Yeah I agree with that! I think the revival, if it had gone that way, would have been so much better! Taking out the revival, team Logan for sure!! Thanks for commenting!
@@ImagineOther laugh all you want but marriage is a big commitment and it shows to me that you have no idea how it works or what it takes to be married.
She could if she went to therapy and figured out who is and what she wants. Most of her decisions and wishes come from Lorelei (yeah i get its not conscious) but they both had no blundaries and melted in one person basically. Rory needed distance from her mother and granparebts judt to figure out who she really is and what she really wants. Plus she needs to fix her trauma from absent father. But Rory didnt do any if it, so it makes sense she said no to Logan. She is not ready for any commitment and thinks its not what she really wants.
Dean was great for a 1st boyfriend, like Rory said she taught her safety. Logan was perfect for Rory, they both grew to be better in the course of the relationship. Jess, I really don't understand why people think his perfect, they hardly had a relationship 😅
If Dean was still season one dean then I could put it off as like teanage angst and immaturity, for me once Dean gets married while still pining for Rory and then cheats thats when he really lost me. I totally agree with you that her and Jess didn't really have like a fully fleshed out relationship by any standards. From what I can tell, most people like him the best because once you include a year in the life, he really has matured and grown the most.
I don’t get the love for Rory and Jess. I’ve just rewatched that season and that relationship was horrible. Jess was a terrible boyfriend but great as a friend. He didn’t need to have a girlfriend he was too immature, selfish, and had a lot of issues to work out. They definitely should’ve remained friends only because he would made a better actual partner later in life with growth and maturity and healing.
Jess is definitely my favourite character out of the boys, but I feel very strongly that him and Rory were NOT good together. Maybe they would have been at another time, but at that time? Nah. I liked Dean at the beginning, they had a very wholesome first relationship but it was obvious that she was going to outgrow him at some point (and I'm doing a rewatch now and I'm right through s5 and the dean part 2 and weeellll... to me that is just Rory clinging to her past at a time when she's maybe struggling a little bit to find her way in college? maybe?). I guess I'm team Logan in the sense that I did enjoy their relationship the most out of the three. Logan could definitely keep up with Rory, and unlike the other boys he never put Rory on a pedestal. He challenged her to get out of her comfort zone and he welcomed her challenging him as well. He's far from a perfect character, but I always felt they were a good match!! at least while in college.
Ohhh I really like that you pointed out Logan never put Rory on a pedestal. I think you're so right! Overall the other two put her way too high up and didn't really allow for any faults. Also, yeah I agree about Jess. I like them kinda in theory, but especially now because they're related....nah!
Dean really wasn’t that bad, but as they grew up, it became increasingly obvious that weren’t compatible. Jess was a wild teenager in the early seasons but really grew up and got a grip on himself, which is more than one can say for Rory. And he always and consistently brought out the best in Rory, he inspired and motivated her always. Logan was fun and objectively the best match for Rory, but also brought out her entitlement and self-righteousness and it bothered me. Tristan was an irredeemable immature jerk. Poor Paul in the revival was a cruel writers’ joke.
Yeah out of all of them I definitely feel the worst for Paul, he deserved better! Also, I agree Dean wasn't that bad at the beginning, he really lost me when he got married and then cheated. Also, I do think Rory brought the best out in Jess too, but Jess matured the most on his own and at the end became the most healthy version of himself while Logan we saw mature and then really backslide by the time the reboot came out!
I liked first season Dean. He was nice to them both and he understood Rory really well and the mother/daughter relationship. I didn’t like How Jess was first introduced with how he tried to get involved with Rory while she was with Dean. I do like that he was nice to her and they were both interested in reading but he was on the rough side with his relationship with everyone else. I loved him when he finally out grew his rebellious hating the world stage. I didn’t like Logan for most of the series. I liked that he was smart like Rory and he wanted to take care of her. He didn’t take anything serious though and just wanted to party and have fun. The whole life and death brigade and skipping school to drink and party or pull some wild stunt was just too much in my opinion. I didn’t like how everyone treated and forgot about Paul, he seemed like a genuinely nice guy that nobody tried to remember. My favorite guy for Rory after everything was over was Jess. though I agree she was too good for him in the beginning and he was too good for her in the end. I hope this made sense
I an getting sick and tired of young fans crapping on Rory life. Is your life perfect. Did you make or did stupid shot growing up as a teenager. So Flippin what if Rory is struggling or not successful in life it happens. I am probably 20 x older then you are and I am struggling in life and my marriage isn't perfect. Rory can't prefer how her life can go can you do that. No ones life is perfect. And I think Amy is saying that.
I think that Rory had trouble accepting being loved for three very specific reasons 1. She was abandoned by Christopher. A man who comes and goes from your life as he pleases is in fact no man at all and I think that alone affected Rory both mentally and emotionally. When he was forced to raise Gigi on his own after Sherry left, I think Rory felt a lot of resentment towards her sister for him being in her life consistently, as opposed to sporadically. You can't be a "whenever I feel like it" parent. That's not how life works. 2. Lorelai's inconsistencies in her own love life very likely had a part to play as well. Lorelai was never stable in ANY of her relationships and even cheated on Luke with Christopher. Eventually, Lorelai made things work with Luke but still it likely left its mark. 3. This one should have probably been number one. Lorelai's codependency on Rory. She had little in her own life after Rory went away to college. She was so used to having Rory around that she was entirely lost without her and vice versa. The panic of having no one once Rory left, made her somehow even more clingy I feel with the constant phone calls, Rory couldn't even hack it when she left for college and needed her mom to spend the night with her. Neither one I feel knew how to function without the other and it was incredibly unhealthy. Just my two cents.
Yeah I agree! I think i Chris was more mature and had been in her life throughout her life it would have created way more stability and a healthier response from Rory when things didn't go as planned. Also I agree that not seeing a healthy relationship from Lorelai showed, again, no example of what to do, but only an example of potentially what to do or what not to do. Also for your third point I do agree they were slightly too codependent, I kinda understand from the point that Lorelai had Rory so young that she didn't really have the maturity herself to learn how to have a balance between mom and friend. I think that as we get older our parents do transition more into a friend role, but that role too young in Rory's life just makes things confusing.
The more I listen to the analysis the more I see the similarities in the Gilmore Guys, especially Tristan, Jess and Logan. They all had parents who clearly didn’t take care of them and I think that’s why they lashed out one way or another… I feel like the writers did Dean dirty. In my opinion they didn’t feel like it was enough for Rory to fall for another guy and them splitting amicably. I think that’s why they turned Deans character basically into a simpleton. Overall I am team Logan - however I think that had they gotten married Logan would’ve taken a role in her life similar to Emily and Richard in the original show: a loving source of money who constantly tells her how awesome she is.
I totally agree! I think they did Dean super dirty with his character. I wish they had just been like "We're getting older and don't connect" as opposed to having them cheat and Dean basically be very toxic by the end. I think your analysis is spot on! I'm interested to see what you think of Lorelai's guys. I'm working on that video now!
Canadian Dean was booted. I imagine he wouldve been a less aggro man. I feel like Rory's character loves having the validation of being admired, but doesn't really invest in/respect her partner unless they challenge her.
Rory and Logan were the best together. And i liked Rory the best in Yale years. I believe they reconnect after some time together. I dont see revival as a canon. But as fan service its sweet to watch. I still enjoyed it ;)
Dean and Logan were good for Rory in the beginning but terrible in the end when both relationships ended because it was based off an affair. However, Jess was terrible in the beginning but good for her in the end. The question to me isn't who is Rory's best boyfriend because that isn't relevant to the present and the future but rather is based off of past memories. The question however is based on where we ended the story which guy is best suited for a proper relationship with Rory? Is it a married man (Dean), an engaged man (Logan) or a single man (Jess). The answer is clear as day.
Did you notice that Rory has trouble accepting love? She seems to be more content in Stars Hollow with her mom than being immersed in a long-term relationship with any of these guys. She really doesn’t need any of them (or a real career) as she knows that she will always have money and a place in society that the Gilmore name (and family money) provides her. I feel she is extremely self -centered. Her best choice would have been Logan-he was her societal equal, something that really was important to Rory (unlike her mom). Thanks for an excellent assessment.
I agree with you in that she doesn't know really how to accept love. I think we learn that in season one and I wish we had seen more growth in that throughout the seasons, but truly it was harder to watch her not really have grown too much in a lot of areas in the reboot. I agree she fit best with Logan in the original show, but seeing them together in the reboot felt hard to watch. I think Jess was much more on her side and more her equal in the reboot. Thank you so much for your thoughtful comment! I appreciate it!
In my opinion, Jess was the best for her because he truly cared for, respected, encouraged and supported Rory in every way. Yeah, he ran off thinking that he wasn't good enough for her and saw himself in a negative light, but over time, he grew and became better for it all. If she had taken him back and gave him a chance in the original show, I think that they would have grown and become even better together. The worst is a harder decision for me simply because I despised both Logan AND Dean for separate reasons. Dean was super immature by jumping into a relationship still having had feelings for Rory and that in no way was fair to Lindsay or Rory. When she decided to date Logan he decided to be a miserable, bitter ass then as well. As if she wasn't just a teenager who decided she had feelings for someone else. Also, in the revival, he seemed to have gotten his shit straight but we didn't see much from him so I can't form an opinion there. Logan is a mess all around. Sleeping with someone while engaged to someone else? Yeah not okay on either Logan or Rory's part, especially since they were grown and knew better. It's just trashy and gross. Also, he still had that "I'm so much better than everyone" air about him even in his 30s. Ughhhh
Yeah I think they ruined Dean and Logan at different times. Dean as soon as he cheated was basically not reversible as a character, and Logan in the reboot. I think that's a reason why Rory in the later seasons for me was so hard to follow because she basically just kept cheating with old boyfriends...like move on! She has so much potential as a person, just move on and do you, you know. I think you're also right about Jess...he's my second favorite character in the reboot, after Emily! I like how he's grown and learned from past mistakes, unlike other characters.
@@AVintageJoy I still find it so sad that the dude who played Richard died in real life before the reboot even took place. I would have loved to see how his character played out too.
I personally really appreciated Logan’s arc through the end of the show but then the hairpin turn at the season 7 finale was so disappointing. Like, his whole arc set him up to have a “I hear what you’re saying with your proposal rejection and I completely understand you aren’t ready to give up your career now that it’s about to start, so let’s hold off the engagement conversation for a couple of years but stay together since we’re both happy.” But that isn’t what happened. Also, the Palladino’s shared that they didn’t watch season 7 so it was clearly difficult to make the characters make sense without knowing where they left off IMO. Lastly, I think the reboot would have made more sense and been more enjoyable if it had taken place right after season 7. The fact that ASP was so dead set on the reboot being the ending she always envisioned for them, rather than reworking it to make it make sense as 10 years later did not work in the reboot’s favor. Instead it felt like fan service to shove every minor character they could get to come back so we could see their “epilogue” while forcing the main characters into the box that would have been their season 7 arcs. So it felt like everyone had just been stunted for 10 years, never changing or learning anything new in that time, and we picked them back up where they left off emotionally.
I totally agree! It's hard to watch when it would have made more sense in my brain if it had been just after the show, but agreed! 10 years after does feel stunted for some characters for sure! I wish we would have seen more growth between 7 and the revival, but if they didn't watch season 7 that makes sense why it almost feels disjointed between the two!
Plus Logan and Rory always found solution to any trouble they had. I agree that Logan would probably discuss with Rory after her 'no' some way that would suit them at that moment. Or at least he would say more than just "Whats the point. Goodbye rory".
I love the scene where jess tells her this is not her, leaving Yale and all that, cause he knows her better than anyone deep down, when she's not trying to please some guy or her grandparents or stuff. He knows she loves books and learning.
Yes! Agreed!! That's such a brutal scene, but I think she really needed to hear it! She needed someone, like you said, who knew what she wanted to do and she needed someone to remind her of that!
@@AVintageJoy Yes, and I feel like if anyone else would have told her that, she wouldn't have heard it. In fact Logan told her that she would't last with this cause she loves learning and books and she didn't even hear it. But when Jess told her, it hit her like a train because he's the no bullshit guy, he just says it like he sees it. She knew he meant every word. They really had a connection beyond friendship or relationship. I wouldn't be surprised if these two end up together later on.
@@monio.9444 Right agreed! Also he's someone who knew her when she was really someone to be looked up to and was passionate about learning and her goals, and then we he saw her again she really had lost that passion. I think you're so right!
I don't understand why people keep saying that Logan is Christopher when that's not how I saw it at all. Logan had one similarity with Christopher and that's the fact that Logan is rich. Logan wouldn't leave a pregnant Rory by herself to give birth and raise the child alone if he knew about it. By the end of ayitl it's clear that Logan and Rory still love eachother. Rory doesn't want to tell Logan to leave Odette because she's scared of rejection and Logan doesn't want to make the first move and get rejected again. I think that Rory is a mix of Emily and Lorelei so Rory needs someone she can share both sides with and that's Logan which is obvious by the end of season 7.
I feel like Amy had an obsessive grip on her 'full circle' story to the detriment of the characters. From the Pilot, she envisaged Rory's life mirroring Lorelai's, and despite the fact that Rory really outgrew that role as the show progressed, they started to turn her character around from S4 onwards so she could eventually fall from grace like her mother. Logan as a character outgrew the 'Christopher' role which he was perhaps originally intended for; but, as the Palladinos were set on him being Rory's Chris, to the disservice of his character, they stuck him in that box by making him the father of her baby and suggesting that he would always be her 'what if'. So I don't necessarily think that Logan was actually like Christopher, but I do think that's the way we're meant to view him. In the same way, Jess isn't really anything like Luke, but the revival shows him still pining after Rory so we're meant to suddenly make the connection. I'm fully team Jess and even I think that's a lil dumb and out of character for him lol. Imo that's the biggest weakness of the show's writing overall: they just sucked at killing their darlings. Sometimes ideas simply have to die, and it makes me so upset to watch Rory's life go off the rails because the writers ceased to view her as a person after a while and instead used her as a plot device for their oh-so-clever full circle story.
wow, people just don't mention how Jess sexually assaulted Rory at a party and got angry when she luckily managed to push him off. like it's not a big deal. what would have happened if she had been paralized from shock and fear not being able to push him off? still team jess? the guy literally writes one book and gets a job connected to his interests and everyone is ready to applaud. seriously? is the bar so low?
