me to digest your informative narration better if you spent more time with the camera focused on the tool and provided most of your commentary as voice-over.
Why does the UK have all the good stuff? I can order the fence system from BenchDogs but shipping to US is a bit expensive. Are they any company's you know of to order from US? I really liked the Fence Dogs but don't find anything from TSO products or any other manufacturing that is close
Sorry about that. Benchdogs is a small British manufacturer, so I don’t think it’s likely they have their products stocked in the US, and the fencedogs in particular are unique. 🤷♂️👍
Hi Peter been watching your videos for a while now but finally about to make my own MFT to take on Site. I am looking to mount a Festool track for when I do kitchens and the idea of a fence is good as well but I'm torn between the bench dogs system and the UJK Parf system sold by Axminster. Have you any thoughts on that system at all? Thanks Rich
Thanks Rich. I’ve never used or had hands-on with the UJK one, but it seems like a very low profile solution - I liked that about my old Festool fence on my MFT. The Benchdogs fence is a more traditional height - though obviously the extrusion can be used low-profile as well, it’s nothing like as low as the UJK. Other than that I’ve only seen what Axminster have put out on video, I’m afraid, so no direct experience of it. 5% discount on all things Benchdogs with the offer code “10minuteworkshop” if that makes a difference! Cheers, Peter 👍
Nicely explained as always, but I did not quite understand, what using the under the rail extension means to the graduation of the fence. Doesn‘t that mean that you can not read the length directly any more but have to subtract the length of the extension every time? So should the extension not be an integral part (being sold with the fence) and the fence then be graduated accordingly, so that you would only have to calculate should you ever decide to take off the extension?
I've been holding my breath for the.portable bench build for a long time...is it really coming soon? I have just bought an extra pair of fence dogs and it definitely makes a difference having an extra one in the middle of my long fence...much more stable. Nice to know that Ralph does a 2.7 m version...I've got an excuse to build an even bigger mft than my current one!
hi there, i have been looking at these things for a while - unable to make my mind up on what size of fence. I have ordered 1 mft top from cnc design and in the near future i will order another and make basically a bigger mft top or at least a extension to the first one (same birch top , flush of course). I know you use a 1000mm one ,I will be doing same type as work as you but I just feel the 1000mm may be too short, how do yo get on with something bigger than 1000mm,? (eg a piece of stock at 1200mm)
1000mm fence and the 200mm extension gives 1200mm of support, but yes, If I doubled up the MFT tips then I’d want to look at a longer fence - the lengths are on the benchdogs website, up to 2.7metres. 👍👍
Hi Peter I’m a regular watcher of your material and enjoy your content and find it very helpful and informative. I’m setting up my own workshop and I was wondering your thoughts on the need for a table saw. The videos I’ve watched so far I’ve not seen you use on and you mainly seem to do work with a track saw, after watching this video for the fence guide system it’s made me think even more that it’s not a necessity to have a table saw, what are your thoughts and how often do you use a table saw for your projects? Thanks
Hi Gareth, and thanks! I do have a table saw but rarely use it, and I’ve actually decided to get rid of it. I ‘worked wood’ without one for ~12 years or so, so I think I’ll manage. 🤷♂️👍👍
Can I ask your opinion on a matter please? I have now the bench dogs, MFT top they are all good by the way, the bench dogs are worth every penny , you were right. :). I have just noticed though that when I use 3 bench dogs with my makita rail for the track saw- the track saw slightly bows away in the middle (varies from 0.1 mm to 0.2mm) its def the track . Any way what that drive you nuts for the type of work you do or you think its acceptable ? I guess at either end its morelikely to be still 90% its just the piece of wood will slightly perhaps have a gap (say on average 1 sheet of your every day cheep copy paper)
Hi Christopher, and thanks for letting me know that you’re happy with the Benchdogs setup!👍👍 As to your issue, I’m afraid anything around 0.2mm is way below my level of OCD! Personally I’d just accept it and get on with making things - I presume you were happy enough to with the cuts you made before on your Makita rails, so no reason you should be unhappy now, IMHO.. hope that helps! Peter
@@10MinuteWorkshop actually hardly used it, this morning though since 5am, I have been investing the matter further and what I have found is any cut upto 75cm is dead on, from 1 to 85cm its 0.01mm out then from 1 to 120cm {max cut} its 0.2 out. So being realistic with this track and probably 95%of cuts I will ever do were a dowel is involved etc is going to be a cut below 75cm for example a cupboard or wardrobe it should be acceptable. Longer cuts tend to be across the face of a cupboard etc so that tolerance will be fine( I will probably buy a longer one anyway for such long cuts),,, so it's the latter part of the track there is this issue,
@@ChristopherClaudioSkierka Wow, that's a really strange issue - like the track has been bent from the middle up, but not equally! AT least you know, and can work around it! Thanks again for letting me know! P
@@10MinuteWorkshop yep, actually it's the last third, good job it's the last third.... Eventually I will buy a festool plunge saw, and it's long track,, I can imagine it's dead straight all away along. Have a good day 🤗
Hi Peter. Have you seen/used the new version of this fence from benchdogs yet (v2.1)? I've just ordered one as it now has the underraail section as part of the fence, hopefully meaning it will stay square! Looking forward to receiving it soon and obviously used your code to get a discount/support your great work. This will be my first forary into mft working and I'm quite excited to see how it all comes together :-)
@@10MinuteWorkshop yes,ordered it this afternoon after finding it by accident on their website. No reviews available for this model so assume it's new to market
I was looking at this and some similar products by TSO. Then I thought... how much is the Festool version? And it seems quite close. But I was thinking that you mentioned you've used the Festool one and that this Rail Square was easier because you didn't have to square it up or something. Do you prefer the Bench Dogs version?
