I'm 39 minutes in and smith orw/e is saying you shouldn't fk people but i'm sitting here thinking we make a rule you have to fuck everyone who comes on stream so there's no power dynamic
A bunch of women defending Destiny whilst your doxxer friends are being called out on sub reddits. This is festering Steven and people will use this against you the day these women will turn on you. I can't defend you remember what MamaMax did just be careful.
Lav - tries to claim a huge streamer is an abusive SAr with almost 0 evidence, talks out of her ass about everyone, always insults people she talks to, and then screams about how people are making things about her? She is the definition of the bike meme where the person puts a stick in their own wheel and falls over blaming someone else
First 30 mins, her entire defence is "I'm stupid, stop pretending that I'm anything but stupid", yet she still asks them to take her seriously in every other circumstance.
@@VerdeDrums literally exactly what she would say. “Take what i say seriously! Unless I realize what i said was bad, then don’t take it seriously!” I’m literally the same age as her, 24, and i don’t understand how she has such a child like mentality and doesn’t think about the consequences to her actions before she takes them. She says she had an “emotionally abusive and upbringing and was neglected”, but maybe she was just a shitty person even when she was young and that’s why no one liked her. & The people that did give her some attention was because she was pretty, which isn’t me being misogynistic, pretty privilege is a thing that even women say is real. I promise you there’s plenty of people that have wayyyy WORSE childhoods than she had, and aren’t as shitty of people, and also don’t use their childhood to excuse all their bad actions. Steven is right, her therapist fucking melted her brain with all these psych terms.
Remember the "baby voice" that redacted used to do? Lav does that. As soon as she's on the back foot, she adopts this tone like "oh don't attack me, Im just a sweet girl."
This is a _pretty_ common thing with w0m3n though, even offline. It’s like the “you can dish it but you can’t take it” kinda thing. And it works, to an extent, most of the time. Which is why they keep doing it. [keep reading below] On the other hand, M3n, when backed into a corner on arguments, tend to get more aggressive and yell and it causes people to recoil and back up a bit. Very similar strategies/results but from opposite tactics. Pretty interesting imo.
Bro I legit thought she was back on the channel a while back during a livestream. I was listening to it while working in my garage semi zoned out and thought it was *redacted* for like a minute lol Lav sounded just like her
My problem with people like Lav is they ask for infinite understanding for all of their bad behavior, trying to contextualize everything so they are beyond reproach, but give literally 0 understanding or patience to people who get upset by their actions. It's like me punching you in the face and crying my hand hurts, but when you say you're mad I hit you, I freak out and say you have no right because my hand hurts
Lav: * shouts for 5 minutes because someone called her white knight a weirdo in response to him saying dumb shit * Lav: * insults every woman who disagrees with her *
She is clearly an attention seeking child who only goes online to get validation only. If anyone says anything that so much as mentions her she loses her shit. Should probably stay offline and smell grass.
The best way to demonstrate the problem with Destiny’s prior defense of Lav as “just a young person figuring herself out” is to have her publicly accuse him of rape and make the same excuse.
@Bee R true but destiny's problem is that he thinks that letting people just air out their confusion with little consequences is the way to get growth but some people need to be thrown to the cold cold world beaten down by it and either trek through it all or covered and silenced by it.
The guy who made that meme is also an insane narcissist and stole this joke from me just changed a couple words around. Was crying in my inbox today about being a misunderstood genius. What a coincidence
Lav seems to always simultaneously want 2 contradictory things. She wants to be taken seriously but also wants kid gloves. She wants to constantly thrust herself into drama but doesnt want the drama to involve her She wants to be able to call people names for hours straight but doesnt want people to insult her.
She's always all over the place, picking and choosing what seems optically best for her in the moment but she has no ability to look 2 steps forward or backward. It makes it hard for anyone to engage with her because she jumps from one stance to the other. Lav: It's not my fault, I don't know what to do! Lycan: Here is what you could do... Lav: No not that! Why are you holding me to these standards?
Put simply she wants to be treated with benevolent sexism. She has clearly been coddled and likes it that's why she seeked out destiny and felt so hurt when destiny finally started to be forced to push back. That's my problem with destiny during this antimisogynistic arc and it's the same thing aba talked about. You can't just give people the ability to be heard and act crazy because of their group.
I still don’t get how he says Lav is intelligent. Yes compared to the girls on fresh and fit she’s probably smarter than most of them. But compared to the people in destiny’s orbit she’s probably the dumbest person. I’d argue Sneako is more consistent and intelligent than her lol.
Anavoir and Pixi redeeming themselves by comming back to fight the streams new villains while being very measured is exactly the kind of character development we need on this stream
I'm genuinely so friggin tired of the blatant manipulation, lying, projection, actual misogyny, self victimization, deflection, and vindictive behavior that Lav does. Along with the fake crying and 'lost and innocent little girl' voice she uses to manipulate people into feeling like she's some innocent little child who is getting attacked... Nearly every instance that she gets the tiniest pushback. Including immediately after going on the attack, treating people like absolute sh*t, making accusations, etc. That fake crying/distressed manipulation tactic isn't effective when we are continuously seeing/hearing you go back to your normal baseline once people start coddling you or you get your way. In reality, people can see right through her BS and that she moves around with intentionality, more often than not. These are rarely ever just innocent, oblivious, and unintentional "mistakes". Every wrong thing she does, turns into her claiming she's just young and dumb - so you can't possibly blame her. Of course, it's while she is simultaneously screaming and crying that you can't think she's stupid. She is constantly on the attack of every other woman she interacts with (except if she thinks she'll gain points and can center herself in the conversation by forcing herself into discussions that is so out of from her reach). Then somehow manages to scream misogyny over the slightest, most gentle, valid criticism. She constantly does and says terrible things, then cries victim and portrays herself as a 10 year old incapable of ever understanding right from wrong. Imagine continuously telling people that they need to "meet me where I'm at because you are ruining my life", demanding people to just let you "do my thing" no matter what - without the slightest consequence, you are just so stupid, you don't actually know what you are doing (ever), you can't actually be accountable for your own behavior, you are incapable of not treating people like sh*t, you are just some oblivious person existing in the world ... As if you are 10 years old. Then, get mad that they treat you like a little kid, call you stupid, want absolutely nothing to do with you, find no value in joining conversations, and people not liking you for who you are. You are 24 years old Lav... Not 10. Grow the eff up already. I know this is probably mind-blowing for you... But many of us have survived 100x worse than the life stories that you think are "just so crazy". Yet, miraculously, we are somehow entirely capable of taking responsibility, being accountable for our actions/behaviors/choices, don't incessantly use it as some outrageously nonsensical excuse for every little thing we do, can handle conversations, never needed to play the 'young and dumb' excuse for being a sh*t person, and were magically capable of making the choice to work through our issues. The things you do, isn't a result of being 'young and dumb', having a hard life, or learning... It's just being a bad person. This is ridiculous.
No you see she's an empath and we're not. The crying/tantrums/baby voices are totally not to infantalize her mental state to garner sympathy of a "young distraught girl" or manipulate onlookers she's just highly empathic. :)
If I went through the world like Lav, I could just be like “sorry officer, I know I was selling drugs, but I’m just young and dumb! You can’t blame me for selling drugs, I didn’t know I would get arrested for it. Maybe I made some mistakes here and there, but I’m a good person. If you take me to jail, my girlfriend is going to be super affected, so please please please just uncuff me and let me gooooo sir.” *cue me getting a knee on my kneck*
love needs to be banned from the kitchen because she's the only chef who keeps saying she can handle the heat and keeps burning herself and then complaining about other people letting a burn herself
@@luciddreamer616 no I'm playing on the saying "if you can't handle the heat get out the kitchen" nothing to do with her being a woman if a guy was doing the same thing I'd say the same just like max is doing.
@@sonnyhutchins3141 I think the joke was that whenever she complains about other people letting her burn herself, she does so by calling them a mysognist. Don't think it was aimed at you - it's a good analogy
Honestly I have low resistance to ultimates and even I had 0 sympathy for her. She should be crying about the shit she's done not about getting called out for that shit.
27:29 it seems patently obvious what the issue is: you can’t simultaneously continue to make allegations about someone then complain about the blowback. Sometimes she was doing it in a single sentence. “I wish you guys would just back off and give me space to grow, I’m severely mentally disabled. Btw Stephen is a monster. What?!? Why is everybody mad? I said I was just figuring this all out!”
She did it super egregiously in other streams. Sentences along the lines of "I wasn't making accusations, I was frazzled, I'm just saying that he tries to have sex with every woman he interacts with *gets instant backlash* WHAT IM NOT MAKING ACCUSATIONS" It's like she thinks an accusation is only when you directly state "I am accusing you of X thing". I guess in her mind if she says he does something, that's not an accusation, because she never said she is accusing him of doing it, she just said he does it.
Gotta love that lav literally said she refuses to change, doesn't believe she needs to, but also freaks out whenever anyone says anything she does is wrong in any way, or the real kicker is when she tells everyone else that isn't her that they need to change. Also, how are you gonna sit here and say you have all these issues that make everything online so much worse for you and then BE THE MOST AGGRO, HARD STANCE TAKING VOICE whenever you talk to anyone, only to either moments, minutes, hours or days later completely flip and say you just "didn't get it teehee". Literally the only thing I've liked from the recent videos that has anything to do with Lav has been seeing Destiny being flirty cause I think it's funny/cute. On Mr "will never betray you", I'm glad he got ousted, the dude has always had this creepy manipulatory vibe the entire time he was around and I'll be glad not to have to hear him make shit deadpan shock jokes that fall as flat as the silence he gets from Steven when he said them.
