Barbatos, the God of Death [Genshin Impact Character Analysis Theory]
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Mini theories? Mini theories.
They're dead friends wishes for peace and safety for their friends was heard by the wind and so it granted its last lingering wish
Wonder how the topic of death will be introduced in Fontaine… I wanna see Robespierre and a Guillotine in genshin
What if granting of an Anemo vision has something to do with a person experiencing death?
We have all seen the reoccuring theme of anemo characters having experienced death or something very close to it.
What if being granted an Anemo vision depends on how to deal with death. Maybe there's some similarity between those characters reaction and moving forward from that death that might give you more insight as what Venti's perspective on death is if he is the God of Death
I've always had this itch that I cannot scratch, I always felt that hu tao is more than she wants us to believe.
She has a very unique design (the eyes, the colored end of her hair which is seen on the archons, the special dash animation)
Also she is very close to morax and even hinted to know his true identity.
And with the last event, the fact that she invited venti in particular makes me think that she is weaving something behind the scenes.
The Natlan chapter is named ode of reincarnation or something like that, would it be possible that she is the reincarnation of the first pyro archon? Or maybe when she first went to the afterlife she met with the spirit of the first pyro archon and got her blessing in some way?
Maybe the pyro archon is not the God of War but the God of death since those concepts are very close and maybe the people got it wrong.
Bartobas theory.
Aster's venti obsession is gonna power creep her wanderer obsession at this rate
I really hate to say this phrase, as it is a phrase that every annoying person in my life has said, but…
“As she should.”
@@Kureemy i agree with your statement, her venti lore obsession is indeed, a must
I love Venti, and Mondstadt so I don't mind Aster's obsession 🤣
She can do one mean Venti impression as well. Ehe.
Asters venti obession vs ashkai scaramouche obsession, who would win?
Venti is currently the weirdest Archon we have. Ei and Nahida's origins were revealed (Ei is a twin of Makoto, and Nahida is now the Avatar of Irminsul). and at least, Zhongli also had Adepti companions that at least know him very well. Venti's account of his birth is literally unreliable because the people that knew of his beginning are dead so no one could verify the truth. he met Dvalin only when he's already the Anemo Archon and Andrius' nemesis was Decarabian and not Barbatos. Barbatos just showed up one day, helped a bard, and accidentally became the Anemo Archon, which is so fucking weird
This make me question back about him
Mondstadt region isnt even finished, and he doesnt have a 2nd archon quest
Also Varka isnt released (extremely important chr)
Its the region closest to Snezhnaya and is also said they are close to enter into K'aenriah
@@San-cb9mj uhhh more info
wow now that you mention about it.. i've been wondering too.. ei and zhongli have 2 chapter but venti only have 1 and monstadt region that still closed the dandelion sea.. now i'm convinced that mondstadt is indeed the most important place as we start there and would end there too
@@thelostdeadkid I'm not sure where people are getting the info that Mondstadt is the closest to Snezhnaya or Khaenri'ah, but it really is entirely likely that Mondstadt isn't finished. We keep hearing and reading about Dornman Port, which is a harbor town in Mondstadt, where Yanfei and Eula met each other. There are also signs that we will be returning to Mondstadt at some point for more story, especially considering three different sources reference the possibility that Albedo will "lose control" (most likely of the art of khemia, not lose control of himself) and risk the destruction of Mondstadt.
There is an allegedly leaked early concept map of Teyvat floating around the internet from Genshin's very first beta test, and it's said to be provided by Ubatcha, a trusted leaker in the community. But of course, since it's so old, changes have been made during the game's development. However, some elements remain the same. The map shows Snezhnaya as being northwest of Fontaine, with Fontaine being north of Liyue.
One example of certain elements remaining the same is that both the concept map and the full release material have Sumeru placed to the west-southwest of Liyue. We also have evidence that Fontaine is still planned to be north of Liyue. Ever since the bartending event, we've been getting occasional mentions of Qiaoying Village, which is said to be in the northwest part of Liyue. In one of the Marvelous Merchandise events, Liben tells us that people often pass through Qiaoying Village on their way to Fontaine, indicating that Fontaine is, in fact, north of Liyue like in the alleged concept map leak. The concept map also labels Celestia as being above Fontaine, and if you triangulate Celestia's position in-game, it does appear to be floating above where we expect Fontaine to be.
So, I don't know whether or not we can believe that Mondstadt is closest to Snezhnaya, as Snezhnaya could easily be north of Sumeru and Fontaine, rather than north of Mondstadt. But again, even if this concept map is real, a lot has been changed from this initial plan. For example, Inazuma was allegedly planned to have a Sakura Lake and a lighthouse.
No wonder Venti and Hu Tao hit it off so well in the Lantern Rite this year
God of death and the funeral director bonding
Very epic
And Xiao, who is involved with karma and death
With this theory it all starts coming together scarily well.
My thoughts exactly
stonks lmao
when you die in an windless land now seems actually horrifying in Genshin.
Mir jarva and khaenri'ah: lamo
Mare jivari
but their a wind in mare jivari in venti story quests he made a wind that strong as in mare javari thats why stanley stand up. the windless areas are enkanomiya and chasm.
@@gegie10 While I am aware that Stanley in Ventis storyquest more specifically says: "I can hear the wind blowing in the Mare Jivari" that doesn't change the fact, that the Mare Jivari is literally described as a "sea of ashes where the wind does not blow" about the other areas I believe Khaenri'ah is mostly speculation since we know next to nothing about it (tho I might be wrong). Enkanomiya is an interesting case as it fell into the sea long ago and we literally have no relevant information on its state before that event. The Chasm I would personally say is a bit far fledged to call a "Land without wind" as its literally just a big cave in the middle of Teyvat so pretty much it's just underground and never was anywhere else and yes there would be little to no wind but that is just because its so big tho I guess you could call it "windless"
@@gegie10
Inversely, I think Enkanomiya has a pretty intense wind. If you turn off the music in Enka, the ambient noises are essentially just wind wooshing. Additionally have you seen Enka’s grass? It’s practically having a seizure from being blown.
The Chasm definately has wind. Even the deepest part with the Nail in it? If you observe the overall area closely you’ll see little threads of anemo teal flowing around. Wind is definately there too.
I think the place without wind is instead the Orchard of Pairidaeza, GOF resting place. Not even grass moves there. (Which brings up an interesting proposition regarding the presence of wind with the flow of time. Our characters still moves and breathes - our wind is present since our time still ticks on. Meanwhile, the Orchard is in complete stasis)
Traveler: your no archon
Venti: Im death, straight up
XD
traveler: *drops dull blade
venti: *p i c k i t u p*
@@cope_induced XD
XD
I like this idea of Venti being a gentle God of Death and comfort. The anemo characters all have lost friends, but they're all still incredibly successful in their endeavors (sometimes, the deaths were the reason of why they got to their point in the story, Wanderer being a good example of it we see in the game while people like Heizou/Jean/Xiao were established to be incredibly important figures already).
