So basically what the actual sentiment was: “Rigid, strictly enforced notions of time are bad, maybe give a bit on either side and be chill man” and what they said on the poster was: “Being able to coordinate things is bourgeois degeneracy, abolish all time you worker drone loser”
Vaush said science types need to learn how to talk to normies. One of the topics my university has as mandatory for first year IT and engineering students is "Professional Skills," which is basically "How to communicate technical concepts to normies 101". Just saying there are some institutions do try to teach this.
I don't think vaush has been to school for a long time because there's a huge push in academics in general towards teaching people how to communicate. When I worked as a student advisor a few years ago, it was something that was being pushed to the technical programs.
@@khrishp yeah, but his point still stands for the hundreds of thousands of academics that aren't recent students, and are the ones primarily making these studies and poorly communicating them.
Yeah my course had an entire section on science communications. We'd have to do a technical summary of some research that would be appropriate for other sciency people and then a lay summary, which should be suitable for the general public. The point was trying to communicate complex ideas in a simple way that wouldn’t cause people to freak out.
I have adhd and time blindness is incredibly literal for me. If I have an appointment in the next half day, I'm either blissfully unaware of the passage of time until I randomly glance at a clock (or more often now, an alarm goes off on my phone and forces me to shift focus painfully or risk being late) OR I'm a bundle of nerves constantly checking the time, calculating exactly when I have to leave for the fifth time, triple checking that I added in the 10 minute buffer for traffic - oh yeah has traffic gotten better or worse, better check Maps, etc. I only occasionally have the bigger existential time anxiety like you described, but I think it's more because I'm so worn down from the daily time anxiety. Tho more and more of my childhood is turning fucking 25 this year, so no escaping that anymore either!
@@peatmaker1 I find labeled alarms very useful, putting one to tell me "ok if you need to do so and so it's rn, in X min you need to go get ready", then the alarm to go get ready, and the alarm 5min before leaving, just in case to give me time to check I have everything on me. I share with you my own process, having a lot of neurodivergent friends around me I can tell you that you'll have to experiment and understand how you function (or not) better. Don't hesitate to seek the help of a therapist as well!
I'm 27, and I hear a lot of talk around people similar in age to me (late 20's) dreading that 30 is right around the corner. Personally I don't stress over it that much, everyone will die of old age eventually no matter what (if any anti aging technology is made, I guarantee you that working class people will NOT have access to it).
I hate when discourse like this crops up because it takes a pretty agreeable statement like “be more lenient when someone shows up late” and turns it into “erm you want to make clocks illegal? Lmao😂😂😂”
This reminds me of an anecdote I read of Europeans (I think either Spaniards or Englishmen) visiting an agricultural people who were farming rather inefficiently. So they taught the farmers more efficient ways to plant, harvest, etc. A couple years later, they come back to see that the farmers' output is still the same! They talk to the farmers about it, who say happily, "your techniques are very useful! Now we can tend to our community's needs in just half a day, and take the other half to rest and play."
Problem there being that in todays society, it doesnt help you to work faster or more efficiently. If I manage to get 50% more efficient at my job, I dont get to go home 2 hours early, I still gotta do my 8 hours either way, or if I were to get home early, I'd be getting paid less hours for the same amount of work. Shits built to specifically not promote these kinds of improvements.
@@TheSpeep Meanwhile other jobs literally bill by work hours. You get less if you get it done faster, unless of course you demand more per hour, but if you already have to know that in advance you might just have fixed rates from the beginning. Of course, the true reason for this is because of the underying mindset: It's not the work these people produce that's the commodity, it's the workers themselves, and that is reflected in all other aspects of how they get treated.
I've never been to a doctor that was timely. Every appointment in my 40+ years of life has been, "Make sure you show up on time so you can wait for 45 minutes+ before you get called in to see a nurse who shows you to a room to wait another 20+ minutes."
You may need different doctor. Possibly your Dr. Is just trying to do to much taking to many patients and trying to jam lots of ppl through for the chase of profits.
@andrewgreenwood9068 My doctor is rarely marked as behind schedule by even 5 minutes when I go to see her, and it's at least 5-10 minutes in the waiting room from when I check in, then another 5-10 in the appointment room before she comes in. It's literally just built into the system that the patient waits while the one before them is wrapping up. And this clinic is by far the most timely I've been to my entire life.
This has literally happened to me when I was scheduled to be at the clinic at the exact time they opened. I checked in, two other people came in to check in, one of them got called back first (probably there for blood work imo), then by the time I was called back it was 30 minutes past my appointment time. Saw the doctor like 45-55 minutes after schedule. There is no medical emergency or patient who takes too long causing a domino effect if your scheduled apt is at the time they open 😭 lmao why
I think this is the fate of most well-intentioned, left-leaning individuals. Ideas are great, until they discover MONEY, because now they have it and it must be protected, see "my precious". Money corrupts even the best of us, EXCEPT for Bernie Sanders. What I'm trying to say is be careful my polish friend, you don't want to be on the other side of Eat The Rich, do you? Give some away, I don't know, don't be a goblin.
It's equally stupid though. Time isn't "enforced" by any centralise authority. Different people expect punctuality to different degrees. What do you materially want?
@@DavySolaris if you have to come in an hour early to everything because some farmers 100 years ago wanted to move time back an hour, I'd say that's pretty enforced. I'd lose my job if I didn't believe in DST, wouldn't I?
My old doctor quit his job because the 20 minute time crunch was too much for him. He was stressed out that he couldn't help people who really needed it, and he'd get yelled at for going over 20 minutes with a patient. He moved to a different medical office and I hope he's doing well
I am begging people to stop trying to boil down extremely complex ideas into tweets, pamphlets, and little catchy call to action paragraphs. Because it gets misunderstood so SO often
I totally agree. Their message usually gets the opposite outcome from the one those authors would prefer. Messaging and nuance are vital towards understanding.
This really resonated with me due to a personal anecdote. I recently left my job for another job with more pay. But the new place sucked so bad for a hundred reasons, so I went back to my old job. One of the biggest mental drains for me was due to the culture around time. New job wanted us acting like robots with very little leeway, which I admit is normal in most jobs. But my old/current job was extremely lax about time. The clock-in/out system rounded up or down by 15 minutes on the clock, so clocking in at 1:53 is the exact same thing as clocking in at 1:07, or clocking out at 10:23 is the same as clocking out at 10:37. Beyond that, they usually don't care if you clock in before your scheduled time. And you can just leave early once all the work was done. Couple that with the fact that we were properly staffed (read: overstaffed according to management), meant that leaving early was a viable option most of the time if work got done. Overall, it led to an extremely chill work environment where you can chill on your phone for a good portion of the day and really take it easy. It feels incredible and I will struggle to move to a job that tries to treat me like a robot again.
management loves this little lie called "overstaffed." No job I've ever worked that was "overstaffed" suffered for it, in terms of everything getting done and morale being high. And when sh*t hit the wall and you needed all those people at once, it wasn't a big deal, because they were all there
@@cyanthrope But "overstaffing" means they pay more muns to the workers and that means lower profits which is literally the end of the world to bourgeois capitalists. What I'm trying to say here is corporate execs are dumbfucks and make managers be even worse dumbfucks. Edit: I love how youtube tried to warn me against posting this because it seemed too mean lmao
@@sniedendepoes Funny you should say that considering I guarantee you 99% of what you think are "real jobs" are literally mostly just that. And then the jobs where people are worked half to death around the clock with a mere 15-minute break, if that, because they have the bare minimum staff based on math that isn't realistic are not real jobs. I'm always suspicious of anyone who uses the term "real job" because it betrays a fundamental ignorance of how anything works.
As someone who didn’t get them growing up, this is a huge part of why all-inclusive resorts are so popular! Mealtimes are woobly. Activity times are usually woobly. It’s one of the few places time is relative. Or for kids at summer camp. You get meals when the big bell goes, and everything else feels pretty abstract.
I always loved cycling trough wind and weather for an hour straight to get to school, only to be 10 seconds late and get punished. The craziest part at my school was that skipping classes had less severe punishment than being 10 seconds late.
Some “activists” forget social communication and interaction is an actual studied skill, and not “im an extrovert and pro-person so I can TOTALLY be clear and a vanguard!” And smart people need to realize being smart in X subject doesnt mean theyre smart in communicating that subject.
"Can you imagine bus schedules or train schedules ... without exact time-keeping?" I've been to a city where, instead of having bus schedules on every bus stop, they just... show up whenever... with only a lucky few stops in the city having screens that *might* show the times. Maybe Google Maps knows but also maybe not. The train times are accurate most of the time but sometimes the screen says "Train times temporarily not available" and you just stand there for an indefinite number of minutes. Could be up to 27 minutes for a train and 45 minutes for a bus, depending on the time of day and where you are in the city. Some bus stops, like the one outside the Children's Hospital, don't even have benches. This city is Calgary, Alberta🇨🇦.
My family didn't get a telephone until 1940 so I asked my Grandma how they called off work before the phone. She was like "You just didn't show up". The world seemed like a much more casual place back then in some ways.
The idea that doctors *should* see as many patients as physically possible per hour, *is* what is under discussion. The emphasis on efficiency means that any conversation or question destroys the schedule, because efficiency is the counter of resiliency. You saw the same thing with Covid, where even a slight delay in shipping messes up just-in-time deliveries. Grocery stores used to have local warehouses for dry goods, now they get deliveries 3 days before they expect to completely sell out. It’s the same thing that messed up Texas power companies in the blizzard. If you have an option that will be helpful 1 year out of 20, and will cost money all 20 years, then businesses rationally choose to make slightly more money 19/20 years than much more money for 1/20 years. If something costs $100k a year if you pay for it, and $1m in the year you need it but don’t have it, then it makes more sense to just not pay for it, and shut down and pay the costs 1 year out of 20. Which is why texas’ power grid shut down.
Lean Six Sigma, what these organizations all preach and use, claims warehousing is a form of waste. It is snake oil and I don’t understand how society hasn’t realized that. “Trim the fat, starve in the winter”
That only really counts in the emergency unit. Then, fine. As long as the doctor gets enough rest to function, fine. and nurses. The rest doctors need to communicate with doctors with enough time to like actually communicate well about the problems, the first hurdle. Build trust by, not rushing, Have a human side ideally. And that highly depends. Despite sometoimes a doctor needs a break, but it takes as long as it takes within limits. Sometimes fast, sometimes there needs a long to safe talked out humanely well communicated. Which obviously is different in emergencies, so there is that , but else itr really depends how much a doctor should spend and needs to spend zto do their job well. Well nurses too, thats why nurses need to be less overworked that they can actually talk to patients and make them feel safe and its good.
