I’m autistic and I love this meme so much. It’s like the writers suddenly remembered he’s autistic and thought “ooooo we need to make him have a meltdownyeeeeeeeeee”
@@bros402 i often wobdered how he made it through medical school with all his sensory and social issues at once. I mean i cant deal with loud noises very well and overly bright light, but i can f.e. deal with mildly new situations ok but i need a wing man i can trust than all is ok. or at least have someone drive with me a new Bus Route or situation that is too overwhelming alone. I learnd from pretty young , that nobody will help me. So learned the hard Way ignoring my neurodiversity and be like everybody else , after my diagnosis with 30 it was too late anyway to make huge changes here. I went on with masking untill today, i have to be like everbody wants me to be. So i rarely go out because it drains me , i love meeting people and have no serious social anxity anymore. But it takes all your energy esp. when dealing with authoritys, laws and burocracy. Went this far i became very ill and i had to do all this things on my own , no help from family that needed . I deal with this i have accepted it my fate or some kind of test i have to stand . How long i can go untill someone needs to scratch my body from the road , where i have fainted. In my head constantly plays the " what can go wrong, how i need to react " program when i'm alone in daily life. I relax a bit more when im around friends who als have a look of a crowded situation
i am autistic and penguins are my special interest. one time my husband thought i might be wrong about the type of penguin i identified in a video we were watching. after he looked it up and saw i was (of course) right, i yelled, “i. aM. A PENGUIN EXPERT!!!” lol
Yeah, me too. I'm interested mostly in tech/programming. And that happens when my core believes or my core knowledge are confronted without reason or logic! I had my electricity cut off, and I tried to explain to the technician that I need electricity to work in home, he just cut it without previous notice. I just meltdown repeating that I need to work.
I’m also Autistic! A big interest in anything biological and microscopic, though im not always 100% accurate, i’d say i have my fair share of knowledge amongst many related topics ^^
Hey, I'm not trying to be rude, but why penguins in specific? Can you explain? I have autism and the world is pretty difficult to understand (kind of), and I find penguins pretty boring
Speaking as someone on the spectrum, I think it is less to do with "He doesn't get social cues" and more "he doesn't like change and doesn't have interest in any other field of medicine, so if he isn't a surgeon he may drop being a medical doctor all together and so he is lashing out."
Dr. Mike's comment about never seeing a case where the patient had to cry to advocate their case... that happened to me during my delivery of my first baby. I was in the hospital for three full days with three rounds of Cervidil and Petocin with nothing happening relating to dilation or anything; so much pain with cervix checks, etc. I got to the point of being so tired that I cried to the doctor to do a c-section at that point to which they were still leery to let me keep going in a half-a** labour where nothing was naturally happening. Finally they did it and agreed afterward that my body isn't capable of having a baby naturally so any future babies will be scheduled c-sections. Listen to the patient!! They shouldn't have to cry to make it happen :(
I've read a lot of stories like this one. I feel like women need to express their pain or suffering in a certain way to be heard. Women who can't scream anymore because of having too much pain, will be put away as exaggerating... It's so sad. This really should change
I have had issues with not being heard at the doctors especially at the hospital a few times. The most recent was after my tonsillectomy. We discussed what my sign would be to them to get me started on pain management when I came out and they kept ignoring me as I would update them that my pain had gotten worse. I ended up sobbing and my husband was begging for me so that they would go get me pain meds. It was horrible! I dread to think how bad their care is for people with much bigger problems than tonsillectomy pain.
I'm a man, but I always have to go through this as well whenever I need help, most recently this year. Often my mum helps convincee doctors to do something. So no, men don't get treated differently.
@@OneKnifeYeHand I completely agree, I’ve seen this happen to my husband a bunch too! For a while he just stopped going to the doctor because he’d been brushed off so many times. Luckily the last time I got him to go he found a good doctor who listened and worked on fixing his problems.
Yeah srsly, you really shouldn't have to be crying and screaming in order to get proper treatment. My dad often has chest infections and always takes antibiotics for them since there isn't much else he can do. They go away after a while but from what I know, theres like the few little things that trigger it again. A month or so ago, he felt a chest infection happening again, and because hes had it so often, he knows what it is without needing a disgnosis, but when he went to the doctors to get medicine, they wouldn't give it to him just because they didn't really think it was an infection. My dad really tried telling them it was because he knows the feeling by now and I'm pretty sure my mum tried telling them too but idk Its frustrating seeing stuff like that happen a lot. But in the end, the people with higher power and education who we rely on, are just as human as us in the end. They can be horrible and make many mistakes, their professions don't give them any exception to the natural nature of humanity
Many years ago I saw a documentary about a girl who had complained to her doctor for years about gaining weight despite eating healthy and exercising. I don't remember the details but it turned out to be tumor in her abdomen that had grown to a ridiculous size.
Weight change that doesn't correlate with your behaviour is always something that needs to be looked into. They always talk about sudden weight loss and cancer or thyroid issues. But the other way around is also worrying (although more rare)
@@anthosm It's not even that, there are enough dokus of people having big legs and you can see they are small on the top part and doctors still said it's because of weight and not, in this example case, because of lymphedema. Many doctors just have one solution and that's it. When it's weight, then it's easy even though there are numerous illnesses that have no correlation to the weight. Being obese support many illnesses but it can't be that a person will not be further looked at once they are thicker than normal
As a disabled woman, I have had to advocate and beg and cry to be treated. Even though there's very clearly a medical necessity. Most recently, having 20 UTIs in 19 months
That's so sad. I wonder if it would be different if you were a man. Doctors really should be more aware of their own judgement and be more objective/fair
Same here. I always have to fight SO HARD. We shouldn`t have to get more stressed and sick to get the help we need and fckn deserve as human beings.. yet we`re forced to do so. It`s sickening, both figuratively AND literally.
I had an issue with my uterus. It was not doing me any favors to keep it, was incapable of carrying a pregnancy and was slowly killing me. It took me TEN YEARS to get a doctor that would give me the treatment I actually needed.
I'm a man and I'm not disabled, but I always have to go through this as well whenever I need help, most recently this year. Often my mum helps convincee doctors to do something. So no, men don't get treated differently.
According to Google, specifically the Mirror, doctors in Beijing removed the largest Neurofibroma ever recorded and was 242lbs, which started out as a dark birthmark located on the lower back
@@mlee6050 What does 'proper units' mean in this context? I'm assuming it means a certain kind, but I've never heard the term before so it just sounded hilariously like you hated lbs in particular LOL
I really appreciate the accurate and respectfull explanation of autism at the end. Usually autism is seen as a bad condition, and I feel like The good doctor didn't help in breaking the stereotypes. Despite people appreciating him as a genious, no one wants to be him (or wants their children to grow up like him). He still has so many inaccurate depictures of autism. If this was in real life, he would never have become a doctor or a resident with those poor social skills. And that's the reality and the struggle of many autistic doctors (studying and working).
Aren't all conditions bad? Why are we trying to say any of them are good? "Hey guys, I have diabetes. It's awesome. It's my super power." 🤦🏻♂️ Yall are letting your bleeding hearts eat your brains.
@@lococomrade3488 Well, diabetes is just bad and thats it, but if you're like Shaun (autistic with Savant Syndrom) then you are worse at some things (like social skills) but better at others (performing surgery, perfect memory). Having people whos brains are "specialized" like that can actually benefit society as well. Thats why I dont think Shauns condition is "bad". That's Savant Syndrom though, might be different for ordinary autism...
Doctor Mike's explanation is not great, but it's not outright inaccurate and still have a caring approach to it. I don't blame him, tho, how much can you actually explain of such a complicated condition when it's just a few minutes at the end of a video? So long our humanity ain't stripped I'm good with most of it.
@@Marcel-yu2fw we're just like regular people in that different autistic individuals have different needs and interests. shaun is a stereotype of autism and really shouldn't be used as a base of accuracy in any degree.
@@Marcel-yu2fw as someone on the spectrum, I can say that I definitely have trouble reading social cues and with my emotions and that it an issue you cannot easily overcome. However, many of us develop the ability to ’mask’, which means carefully observing how other people act and mimicking that. It’s one of the reasons why autistic women are often misdiagnosed or are diagnosed late in life, because, other than the ‘typical symptoms’ being male-oriented, women are more likely to ’mask’, not to say that men don’t either. In Shaun’s case, it’s still possible to appreciate his input, however, he’s not someone anyone would actually want to be. And, if he had managed to get that far, then he certainly would not have as much trouble controlling his emotions, because someone who struggled that much would unfortunately not get that far. The issue is that Shaun has clearly been unable to learn enough emotional control to survive medical school, let alone residency. Yes, autism and other neurodivergencies are beneficial to society (my city has a significant engineering presence and has one of the highest rates of autism in the country - autistic people move here for work, then have families), but you do need people skills to do a job like that. It’s a big issue that TV only seems to show either the severe cases or Savants, because it creates a massively negative perception. You can admire a Savant, but you don’t want to be one, as they are portrayed in the media. And being unable to understand social cues can be incredibly frustrating, especially when you find it difficult to express your own emotions. I live in the UK, and sarcasm is a daily thing. I had to learn to smile to convey when I was being sarcastic or joking, because I cannot express it well in my tone of voice. We all have our own strengths, but unfortunately some of us struggle to connect so much that we are not suited for people-facing jobs. Of course, Shaun was just a bad representation, regardless. The section which was made into a meme basically erased any good he did as a character and made him infantile. Most of us have some level of social anxiety and would know that repetition is infantile, and not something you want to convey when you are trying to express how professional you are. And, for the range of autism capable of passing med school, most can probably either control their emotions or are just good enough at it not to throw a hissy fit. After all, even for neurotypical people, med school is stressful enough to necessitate that level of emotional control. Of course, this is a presentation made in collaboration with the asshats at Autism Speaks. Shaun is presented as nothing but a new opinion and a problem. If they wanted to show a positive presentation of autism, then they should consider the fact that when we do make bonds with people, we cherish them sincerely, because they are that much more precious and are hard-won. Or, that we can in fact be very sympathetic. And many other things besides.
6:51 Dr.Mike’s clearly never been in a UK hospital where you have to beg the doctors to actually listen to you instead of just telling you “you’re blood test was normal, and you can stand, go home” 😂😂
@@ALDCBoulevard 1000000% in agreeance with this! I'm struggling with my health as it is right now (i'm in the US) and i've had multiple MRI's on my head to try to figure out wtf is going on. Most of those MRIs have said that I have this condition and I've accepted that I have that because it 100% explains what's going on with me. It practically fit my symptoms to a T. But now this recent MRI is saying that i do NOT have that condition and now we're in a state when i am mentally deteriorating with no explanation and have tried many different drugs and procedures without going extreme. I'm at the point of losing my mind and just wanted to break down because of it all and my doctors don't listen to me. Just to go through all the medical stuff that's going on through me, I've gone through so many specialists for these issues. If they do listen, it feels like it's more managing the symptoms than finding what the root cause is and treating that.
@@ALDCBoulevard Its dependent on the doctor. My family has seen good doctors and abd doctors. Currently we found a great doctor after our old one retired. They take their time talking to you, discussing how your feeling, what options there are, and gauging the values of each option. And if what's going on moves beyond their expertise, they're pretty good and pointing you to a specialist. So don't generalize.