I don’t remember the scene as he sexually assaulted her, he got his signals mixed in my opinion, and when Rory spoke up and nudged him off, he got off her, and stormed out. She had already spoken to Lorelai about how she thought she was ready to go there with Jess. The only thing I think she didn’t like about it was it was in Kyle’s bedroom, otherwise I don’t think she would have had an issue with it, so I don’t think he ever sexually assaulted Rory. I’m not a huge team Jess fan by the way and still don’t see it that way.
It was uncomfortable end of story. He was already riled up before, it was a mess. I don’t think going into the nitty gritties helps either. It was off. Especially for people in a relationship. No
I'm team Jess because I love his personality and the chemistry between him and Rory but he was a terrible boyfriend. I have had a boyfriend like him and I left him because of his behaviors. Their intellectual affinity was great but not enough, he becomes the one for Rory when he solves his issues, indeed in season 6 he shows to worry about Rory leaving Yale instead of worrying only about himself.
I totally agree it’s nice to see him more mature by season six, but definitely in season two their intellectual affinity was definitely not enough! I’m so sorry you had to go through that, but I’m glad that you’re out of that situation!
Definitely respect team Paul!! He deserved way better! It really bugged me how they all forgot about him over and over, like he's so nice to you and then you're just going to forget him? Not a funny bit if you ask me!
i like the story about Paul because it reminds me of The schwa was here, a book about a kid who is unnoticeable and fears he will disappear. and because the Paul story is relatable for me (though exaggerated).
I watched this show as a teen, so with many things I didn't find fault with Dean. I remember thinking "say you love him you fool!" And I didn't realise his jealousy and anger wasn't healthy. I did however think Dean should carry most of the burden for cheating. He was the one who married, now Rory is culpable too because I think she only wanted him cus she couldn't have him. I felt Dean needed to dump Rory sooner, it was obvious they weren't in the same road and had little in common. I actually think Jesse was extremely damaged thanks to his upbringing, he has never ever seen a healthy relationship. He probably couldn't be honest because I'm sure his role models were probably irresponsible liars. It actually makes sense that he runs out on Rory in the end, if anything they needed to explore what happened after to Rory. How didn't this bring up more hurt, she's a girl who was abandoned by her biological father! How could this not make her think "I'm not good enough, nobody loves me or wants me." The Marty story line was actually good because when she said she didn't want him romantically....then he had to draw a line. I will never forget when he said he didn't want to watch Duck Soup cus it will create memories and he won't be able to watch it again. He could have agreed to keep her as a friend BUT secretly still hope for more. They never could have been friends. Logan to me has little redeeming qualities. I don't see what she liked about him? Yes he was wealthy, Rory wasn't raised to be around that crowd.
I agree. When cheating happens, it's two people involved! Unless one side doesn't know the other is in a relationship, unlike in this case where she knew. I like that Marty and Rory didn't date, I do wish they had showed Rory in an actual friendship with a guy and not have it be like "he wants to date her". Thanks for commenting! Also, I think Rory and Logan do have a lot in common when it comes to writing, their both very witty, and both are very well read from what I can tell. I like how we see him grow over the show, but I didn't like him at the beginning either really.
@@AVintageJoy i just wish we saw Rory with more friends, period. that's why i love the episodes with Lucy and Olivia. we finally saw a bit of Rory just hanging out. whatever happened to that other walkman+reading girl?
@@RilianSharp I know!! I wish we had seen a friendship between the two of them! That is the same actress who is in Cinderella story as one of the step sisters, I'm pretty sure 😂
Jess is definitely my favorite of rory's boyfriends because I really enjoyed how much his character grew and turn his life around I did like dean at first but over time I grew to hate him he and rory definitely weren't compatible I really liked Tristan sucks he was only on the show for one season because It would had been interesting seeing him evolve but that did leave room for Jess to come along
totally agreed! I was very team Dean at the beginning, but once we even get into season two, Dean really starts to fall apart! Team Jess due to character development! Totally agree!
Everyone is quick to forget how downright nasty Jess was to Rory when she took him to meet Emily. Ironically, Emily was the NICEST to him she had ever been to anyone on the show! And he still acted rude, abrasive, downright confrontational, and threw it all back in Rory's face. He didn't care. That episode is what really solidified to me that Jess is not right for Rory. It got worse when he shows up at her dorm saying how well he knows her, how she should run away with him. Like he clearly had no idea what Rory wanted and what her priorities were, he was being so selfish in that moment veiled as a big romantic gesture. He is much better without Rory. He improved and grew as a person without her. I wish he would move on and stop pining for her.
I totally agree! Jess was definitely in the wrong in meeting her grandparents, and trying to almost guilt her to run away with him. I do also with Jess had moved on more in AYITL. Idk if they were trying to set up like almost a luke/lorelai round 2 scenario or what, but I wish we had seen them become friends or something and he would have moved on. I do think he's the most healthy and if I have to pick a "team" in AYITL he's my team, but i totally agree that I wish we had seen him move on from her by then! Thanks for commenting! Love to hear your view!
Personally, I agree that Jess was rude when invited to dinner with Emily and Rory. He is a troubled kid and although that should not excuse his behavior, I don't believe he was really taught good manners. Again, he was very rude and should have been more kind, especially if he really does love Rory. The problem I had with this was that Dean broke it off with Rory because of the whole "he doesn't fit in", and it almost felt repetitive that Jess kind of did the same thing with Rory's extended family (Emily). Now, for the "running off to New York thing", I respectfully disagree a bit. I don't remember the exact episode, but there is a moment with Rory and Logan where Logan spontaneously asks Rory to go to New York with him. It might be the episode before Jess shows up and presents his book he wrote to Rory. Rory does say yes though with Logan when he wants to "run off" with her for a moment. I think Jess does know Rory, and his priority was to bring the spontaneity to Rory's life, although I think she was overwhelmed in that moment. He knows Rory well enough to know she is a great writer and that she needs to write about what she is passionate about (her mother and her), via the reboot. I do love though that Jess had such a wonderful character development, and I don't know entirely if he would have gotten it if he still were with Rory. I just think it was right person, but wrong timing. I believe now with the reboot, I think Jess and Rory should end up together. When Jess was supportive and concerned when Rory dropped out of college, I think he needs to be that rock for her again when she does not know where she is in her 30s. Thank you for reading :) Let me know what you think!
i have always been team jess. till s4, i wan irrationally team jess, but after s6 and the revival, hes the only choice. and even though nobody asked, i always see people bring up the kyle party scene to diss on jess. i have to be honest, i hated him in that scene and it was so out of character, not something jess would ever do. and this is my actual thought about that scene. i will make this very clear. jess was completely in the wrong here. but, terming it as 'sexual assault' isn't exactly right either cuz there's a lot of gray area here and the situation is highly complicated. here's why. firstly: two episodes before this, we see rory talking to lorelai about how she wants her first time to be with jess, so it wasn't like she didn't want to have sex with jess, she just didn't want to do it at that party and u can see that after she pushes and jess gets off she says 'not here. not now.' She didn't ask 'why did u do it?' She said this wasn't the right time and i completely agree with her. jess should have stopped at the first 'wait'. Secondly: u can see jess never had any prior thoughts of having sex with her that evening at all, his thoughts were elsewhere and he wasn't trying to take advantage of her, it was a hasty decision that he made. and technically he didn't force himself on her. they both started kissing each other and rory got down on the bed by her own and jess saw it as a hint to go forward and started to try to unzip her pants but as soon as she said 'wait' he should have stopped. I say it again, he should have stopped. thirdly: i'm not that sure abt this point cuz im not mature or experienced enough but i've seen some people say that rory didn't clearly say 'no'. she said 'jess, wait' and the way she called out his name, it could be seen as a miscommunication in intimacy where jess took it as a sign for her wanting him to continue. i don't know how much of it is true and it's not my opinion at all but i can see why people say that. again 'wait' means 'wait'. he should've stopped for a second and at least asked her why. Fourthly: even after this incident, rory talks to lorelai in the car and she says nothing abt jess suddenly wanting to have sex that last night, she only tells her about how he won't open up at all. If she was truly uncomfortable abt jess wanting to have sex with her, she would've told lorelai or at least we would have seen her being affected by that. rory doesnt seem as affected by the fact that jess wanted her to have sex as much as she is affected by the fact that jess never communicates properly. this is because she wanted to have sex with him too but not at kyle's party. thats the difference and jess shouldve completely respected her decision. The above statements were not made to defend jess at all and i wanna be clear that this is not me justifying him or minimizing his actions. all these above statements were made only to explain the grayness of the situation and how the case isn't as black and white to simply term it as 'assault'. again, it was totally jess's fault and he was obviously going through a lot but that can't be used as a justification here. i can also see that as soon as he yells at her he realizes it was a mistake and says "you didn't do anything" and it is clear he would have apologized to rory if dean hadn't meddled. now about dean. yall are praising him for being like a knight in shining armour or something, i don't get it. he wasn't wrong to ask rory what happened when he saw her coming out of the room crying. but he was so wrong to start a fight with jess when he had no clue what had happened. It doesn't matter jess deserved it or not. dean is not her bf anymore. he didn't know anything abt what happened and he just took advantage of this situation to get back at jess. this was clearly a problem between rory and jess and they could've talked it out if dean didn't come in. like when dean broke up with rory in public, jess didn't start beating up dean for humiliating rory in public cuz he knew it was a problem between them both and they were to sort it out. Imagine that in s6, when rory tells jess that logan cheated on her, if jess had gone up and beaten logan for it, it would've been completely inappropriate cuz jess wasnt her bf at that time and he would have no right to meddle in like that. and dean here although was right to inquire abt rorys well being was a jerk for starting the fight with jess. And jess was messed up for behaving to rory like that. finally, if jess's whole point was just to have sex, soon after this incident, he would have just gone to some other girl to do it with. but, he never did. even after 15 years, he never moved on to another woman. he clearly loved her immensely more so than any of her other bfs. This night at kyle's party, he only looked for comfort in rory and thought he could forget abt his problems for a while by having sex with rory. But, he was wrong. He should have talked to her, he should have communicated openly. this was his lowest point and his behaviour can't be justified. but, he didnt have bad intentions all along, it all was just a result of bad and hasty decison making.
One thing I didn’t like about the whole Dean hating Jess was the fact that Rory was friends with him and wanted Dean to get along with him but he said nope fine with the hating him. Like please get over yourself he’s a troublesome kid but make an effort in trusting your girlfriend, especially when she says nothing was wrong. Since Jess came to Stars Hallow Rory was trying constantly to not have a fight with Dean. One example being when Rory Jess and Paris are at her house eating and then Dean stops by she pushes Jess out because she would rather not have fight with him about it. Dean was always the macho man like this is mine don’t step into my territory with Tristan and Jess. Jess I understand because Rory was a little more nice to him than she was to Tristan but Dean still got into a fight with Rory over Tristan being in a school project. I don’t like the fact that she had to constantly defend herself as to not cause a fight with him.
As a mom of 3 I can say fatigue is a major sign if pregnancy. I think that was the writer's wink and nod to her already being pregnant. When she fell asleep during her interview in New York. She was already pregnant when she went to funky town with the wookie
Are you not forgetting the fact that Jess attemped SA on Rory? Or that he just left without as much as a word? Or that he dropped out of school without telling anyone? So while Jess had huge growth (good for him) it still does not excuse any of his actions
I obviously don't think any of those are good character traits, or positives at all!! I do think people can mature and grow though, so in that way, like you said, good for him!
Dean was sweet for a first boyfriend but he became way too possessive as their relationship went on. Not to say Rory didn’t play into by lying to herself and Dean about her real feelings but still. I feel like Jess had a lot potential and compatibility with Rory but he was not at all mature enough or ready for a relationship and it was pretty toxic to start how he was constantly circling around her while she was in a relationship. In the end, I stand by Logan being the best guy for Rory. She allowed herself to relax and breathe around him and he grew and matured with her. He was also pretty unpretentious outside of his slacker rich friends. Like when he was generous with his money it came from a genuine place and not to brag. I particularly liked the weekend at Martha’s Vineyard where he without question and without holding it over him gave Luke a necklace to Luke to give to Lorelei. Literally didn’t Eve bring it up again.
Yes Jess is of course more like Luke, and Logan and Chris come from the same kind of background but what the represent in Rory's life is the opposite. Hear me out...Loralai and Chris grew up together he KNOWS her, how to pull the strings, what to say to comfort her and remind her who she is. Like Jess does for Rory. Where as Luke is more aligned with who she became, he fits into the life she built for herself. Logan and Rory had that possibility of a shared future. Also Logan was attempting to do what Loralai did by leaving the family money behind and forging her own path Logan's way was a little healthier and definitely easier with his trust fund and his Dad's willingness to help him dig his way out. It's a shame the original writers didn't get to end it the way they wanted and had to try to make their original plan fit so many years later
Totally agreed! I wish we had seen Logan's growth in the original series equal a better outcome for his future or for the future he had with Rory. It felt to me totally out of her character to just deny his proposal like that especially that like two episodes before that she was taking him back to Stars Hollow. Very odd in my opinion. Thanks for commenting!
I feel like all 3 main bfs were right for her At the time but Logan was the best because although he didn’t always bring the best out of her can you see her together with dean or Jess? As an adult I mean. Like you see my point?
100% of Jess’s character development comes offscreen so I don’t think it’s ever fair to say Rory doesn’t “deserve” him. His story isn’t earned, but you could say that’s Rory’s perception of the situation since it’s pretty much her perspective we get the show from.
I think you should remember that the creator of the show didn't have anything to with the last season of the show and the revival has alot of what she planned to have in her version of season 7. I stopped watching at season 6 so I was never team Logan and the revival made a lot more sense to me because the only part of season 7 I'd seen was the series finale
Yeah I agree with that, but when we first watched it....i guess unless you were really up to date, in the time we didn't know that Amy and Dan were no longer part of the show, so as a first time, in the moment watcher, it was so odd to see the characters making the decisions they did.
Team I don’t Care. Jk probably lean towards Logan but if Rory had gone the big time journalist, wealthy life route. Choosing the Stars Hollow route Jess works better. I guess that was part of the struggle. Of her deciding what Rory she wanted to be.
It has never made sense to me that Rory would so easily walk away from Logan. I still firmly believe that Jess was the right person for then-Rory but at the wrong time. Later on, Rory is def not good enough for Jess. But, Rory always loved Logan and I wish she’d still said no to his proposal but that she had left with him for California (is that where he went?) or, like another commenter mentioned, accepted but with a long proposal. Made no sense that Rory would walk away from Logan.