The Festool one is a licensed version of the TSO, afaik; both great squares. I think it depends on how you expect to use them; if you need to take the square off regularly, then the TSO is probably a little quicker to do that, but the Benchdogs has the option of a few extras - the edge guides and the MFT dogs - that could make a difference if you expect to use them, or have the need. I took a closer look at the Benchdogs square in video 402, Rail square - ua-cam.com/video/qik-UoZUAgg/v-deo.html. Apologies if you’ve already seen it and left a comment Angie, you’ve been watching lots and I’m kind of losing track, lol! 😆👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop follow up question: Do you prefer (in the new benchdog.co.uk MFT set up) using the rail dogs or rail squares? I know Peter Parfitt (with his Parf rail) and David Stanton love using rail clips connected to bench dogs :) Edit: I will most likely be buying the mk2 with additional fence dog. Or would you say it is enough with two if you lock them with thread from below?
Merry Christmas Pete 🥳 do you happen to know if that little extension piece will work in the ooznest fence from one of your previous videos? I have the ooznest fence and Benchdogs sells the extension piece separately 👏🏻👏🏻. Love your channel 👍
Hi, yes it will, I have that set up, just ensure that you assemble them on a dead flat surface to ensure that you do not get any deflection. Cheers, Dave.
Hi Peter, thanks for this video and the one on the guide rail, I will be ordering these as soon as possible from Benchdogs. I wanted to ask, as I recently watched your starting CNC series, I am seriously thinking of embarking on the same journey , did you do a discount option with Oozenest for your followers too?
Hi Phillip and thanks! No, I never did get a discount code for UA-cam viewers, but back when they were a sponsor of the podcast, we had a 5% disocunt - not sure if it'll still be valid, but may be worth a try? "bit.ly/mupc-ooznest and don’t forget the offer code measureup at checkout for 5% off your first order!"
@@10MinuteWorkshop looking forward to your mobile workbench, I made a mobile MFT based around Ron Paulk's designs, but modded for my purposes. The main unit is 2M long by 600 wide with built in electrical sockets, then there are two further units that attach to this for more support and one has a router table built in. This I designed to sit on my Stanley foldable trestles when on site. This I router the MFT using a template from Rick Suckley who does custom CNC work for sale as it was only £30ish and works well and fast using a 30mm bush and 12.7mm fluted bit. At that point could not justify the part guide price and did not then have the LR32, love your vid on that too! Take care in these mad and crazy times, things in France are mad except for work, working in a renovation of a chestnut timber frame farmhouse that is about 200 years old.
I see a lot of comments from people that seem to already know about a portable MFT you’re building. I must have missed something, but aside from that, isn’t an MFT itself portable even if it is wobbly as a folding card table?
Theoretically yes, but as the owner of an MFT I wouldn’t dream of taking it out of the workshop - way too big and heavy to use on the kind of sites I worked. I don’t actually know of anyone who uses an MFT in this way. 🤷♂️👍
Hi Ben. For clarity I have the older MFT1080, it the MFT/3, but same deal. You probably could - the rail ‘hinge’ attaches to the underside t-slot, so as long as it has that, you’re probably OK. Not something I’ve tried though, and not in the workshop for a few days so won’t be able to check. 🤷♂️👍
Hi Peter another comprehensive and well explained review, thank you. I actually sprung for this system prior to my escape into sanity, set it all up ready for my return and intend to use it with either the rail dogs or the axminster rail clips with tall dogs. However I am wanting to explore the whole accuracy marlarkey before deciding. I have heard tell that Festool make no claims of accuracy of MFT dog holes in terms of their ‘perpendicularity’ and that they are just for clamping - no idea if that is true or not. Have you carried out the ‘five cut’ test to quantify accuracy - just as a matter of interest? I also wondered about your forthcoming portable MFT type bench you are embarking on and how you are drilling the dog holes - are you subbing it out or going the Parf guide system from Axminster? Or are you putting your CNC to use on the task? Keep up the great work you are fast approaching the 100K subscribers and deservedly so.😀👍⛵️
Thanks Norman! I’m impressed you’re keeping up with the UA-cam whilst on holiday! 🙌😆 In all honesty, I’ve never checked the ‘squareness’ of the MFT with the 5-cut method or any other, for a simple reason; if it’s badly out of square I’ll notice, and if I don’t notice then it’s within my tolerance. 🤷♂️ Call me slipshod and slapdash, but at some point I think we have to accept a reasonable level of accuracy from the tools we buy, and I suspect Festool are engaging in a bit of backside-covering because I can guarantee that if they claimed they were square to 0.xxxxx% someone would complain that it wasn’t! I’ll be making my own top for the mobile bench, but have someone lined up to supply them for anyone interested in buying. 👍👍
Peter Millard I am not keeping up - last day and we are at a hotel so just looking at some ‘fave’ channels in the shade in have just had too much sun, sea, sand and well not enough of that.😉😂
101k subscribers!! Great work, well done! Making my own 1800mm MFT table soon and was wondering if the hinged support unit would attach to the same profile aluminium as the fence is made from? Cheers.
I bought a few things from Ralph and in my honest opinion it's just glorified mecano at a premium price the laser etching was blurry . Stick to festool or wait until Ralph comes out with mk III
@@10MinuteWorkshop Weird. I'm getting a generic message displayed from shopify "Only one step left! To finish setting up your new web address, go to your domain settings, click "Connect existing domain", and enter: keybladesandfixings.com" Did I make a typo? (urls are not case sensitive only if the server host you're on is configured not to be, which is most often so. But sometimes they are.)
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After eyeing things for a few months - watching videos from Peter and others, listening to Vic Tesolin and the Fine Woodworking guys talk about MFTs vs table saws, I picked up a MFT table kit last weekend. After about 3 hours I went to Benchdog's site based on your videos Peter and purchased the kit and some dogs. Couldn't be happier, this just feels like the right way to do the work I do. Thanks for all your videos!
"It'll be alright on the night Peter"
IMHO you do a far better job than most of us would.