@@justinmcgough3958 you’re definitely right, there are plenty of good doctors out there. It’s just really frustrating when you’re sick and in pain, and doctors don’t seem to listen. It took me finding a good neurologist to actually get a diagnosis. I just wish there were more doctors out there who actually want to help
Exactly. In the UK you have to beg to even be SEEN by a doctor. Getting medical treatment? Unless you’re literally dying, and even then, you’re not getting seen.
I had a 30-lb tumor in 2015. It was an ovarian cyst gone wild. I was told it was most likely growing over a 3-4yr period. I can not imagine anyone having anything larger!
@@mollusckscramp4124 Thank you so much! It did. I have a scar that is from my sternum all the way down pasty belly button. I call it my survivor scar. 🤣
The “I am a surgeon” is a meltdown. (I haven’t watched the show) but from what I know Sean has dedicated his whole life to becoming a surgeon. He knows the field well and he has a lot of passion for it. Having that taken away from him was overwhelming. I’d also like to bring up that rsd (rejection sensitivity disorder)is a common issue that autistic people deal with.
I would have a break down too and Im not even autistic! Imagine busting your ass through hs, then college then medical school all for someone who cant handle autism take that all away from you? I would definitely lose it too.
@@chelseaaguilar2525it's not just someone but the public he serves. Like Dr. mike pointed out, you can't really fault him. Bedside manners matter and is something that is focused on during residency
My brother had NF1. One day a tumour appeared under his arm and grew to the size of a melon. The doctors took so long to remove, it became cancerous, spread to his lungs and ultimately took his life.
6:38 Unfortunately, I myself have had to cry and advocate so hard for myself to get a doctor to do something for my chronic pain. It’s unfortunate, but the reality for many people with chronic conditions.
IKR? It's so frustrating that I can't even describe it. I fell through the cracks and never got diagnosed until adulthood with ADHD and Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (the latter is still being tested, but clinical signs are positive). I'm also (most likely) on the Autism Spectrum, but no money left for testing 😅. Here in Spain, doctors usually think you're either seeking drugs, attention, or documents to get social benefits as a (falsely) disabled person. Some people are, but most are just desperate for help and some quality of life.
Yup, I am autistic myself I can clearly say that Shaun is having a meltdown and I have to say it is not that badly portrayed. I can get it too when I feel someone or something opressing me/doing something against my will and I not see or gets a good explanation why (clear explanations is crucial for us) but I am highly masking so that only happens when I am at home. Beside that, these medical dramas is most often more or less silly, I think and that is why your reacting videos are so fun to wach! 😅
Im autistic and once had a screaming meltdown when my brother opened one of my boxes of Girl Scout cookies. He had three cookies out of the box. My method of not overeating involves not opening things until I am ready to eat them and then I eat and eat until it’s all gone. Since he opened them I had to eat them and I wasn’t ready to! The meltdown came as a huge shock to my family since I am ‘high functioning’ and had never had a meltdown like that before
@@mayxy69Sometimes people can think that they are behaving a meltdown, but actually are just having a panic or anxiety attack. Maybe, if the symptoms get worse, or it affects other people negatively, then you should see a specialist.
I'm autistic, clinically diagnosed through the proper neuropsychological evaluations. I still didn't watch the show so I don't know how good is the autistic representation on it. I know it's a little controversial on the autistic online community, some like, the most vocal seem to hate (not necessarily "most people"). But to be honest, it's a little unsettling to find that this scene has become a "funny" meme. At my age and at the level I'm diagnosed at the spectrum, the character's aggressive reaction is not something I lived in adult life (I did as a child and teenager), but the suffering shown leading to it is actually very real, damaging and present in high stress situations on my life. That suffering was actually one of the major factors that made me stop making UA-cam physics videos a couple years ago (I'm Brazilian and the channel is in portuguese, so this is not a "plugging" attempt, just some facts to illustrate how serious and debilitating these situations and feelings can be). To some higher level autistics, it's actually a very real situation. It makes me a little sad to see that it's something that make people laugh instead of empathize. I'm not trying to start conflicts or commenting on Dr Mike's video and reaction, I'm a big fan of his work and know how empathetic and caring he is, and please keep up the amazing work! Don't see this as anything more then just the expression of something that bothered me about people's general reaction to a well crafted scene showing an autistic meltdown. It hurts a little to see that something that is a very painful experience for us seem intuitively funny to most people.
I'm also autistic and I have ADHD as well. I watched the show before I got my diagnosis and there are many things I relate too with Shaun, (like lights making noise, difficulties with eyecontact, social ques) but there are also things that can be very hurtful. I'm pretty high functioning, so I haven't had public mentdowns like this in a long time. I think the main problem is that Shaun is portrayed as very stereotypical in his autism. It's a very small niche of autistic people that act like him. And the show also says that Shaun is high functioning, which I wouldn't really agree with, and they almost equal autism to savantism. I do appreciate the shows attempt at highlighting our condition, but it could've been done better.
I have spent time in Brazil (I'm from the US), and in my time there, I noticed a marked difference between the acceptance of differences in ability from those where I'm from. Many otherwise very kind Brazilian friends of mine would react very strongly and negatively towards people with disabilities or obvious neurodivergent behaviors. It shocked me having grown up in an integrated school system with a nextdoor neighbor who had a genetic abnormality (similar to Downs). I've always wondered if that was just my unique experience or not.
I'm autistic too, and Brazilian too. And even that is very rare, I still face meltdowns like Shaun's eventually. I don't get why so many people hate this show, for me it depicts most what was my life from 18's to 30's.
@@merrygrammarian1591 As a Brazilian, I can tell you that our society is high-social demanding. For us autists it is a hell in life, because everything here has tons of social cues. I spent almost 20 years training face patterns recognition because I lack a automatic one in my brain, and I'm still mocked when I don't get the right context from peoples expression. I live in southern Brazil were most people has a more neutral way to express, but when I lived in another state, with another culture, people just smile a lot even when sad, I found myself lost in the communications.
Should’ve included the scene where Shaun panicked and left in the middle of a surgery. Iirc that’s the reason why he was moved into pathology for a bit.
If you watched that episode in full, all viewpoints are presented equally. Dr. Marcus tells his viewpoint(which you copied here, classic internet comment), and Dr Lim presented hers. If you can't find something to refute Dr Lim, why are you trying to do?
I think something that needs to be mentioned regarding Andrews' decision to fire Han is that Han was resolved in his position. He didn't think Shaun could cut it as a surgeon, and was utterly convinced that Shaun would be completely dissatisfied in any other position. Han couldn't see any way to make things work with Shaun's presence, the only solution was to fire him; there was no middle ground, there was no alternative. Andrews was similarly resolved in his position; he saw more value in keeping Shaun than in keeping Han. He could have suggested mediation, or something similar, but he also recognised that Han wouldn't have accepted that; it's Han's department, and he wants the freedom to have final say on who is and isn't there. Andrews made the only choice he considered to be viable; to fire Han so that Shaun could be re-hired. This, in itself, was a very important piece of Andrews' personal development as well, as it was, arguably, the most notable instance where he chose to do "the right thing" rather than what was in the best interest of his career, a decision that is somewhat counter intuitive to Andrews personality through a large portion of the series.
he was only angry cause of the blatant discrimination putting him on other tasks when he is the best of the best there.@@tenguman66 honesty I would have screamed at him to.
On the spectrum and I can definitely feel for Shaun. I was at a job once where my performance and was actually the only applicant for a promotion and had seen people less qualified get the chance and was essentially told I needed a personality transplant and I had a sort of sobbing crying Meltdown with my manager after the senior manager left the conference call. Thankfully, it was just a corporate job and I got on with it and found a different path. I cannot imagine a lifelong dream involving as much work and training as a surgeon being snuffed out by a Doctor who can’t deal with autistic people. I think self-advocacy may be one of the hardest things for autistic people to do. As a rule, it is far easier to accept poor treatment than it is to advocate for yourself as an autistic person because the social challenges of autism are going to tend to make the situation worse. In the real world, Shawn’s meltdown ends his career. I think the episode and the Good Doctor raises a very serious question as to how much we really mean all out talk about diversity in the workplace and disability. You want people to bring their whole selves to work. We have an ADA structure of accommodations. How serious are we as a society about all that talk? With a case like Sean’s, he’s got god-like powers as a Surgeon and struggles to get basic understanding and accommodation. That doesn’t speak well for the far more ordinary people on the spectrum and partially explains both the high unemployment and suicide rates in the autistic community. If you’re someone who has never known what it’s like for a condition you were born to slam doors every door in your face, you’re blessed. But that’s not most autistic people’s worlds. I do think the show can be a bit superficial of autism, I think Dr. Mike’s treatment of it was a bit more superficial, particularly a discussion of meltdowns that happens to autistic children. While I don’t think for a typical Good Doctor episode, Dr. Mike should have to do extensive autism research, given that this was the meme nature of a meltdown, he should have some research. Autistic people have meltdowns or shutdowns when emotions or sensory issues become overwhelming. The frequency of them vary from person to person. There are coping methods that can help avoid reaching that point. However, some of these methods of “masking” autistic symptoms can have detrimental effect on long-term well-being. In some ways, Dr.Mike’s somewhat simplistic view of adult autism may come from just viewing Sean as primarily a surgeon who must live up to certain expectations and not as someone trying to function with a neurological physician. Given the number of people who are autistic, I hope Dr. Mike will maybe try to do a more wholistic and accurate look at the condition. Maybe for Autism Awareness Month.😊
I mean, it is fair to point out that surgeons have certain expectations they need to live up to. I don't know pretty much anything about the Good Doctor, but being a surgeon isn't something everyone can do to begin with, no matter how much they want to or how much work they put in. That's just life sometimes. That said, I think Dr. Han's handling of the situation was callous, condescending, and entirely lacking in empathy. He didn't even try to sit down with Sean and go over the options to figure out what department he'd want to be moved to, if anywhere. You know, the way I assume he would with anyone else he wants to transfer. He made the decision for Sean, instead of treating him with basic human respect and talking to him about it. I'm not autistic, and yet I would also have gone off on him for that. Hell, I'd have reacted pretty much the same way as you to that promotion thing. Honestly, I don't put much stock in that flowery "we love diversity" rhetoric to begin with. It's marketing, and it's a way to divert attention from real issues in the workplace. Actually, this need to walk on eggshells with autistic individuals, to avoid offending them, that some people feel is a part of the issue. If someone doesn't know where social boundaries are, telling them when they exceed them-calmly, respectfully, and politely-is crucial. Doesn't matter if they're autistic, or just ignorant of the manners expected in a certain environment or culture. If they don't know what they've done wrong, how they offended someone, how can they possibly learn from it? TL;DR, the issue is that some people treat those with autism like they're less than human, or like they're children (who most people also unnecessarily talk down to). Personally, I've gotten pretty far by doing the opposite. Treat them like people, have some empathy, try to be understanding of their quirks where you can be, and things will work out a lot better.
i was diagnosed late at 19. i had to tell the doctors i thought i was autistic, and was told by several that i couldn't possibly be. i spent the last few years of high school usually unable to attend and cope with the environment, and graduated a year late. we need to try harder to catch cases that don't present in the way sean's does
I have seen doctors and nurses do worse than yell I'M A SURGEON in clinical settings in front of patients and still not get fired, so seeing him get fired over that makes me wonder if the writers have ever worked for an actual hospital system. But maybe i just worked for a really dysfunctional place. *shrug*
I think they were trying to show how Dr. Han was discriminating against Shaun. He looks like the guy that if a neurotypical doctor yells at a patient, for instance, he’d say that they’re burned out. But if an autistic doctor yelled not even in front of a patient bc of being unfairly treated, they’re being unprofessional. I can’t remember his reasons tho, I saw the episode ages ago
@@angelavaleriamedina oh definitely, I know that was the intent, and I don't doubt actual neurodivergent folks face this kind of discrimination in real life. I have just seen farrrrrrr worse public behavior from health care folks. Burnout is definitely a factor, but permissiveness and turning a blind eye to bad behavior is an even bigger one.