@@marocat4749 it doesn’t help that in the US, 1/2 of doctor time is spent on filling paperwork, because in addition to patient records it also needs to be right for medical billing and insurance purposes. The rest of the world averages between 1/4th and 1/3rd of doctor time spent on charts and paperwork.
This is how time works in Latin America, everyone is late for everything all the time, so people get used to it. Which works great for me because I have ADHD and time has no meaning for me.
God I wish. I live in Germany and while at least I live in a city meaning people are generally more lax due to culture mixes and have work place that's more chill, the general culture is: oh you were late because the train was halted in a bank robbery? You must be a terrible human being that doesn't care about others. Should've taken 10 trains earlier.
Ugh I'm jealous. I showed up 15 minutes late for an appointment to get my adhd and anxiety checked out and they told me to go fuck myself. Seriously. I don't even drive. So I had to bundle and load up my baby twins into a stroller, walk a mile, a lot of it not having sidewalks, for them to be like "well, you're just SOL, try again in 2 weeks bye."
@@mjrhmekssh for real! I never understood why people get so pissed about 10-15 minutes extra waiting for others to come (like in a meet up setting), complaining about the other "being disrespectful and wasting my time". bitch, most of your free time is spent in front of TV, don't act like you spend your time in a productive manner 24/7. I genuinely don't mind people being late since a lot of stuff happen usually (traffic, transport arriving late, you forget important things home and need to get back etc) so I get a bit of narcissistic vibes when I saw my ex friends getting so pissed off at being 10 mins late.
So it’s actually saying “Bro time really stresses people out, we need to chill down a bit and maybe just not force very exact deadlines and expectations.”
This video is maybe the best example of Vaush being a fantastic explainer of sociological, anthropological, and political science concepts, along with leftist and anarchist theory. And I mean every word of that wholeheartedly.
I have never really thought about it that way before but after watching this video, part of what makes me love my job as an EMT is the time thing. Although you have to show up in time to relieve your colleagues, there are no appointments. You get a call, during the call you (almost) never have to do anything but focus on that call and that patient. And only when the call is done are you available for the next call. While at work I almost live in a "timeless state" until my shift is over (highly idealised of course, but it is a huge difference from the previous jobs I worked)
I work at a job where being 1 minute late is unacceptable. We have to wait 14 minutes to clock in and use 15 minutes of our PTO to make up for it. We've embedded ourselves in the gears of a capitalistic machine fueled by war, famine, and over consumption. As the machine moves forward, people like myself will be ripped apart and bones ground to dust within it. If even one of us can fight the machine and slow down the gears from crushing us, we should try.
That is time theft and illegal. Lawyer up, this is an easy case for any decent employment lawyer. But also yes capitalism provides both the incentive to alienate you this way and the insulation between the caste with power (bourgeois) and the caste victim to that power (both worker and also manager, between which capitalism drives a wedge to turn manager into class traitor upon the same threat of starvation that the worker suffers for the exchange of their time and labour) to make such enforcement psychologically tolerable for the bourgeoisie and implacably unchallengeable to the proletariat
Damn, even as an Amazon worker (might depend on where I live and the site I work at), me and my coworkers get a 5-min grace period to not get docked for pay or have to use PTO to make up for it. So for example, my shift starts at 4 AM, but If I were to clock in, say at 4:05 AM, I would still get credited for showing up "on time" and not get my pay docked for that hour, nor would I have to use any PTO to cover those minutes.
I have never once been to a job where me being 2-5 minutes late has ever negatively effect my work throughout the rest of the day especially since I always clockout 10-15 late as well
i live somewhat close to an indigenous community here in brazil, and a thing that always caught us off guard when we scheduled to meet them, is that they would never give a time, sometimes not even a day, as it's pretty rare for them to be doing something that couldn't just be paused to receive guests we would literally show up and they would stop everything to come talk to us, or just keep doing things while talking i kinda envy that lack of anxiety lmao
I think I agree. Feels like we've been maximising efficiency so long we've forgotten what we're even maximising it for. Some things weren't meant to be timed to the second
I’m happy Vaush mentioned Island time. It is more of a cultural feeling toward enjoying life vs only working. A life work balance where one works to live not lives to work.
17:00 from a carib family i can 100% atest to this. We call it Dominican time (we're 🇩🇲). I have to explain to my friends that i have an awful sense of time (like if its been 5 or 10 minutes) and i purely go off vibes.
In other words, somehow convince people(including employers) to just don't be super uncompromising when someone arrives a tad bit late and don't overpunish people who are a tad bit late even if often, only when their late arrival has some significant consequences to something.
Chronically late people dont get punished because their managers have some evil nazi fetish for punctuality, they get reprimanded because it's not fair to everyone else who their shit together. Feel free to not work at a place where you're expected to be on time. Those of us who have the cognitive ability to percieve time will thank you for staying out of our schedule
@@Skibbityboo0580 Yes, the people who are to be convinced are people who have learned that being uncompromising leads to more efficiency hence why people are seen as machines, because only the most efficient get to have some semblance of a good life as they are 'worthy' in the eyes of others. As for why, it can be many things, strict parents, strict schooling, strict employment, strict economy, some learn it from childhood, others during adulthood. Humans and lifeforms in general are machines, just very flexible ones for adaptation so it's no surprise that humanity not needing flexibility as much focuses more on being as rigid as possible similar to classical machinery.
@@LarryLopez91 Salaried or not, if the employer doesn't like that you're not working when they want you to they can still terminate the contract. So, it still depends on whether the employer gives that flexibility or not.
during my little sister’s appointment my mom brought up developmental milestone issues and the doctor interrupted her and said that would need to be a separate appointment for a later date
Island time is absolutely a real thing in Hawaii. You can think of it like going to a chiropractor who relieves a pain in your leg you'd been living with so long you weren't even aware it was there until it wasn't. The only caveat is that now your leg will randomly go numb for a second every so often, causing you to trip and fall. It shouldn't be hard to see how despite being a net benefit, something like this would be almost impossible to gain widespread political support, as anyone could just say, "I don't even know what pain you're talking about, but why do you want me to trip and fall at random times throughout the day?"
It is about being aware of how accurate/precise we need to be in social and economic settings. like in baking you need to measure and be precise in the process, but with cooking you can kind of watch over add this and that pour by hand, and make things work, rather than in chemistry where you might need to get down to the microgram, degree, and second well working.
I have a lot of respect for science communication as a concept. Understanding how to explain complex academic topics to people uneducated on the subject requires skills different to those who simply do the research.
20:26 chatter, there should be MORE doctors, NOT stricter appointment making My dad is a doctor and does not do appointments, it's walk-ins EVEN with ppl who call ahead and say "oh hey I'll be there today in the afternoon" they just show up and see if there's a place He works in a less dense area so usually it works out and ppl don't wait long But if there were more clinics or doctors in denser populated areas, not having appointments be mandatory (or even being an option tbh) will work out
But how do you keep track of it all, I'm also ADHD autistic and I have a lot of trouble sticking to any kind of schedule or real plan, like the closest I seem to do is when I decide I want to do something on a day and just just like make sure it gets done on that day (and as long as it takes after). Like I can keep to stuff that's being forced on me kinda like showing up to uni early and stuff. But generally I really struggle with it, like list making can cause me to have some kind of trauma response for some reason and I cry and it's wierd ya know.
As am I, being slow as fuck and just vibing through everything haphazardly whenever you feel like is basically neurotypical people punishing neurodivergent people. Its a subtly, but very aggressive form of ableism. They try to make us look like the assholes for "being in a rush" but actually they're intentionally disrupting what should be a mutually beneficial interaction because they dont like your "vibe" and would rather punish you for it than benefit from your efficiency, or -god forbid!- compliment it with their own efforts to complete the task!
Difference being, it's a structure you buy into for its usefulness to you rather than one that is thrust on you for profit's sake. That's my take on it anyways.
@@sagebalsys7390 I use a one note document to just list stuff out and i give myself enough leeway so that i don;t get overwhelmed if something takes more time than i assumed to get done
While you brought up office jobs, i want to also bring up hourly wage jobs where you clock in (and yes some places still have physical time cards). Not only does showing up late/forgetting to clock in mean you get less money in your paycheck, but if you dare clock in early or clock out late (sometimes even by a minute), you could get in trouble because places consider it time theft. You know, because they have to pay you for being on the clock for extra time, and so they consider that extra time you stealing money from them. I think this concept of abolishing time could also apply to this and how we treat hourly wages and how we could lighten up on our workers.
I honestly find that system laughable. If you want to pay me for the pre-agreed hours, just pay me for that. Round down lateness, round up earlyness, etc. If you want to measure my time exactly, and pay me exactly for it, you have no right to complain about a few additional minutes. Shouldn't have measured it then.
LMAO its just a prank, the Symbol down at the bottom of the flier calling for the Abolishing of Time, the 8-point Star, means "Chaos Undivided" from Warhammer:40k. Its just a meme guys
I am time blind and the anxiety of everything being on strict time schedules ugh it’s so much easier when the time for most things is more of a loose guideline
I grew up in a _very_ deep red conservative area and the people in town would refer to anything even slightly less than perfect punctuality as being on "n-word time" Could hardly wait for the day I moved away to college
RE the speedrunners comment at the end: actually quite the opposite - speedrunners are time wizards that laugh at time and twist it into pretzels. Speedrunners don't follow time - time follows speedrunners 😅
I so agree with Vaush about time schedule limits doctors' efficiency at work, when I was in the med school we were given a list of procedures to run during checkup through for any given patient assuming no emergency. List is about 15 minutes in execution and half of it are questions. But in the hospital settings you skip one half of it and do questioning while performing remaining procedures. As a result of it you get way less data and quality of it is much worse, but youre done in 3 minutes. It really hurts general practitioners and family doctors. Above is just one example, I am not from US and have no clue about US general medical practice.