People like this think that if they feel uncomfortable in a community, then the community is wrong and not wrong for THEM. They find pp who feel the same way and they try to manipulate everything for themselve.
Everybody is trying to tell lav that she isn't cut out for this and then she just goes and lists a bunch of reasons why she can't handle it. Yes, lav, you can't distinguish reality from fiction and you aren't capable of having these conversations, so leave
Lav: goes after destiny's career, tries to get him canceled and take his money away Also lav: "duuuude why are you talking about my husband? What about his job?" Ffs don't play games with people's lives because this is the kind of reaction you can expect.
@@mikecurry6847 I mean FWIW everyone else is directly involved in this shitshow while Lav's fiance just has the misfortune of being involved in with Lav.
@@Segphalt yeah that's true but at the same time she's playing games with other people's lives so she probably shouldn't expect people to play fair with her either. I'm not saying it's right and I would never try to bring her husband into this. But she can't make a decision to attempt to ruin someone's life and then act like theirs is off limits
Through all of this I have gotten such a higher appreciation for Aba and NotSoErudite. I mean I already thought the Protector of UA-cam-chat and Climbing-pro-extraordinaire are among the best people Destiny has had on stream but whatever... They both clearly had problems with Mr Girl and to a lesser degree with Lav. Aba has said this straight out. I don't know if Erudite has said it but you can clearly see it if you go back to the first couple of streams where she and Max debated, and the fact that she hasn't been on very much when Mr Girl has. They both behaved sooo mature through all of this. They didn't get on stream spewing hate towards these people. They said that they disapprove of them, to their face, said what they think they should do better on and then left the situation. They then tried to avoid these people, doing their own shit instead of getting bogged down with people they don't like. This is the normal, healthy way of handling it and it is crazy that it is so rarely seen in the streaming world.
Streaming in general tends to appeal to those who aren't too socially apt. Let's be fair there. Aba and to a lesser extent Destiny are exceptions to that rule. If you've ever met a streamer IRL, they tend to be kinda odd people. I could be wrong because that's my personal experience.
Also, we have to accept that Destiny helped both max and lav get to this place by effectively sanitizing the stupidity/problematic nature of their presences in the community because he found them interesting.
@@ahsoka6807 giving them a 1 off interview is giving them platform. destiny goes out of his way to accomodate these crazies which is way beyond than just "giving them a platform"
@@ahsoka6807 lol he did a lot more with lav than one interview and ran constant defense for these two as aba, Brittany, and eurdite were like “stop.” I mean the women like lav for some reason even tho lav and max might as well be the same person
Aba is so correct in his assessment and Destiny just won't see it until it's worn him down enough. Maybe when he's 35 he'll finally stop letting these losers run rampant over him and his community.
You need to stop psycho analyzing Destiny, and take his words at face value. It's clear that Destiny was basically in control most of the time, and knew that Max probably was gonna betray him, and was just trying to stop it, or delay it from happening, but was still surprised at the when and why he did it, even despite all the good faith extended to Max. You can see that from the amount of times where they talked about trusting Max more, and how Max would never betray Destiny. Couple it with the fact we all, Destiny included, knew the manipulative behavior Max was engaging in, and the picture being painted is pretty clear, that Destiny took a personal gamble, that he knew was at risk of imploding, but his personal morals of platforming people on the edge made him keep defending them and double down on steel manning their arguments. Thinking that Destiny is somehow deeply hurt because Max betrayed him, and decided to commit career suicide over a delusion of his, is not a fair assessment, because we have no idea how Destiny behaves behind closed doors, and what he's showed the audience, is that he's pretty well mentally fortified and has gone through much worse traumas in his life, that quite literally dwarf whatever damage this betrayal might do to his mental well being. Destiny is only able to continue like this because of that fortification. Put any average guy in his shoes, and they probably would've been close to suicide with the amount of undeserved hate, and personal betrayal he's experienced.
Although I don't entirely disagree with Aba, Destiny does need to readjust the filters he uses to make friends, if people like Max and Lav make it through. That doesn't mean he can't engage with people like Max or Lav on a professional basis.
Lav when defending herself: I don't know how this works... give me a pass. Lav when attacking everybody else: This is the internet, get a grip loser. This is why you don't let children sit at the adult table.
its sooo much drama and petty bs. I'm glad to have a regular job. if I was chronically online streamer I would be anonymous not show my face and have a voice changer 🤣
Mr. Gurl turned out to be right when he said he'd "destroy his career for his values". What we didn't realize is how looney, flimsy & vindictive his values were & the erratic lengths he'd take to perpetuate a false reality in an attempt to give them credence.
i mean it was obvious from the start. People like destiny just wants to be (self admittedly) friends with the crazies and wants to think max has some deeper values except that he is as shallow as he seemed.
Lav reminds me of my mother in law. Absolute inability to self reflect and a willingness to abandon moral positions when they don't fit her internal narrative of herself.
Lav plays the victim and then switches to the most aggressive attack I've seen for something so ridiculous as calling someone a loser. Lav can't take the criticism given to her for falsely accusing Steven of being a pseudo-rapist. Lav then goes crazy aggressive because someone called her friend a loser? The gap here is IMMENSE. Calling someone a pseudo-rapist vs calling someone a loser.
someone probably called her a loser before and she got triggered back into the moment like it was happening in real time. so she freaked out about that. never been called a rapist so she had no emotional attachment to it
My biggest issue with her is whenever she is confronted with an a problem someone has with her she instantly deflects to " I'm mentally ill you have to treat as a child and I WONT CHANGE" That shit infuriates me
11:26 as someone who can be impulsive and might have adhd (didnt go to a psychologist but my therapist let me check the dsm5 and i basically fit a lot of the adhd symptoms) i hate when people use “mental” issues to excuse their behavior. unless its issues that extremely impairs you mentally and even physically, stop using stuff like adhd as an excuse to stop you from behaving properly. their are tons of people that have these things and live life just as well as regular people
I know a lot of psychology is considered bunk but patterns are important. The patterns that people display shouldn't just be ignored. A person who reports that most of their relationships in life have involved them being a victim is someone to avoid. You have a high chance of joining the chain of people they use as an excuse for the ongoing chaos of their life. Also, people who respond to criticism the way that Lav does are energy draining. Manage your empathy resources or you will bd left a husk.
This is all a cope for Lav. She genuinely can’t understand why so many people don’t like her so instead of taking accountability and fixing what’s making her so hated. She’s willing to listen and side with anyone who says it’s not her fault. It’s just sad how max is using her.
Tbh the adult thing for everyone would be to ignore Lav. If her judgement is that off and she proved she wasn't equipped for these convos over and over, what's the point of confronting her on a large panel and watch her incoherently try to weasel out of defense. Except content of course. More importantly, she shouldn't be a protagonist in any of this. She isn't an evil mastermind. More like easily persuaded and used for their own agenda by Mrgirl et al.
I agreed with that until I saw the SIC Video on her. Some of it isn't super relevant, but the part where she bullies a guy for weeks nearly into suicide and then calls the FBI on his friend defending him seems super fucked. Also the past dubious allegations against other People paint her in a more vindictive light to me.
@@lazyvault39 for the love of god, direct me to a video with sources on this. I despised her, before I knee she was actually just a piece of shit on top of being a manipulative bitch, that literally couldn't take actual responsibility if she literally killed someone. And btw, for the record, bitch is meant as a very specific type of woman, the same way douche is used. Don't think it's misogynist, just because it only targets women, because you can easily call dudes a bitch and the meaning will translate perfectly, because it's the same type of person. Whereas I've rare, if ever, seen women that act like a douchebag.
@@mcnoodles3010 it’s really hard to find even if you know the title. It’s got all the receipts. My nonexistent respect for her is now in the negative after watching it
People couldn't just ignore lav because destiny kept letting her on and these people aren't mr girl they aren't going to say "destiny don't let lav on" people did bring up there problems with her being on in an attempt to get destiny to do something with his platform but lav always jumped in to try to run defense for herself (probably because deep down she knew she was doing some shifty stuff). Aba talks about this but destiny is a liberal through and through. He sees misogyny which was a problem but he only wants women to try to speak on the issue
Someone REALLY needs to check Lav when she goes into victim mode. She can only play the “young and vulnerable” card so many times. It’s so tiring, people need to stop catering to her emotions and just be real.
17:14 This massive wus just fed her tons of ammunition to stay in victim mode. They were literally just talking about how it wasn't going anywhere and backing off of her before this Rtard jumped in with his supercuckboy energy
She's like 5 years older than me and I'm eye rolling the entire time. It's embarrassing behaving like that for sympathy. Should be ironed out of everyone from an early age. But people just accept it. I think in this case it's better to let her unfold naturally because it's self-evident how insane she is when she performs like this. Ignoring narcissists is the best tactic. Although this panel was trying to get their points across in limited time.
This is Defenstiny trying to defend his poor choices by putting his walls back up. Aba and Erudite are 2 people who truly actually like and care about him. Hope he can see the difference between them and Max and Lav.
Abs and Destiny are people pleasers. A good thing to consider when comparing Destiny and Mr Girl is that Mr Girl doesn't let his girlfriend sleep with other men.
Watch SIC's video, seriously. The receipts make her look soooo much worse when she says "ooh I go online and say my silly things, and none of it's real". Edit: for example, 20:40, Lav gasps in shock at Erudite calling this other guy a loser. If you know ANYTHING about Lav's history online, you know this gasp of shock is pure, weapons-grade performance art.