I'm not a huge fan of the actor but I do agree there is a trend of trying to make decisions for autistic people. Just because you are autistic doesnt mean you CANT work with people. Many autistics work fine with others. There are just facets of interaction which are not intuitive to autistics. So the idea that an autistic person couldn't be a great surgeon is ridiculous.
@@AKindOfDogI believe the intended purpose of the episode was to show that the MC tendency to look at things objectively and/or in the literal sense wasn't always beneficial to his patients. The MC not understanding the nuance of sex and gender could not look past his objective understanding of sex which was that their were only 2, a male and female which is assigned to a person at birth and so is ignorant of the concept of transgenderism. He is suppose to be taught throughout the episode on the matter. The MC wasn't suppose to come off as being purposefully transphobic and excusing his transphobism via his autism, but the bad writing kinda makes it seem that way.
Frankly the concept that an extremely well-educated medical doctor would be that ignorant about how sex works, "because autism means you see black and white lol!" show how poorly the show understands the concept of autism. Actually autistic people are statistically more like to be trans in some way, to the point there is an entire gender of people who feel like their autism EFFECTS their understanding of their own gender. And a medical doctor, particularly one shown to know so much about the human body, would be well aware that sex is also a spectrum, and about the many (non-consentual) surgeries performed on intersex infants. A medical doctor SHOULD be aware there is more to sex than that, especially one shown to be as well-read and interested in the human body. Someone with a medical special interest not having more than a middle school biology understanding of the human sex spectrum is goddamn absurd. So like the person above me said, just terrible writing across the board in a lot of ways.
Kinda the point of what I was thinking. Mr. Murphy is pretty rude with some of the stuff he says can and does. It's always excuse due to his autism. I watch the show. It's background noise for me. The writing, along with some of the choices made are iffy at best and terrible at worst
@@solitarelee6200You can't say Autistics are more likely to be Trans because there are still a lot of people unaccounted for. And the spectrum runs from Autistic to Aspergers the latter of which is what I am. Genderism is very complex as what we forget is some animals have an active gene that allows them to change sex in response to a lack of the other. So this gene is inactive in other species but for some amongst each species they could be receiving hormones that genetically cause the reality of being a different gender to the body.
So here's the main issue people tend to miss when it comes to his melt down. It isn't just because he has autism that he has the meltdown. Shaun has a toy scalpel as his stim tool that he got him his brother who died in front of him. His father figure who he looks up to after getting away from an abusive family is a surgeon. He's being forced out of a position that helps him feel like he's following not only in his adoptive father's footsteps, but also writing the wrong he sees in his brother dying. You can tell he's still traumatized by it when he starts seeing spiritual hallucinations of his brother. That's not just an autism melt down, it's a traumatic breakdown on top of it. It doesn't take until way way way later in the series that he finally gets to be at peace with losing his brother.
I'm autistic and I have a lot of mixed feelings about the meme and the show in general. While this scene may be funny for some reasons, it's important to remember that autistic people do experience meltdowns and that Freddie Highmore's portrayal of autism is not entirely inacurrate. I wish they had gotten an autistic actor to play the role though. I also wish this scene hadn't become a meme because it makes me nervous, what if a real autistic person had a meltdown in public that resembled this? Would people think it's funny?
My thoughts exactly. Too many ppl in my life (including a past therapist) have called my meltdowns "tantrums." With this meme, maybe ppl will take autistic meltdowns even less seriously :/
@@penslaandco9111 Exactly. I don't support the show, but people didn't need to turn this scene into a meme. It happens in real life and needs to be taken seriously.
It's funny if you only know it as a meme, and less funny when you've watched the show. There's no way to accurately emulate any type of meltdown that an autistic person might have, because each meltdown in the same person would be different, even more so when comparing one autistic persons 'typical' meltdown, to another autistic persons. Freddie was a great actor and a great fit for this role, there'd be a pretty low chance that the studio could cast someone who'd play this scene at the same level. People already think it's funny when autistic people have meltdowns, and people will always find it funny. Drama is entertaining regardless of whether or not the person has autism.
I don’t find it funny. The character is in tears. He’s hurting. People turn it into a meme because the situation makes them uncomfortable. It’s a fictional character, so that seems to make it okay. I would hope they would not laugh in real life, but try to be sympathetic. I know reality it’s different, though. I’m very sorry for that.
as an autistic person, my autistic meltdowns when under too much internal stress + external stress factors (like a person) result in these exact kinds of meltdowns. tears, getting loud, repeating a sentence or so - although i usually end up also hitting myself or ripping my hair. ive luckily avoided the public eye MOST times but id be mortified to find someone laughing or finding it enternatining when i essentially feel so alienated that my only way to get across to a person is to scream the same sentence over and over until it clicks for them :-(
I am 16 and an Arts student. Nothing to do with medical but I love watching your videos! But this is the first time, I didn't understand a single thing that was going on during the surgery. Like words were so complicated! It's amazing how DR. Mike knows so much about this
This channel is not only great for people in medicine, but also amazing for anyone interested or just the general population. It's so well broken down and explained everybody can understand! We all love you Dr Mike!!!!
Agreed, I recently watched the new Avatar trailer and saw that Daniel Dae Kim was in it, I decided to look up some videos of him in action and after watching this, I think he'll do a good job playing Ozai lol.
As a neurodivergent person and a mum to two autistic sons watching this scene ripped my heart out as Shaun could as easily been my eldest. My eldest is gifted and is the spitting image of Freddie. And has had meltdowns similar to Shaun. I didn’t like this show at first. It made me uncomfortable and yes it’s a drama before anything else but I see a lot of my son in Shaun from his blunt opinions to his brain power. My other autistic son is a complete opposite. He’s not confrontational. A gentle giant.
The story has a real-world example. Saw a story of a woman years ago who had a non-cancerous growth on her abdomen that had grown to a similar size. she saw multiple doctors over the course of a decade I think, and every doctor she went to told her there was nothing they could do until finally someone agreed to operate on her. Operation was a success and both she and the doctor were guests on an episode of Oprah that was all about medical miracles.
I remember that case. But, unlike the patient shown in this episode--a happy and healthy actor with a special-effects blob over his abdomen--she was an emaciated wreck because the growth was hogging all her nutrients while contributing nothing. “Benign” doesn’t always mean harmless. A year after surgery, she was plump and healthy.
Woah! Hearing you talk about Neurofibromatosis was so crazy because my mom and three of my siblings have it and it was sooo unknown when i was growing up. thanks for the recognition!
"It's about finding the skill that's right for you" As a vet tech (working to be a veterinarian) who has found something in the field I'm *really* passionate about, it feels good to hear someone else say this. I don't work in the specialty I work in because I don't like people, it was just I didn't mesh well in a client-facing environment dealing with the general populace. I preferred the research setting and the excitement that came with dealing with animals that are changing lives for both people and other pets. It gives me more unique experiences in my day to day and I admit I've learned a lot more than I thought I would dealing with a wider range of species in situations that are unique to each laboratory and investigator.
So as a autistic paramedic. Through counciling and learning that i was different i learned people skills. As a paramedic inhave little emotion and care more sbout the science behind whats going on. Which has allowed me to preform procedures that critical care paramedics wish they could do. Its not a curse in the medical field but a blessing
@@raeraebadfingers well, I dont want to brag, but when I was younger, I could have gone pro. ( Stupid orcs.....I mean it was dark, I dont know what I saw) I have seen my fair share of castles and Inns though.
As a person professionally diagnosed with autism, I haven’t seen enough of the show to make an opinion on whether they portray it accurately or not. What one autistic person does can be very different to what another autistic person does so I imagine this show is accurate for some and inaccurate for others.
I've watched a lot of the show, and watched it before I realized I myself am autistic. It is highly _highly_ stereotypical. It leans into savantism so hard it might as well be sitting on it. Shaun looks more like a caricature of what neurotypicals think autistics look like, than anything close to a real autistic person. He's really just a kinda awkward guy who has sensory issues when the plot calls for it. Don't recommend.
I love The Good Doctor. It's such a good show. While not always accurate, I find it entertaining and interesting! Plus the fact that Daniel Dae Kim (Dr. Han) got to be The Narrator in Peter Pan Goes Wrong in LA was super cool.
Honestly, having your career trajectory drastically changed would rattle most people, right? It must feel horrible when you are passionate about the work you do and someone knocks you down and bars the way to any further success in the field. No one is at their most articulate and 'professional' when under such duress.
yes! also (im 100% sure im autistic) i dont see how he was wrong or too much at all. He was constantly trying and learning and they just kept pushing him down and tell him that he could not do what he wanted to do, he was passionate and fighting for what he wanted and believed in! yes he made people uncomfortable and he had things he needed to work on, but he could and did learn. Also i hardly think every single neurotypical doctor is so great at handle their emotions and be good with patients.. I have met many doctors and more than a few has been complete *sses.
I'm autistic. And for meltdowns I ask people to imagine this situation. Imagine that you are trying to prove to a person that you exists, but the person does not acknowledge you. You keep trying to say that you exists, you are a human. But the person(with a very bad behaviour) just ignores like you are not there. You keep trying, your brain start to loose itself in desperation by the lack of acceptable feedback. You try to scream, you start to automatic start to make faces in a attempt to communicate. Eventually you just start to cry and repeat that you exists. This is mostly what I feel on meltdowns. Even that I only acknowledged(experience the feeling) long after the meltdown ends!
True but still, getting emotional and crying a bit is a BIG difference compared to having a full blown screaming meltdown. As a surgeon you're supposed to be able to handle such stressful situations in a professional way and Sean clearly couldn't, hence the decision from the other doctor
Never heard him swear before! It was pure gold! Perfectly executed. 😂😂😂 as always, excellent job with the Edits Dan/Caroline . I shall now refer to the show as The Good A$$whole 😅
Dr Mike, please make a video on the horrific situation that happened recently in hockey where a player died. A breakdown of what happened and why it was so lethal along with how someone at the scene should try to help. Is it even possible with that bad an injury to save someone? It would also be good to have a trusted source weigh in on neck guards and if they truly help. Thank you for your great content and your time. -Coen
This video was really interesting. I appreciate that you highlighted the importance of social cues in emotional regulation. It can be easy to forget the mirroring and co-regulating that come from these cues.
can a resident actually have their residency major (if that’s the correct terminology) switched by somebody above them? i’d imagine that would be the resident’s choice alone since it’s something that is going to impact their entire career instead of just the position they’re in in that moment, so i don’t know why dr. han was just able to come up to him and say “you’re a pathologist now lol.” i’m not in the medical field but that seems very strange to me
I dont think so, but i do think they have to be offered a place/get a placement and if they dont they can get forced to switch, or atleast change hospital. But i really dont think anyone above them can make that decision for them when they already have a placement. Also this for Shaun is like he has trained for and eduated to drive the crane and build a house, and then the boss comes and tells him to clean the bathroom and says thats all he will do.. sure someone has to do it, but its not what he wants or has trained for and he has every right to be pissed off!