As someone with ADHD, the concept of "abolish time" just means my being 10 minutes late to a meeting doesn't give my professors ammunition to hold my college degree ransom due to a perceived lack of respect (true story). Imo it makes perfect sense that timeliness is something imposed rather than something inherently valuable, similar to how perfect attendance is held in school and work culture. I've been chastised my entire life because I cut things close for time, mostly because of the insane amount of willpower it takes for me to change tasks. As a result, my sense of time has gotten to a point where I barely need to check a clock to know what time it is throughout the day, and I'm still late to things. When I plan with my friends, I tend to prefer to agree on a time we start getting ready. Simply redefining what the deadline represents makes the entire experience much more fluid, really levels the playing field imo. I think if timeliness was really totally about efficiency, I would be expected to show up at times other than 5 or 10 minute divisions of the hour. In places where that's not the case it just comes across as an arbitrary test of compliance. Perhaps understanding timeliness like that is a place where neurotypicals have a disadvantage idk.
I don't really know how to think about the time discourse, but I actually do find myself rather agreeing that it is disrespectful to be late (assuming you weren't caught up in an accident or other excusable circumstances.) If we agree to meet 16 o'clock for a 2 hour meeting, and I am punctual and you are not, to the point where we are through with it at 18:10, you will have disrespected me. I made sure to be there on time, yet you didn't act with the same considerateness (of making sure to leave on time, not to get distracted on the way there etc.) towards me as I have towards you. What's more, you are stealing time from me. What could've been a 2 hour Meeting, took me 10 minutes longer. Sure, I can entertain myself playing candy crush or whatever, but rest assured I can think of a more meaningful way of using the limited time of my life than waiting on others due to their lack of self-discipline. Like, I don't like the phrase "Time is money", (as if money were the thing that ought motivate us to keep time...), but that doesn't mean that time does not have a value to us as humans. It's the thing which enables us to make valuable and meaningful connections and experiences. If you don't care about these, okay, but don't let others suffer from your indifference. It seems to me simply disrespectful. But yet another question is what an adult's appropriate response to this disrespect would look like, and I think some people indeed can overreact in that regard tbh.
Like I have, say, 4 appointments, dates, etc per day. Say, I lose 5 minutes per meeting due to someone being late. If we look at that calculation over the course of a human life, then we are talking months here. That is outrageous.
@lorenzreiher1407 The fact that you are calculating time "wasted" and then extrapolating that over the course of an entire lifespan just shows that you've become a machine.
@@lorenzreiher1407 Might as well stop sleeping then since you're losing Years of your life to doing nothing. Stfu, that's a stupid argument. I like how you completely ignored the crux of the argument to instead focus on "how dare you waste my life" (which is your argument by focusing on how fleeting our lives are). Fucking "you're stealing time from me", you're actually 14 in mind and/or body, from working professionally for over 10 years now the only job, and from being alive 26 years the only friends, I've ever had that approached this issue like this are jobs that routinely exploited me for unpaid and underpaid labor and friends that I quickly stopped being friends with. Please grow up, this mind set does nothing but make you an asshole. You seem to have correctly identified that the "time is money" mindset is dogshit but you can't quite connect the dots on how your statements are borderline worse. "You're stealing time from me" give me a fucking break, get over yourself. Gonna be real here, the easiest way to make sure someone is always consistently on time to something is to make the thing they're going to is not only something they are eagerly anticipating but also a judgement free place if they do happen to be late. Nothing makes me care less about being late to an appointment or a hangout if the people there give me shit for being late. There are SO MANY better case by case arguments to be made about people being on time to specific things. As soon as you say "you're stealing my time" you've instantly become unworthy of any time at all, because you've made it not about how being late causes secondary issues you've made it about your own entitlement.
@@lorenzreiher1407Stealing time? Disrespect? Sounds like a deeply conservative (and also neurotic in a specifically unhealthy way) mentality. Trust me, thinking this way doesn't help you in life.
The worst thing is when I was 2 minutes late for a meeting at work and someone made a comment like "let's not wait anymore out of respect for people's times" Or during demos that each person had a 5 minute slot and I went over by 3 minutes making the whole thing be 3 to 4 minutes longer than expected and another coworker went to complain saying that people are taking too long to present and they need to be mindful in the general chat which was clearly directed at me. I also doesn't help thay I have ADHD and I'm bad at time tracking, and even though the company was all about inclusivity, people wouldn't care if affected them. Luckily my manager was understanding in those situations and he doesn't care about it and also thinks that people are being too anal about it.
12:55 In fact the development of the railways and their need for accurate timekeeping was literally what drove our modern precise timekeeping. The necessary timepieces already existed because navigation at sea had necessitated their invention, but it was the railways that brought this kind of precision into everyday life.
Did no one in chat not understand the nuance of saying time on a social level shouldn’t be so restrictive? He didn’t say “daily routine bad” he’s talking about the societal expectations that come with constantly keeping track of time. The idea of being late or being lazy. Obviously time used for mechanical means such as plane and train schedules is different than that. Like..:I’m not the only one who understood what Vaush meant right? I thought it was pretty obvious.
As an unfortunate soul living in eastern europe, being on time is not appreciated. You are expected to be early 15-20 minutes before the stated time even though you can usually be five minutes late. And then probably wait 45 minutes for the other person to arrive, because being early only applies to the applicant, never the one in charge. I'm always on time or at best arrive 5 minute early, because the wait time is ridiculous everywhere. I don't know which stalinist came up with the idea that if you have 12 people arrive early, a couple of them might get their business done faster, but he was clearly wrong. Trying to predict how much time something will take is what causes inefficiencies in the system. It is why schools, bureaucracies and doctors suck. Instead of spending 30 minutes to solve an issue you try to cram it into 10, and when it obviously fails, you have to spend 10 more minutes, and then another 10, each time adding travel time, waiting, ques and so on.
if all trains were frequent enough that it literally didn't matter when you showed up to the station, which is already true for decent metro systems, timetables wouldn't matter to passengers. i already do this if i'm near the city, even if its like 30minutes between trains, but where i live its often 2hrs or more
Im sure everyone that has worked any service/retail/time-card job has had the experience of getting screamed at by their boss for being just 2 minutes late
I had a call center job where you were expected to be able to take a call on the dot, 7 am (or whenever your shift started). This means I technically had to boot up the machine and load up software on my own time. Dubiously legal at best
I do miss not being expected to be reachable at all hours of the day. Remember in the 90s when you could just walk outside and be unreachable for the rest of the day?
Teenagers who saw one social-science headline: "Let's come up with a dumb idea and explain how it benefits society and how kapitalism and/or the patriarcy is in the way." My contribution: Pants. ...now come up with a bunch of BS.
West coast healthcare is so wild, my Dr has no issues with what time I show up, if I had an appt I'll be seen, if I didn't have one, go to the walk in side and get seen
I know I always try to plan things based on vague general time like "Any time after 5:00" or whatever or "After the Session" "Sometime tomorrow" I do it because I have really really bad anxiety and time honestly makes me very uncomfortable. And i'd like others to do it because it makes me more comfortable when I have to only follow a vague idea of time rather than exacts
Vaush: "Another great example is schools. Education is hugely beneficial for both the individual student and society as a whole, and ideas like white supremacy are easily deconstructed even by a mildly educated person. Schools however have historically been used to enforce the ideas of white supremacy to students and, at the same time force them to follow rigid time schedules and discipline to prepare them to be cogs in the capitalist machine as future workers. This is one of the reasons students hate school so much." Vaush fans: "So you're saying that being educated is bad?"
This reminds me of InspiringPhilosophy’s video titled “Time is Different in the Bible” where he goes into detail about how the Bible’s original conception of time was radically opposed to the dominant conception of time we have today in the West (that effectively turns most of us into machines).
I don’t really know if I like the idea of time becoming less socially important. I feel like it could not only lead to a kind of drift with social engagements (e.g., if I have an appointment immediately followed by a lunch date, the appointment ends 15 minutes late, and my date is ready 15 minutes early, then that’s almost a half hour of waiting)
Yeah, like the only argument Vaush brought up against being "more machine-like" is that work has strict time scheduals when it doesn't always need to. If you want a normalization of flexible work hours, justsay you want a normalization of flexible work hours.
That's something that can already happen, even with time schedules. I've had cases where an appointment ran behind for various reasons (technical issues, other people with an appointment running slightly longer, etc.), and times where I arrived thirty minutes early to having lunch with a friend (since I'm generally bad at figuring out how long it takes me to get places and there's the risk of traffic). It's generally not an issue unless you have a rigorously scheduled day that doesn't allow for any leeway. Especially since we have ways of contacting people to adjust plans or give a heads up as needed. And if you are the person who arrives early, you can find other things to do to fill the waiting time (like reading a book, doing light shopping near the place you are getting lunch, walking for daily exercise, etc.).
@@robinvik1He brought up flexible work hours as an illustration of the underlying point. He’s not talking about specific examples here, of which we could come up with many, he’s talking about the underlying issue - he’s using the sociological imagination. This issue goes beyond just flexible work hours.
I mean, do you tell your friends that you're going to meet them at 4pm or do you say you'll just come around 4pm? The interactions are way more relaxed socially and that's fine. We don't need to go to "ill come at some point next week", but consider that its still common and good practice that if you have like a party in the evening, then people will show up anywhere from 3 hours early to 5 hours late. That's just how it is and its entirely okay. It just doesn't need to be precise.
@@cobracrystal_ 3 hours early and 5 hours late is entirely inappropriate. I have never known anyone who is ok with that. That is definitely not common practice.
Time is a measurement of the Earth's relation to the sun and moon and the changing seasons. Always has been and always will be. It is winter time in America but it is summer time in Australia. The notion of "island time" comes from the climate in those regions. They do not experience seasonal changes and it is always sunny.
I think public awareness of time has actually degraded from the watch era to the smartphone era. Watches basically guarantee you accurate continuous time while smartphones only periodically update you. "Checking the time" is now a conscious activity again.
i was went to a training at a professional conference where they explained to us that there was a gradient amongst various countries regarding punctuality. plenty of "white" european countries have a more relaxed attitude about this, as opposed to germany of other northern countries
Partly the problem is also that the arguement gets put into 'white supremacy' 🙄 terms, when its main points and ethical thrust has little or nothing to do with it.
