09:51 3rd shot and serving team moves up improperly. I'm seeing this more and more. In open play, my serving partner moves up to the nvz as soon as they see the ball coming in my direction for the 3rd shot. 90% of the time, our opponents hit the 4th ball directly at my partner's body. No matter how many times I explain what you stated in the video, people refuse to study the strategy. People are thinking the "return and run" is the same for the 3rd shot. It's so frustrating.
Rory, Can you do a pick a part on the below video? The lady in black runs up to the kitchen line as her partner hits the 3rd shot. At the 9:28 minute mark, she gets hit with the ball. This is what I'm seeing in open play. UA-cam channel @hesterOnFire Video is from 10/20/2024 ua-cam.com/video/J8eN96npgZ0/v-deo.htmlsi=7lNOktNjMdALKBYA
It is. Your partner has to make sure your third shot drop is a successful one. I do understand crashing on a third shot drive, especially if the return is hit shallow, for the shake and bake.
Great video, as always. One of the things I've had a few conversations about recently is *what to do* if one's opponent fails to move up after the return (points two and three IIRC). You recommend sending the ball deep and pinning them back. That is indeed what most people do, and is probably the right answer in general. OTOH, when I'm dealing with a very strong baseline specialist (usually a former tennis player), I often find that it's a perfect time to do a dink/reset into the kitchen. If they get to it at all, it's usually an easy put-away a moment later. What's your criterion for when to do which?
I prefer to keep them back. I would not give them an excuse to move up. A lot of tennis players will get to a dink. If the player is not very mobile, that could be an option. In pickleball, I don't think there is such a thing as a baseline specialist. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Agreed that there's not really such a thing as a baseline specialist, in the sense that - as the common saying goes - you can't really win from back there. But some try, and what I sometimes find is that trying to pin them back just leads to a stalemate. They keep sending hard shots with lots of spin at me, I keep blocking them back, until one of us (usually me 😋) breaks the pattern. Might be a good video idea in there somewhere, or maybe you've already done it before I started following.
@@jeffdarcy6786 I agree with you. Conventional wisdom is to hit deep to someone who hasn't made it to the kitchen, or has even remained at the baseline. On the other hand, as you pointed out, dropping a shallow return into the kitchen will force that person to hit the ball on the run, and will often result in a popup or a shot into the net- if they can return it at all. In general, I'd say mix it up, test the limits of your opponent(s), probe their weaknesses, and figure out what works best.
@@donaldlenardson6291 Did you miss the part where I said *in general* pinning them back is the right thing, and that dropping one short is *situational*? I even explained why, and what typically happens. Reading comprehension on the internet is poor, but come on dude. Don't be obnoxious just for the hell of it.
Rory, good beginner ( < 3.0 ? ) vid. I would say #4 is the one that once done properly increased my effectiveness the most. Granted, the others are crucial and learned first, but that higher, deeper return allowing this older guy to get up and defend the 3rd shot, which is usually a drive until the “drop” is mastered, paid big dividends.
good points, Rory, i picked up that i have definitely been too agressive getting to the NVZ. i play with different partners continually, so i need to better evaluate their ability to get return of serves deep enough (as one example)
Thanks for this video, I try to work with some of the newer players not to be afraid of being at the NVZ, but it is difficult to get them to feel comfortable there. And, which paddle do you have? 6.0 (but the markings are much different than I am used to seeing) is this a different model? Thanks!!
Anyone who watches this video knows all this. The players making these mistakes don’t know Pickleball instruction videos exist on UA-cam or they just don’t want to be bothered. They justify their bad play by saying they just want to have fun. Mention videos like this to them and they laugh at you.
Beginners including myself when I first started playing pickleball are uncomfortable going up to the kitchen because the return are often hit hard and just don’t know how to defend up close therefore stay back and drive the ball which is more like playing tennis on a small court instead of pickleball. Now that I teach beginners, I explain to them that they shouldn’t fear being at the kitchen and just move aside to let the ball fly by if it’s above their shoulders for its most likely going out of the court.
Good point. If it's high, let it fly. I tell players who are hesitant to move forward if they get hit by the ball, it'll leave a mark for a couple of days but it will go away. I also encourage them to wear protective eyewear. Thanks for watching.
Holy S**t! I'm watching the video and I'm thinking "hey, I know those people from the pro disc golf world", but what are the chances they are showing up in an instructional pickleball video? So I keep watching, and sure enough, it is an entire group of my friends, including world champion Catrina Allen. Can't wait to get them on a court sometime on tour!