Tks
Cheers Dave! 😂👍
Thank you Peter. I just ordered the fence system as well as the MK2 Parallel Guide in great part due to your excellent breakdown of their features.
Thanks! Glad it helped! 👍
Yet another great video. The more I watch your channel the more money I spend!
As long as you’re happy! 😂👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop of course I am happy, but the big question is if my wife is! :-)
As an non English speaker I love your excellent accent and your storyteller voice, it’s amazing to listen!
And of course I always learn something practical, great too!
Please, please come soon with the portable MTF-Table, I just wanted to start next week with mine, but I will wait for you helpful thoughts.
Thank you! Yes, my portable bench will be out in the next few weeks. 👍👍
Just bought this system and on your advice bought a third fence dog plus the thumb wheels to hold them down tight. Bought a whole lot more too to speed up my cabinet and door construction. Used your code, just waiting delivery. Got the Parf Mk2 kit too but waiting on the Medite MDF to turn up. Frustrating, I want to try out my new toys.
Thanks to your review, I took advantage of the discount and ordered the fence, b-clamps, and the bench top protectors. Appreciate your efforts.
I have been contemplating this as well. I already have the bench dogs and an aluminum extrusion that I use as per your earlier videos on the subject. I do as much sawing on this setup as possible, mainly for the safety and convenience of working on my assembly table, which is another thanks per all your videos on MFTs etc. The really really neat thing about the mark II is the under the fence extension!!! It definitely helps with short or odd size pieces of material that otherwise I have 3 jigs for. Thanks again and look forward to your portable bench build.
Thanks! 👍
The Mk2 is the biz, I bought one as soon as they were released & the new rail square also looks great. Looking forward to your bench build 👍.
Thanks! 👍👍
Nice timing. Just waiting on my newly ordered TS75 and I'm in the process of designing my own MFT table.
Nice! 👍👍
Solid product and I really need to organise an MFT style bench - delaying until your much anticipated mobile MFT build!!
It’s coming! Next few weeks, I promise! 👍👍😆
Honestly Peter I don't know what I'd do without you. I'm looking to take my first plunge into the Festool saw (pun intended) and all of your videos have 100% convinced me to do it. Thank you. I've just become a proud Patreon member. Looking forward to going through the new content on there!
Thank you, and welcome! 🙌
Beautifully designed - quality engineering - informative & crisp review. Nice work Benchdogs & PM.
Thank you! 👍
Your workshop looks to be about the same size as mine, except my back wall is a garage door. I am finding your videos to be not only inspirational, but absolutely perfect for those with a small shop. I have been very hesitant to purchase some of the bench dogs products, much less a festool track saw. But with your VERY informative videos, I have ordered both the festool track saw as well as THIS bench dog system (on notification when it's available). Thank you for making the effort, taking the time, and being awesome. :) Also, thanks to you brits (and some common sense), I have abandoned imperial and use only metric now. Being a 55 year old American, this is monumental. Metric is so much easier on the aging brain. :)
Request : can you do a quick video about cutting finger joints with your tracks/benchdog system(s)?
Thanks Ron! Yes, I’m afraid the benchdogs fence seems to be out of stock - can’t imagine why! Really pleased to hear that the videos are helpful, and thanks so much for your kind comments!
Best wishes, Peter. 👍👍
Definitely will be investing in one of these Peter once my workshop and MFT setup is sorted. And no, you are not alone, I love my Benchdogs rail square and find myself at times just staring at it 😂
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I use this system on my home made mft and like it a lot. I use the fence flat on the table which makes it sturdier as i noticed it has a tendency to bend when dealing with heavy sheets.
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Out takes are the bain of the presenters life......well done for including them.....another great video!
Thanks! 👍
Interesting approach to making a thicker fence.
those flag stops look like the wink link. They need to redesign those so they are more HD Fence stops take a lot of abuse those look like they would bend,move or flex even if you were being careful. The extra little stop behind the low portion was nice touch. I dont see the need for it to be so high either as you pointed out it tends to make it more rocky.
Hello Peter,
I bought my a few months ago and really love it in combination with my selfmade MFT style workbench.
Greetings, Kai
Thanks Kai! Yes, great product, and so clever. 👍👍
Heh Peter, brilliant as always. Just bought the newer MK2.1 with the 200mm built in. I also used your discount code so a very happy bunny. Cheers mate.
Nice! 👌👍
Just ordered one Peter 😀👍
Looking forward to your portable bench build video!
Thanks! 👍
Looks like an awesome product. I hope to build an MFT in the coming months and this fence would be perfect. I am building a built in entertainment center and really missing a system for repeatable cross cuts for my track saw.
Thanks for another video Peter, I will use the link provided as I could do with a new bench fence.
Thanks for sharing
Cheers Jim! 👍😂
It's impressive the amount of support coming out for non machine cutting solutions, especially for those who don't have a workshop to do the work. I'm enthused.
I'm added to your patreon list now mate.
It’s like watching Tim Cook doing carpentry with an English accent. Love it.
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Great timing.. was looking to get one of these on payday!
Thanks! 👍
Hi, great video thanks. When calibrating my rail, the end of the 200 mm under track extrusion projects beyond my track and my saw would cut into it as I finish my cut. Am I being a bit dumb? I can’t find info about this on the Benchdogs site so wondered if you knew what I’m doing wrong as the track saw guru? KR
your videos are so useful and helpful.....this fence is a dream come true.....WAY WAY WAY better than the festoon design......did I make my point!?
Thank you! and yes, I think so! 😂👍👍
I just purchased the fence system (fully loaded kit) and received it earlier this week. I messed with it a bit to get familiar with all the parts. I did a 5-cut test using it and my track saw rail with BenchdogsUk rail dogs and was happy to get .009 degrees of accuracy. Today I'm going to use it "for real" for the first time to break down a full sheet of plywood (using two MFT tables connected together to support the full sheet.). I also purchased the rail square kit which is still in transit.