Yes totally agree! It's so funny that you commented today, because I just filmed a "Jess deserved better" type video, and at one point that is what I say too. He didn't deserve her at the beginning, and then in AYITL she didn't deserve him. Also, in AYITL Logan is in London, but maybe he went to Cali first. I don't remember either. Also, agreed! Long proposal and not all or nothing, would have been the route I would have liked to have seen! Thanks for your thoughts!
I think he went to California to start his own company. I think his father cut him off. And it makes sense he proposed to her, he wanted to jump in the unknown with her. Probably her rejection hit him hard and probably thats why he teturned to his family in the reboot?...:/
I write off any of Logan's final season development because the original creators/writers weren't there. That was the replacement team that did that. I think the original creators always intended for Rory to parallel Lorelai and become a single mom and get her own Christopher and Luke. I don't think they decided who would fall into each role until Logan showed up. But, as soon as they have Jess come back and give the "why did you drop out of Yale" monologue, I think it was pretty cemented that he'd end up being her Luke. The Netflix revival just confirmed it for me. And I'm personally good with that implied ending.
I don't know why any of y'all consider Tristan a love interest? They kissed once, he constantly bullied her, and literally tried to fight Dean. Rory literally never once was truly invested in Tristan and it was just there to spur some conflict and drama at school. I think Jess was right person, wrong time for Rory. He was a dumb kid who was never given true direction or good examples of being a healthy student, partner, etc. Jess deserved better and he was never afraid to be straight with her. Dean was weirdly clingy and needy, not to mention watching her was a weird start anyways. I would not like a dude tell me he has been watching me. I do not appreciate his anger issues because you can honestly see the seeds of the anger issues in season 1. It's fucked up. But at the same time, Rory is just not a good character herself because she's entitled and selfish, she never fully considers other people when she does things.
Jess is the best, no competition, he very much seems like the Luke for Loreli match for Rory, if they ever do another year in the life they should absolutely be the endgame, they had the best connection in my opinion Tristan was just meh, if he had shown up later maybe it would be different to show how he developed I never liked Logan at all but I would actually say Dean was the worst for Rory
What was it about Logan to you didn't like towards the end of the series? I liked him towards the end, but definitely didn't like him in the reboot! Also agreed on Dean! He's the worst lol
As much as I adore jess , him and Rory were so toxic for each other but I felt so bad for him as well like he wasn't given a chance at all everyone always saw the worst of him as soon as he came even Rory did while they were in the relationship. Overall I really liked Rory and logan and I do not count their relationship in the reboot because I reject the reboot tbh
Agreed with all of that! I think people didn’t take into consideration that Jess had a very hard upbringing and they expected him to never have had any repercussions because of that. I think once he matured he ended the series very well rounded and growing, but I also think he should have had a little more grace when he was figuring it out, if that makes sense. Also for Logan I 100% agree. Logan we saw the most maturing of, and I reject AYITL too! It never happened lol, except for Emily and Jess who are the main characters I like in the reboot!
Honestly I'm just team no one at this point. Out of them I liked Jess the most, as he actually grew as a person and got his sh#@ together. That's why I like him: he actually realised his potential, despite the shortcomings of his upbringing. I will agree that their relationship wasn't good, it was toxic at times, the whole bedroom scene, him leaving etc. When we see him in season 4 it shows his growth, and while the whole confession run away together thing is clumsy to say the least (and Rory was at least right not to go with him), it gives us the idea he is slowly opening up. Then season 6 he fully comes into his own, and finds his own path, actually giving Rory the lecture she needed. In AYITL he is there for Luke and his family and his job is doing solid, not amazing but well. And again he is the sane head that gives Rory a path forward. The problem? He's a 32 year old man pining after the girl from high school. And considering how far he's come... he's too god for Rory lol :P Logan on the other hand... well he was good for her for a lot of things: he's allowed her to come out of her shell a bit, and got her to have fun on her own, find out more about herself and see the world. I think that was a major plus for him. They had fun and she was very happy with him. He was there, where Jess was not, and the happy she had with him wasn't the sweet teenage stuff she had with Dean but deeper than that. There are major issues with him however that people overlook: he wasn't willing to push against Rory and what she was doing unless it suited him. He saw her going in a downward spiral, sure warned her, but let her go down anyway, despite knowing that path wasn't for her. Now he's not her parent so he shouldn't tell her right and wrong but a wake up call from someone you love is warranted sometimes. He DID unload on her but only after he felt like she was attacking him for her life choices. He called out her privilege only after well she attacked the privileged people. He might've been right, but again for the wrong reasons. In AYITL he never went Ace: enough pull the trigger, go work at a place for a while settle down for a bit, figure things out. Oh and the whole affair. And finally the affair and what it actually shows: he'll always be in his family's shadow. Logan was raised in a very narrow minded family, with a specific path laid out for him. He complains about it, rightfully so, he fights with them, but in the end he'll always choose them. The proposal never rang true to me, it felt like a last rebellion before settling down in his role as the heir apparent. He's not choosing Odette over Rory, he's choosing his family's path over Rory. It's not that he's a coward or anything like that it's just... he doesn't know or see other paths in front of him. The reality is Jess and Rory met at a wrong point for both of them. He was the toxic one in their relationship, it was logical for. them to break up. His growth as a person, and where he ends up is why people like him with Rory, heck why I like him as a character. But had he not met Rory, went to Stars Hollow, lived with Luke, would've Jess grown up the way he did? Probably not. So for him moving on was always the best option. On the other hand Logan never pushed back against Rory's bad qualities, unless it suited him. And he was never going to truly commit to her for the long term, due to the environment he was born into. That's the reality there. So honestly Rory should just be single or meet someone new.
Ooh, thats actually really good comment. As much as i like Logan, i mostly agree with your take. Though i wanted for him to grow in a way that he chooses his own path and not allowing his family to dictate his life choices. But writers in a reboot want Logan to choose his family vision of his life, which is sad. And probably he always will choose them over Rory. In that case sure Rory should not settle with him. But regarding the relationships....to be honest im not sure your partner has to parent you. Yes its nice, but its not their job. I mean its noones job but yourself. Rory made her decisions and i think she needed to fall down hard in order to learn and see the reality. Often ppl can tell you lots of right things. But if you didnt ask them to, or you hear it but not ready to accept the truth and reconsider your own choices, so is it actually smth that define what good partner is? Im not sure. Maybe its different for other ppl, but i wouldnt put that much responsibility on Logan just because he accepted Rorys choices as of a grown person and didnt call her out in right time. When she started to blame him for her choices, he told her the truth.
Im team jess. Tho i only watched until season 4 so i cant say much about logan since i didnt see that much of him. Honestly jess was kind of a jerk for the most part but i felt like they had something.... Or maybe i just want jess for myself because he's awesome and i love him and i just wanna vicariously live through rory😂
I will always be Team Jess because he had the best storyline out of all the guys, he had a storyline OUTSIDE OF RORY, I never got to see that with Logan, Tristan, or Dean. I just prefer Jess as a character, personally I think Rory and Jess had the cutest moments, I like Logan for Rory, they definitely deserve each other, I just LOVE Jess as a character. About the swan thing…I see it as Rory already thought the worst about how he got the black eye, thinking he fought with Dean and Jess didn’t bother telling her the truth because he’s thinking “if she thinks that low of me, she’ll think I’m lying about the swan” but I haven’t seen that episode in a year or two so that scene is probably fuzzy
Rory spent her high school and Yale years having a bunch of boys competing to be her boyfriend. How many students get that? None of them were best for Rory. None of them have taken basic "Being someone's boyfriend 101." Rory was not a good girlfriend either, but nothing could be expected. Ladies, how many of you had a bunch of boys to choose from competing to be your boyfriend? Or having a bunch of friends on Team Guy A and Team Guy B?
Rory cheated with Jess physically as well when she kissed him while being in a relationship with Dean. So not just emotionally. I think Dean will react so angry due to rory's gaslighting and ambivalence in her feelings and him being immature.
i am not sure what they were trying to do with tristan. rory never liked him but she felt bad for him when summer broke up with him, and then she randomly liked him when he got sent to military school. i guess maybe they had to skip over some points because the actor was leaving the show.
Yeah I think so too. I feel like if we had seen him for longer then we would have gotten more blanks filled in, but his short time on the show really was more confusing then helpful really.
I’m also Team Jess. Also, Jess is the only one that Rory never cheated on which is interesting. I would’ve been okay with Logan too if it weren’t for the reboot! In my opinion, regarding the Reboot, I think the writers tried way too hard to parallel Logan and Christopher and it’s just not the same. Logan was far better than Christopher because they actually did have a real relationship and I think they could both be in love and together. It seems like he would break up with his fiancé if he found out she was pregnant. Maybe not 🤷🏼♀️ but if they were trying to make him like Christopher, I don’t think they succeeded in my opinion.
I. M team Logan Jess was okay and I'm glad he gave her the kick in the but she needed to go back to school but I think he is to much of a drifter. I think Logan and Rory would have kept each other grounded.
I'm team Logan in the original series! I think we saw him mature and they were a good fit! I'm team Jess in the reboot, because boo logan lol. But I do agree, Jess is a bit of a drifter for sure!
Jess got good character development and became a surrogate for the audience. Rory got a lot of criticism for her sex with Dean while he was married. She had sex with him because the writers and actors were tired of her being too Goody Two Shoes. This was not really a good reason to get mad at Rory. Lorelai got mad at her for having sex with Married Dean, and she directed the audience to do the same. This was fully consensual sex between adults who were not expecting to be walked in on by Lorelai. It was not much to get mad at Rory about. Her judgment was not worse than most 19-20 year olds. Rory's downfall came much later when Mitchum Huntsberger hurt her feelings.
Thinking you're still in a relationship after ignoring Logan for 2 weeks is crazy. Rory thinking there was a future after she publicly rejected Logan's proposal is Very lorelai and reminded me of how Lorelai mistreated Max Medina. I just hate that Rory never grew as a character, but all of her guys did.
Wow! That last sentence is so so true! Literally the most disappointing aspect of Rory for me is how all of the guys she dated grew as people, but she didn't really! If anything I almost feel like she went backwards. It's like season 1 rory knew what she wanted, and then by the reboot she was acting like a confused 16 year old. Also, agreed about the publicly rejecting, totally agree! you can't just go back and pretend like nothing happened after that.
I think it was more than 2 weeks 😅 I totally agree. She didnt even try later to reach out to him. Sorry, but Logan did make some effort, Rory was playing unreachable for some time. And then she gets so angry, when he thinks they have broken up, that she keeps silent treating him and then messing with Jess....omg. GOSH I dont like Rory here at all. Its so true all three guys overgrew her. I wish they all moved on from her and she stayed alone, lost and frustrated with who she was, without job petspectives and pregnant from ons. Then maybe she would go to therapy and bring her life together and grow up. At last!!
LOL og true gilmore girls fans aren’t TEAM Jess, Logan or Dean - They are team none of Rory’s boyfriends because they are all trash 😂 Only Team DAVE ✨👏😂💕
I love Dave!!! Did you know that the actual person Lane is based on, in real life, married Dave Rygalski! So crazy! I feel like they were going to have the characters get married, but then Adam got a new show!
you talk about jess lying to luke (and rory) about going to school. he was in denial about how bad it could go, that he could fail his classes. he didn't want to deal with how rory would react, he felt embarrassment about his school performance in comparison to rory's. i don't blame him for lying to luke. luke never addressed him as like "hey i am here to help you, what do you need?". luke made it all like, i am in control and you must do as i command. luke positioned himself as an adversary to jess. so it makes sense that jess would lie to luke because he thinks that's the best way to get what he needs (to work at walmart, to not go to school). i wish he'd told rory and luke the truth but i understand why he didn't. i also think luke would not have supported jess if he said he wanted to get a GED or some other alternative. but he should have! in an alternate universe, lorelai told jess about how she got a GED and she became successful as an adult, so she would help jess find his own path of success.
I totally agree that your alternate universe makes it so much better! I think luke also got no coaching or help with jess, outside of a few kinda adversarial conversations with Lorelai. He just knew his nephew needed help and he wanted to, but having a very rebellious teenager sent to you basically out of the blue, I think luke was doing all he could to help. Yes, he definitely could have said it way better and showed support more outwardly, but I would bet his father was very similar to luke in that he did support his kids, but didn't' really say it very often out loud! Thanks for commenting! Love your alternate universe! I wish that was the real storyline!
I feel like they really ruined Dean’s character for no reason. They should have just had him go off to college early or ect. He was smart in the beginning but then they tried to dumb him down. Also he was never going to “kill Tristan” he said that because he’s physically bigger than Tristan and wouldn’t even be a fair fight. I love the moment in the reboot, it was nice.
Yeah agreed. It feels like they super ruined Dean as a character, looking back at season one I really liked Dean. I agree that he should have gone off to college like he said or just kinda faded away not so dramatically. It really ruined his character the cheating. He should have moved on or not gotten married.
the creator of the show didn't make the final season and never watched it so that's why things are so different in the reboot with a lot of these characters. In her mind the show was always going to end with those last four words, spoilers for everyone who hasn't watched but "mom?" "Yes" "I'm pregnant" and then fade to black was how the creator imagined ending the show having Rory and Lorelei ultimately having the same life at the end. While I understand I don't think that fully represents the show they ended up making and even with what ever they ended up doing in a different final season I couldn't see that happening.
I think you’re totally right!! Having that being the last 4 words felt almost not right by the time we got there, because the characters I’m sure were so different than sue had originally thought they would be and ended up in different spots because of them taking different paths! I think you’re totally right. That’s so hard because maybe it’s just a case of, “I have these great last four words”, but by the time we get there the characters are so different! Thanks for your thoughts!!
Original intentions of the writers didnt serve the character development in the end. In my eyes its a bit frustrating and thats what ruined the show for me. I may not agree with writers all the time but at your story should make sense. With GG it didnt feel right in the end for me. I think iys really important for writer to know where to stop, adjust or listen to your characters..... where they go with story or what is possible considering their growth and path in the created story, because in some point your characters will grow out your imaginatio and start to live their own life. So its important to listen to them and find the best written path that us believable.