It wasn't a forced switch but what is considered a soft termination. He is no longer a surgeon due to poor fit, and given an alternative suitable role, to which he declined which ultimately means he resigns without any job.
One angle I kinda felt like the show didn't consider is also whether or not Dr. Hans treatment of Shaun could make the Hospital liable for a discrimination lawsuit, considering how Han specifically singled out a surgical resident for his legally acknowledged disability.
I'm often impressed with how "flowy" some of my coworkers manage their social skills and interactions x'D it's kind of a mystery to me. I'm personally fine-isch but a bit awkward but their social awareness seems artistic to me lol while it's completely natural to them
When I was young probably 5-6 years old, I had dental work done. Several years later maybe 17 years old, I had work done on the same tooth, and they found cotton that was left in there from the surgery that was done when I was a child. 8:54 reminded me of that.
I've actually seen a documentary about a case similar to this. It was somewhere in continental southeast asia. This dude was a lot older though, and his tumour was much wider and thinner. After hospital admission, he used it as an improvized bed and even yoga mat at times. It was assumed to have originated from his leg, but actually was located in his tailbone.
As an autistic person, regardless of my views on the show as a whole, seeing people deride and make a meme out of an autistic person having a breakdown due to the frustration of not being able to advocate for themselves reminds me of why we mask so hard and just makes me sad
Yeah like, when I first saw it I didnt think it was objectively the best representation but I really really saw myself in the sense that I have lost all control of my emotions in front of others and sometimes it was even made worse by the fact it was happening in front of others
Hard disagree. The meme was created because people frequently make memes of actors expressing strong emotions, not because it was an autistic person. If it were a neurotypical person having a meltdown repeating the phrase "I am a surgeon", the meme would still have been made. Autistic people deserve to experience all the things that are experienced by neurotypical people, which includes making fun of others - or sometimes - being made fun of.
@@dadadrdadadr But do they actually? Are there memes of actors breaking down and sobbing because they just got fired? Or any other strong negative emotion? I feel like it is only the unusual reactions, which does make this an autistic thing, because a neurotypical person would never have a meltdown that way. They would maybe get mad and walk away while slamming the door, for example
What you said about autistic behaviors near the end I do agree, as someone on the spectrum herself, but just looking at this scene in full now, I will add on that some autistic people have routines and habits that they DO NOT want to break, and if there's sudden change in their lives that interferes with that routine (such as changing to a different job not on your own but by someone else without consent or much warning, even if you think it's in their best interests), that it can result in a reaction like this. Maybe not this... extreme, but emotional yes. I still shake my head at the scene, and I still don't feel sorry for him, though. Literally (because Freddie Highmore isn't autistic himself) and figuratively (because a tv show needs to exaggerate things for drama's sake), he doesn't represent us.
I have to disagree with the "not this extreme." If anything, I find this scene to be a weird middle between normal emotions and a proper meltdown. It absolutely is not as extreme as my meltdowns, and in fact seems quite controlled to me. Probably because it's a minimally educated act.
@@DreamtaleEnjoyerYeah I’ve literally screamed at the top of my lungs after being overstimulated or had a disagrement with someone when I’m already on edge. I have screamed so loud I hurt my own ears and throat. Sadly, ableism comes in many forms even those who experience it themselves. Makes me so ashamed to see other neurodivergent people trying to gatekeep meltdowns like they’re all the same. Or just the gatekeeping mentality in the ND community altogether… it doesn’t make sense.
@@lulub517 Even neurodivergent people are still people, my guy. And people are the worst. Even within their "tribe", whatever it may be, they form cliques, they form social castes, and they find people to look down on. Honestly, I think it can get even worse with ones built around neurotypes, since that's literally people forming a group around mostly how they think and feel, which is inevitably going to lead to gatekeeping for those who think or behave differently from that internal "norm". Also, not understanding someone else's struggles because you haven't had them is just kinda inevitable, because they can't fully understand it. Some people take that one step further, though, and assume any struggle they can't understand is "fake," or "not as bad," or similar tripe. Which is honestly stupid, but no one said people are smart, as a rule. Or, rather, that they're good at imagining other perspectives.
Normally you don’t just fire someone, you’d send them home, suspend them, and escalate this to HR, and resolve this with multiple people; or is it different in a hospital setting?
Dr. Mike said he never saw someone having to beg and cry for their case, but it happened to me when I had been having unexplained bleeding and pain for 10 months and going to multiple obgyns who would literally do the same visit, find nothing, provide no plan going forward and basically making me throw money away in a point in my life where i was already not stable financially, but I just wanted to put my health first. I remember considering the option of just bawling until they'd do something, and I am very much not the kind of person who cries easily, especially if it's to get something, but I was so desperate. I didn't end up doing it because like I said, that's just not the kind of person I am, but I definitely was bawling on my own instead pretty much every night, because I had no idea was was wrong with me and if it was serious considering it was only getting worse. I always felt like they could have just at least tried to make any sort of plan going forward, but I was literally just sent home and told to wait it out and come back if it got worse, only to be told the exact same thing when i would go back because it would get worse. It was honestly one of the worst times of my life
I unfortunately have been in a few situations where getting emotional was all I had and all I could do to advocate for non-visible symptom treatment. I have only cried twice, but on two separate occasions, and those tears were the thing that saved my life in the end.
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I’ve literally had to get on my knees in front of doctors and sob hysterically to get any help. I’d been walking on broken bones and torn muscles for years and nobody wanted to help me. I got to a point where I was forced to become so emotional, they found me annoying and they were forced to do something for me. I’m still fighting them currently for more help.
As a radiography student, I find it funny to see how the residents always perform these radiology exams when in real life that wouldn’t happen 😅 it’s not just a push on a button😂 Also funny how there are 2D ’slices’/images in CT when irl you scroll through the scanned area and look at the whole picture rather than just a slice or two
If you haven't seen necessity of breaking down to have adequate medical care you haven't been to doctor as woman or feminine presenting individual. Everything is either anxiety, weight loss problem or period.
I’m autistic and I love this meme so much. It’s like the writers suddenly remembered he’s autistic and thought “ooooo we need to make him have a meltdownyeeeeeeeeee”
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Don't get me wrong autistic people do have meltdowns but i think once you get older like he is meltdowns arent that often
Apparently I heard that they got their information about autism from Autismspeaks, and if you know what that site says well...
I'm autistic and this show is hilarious with how bad it is
@@bros402 i often wobdered how he made it through medical school with all his sensory and social issues at once. I mean i cant deal with loud noises very well and overly bright light, but i can f.e. deal with mildly new situations ok but i need a wing man i can trust than all is ok. or at least have someone drive with me a new Bus Route or situation that is too overwhelming alone. I learnd from pretty young , that nobody will help me. So learned the hard Way ignoring my neurodiversity and be like everybody else , after my diagnosis with 30 it was too late anyway to make huge changes here. I went on with masking untill today, i have to be like everbody wants me to be. So i rarely go out because it drains me , i love meeting people and have no serious social anxity anymore. But it takes all your energy esp. when dealing with authoritys, laws and burocracy. Went this far i became very ill and i had to do all this things on my own , no help from family that needed . I deal with this i have accepted it my fate or some kind of test i have to stand . How long i can go untill someone needs to scratch my body from the road , where i have fainted.
In my head constantly plays the " what can go wrong, how i need to react " program when i'm alone in daily life. I relax a bit more when im around friends who als have a look of a crowded situation
As a human, he is a surgeon
If he was a fish, he’d be a sturgeon
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I am assuming you can sea your way out
If he was a melee weapon, he’d be a bludgeon
If he was a bird he’d be a pigeon 🐦
If he was a car, he'd be a'mergin'
i am autistic and penguins are my special interest. one time my husband thought i might be wrong about the type of penguin i identified in a video we were watching. after he looked it up and saw i was (of course) right, i yelled, “i. aM. A PENGUIN EXPERT!!!” lol
I am too, but I’m interested in how vehicles work, like the engine components, suspension, or anything that has to do with vehicles.
Yeah, me too. I'm interested mostly in tech/programming. And that happens when my core believes or my core knowledge are confronted without reason or logic!
I had my electricity cut off, and I tried to explain to the technician that I need electricity to work in home, he just cut it without previous notice. I just meltdown repeating that I need to work.
I’m also Autistic! A big interest in anything biological and microscopic, though im not always 100% accurate, i’d say i have my fair share of knowledge amongst many related topics ^^
Hey, I'm not trying to be rude, but why penguins in specific? Can you explain? I have autism and the world is pretty difficult to understand (kind of), and I find penguins pretty boring
I LOVE PENGUINS OMG
Speaking as someone on the spectrum, I think it is less to do with "He doesn't get social cues" and more "he doesn't like change and doesn't have interest in any other field of medicine, so if he isn't a surgeon he may drop being a medical doctor all together and so he is lashing out."
I agree somewhat
the editor clearly loves this job
Clearly
I AM A SURGEON!!
Sam needs a raise lmao
@@NovaissueI agree!
??? wdym
Lets just appreciate the fact that we are blessed with such an educated and talented EDITOR
Is it "give the editor a raise" type of comment?
@@BorisKotkovyes
Dr. Mike's comment about never seeing a case where the patient had to cry to advocate their case... that happened to me during my delivery of my first baby. I was in the hospital for three full days with three rounds of Cervidil and Petocin with nothing happening relating to dilation or anything; so much pain with cervix checks, etc. I got to the point of being so tired that I cried to the doctor to do a c-section at that point to which they were still leery to let me keep going in a half-a** labour where nothing was naturally happening. Finally they did it and agreed afterward that my body isn't capable of having a baby naturally so any future babies will be scheduled c-sections. Listen to the patient!! They shouldn't have to cry to make it happen :(
I've read a lot of stories like this one. I feel like women need to express their pain or suffering in a certain way to be heard. Women who can't scream anymore because of having too much pain, will be put away as exaggerating... It's so sad. This really should change
I have had issues with not being heard at the doctors especially at the hospital a few times. The most recent was after my tonsillectomy. We discussed what my sign would be to them to get me started on pain management when I came out and they kept ignoring me as I would update them that my pain had gotten worse. I ended up sobbing and my husband was begging for me so that they would go get me pain meds. It was horrible! I dread to think how bad their care is for people with much bigger problems than tonsillectomy pain.
I'm a man, but I always have to go through this as well whenever I need help, most recently this year. Often my mum helps convincee doctors to do something. So no, men don't get treated differently.