Vaush is quite right here. These edgy kids may very well have come upon a nugget of truth. However, they lack the education and experience to be able to articulate and communicate the idea in a reasoned and persuasive way. As someone who is now 40 years old. I see that they made the classic youth mistake of thinking that scratching the surface of a deep and complex concept. Amounts to being able to espouse upon it as a convincing authority.
"abolish ICE" literally just means "abolish ICE", though, because we could do that tomorrow and nothing of value would be lost. They would not have to be replaced with anything at all
The racial component is super easy to understand. It's just capitalism. Capitalism will always provide more obstacles for minorities, and so anything that enforces capitalism without accounting for those barriers can be interpreted as harmful to those minorities. Using time is universal. There is zero racial component. However the input and output of it can be racist. Like, just access. If a poor country doesn't have people with a lot of watches they'll be at a disadvantage when we interact with them. And I say this as somebody who wants strong social reform but is still a capitalist. It really is a simple concept and I'm starting to think that the vast majority of Vaush's chat just don't understand him.
No matter what, globalism will never end. Some people live in regions where a self-contained society, i.e. a society where all its needs and wants are met using only the resources in their region - is simply not possible. This means people live in places where in order for those societies to continue existing, they HAVE to import resources from around the world. Even if the entire globe became one big communist society, because people's lives depend on these resources being extracted and transported around the globe - there will continue and must continue to have some sort of time-based scheduling to make sure these resources get there on time. I feel like the abolish time movement is actually a whole lot dumber than the other "abolish" movements. Also, just on a physics level, time isn't something we invented. The concept and how we describe it we invented, but there is a natural progression of events in which the moments that have past are fundamentally different from the moments yet to come. This is what we call entropy, and in everyday society, we have substituted it with the word 'time'. Entropy is a natural phenomena and the concept of time is something we invented to measure it. And just on an individual level, how will you ever make plans with anyone or do anything with other people, if you legitimately abolish the very concept of time. There's no more "let's meet in 20 mins." No more "How about next Friday at 2?" Abolishing time is a dumb idea.
I don't quite understand "Abolish Time" . However... Definitely abolish daylight savings time. Clocks back, clocks forward, that nonsense needs to stop. "Isn't there something nice about showing up at a random point of the day, not having a specific time to get there." For all who's waited in a doctors waiting room for over an hour, I speak for us. No. That sounds awful. Truly awful. Edit: I like knowing when people are going to arrive, even if it's just friends coming by. I like knowing when to stop listening to music and listen out to the door. When I'm okay to dance around the house singing to myself and when I should not do that. Time keeping is good, I like it. In a social sense, for me, time is good. I think if people want to abolish it socially, that's going to have to be specific people. And if it's just specific people... then just do that?
I experienced something similar. I am very time obsessed, i need to know at what hour to do what. I noticed IRL in a lot of anarchist circles most people were the opposite. They didnt show up on time, meetings were generally ad hoc, organizing an event or meet up at a squat was a pain cause at most you d get the day and general time of day, but sometimes not even that. Guess is just a diffrence between types of people, as they were the street punk kind of leftist while I hate to say this but im the academic type
@@livinginahotdog1563 I'm definitely more alligned with street punk, but I do like keeping track of time. I'm more socialist capitalist than Anarchist though. Most likely due to living in the UK, if I was in America, I imagine I'd be vehemently anti capitalism. I love showing up to things either a little early, or on time. I dislike to draw negative attention to myself, or be an inconvenience. Being on time is good for me. Google says @mw8308's quote is from something called 12 Monkeys. Oooh Oooh Aaah Aaah.
hot take: I actually LIKE when I know friends or so will actually meet with me at the time we talked about and not 5 minutes later without at least TELLING me
I remember a Doogie Howser episode that goes into the time aspect that you're talking about (When Doogie Comes Marching Home). At beginning of the episode Doogie was trying to increase the number of patients he sees, at the end of episode he switched to talking with his patients and was able to solve a set of reoccurring lead poisoning incidents that a patient was experiencing. Actually talking with patients is one of the reasons that people like quack doctors, they actually have time to listen to their patients problems.
I work for a hospital. Most doctors don't get to schedule their own appointments. That is done for them by the hospital. I've heard a lot of them complaining that they don't have enough time for each of their patients. Not all of their patients can fit in a specified time block. Some of the patients need more than the allocated time to be able to be provided proper care!
I really dont like how Vaush constantly invokes this idea of "being human" or "losing humanity" in such a nebulous vague way. its such a flexible subjective concept and he regularly throws it around anytime he doesn't like something. "it's not human" "it takes away from being human"
He does that when he has no real argument against something. So he just throws out "muh humanity" as some kind of lazy way to garner emotional support. He does this with AI art as well and this likely explains why he said he will never debate the subject with anyone (other than the fact that he said he believes people who use any AI program for any reason are worse than a global fascist takeover). He's content with grasping at straws, vapid emotional appeals, and insulting all who disagree with him when he doesn't want to or can't respond to an argument.
In fact he just did it again with his Palworld video. Vaush says he believes playing games he considers to be "slop" will "stop you from growing or changing as a person" because you'll get too used to a daily routine. In the same video Vaush also said he believes that everyday we should "seek to do, think, and find interesting things" to make our days more memorable, yet that's exactly what people are doing by playing these games they've never played before like Palworld. What's his definition of slop? "A game designed to hook your time with homogeneous sludge (he never defines what sludge is and I can only assume it means something he doesn't like) and not challenge you in any way". He believes Palworld, World of Warcraft, and all gatcha games fall under this category despite them all challenging the player during gameplay in some way. And the funny thing is, despite this incredibly broad and nonsensical "definition" of slop, he does not believe Angry Birds games are slop.
@@Eacles I mean. He's a neckbeard with notoriously bad media takes. He likes things and needs some objective reason why, so he twists himself up like a pretzel instead of just going "Yeah I like this cause its just cool to me" and everything he doesn't like has to be morally and objectively bad.
African culture really is, different, as its , while it can get very frustrating so in some regards, especially with when shit needs to be done, but its also really a chill being loose with time for good too.
This is what the Luddites were really protesting. They weren't opposed to technology, they just didn't want to work at a machine's pace, and especially on the graveyard shift. They correctly divined that this was deadly over the long term, and for this they were tarred as backward and irrational. By the factory owners, of course.
Ive yet to see a single person advocating "abolish thing" who, upon explanation, really meant "heavily reform". Every single one of them has meant, truly, literally... abolish.
I think it would take as much time to lead them into explaining how police or prisons (or whatever) are necessary, as it would take to lead a libertarian into explaining how a state is necessary.
and I've yet to see a single person who literally argues we should completely get rid of police or prisons or whatever. Maybe my social circle is different than yours, iunno
So basically what the actual sentiment was:
“Rigid, strictly enforced notions of time are bad, maybe give a bit on either side and be chill man”
and what they said on the poster was:
“Being able to coordinate things is bourgeois degeneracy, abolish all time you worker drone loser”
I would’ve accepted, “folks on Island time are typically happier so let’s not be so rigid.”
Yeah relaxing a bit is just fine, but getting rid of it would collapse society.
@@Darkloid21Then let us collapse society.
@@WitherRakdosI'd like my heart meds, actually, so no.
@@WitherRakdos Sure, let me know how that works
Vaush said science types need to learn how to talk to normies. One of the topics my university has as mandatory for first year IT and engineering students is "Professional Skills," which is basically "How to communicate technical concepts to normies 101".
Just saying there are some institutions do try to teach this.
I don't think vaush has been to school for a long time because there's a huge push in academics in general towards teaching people how to communicate. When I worked as a student advisor a few years ago, it was something that was being pushed to the technical programs.
@@khrishpwell I think he did say he graduated around, idk 2014-2016? So you’re correct that he hasn’t been in any sort of school setting for a while.
@@khrishp yeah, but his point still stands for the hundreds of thousands of academics that aren't recent students, and are the ones primarily making these studies and poorly communicating them.
Science communication is important and I have a lot of respect for people who are good at it
Yeah my course had an entire section on science communications. We'd have to do a technical summary of some research that would be appropriate for other sciency people and then a lay summary, which should be suitable for the general public. The point was trying to communicate complex ideas in a simple way that wouldn’t cause people to freak out.
Time anxiety is so real. I remember turning 25 and my dad said, "Congrats, bud. You've lived about 33% of your life."
I have adhd and time blindness is incredibly literal for me. If I have an appointment in the next half day, I'm either blissfully unaware of the passage of time until I randomly glance at a clock (or more often now, an alarm goes off on my phone and forces me to shift focus painfully or risk being late) OR I'm a bundle of nerves constantly checking the time, calculating exactly when I have to leave for the fifth time, triple checking that I added in the 10 minute buffer for traffic - oh yeah has traffic gotten better or worse, better check Maps, etc.
I only occasionally have the bigger existential time anxiety like you described, but I think it's more because I'm so worn down from the daily time anxiety. Tho more and more of my childhood is turning fucking 25 this year, so no escaping that anymore either!
@@Xanthelei I'm still 18, any tips? I have adhd as well and deal with the same thing you just described.
You're dad sounds like an asshole
@@peatmaker1 I find labeled alarms very useful, putting one to tell me "ok if you need to do so and so it's rn, in X min you need to go get ready", then the alarm to go get ready, and the alarm 5min before leaving, just in case to give me time to check I have everything on me.
I share with you my own process, having a lot of neurodivergent friends around me I can tell you that you'll have to experiment and understand how you function (or not) better. Don't hesitate to seek the help of a therapist as well!
I'm 27, and I hear a lot of talk around people similar in age to me (late 20's) dreading that 30 is right around the corner. Personally I don't stress over it that much, everyone will die of old age eventually no matter what (if any anti aging technology is made, I guarantee you that working class people will NOT have access to it).
I hate when discourse like this crops up because it takes a pretty agreeable statement like “be more lenient when someone shows up late” and turns it into “erm you want to make clocks illegal? Lmao😂😂😂”
Me with my constantly f*cked sleep schedule drifting an hour every day throughout university:
"I am four parallel universes ahead of you."
How many A-presses did it take?
@@embrikchloraker8186 2.5x A-Presses
@@embrikchloraker8186 Only a half "A" press
That happens to me, and it turned out to be a circadian rhythm disorder called non 24 hour sleep wake phase disorder. Maybe you should look into that
This reminds me of an anecdote I read of Europeans (I think either Spaniards or Englishmen) visiting an agricultural people who were farming rather inefficiently. So they taught the farmers more efficient ways to plant, harvest, etc.