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Yes, she's a 2x world champion in disc golf, and clearly is into fitness. If she puts any attention into pickleball, I have no doubt she would get really good. And her husband is a beast of an athlete, too. I think he has a baseball background, and he has a wicked overhand throw with a disc. If that translated into an overhead slam with a picklepaddle, he may rival Thomas Wilson's paddle speed.
Rory, you left the most important question unanswered...why, in the name of all things holy and unholy, would any of these obvious beginners be recording and PUBLISHING these videos of them playing a sport they don't know how to play? Also, how can you pay me back for the 12min I invested hoping to learn something? Can you send me a free T-shirt or something??🙃
If you never make ANY of these positioning errors then you are at least a 4.0+ player. Why in the name of all things holy and unholy did you keep watching this entire video when it is obviously geared to help novice players? The words "easy" and "simple" are plastered all over the description and even the title of this video. You watched the ENTIRE thing without realizing this content is for beginners? And then you snark at Rory about it, as if it's HIS fault you wasted your own time? Weird.
@@Scot_White you're right, I am a 4.0+ player, and I don't see why you feel the need to shame someone who has an addiction - yes, I watch lots of pickleball videos and sometimes get sucked in to watch the whole thing even when it's bad! And....you're wrong in your characterization of the title - it doesn't say anything about beginners, it just says the mistakes are easy to fix. There were 6 mistakes Rory said he would cover and it wasn't clear that each would be only for raw beginners. I was having fun with Rory, and he appeared to get that. You, my friend, need to chill - go play some beginner pickleball. 😃
09:51 3rd shot and serving team moves up improperly.
I'm seeing this more and more. In open play, my serving partner moves up to the nvz as soon as they see the ball coming in my direction for the 3rd shot. 90% of the time, our opponents hit the 4th ball directly at my partner's body. No matter how many times I explain what you stated in the video, people refuse to study the strategy. People are thinking the "return and run" is the same for the 3rd shot. It's so frustrating.
Rory,
Can you do a pick a part on the below video? The lady in black runs up to the kitchen line as her partner hits the 3rd shot. At the 9:28 minute mark, she gets hit with the ball. This is what I'm seeing in open play.
UA-cam channel @hesterOnFire
Video is from 10/20/2024
ua-cam.com/video/J8eN96npgZ0/v-deo.htmlsi=7lNOktNjMdALKBYA
It is. Your partner has to make sure your third shot drop is a successful one. I do understand crashing on a third shot drive, especially if the return is hit shallow, for the shake and bake.
Thanks for asking. I'll be happy to do it. However, I am out of town playing Pickleball for the next 10 days. I'll get to it when I get back.
Great video… I liked the format on how you chose to show the improper positioning of the players in a simple way.
Thanks for the nice compliment and thanks for watching.
Great video, as always. One of the things I've had a few conversations about recently is *what to do* if one's opponent fails to move up after the return (points two and three IIRC). You recommend sending the ball deep and pinning them back. That is indeed what most people do, and is probably the right answer in general. OTOH, when I'm dealing with a very strong baseline specialist (usually a former tennis player), I often find that it's a perfect time to do a dink/reset into the kitchen. If they get to it at all, it's usually an easy put-away a moment later. What's your criterion for when to do which?
I prefer to keep them back. I would not give them an excuse to move up. A lot of tennis players will get to a dink. If the player is not very mobile, that could be an option. In pickleball, I don't think there is such a thing as a baseline specialist. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Agreed that there's not really such a thing as a baseline specialist, in the sense that - as the common saying goes - you can't really win from back there. But some try, and what I sometimes find is that trying to pin them back just leads to a stalemate. They keep sending hard shots with lots of spin at me, I keep blocking them back, until one of us (usually me 😋) breaks the pattern. Might be a good video idea in there somewhere, or maybe you've already done it before I started following.
@@jeffdarcy6786 I agree with you. Conventional wisdom is to hit deep to someone who hasn't made it to the kitchen, or has even remained at the baseline.
On the other hand, as you pointed out, dropping a shallow return into the kitchen will force that person to hit the ball on the run, and will often result in a popup or a shot into the net- if they can return it at all.
In general, I'd say mix it up, test the limits of your opponent(s), probe their weaknesses, and figure out what works best.
Yeah , but you volunteerily invited your opponents up to the NVZ . BAD IDEA !
@@donaldlenardson6291 Did you miss the part where I said *in general* pinning them back is the right thing, and that dropping one short is *situational*? I even explained why, and what typically happens. Reading comprehension on the internet is poor, but come on dude. Don't be obnoxious just for the hell of it.
Rory, good beginner ( < 3.0 ? ) vid. I would say #4 is the one that once done properly increased my effectiveness the most. Granted, the others are crucial and learned first, but that higher, deeper return allowing this older guy to get up and defend the 3rd shot, which is usually a drive until the “drop” is mastered, paid big dividends.