@@OneKnifeYeHand I completely agree, I’ve seen this happen to my husband a bunch too! For a while he just stopped going to the doctor because he’d been brushed off so many times. Luckily the last time I got him to go he found a good doctor who listened and worked on fixing his problems.
Yeah srsly, you really shouldn't have to be crying and screaming in order to get proper treatment.
My dad often has chest infections and always takes antibiotics for them since there isn't much else he can do. They go away after a while but from what I know, theres like the few little things that trigger it again. A month or so ago, he felt a chest infection happening again, and because hes had it so often, he knows what it is without needing a disgnosis, but when he went to the doctors to get medicine, they wouldn't give it to him just because they didn't really think it was an infection. My dad really tried telling them it was because he knows the feeling by now and I'm pretty sure my mum tried telling them too but idk
Its frustrating seeing stuff like that happen a lot. But in the end, the people with higher power and education who we rely on, are just as human as us in the end. They can be horrible and make many mistakes, their professions don't give them any exception to the natural nature of humanity
Many years ago I saw a documentary about a girl who had complained to her doctor for years about gaining weight despite eating healthy and exercising. I don't remember the details but it turned out to be tumor in her abdomen that had grown to a ridiculous size.
Lots of fat people die because drs look at weight first. I have very little trust in drs because of this.
@@joluvya which is why it's really important for people to have a healthy weight
@@anthosm Because Doctors are stupid?
Weight change that doesn't correlate with your behaviour is always something that needs to be looked into. They always talk about sudden weight loss and cancer or thyroid issues. But the other way around is also worrying (although more rare)
@@anthosm It's not even that, there are enough dokus of people having big legs and you can see they are small on the top part and doctors still said it's because of weight and not, in this example case, because of lymphedema.
Many doctors just have one solution and that's it. When it's weight, then it's easy even though there are numerous illnesses that have no correlation to the weight.
Being obese support many illnesses but it can't be that a person will not be further looked at once they are thicker than normal
As a disabled woman, I have had to advocate and beg and cry to be treated. Even though there's very clearly a medical necessity. Most recently, having 20 UTIs in 19 months
That's so sad. I wonder if it would be different if you were a man. Doctors really should be more aware of their own judgement and be more objective/fair
Same here. I always have to fight SO HARD. We shouldn`t have to get more stressed and sick to get the help we need and fckn deserve as human beings.. yet we`re forced to do so. It`s sickening, both figuratively AND literally.
I had an issue with my uterus. It was not doing me any favors to keep it, was incapable of carrying a pregnancy and was slowly killing me. It took me TEN YEARS to get a doctor that would give me the treatment I actually needed.
I'm a man and I'm not disabled, but I always have to go through this as well whenever I need help, most recently this year. Often my mum helps convincee doctors to do something. So no, men don't get treated differently.
why would it be different. Quit acting like women have it harder than men, like come on now@@Eet0saurus
According to Google, specifically the Mirror, doctors in Beijing removed the largest Neurofibroma ever recorded and was 242lbs, which started out as a dark birthmark located on the lower back
They start as birthmarks and grow into neurofibromas over time. *Only* if you have neurofibromatosis.
Damn, just converted to proper units and it is heavier than me
@@mlee6050 What does 'proper units' mean in this context? I'm assuming it means a certain kind, but I've never heard the term before so it just sounded hilariously like you hated lbs in particular LOL
@@solitarelee6200 I know kg more, as not remember the ounce, pound, stone and how many in each, I know it is like 2.2lb to 1kg
Dont mind me, just panic googling this while trying not to worry about the birthmark on my own lower back.
I really appreciate the accurate and respectfull explanation of autism at the end. Usually autism is seen as a bad condition, and I feel like The good doctor didn't help in breaking the stereotypes. Despite people appreciating him as a genious, no one wants to be him (or wants their children to grow up like him). He still has so many inaccurate depictures of autism. If this was in real life, he would never have become a doctor or a resident with those poor social skills. And that's the reality and the struggle of many autistic doctors (studying and working).
Aren't all conditions bad?
Why are we trying to say any of them are good?
"Hey guys, I have diabetes. It's awesome. It's my super power."
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Yall are letting your bleeding hearts eat your brains.
@@lococomrade3488 Well, diabetes is just bad and thats it, but if you're like Shaun (autistic with Savant Syndrom) then you are worse at some things (like social skills) but better at others (performing surgery, perfect memory). Having people whos brains are "specialized" like that can actually benefit society as well. Thats why I dont think Shauns condition is "bad". That's Savant Syndrom though, might be different for ordinary autism...
Doctor Mike's explanation is not great, but it's not outright inaccurate and still have a caring approach to it. I don't blame him, tho, how much can you actually explain of such a complicated condition when it's just a few minutes at the end of a video? So long our humanity ain't stripped I'm good with most of it.
@@Marcel-yu2fw we're just like regular people in that different autistic individuals have different needs and interests. shaun is a stereotype of autism and really shouldn't be used as a base of accuracy in any degree.
@@Marcel-yu2fw as someone on the spectrum, I can say that I definitely have trouble reading social cues and with my emotions and that it an issue you cannot easily overcome. However, many of us develop the ability to ’mask’, which means carefully observing how other people act and mimicking that. It’s one of the reasons why autistic women are often misdiagnosed or are diagnosed late in life, because, other than the ‘typical symptoms’ being male-oriented, women are more likely to ’mask’, not to say that men don’t either.
In Shaun’s case, it’s still possible to appreciate his input, however, he’s not someone anyone would actually want to be. And, if he had managed to get that far, then he certainly would not have as much trouble controlling his emotions, because someone who struggled that much would unfortunately not get that far.
The issue is that Shaun has clearly been unable to learn enough emotional control to survive medical school, let alone residency.
Yes, autism and other neurodivergencies are beneficial to society (my city has a significant engineering presence and has one of the highest rates of autism in the country - autistic people move here for work, then have families), but you do need people skills to do a job like that.
It’s a big issue that TV only seems to show either the severe cases or Savants, because it creates a massively negative perception. You can admire a Savant, but you don’t want to be one, as they are portrayed in the media. And being unable to understand social cues can be incredibly frustrating, especially when you find it difficult to express your own emotions. I live in the UK, and sarcasm is a daily thing. I had to learn to smile to convey when I was being sarcastic or joking, because I cannot express it well in my tone of voice.
We all have our own strengths, but unfortunately some of us struggle to connect so much that we are not suited for people-facing jobs.
Of course, Shaun was just a bad representation, regardless. The section which was made into a meme basically erased any good he did as a character and made him infantile.
Most of us have some level of social anxiety and would know that repetition is infantile, and not something you want to convey when you are trying to express how professional you are. And, for the range of autism capable of passing med school, most can probably either control their emotions or are just good enough at it not to throw a hissy fit.
After all, even for neurotypical people, med school is stressful enough to necessitate that level of emotional control.
Of course, this is a presentation made in collaboration with the asshats at Autism Speaks.
Shaun is presented as nothing but a new opinion and a problem.
If they wanted to show a positive presentation of autism, then they should consider the fact that when we do make bonds with people, we cherish them sincerely, because they are that much more precious and are hard-won. Or, that we can in fact be very sympathetic. And many other things besides.
6:51 Dr.Mike’s clearly never been in a UK hospital where you have to beg the doctors to actually listen to you instead of just telling you “you’re blood test was normal, and you can stand, go home” 😂😂
It’s the same thing here in the us, doctors don’t listen if your tests are normal, even when you know something is wrong
@@ALDCBoulevard 1000000% in agreeance with this! I'm struggling with my health as it is right now (i'm in the US) and i've had multiple MRI's on my head to try to figure out wtf is going on. Most of those MRIs have said that I have this condition and I've accepted that I have that because it 100% explains what's going on with me. It practically fit my symptoms to a T. But now this recent MRI is saying that i do NOT have that condition and now we're in a state when i am mentally deteriorating with no explanation and have tried many different drugs and procedures without going extreme. I'm at the point of losing my mind and just wanted to break down because of it all and my doctors don't listen to me. Just to go through all the medical stuff that's going on through me, I've gone through so many specialists for these issues. If they do listen, it feels like it's more managing the symptoms than finding what the root cause is and treating that.
@@ALDCBoulevard Its dependent on the doctor. My family has seen good doctors and abd doctors. Currently we found a great doctor after our old one retired. They take their time talking to you, discussing how your feeling, what options there are, and gauging the values of each option. And if what's going on moves beyond their expertise, they're pretty good and pointing you to a specialist.
So don't generalize.
@@justinmcgough3958 you’re definitely right, there are plenty of good doctors out there. It’s just really frustrating when you’re sick and in pain, and doctors don’t seem to listen. It took me finding a good neurologist to actually get a diagnosis. I just wish there were more doctors out there who actually want to help
Exactly. In the UK you have to beg to even be SEEN by a doctor. Getting medical treatment? Unless you’re literally dying, and even then, you’re not getting seen.
I had a 30-lb tumor in 2015. It was an ovarian cyst gone wild. I was told it was most likely growing over a 3-4yr period. I can not imagine anyone having anything larger!
I hope your surgery went smooth and was not too stressful!
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Thank you so much! It did. I have a scar that is from my sternum all the way down pasty belly button. I call it my survivor scar. 🤣
Was it painful?
The “I am a surgeon” is a meltdown. (I haven’t watched the show) but from what I know Sean has dedicated his whole life to becoming a surgeon. He knows the field well and he has a lot of passion for it. Having that taken away from him was overwhelming.
I’d also like to bring up that rsd (rejection sensitivity disorder)is a common issue that autistic people deal with.
I would have a break down too and Im not even autistic! Imagine busting your ass through hs, then college then medical school all for someone who cant handle autism take that all away from you? I would definitely lose it too.
@@chelseaaguilar2525it's not just someone but the public he serves. Like Dr. mike pointed out, you can't really fault him. Bedside manners matter and is something that is focused on during residency
Had not heard of RSD. Will have to research this.
As an autistic person ive never heard of RSD but upon doing some research that is exactly what ive been struggling with for my whole life
THANK YOU! Someone with a brain, someone who understands. The comments are full of IDIOTS trying to slam the show for the meltdown.
Dr Mike. Why did it grow to this size why didnt anyone act on it?
Me: no insurance.
Fr. This kind of thing happens in real life far too often and it’s heartbreaking.
My brother had NF1. One day a tumour appeared under his arm and grew to the size of a melon. The doctors took so long to remove, it became cancerous, spread to his lungs and ultimately took his life.
I'm very sorry for your loss. May his memory be a blessing.
I’m so sorry for ur loss. May he rest in peace 🕊️❤️🙏. But if u don’t mind me asking. When was this?
I'm so sorry for your loss.
Oh, I am so very sorry for your loss. I hate it when doctors make mistakes and it ends up killing someone…
I am so sorry for your loss!! I have NF1 and that has been a fear of mine.
Lets just appreciate the fact that we are blessed with such an educated and talented doctor
🤖
You better be happy you ain't on the streets lil n world
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@@6969Sarazzcould be
Yeah, we're all lucky to have Dr. Shaun Murphy.
6:38 Unfortunately, I myself have had to cry and advocate so hard for myself to get a doctor to do something for my chronic pain. It’s unfortunate, but the reality for many people with chronic conditions.