A couple years later, they come back to see that the farmers' output is still the same! They talk to the farmers about it, who say happily, "your techniques are very useful! Now we can tend to our community's needs in just half a day, and take the other half to rest and play."
Why do you need mountains of produce if you have no markets and no means of storage?
@@bob7975why, even if you had those, would you work more to produce more when there is no need for it?
Problem there being that in todays society, it doesnt help you to work faster or more efficiently.
If I manage to get 50% more efficient at my job, I dont get to go home 2 hours early, I still gotta do my 8 hours either way, or if I were to get home early, I'd be getting paid less hours for the same amount of work.
Shits built to specifically not promote these kinds of improvements.
sounds like average Spaniard work ethic
@@TheSpeep Meanwhile other jobs literally bill by work hours. You get less if you get it done faster, unless of course you demand more per hour, but if you already have to know that in advance you might just have fixed rates from the beginning.
Of course, the true reason for this is because of the underying mindset: It's not the work these people produce that's the commodity, it's the workers themselves, and that is reflected in all other aspects of how they get treated.
I can't believe Vaush said we should destroy all clocks and make apointments based on the sun's position in the sky instead
You can actually do that.
@@JARV9701 I live in Norway, this winter there was literally a month were we got two hours of sunlight in total
@@robinvik1 and "getting" two hours is a bit of a stretch, a lot of us were stuck in offices during those hours
The motherfucking CLOCKS
@@robinvik1Well, sucks for you, but the rest of the world we do have sunlight.
I've never been to a doctor that was timely. Every appointment in my 40+ years of life has been, "Make sure you show up on time so you can wait for 45 minutes+ before you get called in to see a nurse who shows you to a room to wait another 20+ minutes."
Because every patient before you took 20 minutes longer than anticipated
You may need different doctor. Possibly your Dr. Is just trying to do to much taking to many patients and trying to jam lots of ppl through for the chase of profits.
A lot of the time when there is a really long wait it is because there was a medical emergency that they needed to deal with.
@andrewgreenwood9068 My doctor is rarely marked as behind schedule by even 5 minutes when I go to see her, and it's at least 5-10 minutes in the waiting room from when I check in, then another 5-10 in the appointment room before she comes in. It's literally just built into the system that the patient waits while the one before them is wrapping up. And this clinic is by far the most timely I've been to my entire life.
This has literally happened to me when I was scheduled to be at the clinic at the exact time they opened. I checked in, two other people came in to check in, one of them got called back first (probably there for blood work imo), then by the time I was called back it was 30 minutes past my appointment time. Saw the doctor like 45-55 minutes after schedule. There is no medical emergency or patient who takes too long causing a domino effect if your scheduled apt is at the time they open 😭 lmao why
Vaush is going to turn into a doctor who villian.
Or a batman villain XD Thee anti clock king
Vaush is actually The Master in disguise
I think this is the fate of most well-intentioned, left-leaning individuals. Ideas are great, until they discover MONEY, because now they have it and it must be protected, see "my precious". Money corrupts even the best of us, EXCEPT for Bernie Sanders. What I'm trying to say is be careful my polish friend, you don't want to be on the other side of Eat The Rich, do you? Give some away, I don't know, don't be a goblin.
80% problem could have been avoided if they had used the term "enforced time" instead of equivocating.
It's equally stupid though. Time isn't "enforced" by any centralise authority. Different people expect punctuality to different degrees. What do you materially want?
@@DavySolariswhat r u taking about??we literally have daylight savings
@@claymusicoff5663 not everyone uses DST and it has nothing to do with enforcement of rigid scheduling on people, this is a non-point
@@DavySolaris if you have to come in an hour early to everything because some farmers 100 years ago wanted to move time back an hour, I'd say that's pretty enforced. I'd lose my job if I didn't believe in DST, wouldn't I?
@@themightymcb7310 yeah the tyranny of fulfilling your obligations to other people fucking sucks bro sorry
My old doctor quit his job because the 20 minute time crunch was too much for him. He was stressed out that he couldn't help people who really needed it, and he'd get yelled at for going over 20 minutes with a patient. He moved to a different medical office and I hope he's doing well
People in 2050 will be like:
“Hey what time is it?”
“Heh. time for you to get a…uh…uhhhhhhh”
Adventure Time!
Everybody will turn into obamna?
non-ironically peak leftist humour
Half past a hair and a quarter to a wart.
discount faulty nuerolink required to clock in
I am begging people to stop trying to boil down extremely complex ideas into tweets, pamphlets, and little catchy call to action paragraphs.
Because it gets misunderstood so SO often
I totally agree. Their message usually gets the opposite outcome from the one those authors would prefer. Messaging and nuance are vital towards understanding.
Allistic people do not care if they are understood or not. They only care if they are agreed with.
Maybe people should be more inquisitive. 8 hours to work, 8 hours to rest, 8 hours for family. That was the old slogan
The historical weight of different verbs seems to make certain individuals go absolutely insane.
Complicated problems aren't readily solved by easy answers.
This really resonated with me due to a personal anecdote. I recently left my job for another job with more pay. But the new place sucked so bad for a hundred reasons, so I went back to my old job. One of the biggest mental drains for me was due to the culture around time. New job wanted us acting like robots with very little leeway, which I admit is normal in most jobs. But my old/current job was extremely lax about time. The clock-in/out system rounded up or down by 15 minutes on the clock, so clocking in at 1:53 is the exact same thing as clocking in at 1:07, or clocking out at 10:23 is the same as clocking out at 10:37. Beyond that, they usually don't care if you clock in before your scheduled time. And you can just leave early once all the work was done. Couple that with the fact that we were properly staffed (read: overstaffed according to management), meant that leaving early was a viable option most of the time if work got done. Overall, it led to an extremely chill work environment where you can chill on your phone for a good portion of the day and really take it easy. It feels incredible and I will struggle to move to a job that tries to treat me like a robot again.
management loves this little lie called "overstaffed." No job I've ever worked that was "overstaffed" suffered for it, in terms of everything getting done and morale being high. And when sh*t hit the wall and you needed all those people at once, it wasn't a big deal, because they were all there
@@cyanthrope But "overstaffing" means they pay more muns to the workers and that means lower profits which is literally the end of the world to bourgeois capitalists.
What I'm trying to say here is corporate execs are dumbfucks and make managers be even worse dumbfucks.
Edit: I love how youtube tried to warn me against posting this because it seemed too mean lmao
It’s not a real job if you are on your phone for most of the day
@@sniedendepoes Funny you should say that considering I guarantee you 99% of what you think are "real jobs" are literally mostly just that. And then the jobs where people are worked half to death around the clock with a mere 15-minute break, if that, because they have the bare minimum staff based on math that isn't realistic are not real jobs.
I'm always suspicious of anyone who uses the term "real job" because it betrays a fundamental ignorance of how anything works.
Literally abolish Bedtime discourse
@JamesRoyceDawson Damn, your brain is so smooth XD
@@JohnDoe-xv9dunah he's genuinely correct here this shit is stupid
@@joey_youtubewho? What’s stupid?
@@BlueTyphoon2017 the discourse
@@joey_youtube dumbfuck being like "being terminally online is my whole personality" XD
As someone who didn’t get them growing up, this is a huge part of why all-inclusive resorts are so popular!
Mealtimes are woobly. Activity times are usually woobly. It’s one of the few places time is relative.
Or for kids at summer camp. You get meals when the big bell goes, and everything else feels pretty abstract.
I had a device once that abolishes time. Its powered by water in one end and weed in the other end
My friend had one of those. When it was time to use it, my friend went like BONG BONG BONG
BING BONG WAHOO WAHOO ITS'A ME @@uninstaller2860
Ain't that the truth
I always loved cycling trough wind and weather for an hour straight to get to school, only to be 10 seconds late and get punished. The craziest part at my school was that skipping classes had less severe punishment than being 10 seconds late.
Some “activists” forget social communication and interaction is an actual studied skill, and not “im an extrovert and pro-person so I can TOTALLY be clear and a vanguard!”
And smart people need to realize being smart in X subject doesnt mean theyre smart in communicating that subject.
"Can you imagine bus schedules or train schedules ... without exact time-keeping?"
I've been to a city where, instead of having bus schedules on every bus stop, they just... show up whenever... with only a lucky few stops in the city having screens that *might* show the times. Maybe Google Maps knows but also maybe not. The train times are accurate most of the time but sometimes the screen says "Train times temporarily not available" and you just stand there for an indefinite number of minutes. Could be up to 27 minutes for a train and 45 minutes for a bus, depending on the time of day and where you are in the city. Some bus stops, like the one outside the Children's Hospital, don't even have benches.
This city is Calgary, Alberta🇨🇦.
My family didn't get a telephone until 1940 so I asked my Grandma how they called off work before the phone. She was like "You just didn't show up". The world seemed like a much more casual place back then in some ways.
The idea that doctors *should* see as many patients as physically possible per hour, *is* what is under discussion. The emphasis on efficiency means that any conversation or question destroys the schedule, because efficiency is the counter of resiliency. You saw the same thing with Covid, where even a slight delay in shipping messes up just-in-time deliveries. Grocery stores used to have local warehouses for dry goods, now they get deliveries 3 days before they expect to completely sell out.
It’s the same thing that messed up Texas power companies in the blizzard. If you have an option that will be helpful 1 year out of 20, and will cost money all 20 years, then businesses rationally choose to make slightly more money 19/20 years than much more money for 1/20 years. If something costs $100k a year if you pay for it, and $1m in the year you need it but don’t have it, then it makes more sense to just not pay for it, and shut down and pay the costs 1 year out of 20. Which is why texas’ power grid shut down.
Lean Six Sigma, what these organizations all preach and use, claims warehousing is a form of waste. It is snake oil and I don’t understand how society hasn’t realized that.
“Trim the fat, starve in the winter”
That only really counts in the emergency unit. Then, fine. As long as the doctor gets enough rest to function, fine. and nurses.
The rest doctors need to communicate with doctors with enough time to like actually communicate well about the problems, the first hurdle. Build trust by, not rushing, Have a human side ideally. And that highly depends. Despite sometoimes a doctor needs a break, but it takes as long as it takes within limits. Sometimes fast, sometimes there needs a long to safe talked out humanely well communicated.