Nah I don't think it is performance art, I think she genuinely can have so little self awareness that she thinks it is always justified when she does it, or others do it in her favor
Lav has actual issues that deserve help for sure, but when she takes so many actions that directly harm people just to immediately say "but I'm a baby who should be treated differently" it actually makes me want to delete my UA-cam app
There's one good thing out of all of this, at least: once you've had a malignant narcissist drop the mask and turn on you, it's _a lot_ easier to spot them coming in the future, and to be more confident in that assessment. A lot of people who've never interacted with one just can't fathom it, because it all seems so contradictory -- both their behavior vs. what they want, as well as the kind of person they'd have to be vs. the person you know them to be -- as to not even be possible. (Unfortunately, most of them aren't putting who they _really_ are out there quite so boldly, but it's still a good lesson.)
As our cult leader once said, There’s a lot of people with big followings that have no social skills or social lives. Also 700k on TikTok isn’t that impressive. Imagine the following she could have if she had somewhat of a decent personality.
@@quevee3027 You don't get invited to huge social parties, have sexual relations with big internet personalities, and marry a man who is the CMO of a semi big company while being "Severely underdeveloped". She clearly uses that as an excuse.
Unironically and without malice, I didn't know that Lav was a cultist until recently, and it all makes way more sense that she would fall for MrGirl's intense emotional manipulation.
@@trashee973 idk she just said it in passing in this first half of the video. While it is interesting it was used as a coo out to not deal with backlash and to emotionally navigate a minefield she set for herself
Dooby's message: "I know the feeling. It happens sometimes on my server. I get evidence someone is actively doing something awful to a user, but I can't do anything about it directly because it would put the victim at risk. So I end up needing to fabricate entirely new narratives, complete with staged interactions, to get to the end result where I get to permanently ban them." Is directly targeted at mr girl and he doesnt even realise it
The operative word is “try”. Trying to change the world is easy because it assumes you have things figured out and it’s on everyone else to make a change. Changing yourself is difficult b/c you only have yourself to blame for the failure.
*The same way Aba told Destiny to avoid these weirdos, Aba should probably do the same and disassociate with Destiny and his streamer friends. These people seem to be radioactive and I've noticed Aba is acting more and more like Destiny's weird streaming buddies.*
Why does every YT streamer moonlight as a psychologist? 1) None of these people are friends, just communities and orbiters of one another. 2) When they’re all profiting, there is peace. 3) When profits decline, drama on each other draws the cash. 4) Lav’s self-deprecation is a means to disarm counter-aggression and her affect is entirely superficial. 5) Ana lies. She is not TF-CBT certified. In PA you have to graduate your master’s program and then pass the PALB exam. She’s done neither. She is Misrepresenting herself. 5) none of you know what gas lighting actually is. 6) Just acknowledge in private that you’re all sociopaths and equally parasitic to each other and the audience.
Lav has helped me realize since my trauma is far worse than her I should be a lot more things that are reprehensible since I can get away with it. Thank You Lav I'm going to do some things that I will just turn on the tears and say "I'm still learning".
I absolutely love all this drama and the broader community it takes place in. It’s like a dysfunctional zoo for all the sons and daughters of the middle/upper middle classes. Turns out having disposable income and time is kind of like drinking water from lead pipes.
TRUE only with this much privilege do you get away with not developing at all not that having it worse in life automatically makes you better, but man does it incentivise sorting your shit out
lav has stated that she doesnt want to be held accountable and that she doesnt want to change if someone tells you to treat them like a toddler, you just start doing it ignore everything she says, tell her you know better and that there is no point in debating, thats all you can do
I got so triggered when that dude came on to be the white knight. Someone comes on pretty hot goin after erudite and backing lav and all the sudden lav is screaming and lecturing erudite. She was saying she was wrong almost the entire time but then she sees a way to flip the convo away from her and starts saying how dare you be kinda mean to this poor guy erudite. All im trying to do is ruin destinys life by exploiting other peoples trauma and u have the audacity to be a little mean? guess we all have lav derangement syndrome Also...how the fuck did this panel end with lav lecturing the whole panel on what they're doing wrong?
Lav: "Well Ana said it was definitely a weird situation so he's basically a rapist" "Actually Ana is saying it wasn't like that" Also Lav: "Well yeah but she's fucking crazy I wouldn't believe anything SHE says"
I find it funny that Lav was able to recognize that she was lying and manipulating and using her sexual history with destiny to create a false narrative. But doesn't recognize the fact that Max is allowing her to do this at the detriment of her own career, because he does not care about her, and is willing to let her burn if he can get ahold of destiny the way that he wants to. It's also funny, that Max is pretending that this campaign he is on is protect women from destiny's lying in manipulative ways, while allowing this woman to lie and manipulate
Mann all I know is this girl gets excuse after excuse after excuse. At what point is this girl gonna just be pegged for what she is. A devious and toxic woman? Aba said everything that needed to have been said. Dudes a grown man. He either listens or he doesn't. I will say that a friend like Aba is rare as hell.
I remember when being autistic was VERY RARE now "magically" EVERYONE is somewhere on the spectrum. Either it's become a trend or we as a society should figure out what is causing this environment, food, genectics?? Instead of using it as an excuse for poor behavior.....
@@ericapaquette9624 This isn't really a mystery, every diagnosis is becoming increasingly common because diagnostic procedures are constantly improving as time goes on. Autism is actually a terrible example of this because it's still underdiagnosed to this day especially in women.
Kinda click bait, I was here for Aba's take, he didn't show up until about 01:30 and stayed for about 10 minutes. To put he's name in the title is the definition of click bait.
MrGirl: "let me explain to you why im not manipulating girls" MrGirl: "Destiny could theoretically attack us so im gonna coerce you into giving me dm screenshots" What a real hero
Lav going back and forth between trying to seem like the innocent "doesn't know any better" girl and the aggressive positions really shows alot about her character. It seems very fluid trying to appeal to the reactionary demographic, submissive girl who doesn't know any better and then the girl boss who doesn't take shit.
W's for Dooby!! edit: Also, this brings to light Mr.K on how Mr.Girl tried to get victims as well. There probably was never any people in his camp in the first place and the guy he had that tried to help him before he bailed was probably on a separate page than Mr.Girl and when he found out what Mr.Girl REALLY wanted to do, he jumped ship and warned the family to blacklist him. The kicker? Mr.Girl uses the bail out to his advantage saying, it's there, but if they don't agree to talk, then we can't pursue. Giving the audience the perception that Steven IS a Weinstein or Dr.K did fuck up beyond our knowledge, when in truth, he has nothing. There was never anything for him in the first place. 1:09:50 He threw Lav in front of him as shield too. He's a bonafide piece of shit,
Damn, as a 34 year old normal adjusted person just discovering Destiny (from Lex podcast) and enjoying what he is doing to political discourse. I am instantly turned off from ever following you when I go to your page and the first 3 things are high school drama level interpersonal issues. I doubt you would ever care about a rando's opinion which you will never see as a comment on one of your videos. But if you use me as a proxy for likely a massive amount of possible new followers that will no longer follow you because this looks so unprofessional. Then I think this is absolutely to the detriment to your platform as your friend suggested. Not in terms of losing your followers but in terms of the opportunity cost of gaining new demographics. Maybe at the very least you could separate your serious content into a separate channel? Anway hope for the best. (Not that this will ever be seen.)
The guilty pleasure in our household is The Bachelor, and I always find myself fascinated with the layers of nuance, complexity, and the raw humanity that’s exposed through how people present themselves when they know they’re being watched. “Reality” becomes this tapestry of the lies they tell, the way they compose their aesthetic to maximize an impression, the way they choose to narrativize aspects of their life, and of course the cracks in that veneer that accidentally expose the vulnerability just behind the mask. This is, like, way better.
Yeah, this is just narcissists with way more unstable emotions, and a much closer relationship to the consequences of their actions. Although most of these people, Max and Lav, specifically, just choose to ignore it as either hate, misogyny or excuses as to why they don't have to change.
@@RS-fy9hb I know a few narcissists and the thing they hate most is not getting attention. In MrGirl's and Lavs case it's clear. Although they both cry about getting pushback and negative attention it is ultimately what they crave. For relevance or something. They're all supremely f*cked up mentally. Willing to trample their friendships for their own gain.
I love how Lav has 2 ults; crying for cc when majority is against her and one using her random off/on empath abilities to defend those who share common views or defend her
Her counseling has poisoned her brain. Should've never spoken in psychology terms with Lav, ever. It literally only serves perpetual victims to be able to use those terms as a shield, so they can hide behind it while making their surroundings as toxic as they want them to be.
Lav gets so mad at erudite for being mean to that nobody who came on hot, and then jumped on erudite and said to Minecraft yourself to that other girl. Then she said we shouldn’t dehumanize people. She was the only person to bring up her husband during the convo by asking people not to bring it up. Classic lav.
I lost it at "Why are you holding me to these standards" Because you just accused someone of being Harvey frickin Weinstein! You can't do that and fall back on "lol I dunno I've only been streaming for 3 months oopsie"
Its funny, because the standards they are holding her to is that she can be a good person soon. If they hold her to standard that she's currently at, she's a POS.
If Lav didn’t want to be called a liar about other things she said, then she shouldn’t have lied about anything. Most people consider someone who lies always a liar. And that is not unreasonable. Once someone lies about something serious, you cannot help but be skeptical about everything that person says moving forward, or even things they said in the past.