I really hope they give us a concrete reason for why every character has their vision's element because it's clear each element has a theme going on, some being less obvious and some more so. Anemo being the representation of loss and moving on without regret would be really, really nice tbh
It would bring to a close smaller stories employed in Genshin.. As in, in protecting the Traveler from being killed in exiting Tenshukaku (?) what exactly caused Kazuha's dead friends vision to power up at that point?
We already have concrete reasons for why each character has their vision through character story. We also know each concept associated with each element too, anemo is freedom, geo is contracts, electro is eternity, dendro is wisdom, hydro is justice, pyro is war/passion, and cryo is love. The vision a character receives is determined by what concept they embody.
In general, I agree, but there seems to be more to it.. as in if a vision holder dies how does it power up again and under what circumstances. I believe Lisa was surprised when we asked about her vision.. she and others have suggested perhaps we too will get one- and that may come into play near the end of Genshin somehow. If we do it will be a 'light' vision [all 7 powers not just one, maybe more than that], the power of the traveler and the visionless element use along with the continual suggestions we may get one project more than the "vision ___ equals such meaning" does. In Liyue in the fall of Jade Chamber 1.0 those we were with recognized we could use their powers and loaned some to us in the battle. In Inazuma in the final battle to end the vision hunt decree scene, again we use multiple powers through the hopes, dreams of the vision holders. In Sumeru we have to first transcend allowed existence to reach Nahida and then understand it to stop the Akasha experiment and associated phenomena. Also Sumeru, to stop the not God of Sumeru Scaramouche (maybe spelled wrong) we have to use the dreams/results of the people of Sumeru [not extracted from like with the sages, asked of them by Nahida so willingly given without stealing] to defeat him. In all Archon story quests thus far it is us who help the catalyst of change to be the help it becomes. Even in 3.6 that we know of: while Nahida helps the 'antagonist' find peace per se, it seems to be us not Nahida [Nahida is still seen as an enemy but not a problem: "..you and your people (those of and in Sumeru).." are not the targets of the antagonist (part of a group we learned about in Monstatd)] who helps the problem resolve. With or without a vision, in addition to the long life (life reading) as one Sumeru NPC says and the many connections we have or will get ("love" connections reading, a.k.a. in such generic terms it may suggest romance but often that 'genre' [prediction of future and reading of the supposed unknown] uses the term love to refer to general connection whether a childs love or friendship loyalty) what is informed of us by the Archons both direct [like Nahida's reveals] or indirect [i.e. Zhongli's and Yae Miko's warnings and information after Archon Quests are done, and Venti and Nahida had their reveals too of what was to come and what the future held; Nahida's was by far the most direct and hopeful even when talking about the unknown- Yae Miko, Ei, Venti, and Zhongli answered only specific questions and held back in others suggesting they knew more than they let on outright].. Many suggestions in game imply visions are more than mere cause and vision. Are you wrong? No, I agree with what you project, but there seems to be more. Such as how/why Kazuha was able to protect us when we left the Palace after the Inazuma fight with La Signora despite the visions power or who used it when that attack from Ei/Raiden was supposedly the same one that killed Orabashi and was the one few survived and nobody could parry [the most powerful attack she has], supposedly.
@@coffeebean4246 excuse the extremely late reply, my UA-cam notifs bugged out for a while. Anyways, this is why I specified "Vision's Element", not simply "Vision". We do know how each character got their visions, but there's certain "themes" that link vision bearers with the same element with one another, if that makes sense.
Also I think this is a combination of both the Archon's ideals and a 2nd "theme" that ties everyone within their element together. You'll notice Cryo characters tend to have contradictory aspects in their stories (Ganyu, a qilin that cannot relate to neither humans or Adepti. Rosaria, a nun who does not even know her God's name) which is what leads me to this conclusion
For example, Heizou and Xingqiu. Heizou works as an "detective" to catch criminals whereas Xingqiu uses the Guild's power to put shady people in their place. Both end up capturing criminals, but the difference is that Xingqiu wishes to champion Chivalry while Heizou believes that he should rid the world of sin (hence why one is Hydro and why the other is Anemo). I don't know if that makes much sense, but I'm bad at explaining things 😅
I think Anemo has more to do with the DECISIONS/PATH you made after obtaining your FREEDOM (can be possitive or negative)
Sucrose tried Alchemy to fulfill her Dream of Paradise after losing her friend (not literal death, this is bad)
Xiao tried to pay back Zhongli for saving him from his cruel MASTER (this is a good one)
Jean decides to follow her mother's path of being a Knights after her parents divorce (depend on the situation, if relationship already sour might be good, a misunderstanding is bad)
Kazuha found peace as a wanderer after leaving the pressures of the inevitable end of his clan (he able to let go, something beyond his control, this is somehow good)
Wanderer decides to take revenge from Dotore and be no longer tied from anything after being free from Dotore Gaslighting and be forgotten (thou not everyone, this is definitely good)
The observation about Venti that I find the most interesting is that notion that the wind has always guided or protected the Traveller in each nation. You see that with Xiao and Kazuha in terms of protection and the Wanderer being a guide through Irminsul. Considering that he has had a guiding hand with Xiao and Kazuha, it makes me wonder if he’ll eventually meet the Wanderer as well.
Wanderer gonna have a heck of a time if he crosses paths with Venti. That's gonna be a whole week-long therapy session.
More so as The Wanderer has an Anemo vision..
Ya venti did say to traveller that “the wind will protect you” or sumn and every story quest so far has an anemo vision user protecting the traveller from the big baddie. Xiao, Kazuha and wanderer so venti has a definite omnipresence that shows he has more power than he lets on
Yae also said "the wind that blows from afar brings fresh life to these shores." Wind is used as a metaphor for time, but it also seems to be used metaphorically to imply that we've been propelled on this journey by the wind. After all, the very first Act of the game is titled "The Outlander Who Caught the Wind."
Speaking of, catching the wind sounds like a metaphor for the Traveler being picked up by it like a sail (or a glider, heh). It also may refer to the expression "catch wind of" which is to learn something that was supposed to be a secret. And third, if you took it super literally, if Paimon IS Istaroth after all, the Traveler would have LITERALLY "caught The Wind"
@@effortlessfury My mind is gonna explode from these connections, that is amazing foreshadowing
Do you think it’s a coincidence that Venti likes feathers and implements them into his attacks while the artifact for the feather is “Plume of Death”? Just a little connection I made after watching this video, though it could mean nothing…
So that's why Venti gets along with Hu Tao very well in lantern rite
holy shit, they both effectively help souls and spirits pass on in a way
hahhah yeah
Venti is such a lovely character for so many reasons. He's like a mix of Hermes, Dionysus, and Apollo all into one. Adding the theme and idea of "freedom" basically gives us Barbados.
