That's an excellent in-depth explanation However it seems to me that hardly anyone knows about this or practices this considering the amount of views, the fact that I've never seen it and the fact that I've had a my first lessons on long lines from an IKO certified school. That makes me wonder, especially the last point
Hi Klaire. This is how I understand it... When I started kiting, the only kites we had were 2-lines. So we needed those long lines, on smaller kites (and at first bigger bidirectional boards) to get the power we needed for waterstarting. As the efficiency and depowerability of kites improved, we saw line lengths go from 40m down to 30 down to 27, then 24 etc. I believe the main reason why people still use longer lines than necessary is just inertia and ignorance. Most instructors learned on longer lines, and that's all they know. And I've noticed many kite instructors are so sure of themselves that they can't (or won't) take on new information :) ua-cam.com/video/63wED_ZS3zo/v-deo.html It's a part of human nature. When we first started experimenting and learning about how to use shorter lines 15-20 years ago, we got a lot of criticism from instructors who hadn't even tried them lol. And, it's nice to see many years later, that the IKO has started to catch up on some of these short line teaching techniques.
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply in detail. I had watched the link you sent me and understand about the human behavior Thang. I will still continue to use my 8m lines as they are working for me. Keep you posted and once again THANK YOU!
how about bars? shouldn't it be short and small, so the kite with shorter lines doesn't move that quick. A bar with low V? which bars are simple 4 line bars to look into and cut the lines? thanks
I think that with bar length, there's a lot of room for personal preference. On most kites you can also slow down the turn response by changing the back line settings on the kite, if you want that. It's a trade-off: A slower-turning kite may feel more stable, but also takes longer and is more difficult to correct and restabilise when it goes out of control. And yes you definitely need a single line flagout system with a low V to use short lines, please see 14:45 to 15:30. We use Airush, it's good for that and for changing line lengths.
Pretty much. The shorter the lines, the smaller the power zone & the more responsive ("twitchier") the kite becomes. The only limitation as explained in the video is that when the wind is very light, flying the kite can be more difficult on very short lines (e.g. 5m)
Finally someone gives up the secret to learning how to kite without the fear of dying .. well done. SHORT LINES ARE THE SECRET!
Thanks! Yes, figuring out how to use short lines has helped us make the process easier, faster, and safer...
@@matt-0teachings952 Well ya. lol
@@pickleforknwiggles634 and way less stressful for student and instructor :)
Thank you for sharing this. It is an understatement to say it is an eyeopener. Best regards from the rookie :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
good stuff - a born teacher
That's an excellent in-depth explanation
However it seems to me that hardly anyone knows about this or practices this considering the amount of views, the fact that I've never seen it and the fact that I've had a my first lessons on long lines from an IKO certified school. That makes me wonder, especially the last point
as it turns out, an IKO certification doesn't mean all that much...
just asking the question... why do kiters go to the need of having to have longer lines anyway?
Hi Klaire. This is how I understand it... When I started kiting, the only kites we had were 2-lines. So we needed those long lines, on smaller kites (and at first bigger bidirectional boards) to get the power we needed for waterstarting. As the efficiency and depowerability of kites improved, we saw line lengths go from 40m down to 30 down to 27, then 24 etc.
I believe the main reason why people still use longer lines than necessary is just inertia and ignorance. Most instructors learned on longer lines, and that's all they know. And I've noticed many kite instructors are so sure of themselves that they can't (or won't) take on new information :) ua-cam.com/video/63wED_ZS3zo/v-deo.html It's a part of human nature.
When we first started experimenting and learning about how to use shorter lines 15-20 years ago, we got a lot of criticism from instructors who hadn't even tried them lol. And, it's nice to see many years later, that the IKO has started to catch up on some of these short line teaching techniques.
Thanks for that.
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply in detail. I had watched the link you sent me and understand about the human behavior Thang. I will still continue to use my 8m lines as they are working for me. Keep you posted and once again THANK YOU!
how about bars? shouldn't it be short and small, so the kite with shorter lines doesn't move that quick. A bar with low V? which bars are simple 4 line bars to look into and cut the lines? thanks
I think that with bar length, there's a lot of room for personal preference. On most kites you can also slow down the turn response by changing the back line settings on the kite, if you want that. It's a trade-off: A slower-turning kite may feel more stable, but also takes longer and is more difficult to correct and restabilise when it goes out of control. And yes you definitely need a single line flagout system with a low V to use short lines, please see 14:45 to 15:30. We use Airush, it's good for that and for changing line lengths.
Hi Matt, out of curiosity, where is your kite school located ?
Mui Ne, Viet Nam. Contact info is on the page also: www.vietnam-kitesurf.com
Good onya Matt :) LEGEND!
haha thanks :)
So that's it shorter= more control
Pretty much. The shorter the lines, the smaller the power zone & the more responsive ("twitchier") the kite becomes. The only limitation as explained in the video is that when the wind is very light, flying the kite can be more difficult on very short lines (e.g. 5m)
@@matt-0teachings952 yeah but obviously for beginners thats the way to go. But thats cool
Also: ua-cam.com/video/LwxSk-FnnS8/v-deo.html