IKR? It's so frustrating that I can't even describe it. I fell through the cracks and never got diagnosed until adulthood with ADHD and Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (the latter is still being tested, but clinical signs are positive). I'm also (most likely) on the Autism Spectrum, but no money left for testing 😅. Here in Spain, doctors usually think you're either seeking drugs, attention, or documents to get social benefits as a (falsely) disabled person. Some people are, but most are just desperate for help and some quality of life.
Yup, I am autistic myself I can clearly say that Shaun is having a meltdown and I have to say it is not that badly portrayed. I can get it too when I feel someone or something opressing me/doing something against my will and I not see or gets a good explanation why (clear explanations is crucial for us) but I am highly masking so that only happens when I am at home. Beside that, these medical dramas is most often more or less silly, I think and that is why your reacting videos are so fun to wach! 😅
I've had a couple meltdowns at work. It was after Very long shifts when I didn't get to clock out when I was originally scheduled to.
Im autistic and once had a screaming meltdown when my brother opened one of my boxes of Girl Scout cookies.
He had three cookies out of the box.
My method of not overeating involves not opening things until I am ready to eat them and then I eat and eat until it’s all gone. Since he opened them I had to eat them and I wasn’t ready to!
The meltdown came as a huge shock to my family since I am ‘high functioning’ and had never had a meltdown like that before
I'm not autistic but sometimes I do have meltdowns. Should I be worried, or is this like, common for everybody?
@@mayxy69Sometimes people can think that they are behaving a meltdown, but actually are just having a panic or anxiety attack. Maybe, if the symptoms get worse, or it affects other people negatively, then you should see a specialist.
oh, okay, thanks leah
I'm autistic, clinically diagnosed through the proper neuropsychological evaluations. I still didn't watch the show so I don't know how good is the autistic representation on it. I know it's a little controversial on the autistic online community, some like, the most vocal seem to hate (not necessarily "most people").
But to be honest, it's a little unsettling to find that this scene has become a "funny" meme. At my age and at the level I'm diagnosed at the spectrum, the character's aggressive reaction is not something I lived in adult life (I did as a child and teenager), but the suffering shown leading to it is actually very real, damaging and present in high stress situations on my life.
That suffering was actually one of the major factors that made me stop making UA-cam physics videos a couple years ago (I'm Brazilian and the channel is in portuguese, so this is not a "plugging" attempt, just some facts to illustrate how serious and debilitating these situations and feelings can be). To some higher level autistics, it's actually a very real situation. It makes me a little sad to see that it's something that make people laugh instead of empathize.
I'm not trying to start conflicts or commenting on Dr Mike's video and reaction, I'm a big fan of his work and know how empathetic and caring he is, and please keep up the amazing work! Don't see this as anything more then just the expression of something that bothered me about people's general reaction to a well crafted scene showing an autistic meltdown. It hurts a little to see that something that is a very painful experience for us seem intuitively funny to most people.
I'm also autistic and I have ADHD as well. I watched the show before I got my diagnosis and there are many things I relate too with Shaun, (like lights making noise, difficulties with eyecontact, social ques) but there are also things that can be very hurtful. I'm pretty high functioning, so I haven't had public mentdowns like this in a long time. I think the main problem is that Shaun is portrayed as very stereotypical in his autism. It's a very small niche of autistic people that act like him. And the show also says that Shaun is high functioning, which I wouldn't really agree with, and they almost equal autism to savantism. I do appreciate the shows attempt at highlighting our condition, but it could've been done better.
I have spent time in Brazil (I'm from the US), and in my time there, I noticed a marked difference between the acceptance of differences in ability from those where I'm from. Many otherwise very kind Brazilian friends of mine would react very strongly and negatively towards people with disabilities or obvious neurodivergent behaviors. It shocked me having grown up in an integrated school system with a nextdoor neighbor who had a genetic abnormality (similar to Downs). I've always wondered if that was just my unique experience or not.
Yeah. I feel like the original Korean version might be better at that.
I'm autistic too, and Brazilian too. And even that is very rare, I still face meltdowns like Shaun's eventually. I don't get why so many people hate this show, for me it depicts most what was my life from 18's to 30's.
@@merrygrammarian1591 As a Brazilian, I can tell you that our society is high-social demanding. For us autists it is a hell in life, because everything here has tons of social cues. I spent almost 20 years training face patterns recognition because I lack a automatic one in my brain, and I'm still mocked when I don't get the right context from peoples expression.
I live in southern Brazil were most people has a more neutral way to express, but when I lived in another state, with another culture, people just smile a lot even when sad, I found myself lost in the communications.
Should’ve included the scene where Shaun panicked and left in the middle of a surgery. Iirc that’s the reason why he was moved into pathology for a bit.
If you watched that episode in full, all viewpoints are presented equally. Dr. Marcus tells his viewpoint(which you copied here, classic internet comment), and Dr Lim presented hers. If you can't find something to refute Dr Lim, why are you trying to do?
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I think something that needs to be mentioned regarding Andrews' decision to fire Han is that Han was resolved in his position. He didn't think Shaun could cut it as a surgeon, and was utterly convinced that Shaun would be completely dissatisfied in any other position. Han couldn't see any way to make things work with Shaun's presence, the only solution was to fire him; there was no middle ground, there was no alternative.
Andrews was similarly resolved in his position; he saw more value in keeping Shaun than in keeping Han. He could have suggested mediation, or something similar, but he also recognised that Han wouldn't have accepted that; it's Han's department, and he wants the freedom to have final say on who is and isn't there. Andrews made the only choice he considered to be viable; to fire Han so that Shaun could be re-hired.
This, in itself, was a very important piece of Andrews' personal development as well, as it was, arguably, the most notable instance where he chose to do "the right thing" rather than what was in the best interest of his career, a decision that is somewhat counter intuitive to Andrews personality through a large portion of the series.
so the higher-ups play favorites and ignore all the clear signs of an unstable person?
And then Shaun later melts down in a surgical room, proving Dr. Han right...
Han doesnt fire Shaun for his "condition"; Han fires him because his erratic behaviour and meltdown.
he was only angry cause of the blatant discrimination putting him on other tasks when he is the best of the best there.@@tenguman66 honesty I would have screamed at him to.
Can we just acknowledge that Dr. Han is literally handsome Squidward?
On the spectrum and I can definitely feel for Shaun. I was at a job once where my performance and was actually the only applicant for a promotion and had seen people less qualified get the chance and was essentially told I needed a personality transplant and I had a sort of sobbing crying Meltdown with my manager after the senior manager left the conference call. Thankfully, it was just a corporate job and I got on with it and found a different path. I cannot imagine a lifelong dream involving as much work and training as a surgeon being snuffed out by a Doctor who can’t deal with autistic people.
I think self-advocacy may be one of the hardest things for autistic people to do. As a rule, it is far easier to accept poor treatment than it is to advocate for yourself as an autistic person because the social challenges of autism are going to tend to make the situation worse. In the real world, Shawn’s meltdown ends his career.
I think the episode and the Good Doctor raises a very serious question as to how much we really mean all out talk about diversity in the workplace and disability. You want people to bring their whole selves to work. We have an ADA structure of accommodations. How serious are we as a society about all that talk? With a case like Sean’s, he’s got god-like powers as a Surgeon and struggles to get basic understanding and accommodation. That doesn’t speak well for the far more ordinary people on the spectrum and partially explains both the high unemployment and suicide rates in the autistic community. If you’re someone who has never known what it’s like for a condition you were born to slam doors every door in your face, you’re blessed. But that’s not most autistic people’s worlds.
I do think the show can be a bit superficial of autism, I think Dr. Mike’s treatment of it was a bit more superficial, particularly a discussion of meltdowns that happens to autistic children. While I don’t think for a typical Good Doctor episode, Dr. Mike should have to do extensive autism research, given that this was the meme nature of a meltdown, he should have some research.
Autistic people have meltdowns or shutdowns when emotions or sensory issues become overwhelming. The frequency of them vary from person to person. There are coping methods that can help avoid reaching that point. However, some of these methods of “masking” autistic symptoms can have detrimental effect on long-term well-being.
In some ways, Dr.Mike’s somewhat simplistic view of adult autism may come from just viewing Sean as primarily a surgeon who must live up to certain expectations and not as someone trying to function with a neurological physician. Given the number of people who are autistic, I hope Dr. Mike will maybe try to do a more wholistic and accurate look at the condition. Maybe for Autism Awareness Month.😊
I mean, it is fair to point out that surgeons have certain expectations they need to live up to. I don't know pretty much anything about the Good Doctor, but being a surgeon isn't something everyone can do to begin with, no matter how much they want to or how much work they put in. That's just life sometimes.
That said, I think Dr. Han's handling of the situation was callous, condescending, and entirely lacking in empathy. He didn't even try to sit down with Sean and go over the options to figure out what department he'd want to be moved to, if anywhere. You know, the way I assume he would with anyone else he wants to transfer. He made the decision for Sean, instead of treating him with basic human respect and talking to him about it. I'm not autistic, and yet I would also have gone off on him for that. Hell, I'd have reacted pretty much the same way as you to that promotion thing.
Honestly, I don't put much stock in that flowery "we love diversity" rhetoric to begin with. It's marketing, and it's a way to divert attention from real issues in the workplace. Actually, this need to walk on eggshells with autistic individuals, to avoid offending them, that some people feel is a part of the issue. If someone doesn't know where social boundaries are, telling them when they exceed them-calmly, respectfully, and politely-is crucial. Doesn't matter if they're autistic, or just ignorant of the manners expected in a certain environment or culture. If they don't know what they've done wrong, how they offended someone, how can they possibly learn from it?
TL;DR, the issue is that some people treat those with autism like they're less than human, or like they're children (who most people also unnecessarily talk down to). Personally, I've gotten pretty far by doing the opposite. Treat them like people, have some empathy, try to be understanding of their quirks where you can be, and things will work out a lot better.
But He is a Surgeon!!!!!😭
But is he
He is a metalpipe
If you’re talking about Dr. Mike, he’s actually a family medicine doctor not a surgeon
@@mrjunkpunk3207he's talking about Shawn Murphy that plays a surgeon on the good doctor
i was diagnosed late at 19. i had to tell the doctors i thought i was autistic, and was told by several that i couldn't possibly be. i spent the last few years of high school usually unable to attend and cope with the environment, and graduated a year late. we need to try harder to catch cases that don't present in the way sean's does
The editors need an Oscar mike, really the edit never disappoints. Especially the meme part😂😂😂
My favorite! 🤣🤣🤣
@lilyrosegretchen I know right, I laughed my ass off.
That has to be my favorite part of the video
I have seen doctors and nurses do worse than yell I'M A SURGEON in clinical settings in front of patients and still not get fired, so seeing him get fired over that makes me wonder if the writers have ever worked for an actual hospital system. But maybe i just worked for a really dysfunctional place. *shrug*
I think they were trying to show how Dr. Han was discriminating against Shaun. He looks like the guy that if a neurotypical doctor yells at a patient, for instance, he’d say that they’re burned out. But if an autistic doctor yelled not even in front of a patient bc of being unfairly treated, they’re being unprofessional. I can’t remember his reasons tho, I saw the episode ages ago
@@angelavaleriamedina oh definitely, I know that was the intent, and I don't doubt actual neurodivergent folks face this kind of discrimination in real life. I have just seen farrrrrrr worse public behavior from health care folks. Burnout is definitely a factor, but permissiveness and turning a blind eye to bad behavior is an even bigger one.