I'm going to separate my comment into threes and have one per boyfriend. Dean is the one who seems the least genuine and by that I mean, he was more interested in getting others to like him by superficial means and thus is never doing anything because he wants to do it or it is what he like to do but usually to ingratiate himself to others. For example, Dean spends as much time with Lorelai as he does Rory but not out of real interest in their weird movies or because Dean likes to do the housework as a sixteen year old guy. It's not hard to understand why Lorelai is Team Dean because out of a desperate need for approval, he is willing to "date" Rory with Lorelai literally sitting right next to them because they're almost always in Lorelai's living room plus if Dean isn't around then Lorelai would have to hire and pay people to do manual house labor. I think the real Dean shows himself when he snaps and gets possessive like he own Rory and another guy better not dare to look at her. Tristan's joke about how he'd kiss her if he didn't think Dean would punch him or kill him, something like that, is not an endearing quirk of Dean's the way Rory takes it but a huge red flag. The episode when Rory turns herself into Donna Reed because it turns out the real Dean is less into quirky non conformists like a single mom at sixteen raising a daughter on her own and more into the notion of a wife that will vow to love, honor, and obey him by never having a hair out of place or always having dinner at the table when he gets home which should have been the end of Rory and Dean right then and there because they clearly wanted different things out of life.
Yeah I would say dean is a people pleaser for sure! My biggest ick factor with dean, besides the obvious cheating being the worst part, is his snapping too. It's so unsettling to see him go from a level 2 to a level like 9 out of nowhere almost! Huge red flag! I'm excited to read your other comments!!!
I think writets wanted to show full circle of inter-generational trauma. But i dont know if it works. Rory is pregnant at 32, with loving mother, stepfather, granma on her side and Logan (it's obvious hes the father) who is clearly in love with her and wants to be with her. So wheres the tragedy? And in what way logan is her christopher? Unless Rory doesnt want kids and marriege, and chooses abortion..but thats another plot line, which we didnt see anyway. I understand the original idea for Rory from Amy and Den. Like no matter what Rory chooses in life and what she is, she's still her mothers daughter, who repeates the same scenario. Well it could work if she is pregnant right after graduation at 22. But then again, she at least has college degree and a guy who wanted to marry her. Its still not the same as pregnant at 16 with toxic parents and spineless losy bf. So having said that, i feel the original idea of ASP for Rory doesnt serve the character anymore.
the weird dancing thing in the revival was a weird out of nowhere tribute to Julie Taymor's Across The Universe......Which, I love that movie too, but HUH????????????? Idk, it didn't evoke any warm fuzzies or happiness from me, I was just bored/rolling my eyes.
also once again if youre paying attention to the dates in the main show rory and logan had not spoken for a full month before he starts seeing other people😭 justice for logan you cant just not speak (without communicating) for a MONTH without thinking thar youre broken up
I would say that out of all of Rory's significant others I personally liked season one Dean the best. I felt like he provided Rory with the most stable relationship, at least up until his insecurities started to show themselves. For me I had a hard time liking Jess when he first entered the picture. At the start his pursuit of Rory seemed to be just as much about using her to upset Dean as it was about him actually liking her, and while he clearly developed real feelings for her pretty fast, he lost me when he tried to force himself on her at the house party. I can definitely agree that he and Rory had much more in common, but the brooding, snarky personality, as well as the fact that he constantly lied and was pretty rude to just about everyone, really made me dislike him. As for Dean's development, I completely agree with everything you said. I can understand some of the mistakes he made, and I can appreciate him giving up college in order to try to make his marriage work, but he really should never have gotten married in the first place if his feelings were for someone else. I really felt that him and Rory worked better as friends at this point, and once he cheated on Lindsay, I really didn't like who either of them had become in that relationship. Tristan really just felt like he was a plot device who existed solely to create drama between Rory and Dean than a fully fledged character. I don't have much to say about Logan, as I completely agree with you. His character progression just ended up stagnant, maybe even with some backsliding in "A Year in the Life", whereas both Dean and especially Jess ended up in a much better place. I first started warming up to Jess with the episode where he goes to visit/stay with his father, and by the time Luke and Rory sees him at his publishing house in Philadelphia I liked him a lot more. Once we saw him again in "A Year in the Life" it's clear he has his life together and is in a good place. I could also say the same for Dean, who felt like he'd finally been able to let Rory go, leaving him out of the picture.
I agree with you on that! Dean season one was my favorite overall too! I wish we had seem him mature more, and maybe even learn some hard lessons about insecurities like you said, but at the end mature. I'm glad we kinda got a little bit of closure in AYITL, but I wish we had gotten to see that instead of losing him for like 5 years and coming back and he's all good. Also agreed on Jess. I really was not a fan of his at the beginning, and I totally forgot about that scene! Totally not ok!
I agree with you on many aspects throughout this video. I am not such a fan of dean, I am team jess throughout the seasons and on the reboot , definitely! but I am also team Logan, I feel that he deserved better at the end. His character development was great and she should have said yes, although I wasn't so happy about the ultimatum, I understood his reasons. Then there's the reboot that ruined his whole character development and made him a cheater with Rory who is also a cheater, poor Paul!?😢 But then jess just got better and better in the reboot, which was great so at the end I kinda hoped he would become Rory's Luke! that would be great, but then again there's those famous last four words that leave a real definite possibility of Logan being her baby daddy!?🤔
I totally agree! I think it is sad that we saw so much growth from Logan throughout the series just to see him fall so far down the rabbit hole in the reboot. I wish she had said yes too, we didn't even have to see them get married obviously, we could have just seen them learn and growth through their engaged season or something, but yeah that's something about AYITL that really bugs me, also I think he's the baby daddy. But idk
@@AVintageJoy I mean it would only make sense, unless she secretly hooked up with anybody else😂😂 so many theories lol. But yeah if they ever make a season 2 of the AYITL, hopefully they add a character development of Logan and Rory. Rewatching her and Jess right now lol 😆
I love Logan. He was my favorite, but I wouldn't put Rory with him nor any of her old boyfriends. I think she needs a new man in her life. One that won't put up with her snobby entitled behavior. Jess is somewhat like that, but she doesn't love him. If she did, she would be with him. If she truly loved any of them, she would be with them. So, she needs someone new that she can finally truly love. Someone she won't push aside or mistreat. They really need to make another movie where they have her character grow into a decent person.
Sometimes the movie with Zachary Levi and her I pretend is her real ending 😂😂. I agree that she needs someone new and a better fit for her overall! Thanks for your thoughts! And if you haven’t seen that movie, it’s a little cheesy, but good!
I was so disappointed that Rory didn’t accept Logan’s proposal. After enduring a long distance relationship and fighting hard to maintain it, forgiving his behaviors, only to not be able to commit and also still work toward her goal of being a journalist, let’s be honest, she could to that anywhere in the world. The real let down was she ultimately settled for being his “side chick” and disrespecting an engagement! did she learn nothing from the cheating with Dean!🤦🏽♀️
Totally agree! It felt like all the progress she was making in learning about relationships just got washed away. The side chick thing made me so mad too for the same reason! Like, really you’re not going to learn from doing thing already with Dean!?!? I feel like there was one last chance with AYITL to make her learn, but it didn’t happen 😭
Tristan was supposed to be Logan and he was supposed to go to college with her but he got his own show I’m team Logan or team Jess either thought I wish Chad stayed around ok that Tristan Rory got him to steal the boat and I feel bad because he is clearly trying to make her feel better
Dean and then Logan! Jess IS THEE WORST! But thing is - all of us were teenagers... You need to look at it that way because this is a show - and it's utterly unfair to do otherwise. Not to mention the way things were written, you'll also need to account for 'what went on with the writers as they wrote the various 'episodes'/'seasons.' I mean look at the Rory/Logan fiasco... And it continued into GG: YitL. As for the Dean-Tristan fiasco - projecting 'myself back then' - Ahh... Yeah! WTF Tristan! I'd be all in his face! One thing is that 'we're' trying to over analyze a written show as if the characters are 'real people.'
Yeah that's true, they're not real.. my number one I wish was real was Stars Hollow! Also I feel like I'm confused, who is your favorite? Or are you Team Rory single, which is also valid!
@@AVintageJoy I'm "Team Dean the loyal BloodHound" :) But yes! I know exactly what you mean about Stars Hollow! I am weird in that I can kind of 'transport myself' into a show/movie/video game, etc.... So it's a bit 'more real' for me... I've watched GG about 48 times or so before I stopped counting. I noticed my problem back in 1994, when I got the VHS for "Star Trek: Generations" - I watched it over, and over and over till the tape couldn't play anymore. But with GG - "Lor" has been my fav. SHH!! When ever I watch it - or see 'her' - I have this uncontrollable need to shout: "Lor!!!" :) "I'll look like the Morton Salt Girl" is one of my fav lines lol Technically "I am" about Lor's age in the show lol
@@Lord_Legolas_Greenleaf Love Lorelai! She's my favorite too, outside of the town! I love that you put yourself into the shows and movies you watch! I think the best art allows us to do that! Love it!
Thanks for the video! I agree about Jess. He was the funnest to watch, and he was the underdog to root for. So from a pure tv watcher viewpoint I like Jess the best. If you’re talking about who is best for Rory.. I’m not sure she has something to give in a relationship at this point in her life (even if you pretend the Netflix series didn’t happen)
Agreed! Lorelai even has that conversation with Mrs. Kim where they both say they want Rory to have a different path than Lorelai. Idk feels odd to me too! Thanks for your thoughts!!
Paul and Tristin definitely don't count, at all! They are the worst. In my opinion, Jess was the best boyfriend, I don't cheer for Rory and Logan because they are basically a reflection of Lorelai and Christopher, and they didn't end up together, this could be the same destiny for Rory and Logan, they're relationship is basically the same as Rory's parents. Jess will still be the best option, even though Lorelai and Luke got married, but, I don't care.
Yeah I don't think Tristin and Paul really count either, but I do feel bad for Paul, he deserves better! I was rooting for Logan until the reboot, and then all the character development really just went down to tubes for me. Also yea I agree that Jess is the best including AYITL, but idk about the like step cousins thing lol
@@AVintageJoy I really don't care if that makes them cousins or not, but in the reboot, it seems that Jess is still in love with Rory, after all these years.
I’ve actually gotten a fairly asexual vibe from Rory’s character or maybe not asexual per say, but like she never seems super invested in her partners. I really don’t think making her pregnant was a good move either. She never once showed signs or being particularly maternal. It’s really unfortunate the reboot could not have had Rory in a successful job, thriving, and dating people in her respective hemisphere as a 32 year ild professional. Mega weird for her to even be hung up on any high school or college boyfriends. Really shows a delayed emotional state.
Yeah I feel it does show a delayed emotional state. I think she did like her boyfriends, but I do for sure think it shows immaturity on her part to still be so focused on boyfriends from years past that we don't even know who the father is!
@@AVintageJoy in a good way, his development was amazing, coming from a broken home to fulfilling his career goals, rory is now a complete mess, at this point, jess deserves better..
This cheating plot line with Logan in reboot doesnt make sense after os.!! It seems ASP wanted Logan to be shitty rich cheater without progression and ability to learn. So he actually regressed in 10 years, following his family life path that in os he didnt want and is engaged to someone hes clearly not in love with. Then he supports Rory's choice to be involved in that vegas thing and keep it as a secret... Like why on earth to do it if in os he did already matured and wanted "all in" with Rory? Like he didnt see any point to be with Rory 'in some way' if he cant be with her fully?... It just feels so not Logan. Abd that life and death brigade episode and dances...what was it even???????😂
Yeah I liked him in the series, but the reboot Logan is a no go for me. I didn't like logan when we first meet him, but I think we do see him mature over time, but also I don't like how it feels like his character is just thrown off a cliff in the reboot and he's right back, maybe even farther back , than when we first meet him.
I also like Jess as a character and how he matured and found his goals in life. But knowing his and Rory's messy history, and plus now they kind of related (🫠🥴) i dont think its healthy for them to recindle romantic relationship. I think in reality Jess would move on after that episode in Philly!!! Why would he pine for a girl for 10 years, who used him as a revenge thing? Jess already knew that he deserved better. So following the development arch of Jess, it just makes no sense that he would want to be with her in 10 years...like i just dont buy it, sorry. I like their spiritual connection and it would be titally ok if they meet from time to time to motivate each other on writing books, as friends. But as a couple they dont work anymore. I just dont understand why they even should.
I feel like Rory should have accepted Logan’s proposal and asked for a long engagement. While I love Jess, I just always come back to team Logan
Yeah I agree with that! I think the revival, if it had gone that way, would have been so much better! Taking out the revival, team Logan for sure!! Thanks for commenting!
Nope
@@ImagineOther do you know how marriage works. I fell like Logan could have waited and not give her all or nothing crap.
@@ImagineOther laugh all you want but marriage is a big commitment and it shows to me that you have no idea how it works or what it takes to be married.
She could if she went to therapy and figured out who is and what she wants. Most of her decisions and wishes come from Lorelei (yeah i get its not conscious) but they both had no blundaries and melted in one person basically. Rory needed distance from her mother and granparebts judt to figure out who she really is and what she really wants. Plus she needs to fix her trauma from absent father.
But Rory didnt do any if it, so it makes sense she said no to Logan. She is not ready for any commitment and thinks its not what she really wants.
Dean was great for a 1st boyfriend, like Rory said she taught her safety. Logan was perfect for Rory, they both grew to be better in the course of the relationship. Jess, I really don't understand why people think his perfect, they hardly had a relationship 😅
If Dean was still season one dean then I could put it off as like teanage angst and immaturity, for me once Dean gets married while still pining for Rory and then cheats thats when he really lost me. I totally agree with you that her and Jess didn't really have like a fully fleshed out relationship by any standards. From what I can tell, most people like him the best because once you include a year in the life, he really has matured and grown the most.
I don’t get the love for Rory and Jess. I’ve just rewatched that season and that relationship was horrible. Jess was a terrible boyfriend but great as a friend. He didn’t need to have a girlfriend he was too immature, selfish, and had a lot of issues to work out. They definitely should’ve remained friends only because he would made a better actual partner later in life with growth and maturity and healing.
Jess was the worst!!! He yelled at her in almost every episode and tried to force her in that party 😤
@@jessinthecomments I don't get the love for Dean
@@Lililililili333 Dean yelled at her too
Jess is definitely my favourite character out of the boys, but I feel very strongly that him and Rory were NOT good together. Maybe they would have been at another time, but at that time? Nah. I liked Dean at the beginning, they had a very wholesome first relationship but it was obvious that she was going to outgrow him at some point (and I'm doing a rewatch now and I'm right through s5 and the dean part 2 and weeellll... to me that is just Rory clinging to her past at a time when she's maybe struggling a little bit to find her way in college? maybe?).