1:09:00 this is so unbelievably scummy I can’t believe it what I and everyone else liked about Mr. girl was how open and honest he was about everything but here is just absolute clear an unmitigated manipulation attempting to get Anna to change her story or manipulate her simply for the sake of getting a win over destiny that’s so fucked
I thought we were done with Lav. And of course when she gets real criticism, she turns on the waterworks and says everyone is making everything about her while simultaneously making everything about her.
Yes, that's her usual tactic: make herself the centre of a discussion in a stupid way and when people star criticising the stupidity she complains about people making it about her. Works every time.
11:32 this is your brain on radical feminism. No accountability or consequences for women and those they love but ultimate accountability and consequences for the *_slightest hint_* of a fault in everyone else. _Edit:_ _26:33__ and she keep going :VVV_
i'd argue the egg came first. people that don't want to take any responsibility find the feminist arguments and use them to deflect, not that the feminism makes people deflect.
@@handsomebear. It doesn't because she's not radically in favor of feminism, she's radically in favor of herself. As soon as she doesn't like someone or they say anything against her all that "feminism", goes out the window.
@@iz2333 dude stop coping lmao. This is how all feminism operates(and other ideologies for that matter), there is an overarching group and the rest create their smaller groups and they all attack everyone who doesn't agree with their particular faction. The only reason I said radical was because Lavs particular group is a step more batshit than the mainstream, but it's no that different :V
Destiny, Thank you very much for having all the crazy and deal honestly as you do . I learn so much from your interactions . i wish you never lose a battle with any of the Malevolent people on your path . Love ya bud
Lav makes serious insinuations with heavy consequences about other people, but she pretends not to a second later. Then, when she gets in trouble because of it, she plays the victim.
This is the reason that I try and tell people that taking arguments seriously that you like from people on social media can be dangerous because you don’t know anything else about them, who they are, or what their life experiences are.
Lav tries to push the blame off her at the beginning but as soon as Kyla gave her advice about taking a break and then she starts getting support from that weirdo smeth she did a 180 and went on the attack. She wants to be able to lie and help Max with his agenda but not be criticized for it.
I think Max is hardcore manipulating her but the switch and attack was genuinely concerning. It almost makes it seem like she actually doesn't feel sorry at all when she puts on her baby voice and breaks down.
@@inatani0 watch/Skip through SIC' Manifesto on her. She has been doing this in a way more disturbing way for a long time. Bullying People nearly into suicide, then acting like she was the victim. Along with some fishy SA allegations and calling the FBI on people out of spite.
Lav tone of voice grows to the same tone like when just like Ana's voice when she gets backed into a corner like " oh please don't hurt me, I'm thr victim here... why am I being attacked?"
NGL I have some reflecting to do. I was at destiny level charitability with Mr Girl and Lav. Meanwhile Aba and Dan over here with the minds-eye takes of instant repulsion and 100% right. I low key love being able to live vicariously though destiny in making bad interpersonal decisions and learning life lessons without the personal fallout. I would have made the same mistakes he did and probably reacted worse. It sucks to say but truth be told; this misadventure has made me reconsider the cynicism I thought I had grown out of as having merit. Turns out being wary of new people is not naive but a pretty damn wise move....
The constantly crying and refusing to even let people make their points about her is a tactic , “if I can pivot the situation to sop talking about me” or “if I cry and scream hard enough they will leave me alone” this is a huge manipulation tactic and I hope you understand this person doesn’t need as much babying as you’ve given them for this long. *” I’m severely underdeveloped socially!” “Stop making this about me!”* these are clear signs I hope you catch them next time.
Destiny Addresses Lav's Allegations And Exposes MrGirl ►ua-cam.com/video/GNLNmDQOdYE/v-deo.html
M E R C H
Show the other ppl in the panel. We need to see them
I'm 39 minutes in and smith orw/e is saying you shouldn't fk people but i'm sitting here thinking we make a rule you have to fuck everyone who comes on stream so there's no power dynamic
when you have nothing else then drama to bring to the internet hard pass
A bunch of women defending Destiny whilst your doxxer friends are being called out on sub reddits. This is festering Steven and people will use this against you the day these women will turn on you. I can't defend you remember what MamaMax did just be careful.
Lav - tries to claim a huge streamer is an abusive SAr with almost 0 evidence, talks out of her ass about everyone, always insults people she talks to, and then screams about how people are making things about her? She is the definition of the bike meme where the person puts a stick in their own wheel and falls over blaming someone else
“Why would DGG do this?”
but remember no misogny as Lav is a smart woman
Don't forget the part where she screams at someone when they counter-attack some random weirdo
SAr is my favorite gun in rust
@@Hemlocker Kyla could’ve been more chill but I get her frustration. Lav on the other hand was unhinged
First 30 mins, her entire defence is "I'm stupid, stop pretending that I'm anything but stupid", yet she still asks them to take her seriously in every other circumstance.
Rare based Lav take
2nd pillar of lavism
Lav is just being a misogynist
“Noooo see but like, both things can be true at once”
@@VerdeDrums literally exactly what she would say.
“Take what i say seriously! Unless I realize what i said was bad, then don’t take it seriously!”
I’m literally the same age as her, 24, and i don’t understand how she has such a child like mentality and doesn’t think about the consequences to her actions before she takes them.
She says she had an “emotionally abusive and upbringing and was neglected”, but maybe she was just a shitty person even when she was young and that’s why no one liked her. & The people that did give her some attention was because she was pretty, which isn’t me being misogynistic, pretty privilege is a thing that even women say is real.
I promise you there’s plenty of people that have wayyyy WORSE childhoods than she had, and aren’t as shitty of people, and also don’t use their childhood to excuse all their bad actions. Steven is right, her therapist fucking melted her brain with all these psych terms.
Remember the "baby voice" that redacted used to do? Lav does that. As soon as she's on the back foot, she adopts this tone like "oh don't attack me, Im just a sweet girl."
Its textbook manipulation. Stay away from anyone that does it, and DO NOT FUCK THEM
Yeah, she uses that a lot, and the "crying voice". She knows what she is doing from the get go.
the white knight is entertaining af
This is a _pretty_ common thing with w0m3n though, even offline. It’s like the “you can dish it but you can’t take it” kinda thing. And it works, to an extent, most of the time. Which is why they keep doing it. [keep reading below]
On the other hand, M3n, when backed into a corner on arguments, tend to get more aggressive and yell and it causes people to recoil and back up a bit. Very similar strategies/results but from opposite tactics. Pretty interesting imo.
Bro I legit thought she was back on the channel a while back during a livestream. I was listening to it while working in my garage semi zoned out and thought it was *redacted* for like a minute lol Lav sounded just like her
My problem with people like Lav is they ask for infinite understanding for all of their bad behavior, trying to contextualize everything so they are beyond reproach, but give literally 0 understanding or patience to people who get upset by their actions.
It's like me punching you in the face and crying my hand hurts, but when you say you're mad I hit you, I freak out and say you have no right because my hand hurts
The fundamental attribution bias is strong my friend
Perfect analogy fr
she is literally rotting my brain. it is soup.
The narc cries out as they strike you
She literally is crying about how hard it is, then refuses to take a break from it for a few days like bruh
Lav: "Maybe we shouldn't dehumanize each other"
Lav literally minutes before: "Maybe you should (delete yourself)"
Literally a garbage being.
Lav: * shouts for 5 minutes because someone called her white knight a weirdo in response to him saying dumb shit *
Lav: * insults every woman who disagrees with her *
Honestly no idea why anyone would put up with such a b*tch probably kept around to make everyone else look good by comparison
In minecraft
And then the fake crying, I’m the victim voice, genuinely hope she deletes herself. Evil to her core.
She is clearly an attention seeking child who only goes online to get validation only. If anyone says anything that so much as mentions her she loses her shit. Should probably stay offline and smell grass.
Aba is the kind of friend we all need
Until he isn't
Im not gay but I love aba
@@toreb61 its ok
Magical and mystical you mean?
Aba is a big content creator and don't need destiny for anything.
It's weird how Lav keeps fluctuating between breaking down crying over herself and putting down other women. She's so insufferable wtf.
She’s got a great body though.
It's ok, she's mentally ill remember
She just throwing her shit manipulator tactics against the wall hoping some will stick.
Called manipulative.
Laughing and joking one moment, ugly crying the next moment, screaming insults the moment after that
The best way to demonstrate the problem with Destiny’s prior defense of Lav as “just a young person figuring herself out” is to have her publicly accuse him of rape and make the same excuse.
Bruh, she's 24. She's a grown ass adult.
@@ezziesmash 100%.
there is no way a 24 year old should not be considered a fully grown adult.
@@ezziesmash bruh a 16 year old acts better then her. Shes literally a child. And destiny as much as I like him but he gave her way to many excuses.
@@cngotham4111 BASE
@Bee R true but destiny's problem is that he thinks that letting people just air out their confusion with little consequences is the way to get growth but some people need to be thrown to the cold cold world beaten down by it and either trek through it all or covered and silenced by it.
Max is the epitome of, “I’m an empath, I can tell exactly how someone is feeling by deciding how they feel in my mind and instantly believing it”
And you probably shouldn’t be friends with people like that
Yea
The guy who made that meme is also an insane narcissist and stole this joke from me just changed a couple words around. Was crying in my inbox today about being a misunderstood genius. What a coincidence
@@Bighugegeniouse made what meme?
@@Bighugegeniouseif it makes you feel any better the joke wasn’t that creative
I find it hilarious how Lav is able to talk so much trash about someone and then literally cry whenever challenged on it
That's the Victim complex. It's just a Shield
Weak character moment
She also talks trash while crying
Lav seems to always simultaneously want 2 contradictory things.