Which obviously is different in emergencies, so there is that , but else itr really depends how much a doctor should spend and needs to spend zto do their job well.
Well nurses too, thats why nurses need to be less overworked that they can actually talk to patients and make them feel safe and its good.
@@marocat4749 it doesn’t help that in the US, 1/2 of doctor time is spent on filling paperwork, because in addition to patient records it also needs to be right for medical billing and insurance purposes.
The rest of the world averages between 1/4th and 1/3rd of doctor time spent on charts and paperwork.
This is how time works in Latin America, everyone is late for everything all the time, so people get used to it. Which works great for me because I have ADHD and time has no meaning for me.
God I wish. I live in Germany and while at least I live in a city meaning people are generally more lax due to culture mixes and have work place that's more chill, the general culture is: oh you were late because the train was halted in a bank robbery? You must be a terrible human being that doesn't care about others. Should've taken 10 trains earlier.
@@mjrhmekssh Kann es bestätigen
Ugh I'm jealous. I showed up 15 minutes late for an appointment to get my adhd and anxiety checked out and they told me to go fuck myself. Seriously. I don't even drive. So I had to bundle and load up my baby twins into a stroller, walk a mile, a lot of it not having sidewalks, for them to be like "well, you're just SOL, try again in 2 weeks bye."
@@mjrhmekssh for real! I never understood why people get so pissed about 10-15 minutes extra waiting for others to come (like in a meet up setting), complaining about the other "being disrespectful and wasting my time". bitch, most of your free time is spent in front of TV, don't act like you spend your time in a productive manner 24/7. I genuinely don't mind people being late since a lot of stuff happen usually (traffic, transport arriving late, you forget important things home and need to get back etc) so I get a bit of narcissistic vibes when I saw my ex friends getting so pissed off at being 10 mins late.
@@mjrhmeksshand in Germany you make what twice the purchasing power parity if not three times
So it’s actually saying “Bro time really stresses people out, we need to chill down a bit and maybe just not force very exact deadlines and expectations.”
This video is maybe the best example of Vaush being a fantastic explainer of sociological, anthropological, and political science concepts, along with leftist and anarchist theory. And I mean every word of that wholeheartedly.
He is my go to interpreter and translator of concepts. If I were his student he'd be my favorite teacher
TL:DR you gay.
I have never really thought about it that way before but after watching this video, part of what makes me love my job as an EMT is the time thing. Although you have to show up in time to relieve your colleagues, there are no appointments. You get a call, during the call you (almost) never have to do anything but focus on that call and that patient. And only when the call is done are you available for the next call. While at work I almost live in a "timeless state" until my shift is over (highly idealised of course, but it is a huge difference from the previous jobs I worked)
I work at a job where being 1 minute late is unacceptable. We have to wait 14 minutes to clock in and use 15 minutes of our PTO to make up for it. We've embedded ourselves in the gears of a capitalistic machine fueled by war, famine, and over consumption. As the machine moves forward, people like myself will be ripped apart and bones ground to dust within it. If even one of us can fight the machine and slow down the gears from crushing us, we should try.
You can't put that Genie back in the bottle production has to continue and even centralized economies like the Soviet Union had time schedules
That is time theft and illegal. Lawyer up, this is an easy case for any decent employment lawyer.
But also yes capitalism provides both the incentive to alienate you this way and the insulation between the caste with power (bourgeois) and the caste victim to that power (both worker and also manager, between which capitalism drives a wedge to turn manager into class traitor upon the same threat of starvation that the worker suffers for the exchange of their time and labour) to make such enforcement psychologically tolerable for the bourgeoisie and implacably unchallengeable to the proletariat
Damn, even as an Amazon worker (might depend on where I live and the site I work at), me and my coworkers get a 5-min grace period to not get docked for pay or have to use PTO to make up for it.
So for example, my shift starts at 4 AM, but If I were to clock in, say at 4:05 AM, I would still get credited for showing up "on time" and not get my pay docked for that hour, nor would I have to use any PTO to cover those minutes.
I have never once been to a job where me being 2-5 minutes late has ever negatively effect my work throughout the rest of the day especially since I always clockout 10-15 late as well
i live somewhat close to an indigenous community here in brazil, and a thing that always caught us off guard when we scheduled to meet them, is that they would never give a time, sometimes not even a day, as it's pretty rare for them to be doing something that couldn't just be paused to receive guests
we would literally show up and they would stop everything to come talk to us, or just keep doing things while talking
i kinda envy that lack of anxiety lmao
I think I agree. Feels like we've been maximising efficiency so long we've forgotten what we're even maximising it for. Some things weren't meant to be timed to the second
I guess mechanical hands really are the ruler of everything
ruler of everything (in the end)
Thank you Tally Hall, very cool
I don't know of any clocks that use rulers for hands. /j
@@wta1518 a clock is just a circular ruler that measures time instead of length when you think about it
@@specter5336 So it's not a ruler
I’m happy Vaush mentioned Island time. It is more of a cultural feeling toward enjoying life vs only working. A life work balance where one works to live not lives to work.
Me omw to break my clock in my rebellion against time itself (I am shocked to learn it is still passing)
17:00 from a carib family i can 100% atest to this. We call it Dominican time (we're 🇩🇲). I have to explain to my friends that i have an awful sense of time (like if its been 5 or 10 minutes) and i purely go off vibes.
In other words, somehow convince people(including employers) to just don't be super uncompromising when someone arrives a tad bit late and don't overpunish people who are a tad bit late even if often, only when their late arrival has some significant consequences to something.
That would be great, but have you met people?
Chronically late people dont get punished because their managers have some evil nazi fetish for punctuality, they get reprimanded because it's not fair to everyone else who their shit together. Feel free to not work at a place where you're expected to be on time. Those of us who have the cognitive ability to percieve time will thank you for staying out of our schedule
@@Skibbityboo0580 Yes, the people who are to be convinced are people who have learned that being uncompromising leads to more efficiency hence why people are seen as machines, because only the most efficient get to have some semblance of a good life as they are 'worthy' in the eyes of others. As for why, it can be many things, strict parents, strict schooling, strict employment, strict economy, some learn it from childhood, others during adulthood. Humans and lifeforms in general are machines, just very flexible ones for adaptation so it's no surprise that humanity not needing flexibility as much focuses more on being as rigid as possible similar to classical machinery.
Being a salaried employee gives me that flexibility at my job.
@@LarryLopez91 Salaried or not, if the employer doesn't like that you're not working when they want you to they can still terminate the contract. So, it still depends on whether the employer gives that flexibility or not.
during my little sister’s appointment my mom brought up developmental milestone issues and the doctor interrupted her and said that would need to be a separate appointment for a later date
Island time is absolutely a real thing in Hawaii. You can think of it like going to a chiropractor who relieves a pain in your leg you'd been living with so long you weren't even aware it was there until it wasn't. The only caveat is that now your leg will randomly go numb for a second every so often, causing you to trip and fall. It shouldn't be hard to see how despite being a net benefit, something like this would be almost impossible to gain widespread political support, as anyone could just say, "I don't even know what pain you're talking about, but why do you want me to trip and fall at random times throughout the day?"
I'm endlessly frustrated that I can't get my smartphone home screen to display seconds
It is about being aware of how accurate/precise we need to be in social and economic settings. like in baking you need to measure and be precise in the process, but with cooking you can kind of watch over add this and that pour by hand, and make things work, rather than in chemistry where you might need to get down to the microgram, degree, and second well working.
I have a lot of respect for science communication as a concept. Understanding how to explain complex academic topics to people uneducated on the subject requires skills different to those who simply do the research.
20:26 chatter, there should be MORE doctors, NOT stricter appointment making
My dad is a doctor and does not do appointments, it's walk-ins EVEN with ppl who call ahead and say "oh hey I'll be there today in the afternoon" they just show up and see if there's a place
He works in a less dense area so usually it works out and ppl don't wait long
But if there were more clinics or doctors in denser populated areas, not having appointments be mandatory (or even being an option tbh) will work out
Very big brain solution
As an ADHD autist who needs to schedule everything I do from work to specific leisure activities, I'm a pro time extremist
But how do you keep track of it all, I'm also ADHD autistic and I have a lot of trouble sticking to any kind of schedule or real plan, like the closest I seem to do is when I decide I want to do something on a day and just just like make sure it gets done on that day (and as long as it takes after). Like I can keep to stuff that's being forced on me kinda like showing up to uni early and stuff. But generally I really struggle with it, like list making can cause me to have some kind of trauma response for some reason and I cry and it's wierd ya know.
As am I, being slow as fuck and just vibing through everything haphazardly whenever you feel like is basically neurotypical people punishing neurodivergent people. Its a subtly, but very aggressive form of ableism.
They try to make us look like the assholes for "being in a rush" but actually they're intentionally disrupting what should be a mutually beneficial interaction because they dont like your "vibe" and would rather punish you for it than benefit from your efficiency, or -god forbid!- compliment it with their own efforts to complete the task!
Difference being, it's a structure you buy into for its usefulness to you rather than one that is thrust on you for profit's sake.
That's my take on it anyways.
@@antarath517 Time isnt s construct do you know what planets are
@@sagebalsys7390 I use a one note document to just list stuff out and i give myself enough leeway so that i don;t get overwhelmed if something takes more time than i assumed to get done
While you brought up office jobs, i want to also bring up hourly wage jobs where you clock in (and yes some places still have physical time cards). Not only does showing up late/forgetting to clock in mean you get less money in your paycheck, but if you dare clock in early or clock out late (sometimes even by a minute), you could get in trouble because places consider it time theft. You know, because they have to pay you for being on the clock for extra time, and so they consider that extra time you stealing money from them. I think this concept of abolishing time could also apply to this and how we treat hourly wages and how we could lighten up on our workers.
I honestly find that system laughable. If you want to pay me for the pre-agreed hours, just pay me for that. Round down lateness, round up earlyness, etc. If you want to measure my time exactly, and pay me exactly for it, you have no right to complain about a few additional minutes. Shouldn't have measured it then.
LMAO its just a prank, the Symbol down at the bottom of the flier calling for the Abolishing of Time, the 8-point Star, means "Chaos Undivided" from Warhammer:40k. Its just a meme guys
Actually the 8 pointed star of chaos comes from the works of Michael Moorcock. It was just adapted in 40k and warhammer in general.