Excellent - good to hear it works well for you! 👍👍
Another great watch I’ve got the oozenest extrusion Peter but like the new one with marking sizes
Looking forward to your bench build mate
Where about in Liverpool where you brought up seen an earlier video you saying you was from Liverpool 👍
Thanks Brian! I was born & grew up in Huyton. Long time ago! 😂👍
Peter Millard
I live in Netherley if you can remember where that is not far from huyton 😊
Your channel is taking off peter I have all my family up the wall always watching your videos 😂👍
brian moore Ah, Netherley, sure, not far at all! 🙌👍👍
1) I mean this as a compliment, you are the "gateway drug" to expensive tools. You have introduced me to festool and mafell and my life will never be the same. 2) Your north american fans are waiting for your mft build. come on man, i have my build on hold because i want to see what you come up with. don't keep us waiting dude!!!!
Haha, thanks - I think! DIY MFT top this Friday, bench build next week or the one after. 👍👍
Hey Peter, just purchased some bits from bench dog using your code :), hope I am impressed as much as you are . cheers
Me too! Seriously, it’s very well made kit, and I was a customer long before I had any association with the company - which is a very recent development. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop "association"!! , You should be giving out 10% haha :)
@@10MinuteWorkshop arrived and all good :), will order more bits in the near future
These products seem really nice. Looking forward to trying some out when I finally get around to completing my mft top... Cheers and thanks for sharing.
Thanks Goran! 👍
Can you please do a video on how to calibrate the parallel guide in IMPERIAL scale.
I calibrate using the method post for METRIC scale did not come out accurate.
Thanks,
Damon
I haven’t used imperial measurements since 1969, so I’m afraid I’m not the person to ask. 🤷♂️👍
Great video and very helpful! Ordered mine and received, looks like a nice piece of kit. Only thing I don’t like is the flag stop, it broke straight out of the box as I tried to tighten the screw, split in half ☹️ I might have to contact Benchdogs and see what they say
Do you have any tips for better using the track dogs? I've tried using a similar setup but lifting the track to remove the cut and place a new one is such a pain. I find myself just going back to using the rail flip system built into the bench instead.
Always look forward to your videos. Cheers
Thanks! 👍
Great vid as always thanks Peter
Cheers Paul! 👍🤷♂️
very cool. i’m in the middle of building a cross cut jig using Ron Paulk’s plans. debating if i should toss it and just get this.
[UPDATE] just ordered the 1400mm one! I figured i can use my other one for cutting full size sheets. briefly debated with self on units. ended up getting the metric. used the promo code.
Great product / idea than can be copied in a variety of ways / materials to meet individual needs.
I bought one of the original ones, but hardly use it. That’s mainly because there is no support under the track and hence I often lose some accuracy (most of of my pieces seem to be relatively short). I ended up buying the Festool rail (secondhand), which as you say has the lowered section to sit under the rail. Also, the Fencedog rail takes up a row of dog holes, which on my narrower self made MFT I can’t afford. The MK2 looks an improvement, but that boat has sailed for me.
Cheers Simon. The under-rail support extension is available as an extra for the MK1 profile, though it throws the scale off of course. Out of interest how did you fix the Festool rail into your MFT top? Thanks! P
@@10MinuteWorkshop My MFT top is built on a Ron Paulk style bench top. I then added a vertical, sliding length of Birch ply along the back and fastened the Festool rail to that. I get max width out of my bench, which for space reasons is 600mm. If I could attach a photo it would make more sense...!
I wonder if the under rail will connect to the Ooznest extrusion...
I haven't tried it, but almost certainly - the extrusion is standard 20-40 v-groove, but with the proprietary flat face for the laser-etched scale in the Benchdogs fence. I'll check when I'm in the workshop later - I'm curious too. 👍
Just to confirm Dave, yes the under rail extension does for the Ooznest extrusion. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter.
Thank you Peter- just assembled my Bench Dogs Fence Mk2 and it’s a superb bit of kit that makes my MFT style (parf-guide) table even more useful. Wouldn’t have known about it without your video!
Thanks for letting me know Colin, great to hear that it's worked out well! 👍
I do have a coupe of the original Benchdogs fence systems (a metric one and a imperial one which fits in a Systainer), and recently bought the under-rail 'add-on'... These are good but I have since discovered the Incra fence system (Flip fence of any desired lenght + Flip stop shop) which can be mounted to a MFT like table in a similar way with Benchdogs' Incra dogs, and think it's an alternative worth considering.
It does lack the under rail tricks (although there are some workarounds), but offers some other advantages such as the possibility of mounting a sacrificial fence, micrometric adjustments, adjustable scales for direct readout (left or right handed if so desired, in units of your choosing), a telescopic fence, and 'Incremental positioning' which allows to get stops back to the same position even after adjusting them. Cost is comparable, but the same fence can also be used with, say an Incra mitre gauge (or be bought as a package with a gauge, leaving just the Incra dogs to be purchased separately)
Good info, thanks! 👍
I have been using Incra Track with their shop stop for my mft style workbench. Long shot but does anyone know if the under rail support fence work with the Incra Track?
I’ve no idea I’m afraid, but maybe someone else can chip in?? 😂
I use the benchdogs rail dogs with the incra fence. Is the extension bar the same fitting as the rail dogs?
@@10MinuteWorkshop would you be able to provide dimensions of the rail support?
Richard Roby Hi Richard. I’m out of the workshop for a few days, but I’ll get the dimensions when I’m next in there. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thank you sir. I also contacted Benchdogs as well. Enjoy your time off.
What keeps from having an untidy cut if you have the piece up off the bench with the 3mm dogs?
Physics? The blade on a circular saw cuts up from beneath the workpiece, so the underside is always a clean cut.
@@10MinuteWorkshop ah yes I do forget that my TS spins opposite my table saw! Sorry for the goofy question but I appreciate your response.