I guess I'm team Logan in the sense that I did enjoy their relationship the most out of the three. Logan could definitely keep up with Rory, and unlike the other boys he never put Rory on a pedestal. He challenged her to get out of her comfort zone and he welcomed her challenging him as well. He's far from a perfect character, but I always felt they were a good match!! at least while in college.
Ohhh I really like that you pointed out Logan never put Rory on a pedestal. I think you're so right! Overall the other two put her way too high up and didn't really allow for any faults. Also, yeah I agree about Jess. I like them kinda in theory, but especially now because they're related....nah!
Dean really wasn’t that bad, but as they grew up, it became increasingly obvious that weren’t compatible. Jess was a wild teenager in the early seasons but really grew up and got a grip on himself, which is more than one can say for Rory. And he always and consistently brought out the best in Rory, he inspired and motivated her always. Logan was fun and objectively the best match for Rory, but also brought out her entitlement and self-righteousness and it bothered me. Tristan was an irredeemable immature jerk. Poor Paul in the revival was a cruel writers’ joke.
Yeah out of all of them I definitely feel the worst for Paul, he deserved better! Also, I agree Dean wasn't that bad at the beginning, he really lost me when he got married and then cheated. Also, I do think Rory brought the best out in Jess too, but Jess matured the most on his own and at the end became the most healthy version of himself while Logan we saw mature and then really backslide by the time the reboot came out!
I liked first season Dean. He was nice to them both and he understood Rory really well and the mother/daughter relationship. I didn’t like How Jess was first introduced with how he tried to get involved with Rory while she was with Dean. I do like that he was nice to her and they were both interested in reading but he was on the rough side with his relationship with everyone else. I loved him when he finally out grew his rebellious hating the world stage. I didn’t like Logan for most of the series. I liked that he was smart like Rory and he wanted to take care of her. He didn’t take anything serious though and just wanted to party and have fun. The whole life and death brigade and skipping school to drink and party or pull some wild stunt was just too much in my opinion. I didn’t like how everyone treated and forgot about Paul, he seemed like a genuinely nice guy that nobody tried to remember. My favorite guy for Rory after everything was over was Jess. though I agree she was too good for him in the beginning and he was too good for her in the end. I hope this made sense
I an getting sick and tired of young fans crapping on Rory life. Is your life perfect. Did you make or did stupid shot growing up as a teenager. So Flippin what if Rory is struggling or not successful in life it happens. I am probably 20 x older then you are and I am struggling in life and my marriage isn't perfect. Rory can't prefer how her life can go can you do that. No ones life is perfect. And I think Amy is saying that.
@@AVintageJoy we don't know who Paul is and how their relationship was. So how can he deserve better if we only seen him once.
@@lauriecarson6483 20 times older lol? so you’re 280 yrs old?
I think that Rory had trouble accepting being loved for three very specific reasons
1. She was abandoned by Christopher.
A man who comes and goes from your life as he pleases is in fact no man at all and I think that alone affected Rory both mentally and emotionally. When he was forced to raise Gigi on his own after Sherry left, I think Rory felt a lot of resentment towards her sister for him being in her life consistently, as opposed to sporadically. You can't be a "whenever I feel like it" parent. That's not how life works.
2. Lorelai's inconsistencies in her own love life very likely had a part to play as well. Lorelai was never stable in ANY of her relationships and even cheated on Luke with Christopher. Eventually, Lorelai made things work with Luke but still it likely left its mark.
3. This one should have probably been number one. Lorelai's codependency on Rory. She had little in her own life after Rory went away to college. She was so used to having Rory around that she was entirely lost without her and vice versa. The panic of having no one once Rory left, made her somehow even more clingy I feel with the constant phone calls, Rory couldn't even hack it when she left for college and needed her mom to spend the night with her. Neither one I feel knew how to function without the other and it was incredibly unhealthy.
Just my two cents.
Yeah I agree! I think i Chris was more mature and had been in her life throughout her life it would have created way more stability and a healthier response from Rory when things didn't go as planned. Also I agree that not seeing a healthy relationship from Lorelai showed, again, no example of what to do, but only an example of potentially what to do or what not to do. Also for your third point I do agree they were slightly too codependent, I kinda understand from the point that Lorelai had Rory so young that she didn't really have the maturity herself to learn how to have a balance between mom and friend. I think that as we get older our parents do transition more into a friend role, but that role too young in Rory's life just makes things confusing.
@@AVintageJoy oh absolutely!
the backstory isn't consistent from episode to episode, but at times it's that Lorelai pushed Christopher away and that's why he hardly ever saw Rory.
@@RilianSharp solid point.
@@RilianSharp Yeah agreed. I think for sure there were times that it was Lorelai's choice for Chris to not see Rory. That is a good point!
The more I listen to the analysis the more I see the similarities in the Gilmore Guys, especially Tristan, Jess and Logan. They all had parents who clearly didn’t take care of them and I think that’s why they lashed out one way or another… I feel like the writers did Dean dirty. In my opinion they didn’t feel like it was enough for Rory to fall for another guy and them splitting amicably. I think that’s why they turned Deans character basically into a simpleton. Overall I am team Logan - however I think that had they gotten married Logan would’ve taken a role in her life similar to Emily and Richard in the original show: a loving source of money who constantly tells her how awesome she is.
I totally agree! I think they did Dean super dirty with his character. I wish they had just been like "We're getting older and don't connect" as opposed to having them cheat and Dean basically be very toxic by the end. I think your analysis is spot on! I'm interested to see what you think of Lorelai's guys. I'm working on that video now!
Canadian Dean was booted. I imagine he wouldve been a less aggro man.
I feel like Rory's character loves having the validation of being admired, but doesn't really invest in/respect her partner unless they challenge her.
I totally agree with that!
Rory and Logan were the best together. And i liked Rory the best in Yale years.
I believe they reconnect after some time together.
I dont see revival as a canon.
But as fan service its sweet to watch. I still enjoyed it ;)
Dean and Logan were good for Rory in the beginning but terrible in the end when both relationships ended because it was based off an affair. However, Jess was terrible in the beginning but good for her in the end. The question to me isn't who is Rory's best boyfriend because that isn't relevant to the present and the future but rather is based off of past memories. The question however is based on where we ended the story which guy is best suited for a proper relationship with Rory? Is it a married man (Dean), an engaged man (Logan) or a single man (Jess). The answer is clear as day.
Agreed!!!!!
All the languages and you decided to speak THE TRUTH
Did you notice that Rory has trouble accepting love? She seems to be more content in Stars Hollow with her mom than being immersed in a long-term relationship with any of these guys. She really doesn’t need any of them (or a real career) as she knows that she will always have money and a place in society that the Gilmore name (and family money) provides her. I feel she is extremely self -centered. Her best choice would have been Logan-he was her societal equal, something that really was important to Rory (unlike her mom). Thanks for an excellent assessment.
I agree with you in that she doesn't know really how to accept love. I think we learn that in season one and I wish we had seen more growth in that throughout the seasons, but truly it was harder to watch her not really have grown too much in a lot of areas in the reboot. I agree she fit best with Logan in the original show, but seeing them together in the reboot felt hard to watch. I think Jess was much more on her side and more her equal in the reboot. Thank you so much for your thoughtful comment! I appreciate it!
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Who said she needs to accost love right away. Everyone in has trouble with it. Why is everyone shitting on Rory to flippin much.
In my opinion, Jess was the best for her because he truly cared for, respected, encouraged and supported Rory in every way. Yeah, he ran off thinking that he wasn't good enough for her and saw himself in a negative light, but over time, he grew and became better for it all. If she had taken him back and gave him a chance in the original show, I think that they would have grown and become even better together.
The worst is a harder decision for me simply because I despised both Logan AND Dean for separate reasons.
Dean was super immature by jumping into a relationship still having had feelings for Rory and that in no way was fair to Lindsay or Rory. When she decided to date Logan he decided to be a miserable, bitter ass then as well. As if she wasn't just a teenager who decided she had feelings for someone else. Also, in the revival, he seemed to have gotten his shit straight but we didn't see much from him so I can't form an opinion there.
Logan is a mess all around. Sleeping with someone while engaged to someone else? Yeah not okay on either Logan or Rory's part, especially since they were grown and knew better. It's just trashy and gross. Also, he still had that "I'm so much better than everyone" air about him even in his 30s. Ughhhh
Yeah I think they ruined Dean and Logan at different times. Dean as soon as he cheated was basically not reversible as a character, and Logan in the reboot. I think that's a reason why Rory in the later seasons for me was so hard to follow because she basically just kept cheating with old boyfriends...like move on! She has so much potential as a person, just move on and do you, you know. I think you're also right about Jess...he's my second favorite character in the reboot, after Emily! I like how he's grown and learned from past mistakes, unlike other characters.
@@AVintageJoy I still find it so sad that the dude who played Richard died in real life before the reboot even took place. I would have loved to see how his character played out too.
@@SpiritedSoul1986 Aw Yeah it's so sad! He was so great, and you can tell the actresses are really crying for Ed in the cemetary scene. So sad
I personally really appreciated Logan’s arc through the end of the show but then the hairpin turn at the season 7 finale was so disappointing. Like, his whole arc set him up to have a “I hear what you’re saying with your proposal rejection and I completely understand you aren’t ready to give up your career now that it’s about to start, so let’s hold off the engagement conversation for a couple of years but stay together since we’re both happy.” But that isn’t what happened.
Also, the Palladino’s shared that they didn’t watch season 7 so it was clearly difficult to make the characters make sense without knowing where they left off IMO.
Lastly, I think the reboot would have made more sense and been more enjoyable if it had taken place right after season 7. The fact that ASP was so dead set on the reboot being the ending she always envisioned for them, rather than reworking it to make it make sense as 10 years later did not work in the reboot’s favor. Instead it felt like fan service to shove every minor character they could get to come back so we could see their “epilogue” while forcing the main characters into the box that would have been their season 7 arcs. So it felt like everyone had just been stunted for 10 years, never changing or learning anything new in that time, and we picked them back up where they left off emotionally.
I totally agree! It's hard to watch when it would have made more sense in my brain if it had been just after the show, but agreed! 10 years after does feel stunted for some characters for sure! I wish we would have seen more growth between 7 and the revival, but if they didn't watch season 7 that makes sense why it almost feels disjointed between the two!
So true. Best comment ❤❤
Plus Logan and Rory always found solution to any trouble they had.
I agree that Logan would probably discuss with Rory after her 'no' some way that would suit them at that moment. Or at least he would say more than just "Whats the point. Goodbye rory".
I love the scene where jess tells her this is not her, leaving Yale and all that, cause he knows her better than anyone deep down, when she's not trying to please some guy or her grandparents or stuff. He knows she loves books and learning.
Yes! Agreed!! That's such a brutal scene, but I think she really needed to hear it! She needed someone, like you said, who knew what she wanted to do and she needed someone to remind her of that!
@@AVintageJoy Yes, and I feel like if anyone else would have told her that, she wouldn't have heard it. In fact Logan told her that she would't last with this cause she loves learning and books and she didn't even hear it. But when Jess told her, it hit her like a train because he's the no bullshit guy, he just says it like he sees it. She knew he meant every word. They really had a connection beyond friendship or relationship. I wouldn't be surprised if these two end up together later on.
@@monio.9444 Right agreed! Also he's someone who knew her when she was really someone to be looked up to and was passionate about learning and her goals, and then we he saw her again she really had lost that passion. I think you're so right!
I don't understand why people keep saying that Logan is Christopher when that's not how I saw it at all. Logan had one similarity with Christopher and that's the fact that Logan is rich. Logan wouldn't leave a pregnant Rory by herself to give birth and raise the child alone if he knew about it. By the end of ayitl it's clear that Logan and Rory still love eachother. Rory doesn't want to tell Logan to leave Odette because she's scared of rejection and Logan doesn't want to make the first move and get rejected again. I think that Rory is a mix of Emily and Lorelei so Rory needs someone she can share both sides with and that's Logan which is obvious by the end of season 7.
I feel like Amy had an obsessive grip on her 'full circle' story to the detriment of the characters. From the Pilot, she envisaged Rory's life mirroring Lorelai's, and despite the fact that Rory really outgrew that role as the show progressed, they started to turn her character around from S4 onwards so she could eventually fall from grace like her mother.
Logan as a character outgrew the 'Christopher' role which he was perhaps originally intended for; but, as the Palladinos were set on him being Rory's Chris, to the disservice of his character, they stuck him in that box by making him the father of her baby and suggesting that he would always be her 'what if'. So I don't necessarily think that Logan was actually like Christopher, but I do think that's the way we're meant to view him. In the same way, Jess isn't really anything like Luke, but the revival shows him still pining after Rory so we're meant to suddenly make the connection. I'm fully team Jess and even I think that's a lil dumb and out of character for him lol.
Imo that's the biggest weakness of the show's writing overall: they just sucked at killing their darlings. Sometimes ideas simply have to die, and it makes me so upset to watch Rory's life go off the rails because the writers ceased to view her as a person after a while and instead used her as a plot device for their oh-so-clever full circle story.
wow, people just don't mention how Jess sexually assaulted Rory at a party and got angry when she luckily managed to push him off. like it's not a big deal. what would have happened if she had been paralized from shock and fear not being able to push him off? still team jess?
the guy literally writes one book and gets a job connected to his interests and everyone is ready to applaud. seriously? is the bar so low?
I remember that scene thank god rory was able to push jess off her
I don’t remember the scene as he sexually assaulted her, he got his signals mixed in my opinion, and when Rory spoke up and nudged him off, he got off her, and stormed out. She had already spoken to Lorelai about how she thought she was ready to go there with Jess. The only thing I think she didn’t like about it was it was in Kyle’s bedroom, otherwise I don’t think she would have had an issue with it, so I don’t think he ever sexually assaulted Rory. I’m not a huge team Jess fan by the way and still don’t see it that way.
It was uncomfortable end of story. He was already riled up before, it was a mess. I don’t think going into the nitty gritties helps either. It was off. Especially for people in a relationship. No
I agree with you. Rewatching it and how he was just leaving her abandoned. No I can’t. I enjoy his relationship with Luke but with Rory,no.
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I'm team Jess because I love his personality and the chemistry between him and Rory but he was a terrible boyfriend. I have had a boyfriend like him and I left him because of his behaviors. Their intellectual affinity was great but not enough, he becomes the one for Rory when he solves his issues, indeed in season 6 he shows to worry about Rory leaving Yale instead of worrying only about himself.
I totally agree it’s nice to see him more mature by season six, but definitely in season two their intellectual affinity was definitely not enough! I’m so sorry you had to go through that, but I’m glad that you’re out of that situation!