Glad to hear it. Thanks for watching.
Good deal. Having enough time to get to the non-volley zone when returning a serve is very important.
good points, Rory, i picked up that i have definitely been too agressive getting to the NVZ. i play with different partners continually, so i need to better evaluate their ability to get return of serves deep enough (as one example)
Great! I hope it helps. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for this video, I try to work with some of the newer players not to be afraid of being at the NVZ, but it is difficult to get them to feel comfortable there. And, which paddle do you have? 6.0 (but the markings are much different than I am used to seeing) is this a different model? Thanks!!
Thanks for watching and thanks for asking. It's the Six Zero Double Black Diamond. It also comes with a pink logo and a multi-color logo.
nice commentary, hope you can help me improve my strategy.
I hope so, too. Thanks for watching.
6:10
😂😂😂 I cant stand this situation
Thanks for watching. It's no fun when your partner is out of position.
Anyone who watches this video knows all this. The players making these mistakes don’t know Pickleball instruction videos exist on UA-cam or they just don’t want to be bothered. They justify their bad play by saying they just want to have fun. Mention videos like this to them and they laugh at you.
This video was kind of intended for newer players. I see them make these mistakes all the time. Thanks for watching.
Beginners including myself when I first started playing pickleball are uncomfortable going up to the kitchen because the return are often hit hard and just don’t know how to defend up close therefore stay back and drive the ball which is more like playing tennis on a small court instead of pickleball. Now that I teach beginners, I explain to them that they shouldn’t fear being at the kitchen and just move aside to let the ball fly by if it’s above their shoulders for its most likely going out of the court.
Good point. If it's high, let it fly. I tell players who are hesitant to move forward if they get hit by the ball, it'll leave a mark for a couple of days but it will go away. I also encourage them to wear protective eyewear. Thanks for watching.
Holy S**t! I'm watching the video and I'm thinking "hey, I know those people from the pro disc golf world", but what are the chances they are showing up in an instructional pickleball video? So I keep watching, and sure enough, it is an entire group of my friends, including world champion Catrina Allen. Can't wait to get them on a court sometime on tour!
World champion! That's pretty impressive.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Yes, she's a 2x world champion in disc golf, and clearly is into fitness. If she puts any attention into pickleball, I have no doubt she would get really good. And her husband is a beast of an athlete, too. I think he has a baseball background, and he has a wicked overhand throw with a disc. If that translated into an overhead slam with a picklepaddle, he may rival Thomas Wilson's paddle speed.
Spent big bucks on a Selkirk paddle but no money on lessons. Most of these players had no instruction nor watched your channel.
Instruction would have really helped them. Watching the channel may have helped as well. I do appreciate you watching.
I like it
Thanks for watching.
So the problem here is that those aren't pickleball players in the first clip; they are professional disc golfers. 😂
Haha!
I was thinking the same thing. But there are many people on the Rec courts that make these same mistakes.
When you serve and continue your momentum moving forward onto the court, you are a "Creeper" not a "Cheater"
Well, you could be a cheater too ;-)
Thanks for pointing that out. I'll change it to creeper. Thanks for watching.
Rory, you left the most important question unanswered...why, in the name of all things holy and unholy, would any of these obvious beginners be recording and PUBLISHING these videos of them playing a sport they don't know how to play? Also, how can you pay me back for the 12min I invested hoping to learn something? Can you send me a free T-shirt or something??🙃
Haha! I have to find players who don't do things correctly in order to help others learn! Thanks for watching.
If you never make ANY of these positioning errors then you are at least a 4.0+ player. Why in the name of all things holy and unholy did you keep watching this entire video when it is obviously geared to help novice players? The words "easy" and "simple" are plastered all over the description and even the title of this video. You watched the ENTIRE thing without realizing this content is for beginners? And then you snark at Rory about it, as if it's HIS fault you wasted your own time? Weird.
@@Scot_White you're right, I am a 4.0+ player, and I don't see why you feel the need to shame someone who has an addiction - yes, I watch lots of pickleball videos and sometimes get sucked in to watch the whole thing even when it's bad!
And....you're wrong in your characterization of the title - it doesn't say anything about beginners, it just says the mistakes are easy to fix. There were 6 mistakes Rory said he would cover and it wasn't clear that each would be only for raw beginners.
I was having fun with Rory, and he appeared to get that. You, my friend, need to chill - go play some beginner pickleball. 😃
Maybe spend less time picking out an outfit and more time watching pickleball pick apart 😅
That's funny!
Absolutely clueless!
I see that a lot. (Unfortunately!)