She wants to be taken seriously but also wants kid gloves.
She wants to constantly thrust herself into drama but doesnt want the drama to involve her
She wants to be able to call people names for hours straight but doesnt want people to insult her.
She's always all over the place, picking and choosing what seems optically best for her in the moment but she has no ability to look 2 steps forward or backward. It makes it hard for anyone to engage with her because she jumps from one stance to the other.
Lav: It's not my fault, I don't know what to do!
Lycan: Here is what you could do...
Lav: No not that! Why are you holding me to these standards?
She also wants to be able to be openly racist but doesn't want people calling her out for it.
Not something you easily forget.
Put simply she wants to be treated with benevolent sexism. She has clearly been coddled and likes it that's why she seeked out destiny and felt so hurt when destiny finally started to be forced to push back. That's my problem with destiny during this antimisogynistic arc and it's the same thing aba talked about. You can't just give people the ability to be heard and act crazy because of their group.
She should do like trump and just say it "I want credit when I do something good but no blame when I do something bad"
That's common with people who have BPD and NPD and don't actually take therapy seriously lol
I still don’t get how he says Lav is intelligent. Yes compared to the girls on fresh and fit she’s probably smarter than most of them. But compared to the people in destiny’s orbit she’s probably the dumbest person. I’d argue Sneako is more consistent and intelligent than her lol.
I would agree
To me.shes just a female Sneako.
Aba, as usual, is 100% right.
Waba
Aba is easily the most based
just don't ask him about voting and jews
@@2Hobos69 so true
Average Aba W
The levels of anger and rage I feel when Lav cries for attention and sympathy is unparalleled.
I just start laughing
Gotta love it when she does the lav voice😂
Don't get bodied by her ult bro
shes so sneaky
Yeah that is true hearing her cry abuse makes me want to laugh.
Anavoir and Pixi redeeming themselves by comming back to fight the streams new villains while being very measured is exactly the kind of character development we need on this stream
When the first boss joins ur party in the final battle
@@KINOSWAGMONEY Bonkers and Bugzzy as helpers
bowsers inside story type
What did ana do I missed it
J
I'm genuinely so friggin tired of the blatant manipulation, lying, projection, actual misogyny, self victimization, deflection, and vindictive behavior that Lav does. Along with the fake crying and 'lost and innocent little girl' voice she uses to manipulate people into feeling like she's some innocent little child who is getting attacked... Nearly every instance that she gets the tiniest pushback. Including immediately after going on the attack, treating people like absolute sh*t, making accusations, etc. That fake crying/distressed manipulation tactic isn't effective when we are continuously seeing/hearing you go back to your normal baseline once people start coddling you or you get your way.
In reality, people can see right through her BS and that she moves around with intentionality, more often than not. These are rarely ever just innocent, oblivious, and unintentional "mistakes". Every wrong thing she does, turns into her claiming she's just young and dumb - so you can't possibly blame her. Of course, it's while she is simultaneously screaming and crying that you can't think she's stupid. She is constantly on the attack of every other woman she interacts with (except if she thinks she'll gain points and can center herself in the conversation by forcing herself into discussions that is so out of from her reach). Then somehow manages to scream misogyny over the slightest, most gentle, valid criticism. She constantly does and says terrible things, then cries victim and portrays herself as a 10 year old incapable of ever understanding right from wrong.
Imagine continuously telling people that they need to "meet me where I'm at because you are ruining my life", demanding people to just let you "do my thing" no matter what - without the slightest consequence, you are just so stupid, you don't actually know what you are doing (ever), you can't actually be accountable for your own behavior, you are incapable of not treating people like sh*t, you are just some oblivious person existing in the world ... As if you are 10 years old. Then, get mad that they treat you like a little kid, call you stupid, want absolutely nothing to do with you, find no value in joining conversations, and people not liking you for who you are.
You are 24 years old Lav... Not 10. Grow the eff up already. I know this is probably mind-blowing for you... But many of us have survived 100x worse than the life stories that you think are "just so crazy". Yet, miraculously, we are somehow entirely capable of taking responsibility, being accountable for our actions/behaviors/choices, don't incessantly use it as some outrageously nonsensical excuse for every little thing we do, can handle conversations, never needed to play the 'young and dumb' excuse for being a sh*t person, and were magically capable of making the choice to work through our issues. The things you do, isn't a result of being 'young and dumb', having a hard life, or learning... It's just being a bad person.
This is ridiculous.
😮 do you want to talk about it ?
Wow a whole novel 🍿🥤
No you see she's an empath and we're not. The crying/tantrums/baby voices are totally not to infantalize her mental state to garner sympathy of a "young distraught girl" or manipulate onlookers she's just highly empathic. :)
Read it all, and yea she's going nowhere fast if she won't self reflect.
If I went through the world like Lav, I could just be like “sorry officer, I know I was selling drugs, but I’m just young and dumb! You can’t blame me for selling drugs, I didn’t know I would get arrested for it. Maybe I made some mistakes here and there, but I’m a good person. If you take me to jail, my girlfriend is going to be super affected, so please please please just uncuff me and let me gooooo sir.”
*cue me getting a knee on my kneck*
love needs to be banned from the kitchen because she's the only chef who keeps saying she can handle the heat and keeps burning herself and then complaining about other people letting a burn herself
Wow. I had no idea the kitchen was such a misogynist.
Bro she brought a flamethrower
@@luciddreamer616 no I'm playing on the saying "if you can't handle the heat get out the kitchen" nothing to do with her being a woman if a guy was doing the same thing I'd say the same just like max is doing.
No! We need love in the kitchen. You can't make delicious meals without love =(
@@sonnyhutchins3141 I think the joke was that whenever she complains about other people letting her burn herself, she does so by calling them a mysognist. Don't think it was aimed at you - it's a good analogy
Shouts out to Erudite for being unphased by Lav's Ult.
intelligent wahmen for the win.
Honestly I have low resistance to ultimates and even I had 0 sympathy for her. She should be crying about the shit she's done not about getting called out for that shit.
lmfao
@@iz2333 that is called maturing.
She'd make a great public defender
Aba nailed it: don't LISTEN to what they say, WATCH what they do.
Smart guy
27:29 it seems patently obvious what the issue is: you can’t simultaneously continue to make allegations about someone then complain about the blowback. Sometimes she was doing it in a single sentence. “I wish you guys would just back off and give me space to grow, I’m severely mentally disabled. Btw Stephen is a monster. What?!? Why is everybody mad? I said I was just figuring this all out!”
She did it super egregiously in other streams. Sentences along the lines of "I wasn't making accusations, I was frazzled, I'm just saying that he tries to have sex with every woman he interacts with *gets instant backlash* WHAT IM NOT MAKING ACCUSATIONS"
It's like she thinks an accusation is only when you directly state "I am accusing you of X thing". I guess in her mind if she says he does something, that's not an accusation, because she never said she is accusing him of doing it, she just said he does it.
Gotta love that lav literally said she refuses to change, doesn't believe she needs to, but also freaks out whenever anyone says anything she does is wrong in any way, or the real kicker is when she tells everyone else that isn't her that they need to change.
Also, how are you gonna sit here and say you have all these issues that make everything online so much worse for you and then BE THE MOST AGGRO, HARD STANCE TAKING VOICE whenever you talk to anyone, only to either moments, minutes, hours or days later completely flip and say you just "didn't get it teehee".
Literally the only thing I've liked from the recent videos that has anything to do with Lav has been seeing Destiny being flirty cause I think it's funny/cute.
On Mr "will never betray you", I'm glad he got ousted, the dude has always had this creepy manipulatory vibe the entire time he was around and I'll be glad not to have to hear him make shit deadpan shock jokes that fall as flat as the silence he gets from Steven when he said them.
People like this think that if they feel uncomfortable in a community, then the community is wrong and not wrong for THEM. They find pp who feel the same way and they try to manipulate everything for themselve.
Idk about any of this, but you seem like a misogynist, so your critique is invalid.
@@charlesstephens6359 /common w
Everybody is trying to tell lav that she isn't cut out for this and then she just goes and lists a bunch of reasons why she can't handle it. Yes, lav, you can't distinguish reality from fiction and you aren't capable of having these conversations, so leave
b,b,b,but free money.....
Lav: goes after destiny's career, tries to get him canceled and take his money away
Also lav: "duuuude why are you talking about my husband? What about his job?"
Ffs don't play games with people's lives because this is the kind of reaction you can expect.
@@mikecurry6847 I mean FWIW everyone else is directly involved in this shitshow while Lav's fiance just has the misfortune of being involved in with Lav.
Sneako was pretty based when he said "I like how Lav aggressively plays the victim". This entire conversation is the prime example of that.
@@Segphalt yeah that's true but at the same time she's playing games with other people's lives so she probably shouldn't expect people to play fair with her either. I'm not saying it's right and I would never try to bring her husband into this. But she can't make a decision to attempt to ruin someone's life and then act like theirs is off limits
Through all of this I have gotten such a higher appreciation for Aba and NotSoErudite. I mean I already thought the Protector of UA-cam-chat and Climbing-pro-extraordinaire are among the best people Destiny has had on stream but whatever... They both clearly had problems with Mr Girl and to a lesser degree with Lav. Aba has said this straight out. I don't know if Erudite has said it but you can clearly see it if you go back to the first couple of streams where she and Max debated, and the fact that she hasn't been on very much when Mr Girl has.