What if your MFT top is not square? Is there a way to compensate for that? Or is there anyother solution using the same mft top?
Do you know if the under fence add on will fitting older rails plz?
I don’t know I’m afraid; perhaps a question best directed at Benchdogs.co.uk? 👍
Hey Peter, yep ive also purchased the kit following your 1st video - love it so solid and accurate!
All we need now is you to finish your bench build and I predict a new wave of carpentery in the future! :)
Thanks Graham! It’s coming, I promise! 👍👍😆
My rail is narrower than the Festool one, when I put the rail against the fence when I’m dialing it in, the fence support bit just pokes out so I’m going to cut metal. Do I need the under rail support or can I remove it?
You only really need the under rail support for cutting narrower workpieces, though you should be referencing off your splinter guard or cut line to dial in the fence and rail. 👍
Thanks! What would you say is the narrowest width you can comfortably cut with one of these?
Hi again Peter. Re my tight bench dogs on my just-built Parf dog top, I just discovered the Axminster 20mm reamer. Hope it helps.
Setting up my Benchdogs fence even thought dogs are almost too tight to move easily.
To calibrate the fence to rail you used the 400mm trim on workpiece then match to 400mm on fence.
I noticed the low fence is about 183 mm long - less than my rail. (I assume so it works with any brand
De of rail?)
Would I be best to slide saw up to fence -drop blade down, then slide fence to the right until end of low rail just ‘kisses’ a tooth on the blade. Then tighten the fence dogs.
Since that is the ‘zero’ point for measuring any cut, all measurements on fence should now be spot on.
When you made that cut at 400mm, I was expecting to see the end of fence showing below the rail, but not visible.
I just don’t want to calibrate it by cutting a piece of wood and find I just trimmed a mm or two of the end of my low fence. Then accurate calibration would be difficult. Your thoughts? Pwhealy@rogers.com
Hi Paul, and thanks - have responded to your Patreon comment on the reamer, good to hear it works as expected. Re the auxiliary under-rail support fence, I actually trimmed it back a little because I didn't want it near the cut line; I'll never use that part of the scale for actual measuring, just the fence for extra support, and I'm happy calibrating against a cut piece of wood - but certainly, butting the fence up against the tooth of the blade should work - might be a bit finnicky getting it to actually register against it though! 👍 👍
I cut a piece of scrap exactly 50mm then did what you suggested, I set my flag stop to 50mm, lowered the blade with the saw on the guide rail, loosened the fence dogs and moved the fence until the scrap just barely kissed a blade tooth. That 50mm scrap was exactly between the flag stop and a blade tooth. It's dead on accurate. I have the TSO parallel guides and I calibrated them the same way. And when I measure scrap that needs to be balls on I don't hook my tape to the end, I lay out the tape then put the scrap on the 10mm mark and check to see if it's splitting the line at 60mm. It was.
They have a Black Friday sale for this. Thinking of buying it even though I have a couple of Parf Fences already. My question is what happens when you do beveled cuts? I see the under rail will interfere with the saw.
They do, yes! Re the under-rail support extension, it doesn’t have to reach all the way to the splinter guard - it would be fine to trim it back so that it didn’t interfere. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop yeah, mine’s trimmed back, because I forgot about it when doing a bevel cut and sliced right through it! 😂
Re the Under Rail Support Fence - it seems to me that when the main fence position is calibrated, the saw blade will 'kiss' the end of the support fence.
What am I missing here? Thanks.
The under-rail extension is fractionally undersized to avoid this - though tbh if it wasn't, then it's something that would only happen once! HTH P
I don’t understand the need for the small end support, I’ve read and re-read the info, I have one but not used it, but I’m still not getting why it’s there.
I do say why it's needed at 2.13 in the video - it's basically to make eg narrow rips in thin stock, and if that's not something you do, then you probably won't need it, no. But some folks do, so its there. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop right, I’m getting it now, I had real difficulty in picturing it my mind. I’m new to FST type tables, dogs etc., I’m finding the learning curve a little steep at the moment! Maybe I would have realised when or if I needed to cut narrow thin stock. Penny drops moment! Thanks Peter.
Hey Peter
I recently purchased this fence and have struggled to get it square with the mft hinge and track system. Do you have to use dogs for the track to get it square?
How are you connecting it to the table - with fence dogs? Fencedogs will guarantee it’s aligned with the rows of holes, all you need to do is align the rail with the column of holes and you’re sorted. Benchdogs are the easiest way to do this. 👍
hi peter
thanks for all the videos, really interesting
i'm a bit of a newbie to all this and now setting up my workshop for my 'quieter' years
I have an mft table and makita track saw and looking at the benchdogs fence system but I have a question....
The under rail extension at 9mm thick surely only gives support for material up to that thickness
What about thicker materials? Are they left unsupported? A bit of a rookie question i'm sure, just wondered if you could illuminate please.
Off to find my Adirondack chair plans now. Any suggestions?
Thanks for watching! No, the fence extension supports the bottom 9mm of whatever thickness of board you’re using; you can get some issues using thinner stock eg 6mm as the rail won’t touch the surface, but in those cases you just use a spoiler board to raise the workpiece a little. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for the swift reply but sorry i'm being really thick here - so if you're using 18mm material surely the rail is 9mm above the fence extension and therefore not being supported. Am i missing something here? or do you need to pack over the rail extension which sort of negates the need.
Isn't the under-rail support there to stop the rail defecting past the workpiece? or is it just an extension for the fence for the workpiece to butt up against?
The latter. It’s there for when you are doing cross cuts on shorter lengths.
What a stand up bit of kit to add on to your MFT and track saw. 👌🏽
Where was this 10 years ago? 😉
Awesome review mate. 👍🏽
Cheers Bill! And yes! I’d have killed for something like this when I was starting out! 👍👍
Do you like the Benchdog's compaired to the Festool MFT-3
Never owned an MFT/3, but from what I've seen of it yes, the benchdogs fence solution is a better bet. 👍
I have wanted to set up something like this for my mft table. I did find like you demonstrated fences needing firming up.