*Barbatos
@@agapipekou1204 *Bartobas
They really should reveal the identities of the Archons (or at least Venti) in the end
Can't help but wonder how the citizens would react, especially Barbara xD
I've always imagined that near the ending, Celestia would wage war against Teyvat and the incognito Archons like Venti and Zhongli would fight alongside the vision bearers of their respective regions lol
Barbara gets a heart attack
Also don't forget Rosaria
@@mracollege9310 Rosaria: so Jesus exists... And Is my drinking buddy
@@kyuriht This has horrible implications if you think about it.
If you think about it, death is a type of freedom. So Venti being close to the aspect of Death isn’t that improbable.
He was also the one who led the musician guy who was looking for his ancestor's savior which led to the entire lantern rite event unfolding the way it did. I really love Venti
Oh my god, venti is such a complex character that sometimes it just hits me that honestly he can be like lying for 90% of time. Also i get the feeling thats he will be the most important in the end game, and it seems as hoyoverse is starting to put more and more hints that something is off about our fav bard. Nice theory aster!
I’ve been waiting for someone to mention Venti’s role as a psychopomp ever since his first story quest, I yelped out loud when I saw this notification 😭 the role of the winds as a psychopompic entity has haunted me ever since I connected these dots and in turn notice every. single. time. characters mention the souls of the dead being carried by the wind, which happens a lot more than you’d think, and is also why it’s such a surprise to me that no one has mentioned this for so long considering how prevalent it is not only in Mondstadt but in the entire game.
Admittedly, I never looked up the irl parallels between Venti and other mythological entities and concepts, so this video is much appreciated for not only touching on the topic of the wind as a psychopomp but also widening it so
Me too 😭😭😭
Venti just cannot be as random to become an Archon as he presents himself in his history. After Summeru I am certain that Archons weren't random at all, and the war didn't really mater in who got the gnosis.
Rukhadevata was born from Irminsul itself, and has the ability to control Irminsul, it wouldn't make sense for somebody else to become the Dendro Archon. Zhongli invented and kept making Mora, which is not only a currency, but also a catalyst without which modern alchemy wouldn't exist, and also governed contracts, which seem to be important and somewhat binding. Makoto was related to eternity, which by Ei's admission is the closest ideal to Heavenly Principles.
By comparison Venti being a random wind spirit just doesn't make sense. Also, the circumstances by which he was given the gnosis are just weird. Decarabian wasn't an Archon, yet Barbatos defeated him and suddenly qualified for the gnosis along with Andrius? Why the choice had to be between Andrius and Barbatos? Why didn't any other wind-related gods qualify? Why the decision was to be made specifically then and not earlier or later?
This is why i believe the story Venti tells us isn't 100% truth. It could be taken the same way the Traveler answers Dainsleif's questions. He just gave tons of credit to the people to stay humble and remove the focus from him to people he deemed more worthy of recognition.
As for Andrius v Barbatos, ig they were the only deities alive around Mond territory, as Decarabian was probably the second to last being to fall, with Andrius willingly giving up his 'mortal flesh' afterwards for Venti to be the victor. Like Ei did to allow Makoto to win the Electro throne/Gnosis. There could only be one that stood in the material plane alive.
I can't wait for the next patch. Venti talked about Mondstadt's port and i so so so wanna go. I wanna know why he doesn't go over there and i can't wait for new refreshing Mond land to explore!
@@sundalosketch4769 The gnosis seem to be somewhat related to the territory, but I'm not sure how important that is. They also seem to have predetermined elements as well. Like, what if Guizhong won in Liyue? The territory would match, but she was the goddess of dust, and there is no dust gnosis. In general, there are too many predetermined things about them to be purely left to chance of who won the war.
As for the Mondstadt port, I think he said that ships very rarely use that port, which in itself is curious as for all other nations ports seem to be important for travel and commerce.
@@ScarfmonsterWR Even if she was the goddess of dust, dust is still an element related to Geo so i don' think it would've been that specific. Although you do raise the point of it being suspiciously predetermined. I even theorize that Zhongli could be one of the Seven Sovereign given a 2nd chance to live under the Primordial One's rule in the new world. Given his power, status, golden form and insanely strong memory even for a Geo elemental being.
That is very strange. Maybe Mond doesn't use it much bc it's cheaper or easier to use Liyue's more efficient harbor while the rest is sent on foot. Since it looks to be near smack-dab in the middle of the other regions.
@@sundalosketch4769 Judging from his *cough* black with gold tattoo hands *cough* and Exuvia form, your guess about Zhongli might be one of the Sovereign could be true. After all, didn't it already stated in Enkanomiya that Vishap could take a shape of a mortal?
This is interesting. According to Bennett Character Story 5, "Once over, their souls are brought back to their homeland by Barbatos." Venti can recall the voices from the past during the Weinlesefest festival like Diluc's dad, Kaeya's "father", Rosaria's acquaintance and Razor's parents. He even brought Stanley's (real name: Hans Archibald) dead friend in his domain to say goodbye to him. Since he possesses a wing, in my opinion he might be an angel of death.
I would like to add too that Xiao and Venti are, at least, old colleagues (according last Lantern Rite), and Xiao has hovering between life and death for a long time now. Also, Venti always appears when Xiao is in his most fragile moment, and always reliefs his pain when in heavy karmic debt. Venti, with this friendship, shows up to give a peaceful death to Xiao, or at least make his not-death-but-almost-there more beareble.
I think Istaroth deleted herself from the Irminsul like Wanderer in an attempt to change fate, hence why we hear her voice afterwards. Her name is unknown, but she had been workshipped before, though the people of Mondstad 'suddenly' stopped doing so. The only things we know of her come from allegories (Time and Wind etc). Which makes me wonder how many things from Venti's past were originally things Istaroth did but were replaced with Venti. Especially since in some cultures the God(ess) of Time is also the God(ess) of death and descruction (and sometimes also birth in a more circle of life manner).
But when irminsul erases things, it also erases records about said things. By that logic, if Istaroth erased herself, wouldn't the carvings in the nameless island and stories in enkanomiya be modified to take her out of the picture?
@@jsw973 It’s a very shaky guess but I'd hazard that the carvings would still exist and Istaroth, to a degree, is still marked no matter what. I'm going off of the vase part during Wanderer's quest and then the carvings that the Traveler could leave for that one adventurer during the 2.8 Golden Apple Archipelago when I thought about this though. The carvings remained for that adventurer after we left them for him as a note/warning. The vase in Wanderer's quest remained broken despite his changes to the Irminsul. My guess is that despite the changes, if these existed as carvings regardless, they would always remain even if changes to Irminsul are made.
Again, it's...a VERY shaky guess. You could probably argue that the events on the 2.8 GAA are mirages, so that entire adventure carving thing is null and void. I just thought thr vase thing was still interesting though. I haven't played through too much of the recent quests after 3.1 and saw most recent content through youtubers so you can probabky take what I said as a grain of salt.