7:41 "I'm not a surgeon and yet i have figured this out"
Says the doctor
I can't believe YT forced a 3 minute long scam commercial on me before it would show me Dr. Mike! Three minutes and no "skip"!!
What??? That's wild.😵😵
I'm not a huge fan of the actor but I do agree there is a trend of trying to make decisions for autistic people. Just because you are autistic doesnt mean you CANT work with people. Many autistics work fine with others. There are just facets of interaction which are not intuitive to autistics. So the idea that an autistic person couldn't be a great surgeon is ridiculous.
@@AKindOfDogI believe the intended purpose of the episode was to show that the MC tendency to look at things objectively and/or in the literal sense wasn't always beneficial to his patients. The MC not understanding the nuance of sex and gender could not look past his objective understanding of sex which was that their were only 2, a male and female which is assigned to a person at birth and so is ignorant of the concept of transgenderism. He is suppose to be taught throughout the episode on the matter. The MC wasn't suppose to come off as being purposefully transphobic and excusing his transphobism via his autism, but the bad writing kinda makes it seem that way.
Frankly the concept that an extremely well-educated medical doctor would be that ignorant about how sex works, "because autism means you see black and white lol!" show how poorly the show understands the concept of autism. Actually autistic people are statistically more like to be trans in some way, to the point there is an entire gender of people who feel like their autism EFFECTS their understanding of their own gender. And a medical doctor, particularly one shown to know so much about the human body, would be well aware that sex is also a spectrum, and about the many (non-consentual) surgeries performed on intersex infants. A medical doctor SHOULD be aware there is more to sex than that, especially one shown to be as well-read and interested in the human body. Someone with a medical special interest not having more than a middle school biology understanding of the human sex spectrum is goddamn absurd. So like the person above me said, just terrible writing across the board in a lot of ways.
Kinda the point of what I was thinking. Mr. Murphy is pretty rude with some of the stuff he says can and does. It's always excuse due to his autism.
I watch the show. It's background noise for me. The writing, along with some of the choices made are iffy at best and terrible at worst
@@solitarelee6200You can't say Autistics are more likely to be Trans because there are still a lot of people unaccounted for.
And the spectrum runs from Autistic to Aspergers the latter of which is what I am. Genderism is very complex as what we forget is some animals have an active gene that allows them to change sex in response to a lack of the other. So this gene is inactive in other species but for some amongst each species they could be receiving hormones that genetically cause the reality of being a different gender to the body.
The thing is, if any other doctor had made the mistakes shaun made, they would be fired. It’s not specifically because he’s autistic.
You know you're a doctor if you feel weird saying "viral" 😂
the entire rest of the video: *actually educating ppl*
12:16 - 12:35 : *PURE CHAOS*
I looked it up and yes, neurofibroma can grow that large. The largest recorded I could find weighed 17 stone -- 108kg.
Thank you Dr Mike for also using everyday words to help us
So here's the main issue people tend to miss when it comes to his melt down. It isn't just because he has autism that he has the meltdown. Shaun has a toy scalpel as his stim tool that he got him his brother who died in front of him. His father figure who he looks up to after getting away from an abusive family is a surgeon. He's being forced out of a position that helps him feel like he's following not only in his adoptive father's footsteps, but also writing the wrong he sees in his brother dying. You can tell he's still traumatized by it when he starts seeing spiritual hallucinations of his brother. That's not just an autism melt down, it's a traumatic breakdown on top of it. It doesn't take until way way way later in the series that he finally gets to be at peace with losing his brother.
I'm autistic and I have a lot of mixed feelings about the meme and the show in general. While this scene may be funny for some reasons, it's important to remember that autistic people do experience meltdowns and that Freddie Highmore's portrayal of autism is not entirely inacurrate. I wish they had gotten an autistic actor to play the role though.
I also wish this scene hadn't become a meme because it makes me nervous, what if a real autistic person had a meltdown in public that resembled this? Would people think it's funny?
My thoughts exactly. Too many ppl in my life (including a past therapist) have called my meltdowns "tantrums." With this meme, maybe ppl will take autistic meltdowns even less seriously :/
@@penslaandco9111 Exactly. I don't support the show, but people didn't need to turn this scene into a meme. It happens in real life and needs to be taken seriously.
It's funny if you only know it as a meme, and less funny when you've watched the show. There's no way to accurately emulate any type of meltdown that an autistic person might have, because each meltdown in the same person would be different, even more so when comparing one autistic persons 'typical' meltdown, to another autistic persons. Freddie was a great actor and a great fit for this role, there'd be a pretty low chance that the studio could cast someone who'd play this scene at the same level.
People already think it's funny when autistic people have meltdowns, and people will always find it funny. Drama is entertaining regardless of whether or not the person has autism.
I don’t find it funny. The character is in tears. He’s hurting.
People turn it into a meme because the situation makes them uncomfortable. It’s a fictional character, so that seems to make it okay. I would hope they would not laugh in real life, but try to be sympathetic. I know reality it’s different, though. I’m very sorry for that.
as an autistic person, my autistic meltdowns when under too much internal stress + external stress factors (like a person) result in these exact kinds of meltdowns. tears, getting loud, repeating a sentence or so - although i usually end up also hitting myself or ripping my hair. ive luckily avoided the public eye MOST times but id be mortified to find someone laughing or finding it enternatining when i essentially feel so alienated that my only way to get across to a person is to scream the same sentence over and over until it clicks for them :-(
I am 16 and an Arts student. Nothing to do with medical but I love watching your videos! But this is the first time, I didn't understand a single thing that was going on during the surgery. Like words were so complicated! It's amazing how DR. Mike knows so much about this
This channel is not only great for people in medicine, but also amazing for anyone interested or just the general population. It's so well broken down and explained everybody can understand! We all love you Dr Mike!!!!
Agreed, I recently watched the new Avatar trailer and saw that Daniel Dae Kim was in it, I decided to look up some videos of him in action and after watching this, I think he'll do a good job playing Ozai lol.
This is why I love Dr Mike he just shows educational stuff and as a young teen I learn a lot of stuff from him
I taught high school and caught at least one of my freshmen sneakily watching this in my class. DR MIKE WHY HAVE YOU BETRAYED ME!?
As a neurodivergent person and a mum to two autistic sons watching this scene ripped my heart out as Shaun could as easily been my eldest. My eldest is gifted and is the spitting image of Freddie. And has had meltdowns similar to Shaun. I didn’t like this show at first. It made me uncomfortable and yes it’s a drama before anything else but I see a lot of my son in Shaun from his blunt opinions to his brain power. My other autistic son is a complete opposite. He’s not confrontational. A gentle giant.
I love watching the good doctor shaun has came such a long way from the very first episode 😄:) i wish i had photographic memory 😭✨
god im glad i dont, my brain does not need any help remembering my most embarassing moments like they happened yesterday 🤧
@@ronil2186You mean you don't?
I also wished that I do have a photographic memory ✨
Editor clearly, lives and loves the job
The story has a real-world example. Saw a story of a woman years ago who had a non-cancerous growth on her abdomen that had grown to a similar size. she saw multiple doctors over the course of a decade I think, and every doctor she went to told her there was nothing they could do until finally someone agreed to operate on her. Operation was a success and both she and the doctor were guests on an episode of Oprah that was all about medical miracles.
I remember that case. But, unlike the patient shown in this episode--a happy and healthy actor with a special-effects blob over his abdomen--she was an emaciated wreck because the growth was hogging all her nutrients while contributing nothing. “Benign” doesn’t always mean harmless. A year after surgery, she was plump and healthy.
It was probably Dr McKay McKinnon. He’s world renowned for removing huge tumors.
Dr. Mike saying, " That's mad drastic!" made my day. 😊
"Why didn't anyone act on it?"
Doctors in my experience have been like, if it isn't killing you, I'm not interested, next patient
Woah! Hearing you talk about Neurofibromatosis was so crazy because my mom and three of my siblings have it and it was sooo unknown when i was growing up. thanks for the recognition!
Hello fellow NF Person!
Decided to watch this while on the treadmill at the gym… I died laughing at the editors part and got stared at 😂
"It's about finding the skill that's right for you"
As a vet tech (working to be a veterinarian) who has found something in the field I'm *really* passionate about, it feels good to hear someone else say this. I don't work in the specialty I work in because I don't like people, it was just I didn't mesh well in a client-facing environment dealing with the general populace. I preferred the research setting and the excitement that came with dealing with animals that are changing lives for both people and other pets. It gives me more unique experiences in my day to day and I admit I've learned a lot more than I thought I would dealing with a wider range of species in situations that are unique to each laboratory and investigator.
So as a autistic paramedic. Through counciling and learning that i was different i learned people skills. As a paramedic inhave little emotion and care more sbout the science behind whats going on. Which has allowed me to preform procedures that critical care paramedics wish they could do. Its not a curse in the medical field but a blessing
You are blessed Dr
Much love
One of my old high school friends has neurofibromatosis. He tells everyone the scars from the removals on his leg are from a shark attack.
If I ever get them removed, I'm stealing this. Maybe a different animal since I don't want to give sharks a bad name.
@@sleepyote I would too but my only one so far is so clearly a surgical scar I don't think anyone would believe me.
Mine was because I took an arrow to the knee.
@@keaphoto1 did you used to be an adventurer?
@@raeraebadfingers well, I dont want to brag, but when I was younger, I could have gone pro. ( Stupid orcs.....I mean it was dark, I dont know what I saw) I have seen my fair share of castles and Inns though.
Doctor Mike we need more house MD! I loved your reactions to them
I get excited everytime I hear shows and people talk about Neurofibromatosis
I AM SO HAPPY THAT YOU CAME BACK TO THIS SERIESSSS
As a person professionally diagnosed with autism, I haven’t seen enough of the show to make an opinion on whether they portray it accurately or not. What one autistic person does can be very different to what another autistic person does so I imagine this show is accurate for some and inaccurate for others.
completely agree!
completely agree!
I've watched a lot of the show, and watched it before I realized I myself am autistic. It is highly _highly_ stereotypical. It leans into savantism so hard it might as well be sitting on it. Shaun looks more like a caricature of what neurotypicals think autistics look like, than anything close to a real autistic person. He's really just a kinda awkward guy who has sensory issues when the plot calls for it. Don't recommend.
@@DreamtaleEnjoyer I relate to some of what I’ve seen of the show but definitely not all. It is very savant-heavy more than autism.
I love that show and I never knew there was a meme made out of it, knowing that just makes me kinda sad 😭
I love The Good Doctor. It's such a good show. While not always accurate, I find it entertaining and interesting! Plus the fact that Daniel Dae Kim (Dr. Han) got to be The Narrator in Peter Pan Goes Wrong in LA was super cool.