I think the ruler with the stops so you can cut a consistent accurate workpieces will be most efficient. I built my steel mft table which is still on the drawing table regarding fences. I'm open to suggestions on how to achieve a ruler with a stop. One thing you can be sure, the fence with be steel and a lot more firmer than the mft aluminium fences.
I will tap a thread so the fence bolts into the side. The cuts will be in the one location mainly. I will just make sure the saw fence run square to the table fence.
If you didn't have the festool hinge system, what would be the easiest way to esure the track is at 90 degrees to the guide rail? Insert longer bench dogs into two MFT table top holes and butt the track up against them? Would that cause any issues with dialing in the guide, bearing in mind that low work piece support section? Struggling to visualise it. I guess your portable work bench will need something like this if you don't plan to fit a hinge.
Benchdogs offer longer dogs to but up the rail against or alternatively ones that slot into t slot of the rail. I have both but prefer the former. Cuts are perfectly square, no problem.
There’s a few ways to do this - they’ll be the subject of another video, but in short a set of taller dogs to but the rail against, it rail dogs that attach to the rail, are the entry-level options. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I'll look out for the other video. 👍
I use the UJK Dog Rail Clip from Axminster Tools & Machinery (I have no affiliation) which keep the guide rails against the bench dog. To use them I had to purchase the Festool Guide Rails as the guide rails need a groove on the top of the rail to which the clip is attached. The Evolution Guide Rails (for example) do not have the required groove on top. Alternatively. Bench Dogs UK make Guide Rails Dogs which attach to the underside of the guide rail. However, I find that the rail clips are easier to use.
I purchased the Bench Dogs Fence system over the August Bank Holiday weekend when Bench Dogs were offering a 20% discount. My original reason for getting the system was the under rail support but I have also found that having a ruler very useful. Previously, I was cutting using pencil lines but the ruler makes cutting quicker.
I have a dewalt tracksaw so my rails have a splinter guard on both sides. I guess I’ll have to trim one side flush to the rail.
Awesome video, Peter--thank you!
So...I set myself up with this fence system and the Rail Dogs for Festool rail.
I'm a little confused on your calibration process.
At the end of the day, aren't we essentially just lining the end of the under rail fence with the track's splinter guard?
Thanks Tom! You can do it that way if you like - or you can calibrate it, and be absolutely sure. 👍👍
Great video. Question regarding the Fence and the Rail Square do the basically do the same job just different set ups ?
Thx in advance
Thanks! Kind of, yes; this video explains the intricacies. 👍 Square Cuts: MFT or Rail Square? ua-cam.com/video/3C8XSWliOys/v-deo.html
Hi Peter, very interested in your view on this. Having watched your video I've invested in the BD's MK2 fence system (and rail square/dogs). However, the fence under rail is easily 2-3mm off square. So much so the work piece can rock between the fence and the under rail. I contacted BD's and they advised, lay the fence face down on a flat surface when adding and tightening the underail. However, after following the guidance the under rail still springs off square. Problem is, when setting-up shorter width cuts its possible to take up the off square angel of the under rail. Should I expect the under rail to be square, or just pay more attention to the piece being cut is square to the fence? Thanks
Hi Peter. I am a complete newby to this MFT bench top thing, and have certainly never used the Bench Dog Fence, so the following question maybe totally daft! I don't have a track saw only a table saw - and it's not from Festool. However, making repeatable cuts is still wanted (obviously), so will the Bench Dogs Fence be workable for me, please?
Hi Adrian. No, the benchdogs fence is for an MFT style top. Your table saw should have a fence with it, or you can fit third party fences, depending on the type. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi, thanks for that. I was planning to make an MFT benchtop to give me multiple dog holes for tabletop clamping for a variety of tasks, so I was just checking to see if BenchDog fence would be a worthwhile extra. Tahnks again
Struggling to decide if I should get the fence or rail square - what factors inform the decision ?
Video 422 may help; Square Cuts: MFT or Rail Square? ua-cam.com/video/3C8XSWliOys/v-deo.html
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks Peter - knew there was a good reason to become a supporter 😆
Thanks for introducing this tool. I think the video would allow me to digest your informative narration better if you spent more time with the camera focused on the tool and provided most of your commentary as voice-over.
Why does the UK have all the good stuff? I can order the fence system from BenchDogs but shipping to US is a bit expensive. Are they any company's you know of to order from US? I really liked the Fence Dogs but don't find anything from TSO products or any other manufacturing that is close
Sorry about that. Benchdogs is a small British manufacturer, so I don’t think it’s likely they have their products stocked in the US, and the fencedogs in particular are unique. 🤷♂️👍
I just received a $600 order from Benchdogs. Shipping from bloody old England to California took 4 or 5 days and the cost was $44. That's pretty good.
No jingle at the start???
It comes and goes. Sometimes I just want to get right into it 🤷♂️👍
Hi Peter been watching your videos for a while now but finally about to make my own MFT to take on Site. I am looking to mount a Festool track for when I do kitchens and the idea of a fence is good as well but I'm torn between the bench dogs system and the UJK Parf system sold by Axminster. Have you any thoughts on that system at all? Thanks Rich
Thanks Rich. I’ve never used or had hands-on with the UJK one, but it seems like a very low profile solution - I liked that about my old Festool fence on my MFT. The Benchdogs fence is a more traditional height - though obviously the extrusion can be used low-profile as well, it’s nothing like as low as the UJK. Other than that I’ve only seen what Axminster have put out on video, I’m afraid, so no direct experience of it. 5% discount on all things Benchdogs with the offer code “10minuteworkshop” if that makes a difference! Cheers, Peter 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for your reply. I decided to go with bench dogs and used your discount code. Thanks very much
As usual pleasant to watch. When can we expect a blooper episode 😉?