I am time blind and the anxiety of everything being on strict time schedules ugh it’s so much easier when the time for most things is more of a loose guideline
I grew up in a _very_ deep red conservative area and the people in town would refer to anything even slightly less than perfect punctuality as being on "n-word time"
Could hardly wait for the day I moved away to college
i misread the title as "Men need to stop making time machines"
RE the speedrunners comment at the end: actually quite the opposite - speedrunners are time wizards that laugh at time and twist it into pretzels. Speedrunners don't follow time - time follows speedrunners 😅
I so agree with Vaush about time schedule limits doctors' efficiency at work, when I was in the med school we were given a list of procedures to run during checkup through for any given patient assuming no emergency. List is about 15 minutes in execution and half of it are questions. But in the hospital settings you skip one half of it and do questioning while performing remaining procedures. As a result of it you get way less data and quality of it is much worse, but youre done in 3 minutes. It really hurts general practitioners and family doctors.
Above is just one example, I am not from US and have no clue about US general medical practice.
As someone with ADHD, the concept of "abolish time" just means my being 10 minutes late to a meeting doesn't give my professors ammunition to hold my college degree ransom due to a perceived lack of respect (true story).
Imo it makes perfect sense that timeliness is something imposed rather than something inherently valuable, similar to how perfect attendance is held in school and work culture. I've been chastised my entire life because I cut things close for time, mostly because of the insane amount of willpower it takes for me to change tasks. As a result, my sense of time has gotten to a point where I barely need to check a clock to know what time it is throughout the day, and I'm still late to things. When I plan with my friends, I tend to prefer to agree on a time we start getting ready. Simply redefining what the deadline represents makes the entire experience much more fluid, really levels the playing field imo.
I think if timeliness was really totally about efficiency, I would be expected to show up at times other than 5 or 10 minute divisions of the hour. In places where that's not the case it just comes across as an arbitrary test of compliance. Perhaps understanding timeliness like that is a place where neurotypicals have a disadvantage idk.
I don't really know how to think about the time discourse, but I actually do find myself rather agreeing that it is disrespectful to be late (assuming you weren't caught up in an accident or other excusable circumstances.) If we agree to meet 16 o'clock for a 2 hour meeting, and I am punctual and you are not, to the point where we are through with it at 18:10, you will have disrespected me. I made sure to be there on time, yet you didn't act with the same considerateness (of making sure to leave on time, not to get distracted on the way there etc.) towards me as I have towards you. What's more, you are stealing time from me. What could've been a 2 hour Meeting, took me 10 minutes longer. Sure, I can entertain myself playing candy crush or whatever, but rest assured I can think of a more meaningful way of using the limited time of my life than waiting on others due to their lack of self-discipline. Like, I don't like the phrase "Time is money", (as if money were the thing that ought motivate us to keep time...), but that doesn't mean that time does not have a value to us as humans. It's the thing which enables us to make valuable and meaningful connections and experiences. If you don't care about these, okay, but don't let others suffer from your indifference. It seems to me simply disrespectful.
But yet another question is what an adult's appropriate response to this disrespect would look like, and I think some people indeed can overreact in that regard tbh.
Like I have, say, 4 appointments, dates, etc per day. Say, I lose 5 minutes per meeting due to someone being late. If we look at that calculation over the course of a human life, then we are talking months here. That is outrageous.
@lorenzreiher1407 The fact that you are calculating time "wasted" and then extrapolating that over the course of an entire lifespan just shows that you've become a machine.
@@lorenzreiher1407 Might as well stop sleeping then since you're losing Years of your life to doing nothing. Stfu, that's a stupid argument.
I like how you completely ignored the crux of the argument to instead focus on "how dare you waste my life" (which is your argument by focusing on how fleeting our lives are). Fucking "you're stealing time from me", you're actually 14 in mind and/or body, from working professionally for over 10 years now the only job, and from being alive 26 years the only friends, I've ever had that approached this issue like this are jobs that routinely exploited me for unpaid and underpaid labor and friends that I quickly stopped being friends with.
Please grow up, this mind set does nothing but make you an asshole. You seem to have correctly identified that the "time is money" mindset is dogshit but you can't quite connect the dots on how your statements are borderline worse.
"You're stealing time from me" give me a fucking break, get over yourself.
Gonna be real here, the easiest way to make sure someone is always consistently on time to something is to make the thing they're going to is not only something they are eagerly anticipating but also a judgement free place if they do happen to be late. Nothing makes me care less about being late to an appointment or a hangout if the people there give me shit for being late.
There are SO MANY better case by case arguments to be made about people being on time to specific things. As soon as you say "you're stealing my time" you've instantly become unworthy of any time at all, because you've made it not about how being late causes secondary issues you've made it about your own entitlement.
@@lorenzreiher1407Stealing time? Disrespect? Sounds like a deeply conservative (and also neurotic in a specifically unhealthy way) mentality. Trust me, thinking this way doesn't help you in life.
I think Vasuh's rhetoric really shines here: cut to the fundamental issue, the emotional weigh, the rot that has been imposed on our souls.
The worst thing is when I was 2 minutes late for a meeting at work and someone made a comment like "let's not wait anymore out of respect for people's times"
Or during demos that each person had a 5 minute slot and I went over by 3 minutes making the whole thing be 3 to 4 minutes longer than expected and another coworker went to complain saying that people are taking too long to present and they need to be mindful in the general chat which was clearly directed at me.
I also doesn't help thay I have ADHD and I'm bad at time tracking, and even though the company was all about inclusivity, people wouldn't care if affected them.
Luckily my manager was understanding in those situations and he doesn't care about it and also thinks that people are being too anal about it.
12:55 In fact the development of the railways and their need for accurate timekeeping was literally what drove our modern precise timekeeping. The necessary timepieces already existed because navigation at sea had necessitated their invention, but it was the railways that brought this kind of precision into everyday life.
Did no one in chat not understand the nuance of saying time on a social level shouldn’t be so restrictive? He didn’t say “daily routine bad” he’s talking about the societal expectations that come with constantly keeping track of time. The idea of being late or being lazy. Obviously time used for mechanical means such as plane and train schedules is different than that.
Like..:I’m not the only one who understood what Vaush meant right? I thought it was pretty obvious.
As an unfortunate soul living in eastern europe, being on time is not appreciated. You are expected to be early 15-20 minutes before the stated time even though you can usually be five minutes late. And then probably wait 45 minutes for the other person to arrive, because being early only applies to the applicant, never the one in charge. I'm always on time or at best arrive 5 minute early, because the wait time is ridiculous everywhere. I don't know which stalinist came up with the idea that if you have 12 people arrive early, a couple of them might get their business done faster, but he was clearly wrong.
Trying to predict how much time something will take is what causes inefficiencies in the system. It is why schools, bureaucracies and doctors suck. Instead of spending 30 minutes to solve an issue you try to cram it into 10, and when it obviously fails, you have to spend 10 more minutes, and then another 10, each time adding travel time, waiting, ques and so on.
Its probably a result of the glorious american "shock therapy" more than anything.
IDGAF about abolishing time. What I want is 13 months with 28 days each
The Historia Civilis video the chatter recommended was pretty good.
I now recommend it as well.
if all trains were frequent enough that it literally didn't matter when you showed up to the station, which is already true for decent metro systems, timetables wouldn't matter to passengers.
i already do this if i'm near the city, even if its like 30minutes between trains, but where i live its often 2hrs or more
That reminds me of my trip to italy actually... never checked the time on the subways... only time that mattered was when the last train was
Im sure everyone that has worked any service/retail/time-card job has had the experience of getting screamed at by their boss for being just 2 minutes late
I had a call center job where you were expected to be able to take a call on the dot, 7 am (or whenever your shift started). This means I technically had to boot up the machine and load up software on my own time. Dubiously legal at best
I do miss not being expected to be reachable at all hours of the day. Remember in the 90s when you could just walk outside and be unreachable for the rest of the day?
Teenagers who saw one social-science headline:
"Let's come up with a dumb idea and explain how it benefits society and how kapitalism and/or the patriarcy is in the way."
My contribution:
Pants.
...now come up with a bunch of BS.
West coast healthcare is so wild, my Dr has no issues with what time I show up, if I had an appt I'll be seen, if I didn't have one, go to the walk in side and get seen
machine men with machine minds and machine hearts
I know I always try to plan things based on vague general time like
"Any time after 5:00" or whatever
or
"After the Session"
"Sometime tomorrow"
I do it because I have really really bad anxiety and time honestly makes me very uncomfortable.
And i'd like others to do it because it makes me more comfortable when I have to only follow a vague idea of time rather than exacts
Vaush:
"Another great example is schools. Education is hugely beneficial for both the individual student and society as a whole, and ideas like white supremacy are easily deconstructed even by a mildly educated person. Schools however have historically been used to enforce the ideas of white supremacy to students and, at the same time force them to follow rigid time schedules and discipline to prepare them to be cogs in the capitalist machine as future workers. This is one of the reasons students hate school so much."
Vaush fans:
"So you're saying that being educated is bad?"
This reminds me of InspiringPhilosophy’s video titled “Time is Different in the Bible” where he goes into detail about how the Bible’s original conception of time was radically opposed to the dominant conception of time we have today in the West (that effectively turns most of us into machines).
I don’t really know if I like the idea of time becoming less socially important. I feel like it could not only lead to a kind of drift with social engagements (e.g., if I have an appointment immediately followed by a lunch date, the appointment ends 15 minutes late, and my date is ready 15 minutes early, then that’s almost a half hour of waiting)
Yeah, like the only argument Vaush brought up against being "more machine-like" is that work has strict time scheduals when it doesn't always need to. If you want a normalization of flexible work hours, justsay you want a normalization of flexible work hours.
What kind of appointment?
That's something that can already happen, even with time schedules. I've had cases where an appointment ran behind for various reasons (technical issues, other people with an appointment running slightly longer, etc.), and times where I arrived thirty minutes early to having lunch with a friend (since I'm generally bad at figuring out how long it takes me to get places and there's the risk of traffic).
It's generally not an issue unless you have a rigorously scheduled day that doesn't allow for any leeway. Especially since we have ways of contacting people to adjust plans or give a heads up as needed. And if you are the person who arrives early, you can find other things to do to fill the waiting time (like reading a book, doing light shopping near the place you are getting lunch, walking for daily exercise, etc.).