They both behaved sooo mature through all of this. They didn't get on stream spewing hate towards these people. They said that they disapprove of them, to their face, said what they think they should do better on and then left the situation. They then tried to avoid these people, doing their own shit instead of getting bogged down with people they don't like. This is the normal, healthy way of handling it and it is crazy that it is so rarely seen in the streaming world.
When MrGirl hit the eject button Aba came on stream and kept on making jokes about having a eulogy and shit. That man’s hilarious.
Streaming in general tends to appeal to those who aren't too socially apt. Let's be fair there. Aba and to a lesser extent Destiny are exceptions to that rule. If you've ever met a streamer IRL, they tend to be kinda odd people. I could be wrong because that's my personal experience.
Agreed!
Faxxxx
Eru and Aba are god-tier friends of destiny at this point
Also, we have to accept that Destiny helped both max and lav get to this place by effectively sanitizing the stupidity/problematic nature of their presences in the community because he found them interesting.
TRUE!!! LOL
I think not enough people are talking about this
You're saying he's responsible partly because he gave them the platform in the first place right ?
@@ahsoka6807 giving them a 1 off interview is giving them platform. destiny goes out of his way to accomodate these crazies which is way beyond than just "giving them a platform"
@@ahsoka6807 lol he did a lot more with lav than one interview and ran constant defense for these two as aba, Brittany, and eurdite were like “stop.”
I mean the women like lav for some reason even tho lav and max might as well be the same person
Ana: I consent.
Destiny: I consent.
Max: I don't.
Aba is so correct in his assessment and Destiny just won't see it until it's worn him down enough. Maybe when he's 35 he'll finally stop letting these losers run rampant over him and his community.
@@firepitch5113 yeah people with an ego like that have to be humbled by their own actions
You need to stop psycho analyzing Destiny, and take his words at face value. It's clear that Destiny was basically in control most of the time, and knew that Max probably was gonna betray him, and was just trying to stop it, or delay it from happening, but was still surprised at the when and why he did it, even despite all the good faith extended to Max. You can see that from the amount of times where they talked about trusting Max more, and how Max would never betray Destiny. Couple it with the fact we all, Destiny included, knew the manipulative behavior Max was engaging in, and the picture being painted is pretty clear, that Destiny took a personal gamble, that he knew was at risk of imploding, but his personal morals of platforming people on the edge made him keep defending them and double down on steel manning their arguments. Thinking that Destiny is somehow deeply hurt because Max betrayed him, and decided to commit career suicide over a delusion of his, is not a fair assessment, because we have no idea how Destiny behaves behind closed doors, and what he's showed the audience, is that he's pretty well mentally fortified and has gone through much worse traumas in his life, that quite literally dwarf whatever damage this betrayal might do to his mental well being. Destiny is only able to continue like this because of that fortification. Put any average guy in his shoes, and they probably would've been close to suicide with the amount of undeserved hate, and personal betrayal he's experienced.
Although I don't entirely disagree with Aba, Destiny does need to readjust the filters he uses to make friends, if people like Max and Lav make it through. That doesn't mean he can't engage with people like Max or Lav on a professional basis.
@@RS-fy9hb Pure copium. Taking people at face value is how retards get taken in by conmen.
@@RS-fy9hb Holy shit, touch grass.
Lav: You all should behave differently.
Also Lav: You have to meet me where I am. You cannot expect me to change.
Cool, cool.
Not just "you can't expect me to change," but "I explicitly will not change"
Imagine what would happen if Lav enountered another Lav
@@inatani0 Baby voice: “It’s like that stupid spider man pointing meme!”
Why did destiny say blacks are homophobic and 20 years behind whites why did destiny say black content creators aren’t family friendly
@@sallywag8489 Was that a question? Was that supposed to be a real sentence??
Finally the juicy Aba victory lap
I still await Dan's return.
Aba back on top
@@Segphalt aba is waaay better than dan
@@toreb61 based and real
@@toreb61 imagine😂😂
Lav when defending herself: I don't know how this works... give me a pass. Lav when attacking everybody else: This is the internet, get a grip loser. This is why you don't let children sit at the adult table.
I hope she's in therapy
After watching this, I’ve never been happier to be a normie.
its sooo much drama and petty bs. I'm glad to have a regular job. if I was chronically online streamer I would be anonymous not show my face and have a voice changer 🤣
I don't understand how they can talk shit on stream about their friend and think that the friend isn't going to figure out they were talking shit😂
Mr. Gurl turned out to be right when he said he'd "destroy his career for his values". What we didn't realize is how looney, flimsy & vindictive his values were & the erratic lengths he'd take to perpetuate a false reality in an attempt to give them credence.
i mean it was obvious from the start. People like destiny just wants to be (self admittedly) friends with the crazies and wants to think max has some deeper values except that he is as shallow as he seemed.
Vaush figured him out in about an hour
Lav reminds me of my mother in law. Absolute inability to self reflect and a willingness to abandon moral positions when they don't fit her internal narrative of herself.
I love terminally online ppl. All these problems seem real fucking small and it makes me feel better about things going on in my life. Big ups
Don’t forget Lav is engaged and spends so much damn time talking about what destiny thinks of her.
@@Doncergio it's.. Real weird
Lav plays the victim and then switches to the most aggressive attack I've seen for something so ridiculous as calling someone a loser.
Lav can't take the criticism given to her for falsely accusing Steven of being a pseudo-rapist.
Lav then goes crazy aggressive because someone called her friend a loser?
The gap here is IMMENSE. Calling someone a pseudo-rapist vs calling someone a loser.
someone probably called her a loser before and she got triggered back into the moment like it was happening in real time. so she freaked out about that. never been called a rapist so she had no emotional attachment to it
"I am obviously severely mentally ill" is the quote of the year
Kayla didn't publicly embarass that loser guy. She just recounted the tale of him embarassing himself publicly.
Kyla*
@@DeciNate_ ok 😄
It feels like whenever Lav gets pushed on literally anything it's instantly deflect and dismiss
Consequences for her own actions and words don’t exist to her it’s ‘insert reason (excuses) for the thing I did’
Initiate baby voice protocol
And cries
It's DARVO
My biggest issue with her is whenever she is confronted with an a problem someone has with her she instantly deflects to " I'm mentally ill you have to treat as a child and I WONT CHANGE" That shit infuriates me
accountability is like poison for this woman
But she's seriously mentally ill, guys! Apparently that absolves her of any responsibility or accountability 24/7 for the rest of her life!
ya this one
@@joshsaunders6392 and alot of others. The question is what causes this level of narcissism.
@@defatgames2796 i buy into the idea that the powers that be promote narcissism because then people are easier to control
@@joshsaunders6392 That very secret group that definitely exists and somehow has The Plan without any disagreement amongst themselves.
11:26 as someone who can be impulsive and might have adhd (didnt go to a psychologist but my therapist let me check the dsm5 and i basically fit a lot of the adhd symptoms) i hate when people use “mental” issues to excuse their behavior. unless its issues that extremely impairs you mentally and even physically, stop using stuff like adhd as an excuse to stop you from behaving properly. their are tons of people that have these things and live life just as well as regular people
Spits in the face of people who strive to be more than what they are diagnosed as.
Even if it isn't possible to escape it completely.
I know a lot of psychology is considered bunk but patterns are important. The patterns that people display shouldn't just be ignored. A person who reports that most of their relationships in life have involved them being a victim is someone to avoid. You have a high chance of joining the chain of people they use as an excuse for the ongoing chaos of their life. Also, people who respond to criticism the way that Lav does are energy draining. Manage your empathy resources or you will bd left a husk.
Lav-makes everything about her.
Also lav- mad everything is made about her
Exactly how manipulators work. That degree of anger will decide whether or not she's good at it though.
This is all a cope for Lav. She genuinely can’t understand why so many people don’t like her so instead of taking accountability and fixing what’s making her so hated. She’s willing to listen and side with anyone who says it’s not her fault. It’s just sad how max is using her.
No it’s not sad. She’s 24 with the mind of a child
So true!!! Shes incapable of change and responsibility.
Everytine she does the wounded doe pity party voice I am filled with respect and genuine appreciation for this one particular woman.
Typical wahhmen
@@GKJusticar55 and im filled with that feeling of wanting to punch my screen 😂😂
Tbh the adult thing for everyone would be to ignore Lav. If her judgement is that off and she proved she wasn't equipped for these convos over and over, what's the point of confronting her on a large panel and watch her incoherently try to weasel out of defense. Except content of course.
More importantly, she shouldn't be a protagonist in any of this. She isn't an evil mastermind. More like easily persuaded and used for their own agenda by Mrgirl et al.
I agreed with that until I saw the SIC Video on her. Some of it isn't super relevant, but the part where she bullies a guy for weeks nearly into suicide and then calls the FBI on his friend defending him seems super fucked. Also the past dubious allegations against other People paint her in a more vindictive light to me.
@@lazyvault39 what???? Frfr like no bullshit??? When was this??
@@lazyvault39 for the love of god, direct me to a video with sources on this. I despised her, before I knee she was actually just a piece of shit on top of being a manipulative bitch, that literally couldn't take actual responsibility if she literally killed someone. And btw, for the record, bitch is meant as a very specific type of woman, the same way douche is used. Don't think it's misogynist, just because it only targets women, because you can easily call dudes a bitch and the meaning will translate perfectly, because it's the same type of person. Whereas I've rare, if ever, seen women that act like a douchebag.