Thanks! And maybe in April?? 😂👍
Nicely explained as always, but I did not quite understand, what using the under the rail extension means to the graduation of the fence. Doesn‘t that mean that you can not read the length directly any more but have to subtract the length of the extension every time? So should the extension not be an integral part (being sold with the fence) and the fence then be graduated accordingly, so that you would only have to calculate should you ever decide to take off the extension?
The fence has two scales - one starting at 20 cm for use with the extension, and one that starts at 0 for use without. 👍👍
I've been holding my breath for the.portable bench build for a long time...is it really coming soon? I have just bought an extra pair of fence dogs and it definitely makes a difference having an extra one in the middle of my long fence...much more stable. Nice to know that Ralph does a 2.7 m version...I've got an excuse to build an even bigger mft than my current one!
Haha, yes, next few weeks will see it done. 👍👍
Defo an improvement over the original version I reckon.
Yes, definitely 👍👍
Blooper video for Xmas 🤞🏻
hi there, i have been looking at these things for a while - unable to make my mind up on what size of fence. I have ordered 1 mft top from cnc design and in the near future i will order another and make basically a bigger mft top or at least a extension to the first one (same birch top , flush of course). I know you use a 1000mm one ,I will be doing same type as work as you but I just feel the 1000mm may be too short, how do yo get on with something bigger than 1000mm,? (eg a piece of stock at 1200mm)
1000mm fence and the 200mm extension gives 1200mm of support, but yes, If I doubled up the MFT tips then I’d want to look at a longer fence - the lengths are on the benchdogs website, up to 2.7metres. 👍👍
Hi Peter
I’m a regular watcher of your material and enjoy your content and find it very helpful and informative. I’m setting up my own workshop and I was wondering your thoughts on the need for a table saw. The videos I’ve watched so far I’ve not seen you use on and you mainly seem to do work with a track saw, after watching this video for the fence guide system it’s made me think even more that it’s not a necessity to have a table saw, what are your thoughts and how often do you use a table saw for your projects? Thanks
Hi Gareth, and thanks! I do have a table saw but rarely use it, and I’ve actually decided to get rid of it. I ‘worked wood’ without one for ~12 years or so, so I think I’ll manage. 🤷♂️👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for taking the time to reply and the advice 👍
Can I ask your opinion on a matter please? I have now the bench dogs, MFT top they are all good by the way, the bench dogs are worth every penny , you were right. :). I have just noticed though that when I use 3 bench dogs with my makita rail for the track saw- the track saw slightly bows away in the middle (varies from 0.1 mm to 0.2mm) its def the track . Any way what that drive you nuts for the type of work you do or you think its acceptable ? I guess at either end its morelikely to be still 90% its just the piece of wood will slightly perhaps have a gap (say on average 1 sheet of your every day cheep copy paper)
Hi Christopher, and thanks for letting me know that you’re happy with the Benchdogs setup!👍👍 As to your issue, I’m afraid anything around 0.2mm is way below my level of OCD! Personally I’d just accept it and get on with making things - I presume you were happy enough to with the cuts you made before on your Makita rails, so no reason you should be unhappy now, IMHO.. hope that helps! Peter
@@10MinuteWorkshop actually hardly used it, this morning though since 5am, I have been investing the matter further and what I have found is any cut upto 75cm is dead on, from 1 to 85cm its 0.01mm out then from 1 to 120cm {max cut} its 0.2 out. So being realistic with this track and probably 95%of cuts I will ever do were a dowel is involved etc is going to be a cut below 75cm for example a cupboard or wardrobe it should be acceptable. Longer cuts tend to be across the face of a cupboard etc so that tolerance will be fine( I will probably buy a longer one anyway for such long cuts),,, so it's the latter part of the track there is this issue,
@@ChristopherClaudioSkierka Wow, that's a really strange issue - like the track has been bent from the middle up, but not equally! AT least you know, and can work around it! Thanks again for letting me know! P
@@10MinuteWorkshop yep, actually it's the last third, good job it's the last third.... Eventually I will buy a festool plunge saw, and it's long track,, I can imagine it's dead straight all away along. Have a good day 🤗
Hi Peter. Have you seen/used the new version of this fence from benchdogs yet (v2.1)? I've just ordered one as it now has the underraail section as part of the fence, hopefully meaning it will stay square!
Looking forward to receiving it soon and obviously used your code to get a discount/support your great work.
This will be my first forary into mft working and I'm quite excited to see how it all comes together :-)
As part of the same extrusion? No I haven’t. I’ll take a look, thanks! 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop yes,ordered it this afternoon after finding it by accident on their website. No reviews available for this model so assume it's new to market
I was looking at this and some similar products by TSO. Then I thought... how much is the Festool version? And it seems quite close. But I was thinking that you mentioned you've used the Festool one and that this Rail Square was easier because you didn't have to square it up or something. Do you prefer the Bench Dogs version?
The Festool one is a licensed version of the TSO, afaik; both great squares. I think it depends on how you expect to use them; if you need to take the square off regularly, then the TSO is probably a little quicker to do that, but the Benchdogs has the option of a few extras - the edge guides and the MFT dogs - that could make a difference if you expect to use them, or have the need. I took a closer look at the Benchdogs square in video 402, Rail square - ua-cam.com/video/qik-UoZUAgg/v-deo.html. Apologies if you’ve already seen it and left a comment Angie, you’ve been watching lots and I’m kind of losing track, lol! 😆👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop follow up question: Do you prefer (in the new benchdog.co.uk MFT set up) using the rail dogs or rail squares? I know Peter Parfitt (with his Parf rail) and David Stanton love using rail clips connected to bench dogs :)
Edit: I will most likely be buying the mk2 with additional fence dog. Or would you say it is enough with two if you lock them with thread from below?