@@robinvik1He brought up flexible work hours as an illustration of the underlying point. He’s not talking about specific examples here, of which we could come up with many, he’s talking about the underlying issue - he’s using the sociological imagination. This issue goes beyond just flexible work hours.
@@Necroskull388 No, I don't think so. Because if all these other examples existed, wouldn't Vaush or you have mentioned them by now?
Me after reading the 1973 classic "Momo" by Michael Ende
Me watching 12 monkeys the tv show.
Not gonna lie, I expected a fashion segment about watches.
I feel like abolishing it would lead to less freedom not more. It would be impossible to organize or plan anything social.
We were socializing as communities for hundreds of thousands of years before the invention of clocks.
I mean, plenty of cultures get by just fine
I mean, do you tell your friends that you're going to meet them at 4pm or do you say you'll just come around 4pm? The interactions are way more relaxed socially and that's fine. We don't need to go to "ill come at some point next week", but consider that its still common and good practice that if you have like a party in the evening, then people will show up anywhere from 3 hours early to 5 hours late. That's just how it is and its entirely okay. It just doesn't need to be precise.
@@cobracrystal_ 3 hours early and 5 hours late is entirely inappropriate. I have never known anyone who is ok with that. That is definitely not common practice.
@@ixchel3330 Not really they don’t. Almost every one has some form of this unless you’re in some hunter gatherer group.
Time is a measurement of the Earth's relation to the sun and moon and the changing seasons. Always has been and always will be.
It is winter time in America but it is summer time in Australia.
The notion of "island time" comes from the climate in those regions. They do not experience seasonal changes and it is always sunny.
I think public awareness of time has actually degraded from the watch era to the smartphone era. Watches basically guarantee you accurate continuous time while smartphones only periodically update you. "Checking the time" is now a conscious activity again.
i was went to a training at a professional conference where they explained to us that there was a gradient amongst various countries regarding punctuality. plenty of "white" european countries have a more relaxed attitude about this, as opposed to germany of other northern countries
Partly the problem is also that the arguement gets put into 'white supremacy' 🙄 terms, when its main points and ethical thrust has little or nothing to do with it.
Historia Civilis: Work
Great youtube video about clocks and work
It even goes back to the whole "8 hours work, 8 hours recreation, 8 hours rest" thing from the industrial revolution
Vaush is quite right here. These edgy kids may very well have come upon a nugget of truth. However, they lack the education and experience to be able to articulate and communicate the idea in a reasoned and persuasive way. As someone who is now 40 years old. I see that they made the classic youth mistake of thinking that scratching the surface of a deep and complex concept. Amounts to being able to espouse upon it as a convincing authority.
Ameliorate, young vaushite! Go forth and espouse!
"abolish ICE" literally just means "abolish ICE", though, because we could do that tomorrow and nothing of value would be lost. They would not have to be replaced with anything at all
The racial component is super easy to understand. It's just capitalism. Capitalism will always provide more obstacles for minorities, and so anything that enforces capitalism without accounting for those barriers can be interpreted as harmful to those minorities. Using time is universal. There is zero racial component. However the input and output of it can be racist. Like, just access. If a poor country doesn't have people with a lot of watches they'll be at a disadvantage when we interact with them. And I say this as somebody who wants strong social reform but is still a capitalist. It really is a simple concept and I'm starting to think that the vast majority of Vaush's chat just don't understand him.
What about making Mice of men?
You just gave me a high school flash back and not in a good way
Uh.. uh.. what about making.. uh.. Canterburys of.. tales?
I've heard things about such plans
This reminds me of that historia civilis video about how clocks were made to oppress the workers
No matter what, globalism will never end. Some people live in regions where a self-contained society, i.e. a society where all its needs and wants are met using only the resources in their region - is simply not possible. This means people live in places where in order for those societies to continue existing, they HAVE to import resources from around the world. Even if the entire globe became one big communist society, because people's lives depend on these resources being extracted and transported around the globe - there will continue and must continue to have some sort of time-based scheduling to make sure these resources get there on time. I feel like the abolish time movement is actually a whole lot dumber than the other "abolish" movements. Also, just on a physics level, time isn't something we invented. The concept and how we describe it we invented, but there is a natural progression of events in which the moments that have past are fundamentally different from the moments yet to come. This is what we call entropy, and in everyday society, we have substituted it with the word 'time'. Entropy is a natural phenomena and the concept of time is something we invented to measure it. And just on an individual level, how will you ever make plans with anyone or do anything with other people, if you legitimately abolish the very concept of time. There's no more "let's meet in 20 mins." No more "How about next Friday at 2?" Abolishing time is a dumb idea.
The standardization of time was also inevitable as society evolved and became more connected.
I dunno about others, Vaush, but when I say "abolish the time", I do mean, "bring down the wrath of immaterium down to the mortal realm", actually
Live your truth, king 👑
Accelerationist red flood moment!
I don't quite understand "Abolish Time" . However... Definitely abolish daylight savings time. Clocks back, clocks forward, that nonsense needs to stop.
"Isn't there something nice about showing up at a random point of the day, not having a specific time to get there." For all who's waited in a doctors waiting room for over an hour, I speak for us. No. That sounds awful. Truly awful.
Edit: I like knowing when people are going to arrive, even if it's just friends coming by. I like knowing when to stop listening to music and listen out to the door. When I'm okay to dance around the house singing to myself and when I should not do that. Time keeping is good, I like it. In a social sense, for me, time is good. I think if people want to abolish it socially, that's going to have to be specific people. And if it's just specific people... then just do that?
I experienced something similar. I am very time obsessed, i need to know at what hour to do what. I noticed IRL in a lot of anarchist circles most people were the opposite. They didnt show up on time, meetings were generally ad hoc, organizing an event or meet up at a squat was a pain cause at most you d get the day and general time of day, but sometimes not even that. Guess is just a diffrence between types of people, as they were the street punk kind of leftist while I hate to say this but im the academic type
Abolish time.... Abolish death. We will meet again in the Red Forest. The Witness Has Spoken.
@@mw8308 which game is that from?
@@livinginahotdog1563 It's great TV Show called 12 Monkeys about abolishing time. Would 100% recommend watching it if you like sci-fi.
@@livinginahotdog1563 I'm definitely more alligned with street punk, but I do like keeping track of time. I'm more socialist capitalist than Anarchist though.
Most likely due to living in the UK, if I was in America, I imagine I'd be vehemently anti capitalism.
I love showing up to things either a little early, or on time. I dislike to draw negative attention to myself, or be an inconvenience. Being on time is good for me.
Google says @mw8308's quote is from something called 12 Monkeys. Oooh Oooh Aaah Aaah.
hot take: I actually LIKE when I know friends or so will actually meet with me at the time we talked about and not 5 minutes later without at least TELLING me
Well there WAS that line in Trucks (the original short story) about "workers who no longer punch a clock, but simply drop and are replaced".
I remember a Doogie Howser episode that goes into the time aspect that you're talking about (When Doogie Comes Marching Home). At beginning of the episode Doogie was trying to increase the number of patients he sees, at the end of episode he switched to talking with his patients and was able to solve a set of reoccurring lead poisoning incidents that a patient was experiencing.
Actually talking with patients is one of the reasons that people like quack doctors, they actually have time to listen to their patients problems.
I work for a hospital. Most doctors don't get to schedule their own appointments. That is done for them by the hospital. I've heard a lot of them complaining that they don't have enough time for each of their patients. Not all of their patients can fit in a specified time block. Some of the patients need more than the allocated time to be able to be provided proper care!
If we abolish time, then the Doctor won't exist. ;(
The witness has spoken.
I really dont like how Vaush constantly invokes this idea of "being human" or "losing humanity" in such a nebulous vague way.
its such a flexible subjective concept and he regularly throws it around anytime he doesn't like something.
"it's not human"
"it takes away from being human"
He does that when he has no real argument against something. So he just throws out "muh humanity" as some kind of lazy way to garner emotional support. He does this with AI art as well and this likely explains why he said he will never debate the subject with anyone (other than the fact that he said he believes people who use any AI program for any reason are worse than a global fascist takeover). He's content with grasping at straws, vapid emotional appeals, and insulting all who disagree with him when he doesn't want to or can't respond to an argument.
@@Eacles looking at clocks makes us less human because uh... it just does okay!
In fact he just did it again with his Palworld video. Vaush says he believes playing games he considers to be "slop" will "stop you from growing or changing as a person" because you'll get too used to a daily routine. In the same video Vaush also said he believes that everyday we should "seek to do, think, and find interesting things" to make our days more memorable, yet that's exactly what people are doing by playing these games they've never played before like Palworld.
What's his definition of slop? "A game designed to hook your time with homogeneous sludge (he never defines what sludge is and I can only assume it means something he doesn't like) and not challenge you in any way". He believes Palworld, World of Warcraft, and all gatcha games fall under this category despite them all challenging the player during gameplay in some way. And the funny thing is, despite this incredibly broad and nonsensical "definition" of slop, he does not believe Angry Birds games are slop.
@@Eacles I mean. He's a neckbeard with notoriously bad media takes.
He likes things and needs some objective reason why, so he twists himself up like a pretzel instead of just going "Yeah I like this cause its just cool to me"
and everything he doesn't like has to be morally and objectively bad.
Glad we got this
Managers who act like you can be late by a few seconds make me so angry I can’t think straight
Speedrunning's a cool example actually. Beat your PB, not the world record.
The saying "Time is money" didn't come from nowhere.
African culture really is, different, as its , while it can get very frustrating so in some regards, especially with when shit needs to be done, but its also really a chill being loose with time for good too.
This is what the Luddites were really protesting. They weren't opposed to technology, they just didn't want to work at a machine's pace, and especially on the graveyard shift. They correctly divined that this was deadly over the long term, and for this they were tarred as backward and irrational. By the factory owners, of course.
They said refund, not abolish, police. YUGE difference.
Ive yet to see a single person advocating "abolish thing" who, upon explanation, really meant "heavily reform". Every single one of them has meant, truly, literally... abolish.
I think it would take as much time to lead them into explaining how police or prisons (or whatever) are necessary, as it would take to lead a libertarian into explaining how a state is necessary.
and I've yet to see a single person who literally argues we should completely get rid of police or prisons or whatever. Maybe my social circle is different than yours, iunno