@@mcnoodles3010 it’s really hard to find even if you know the title. It’s got all the receipts. My nonexistent respect for her is now in the negative after watching it
People couldn't just ignore lav because destiny kept letting her on and these people aren't mr girl they aren't going to say "destiny don't let lav on" people did bring up there problems with her being on in an attempt to get destiny to do something with his platform but lav always jumped in to try to run defense for herself (probably because deep down she knew she was doing some shifty stuff). Aba talks about this but destiny is a liberal through and through. He sees misogyny which was a problem but he only wants women to try to speak on the issue
Someone REALLY needs to check Lav when she goes into victim mode. She can only play the “young and vulnerable” card so many times. It’s so tiring, people need to stop catering to her emotions and just be real.
17:14 This massive wus just fed her tons of ammunition to stay in victim mode.
They were literally just talking about how it wasn't going anywhere and backing off of her before this Rtard jumped in with his supercuckboy energy
She's like 5 years older than me and I'm eye rolling the entire time. It's embarrassing behaving like that for sympathy. Should be ironed out of everyone from an early age. But people just accept it. I think in this case it's better to let her unfold naturally because it's self-evident how insane she is when she performs like this.
Ignoring narcissists is the best tactic. Although this panel was trying to get their points across in limited time.
Lav goes from crying and pleading to angry and going for the fucking eyes faster than I can blink
This is Defenstiny trying to defend his poor choices by putting his walls back up. Aba and Erudite are 2 people who truly actually like and care about him. Hope he can see the difference between them and Max and Lav.
Abs and Destiny are people pleasers. A good thing to consider when comparing Destiny and Mr Girl is that Mr Girl doesn't let his girlfriend sleep with other men.
@@Ethan265Stapley I didnt compare Destiny and Mr Girl ya weirdo.
@@zaktilzer5130 Well you didn't say you did but of course you must have.
Don’t assume that anyone in this space cares about anyone else. These are relationships of convenience that sometimes get personal.
@@Luster21 Most relationships are of convenience. Doesnt mean anything.
Aba is the epitome of the voice of reason.
Most based person in the room, always
Watch SIC's video, seriously. The receipts make her look soooo much worse when she says "ooh I go online and say my silly things, and none of it's real".
Edit: for example, 20:40, Lav gasps in shock at Erudite calling this other guy a loser. If you know ANYTHING about Lav's history online, you know this gasp of shock is pure, weapons-grade performance art.
Nah I don't think it is performance art, I think she genuinely can have so little self awareness that she thinks it is always justified when she does it, or others do it in her favor
She literally doubles down in calling someone retarded.
Lav has actual issues that deserve help for sure, but when she takes so many actions that directly harm people just to immediately say "but I'm a baby who should be treated differently" it actually makes me want to delete my UA-cam app
There's one good thing out of all of this, at least: once you've had a malignant narcissist drop the mask and turn on you, it's _a lot_ easier to spot them coming in the future, and to be more confident in that assessment. A lot of people who've never interacted with one just can't fathom it, because it all seems so contradictory -- both their behavior vs. what they want, as well as the kind of person they'd have to be vs. the person you know them to be -- as to not even be possible. (Unfortunately, most of them aren't putting who they _really_ are out there quite so boldly, but it's still a good lesson.)
MR "I WOULD NEVER BETRAY YOU" girl. everytime i remember this line i laugh my ass off
Same, what a manipulative, narsasistic scumbag.
can you imagine the psychological pain it would cause him to turn on Destiny?
That's funny because it makes me cry 🥺
Lmao TRUEEEE. He got all offended that Destiny wouldn’t give him private info bc there wasn’t that trust there.
Hey, he'll always be grateful to Steven for launching his career.
How can Lav and Max argue that they can use Ana's story then immediately turn and call her an unreliable narrator lmao
She has 700k TikTok but doesn't know how to be social? All she does is lie until she luckily gets people on her side. She plays victim for everything!
I wonder how mentally fucked her fiancé is
I mean being a attractive woman goes a long way in tiktok. Tiktok numbers are different from UA-cam numbers.
As our cult leader once said, There’s a lot of people with big followings that have no social skills or social lives. Also 700k on TikTok isn’t that impressive. Imagine the following she could have if she had somewhat of a decent personality.
700k TikTok is like 20k UA-cam.
@@quevee3027 You don't get invited to huge social parties, have sexual relations with big internet personalities, and marry a man who is the CMO of a semi big company while being "Severely underdeveloped". She clearly uses that as an excuse.
Unironically and without malice, I didn't know that Lav was a cultist until recently, and it all makes way more sense that she would fall for MrGirl's intense emotional manipulation.
Where do I find the lore on this
@@trashee973 idk she just said it in passing in this first half of the video. While it is interesting it was used as a coo out to not deal with backlash and to emotionally navigate a minefield she set for herself
Dooby's message:
"I know the feeling. It happens sometimes on my server. I get evidence someone is actively doing something awful to a user, but I can't do anything about it directly because it would put the victim at risk. So I end up needing to fabricate entirely new narratives, complete with staged interactions, to get to the end result where I get to permanently ban them."
Is directly targeted at mr girl and he doesnt even realise it
actual 5Head
Amazin psyop. Bro should work for the CIA or be a poet. Cause that was poetic irony
Why does Lav think that trying to change the world is easier than trying to change herself?
The operative word is “try”. Trying to change the world is easy because it assumes you have things figured out and it’s on everyone else to make a change. Changing yourself is difficult b/c you only have yourself to blame for the failure.
I unironically believe most progressives hold this perspective lol
That's the most pertinent point "trans" activists refuse to confront.
The amount of charity being extended to her is driving me up a wall.
Women shit
Indeed, it's actually made me despise her even more, because she's clearly not recognizing it as charitability anymore.
She puts on "I'm just a young pretty girl omg my feelings" card. And people simp.
@@nope5657 it's crazy how much people lie to a woman they just want to sleep with, she looks like a child to me and acts like one
We've been waiting for Aba to speak on this lol.
Trooo
Lmao true
*The same way Aba told Destiny to avoid these weirdos, Aba should probably do the same and disassociate with Destiny and his streamer friends. These people seem to be radioactive and I've noticed Aba is acting more and more like Destiny's weird streaming buddies.*
Aba been saying pause a lot more often these days. RUN ABA RUN
Why does every YT streamer moonlight as a psychologist?
1) None of these people are friends, just communities and orbiters of one another.
2) When they’re all profiting, there is peace.
3) When profits decline, drama on each other draws the cash.
4) Lav’s self-deprecation is a means to disarm counter-aggression and her affect is entirely superficial.
5) Ana lies. She is not TF-CBT certified. In PA you have to graduate your master’s program and then pass the PALB exam. She’s done neither. She is Misrepresenting herself.
5) none of you know what gas lighting actually is.
6) Just acknowledge in private that you’re all sociopaths and equally parasitic to each other and the audience.
Lav has helped me realize since my trauma is far worse than her I should be a lot more things that are reprehensible since I can get away with it. Thank You Lav I'm going to do some things that I will just turn on the tears and say "I'm still learning".
I absolutely love all this drama and the broader community it takes place in. It’s like a dysfunctional zoo for all the sons and daughters of the middle/upper middle classes. Turns out having disposable income and time is kind of like drinking water from lead pipes.
Lmao
Holy shit, that is exactly what's going on here! Beautifully said!
TRUE only with this much privilege do you get away with not developing at all
not that having it worse in life automatically makes you better, but man does it incentivise sorting your shit out
Lav's social presence in her mind:
Step 1: Be pretty
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Profit!
She failed the first step
The "Aba leaves Destiny because he's annoyed with the weirdo orbiters"-clocks just started ticking....
Aba is annoying, I hate how he is totally based, meaningfully engaged and an ideal friend. Stupid awesome person.
Aba: "Destiny, your becoming the Jerry Springer Show."
Destiny: "Ok."
Destiny: “just like I planned 😂”
Destiny: Based
lav has stated that she doesnt want to be held accountable and that she doesnt want to change
if someone tells you to treat them like a toddler, you just start doing it
ignore everything she says, tell her you know better and that there is no point in debating, thats all you can do
So much of this
I got so triggered when that dude came on to be the white knight. Someone comes on pretty hot goin after erudite and backing lav and all the sudden lav is screaming and lecturing erudite. She was saying she was wrong almost the entire time but then she sees a way to flip the convo away from her and starts saying how dare you be kinda mean to this poor guy erudite. All im trying to do is ruin destinys life by exploiting other peoples trauma and u have the audacity to be a little mean? guess we all have lav derangement syndrome
Also...how the fuck did this panel end with lav lecturing the whole panel on what they're doing wrong?
Lav: "Well Ana said it was definitely a weird situation so he's basically a rapist"
"Actually Ana is saying it wasn't like that"
Also Lav: "Well yeah but she's fucking crazy I wouldn't believe anything SHE says"
I find it funny that Lav was able to recognize that she was lying and manipulating and using her sexual history with destiny to create a false narrative. But doesn't recognize the fact that Max is allowing her to do this at the detriment of her own career, because he does not care about her, and is willing to let her burn if he can get ahold of destiny the way that he wants to. It's also funny, that Max is pretending that this campaign he is on is protect women from destiny's lying in manipulative ways, while allowing this woman to lie and manipulate
Mann all I know is this girl gets excuse after excuse after excuse. At what point is this girl gonna just be pegged for what she is. A devious and toxic woman?
Aba said everything that needed to have been said. Dudes a grown man. He either listens or he doesn't. I will say that a friend like Aba is rare as hell.
I’m so over people that use mental diagnosis or self diagnosis as a personality trait.
Or a way to escape responsibility & accountability. Mental conditions or disorder could be the reason but not the excuse.