Honestly, having your career trajectory drastically changed would rattle most people, right? It must feel horrible when you are passionate about the work you do and someone knocks you down and bars the way to any further success in the field. No one is at their most articulate and 'professional' when under such duress.
yes! also (im 100% sure im autistic) i dont see how he was wrong or too much at all. He was constantly trying and learning and they just kept pushing him down and tell him that he could not do what he wanted to do, he was passionate and fighting for what he wanted and believed in! yes he made people uncomfortable and he had things he needed to work on, but he could and did learn. Also i hardly think every single neurotypical doctor is so great at handle their emotions and be good with patients.. I have met many doctors and more than a few has been complete *sses.
True.
Yes! I am autistic, but in that situation I believe literally anyone could react that way (or even more strongly).
I'm autistic. And for meltdowns I ask people to imagine this situation.
Imagine that you are trying to prove to a person that you exists, but the person does not acknowledge you. You keep trying to say that you exists, you are a human. But the person(with a very bad behaviour) just ignores like you are not there. You keep trying, your brain start to loose itself in desperation by the lack of acceptable feedback. You try to scream, you start to automatic start to make faces in a attempt to communicate. Eventually you just start to cry and repeat that you exists.
This is mostly what I feel on meltdowns. Even that I only acknowledged(experience the feeling) long after the meltdown ends!
True but still, getting emotional and crying a bit is a BIG difference compared to having a full blown screaming meltdown. As a surgeon you're supposed to be able to handle such stressful situations in a professional way and Sean clearly couldn't, hence the decision from the other doctor
You know what's wild i just started watching "The good doctor" and watched this meme episode and now you're reacting to it
It's quite funny
Dr Mike makes the best medical video ever
he really does!
Never heard him swear before! It was pure gold! Perfectly executed. 😂😂😂 as always, excellent job with the Edits Dan/Caroline . I shall now refer to the show as The Good A$$whole 😅
As someone with NF1, I appreciate you talking about some of the impact of it!
DAMNNNNNNN Doctor mike being totally savage in this video!! totally loved it
Dr Mike, please make a video on the horrific situation that happened recently in hockey where a player died. A breakdown of what happened and why it was so lethal along with how someone at the scene should try to help. Is it even possible with that bad an injury to save someone? It would also be good to have a trusted source weigh in on neck guards and if they truly help. Thank you for your great content and your time.
-Coen
I need so much more of these videos. I’d binge watch these as if I was watching the show but this is more entertaining
This video was really interesting. I appreciate that you highlighted the importance of social cues in emotional regulation. It can be easy to forget the mirroring and co-regulating that come from these cues.
can a resident actually have their residency major (if that’s the correct terminology) switched by somebody above them? i’d imagine that would be the resident’s choice alone since it’s something that is going to impact their entire career instead of just the position they’re in in that moment, so i don’t know why dr. han was just able to come up to him and say “you’re a pathologist now lol.” i’m not in the medical field but that seems very strange to me
I dont think so, but i do think they have to be offered a place/get a placement and if they dont they can get forced to switch, or atleast change hospital. But i really dont think anyone above them can make that decision for them when they already have a placement. Also this for Shaun is like he has trained for and eduated to drive the crane and build a house, and then the boss comes and tells him to clean the bathroom and says thats all he will do.. sure someone has to do it, but its not what he wants or has trained for and he has every right to be pissed off!
I doubt it.
It wasn't a forced switch but what is considered a soft termination. He is no longer a surgeon due to poor fit, and given an alternative suitable role, to which he declined which ultimately means he resigns without any job.
One angle I kinda felt like the show didn't consider is also whether or not Dr. Hans treatment of Shaun could make the Hospital liable for a discrimination lawsuit, considering how Han specifically singled out a surgical resident for his legally acknowledged disability.
I'm often impressed with how "flowy" some of my coworkers manage their social skills and interactions x'D it's kind of a mystery to me. I'm personally fine-isch but a bit awkward but their social awareness seems artistic to me lol while it's completely natural to them
When I was young probably 5-6 years old, I had dental work done. Several years later maybe 17 years old, I had work done on the same tooth, and they found cotton that was left in there from the surgery that was done when I was a child. 8:54 reminded me of that.
I've actually seen a documentary about a case similar to this.
It was somewhere in continental southeast asia. This dude was a lot older though, and his tumour was much wider and thinner. After hospital admission, he used it as an improvized bed and even yoga mat at times.
It was assumed to have originated from his leg, but actually was located in his tailbone.
I AM A SURGEONNNN
As an autistic person, regardless of my views on the show as a whole, seeing people deride and make a meme out of an autistic person having a breakdown due to the frustration of not being able to advocate for themselves reminds me of why we mask so hard and just makes me sad
Yeah like, when I first saw it I didnt think it was objectively the best representation but I really really saw myself in the sense that I have lost all control of my emotions in front of others and sometimes it was even made worse by the fact it was happening in front of others
Hard disagree. The meme was created because people frequently make memes of actors expressing strong emotions, not because it was an autistic person. If it were a neurotypical person having a meltdown repeating the phrase "I am a surgeon", the meme would still have been made. Autistic people deserve to experience all the things that are experienced by neurotypical people, which includes making fun of others - or sometimes - being made fun of.
The actor himself isn't autistic, and the show supports autism speaks.
And that is exactly why I feel like this show didn't help to bring awareness or break the stereotypes
@@dadadrdadadr But do they actually? Are there memes of actors breaking down and sobbing because they just got fired? Or any other strong negative emotion? I feel like it is only the unusual reactions, which does make this an autistic thing, because a neurotypical person would never have a meltdown that way. They would maybe get mad and walk away while slamming the door, for example
When the patient said "thank ya'll so much" with that dying voice tone I cracked.
I've never seen this series but the screens with text and information popping up reminds me of BBCs Sherlock with Benedict Cumberbatch xD
Who else misses dr Melendez and dr brown 😢
What you said about autistic behaviors near the end I do agree, as someone on the spectrum herself, but just looking at this scene in full now, I will add on that some autistic people have routines and habits that they DO NOT want to break, and if there's sudden change in their lives that interferes with that routine (such as changing to a different job not on your own but by someone else without consent or much warning, even if you think it's in their best interests), that it can result in a reaction like this. Maybe not this... extreme, but emotional yes. I still shake my head at the scene, and I still don't feel sorry for him, though. Literally (because Freddie Highmore isn't autistic himself) and figuratively (because a tv show needs to exaggerate things for drama's sake), he doesn't represent us.
I have to disagree with the "not this extreme." If anything, I find this scene to be a weird middle between normal emotions and a proper meltdown. It absolutely is not as extreme as my meltdowns, and in fact seems quite controlled to me. Probably because it's a minimally educated act.
@@DreamtaleEnjoyerYeah I’ve literally screamed at the top of my lungs after being overstimulated or had a disagrement with someone when I’m already on edge. I have screamed so loud I hurt my own ears and throat.
Sadly, ableism comes in many forms even those who experience it themselves. Makes me so ashamed to see other neurodivergent people trying to gatekeep meltdowns like they’re all the same. Or just the gatekeeping mentality in the ND community altogether… it doesn’t make sense.
@@lulub517 Even neurodivergent people are still people, my guy. And people are the worst. Even within their "tribe", whatever it may be, they form cliques, they form social castes, and they find people to look down on. Honestly, I think it can get even worse with ones built around neurotypes, since that's literally people forming a group around mostly how they think and feel, which is inevitably going to lead to gatekeeping for those who think or behave differently from that internal "norm".
Also, not understanding someone else's struggles because you haven't had them is just kinda inevitable, because they can't fully understand it. Some people take that one step further, though, and assume any struggle they can't understand is "fake," or "not as bad," or similar tripe. Which is honestly stupid, but no one said people are smart, as a rule. Or, rather, that they're good at imagining other perspectives.
Imagine cancelling someone's hopes and dreams in life, and then going "I don't know why he's so emotional and angry".
Pick up *THAT* social cue
The editing is ON POINT
Normally you don’t just fire someone, you’d send them home, suspend them, and escalate this to HR, and resolve this with multiple people; or is it different in a hospital setting?
Apparently, it's different in a TV hospital setting.
He was transferred to the Pathology dept.
@@syediftikharali8771 He was then fired after having had his meltdown.
Fun fact for any gamers here: Dr Han is played by the same guy who played Johnny Gat in the Saints Row series!
Fun fact, Dr. Surgeon is played by the same guy who played Norman Bates in Bates Motel
@@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780maybe Norman is on the spectrum llol
And the voice of Metron in Justice League Unlimited.
That's so cool! Loved playing the first two Saints Row games, and Johnny was one of my favorite characters
Fun fact: I’m here and I’m played by me
He’s such a great actor though. Feels like raw emotion in that bit.
I waited for this video to come and finally it did W Dr Mike
Dr. Mike never disappoints with his content. 🔥☺️
Dr. Mike said he never saw someone having to beg and cry for their case, but it happened to me when I had been having unexplained bleeding and pain for 10 months and going to multiple obgyns who would literally do the same visit, find nothing, provide no plan going forward and basically making me throw money away in a point in my life where i was already not stable financially, but I just wanted to put my health first. I remember considering the option of just bawling until they'd do something, and I am very much not the kind of person who cries easily, especially if it's to get something, but I was so desperate. I didn't end up doing it because like I said, that's just not the kind of person I am, but I definitely was bawling on my own instead pretty much every night, because I had no idea was was wrong with me and if it was serious considering it was only getting worse. I always felt like they could have just at least tried to make any sort of plan going forward, but I was literally just sent home and told to wait it out and come back if it got worse, only to be told the exact same thing when i would go back because it would get worse. It was honestly one of the worst times of my life
The meme part was Legendary bro editor done a 100000000000/10
I love this scene 😍
the fact that dr. han is the former chief of sugery and the executive producer of the show at the same time makes me laugh what a crossover
Daniel Dae Kim its not only a executive producer, besides he is the shows co-creator, in association with David Shore
Lets just appreciate the fact that we are blessed with such an educated and talented doctor❤❤❤
Thank you for the wonderful video!
I love this actor
I unfortunately have been in a few situations where getting emotional was all I had and all I could do to advocate for non-visible symptom treatment. I have only cried twice, but on two separate occasions, and those tears were the thing that saved my life in the end.
LMFAO you need to let your editor rip more often xD holy cow I laughed so dang hard.
My favorite meme with that clip is "dads cutting the umbilical cord" 😂
i love how the editor remembered he edits and has creative freedom 😭
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I’ve literally had to get on my knees in front of doctors and sob hysterically to get any help. I’d been walking on broken bones and torn muscles for years and nobody wanted to help me. I got to a point where I was forced to become so emotional, they found me annoying and they were forced to do something for me. I’m still fighting them currently for more help.
As a radiography student, I find it funny to see how the residents always perform these radiology exams when in real life that wouldn’t happen 😅 it’s not just a push on a button😂 Also funny how there are 2D ’slices’/images in CT when irl you scroll through the scanned area and look at the whole picture rather than just a slice or two
the meme supercut is :chefs_kiss:
love the editor!
If you haven't seen necessity of breaking down to have adequate medical care you haven't been to doctor as woman or feminine presenting individual. Everything is either anxiety, weight loss problem or period.
Or not drinking enough water. Or „menopause“
Exactly what I was going to say!
You forgot the psychosomatic thing, or: it's all in your head, don't worry, everything is working just fine.