#teampaul
literally the only unproblematic person in the whole series lol
Definitely respect team Paul!! He deserved way better! It really bugged me how they all forgot about him over and over, like he's so nice to you and then you're just going to forget him? Not a funny bit if you ask me!
i like the story about Paul because it reminds me of The schwa was here, a book about a kid who is unnoticeable and fears he will disappear. and because the Paul story is relatable for me (though exaggerated).
@@RilianSharp Aw I've never heard of that book. I'll have to look it up!
I watched this show as a teen, so with many things I didn't find fault with Dean. I remember thinking "say you love him you fool!" And I didn't realise his jealousy and anger wasn't healthy. I did however think Dean should carry most of the burden for cheating. He was the one who married, now Rory is culpable too because I think she only wanted him cus she couldn't have him. I felt Dean needed to dump Rory sooner, it was obvious they weren't in the same road and had little in common.
I actually think Jesse was extremely damaged thanks to his upbringing, he has never ever seen a healthy relationship. He probably couldn't be honest because I'm sure his role models were probably irresponsible liars. It actually makes sense that he runs out on Rory in the end, if anything they needed to explore what happened after to Rory. How didn't this bring up more hurt, she's a girl who was abandoned by her biological father! How could this not make her think "I'm not good enough, nobody loves me or wants me."
The Marty story line was actually good because when she said she didn't want him romantically....then he had to draw a line. I will never forget when he said he didn't want to watch Duck Soup cus it will create memories and he won't be able to watch it again. He could have agreed to keep her as a friend BUT secretly still hope for more. They never could have been friends.
Logan to me has little redeeming qualities. I don't see what she liked about him? Yes he was wealthy, Rory wasn't raised to be around that crowd.
I agree. When cheating happens, it's two people involved! Unless one side doesn't know the other is in a relationship, unlike in this case where she knew. I like that Marty and Rory didn't date, I do wish they had showed Rory in an actual friendship with a guy and not have it be like "he wants to date her". Thanks for commenting! Also, I think Rory and Logan do have a lot in common when it comes to writing, their both very witty, and both are very well read from what I can tell. I like how we see him grow over the show, but I didn't like him at the beginning either really.
Rory shouldn't have to say I love you back when she wasn't sure. Can't force someone to say it back.
@@AVintageJoy
i just wish we saw Rory with more friends, period. that's why i love the episodes with Lucy and Olivia. we finally saw a bit of Rory just hanging out. whatever happened to that other walkman+reading girl?
@@RilianSharp I know!! I wish we had seen a friendship between the two of them! That is the same actress who is in Cinderella story as one of the step sisters, I'm pretty sure 😂
@@lauriecarson6483 IDK how i just saw this now, yes for sure! She shouldn't have said it if she wasn't sure!
Jess is definitely my favorite of rory's boyfriends because I really enjoyed how much his character grew and turn his life around I did like dean at first but over time I grew to hate him he and rory definitely weren't compatible I really liked Tristan sucks he was only on the show for one season because It would had been interesting seeing him evolve but that did leave room for Jess to come along
totally agreed! I was very team Dean at the beginning, but once we even get into season two, Dean really starts to fall apart! Team Jess due to character development! Totally agree!
Everyone is quick to forget how downright nasty Jess was to Rory when she took him to meet Emily. Ironically, Emily was the NICEST to him she had ever been to anyone on the show! And he still acted rude, abrasive, downright confrontational, and threw it all back in Rory's face. He didn't care. That episode is what really solidified to me that Jess is not right for Rory. It got worse when he shows up at her dorm saying how well he knows her, how she should run away with him. Like he clearly had no idea what Rory wanted and what her priorities were, he was being so selfish in that moment veiled as a big romantic gesture. He is much better without Rory. He improved and grew as a person without her. I wish he would move on and stop pining for her.
I totally agree! Jess was definitely in the wrong in meeting her grandparents, and trying to almost guilt her to run away with him. I do also with Jess had moved on more in AYITL. Idk if they were trying to set up like almost a luke/lorelai round 2 scenario or what, but I wish we had seen them become friends or something and he would have moved on. I do think he's the most healthy and if I have to pick a "team" in AYITL he's my team, but i totally agree that I wish we had seen him move on from her by then! Thanks for commenting! Love to hear your view!
Personally, I agree that Jess was rude when invited to dinner with Emily and Rory. He is a troubled kid and although that should not excuse his behavior, I don't believe he was really taught good manners. Again, he was very rude and should have been more kind, especially if he really does love Rory. The problem I had with this was that Dean broke it off with Rory because of the whole "he doesn't fit in", and it almost felt repetitive that Jess kind of did the same thing with Rory's extended family (Emily). Now, for the "running off to New York thing", I respectfully disagree a bit. I don't remember the exact episode, but there is a moment with Rory and Logan where Logan spontaneously asks Rory to go to New York with him. It might be the episode before Jess shows up and presents his book he wrote to Rory. Rory does say yes though with Logan when he wants to "run off" with her for a moment. I think Jess does know Rory, and his priority was to bring the spontaneity to Rory's life, although I think she was overwhelmed in that moment. He knows Rory well enough to know she is a great writer and that she needs to write about what she is passionate about (her mother and her), via the reboot. I do love though that Jess had such a wonderful character development, and I don't know entirely if he would have gotten it if he still were with Rory. I just think it was right person, but wrong timing. I believe now with the reboot, I think Jess and Rory should end up together. When Jess was supportive and concerned when Rory dropped out of college, I think he needs to be that rock for her again when she does not know where she is in her 30s. Thank you for reading :) Let me know what you think!
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i have always been team jess. till s4, i wan irrationally team jess, but after s6 and the revival, hes the only choice. and even though nobody asked, i always see people bring up the kyle party scene to diss on jess. i have to be honest, i hated him in that scene and it was so out of character, not something jess would ever do. and this is my actual thought about that scene. i will make this very clear. jess was completely in the wrong here. but, terming it as 'sexual assault' isn't exactly right either cuz there's a lot of gray area here and the situation is highly complicated. here's why. firstly: two episodes before this, we see rory talking to lorelai about how she wants her first time to be with jess, so it wasn't like she didn't want to have sex with jess, she just didn't want to do it at that party and u can see that after she pushes and jess gets off she says 'not here. not now.' She didn't ask 'why did u do it?' She said this wasn't the right time and i completely agree with her. jess should have stopped at the first 'wait'. Secondly: u can see jess never had any prior thoughts of having sex with her that evening at all, his thoughts were elsewhere and he wasn't trying to take advantage of her, it was a hasty decision that he made. and technically he didn't force himself on her. they both started kissing each other and rory got down on the bed by her own and jess saw it as a hint to go forward and started to try to unzip her pants but as soon as she said 'wait' he should have stopped. I say it again, he should have stopped. thirdly: i'm not that sure abt this point cuz im not mature or experienced enough but i've seen some people say that rory didn't clearly say 'no'. she said 'jess, wait' and the way she called out his name, it could be seen as a miscommunication in intimacy where jess took it as a sign for her wanting him to continue. i don't know how much of it is true and it's not my opinion at all but i can see why people say that. again 'wait' means 'wait'. he should've stopped for a second and at least asked her why. Fourthly: even after this incident, rory talks to lorelai in the car and she says nothing abt jess suddenly wanting to have sex that last night, she only tells her about how he won't open up at all. If she was truly uncomfortable abt jess wanting to have sex with her, she would've told lorelai or at least we would have seen her being affected by that. rory doesnt seem as affected by the fact that jess wanted her to have sex as much as she is affected by the fact that jess never communicates properly. this is because she wanted to have sex with him too but not at kyle's party. thats the difference and jess shouldve completely respected her decision. The above statements were not made to defend jess at all and i wanna be clear that this is not me justifying him or minimizing his actions. all these above statements were made only to explain the grayness of the situation and how the case isn't as black and white to simply term it as 'assault'. again, it was totally jess's fault and he was obviously going through a lot but that can't be used as a justification here. i can also see that as soon as he yells at her he realizes it was a mistake and says "you didn't do anything" and it is clear he would have apologized to rory if dean hadn't meddled. now about dean. yall are praising him for being like a knight in shining armour or something, i don't get it. he wasn't wrong to ask rory what happened when he saw her coming out of the room crying. but he was so wrong to start a fight with jess when he had no clue what had happened. It doesn't matter jess deserved it or not. dean is not her bf anymore. he didn't know anything abt what happened and he just took advantage of this situation to get back at jess. this was clearly a problem between rory and jess and they could've talked it out if dean didn't come in. like when dean broke up with rory in public, jess didn't start beating up dean for humiliating rory in public cuz he knew it was a problem between them both and they were to sort it out. Imagine that in s6, when rory tells jess that logan cheated on her, if jess had gone up and beaten logan for it, it would've been completely inappropriate cuz jess wasnt her bf at that time and he would have no right to meddle in like that. and dean here although was right to inquire abt rorys well being was a jerk for starting the fight with jess. And jess was messed up for behaving to rory like that. finally, if jess's whole point was just to have sex, soon after this incident, he would have just gone to some other girl to do it with. but, he never did. even after 15 years, he never moved on to another woman. he clearly loved her immensely more so than any of her other bfs. This night at kyle's party, he only looked for comfort in rory and thought he could forget abt his problems for a while by having sex with rory. But, he was wrong. He should have talked to her, he should have communicated openly. this was his lowest point and his behaviour can't be justified. but, he didnt have bad intentions all along, it all was just a result of bad and hasty decison making.
One thing I didn’t like about the whole Dean hating Jess was the fact that Rory was friends with him and wanted Dean to get along with him but he said nope fine with the hating him. Like please get over yourself he’s a troublesome kid but make an effort in trusting your girlfriend, especially when she says nothing was wrong. Since Jess came to Stars Hallow Rory was trying constantly to not have a fight with Dean. One example being when Rory Jess and Paris are at her house eating and then Dean stops by she pushes Jess out because she would rather not have fight with him about it. Dean was always the macho man like this is mine don’t step into my territory with Tristan and Jess. Jess I understand because Rory was a little more nice to him than she was to Tristan but Dean still got into a fight with Rory over Tristan being in a school project. I don’t like the fact that she had to constantly defend herself as to not cause a fight with him.
As a mom of 3 I can say fatigue is a major sign if pregnancy. I think that was the writer's wink and nod to her already being pregnant. When she fell asleep during her interview in New York. She was already pregnant when she went to funky town with the wookie
Interesting! That’s makes sense! Yeah I feel like 0% chance of wookie then!
Always and forever Team Jess♥️♥️🤗
Yeah I think team Jess wins out in the end, including the reboot! In my opinion anyways!
Are you not forgetting the fact that Jess attemped SA on Rory? Or that he just left without as much as a word? Or that he dropped out of school without telling anyone?
So while Jess had huge growth (good for him) it still does not excuse any of his actions
I obviously don't think any of those are good character traits, or positives at all!! I do think people can mature and grow though, so in that way, like you said, good for him!
Dean was sweet for a first boyfriend but he became way too possessive as their relationship went on. Not to say Rory didn’t play into by lying to herself and Dean about her real feelings but still.
I feel like Jess had a lot potential and compatibility with Rory but he was not at all mature enough or ready for a relationship and it was pretty toxic to start how he was constantly circling around her while she was in a relationship.
In the end, I stand by Logan being the best guy for Rory. She allowed herself to relax and breathe around him and he grew and matured with her. He was also pretty unpretentious outside of his slacker rich friends. Like when he was generous with his money it came from a genuine place and not to brag. I particularly liked the weekend at Martha’s Vineyard where he without question and without holding it over him gave Luke a necklace to Luke to give to Lorelei. Literally didn’t Eve bring it up again.
Yes Jess is of course more like Luke, and Logan and Chris come from the same kind of background but what the represent in Rory's life is the opposite. Hear me out...Loralai and Chris grew up together he KNOWS her, how to pull the strings, what to say to comfort her and remind her who she is. Like Jess does for Rory. Where as Luke is more aligned with who she became, he fits into the life she built for herself. Logan and Rory had that possibility of a shared future. Also Logan was attempting to do what Loralai did by leaving the family money behind and forging her own path Logan's way was a little healthier and definitely easier with his trust fund and his Dad's willingness to help him dig his way out. It's a shame the original writers didn't get to end it the way they wanted and had to try to make their original plan fit so many years later
Totally agreed! I wish we had seen Logan's growth in the original series equal a better outcome for his future or for the future he had with Rory. It felt to me totally out of her character to just deny his proposal like that especially that like two episodes before that she was taking him back to Stars Hollow. Very odd in my opinion. Thanks for commenting!
I feel like all 3 main bfs were right for her At the time but Logan was the best because although he didn’t always bring the best out of her can you see her together with dean or Jess? As an adult I mean. Like you see my point?
Honestly, at the end of the show I could have seen her with logan, now.....none of them really
100% of Jess’s character development comes offscreen so I don’t think it’s ever fair to say Rory doesn’t “deserve” him. His story isn’t earned, but you could say that’s Rory’s perception of the situation since it’s pretty much her perspective we get the show from.
season 2 and 3 are the best for me.
I love 2-5 the others I like as well, but yeah I agree 2 and 3 are such great seasons!!!
I think you should remember that the creator of the show didn't have anything to with the last season of the show and the revival has alot of what she planned to have in her version of season 7. I stopped watching at season 6 so I was never team Logan and the revival made a lot more sense to me because the only part of season 7 I'd seen was the series finale
Yeah I agree with that, but when we first watched it....i guess unless you were really up to date, in the time we didn't know that Amy and Dan were no longer part of the show, so as a first time, in the moment watcher, it was so odd to see the characters making the decisions they did.
i like Logan as his own person. i was happy that he left his family in season 7. but i never wanted him to date Rory.
Team I don’t Care. Jk probably lean towards Logan but if Rory had gone the big time journalist, wealthy life route. Choosing the Stars Hollow route Jess works better. I guess that was part of the struggle. Of her deciding what Rory she wanted to be.
haha that's totally valid! Also agreed! I think depending on the path she goes, that would totally impact who she picks!
It has never made sense to me that Rory would so easily walk away from Logan. I still firmly believe that Jess was the right person for then-Rory but at the wrong time. Later on, Rory is def not good enough for Jess. But, Rory always loved Logan and I wish she’d still said no to his proposal but that she had left with him for California (is that where he went?) or, like another commenter mentioned, accepted but with a long proposal. Made no sense that Rory would walk away from Logan.