@@jsw973 The fact that Wanderer still exists, and Nahida's story made parable means that it's possible to bypass Irminsul's record by making the references a bit obscure or cryptic.
Remember, the Enkanomiyan scribe wrote her name in reverse.
That’s an interesting theory, but consider this: it was the Second who Came that erased her from Irminsul, along with all the memories of the Primordial One. This could be why little evidence of the Primordial One can be seen outside of Enkanomiya (which isn’t part of Teyvat and was able to forego the edits), because the Second who Came are pretending to be the Primodial One. I think the reason why the new artifact set has the Goddess of Flowers mentioning him is because she is one of his shades, the one who created the Seelie and guided humanity. Since they were already from outside Teyvat, she would not have been affected by the change in Irminsul.
I'm pretty sure that Nahida erasing Rukkadevata is different from Scara erasing himself. It's been established that one can not completely erase THEMSELVES from existence because in Rukka's words that would be paradoxic. So that's why Scara still exists, records of the Raiden Gokaden have stayed largly the same, and why no trace of Rukkadevata remains. Scara's name was just taken out of history, but history was preserved, as opposed to history being completely rewritten when Rukkadevata deleted herself.
Seeing that we know Venti has some connection to time and from the idea of the 3 moon sisters representing different parts of time. What if Venti's connected to the 3 part of time the End of life ?
Wind is the soul; wind is the life fading away; wind is the final breath?
I personally think that the God of Death will be another shade, basing on the theory that the artifacts represents the primordial one and the Shades ( death, life, space, time and logos). Basically, Istaroths "sibling"
I thought life and death was one shade and not two
4 Shades, 4 Concepts
God of life ( flower of life)
God of Death ( feather of death)
Godess of Space ( goblet of Emptiness) ( possibly the Sustainer)
Godess of Time ( sands of eons)
The Primordial One ( crown of logos)
Or a shade of Istaroth. That's a theory I have a heard a few times, the Venti was born from a sliver of Istaroth's power.
@@brianxy3649 never thought of artifact like that, huh
Going further, maybe Venti is a shade, and that's why his origins are so weird/vague? 🤔
the Greco-Roman god closest to Venti (besides the Anemoi/Venti) is definitely Dionysus (or Liber, his Roman version). Dionysus/Liber was the god of wine but also freedom (liver is the root behind 'liberty' in English), and in Greece he maintained an association with the underworld, which ties nicely with Venti's role as a psychopomp. It's certainly interesting that Mondstadt takes far more inspiration from Roman than Germanic mythology (although Khaenriah is based almost entirely on the latter)
I actually have another script for this for another vid context, since Im exploring more greek inspo potentials for genshin
I thought Diona was inspired by Dionysus. She rules over wine/celebrations, but also is hateful, which is how I've seen Dionysus portrayed before (minus adult sexual themes, bc that is usually included as well.)
@@nurselunaaudio3758 could be, but the resemblance ends at just her name. Venti's resemblance with the Roman Dionysus is more obvious, with the whole 'god of wine and freedom' thing that Diona lacks
Let's not forget that Dionysus also has heavy associations with kingship and was originally (in some myths) going to be the one that overthrew Zeus in the same way Zeus overthrew and subsequently killed HIS father (the highest God of the pantheon, God of storms) and is also a God of madness and medicine.
He's also one of the gods closest to mankind, having been raised by them in some stories. Gives out nice gifts, and is even known as the God of acting and theater which also ties to Venti ACTING dumber than he truly is to get what he wants.
Dionysus and Venti are both a lot older and wiser than appearances suggest.
This makes sense because both Anemo and Anima (the word for soul, breath and wind in Latin) share an etymological root, Venti could be not only the archon of wind but the archon of life itself, which in turn would make him the archon of death as well as he would be able to control the life cycle.
I think at the very least Venti is more than he seems. I didn't realize until this video that Venti seems to show up everywhere regardless of nation. We have yet to see another archon helping us in a nation other than their own.
Exactly how I am unsure but the writing and story/plot so far suggest that may change.. All the 7 nations will possibly come to trust the traveler 500 years after the fall of a 'Godless' nation. If the traveler somehow serves as an ambassador of sorts, more archons/their people may see the need to unite and support the traveler. As the "head" of the Abyss Order per se is or its speaking leader at least, is the Abyss Twin- as they realize what happened and piece together the history of Teyvat, possibly including others (both Archons and their people) in the process; it may calm the agitation on both sides. And that may be one reason the calamity suggested by the 'war with the Abyss Order' is prevented. Even if that occurs in any way, it is still just one side that will affect the outcome, and a negative outcome is unlikely in most games including Genshin, otherwise there is little/no interest if the devs of any game decide to release a new game of the same series or as a sequel.
I think something else interesting is during the recent latern rite event hu tao, who helps protect the border between life and death and venti have a very easy time getting along. to be fair hu tao seems to get along with everyone but her and venti seemed to become chummy fast.
I think that highlights their extroverted, bubbly personalities rather than anything to do with death
But still, they became friends fast! Venti didn't have the Travelers trust until he told them about Dvalin
My man isn't just an air bender, he mastered spirit bend too
Interesting theory! Really makes you think about Venti's overall role in the story
how did you even finish the vedio?💀
@@rim.quirra7321 By simply watching it?
@@Unforgiving_Eye he commented a minute after the vedio was uploaded and it's length is 10 minutes
There's also something about this mentioned in one of the Aranyaka quests, tho it's more on the Thousand Winds as a concept rather than on Barbatos specifically. The Thousand Winds being called the Ad Oblivione which takes away memories, like a different form of death in a way where you lose pieces of yourself. Sounds like a similar thing to erosion, plus the Aranara described it as "everlasting, devastating". Of course, this is all off the top of my head so I correct me if I'm wrong, but it's been on my mind since playing the questline
Honestly, I really love the idea of Venti as a god of death, especially with all the goings on of his character. It also reminds me a lot of this short story on Tumblr about "a death that is patient, kind, and most of all, inevitable" so there's that
There's also the connection between breath and wind, I guess. A person's last breath would be something the wind would take wherever else, maybe, or would be a pretty good metaphor for what comes after.
Even when we go to Liyue where initially Zhongli seems to be associated with it because he works for a funeral parlor now and I guess the dead do get entombed and interred or turned to ash (plus the dust to dust connection with earth), the Lantern Rite still involves the wind, as does the Rite of Passing with the kites. And incense travels through the wind as well. And, of course, Venti crashes or is invited to Hu Tao's party. Of course, he'd show up for the booze and the music but it is pretty interesting that it's also a party hosted and attended by a lot of death-adjacent people during a festival honoring the dead. And as the Traveler points out, the music festival part was added quite suddenly so that excuse is a lie. Just like Monstadt believes the winds guide the dead home, that seems to be the idea behind the lanterns, too, so it makes sense for Venti to be there.
Interesting, too, the connection Venti has to storytelling, as the Lantern Rite also includes operas and paper theater. Because obviously, one of the ways people remember and honor the dead is to recount their memories and tell stories about their lives.