It's incredibly draining. Those terms are for your therapist and your therapist only.
Some people shouldn't have a diagnosis...
I remember when being autistic was VERY RARE now "magically" EVERYONE is somewhere on the spectrum. Either it's become a trend or we as a society should figure out what is causing this environment, food, genectics?? Instead of using it as an excuse for poor behavior.....
@@ericapaquette9624 This isn't really a mystery, every diagnosis is becoming increasingly common because diagnostic procedures are constantly improving as time goes on.
Autism is actually a terrible example of this because it's still underdiagnosed to this day especially in women.
Lav: "I am obviously severely mentally ill" always illuminating comments from Lav.
Kinda click bait, I was here for Aba's take, he didn't show up until about 01:30 and stayed for about 10 minutes. To put he's name in the title is the definition of click bait.
MrGirl: "let me explain to you why im not manipulating girls"
MrGirl: "Destiny could theoretically attack us so im gonna coerce you into giving me dm screenshots"
What a real hero
Lav going back and forth between trying to seem like the innocent "doesn't know any better" girl and the aggressive positions really shows alot about her character. It seems very fluid trying to appeal to the reactionary demographic, submissive girl who doesn't know any better and then the girl boss who doesn't take shit.
The mental illness online is reaching disturbing levels. Wtaf
W's for Dooby!!
edit: Also, this brings to light Mr.K on how Mr.Girl tried to get victims as well. There probably was never any people in his camp in the first place and the guy he had that tried to help him before he bailed was probably on a separate page than Mr.Girl and when he found out what Mr.Girl REALLY wanted to do, he jumped ship and warned the family to blacklist him.
The kicker? Mr.Girl uses the bail out to his advantage saying, it's there, but if they don't agree to talk, then we can't pursue. Giving the audience the perception that Steven IS a Weinstein or Dr.K did fuck up beyond our knowledge, when in truth, he has nothing. There was never anything for him in the first place.
1:09:50 He threw Lav in front of him as shield too. He's a bonafide piece of shit,
What a lame pocket of the internet. The amount of drama i've seen binging these videos is ridiculous lol
Damn, as a 34 year old normal adjusted person just discovering Destiny (from Lex podcast) and enjoying what he is doing to political discourse. I am instantly turned off from ever following you when I go to your page and the first 3 things are high school drama level interpersonal issues. I doubt you would ever care about a rando's opinion which you will never see as a comment on one of your videos. But if you use me as a proxy for likely a massive amount of possible new followers that will no longer follow you because this looks so unprofessional. Then I think this is absolutely to the detriment to your platform as your friend suggested. Not in terms of losing your followers but in terms of the opportunity cost of gaining new demographics. Maybe at the very least you could separate your serious content into a separate channel? Anway hope for the best. (Not that this will ever be seen.)
Aside from Dan W and Aba W and Destiny being a girl's name...
What's an NFT?
Bruh! Your intake of sugar is too much ENOUGH TEA!!!
Maybe, but I need tea to keep me going while I build cryptos on command line.
The guilty pleasure in our household is The Bachelor, and I always find myself fascinated with the layers of nuance, complexity, and the raw humanity that’s exposed through how people present themselves when they know they’re being watched. “Reality” becomes this tapestry of the lies they tell, the way they compose their aesthetic to maximize an impression, the way they choose to narrativize aspects of their life, and of course the cracks in that veneer that accidentally expose the vulnerability just behind the mask.
This is, like, way better.
If you think that's interesting, I recommend Nathan Fielder's shows
Yeah, this is just narcissists with way more unstable emotions, and a much closer relationship to the consequences of their actions. Although most of these people, Max and Lav, specifically, just choose to ignore it as either hate, misogyny or excuses as to why they don't have to change.
@@RS-fy9hb I know a few narcissists and the thing they hate most is not getting attention. In MrGirl's and Lavs case it's clear. Although they both cry about getting pushback and negative attention it is ultimately what they crave. For relevance or something.
They're all supremely f*cked up mentally. Willing to trample their friendships for their own gain.
Lav: *Screams*
Erudite: *Screams*
Smith: *Simps*
Destiny: “My factory though”
😂
I love how Lav has 2 ults; crying for cc when majority is against her and one using her random off/on empath abilities to defend those who share common views or defend her
Doesn't know how to carry herself in a responsible way, but thoroughly and deeply understands psychology concepts .
Her counseling has poisoned her brain. Should've never spoken in psychology terms with Lav, ever. It literally only serves perpetual victims to be able to use those terms as a shield, so they can hide behind it while making their surroundings as toxic as they want them to be.
Lav gets so mad at erudite for being mean to that nobody who came on hot, and then jumped on erudite and said to Minecraft yourself to that other girl. Then she said we shouldn’t dehumanize people. She was the only person to bring up her husband during the convo by asking people not to bring it up. Classic lav.
I lost it at "Why are you holding me to these standards" Because you just accused someone of being Harvey frickin Weinstein! You can't do that and fall back on "lol I dunno I've only been streaming for 3 months oopsie"
Its funny, because the standards they are holding her to is that she can be a good person soon.
If they hold her to standard that she's currently at, she's a POS.
If Lav didn’t want to be called a liar about other things she said, then she shouldn’t have lied about anything. Most people consider someone who lies always a liar. And that is not unreasonable. Once someone lies about something serious, you cannot help but be skeptical about everything that person says moving forward, or even things they said in the past.
1:09:00 this is so unbelievably scummy I can’t believe it what I and everyone else liked about Mr. girl was how open and honest he was about everything but here is just absolute clear an unmitigated manipulation attempting to get Anna to change her story or manipulate her simply for the sake of getting a win over destiny that’s so fucked
I thought we were done with Lav. And of course when she gets real criticism, she turns on the waterworks and says everyone is making everything about her while simultaneously making everything about her.
Yes, that's her usual tactic: make herself the centre of a discussion in a stupid way and when people star criticising the stupidity she complains about people making it about her. Works every time.
Baste
11:32 this is your brain on radical feminism.
No accountability or consequences for women and those they love but ultimate accountability and consequences for the *_slightest hint_* of a fault in everyone else.
_Edit:_
_26:33__ and she keep going :VVV_
i'd argue the egg came first.
people that don't want to take any responsibility find the feminist arguments and use them to deflect, not that the feminism makes people deflect.
I don't even know you but unless you're a seething misogynist you're probably more of a feminist than her. Ever seen how she talks to other women?
@@iz2333 other women as in the ones she thinks are going against her feminism, yeah. True and also real, and it fits perfectly with what I said.
@@handsomebear. It doesn't because she's not radically in favor of feminism, she's radically in favor of herself. As soon as she doesn't like someone or they say anything against her all that "feminism", goes out the window.
@@iz2333 dude stop coping lmao.
This is how all feminism operates(and other ideologies for that matter), there is an overarching group and the rest create their smaller groups and they all attack everyone who doesn't agree with their particular faction.
The only reason I said radical was because Lavs particular group is a step more batshit than the mainstream, but it's no that different :V
Destiny, Thank you very much for having all the crazy and deal honestly as you do . I learn so much from your interactions .
i wish you never lose a battle with any of the Malevolent people on your path .
Love ya bud
Lav makes serious insinuations with heavy consequences about other people, but she pretends not to a second later. Then, when she gets in trouble because of it, she plays the victim.
This is the reason that I try and tell people that taking arguments seriously that you like from people on social media can be dangerous because you don’t know anything else about them, who they are, or what their life experiences are.
Lav tries to push the blame off her at the beginning but as soon as Kyla gave her advice about taking a break and then she starts getting support from that weirdo smeth she did a 180 and went on the attack. She wants to be able to lie and help Max with his agenda but not be criticized for it.
Actual npc. If(get help){start attacking}
I think Max is hardcore manipulating her but the switch and attack was genuinely concerning. It almost makes it seem like she actually doesn't feel sorry at all when she puts on her baby voice and breaks down.
@@inatani0 watch/Skip through SIC' Manifesto on her. She has been doing this in a way more disturbing way for a long time. Bullying People nearly into suicide, then acting like she was the victim. Along with some fishy SA allegations and calling the FBI on people out of spite.
Lav tone of voice grows to the same tone like when just like Ana's voice when she gets backed into a corner like " oh please don't hurt me, I'm thr victim here... why am I being attacked?"
Destiny is the only content creator I know that gets excited when he's accused of something lol
1:26:10 Kyla goes off on Mr.Girl
1:55:55
Baste
NGL I have some reflecting to do. I was at destiny level charitability with Mr Girl and Lav. Meanwhile Aba and Dan over here with the minds-eye takes of instant repulsion and 100% right.
I low key love being able to live vicariously though destiny in making bad interpersonal decisions and learning life lessons without the personal fallout.
I would have made the same mistakes he did and probably reacted worse. It sucks to say but truth be told; this misadventure has made me reconsider the cynicism I thought I had grown out of as having merit.
Turns out being wary of new people is not naive but a pretty damn wise move....
Thinking something is naïve is a lot of times the actual naïve thing to do saddly
Yo can you catch me up? Why is destiny talking about banging like 10,000 women what is happening?
And what’s going on with mrgirl?
The constantly crying and refusing to even let people make their points about her is a tactic , “if I can pivot the situation to sop talking about me” or “if I cry and scream hard enough they will leave me alone”
this is a huge manipulation tactic and I hope you understand this person doesn’t need as much babying as you’ve given them for this long.
*” I’m severely underdeveloped socially!” “Stop making this about me!”*
these are clear signs I hope you catch them next time.