Yes totally agree! It's so funny that you commented today, because I just filmed a "Jess deserved better" type video, and at one point that is what I say too. He didn't deserve her at the beginning, and then in AYITL she didn't deserve him. Also, in AYITL Logan is in London, but maybe he went to Cali first. I don't remember either. Also, agreed! Long proposal and not all or nothing, would have been the route I would have liked to have seen! Thanks for your thoughts!
I think he went to California to start his own company. I think his father cut him off. And it makes sense he proposed to her, he wanted to jump in the unknown with her.
Probably her rejection hit him hard and probably thats why he teturned to his family in the reboot?...:/
I write off any of Logan's final season development because the original creators/writers weren't there. That was the replacement team that did that. I think the original creators always intended for Rory to parallel Lorelai and become a single mom and get her own Christopher and Luke. I don't think they decided who would fall into each role until Logan showed up. But, as soon as they have Jess come back and give the "why did you drop out of Yale" monologue, I think it was pretty cemented that he'd end up being her Luke. The Netflix revival just confirmed it for me. And I'm personally good with that implied ending.
I don't know why any of y'all consider Tristan a love interest? They kissed once, he constantly bullied her, and literally tried to fight Dean. Rory literally never once was truly invested in Tristan and it was just there to spur some conflict and drama at school. I think Jess was right person, wrong time for Rory. He was a dumb kid who was never given true direction or good examples of being a healthy student, partner, etc. Jess deserved better and he was never afraid to be straight with her. Dean was weirdly clingy and needy, not to mention watching her was a weird start anyways. I would not like a dude tell me he has been watching me. I do not appreciate his anger issues because you can honestly see the seeds of the anger issues in season 1. It's fucked up. But at the same time, Rory is just not a good character herself because she's entitled and selfish, she never fully considers other people when she does things.
Jess is the best, no competition, he very much seems like the Luke for Loreli match for Rory, if they ever do another year in the life they should absolutely be the endgame, they had the best connection in my opinion
Tristan was just meh, if he had shown up later maybe it would be different to show how he developed
I never liked Logan at all but I would actually say Dean was the worst for Rory
What was it about Logan to you didn't like towards the end of the series? I liked him towards the end, but definitely didn't like him in the reboot! Also agreed on Dean! He's the worst lol
As much as I adore jess , him and Rory were so toxic for each other but I felt so bad for him as well like he wasn't given a chance at all everyone always saw the worst of him as soon as he came even Rory did while they were in the relationship. Overall I really liked Rory and logan and I do not count their relationship in the reboot because I reject the reboot tbh
Agreed with all of that! I think people didn’t take into consideration that Jess had a very hard upbringing and they expected him to never have had any repercussions because of that. I think once he matured he ended the series very well rounded and growing, but I also think he should have had a little more grace when he was figuring it out, if that makes sense. Also for Logan I 100% agree. Logan we saw the most maturing of, and I reject AYITL too! It never happened lol, except for Emily and Jess who are the main characters I like in the reboot!
@@AVintageJoy yes! I completely agree!
Honestly I'm just team no one at this point. Out of them I liked Jess the most, as he actually grew as a person and got his sh#@ together. That's why I like him: he actually realised his potential, despite the shortcomings of his upbringing. I will agree that their relationship wasn't good, it was toxic at times, the whole bedroom scene, him leaving etc. When we see him in season 4 it shows his growth, and while the whole confession run away together thing is clumsy to say the least (and Rory was at least right not to go with him), it gives us the idea he is slowly opening up. Then season 6 he fully comes into his own, and finds his own path, actually giving Rory the lecture she needed. In AYITL he is there for Luke and his family and his job is doing solid, not amazing but well. And again he is the sane head that gives Rory a path forward. The problem? He's a 32 year old man pining after the girl from high school. And considering how far he's come... he's too god for Rory lol :P
Logan on the other hand... well he was good for her for a lot of things: he's allowed her to come out of her shell a bit, and got her to have fun on her own, find out more about herself and see the world. I think that was a major plus for him. They had fun and she was very happy with him. He was there, where Jess was not, and the happy she had with him wasn't the sweet teenage stuff she had with Dean but deeper than that. There are major issues with him however that people overlook: he wasn't willing to push against Rory and what she was doing unless it suited him. He saw her going in a downward spiral, sure warned her, but let her go down anyway, despite knowing that path wasn't for her. Now he's not her parent so he shouldn't tell her right and wrong but a wake up call from someone you love is warranted sometimes. He DID unload on her but only after he felt like she was attacking him for her life choices. He called out her privilege only after well she attacked the privileged people. He might've been right, but again for the wrong reasons. In AYITL he never went Ace: enough pull the trigger, go work at a place for a while settle down for a bit, figure things out. Oh and the whole affair. And finally the affair and what it actually shows: he'll always be in his family's shadow. Logan was raised in a very narrow minded family, with a specific path laid out for him. He complains about it, rightfully so, he fights with them, but in the end he'll always choose them. The proposal never rang true to me, it felt like a last rebellion before settling down in his role as the heir apparent. He's not choosing Odette over Rory, he's choosing his family's path over Rory. It's not that he's a coward or anything like that it's just... he doesn't know or see other paths in front of him.
The reality is Jess and Rory met at a wrong point for both of them. He was the toxic one in their relationship, it was logical for. them to break up. His growth as a person, and where he ends up is why people like him with Rory, heck why I like him as a character. But had he not met Rory, went to Stars Hollow, lived with Luke, would've Jess grown up the way he did? Probably not. So for him moving on was always the best option. On the other hand Logan never pushed back against Rory's bad qualities, unless it suited him. And he was never going to truly commit to her for the long term, due to the environment he was born into. That's the reality there.
So honestly Rory should just be single or meet someone new.
Ooh, thats actually really good comment.
As much as i like Logan, i mostly agree with your take. Though i wanted for him to grow in a way that he chooses his own path and not allowing his family to dictate his life choices. But writers in a reboot want Logan to choose his family vision of his life, which is sad. And probably he always will choose them over Rory. In that case sure Rory should not settle with him.
But regarding the relationships....to be honest im not sure your partner has to parent you. Yes its nice, but its not their job. I mean its noones job but yourself. Rory made her decisions and i think she needed to fall down hard in order to learn and see the reality. Often ppl can tell you lots of right things. But if you didnt ask them to, or you hear it but not ready to accept the truth and reconsider your own choices, so is it actually smth that define what good partner is? Im not sure. Maybe its different for other ppl, but i wouldnt put that much responsibility on Logan just because he accepted Rorys choices as of a grown person and didnt call her out in right time. When she started to blame him for her choices, he told her the truth.
is your outfit an intentional parallel to Loralie's wardrobe? love it
Yes! Good eyes! I'm so glad you caught that!
Im team jess. Tho i only watched until season 4 so i cant say much about logan since i didnt see that much of him. Honestly jess was kind of a jerk for the most part but i felt like they had something.... Or maybe i just want jess for myself because he's awesome and i love him and i just wanna vicariously live through rory😂
Ohhhh wow snap! I would be interested to see what you think after watching through season 7! I do love some Milo though!
This is my favourite comment on Jess honestly 😅 I think people like him despite the way he acts😅
I will always be Team Jess because he had the best storyline out of all the guys, he had a storyline OUTSIDE OF RORY, I never got to see that with Logan, Tristan, or Dean. I just prefer Jess as a character, personally I think Rory and Jess had the cutest moments, I like Logan for Rory, they definitely deserve each other, I just LOVE Jess as a character. About the swan thing…I see it as Rory already thought the worst about how he got the black eye, thinking he fought with Dean and Jess didn’t bother telling her the truth because he’s thinking “if she thinks that low of me, she’ll think I’m lying about the swan” but I haven’t seen that episode in a year or two so that scene is probably fuzzy
I was team Jess… but I think Logan would have been good for Rory and she should have accepted his proposal.. it could have just worked out
I totally agree! I'm team logan at the end of the series, team jess including the reboot!! I think she should have accepted the proposal too!
Rory spent her high school and Yale years having a bunch of boys competing to be her boyfriend. How many students get that? None of them were best for Rory. None of them have taken basic "Being someone's boyfriend 101." Rory was not a good girlfriend either, but nothing could be expected. Ladies, how many of you had a bunch of boys to choose from competing to be your boyfriend? Or having a bunch of friends on Team Guy A and Team Guy B?
Rory cheated with Jess physically as well when she kissed him while being in a relationship with Dean. So not just emotionally. I think Dean will react so angry due to rory's gaslighting and ambivalence in her feelings and him being immature.
i am not sure what they were trying to do with tristan. rory never liked him but she felt bad for him when summer broke up with him, and then she randomly liked him when he got sent to military school. i guess maybe they had to skip over some points because the actor was leaving the show.
Yeah I think so too. I feel like if we had seen him for longer then we would have gotten more blanks filled in, but his short time on the show really was more confusing then helpful really.
I’m also Team Jess. Also, Jess is the only one that Rory never cheated on which is interesting. I would’ve been okay with Logan too if it weren’t for the reboot! In my opinion, regarding the Reboot, I think the writers tried way too hard to parallel Logan and Christopher and it’s just not the same. Logan was far better than Christopher because they actually did have a real relationship and I think they could both be in love and together. It seems like he would break up with his fiancé if he found out she was pregnant. Maybe not 🤷🏼♀️ but if they were trying to make him like Christopher, I don’t think they succeeded in my opinion.
I. M team Logan Jess was okay and I'm glad he gave her the kick in the but she needed to go back to school but I think he is to much of a drifter. I think Logan and Rory would have kept each other grounded.
I'm team Logan in the original series! I think we saw him mature and they were a good fit! I'm team Jess in the reboot, because boo logan lol. But I do agree, Jess is a bit of a drifter for sure!
Jess got good character development and became a surrogate for the audience. Rory got a lot of criticism for her sex with Dean while he was married. She had sex with him because the writers and actors were tired of her being too Goody Two Shoes. This was not really a good reason to get mad at Rory. Lorelai got mad at her for having sex with Married Dean, and she directed the audience to do the same. This was fully consensual sex between adults who were not expecting to be walked in on by Lorelai. It was not much to get mad at Rory about. Her judgment was not worse than most 19-20 year olds. Rory's downfall came much later when Mitchum Huntsberger hurt her feelings.
Thinking you're still in a relationship after ignoring Logan for 2 weeks is crazy. Rory thinking there was a future after she publicly rejected Logan's proposal is Very lorelai and reminded me of how Lorelai mistreated Max Medina.
I just hate that Rory never grew as a character, but all of her guys did.
Wow! That last sentence is so so true! Literally the most disappointing aspect of Rory for me is how all of the guys she dated grew as people, but she didn't really! If anything I almost feel like she went backwards. It's like season 1 rory knew what she wanted, and then by the reboot she was acting like a confused 16 year old. Also, agreed about the publicly rejecting, totally agree! you can't just go back and pretend like nothing happened after that.
I think it was more than 2 weeks 😅
I totally agree. She didnt even try later to reach out to him.
Sorry, but Logan did make some effort, Rory was playing unreachable for some time. And then she gets so angry, when he thinks they have broken up, that she keeps silent treating him and then messing with Jess....omg.
GOSH I dont like Rory here at all.
Its so true all three guys overgrew her. I wish they all moved on from her and she stayed alone, lost and frustrated with who she was, without job petspectives and pregnant from ons. Then maybe she would go to therapy and bring her life together and grow up. At last!!
I’m always team Jess & I think they are right for each other but just wrong time
That’s a great way to put that! Right people but wrong timing!!!
LOL og true gilmore girls fans aren’t TEAM Jess, Logan or Dean -
They are team none of Rory’s boyfriends because they are all trash 😂
Only Team DAVE ✨👏😂💕
I love Dave!!! Did you know that the actual person Lane is based on, in real life, married Dave Rygalski! So crazy! I feel like they were going to have the characters get married, but then Adam got a new show!
@@AVintageJoy haha of course 😂 I’ve known that for a while/since I first started watching the show
@@zgirlbrooks101 How was I so late to this information, shame on me lol
you talk about jess lying to luke (and rory) about going to school.
he was in denial about how bad it could go, that he could fail his classes. he didn't want to deal with how rory would react, he felt embarrassment about his school performance in comparison to rory's.
i don't blame him for lying to luke. luke never addressed him as like "hey i am here to help you, what do you need?". luke made it all like, i am in control and you must do as i command. luke positioned himself as an adversary to jess. so it makes sense that jess would lie to luke because he thinks that's the best way to get what he needs (to work at walmart, to not go to school).
i wish he'd told rory and luke the truth but i understand why he didn't. i also think luke would not have supported jess if he said he wanted to get a GED or some other alternative. but he should have! in an alternate universe, lorelai told jess about how she got a GED and she became successful as an adult, so she would help jess find his own path of success.
I totally agree that your alternate universe makes it so much better! I think luke also got no coaching or help with jess, outside of a few kinda adversarial conversations with Lorelai. He just knew his nephew needed help and he wanted to, but having a very rebellious teenager sent to you basically out of the blue, I think luke was doing all he could to help. Yes, he definitely could have said it way better and showed support more outwardly, but I would bet his father was very similar to luke in that he did support his kids, but didn't' really say it very often out loud! Thanks for commenting! Love your alternate universe! I wish that was the real storyline!
Marty!
I feel like they really ruined Dean’s character for no reason. They should have just had him go off to college early or ect. He was smart in the beginning but then they tried to dumb him down. Also he was never going to “kill Tristan” he said that because he’s physically bigger than Tristan and wouldn’t even be a fair fight. I love the moment in the reboot, it was nice.
Yeah agreed. It feels like they super ruined Dean as a character, looking back at season one I really liked Dean. I agree that he should have gone off to college like he said or just kinda faded away not so dramatically. It really ruined his character the cheating. He should have moved on or not gotten married.
Yeah I really hated how the writer's ruined him
the creator of the show didn't make the final season and never watched it so that's why things are so different in the reboot with a lot of these characters. In her mind the show was always going to end with those last four words, spoilers for everyone who hasn't watched but "mom?" "Yes" "I'm pregnant" and then fade to black was how the creator imagined ending the show having Rory and Lorelei ultimately having the same life at the end. While I understand I don't think that fully represents the show they ended up making and even with what ever they ended up doing in a different final season I couldn't see that happening.
I think you’re totally right!! Having that being the last 4 words felt almost not right by the time we got there, because the characters I’m sure were so different than sue had originally thought they would be and ended up in different spots because of them taking different paths! I think you’re totally right. That’s so hard because maybe it’s just a case of, “I have these great last four words”, but by the time we get there the characters are so different! Thanks for your thoughts!!