Being a bard and being the wind connects with Death a bunch of ways here.
Just to add to that - the Greek _anemo_ and Latin _animus_ are cognates, so that wouldn't be the first time Hoyo borrowed an irl association
A piece of info that i found interesting related to anemo and somewhat of the concept of death in the case of erosion, was from the description of the Flying Serpent " The desert is a far away from the nation of Anemo, but its lands are still ever-graced by gales intent on eroding everything."
"One day, the wind in Nara's hearts will stop, halting their steps." a direct quote from Aranara (speaking about death). I can't get this quote out of my head now...
That kind of reminds me of the idea that artifacts represent The Primordial One and his four shining shades from a UA-camr called Wei ☀️. The Feather of Death being symbolic of a god of death. And you know who has some little feather effects…
Another concept of Venti being the god of death is that he is one of the thousand winds which means he himself causes erosion to living beings.
Something small that I realized when watching this video: The cecilia is Venti's favorite flower and he is wearing a cecilia on his hat, which can be seen as a white lily. Lilies, specifically white ones, are flowers that symbolize death and rebirth.
I always had a suspicion about this. I mostly thought it in a "Anemo/Barbatos is the element/god of Freedom. A form of freedom is in leaving the chains of the mortal body and letting your spirit be free etc."
Also eyy! Another overly sarcastic productions fan!
Fun fact : Venti shares va with durandal from honkai. And durandal uses the abyss flower, which is a divine key made from the core of the herrscher of death
I like how they can use so many different legends as basis for their characters/world. I am myself biased to see a little bit of Väinämöinen in Venti. Väinämöinen is the son of Ilmatar and wind (ilma means air and tar is femine ending) she is kinda like heavenly air lady who took part in the creation of the world, kinda bit like how The Thousand Winds took part in the creation of Teyvat and how Venti is supposed to be one of her winds. Väinämöinen is eternal bard who can calm and enchant even the gods when he plays his kantele (lyrelike instrument). As characters they are very different, but they share these few themes.
I am waiting with great intrest if Venti has any sort of a relationship with the Tsaritsa, because Väinämöinen had conflict with Louhi, the witch queen of the North. For example they fought over The Sampo, which is magical object said to bring infinite wealth and luck to its bearer. It could create wheat from thin air and stuff. It was destroyed in their conflict and its pieces were scattered all over making the lands fertile in the progress.
Sampo was forged by Seppo Ilmarinen, a smith said to be able to create anything. Could there have been user of Khemia in the Khaenri'ah who could have made this kind of object? Could the conflict 500 years ago be about artifact that breaks the laws of the heavens by producing infinite amount of stuff? It is also worth to point out that even though we generally see Sampo as some sort of a mill, in some versions of the Finnish mythology, Sampo was The World Tree (Irminsul?).
@@mikkomuukka1755 i wouldnt be surprised if it was Gold who made the vanha kunnon Sampo equivelant that you theorised, what with her... everything
I think it is also fair to point out that Seppo Ilmarinen crafted a Golden Woman to be his wife after his first wife died, but found out that the Golden Woman was in fact hard and cold as gold... And we do have someone named Gold that is assocciated with artificial humans and Khemia in Genshin too.
@@flowersandchocolate14 Yeah. It would make sense.
Venti/Barbatos is reason why there are no lost souls or wandering ghosts in Monstadt.
Plus, Venti meeting Hu Tao during Lantern Rite showed both of them great chemistry not only by poetry, but also sending off the dead.
Cough cough as a person who played way too much hades the first thing that came to mind was thanatos and a peaceful death goddess I'm going back into the Greek mythology stage again
GODDESS
GOODNESS
Venti is wild dude
He's probably (by theory) the strongest archon, though people in teyvat say he's the weakest, he probably knows the God of time, he rejected Celestia completely, also the whole thing about his creation - since only gods become archons, he went from elemental whisp, straight to god and archon in one go
And now the god of death?????
I love this dude
But I swear, if I don't get answers one day imma chase him with a cat and pour out his wine.
With Nahida's story to retain wanderer's memories, it immediately made me think of Venti and all his limericks. So now i wonder what are the origins of said stories and if there's a deeper meaning for us to uncover on some of these. Even Fischl 's storybook might be one of these occasions.
Hermes is very much a jack of all trades, some of his spheres of influence, besides bringing souls to the bank of the Styx, are travelers, merchants, inventors. But I also see some parts of Apollo, as in the bardic and poetic aspects. So I'd say Venti has influences of Apollo, Hermes, Thanatos and Hypnos.
I've always felt that Venti gave off the vibes of a Psychopomp, so I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one getting that idea!
I think that some of our questions may be answered soon. With the release of Mika, and updates on Varka's expedition last patch, I have a feeling that we'll be soon returning to Mond... I think we'll have to return to it at some point in the future even if it isn't soon, though.
maybe in ludi herpastum they came back? lol im hoping for daddy varka to be anemo😩
@@gegie10 I feel like Varka just has to be anemo haha
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windblume is coming back for version 3.5, i’d imagine venti will participate but not sure if we’ll get any lore drops when it’s a generally lighthearted festival
If the actual Grand Master of the Knigts of Favonius returns, it will be interesting.. to see if the honorary knight status of the traveler is upheld- even if they are still honored that way [people will remember], or even 'promoted' among the knights ranks, what will it mean?
you can stretch his connection to Dionysus due to sometimes excessive drinking and bards are known for hosting or performing at parties something that Dionysus does on multiple time in Greek mythos
And drinking was seen as liberating the mind and connecting it to the divine. Doesn't it mention that Venti had a glimpse of the divine in one of his character trailers?
Speaking of death, it makes me kind of wonder where the spirits in Teyvat go after moving on. Do they become part of the leylines or is there a separate domain for afterlife? When gods die, do they also have an afterlife?
Well it depend on the life forms. Elementals like Azhdha dont die, they only erode. Gods die but can remain just like humanoids...Andrius gave up his own life to bring nutrients into the earth of mond but his spirit remained to guard Wolvendom. Im inclined to believe there is no difference in where gods spirits and human ghosts go... but where they really do go i dont know... all we know is that there are border rooms where spirits can wait untill they feel ready to move on... there is one looser piece we do have though... at Tsurumi Island the ghosts say that they will go be shipped up to the moon and lay at rest in pods and become the stuff that living beings dreams are made off...and there was actually a ferry man. I dont think we can completely trust this piece of lore but it might be a bit closer to the truth. Tsurumis people were isolated for a long time and their beliefs did get corrupted but because they were isolated and are from 2000+ years ago, they should have be close to a memory capsule.
in hutao's quest she takes us to the domain between life and death but the spirits there are mostly liyuen(?) people ig...