Merry Christmas Pete 🥳 do you happen to know if that little extension piece will work in the ooznest fence from one of your previous videos? I have the ooznest fence and Benchdogs sells the extension piece separately 👏🏻👏🏻. Love your channel 👍
Hi, yes it will, I have that set up, just ensure that you assemble them on a dead flat surface to ensure that you do not get any deflection. Cheers, Dave.
@@davehughes8488 hey Dave. Yes I bought it after I left this post, works great 👍. Thanks for the reply buddy.
Hi Peter, thanks for this video and the one on the guide rail, I will be ordering these as soon as possible from Benchdogs. I wanted to ask, as I recently watched your starting CNC series, I am seriously thinking of embarking on the same journey , did you do a discount option with Oozenest for your followers too?
Hi Phillip and thanks! No, I never did get a discount code for UA-cam viewers, but back when they were a sponsor of the podcast, we had a 5% disocunt - not sure if it'll still be valid, but may be worth a try?
"bit.ly/mupc-ooznest and don’t forget the offer code measureup at checkout for 5% off your first order!"
@@10MinuteWorkshop looking forward to your mobile workbench, I made a mobile MFT based around Ron Paulk's designs, but modded for my purposes. The main unit is 2M long by 600 wide with built in electrical sockets, then there are two further units that attach to this for more support and one has a router table built in. This I designed to sit on my Stanley foldable trestles when on site. This I router the MFT using a template from Rick Suckley who does custom CNC work for sale as it was only £30ish and works well and fast using a 30mm bush and 12.7mm fluted bit. At that point could not justify the part guide price and did not then have the LR32, love your vid on that too! Take care in these mad and crazy times, things in France are mad except for work, working in a renovation of a chestnut timber frame farmhouse that is about 200 years old.
I see a lot of comments from people that seem to already know about a portable MFT you’re building. I must have missed something, but aside from that, isn’t an MFT itself portable even if it is wobbly as a folding card table?
Theoretically yes, but as the owner of an MFT I wouldn’t dream of taking it out of the workshop - way too big and heavy to use on the kind of sites I worked. I don’t actually know of anyone who uses an MFT in this way. 🤷♂️👍
Hi Peter just a quick question that has been bugging me :) The mft/3 can you change the track to another brand and use it ?? Many thanks
Hi Ben. For clarity I have the older MFT1080, it the MFT/3, but same deal. You probably could - the rail ‘hinge’ attaches to the underside t-slot, so as long as it has that, you’re probably OK. Not something I’ve tried though, and not in the workshop for a few days so won’t be able to check. 🤷♂️👍
Hi Peter another comprehensive and well explained review, thank you. I actually sprung for this system prior to my escape into sanity, set it all up ready for my return and intend to use it with either the rail dogs or the axminster rail clips with tall dogs.
However I am wanting to explore the whole accuracy marlarkey before deciding. I have heard tell that Festool make no claims of accuracy of MFT dog holes in terms of their ‘perpendicularity’ and that they are just for clamping - no idea if that is true or not.
Have you carried out the ‘five cut’ test to quantify accuracy - just as a matter of interest?
I also wondered about your forthcoming portable MFT type bench you are embarking on and how you are drilling the dog holes - are you subbing it out or going the Parf guide system from Axminster? Or are you putting your CNC to use on the task?
Keep up the great work you are fast approaching the 100K subscribers and deservedly so.😀👍⛵️
Thanks Norman! I’m impressed you’re keeping up with the UA-cam whilst on holiday! 🙌😆 In all honesty, I’ve never checked the ‘squareness’ of the MFT with the 5-cut method or any other, for a simple reason; if it’s badly out of square I’ll notice, and if I don’t notice then it’s within my tolerance. 🤷♂️ Call me slipshod and slapdash, but at some point I think we have to accept a reasonable level of accuracy from the tools we buy, and I suspect Festool are engaging in a bit of backside-covering because I can guarantee that if they claimed they were square to 0.xxxxx% someone would complain that it wasn’t!
I’ll be making my own top for the mobile bench, but have someone lined up to supply them for anyone interested in buying. 👍👍
Peter Millard I am not keeping up - last day and we are at a hotel so just looking at some ‘fave’ channels in the shade in have just had too much sun, sea, sand and well not enough of that.😉😂
101k subscribers!! Great work, well done! Making my own 1800mm MFT table soon and was wondering if the hinged support unit would attach to the same profile aluminium as the fence is made from? Cheers.
Thanks! No, the Festool hinges rail doesn’t fit the same profile as the Benchdogs fence, unfortunately. 👍
Thanks mate! Looks like Festool are going to get more of my money then!!!😔😂
I bought a few things from Ralph and in my honest opinion it's just glorified mecano at a premium price the laser etching was blurry . Stick to festool or wait until Ralph comes out with mk III
As always, if you want to effect change your comments are best directed at Benchdogs themselves. Also, this vid is from 4 years ago… 🤷♂️
Made back the 19 seconds this week ;)
Yep. I could waffle on a bit, but sometimes you say what needs to be said, and you’re done. Of course, I’ve now thought of more to say... 🤷♂️👍
Did you make those bloopers up? But you're infallible, Peter! [insert broken-hearted emoji here]
Sadly not - this is how it goes, every time, even with a script. 🤷♂️👍
FYI Keybladesandfixings.com is offline.
URLs should always be all lower case.
Appreciate the heads-up, but it isn’t offline for me, and URL’s aren’t case-sensitive. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Weird. I'm getting a generic message displayed from shopify "Only one step left!
To finish setting up your new web address, go to your domain settings, click "Connect existing domain", and enter: keybladesandfixings.com"
Did I make a typo? (urls are not case sensitive only if the server host you're on is configured not to be, which is most often so. But sometimes they are.)
@@mururoa7024Need to use www.keybladesandfixings.com for this one as there's no redirect to it if the www isn't included
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