Original intentions of the writers didnt serve the character development in the end.
In my eyes its a bit frustrating and thats what ruined the show for me.
I may not agree with writers all the time but at your story should make sense.
With GG it didnt feel right in the end for me.
I think iys really important for writer to know where to stop, adjust or listen to your characters..... where they go with story or what is possible considering their growth and path in the created story, because in some point your characters will grow out your imaginatio and start to live their own life. So its important to listen to them and find the best written path that us believable.
dean wasn't in the revival. it was sam :P
Lol so true!! His hair especially was very Sam!!
I'm going to separate my comment into threes and have one per boyfriend. Dean is the one who seems the least genuine and by that I mean, he was more interested in getting others to like him by superficial means and thus is never doing anything because he wants to do it or it is what he like to do but usually to ingratiate himself to others.
For example, Dean spends as much time with Lorelai as he does Rory but not out of real interest in their weird movies or because Dean likes to do the housework as a sixteen year old guy. It's not hard to understand why Lorelai is Team Dean because out of a desperate need for approval, he is willing to "date" Rory with Lorelai literally sitting right next to them because they're almost always in Lorelai's living room plus if Dean isn't around then Lorelai would have to hire and pay people to do manual house labor.
I think the real Dean shows himself when he snaps and gets possessive like he own Rory and another guy better not dare to look at her. Tristan's joke about how he'd kiss her if he didn't think Dean would punch him or kill him, something like that, is not an endearing quirk of Dean's the way Rory takes it but a huge red flag.
The episode when Rory turns herself into Donna Reed because it turns out the real Dean is less into quirky non conformists like a single mom at sixteen raising a daughter on her own and more into the notion of a wife that will vow to love, honor, and obey him by never having a hair out of place or always having dinner at the table when he gets home which should have been the end of Rory and Dean right then and there because they clearly wanted different things out of life.
Yeah I would say dean is a people pleaser for sure! My biggest ick factor with dean, besides the obvious cheating being the worst part, is his snapping too. It's so unsettling to see him go from a level 2 to a level like 9 out of nowhere almost! Huge red flag! I'm excited to read your other comments!!!
I think writets wanted to show full circle of inter-generational trauma.
But i dont know if it works. Rory is pregnant at 32, with loving mother, stepfather, granma on her side and Logan (it's obvious hes the father) who is clearly in love with her and wants to be with her. So wheres the tragedy? And in what way logan is her christopher?
Unless Rory doesnt want kids and marriege, and chooses abortion..but thats another plot line, which we didnt see anyway.
I understand the original idea for Rory from Amy and Den. Like no matter what Rory chooses in life and what she is, she's still her mothers daughter, who repeates the same scenario. Well it could work if she is pregnant right after graduation at 22. But then again, she at least has college degree and a guy who wanted to marry her. Its still not the same as pregnant at 16 with toxic parents and spineless losy bf. So having said that, i feel the original idea of ASP for Rory doesnt serve the character anymore.
the weird dancing thing in the revival was a weird out of nowhere tribute to Julie Taymor's Across The Universe......Which, I love that movie too, but HUH????????????? Idk, it didn't evoke any warm fuzzies or happiness from me, I was just bored/rolling my eyes.
😬😬😬 same!!! Made me feel uncomfy !!
I think she was at her best in a relationship with Logan but i do think that she loved Jess the most out of the 3
also once again if youre paying attention to the dates in the main show rory and logan had not spoken for a full month before he starts seeing other people😭 justice for logan you cant just not speak (without communicating) for a MONTH without thinking thar youre broken up
I would say that out of all of Rory's significant others I personally liked season one Dean the best. I felt like he provided Rory with the most stable relationship, at least up until his insecurities started to show themselves.
For me I had a hard time liking Jess when he first entered the picture. At the start his pursuit of Rory seemed to be just as much about using her to upset Dean as it was about him actually liking her, and while he clearly developed real feelings for her pretty fast, he lost me when he tried to force himself on her at the house party. I can definitely agree that he and Rory had much more in common, but the brooding, snarky personality, as well as the fact that he constantly lied and was pretty rude to just about everyone, really made me dislike him.
As for Dean's development, I completely agree with everything you said. I can understand some of the mistakes he made, and I can appreciate him giving up college in order to try to make his marriage work, but he really should never have gotten married in the first place if his feelings were for someone else. I really felt that him and Rory worked better as friends at this point, and once he cheated on Lindsay, I really didn't like who either of them had become in that relationship.
Tristan really just felt like he was a plot device who existed solely to create drama between Rory and Dean than a fully fledged character.
I don't have much to say about Logan, as I completely agree with you. His character progression just ended up stagnant, maybe even with some backsliding in "A Year in the Life", whereas both Dean and especially Jess ended up in a much better place.
I first started warming up to Jess with the episode where he goes to visit/stay with his father, and by the time Luke and Rory sees him at his publishing house in Philadelphia I liked him a lot more. Once we saw him again in "A Year in the Life" it's clear he has his life together and is in a good place. I could also say the same for Dean, who felt like he'd finally been able to let Rory go, leaving him out of the picture.
I agree with you on that! Dean season one was my favorite overall too! I wish we had seem him mature more, and maybe even learn some hard lessons about insecurities like you said, but at the end mature. I'm glad we kinda got a little bit of closure in AYITL, but I wish we had gotten to see that instead of losing him for like 5 years and coming back and he's all good. Also agreed on Jess. I really was not a fan of his at the beginning, and I totally forgot about that scene! Totally not ok!
I agree with you on many aspects throughout this video. I am not such a fan of dean, I am team jess throughout the seasons and on the reboot , definitely! but I am also team Logan, I feel that he deserved better at the end. His character development was great and she should have said yes, although I wasn't so happy about the ultimatum, I understood his reasons. Then there's the reboot that ruined his whole character development and made him a cheater with Rory who is also a cheater, poor Paul!?😢 But then jess just got better and better in the reboot, which was great so at the end I kinda hoped he would become Rory's Luke! that would be great, but then again there's those famous last four words that leave a real definite possibility of Logan being her baby daddy!?🤔
I totally agree! I think it is sad that we saw so much growth from Logan throughout the series just to see him fall so far down the rabbit hole in the reboot. I wish she had said yes too, we didn't even have to see them get married obviously, we could have just seen them learn and growth through their engaged season or something, but yeah that's something about AYITL that really bugs me, also I think he's the baby daddy. But idk
@@AVintageJoy I mean it would only make sense, unless she secretly hooked up with anybody else😂😂 so many theories lol. But yeah if they ever make a season 2 of the AYITL, hopefully they add a character development of Logan and Rory. Rewatching her and Jess right now lol 😆
@@lovelyarts5307 Agreed!!! Aw yay!! I've been selectively rewatching the fall episodes 😂
@@AVintageJoy ahh I like those too especially the thanksgiving episode in season 3 I watched that one yesterday lol!!!
I love Logan. He was my favorite, but I wouldn't put Rory with him nor any of her old boyfriends. I think she needs a new man in her life. One that won't put up with her snobby entitled behavior. Jess is somewhat like that, but she doesn't love him. If she did, she would be with him. If she truly loved any of them, she would be with them. So, she needs someone new that she can finally truly love. Someone she won't push aside or mistreat. They really need to make another movie where they have her character grow into a decent person.
Sometimes the movie with Zachary Levi and her I pretend is her real ending 😂😂. I agree that she needs someone new and a better fit for her overall! Thanks for your thoughts! And if you haven’t seen that movie, it’s a little cheesy, but good!
I was so disappointed that Rory didn’t accept Logan’s proposal. After enduring a long distance relationship and fighting hard to maintain it, forgiving his behaviors, only to not be able to commit and also still work toward her goal of being a journalist, let’s be honest, she could to that anywhere in the world. The real let down was she ultimately settled for being his “side chick” and disrespecting an engagement! did she learn nothing from the cheating with Dean!🤦🏽♀️
Totally agree! It felt like all the progress she was making in learning about relationships just got washed away. The side chick thing made me so mad too for the same reason! Like, really you’re not going to learn from doing thing already with Dean!?!? I feel like there was one last chance with AYITL to make her learn, but it didn’t happen 😭
Tristan was supposed to be Logan and he was supposed to go to college with her but he got his own show I’m team Logan or team Jess either thought I wish Chad stayed around ok that Tristan Rory got him to steal the boat and I feel bad because he is clearly trying to make her feel better
I'm team Jess always
That’s a good team!!! Good decision!
Dean and then Logan! Jess IS THEE WORST! But thing is - all of us were teenagers... You need to look at it that way because this is a show - and it's utterly unfair to do otherwise. Not to mention the way things were written, you'll also need to account for 'what went on with the writers as they wrote the various 'episodes'/'seasons.' I mean look at the Rory/Logan fiasco... And it continued into GG: YitL. As for the Dean-Tristan fiasco - projecting 'myself back then' - Ahh... Yeah! WTF Tristan! I'd be all in his face! One thing is that 'we're' trying to over analyze a written show as if the characters are 'real people.'
Yeah that's true, they're not real.. my number one I wish was real was Stars Hollow! Also I feel like I'm confused, who is your favorite? Or are you Team Rory single, which is also valid!
@@AVintageJoy I'm "Team Dean the loyal BloodHound" :) But yes! I know exactly what you mean about Stars Hollow! I am weird in that I can kind of 'transport myself' into a show/movie/video game, etc.... So it's a bit 'more real' for me... I've watched GG about 48 times or so before I stopped counting. I noticed my problem back in 1994, when I got the VHS for "Star Trek: Generations" - I watched it over, and over and over till the tape couldn't play anymore. But with GG - "Lor" has been my fav. SHH!! When ever I watch it - or see 'her' - I have this uncontrollable need to shout: "Lor!!!" :) "I'll look like the Morton Salt Girl" is one of my fav lines lol Technically "I am" about Lor's age in the show lol
OMG! If there was a real Stars Hollow - a lot of people would move there and in the process 'we would' break it apart... Sad :(
@@Lord_Legolas_Greenleaf Love Lorelai! She's my favorite too, outside of the town! I love that you put yourself into the shows and movies you watch! I think the best art allows us to do that! Love it!
@@Lord_Legolas_Greenleaf Aw yeah, maybe....we'll just keep the secret safe with the two of us 🤣. They'll never know!
I watch the revival through my reruns, but never the town musical episode. Wtf was that??
Literally no idea! It felt very forced to me! I never watch it either, honestly I don’t even like watching AYITL when I do a watch through either :/
Thanks for the video!
I agree about Jess. He was the funnest to watch, and he was the underdog to root for. So from a pure tv watcher viewpoint I like Jess the best. If you’re talking about who is best for Rory.. I’m not sure she has something to give in a relationship at this point in her life (even if you pretend the Netflix series didn’t happen)
i honestly have never understood why they wanted to give rory a similar path to lorelai bcuz it just never made sense for her story
Agreed! Lorelai even has that conversation with Mrs. Kim where they both say they want Rory to have a different path than Lorelai. Idk feels odd to me too! Thanks for your thoughts!!
MARTY!! She should have dated and married Marty. He was the best guy in her life in my opinion 😊
Aw yeah I really liked Marty when we first met him! Idk about him after the whole Lucy thing idk felt weird to me after that.
Paul and Tristin definitely don't count, at all! They are the worst.
In my opinion, Jess was the best boyfriend, I don't cheer for Rory and Logan because they are basically a reflection of Lorelai and Christopher, and they didn't end up together, this could be the same destiny for Rory and Logan, they're relationship is basically the same as Rory's parents. Jess will still be the best option, even though Lorelai and Luke got married, but, I don't care.
Yeah I don't think Tristin and Paul really count either, but I do feel bad for Paul, he deserves better! I was rooting for Logan until the reboot, and then all the character development really just went down to tubes for me. Also yea I agree that Jess is the best including AYITL, but idk about the like step cousins thing lol
@@AVintageJoy I really don't care if that makes them cousins or not, but in the reboot, it seems that Jess is still in love with Rory, after all these years.
@@alessandralane True! you can for sure see that!
I’ve actually gotten a fairly asexual vibe from Rory’s character or maybe not asexual per say, but like she never seems super invested in her partners. I really don’t think making her pregnant was a good move either. She never once showed signs or being particularly maternal. It’s really unfortunate the reboot could not have had Rory in a successful job, thriving, and dating people in her respective hemisphere as a 32 year ild professional. Mega weird for her to even be hung up on any high school or college boyfriends. Really shows a delayed emotional state.
Yeah I feel it does show a delayed emotional state. I think she did like her boyfriends, but I do for sure think it shows immaturity on her part to still be so focused on boyfriends from years past that we don't even know who the father is!
team logan fs
Im team Jess, but at the end he was WAY TOO MUCH for rory
Too much in a good way or in a bad way?
@@AVintageJoy in a good way, his development was amazing, coming from a broken home to fulfilling his career goals, rory is now a complete mess, at this point, jess deserves better..
Beautiful 💗💗
Thank you!
This cheating plot line with Logan in reboot doesnt make sense after os.!!
It seems ASP wanted Logan to be shitty rich cheater without progression and ability to learn.
So he actually regressed in 10 years, following his family life path that in os he didnt want and is engaged to someone hes clearly not in love with. Then he supports Rory's choice to be involved in that vegas thing and keep it as a secret...
Like why on earth to do it if in os he did already matured and wanted "all in" with Rory? Like he didnt see any point to be with Rory 'in some way' if he cant be with her fully?...
It just feels so not Logan.
Abd that life and death brigade episode and dances...what was it even???????😂
I never liked logan because he reminded me so much of Christopher to me I was really glad that rory ended things with him in the finale 😡🤬
Yeah I liked him in the series, but the reboot Logan is a no go for me. I didn't like logan when we first meet him, but I think we do see him mature over time, but also I don't like how it feels like his character is just thrown off a cliff in the reboot and he's right back, maybe even farther back , than when we first meet him.
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I also like Jess as a character and how he matured and found his goals in life. But knowing his and Rory's messy history, and plus now they kind of related (🫠🥴) i dont think its healthy for them to recindle romantic relationship. I think in reality Jess would move on after that episode in Philly!!! Why would he pine for a girl for 10 years, who used him as a revenge thing? Jess already knew that he deserved better. So following the development arch of Jess, it just makes no sense that he would want to be with her in 10 years...like i just dont buy it, sorry.
I like their spiritual connection and it would be titally ok if they meet from time to time to motivate each other on writing books, as friends. But as a couple they dont work anymore. I just dont understand why they even should.