Pretty sure they enter leylines and are essentially converted to data and recycled
@@Psycorde I dont think they explicitly stated that. So far, we only know that Irminsul gathers all the memories, and stores them. And hurting the leylines makes it leak the memories which dissipates afterward. If it stored the souls, the souls wouldnt dissipate since they dont do that before going into the lines. Of course, they could come up with some excuse for it but as it stand we would have a plot hole. Honestly irminsul is incredibly wierd, it both acts like a computer and doesnt...it also distributes mana and have something to do with the filth in the chasm.... and it create odd fruits for some reasons like a real tree...
Yeah, the gap in the lore made me think about the concept of afterlife in genshin.
Each region seems to have a different manner of dealing with the souls of the dead and there is not much details provided on their beliefs. The concept of a guide is a common denominator though (i.e. Venti, Hu clan, tsurumi ferryman). A potential character who may have explored life and death is King Deshret. The forbidden knowledge he acquired may be related to the desire to revive the God of Flowers.
Also, it is unclear whether gods or archons have souls like humans (most of the gods are elemental beings) and why they release god residue if killed a.k.a tatarigami (maybe Andrius is an exception since he sacrificed himself by choice). Maybe the residue are fragment of the souls of gods?
These are a lot more questions if we drill into the specifics. I believe that once the lore about afterlife and spiritual realm is solidified, it can serve as a powerful plot device in the future. Imagine getting the true history of Teyvat from those who actually witnessed the events.
Props to Overly Sarcastic Productions! Their Trope Talks and history overviews are awesome. How am I not surprised that Aster is also a fan.
In a new quest with Lilopaur she calls traveler a princess or prince in exile when she first meets us, which is confirmed by traveler in a reply. I find it really interesting. Do you guys have any thoughts on that?
It does suggest that some power or all around honored "something" is present in or attached to the traveler. And that expanded may lead to exactly what the Traveler and the Abyss Twin 'are', later- I don't know when, revealing or pointing to what role both play in Teyvat and its history. Including to the lost civilizations both Kheanriah (?) and others including Enkonomiya, what is known as Dragonspine, wherever Jhet's father and others are, etc. If either twin is that important (royalty, for no specific known term, in a way) it begs the question just how they fit into Teyvat [in one Sumeru quest a fortune teller is suprised: that so many people like the traveler- undefined as to how/why; and shocked the traveler lives so long- just what that means also yet undefined].
@@lkimberly2064 omg. this gave me one idea
*Sumero archon quest spoilers*
they said our twin is from Teyvat, but there is no memory of us in irminsul. perhaps the traveler was the princess/prince in exile, being erased the existence of her/him in this world
I do want to say, Venti being a god of death makes him a very interesting foil to La Signora. One experienced great personal loss and, while still struggling with it in some way, is not bitter or raging at the world because of it. Meanwhile Rostam's death was linked to Rosalyn's change and how she started down a different path, one that would eventually lead to exile and her joining the Fatui. She is enraged that his life had to end, while Venti accepts it as merely a part of this mortal world.
interesting to note that in the old canaanite religion (the one judaism was based on) the wind and air became associated with life, it's why in the bible it is said that god "breathed" the breathe of life into the clay in order to create adam, it's a golem spell.
therefore to the ancient canaanties and even to modern jews life is literally breathing, and indeed in both arabic and hebrew the word for "soul" comes from the root for "breath" and the word for ghost or spirit is the same word as wind
We know there are 4 shades of the primordial one being - life , death , time and space , if venti is the god of death he could be one of the shades that would explain his relations with istaroth the shade of time
We have seen different kind of Afterlife from each Nations. So Venti is definitely could be one of them, since Archons are also not put into a single role.
Also to add for food for thought, Aster. Lantern Rite and Jinn Quest have some of the most suspicious lines as of late with the Traveler and Paimon equally.
That was my thought! They all have their own ways of guiding spirits to the afterlife probably due to humans' beliefs being different in each region, but they all most likely end up in the exact same place. It's all just handled/perceived differently, potentially.
I always felt that Zhongli was also a over-seer of records/history. People always comment on how knowledgeable he is on everything and compared to Venti, Ei, and Nahida, he talks the most about the factual history of objects and stuff then them.
I think he knows more because he's older than both of them. Isn't he the oldest archon or am I mistaken?
@@ezurachan yes he's the oldest archon!
I find this video very interesting. This spotlights the fact that the Archons are truely divine and compliments their demonic names. With logic, we could even call Zhongli the God of Curses and Nahida of Madness. Can't find anything that would suit Ei though.
_"Death is like the wind, always by my side"_
I theorize that Venti's ongoing themes of carrying on the legacy of the lives that were lost is representative of his identity -- that Venti is a survivor of the lost Seelie race.
There's a pretty compelling theory that the Goddess of Flowers and Istaroth were one and the same. Goddess of Flowers was responsible for the birth of the Jinn who bear a striking amount of similarities to the Seelies, so the Jinni may just be the colloquial term for Seelie, like how Dahri is another name for the Khaenrians. With this, there is precedent for one of the moon sisters (the Goddess of Flowers) birthing a race of ancient mystical beings.
As one of the Primordial One's shades, Istaroth was likely one of the moon sisters, if not the same being as the GoF. Taking into consideration that Venti was born as "a thread of the thousand winds," and Istaroth is also known as The Thousand Winds of Time, this might mean that Venti, as an offspring of Istaroth, was also a Seelie. This is further backed up by how most of the overworld Seelies we encounter (excl. Dragonspine , The Chasm, that one underground area in Sumeru) are all the color of Anemo.
Speculation aside there is some actual evidence to this. Remember how the Seelies were cursed to slowly lose their forms and intelligence, withering away into mindless husks? In every flashback cutscene of Venti as a small wind spirit, one of his eyes appears to be either shrunken or missing entirely, it looks like he's missing an antenna? thing and one of his wings. (Visual reference at this time stamp --> 9:57) This could be a visual indication of him losing his body, his regression into the Seelies we're familiar with. He's wearing a cloak, (perhaps a disguise?) so we have no way of knowing what he actually looks like.
And I can't help but wonder if part of the reason why he took the form of the Nameless Bard was to disguise himself from Celestia as a surviving Seelie who remembers a time predating the Second Who Came.
Another thing I found interesting: Seelies actually bear a somewhat close resemblance to hilichurls. Makes me wonder if they were cursed with the same thing.
also his skill description reminds me of seelies: In the days when gods and men walked the earth together, the heavens were filled with countless songs. This melody has long since been forgotten.
this is why you shouldn’t drink alcohol
exactly lol
Nor sit on top of giant statues.
To be honest the first character (not including Paimon) we saw was Venti, so naturally I thought he'd play a big part in the entire game and when he was revealed to be the archon of out FIRST nation we travelled to that just convinced me that he would be really important. But to be honest my shock when Venti was barely mentioned after Dvalin's quest was crazy.
If you think about it all of this makes sense, "Freedom" isn't only being free, so Venti's might have ideals like being free from living or tied to Teyvat or something, which honestly would not surprise me.
He is by far one of the most mysterious characters I've ever encountered, he has a trusting aura around him and by far he is one of the only people who has tried to help Traveller rather than using them for a quest.
The God Of Time "Istaroth" could be Venti's creator, when he was a wind spirit, and so it would explain why he ascended to become an archon ramdomly.
I am also believing Nahida's theory on archon's power, rather than Venti's because she is also known as the Archon of Wisdom soo.
So he may as well be the strongest archon with the amount of followers he has.
There was also a large rumour about the fact that Venti would die in Sumeru, and I am glad it didn't happen, but when Fontaine's revealed I think more answers about him would be revealed.
How anemo really works and his overall story.
Next thing is, Khaenri'ah, the basic story of Khaenri'ah is now revealed, but to be honest it's quite obvious ZhongLi was hiding something when he was asked about it.
At this point we don't even know it Venti was apart of the destruction or anything. Plus another rumour going around that Venti was going to claim Khaenri'ah as his nation as well so that it wouldn't get destroyed like another nation( I don't remember the name but it started with a B I think..). But before he could, the fight with Durin came and he fell into his "Nap"
But he might as well have fought in the battle, but probably tried to protect little kids, because the traveller is from Khaenri'ah and his 'Wake-up' Voiceline was" Ah Traveller we meet again" and we know for a fact that Traveller already came to Teyvat before because when they were trying to leave Unknown God stopped them. So while they have probably forgotten about Venti he hasn't forgotten about them. He could be really important in the future quests.
ANYWAYSS that was soo random but whateverrr
So that's why Hu tao says Venti would be a perfect friend of her
The tittle reminds me of a streamer who is reading lore and says since Venti loves Apples and so does Ryuk from the Death note,so it confirms Venti is The God of Death 💀
Sorry I just remembered 😅
i lost such an opportunity
Venti is my favorite Archon and Anemo is may favorite Element. This mini Theorie is so fascinating.
Venti could also be associated with Life as Wind is often associated of with carrying the seeds of life to places
I love this. Another thing to reinforce this idea is that the idea of the spirit or life force was connected with the breath and the wind in a lot of ancient cultures (I know specifically Greek and Jewish).
The way i drop anything i'm doing whenever aster uploads a mondstadt lore video
I totally forgot about Hermes as a Psychopomp. That was an excellent correlation! Both seem very related in a number of ways it reminds me of the incarnation of death referred to as a friend who travels alongside you your entire life and will offer the release of your burdens at your death to guide you onward to your next destination. Which all seems rather fitting as the wind often is the means by which Barbatos guides the people in Tehvat. Hermes also carried a helm of invisibility if I remember correctly which could mean Venti could travel unseen anywhere at will.
This leads to a curious question regarding the inverted statue of the 7. If Barbatos represents Death then an inversion of death would mean eternal life would it not? Or would life be just the same as death as part of the cycle thus inverting it would possibly mean Eternal Slumber? As in not quite alive not quite dead but instead dreaming and static.
When you don't see the sun, that doesn't mean it isn't here anymore.
As long as there is air, there will always be wind, even if it's so delicate that we don't feel it.
I wonder, why Mare Jivari is called windless land. Is it called that just because the people of Mond have their own stories about it? Or is it just misunderstood? Or maybe there is no air in Mare Jivari?
I don't think we'll know for sure until the area is playable, but for now at the very least it's understandable that a lack of wind would be a basis for ominous superstitions in Monstadt.
@@thegamrpersonguy6077 (Bennett past's spoilers?)
Hm... Maybe it's because of fire if it's here? It would make it hard to breathe after some time. That would make you die and even if you survived that will make you sick. Maybe that's why the adventurer that found Bennett died? But wouldn't that mean that he also would die?? Mare Jivari is too weird and suspicious. You're right, we won't know more until it's release or some other characters will tell us about it
Maybe in Mare Jivari there's the presence of air breathable enough , but there's not the presence of anemo as an elemental force
Maybe it means wind that supports and continues, not wind that is prevented from blowing- like how Venti shies away from negative..
The fact that the four shades have artifacts and the Deaths artifact is a feather ... Venti has wings ..
I was literally thinking of this yesterday! this was a really interesting video- venti's connections to mythology are fascinating
This would near perfectly explain why so many characters with dead friends get granted Anemo Visions. It's like he's many forms of duality. From loud and proud to secretive and reserved; maybe that's the other qualification for obtaining an Anemo Vision for people in a sense. There's so much to wonder about Venti's past from before Vanessa.
Explains the "dead friend" anemo characters
(I know, archons don't choose yada yada yada I'm joking)
It seems evident that as a God, he is capable of many feats despite the lack of raw power. But when it has already been established that he is the God of Freedom quite plainly, he needn't secretly be a God who fits a different role. End of the day, all of them are demon Gods, akin to the fallen ones ,and thus bear the names of demons.
Thank you!
I can never have enough of Venti's lore
I had been wondering what kind of role he has since Nahida is born from the branch of Irminsul she has to guard irminsul.
Venti is from the branch of time but I still couldn't figure out what his role was. But with this some of my thirst has been quenched thank you very much!! Though it's a theory and not official I think it's very insightful
daaaaaaaaaaaamn. that realization on anemo bois and their dead friends, the anemo bois always saving us in every region's story quest. nice catch. and may the wind always protect us.
death is like the wind, always by my side
- yasuo
It's not a coincidence that my favorite Genshin character is Venti and my favorite Greek god is Hermes. Also, they both have cool hats!
Aster’s voice is so soothing (I usually use her theory videos as sleep ASMR or when I study) ❤
Genshin impact also takes a lot from the Bible and Christianity, the angel of death during the original Passover is usually portrayed as coming through a wind to each door. And the way he talks about Celestina makes me wonder, could he be the fallen angel of death?
9:44 Aster finally pronounces the "t" in genshin impact
I hope all this speculation and theorycrafting actually bears fruit. After watching many Venti theories, I agree that there are a lot of aspects of him that are highly suspicious. I'm eagerly awaiting the day MiHoYo springs the truth about Venti on us, some grand revelation about his true nature and what have you. I hope to see some big level plays from him in future story chapters. Show us what he's really capable of.
I always thought that Anemo means Soul.
It's because it "Animates" a being to make him move, but if the being is dying and is no longer able to move, it will blow away like the wind.
Death in Genshin and Death in Puss in Boots are polar opposites 😳
Barbatoes can just make some deadly virus’ fly through a continent and kill all living beings on that continent XD (he can also amplify his farts and keep it swirling around someone’s head to make the enemy pass out)
When you mention the Anemoi and Venti, which by the way venti also means winds in italian, it's interesting that the four winds of mondstadt are based on those anemoi for the most part. Boreas as the north wind and Favonius as the west wind are directly taken from those.
No wonder every anemo character has a dead friend
Not only has wind accompanied us on our journey since the beginning, but we've been saved by an Anemo character in every nation so far. Except for Fontaine, but that could come later on in the interlude quests.
till this day, we still don't have his 2nd quest. maybe we'll get it when mondstat expands, some major lore stuff is happening or it will literally be the final quest for the Teyvat chapter
very unlikely for it to be the 3rd one but it could be a possibility
Maybe I missed the part where you cited the artifacts. Will leave my musings here, hoping others can help me build on these:
Flower of Life = "life" > aqua vitae > water > Focalors
Plume of Death = (watch the vid, there's lots of good stuff) > Venti
Sands of Eon = "Khronos was depicted in Greco-Roman mosaic as Aion (Aeon), eternity personified." > eternity > Ei
Goblet of Eonothem = "Eonothem" > rock strata seen from a cross-section of land > Zhongli
Circlet of Logos = "logos" is Greek for "reason" > knowledge > Nahida
Finally someone remembers the scene from Ventis Story Quest. Nice theory, Aster.
Venti being a psychopomp is cool as hell
In fact, if you go deeper, Venti has a lot of connections not only with death, but with time and life. (If you still remember the theory that artifacts represent PO and his shades)
1. Life
One of Venti's titles is translated from Chinese as "defender of life and freedom." Venti is a pacifist and peaceful, he tries to avoid bloodshed. The description of the galaxy glider says that Venti sings "to heal the world." Also in the Albedo trailer there are shots where time represents the clock and the flower of Cecilia represents being (venti’s favorite flower). Venti's abilities to heal karma (xiao) and corruption (tried to cure Dvalin)
2. Time
With time I think everything is clear. The obvious connection with Istaroth (goddess of time), a thousand winds of time and his some abilities are also related to time (called the winds of the past, knows all the songs from the past, present and future)
3. Death
I don't want to retell everything that was said in the video
That's why I think Barbatos is very interesting. He definitely plays a huge role in story. I want to add an interesting fact, Venti’s CN voice actress once said "may be when all the archons meet together, Venti will show his other side."
OH RIGHT and i just rememebred in the 'light in the abyss' video made by CN genshin, other then giving a lot of lore on the archons, khaenriah, celestia and the missing sibling, barbatos is seen up in the sky next to makoto and morax playing the lyre? like during or just before the archons started attacking while the other archons look serious and stuff, barbatos is just playing the lyre. maybe hes trying to lull them into something like a dream or sleep with a lullaby? like guiding them to the afterlife, making them dream, or softening the effects or idk. guiding them to a moment of freedom before they get that curse or die? (maybe hes just playing epic bg music ((with a lyre??)) but i want to keep my hopes up on that, despite a lot of people missing or not talking about that.)
Oh and along with this, when Persephone comes up every year to start spring, it's said that the west wind of spring brings death since Persephone is queen of the underworld and plants.
And isn't there a Sea of Dandelions we haven't seen yet?
This is like the 5th time I’ve said this, but the topic of Death and it being associated with a character always reminds me of the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse, cuz well…. (spoilers)
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Winds of time
Wind of death
Seeds are cultivated by the wind(time)
Space in teyvat contains air (space)
OMG VENTI IS PHANES FR FR
And his feather motif tying in with the “plume of death”!!
You know, if he’s the God of Death that’d explain why Signora is so pissed at him with the death of her lover.
it’s like how all the anemo boys have dead friends
I remember the movie "Meet Joe Black" where 'Death' took the appearance of someone he thought was memorable just like how Venti has the appearance of the bard who helped in the rebellion
I don‘t think that Venti is the god of death, bc the god of death is one of Phanes‘ four shades as represented by the feather as a part of the five artifacts. It is called Plume of death. Every artifact piece is one of Celestias five gods. Phanes is the crown since he was described to be the master wearing a crown. The others are his shades, death for the feather, life for the flower, time (Istaroth) for the sands and space (Asmoday, the unknown god, sustainer of heavenly principles) for the goblet.
It's not confirmed that the shades are representative of the artifacts, so it's any person's game atp. Tho I kinda wanna make a vid about that now since i think my notes have something that also talks about the Moirai + the artifacts + tarot cards
@@ChillwithAster that would be really cool, I‘m sorry if I got the message I wanted to state a bit wrong, there is of course large room for theories scince nothing is confirmed. I just think it would be too much of a coincidence if the artifacts titles like flower of life, plume of death etc aren’t related in some way to Phanes and his shades.
who says that he couldn't be one of the shades? we barely know anything about Venti. He's a little spirit being that suddenly was just kinda there and assisted in the war against Decarabian. But anything before that? we have no clue. We don't even know if that is completely true. He also is the archon with the closest connection to Celestia (his statue literally having "gateway to celestia" carved in it) and the closest connection to Istaroth since all of the time temples are in Mondstadt. So, you know, I really wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be one of the shades.
If the sustainer is the shade of space, then (considering her appearance) everything points to a connection to Kiana (More specifically Sirin in Kiana's body) who was the Herrscher of the Void (essentially god of space) in Honkai.
Sumeru's story line has also pointed to other characters from other worlds than the Traveler and I believe described them as having fallen into the world. Considering that Honkai and Genshin are both universes connected to the Imaginary tree (Irminsul may be the name for it in Genshin, or a name for the branch that Teyvat is on) it is possible that these individuals fell from their original world on a higher branch (in some way) and landed in the universe containing Teyvat. It's possible that the current Pyro Archon is one of the people from another world, after all, archons not needing a vision to use their powers is a great cover-up for someone like the traveler. We also know the Pyro Archon's name is Murata and that they were not one of the original Archons. In this case, Murata Himeko from Honkai fell into the imaginary space after her battle with the Herrscher of the Void where she not only was able to break through the power of a god (with more power than most Herrschers to begin with) but also capable of killing said god if she wasn't focused on saving her student's life.
Essentially the other worlders in Teyvat fell into the world and the Pyro Archon shares the name of someone that fell into Imaginary space/potentially from a branch of the Imaginary tree and has the ability to slay gods. Another thing to note is that Himeko's armor was designed to contain a Herrscher Gem (Honkai's version of a Gnosis) and the Gem Himeko had when she fell was the Gem of Haste which was heavily related to fire (it's pretty obvious when she's swinging around a massive flaming greatsword). One thing to note is that the Gem of Haste is in Kiana's possession and that Himeko's sword did not fall into imaginary space. This means that either the Gem of Haste was affixed directly to the sword (fairly likely) or that Herrscher gems/Gnosis cannot leave the Universe they originate from.
If Himeko is Murata (the pyro archon, still a stretch, but intersting idea) it's possible that falling into the imaginary space prevented what should have been her death, but also removed the herrscher gem from her armor (the key of blankness, named because any herrscher gem could be inserted into it for different powers) and the former Pyro Archon found her when they were near death and combined the Pyro Gnosis with the Key of Blankness. We've already seen something similar to this in Teyvat with Balladeer's Mech so it's possible the Mech design was based off the key of blankness or at least the Fatui's understanding of it.